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Chinese Politburo: "The United States Has Turned Out To Be The Biggest Villain In Our Age"

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You know the U.S. has hit rock bottom not so much when the official mouthpiece of the Chinese politburo accuses America of being the "biggest villain in our age", but when more and more Americans think it may be 100% correct.

From BBC:

China's official Xinhua news agency has condemned the US over continuing revelations about Washington's surveillance activities by intelligence fugitive Edward Snowden.

In a commentary, it said the US had turned out to be the "biggest villain in our age".

Xinhua says the latest allegations in the South China Morning Post, along with previous disclosures, are "clearly troubling signs".

"They demonstrate that the United States, which has long been trying to play innocent as a victim of cyber-attacks, has turned out to be the biggest villain in our age," says Xinhua.

"It owes too an explanation to China and other countries it has allegedly spied on. It has to share with the world the range, extent and intent of its clandestine hacking programs."

Xinhua says the Snowden developments provide support for China's position on cybersecurity.

"Both the United States and China, together with many other countries, are victims of hacking. For the uncharted waters of the Internet age, these countries should sit down and talk through their suspicions," says Xinhua.

"With good intentions, they can even work for the establishment of certain rules that help define and regulate Internet activities and mechanisms that can work out their differences when frictions do arise."


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Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:25 | 3686759 LetThemEatRand
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Count me among the Americans who think it is 100% correct.   I don't feel the slightest bit safer for all of the spying, and it seems clear to me that the objective has nothing whatsoever to do with safety so that kind of makes sense.  But even if I was slightly safer, I'd rather live in a free society.  

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:34 | 3686805 LawsofPhysics
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Fuck all the motherfucking paper-pushers (in every country), their labor is of no real value anyway.  Please, the inbred "elite" in China and the U.S. have been on the same page since the early 70's.  This is not about free societies, this is about everyone working for Chinese wages, period, hedge accordingly.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:34 | 3686826 Pladizow
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So, the Axis of Evil can pivot!

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:39 | 3686854 Oh regional Indian
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Pot (us) carring kettre brack o  bama.


Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:40 | 3686862 Spirit Of Truth
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Of course the Communist world vilifies America before destroying U.S.  Tis the plan...

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:46 | 3686889 Rusticus
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Like all Spirits, yours is only in your head.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:50 | 3686902 The Navigator
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The irony of it is that (thru taxes) we are funding our own demise. How fucking stupid is that.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 12:03 | 3687302 BoNeSxxx
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+1 for proper use of 'irony'

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 12:28 | 3687402 Anonymous peon
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Yes, but tragedy would have worked just as well.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:51 | 3686905 kralizec
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There is a grain of truth there...there are NO "innocent" governments...Communist, Socialist, Crony-Corporatist/Socialist/Quasi-Democratic Hybrids...whatever...there is no difference in the end...pot/kettle?...sure, so what?  They all look to enslave, manipulate and control.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:58 | 3686943 falak pema
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you know any "innocent" anarchies living without rule of law?

We have left that garden of eden way back then, if we were ever in it! 

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:50 | 3687237 fourchan
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pretty ungreatful, to a country that gave them all our jobs, and made their leaders rich for enslaving their own people.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 12:02 | 3687301 kralizec
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The laws of man are fungible.  What is left of the Founders original creation in America?  Very little if any.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 14:46 | 3688136 imapopulistnow
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I used to think that those who constantly preached the Constitution were a bit wacko.  Now, not so much...

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 16:16 | 3688496 RaceToTheBottom
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In Seattle, the anarchists drive Daddies BMW

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 18:13 | 3688855 NidStyles
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Anarchy doesn't mean without Rule of Law chief. It means without hierarchical leadership.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 12:33 | 3687426 Anonymous peon
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More than a grain, every government is doing it, and to the greatest extent that they are capable.

I have no problem with our government trying to keep track of what the Chinese government is up to. I just don't think they need to record every breath I take to do it.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:21 | 3687068 Fox-Scully
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Or the bottle!

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:56 | 3686934 falak pema
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the oligarchy world of america seems to be doing a better job at it right now than any communist country has been able to do in the past, present and probably would do in the future. 

The plan to outplan any Gosplan traffic jam without jam or toast is being used by those who have always said : what plan? 

Like Moody and S& P have always said : what regulatory scam?

Like Dimon and the Squid have always said : what derivative hole, what HFT black pool, what lIbor cartel?

Like the FED have always said : what monetary overdrive in our bee hive?

Like the Supreme court has said : what hanging chad? is that our bad?

Like the foreclosure courts have said : what false foreclosure raps concocted  by those TBTF claptraps?

Need I add more to the wonderful score of free markets on the roar?


Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:13 | 3687034 prains
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yes it's a crime-free market /s

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 13:51 | 3687849 Anusocracy
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What free markets?

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:47 | 3686894 OutLookingIn
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How the mighty have fallen.

Fleeing the US of A? To escape despotism and lack of freedom?

"They hate us for our freedom and liberty." I don't think so!

When people fear their government, you have tyranny and dictators.

When government fear the people, you have freedom and democracy.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 13:05 | 3687573 Colonel Klink
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Need to remove the "and democracy" part, we are a republic.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 14:37 | 3688081 V in PA
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You need to re-read the 17th Amendment. We are Constitutionally a Democracy since May 31, 1913.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 13:32 | 3687735 buyingsterling
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They hate us for our freedom and liberty.


If that were ever true, it can't be true now. If the object of terrorists was to destroy our liberties, they won (even if they had little to do with it).

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:53 | 3686917 Satan
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Fuck that made me belly laugh

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:41 | 3686868 Fish Gone Bad
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The US is the biggest, baddest dog in the fight.  It has been that way for a long time.  The US military is larger than all other countries combined.  What exactly do you think they have (not) been doing?  Oh like anyone really thinks the US is trying to make friends on Facebook.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 12:14 | 3687343 JimBowie1958
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The US has the biggest defense budget, but that doesnt equal more boots on the ground, more aircraft, more tanks, etc.

We have neglected our military reserve system and now PRoC and Iran have larger numbers of troops available than the US. I think the Russians still have more tanks and APCs, though most of them are designed in the 50s and 60s.

But there are a great many situations where their quantity  has a quality all its own and counters our expensive technologically superior military.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 18:42 | 3688936 Parrotile
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How much US hardware was also designed in the 50s and 60s??

Russian design has always been pretty good, and they are just as capable of design upgrades to existing hardware as anyone else.

Their capital kit "may" have been designed in the 60's - 70's (in reality), but you better believe it'll be fitted with C21st technology where that technology matters.

And in any conflict that will be what counts, won't it.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 13:22 | 3687663 caconhma
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Russia has plans to bomb Qatar and Saudi Arabia



A high-ranking official in the Russian Air Force said that Russia has plans to bomb the Gulf monarchies specifically Qatar and Saudi Arabia.


"It is absolutely no secret these plans were developed back in the SOVIET UNION. Since then, these plans were somewhat changed replacing the landing in friendly at that time Iraq by an air refueling over the Caspian Sea," the officer said.


He noted that such mission will be performed using Su-27 and Su-34 bombers with additional fuel tanks accompanied by a Su-27 escort.


"Today the situation is such that even if the Su-34 will be capable of reaching Iranian airspace on its return flight and to land right there" – he added – "Su-27 combat radius allows to fly to the capitals of these monarchies and back but Su-34 combat radius is less."


Replying to the questions why and when such plans were developed, the officer replied: "Saudi Arabia is the key ally of the United States in the region. Many believe that the Saudi regime is willing to get involved in whatever their American masters pleased. Naturally, the USSR prepared plans for the destruction of this regime since without it Saudi Arabia will cease to exist as a single State and Washington will face hordes of barbarians who will destroy American bases using American supplied weaponry ".


The source also reported that the air operation to destroy these ruling monarchies will last less than 24 hours.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 13:33 | 3687738 stock trout
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And I'm sure the US has contingency plans to bomb Canada and Lichtenstein. That's what militaries do. Also "high ranking officials" like to brag about such things after a few beers. 

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 15:16 | 3688240 Mugatu
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Yes the Americans are spying, but Google and Facebook allowing the US access to their data is not technically hacking since they gave the US permission to do so.  Now, I am not so naive to think that the US does not hack into computers, but technically the giant information gobbling machine making news is not hacking - its information harvesting.

Having a military unit that just hacks into American companies without their permission is hacking and the Chinese know all about that.  

In addition, did all these people who put pictures and content on Facebook, Linkedin, Google think nobody was going to take this information and use it for other purposes?  If they did, they were the stupid ones.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:09 | 3687010 HelluvaEngineer
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Exactly.  In a society that values people, we would be dedicating our capital and resources to reducing the amount of hours humans work while simultaneously increasing their standard of living through automation and mechanisation.  Instead we have allowed a very few families to get absurdly wealthy and powerful.



Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:26 | 3687064 Real Estate Geek
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Yes, for the children! And it sounds like a job for centrally-controlled bureaucracies.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:27 | 3687099 HelluvaEngineer
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I'm not saying that everyone should get the same "stuff". Far from it. My point is that at the ultimate logical extension of our society, where everything is automated and handled by robots, there will be very little work left to do!  This is the natural progression of technology, which I argue we are intentionally disrupting.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 12:00 | 3687293 Widowmaker
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Nice try.  The "society" you reference is only interested in false capital. 

The only time humans are valued is to monetize them, too.

Decency has nothing to do with markets, nor a society addicted to those that are broken in good faith.

History is laughing.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 15:53 | 3688406 Shizzmoney
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The Chinese better be careful.  After all, they are the slaves to the AMerican Capitalist system.  The minute the corporations find another "less dirty shirt" when it comes to cheap labor....they'll bolt. 

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 18:46 | 3688953 Parrotile
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There aren't many "Cheap but skilled" labour countries around these days.

Also, remember to whom the US "owes" money / asset "value" to in terms of T-Bills. I believe China is the US's major creditor, and they too are nuclear armed (with a very cosy relationship with Russia - the Russia that is certainly not a particularly great fan of the USA)

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:34 | 3686825 disabledvet
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throw the United Nations under the bus at your own peril Earthlings. "it's not like they don't have the votes"! the irony that New York City itself has torpedoed that institution as well is not lost on me either. hmmmm. "i wonder why that is." in the meantime "the bidless Treasury market" gets a "surprising bid!" as the Great Unwind turns into a full scale rout and the possibility of Mr. Market deciding "the best medicine for all is to double dip this so called recovery." still want to see QE thrown off the cliff ZHer's ? Bad news still not bad enough yet? IT'S ABOUT TO GET A LOT WORSE.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:38 | 3686847 Buckaroo Banzai
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The biggest villain of our age? Be serious. Stalin killed 30 million, Mao killed, what, 20 million? Hitler, Pol Pot, the list goes on.

The Chinese have a lot of nerve talking shit like that.

That said, this is the absolute worst government that the USA has ever had. It is truly mind-bogglingly corrupt and useless.

But to compare it to the villains of the 20th century is absurd.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:41 | 3686867 fightthepower
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How many did the USA kill in Vietnam, Iraq, Lybia, Syria, not to mention other CIA funded civil wars in countless countries. 

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:01 | 3686954 LetThemEatRand
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And we're still the only country on earth to use the Bomb, lest we forget.  I'm too lazy and busy to put up links, but a LOT of very smart people have made the case that the bomb was dropped not to end the war because it was already going to end, but to impress upon Russia that we are badasses.  The start of America World Police.   And to me the argument "hey, they are worse" is not the point anyway.  I don't want to be the lesser of evils.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:17 | 3687048 Freedom In Your...
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It made me physically sick when I finally allowed myself to look into the facts about why we dropped the bomb in Japan. All I could think about was the hypocrisy spewed to me through the education system and the fact that the govwernment I had unwittingly worshipped the past 13 years (via plegding to the flag) was evil. I now understand that this was really just one of the many expamples, but it was the example that knocked me out of fairy tale land and in a path generally directed towards reality.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:22 | 3687073 Bearwagon
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"With such power, given to us by gods hand - we cannot be wrong!"

Sound familiar?  ;-)

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:34 | 3687140 kridkrid
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Unlearning the history you've been taught is like the scene from Fight Club when he finally realizes that he was Tyler Durden all along. Here you are, minding your own business, thinking that reality is reality. When it hits you, you need to retrace all of your steps... all of the way to the very beginning.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:29 | 3687111 kridkrid
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We pushed Japan into war and we used the bomb when we didn't need to. History is written by the winners... or... History is a set of lies agreed upon. But as others are saying in this thread... it's never good vs. evil... it's always evil vs. evil when people send other people's children to war.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:52 | 3687251 FeralSerf
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Not to mention the real biggie:   The entry of America in WWI was the proximate cause of Stalin, Hitler, the spanish influenza epidemic and deaths of 100s of millions.

One should never forget the real reason Wilson entered WWI on the side of the undeserving British and Frenc:, to save the bankers (and their money) that were guilty of crimes against humanity.  The official reason, the sinking of American ships that were delivering guns and ammunition to the British and French by the Germans, was justifiable then just as it would be now.  Wilson and his war mongering pals were not demonstrating neutrality before America's entry into WWI and were a major cause of the casualities and the rise of the fascist dictatorships that led to WWII.

What Americans learned in their high school history classes are mostly  lies.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 12:55 | 3687517 kridkrid
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Bingo. Not to mention, WWI also gave the newly created Federal Reserve a reason to fund deficit spending and the newly created income tax a reason to be raised in order to fund the interest on that deficit spending. A former congressman wrote an interesting book, "Shadows of Power" in which he highlights Wilson's rise to political prominance. He may have been the first fully owned president... not the last, obviously. He sold his soul... may have even realized it after the fact.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:12 | 3688903 All Risk No Reward
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Netflix "A Film Unfinished" and "Empire in Africa."

Then consider if most of the third world has been engineered along the lines of Hitler's ghetto model - except at the nation state level so no fences are required.  Otherwise, it is hire someone to control the people and deny them resources to the point of starvation.

If true, the banksters are murdering 20-30 million people a year right in broad daylight.

Hitler couldn't dream of such a death toll.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 12:16 | 3687352 jimmytorpedo
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The Japanese tried to surrender as long as they kept the Emperor.

The US said "no way", dropped two big ones and let them keep their Emperor.

We won't talk about the millions of Germans deliberately starved in 1945.

Uncle Joe and Pol Pot were kittens.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:00 | 3686963 11b40
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"We had to destroy the village (Constitution, Bill of Rights, etc) in order to save it."


Mon, 06/24/2013 - 13:28 | 3687712 matrix2012
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but we are kind enough to leave the poppy fields untouched... let them grow and feed the world's thirst for its intoxication... :-)

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:13 | 3686968 john39
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and remind me again... who nuked two cities full of women, children and elderly.... who firebombed and incinerated civilian cities like Tokyo and Dresden knowing full well that millions of innocent civilians would be killed?  oh yeah, the bastion of freedom and justice...

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 12:46 | 3687467 Cathartes Aura
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who, even now, spreads depleted uranium across nationstates, a guaranteed genocidal "hedge" against future inhabitants, making the coveted "resources" that much easier to harvest?

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 12:53 | 3687505 tip e. canoe
Mon, 06/24/2013 - 15:33 | 3688319 JuliaS
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Hey, buddy, we diddn bom'em for notting! We get to write history now! We get to tell how it really was! We write the goddamn truth books now! We were saving'em Jews! Spreading democracy, liberatin' and shit.

The world's forever in our debt now. Why else would we have the world reserve currency.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 16:42 | 3688577 Cathartes Aura
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of course, "writing history" is subject to being Kindle'd. . .

no need to even reach 451F when the storyline can be edited daily.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:17 | 3687049 prains
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also include Nicuragua, Somalia, Afghanistan

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:00 | 3686956 Bastiat
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IF a read that right, it was not a general statement but specific to cyber aggression.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:09 | 3687007 williambanzai7
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I suppose one should ask what is meant by our age. Because if we mean the millenial age or post Berlin Wall, they are absolutely correct.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:25 | 3687088 11b40
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Age does matter.  Ask an American Indian about it, or elderly black Americans.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:38 | 3687168 LetThemEatRand
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Or ask Burlusconi.  

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:51 | 3687242 williambanzai7
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Age is mind over matter, if you don't mind, it don't every time.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 13:06 | 3687589 Ignatius
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You gonna share that phone number?

Best recollection is 867-5309, but I need an area code....

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:13 | 3687033 lakecity55
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Re-evaluate after 100 million Americans are dead, dude, from .guv

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:14 | 3687040 tmosley
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None of those guys are from our age, unless you are just really old.

Those are from my grandfather's age.  This is no longer the 20th century.  We're more than a decade into the 21st.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:29 | 3687096 starman
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Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:44 | 3687204 gmrpeabody
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Your caps lock is stuck on.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:45 | 3687214 Lebensphilosoph
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Err ... no.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 13:24 | 3687678 The Boognish
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That kind of hyperbole is worse than a million Hitlers detonating a billion atomic bombs!

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:39 | 3687174 icanhasbailout
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The shit going on now has a potential cost in billions of lives, which would make Mao and Stalin seem like dabblers in the category of mass murder.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 14:26 | 3688048 Anusocracy
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Exactly, and the US government is the one pushing for it. 

Luckily for  the government, 98% of the population is in a coma from birth to death.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 12:32 | 3687421 matrix2012
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just swallow up all the smear campaigns about Mao Zedong (1893-1976) if they do make you feel smarter and better...  :-)


Did Mao Really Kill Millions in the Great Leap Forward?

The idea that “Mao was responsible for genocide” has been used as a springboard to rubbish everything that the Chinese people achieved during Mao’s rule. However, even someone like the demographer Judith Banister, one of the most prominent advocates of the “massive death toll” hypothesis has to admit the successes of the Mao era. She writes how in 1973-5 life expectancy in China was higher than in Africa, the Middle East, South Asia and many countries in Latin America. In 1981 she co-wrote an article where she described the People’s Republic of China as a ‘super-achiever’ in terms of mortality reduction, with life expectancy increasing by approximately 1.5 years per calendar year since the start of communist rule in 1949. Life expectancy increased from 35 in 1949 to 65 in the 1970s when Mao’s rule came to an end.

There is a good argument to suggest that the policies of the Great Leap Forward actually did much to sustain China’s overall economic growth, after an initial period of disruption. At the end of the 1950s, it was clear that China was going to have to develop using its own resources and without being able to use a large amount of machinery and technological know-how imported from the Soviet Union.

Mao made clear that, from the start, the policies of the Great Leap Forward were about China developing a more independent economic policy. China’s alternative to reliance on the USSR was a program for developing agriculture alongside the development of industry. In so doing, Mao wanted to use the resources that China could muster in abundance-labour and popular enthusiasm. The use of these resources would make up for the lack of capital and advanced technology.

Although problems and reversals occurred in the Great Leap Forward, it is fair to say that it had a very important role in the ongoing development of agriculture. Measures such as water conservancy and irrigation allowed for sustained increases in agricultural production, once the period of bad harvests was over. They also helped the countryside to deal with the problem of drought. Flood defenses were also developed. Terracing helped gradually increase the amount of cultivated area.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 12:54 | 3687513 Cathartes Aura
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that the youth were celebrated, and encouraged to turn on / in the "intellectuals" including their own parents / family was just a small part of the Great Leap Forward. . .

nothing erases "history" like a government planned genocide, eh.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 13:47 | 3687798 matrix2012
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Cathartes Aura,

i guess you refer to "the Gang of Four" who manipulated the old Mao in his latest years of life. Many foreigners are simply unable to differentiate between the Mao and the Gang of Four.

My suggestion, if you get chance to interact with Chinese folks, then you must them if they do feel that Mao was really that bad. I mean it, if truth is what we all are pursuing!

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 14:31 | 3688060 Anusocracy
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Yes, old syphillitic Mao was distracted by the 14 year old virgin he got each week.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 16:07 | 3688460 Cathartes Aura
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I'm referencing the "Great Leap Forward" & Mao's "Red Guard" - mainly from first hand accounts I've read, such as Wild Swans: Three Daughters of China by Jung Chang, and others.

as someone with a strong interest in how nationstate cultures are constructed, particularly along gender lines, for the benefits of those who control the memes, I'd say that Mao & Co. makes for fascinating study.

and I have friends in Taiwan & amrka with stories that can vary, depending on their perspectives.  as always, truth is relative.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 14:14 | 3687983 Anusocracy
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Another true believer.

Even Churchill commented that the US entering WWI changed the outcome of the war and that the terms of surrender lead to WWII. History will not be kind to the US.

Churchill: America caused Nazism, Communism, Facism

"America should have minded her own business and stayed out of the World War. If you hadn’t entered the war the Allies would have made peace with Germany in the Spring of 1917. Had we made peace then there would have been no collapse in Russia followed by Communism, no breakdown in Italy followed by Fascism, and Germany would not have signed the Versailles Treaty, which has enthroned Nazism in Germany. If America had stayed out of the war, all these ‘isms’ wouldn’t to-day be sweeping the continent of Europe and breaking down parliamentary government, and if England had made peace early in 1917, it would have saved over one million British, French, American, and other lives."

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 16:36 | 3688561 123dobryden
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how about this?


the biggest debtor nation in the world history so far...


how many children could feed off american debt? much more then stalin, pol pot, mao killed combined.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:08 | 3687011 semperfi
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so yer tellin me that all those cameras perched atop traffic lights at every major intersection and freeway entrance don't make you feel 'safer' ?

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:18 | 3687056 yrbmegr
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The U.S. is not the "biggest villain of our age" by any reasonable measure.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:24 | 3687078 starman
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For over a decade now when traveling abroad I tell people Im Canadian! I get the best rooms in hotels. 

Dont try the American version. No room fo yu sir.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:50 | 3687239 WillyGroper
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And when they ask for ur passport?

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:26 | 3686761 TrustbutVerify
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Hey Chinese Politburo...That's just not true.  Its simply an opportunistic and timely slam during a tough period when these things need to be figured out and fixed.  In the United States its done so in a very public, ugly manner.  In so many other places it not done at all.  

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:28 | 3686798 prains
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I'm postive two war criminals Dick and Rummy would disagree with you, most of the shit they've pulled is NOT known and the shit we do know about should be brought before a war crimes tribunal

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:25 | 3686768 malikai
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Stick -> Carrot.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:29 | 3686773 Temporalist
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Well at least China still has "Favored Nation Status".  It's like having bad just have to accept that they will be there to ruin your holidays.


"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:25 | 3686775 Spastica Rex
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Trust is slipping away, link sands through the hour glass.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:30 | 3686800 NoDebt
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The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.   - Princess Leah

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:32 | 3686813 francis_sawyer
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Things are always the darkest in the moment just before everything goes pitch black...

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:28 | 3687107 zerozulu
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Looks like movie just started. Glad I have my popcorn ready.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:57 | 3686939 flapdoodle
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We really are doomed.

Speaking of trust, imagine what will come from Communist China sitting down with Fascist America under the Kenyan putting the shackles on the internet:

" for the establishment of certain rules that help define and regulate Internet activities and mechanisms..."


Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:56 | 3687278 Ljoot
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Yes, unfortunately they may have met on common ground there.


Mon, 06/24/2013 - 12:57 | 3687535 Cathartes Aura
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Trust is slipping away, link sands through the hour glass.

trust based on lies is merely unearned belief - real trust seeks a higher standard of truth.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:25 | 3686777 unwashedmass
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well, i agree, if we get more specific, and nail it down to Bernanke, JPM and GS. 

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:34 | 3686780 CaptainSpaulding
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Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:26 | 3686781 Scro
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I'm so ashamed of what my gov't is doing. Time for America 2.0. :(

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:46 | 3686886 Fish Gone Bad
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Anyone remember the Dixie Chicks mouthing off about George Bush?  Yeah, that worked out really well for them...

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 13:51 | 3687852 Yes We Can. But...
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Woulda worked out better if they weren't fat and obnoxious.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 15:04 | 3688198 Kirk2NCC1701
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They catered to a mostly Republican audience, who still supported Bush (Republican).

Obama's not Republican, so it's safe for Country/Western bands and musicians to trash him and the Gov.

Know your audience still applies.  Even here, where you can get bonus up or down arrows merely for going with or against the Meme of the crowd.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:39 | 3686783 Dr. Engali
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Okay fine you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villian.

Harvey Dent


It's sad to see our country has fallen so far.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:27 | 3686788 F. Bastiat
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The US Government is very different from the states united.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:36 | 3686842 disabledvet
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wonderful. thank you.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 12:10 | 3687334 Shad_ow
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Absolutely!  Most of us are powerless to stop the tyranny and why we are hoping for a crash so we can work to restore honor and freedom.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 18:38 | 3688927 NidStyles
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That we shit is part of the problem.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:28 | 3686796 FieldingMellish
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Long way to go to rock bottom yet. Long way.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:34 | 3686823 francis_sawyer
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"Nonsense ~ I have not yet begun to defile myself"

~Doc Holliday

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:19 | 3687059 n8dawg84
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Shoulda won Oscar for Best Supporting Actor in that role

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:28 | 3686797 Money 4 Nothing
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Naaah! When the fuc did you just arrive to that conclusion? Must have been our counterfeit money printing operation in N.K. that gave it away?

Wait!?! You guy's control N.K.? As usual.. you cracked the caper.. kudos!


Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:29 | 3686799 q99x2
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I knew it would happen. Another 2.4 billion people that hate the globalists that have taken over Wall Street and Washington. 300 billion in this country, a half billion in that country. Everybody hates the fucking FEDs in Washington.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 12:51 | 3687490 Curt W
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300 billion dollars is child's play, but 300 billion people?

That is just too much.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:37 | 3686807 Ted K
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Wait!! Wait!! I thought that pack of losers of 9 worthless descendents of the original communist party founders thought Japan was the  "biggest villian in our age"??? Oh yeah, I forgot all of this is Tyler Durden rhetoric to create blog hits.

"Go my children!!!! Go my children and collect gold bars and Spam meat, before the "evil" darkie comes to take your favorite Boy Scout pistol that you think is your dick. Darkie is coming to take your peepee!! Go my children!!!"

                                                  ---Tyler Durden, American "patriot" circa 2013

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:39 | 3686853 pods
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Lemme guess, the Mrs. turned you down this weekend?


Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:43 | 3686876 Dr. Engali
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Your rascism that you pretend isn't there is poking through your rhetoric.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:58 | 3686944 cherry picker
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And the last Ted K I heard of left some poor gal drown in the car while he ran away to preserve his "good" name.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:58 | 3686947 kurt
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Ted Kunt

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:32 | 3686810 semperfi
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The US Govt has just classified the following groups as State Terrorists and Enemies of the State:

-    Tea Party

-    Citizens who support The Constitution

-    Pro-Lifers

-    Christians, Catholics in particular

People classifed by the NSA through their ubiquitous surveillance program as being directly or loosely associated with one or more of these rougue terror groups will be arrested and indefinitely retained in a FEMA camp. Leaders of these groups will be put to death.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:09 | 3687017 lakecity55
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Then, the enemy of all the above named groups is The Gubbermint.

The Vampires must be stopped.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:31 | 3686811 PaperWillBurn
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This won't end well....unless you hold physical gold.


Snowden appears to be the spark that will end the Chinese support of the $ reserve system.


Shits about to get real

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:38 | 3686848 Unprepared
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Don't fall into an illusion of safety. It won't end well for anybody, goldholder or not.

Owning gold "might" give you a certain edge, and improve your odds of survival or decent life but it is no guarantee. Do not expect from your physical stack more it can deliver.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:43 | 3686879 PaperWillBurn
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I don't expect an apocalyps. I expect the global value that the dollar currently holds hostage will flow to gold. China, Russia, ASEAN Bloc, etc have been accumulating for such a scenario..time will tell.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:45 | 3686821 JustObserving
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WTF it took you so long to discover that?  Every since the 9/11 false flag and the fake WMDs in Iraq, the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, everyone has known that.  We have found the evil empire and it is us.

Snowden may be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:11 | 3687024 cynicalskeptic
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It's not a camel.  It's a 1000 lb. Rabid Gorilla running amok.   Much harder to 'break'

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 12:18 | 3687363 caconhma
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If Snowden calls the 9/11 responsible parties, the consequences could be mindboggling. The feebleminded Obama administration gave a huge boost to the Snowden credibility by confirming its authenticity.

The WikiLeaks did not reveal anything of value. The Snowden affair is looking real since the damage inflicted to the US reputation is humongous.





Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:34 | 3686829 Temporalist
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Did someone see my black swan?  She escaped the pen but I'm sure she's around here somewhere.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:40 | 3686864 Unprepared
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Didn't you know? It's migration season for black swans. There is flock flying overhead as I type this, heading south.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:46 | 3686887 Money 4 Nothing
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Last seen flying East with her gozlings,  

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:55 | 3686928 Hulk
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Snowden is the Black Swan !!!

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:35 | 3686835 Son of Loki
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I'm afraid to go into any internet cafes anymore for a coffee...thinking..."Could this be a 'Fake' Internet Cafe?"


Is my coffee doped up?


Is that white stuff really cream? gets scary.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:06 | 3686999 lakecity55
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And don't pay using cash-- you may be a terrist.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 12:04 | 3687309 F. Bastiat
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Just go to any college library for free, anonymous internet access.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 12:29 | 3687405 jimmytorpedo
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Most lie-berries are now over run with bed bugs (as well as stories TPTB want us to believe)

Bedbugs love libraries 'cause the can hide in the books and avoid the spraying.

Just saying. 

Oh ya, and my wife doesn't like it when I have sex with college girls.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:36 | 3686837 Inthemix96
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As those two Irish cunts in a previous thread have shown, its not just America, or Ireland, or England, or where ever.  Its where too much power is accumulated to the very top of the massive fucking conglomorations who run this world into fucking debt servitude while having no personal responsibility for the damnable actions they take.

These insane fuckers need a dose of fucking reality all us fuckers have to live with thanks to their outright fucking stupidity and down right callousness for their fellow man.

Them two Irish fuckers laughing and joking at the rest of their populaces fate need a stern fucking lesson in 'Moral Hazard'.  They need to be taught a lesson that no jail is capable of delivering.

They need mob justice the cunts.  And dont get me wrong, they are not the only ones, but they need to be taught that for every action, there is an equal and opposite re-action.  Especially if your first and only thought is personal greed over your fellow man.  These type of cunts make me sick and show just how much a man can be corrupted when let loose without any forethought of what will happen to him should he do wrong by others.

Wrecking a nation for fucking avarice and bastard greed?  They will burn in hell for the damage they caused.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:41 | 3686860 disabledvet
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especially effective with no cap locks as well. "light it up brother."

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:00 | 3686953 Temporalist
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"They will burn in hell"

Being that I don't believe in hell I'd prefer a more corporeal punishment in the present for crimes against humanity.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:14 | 3687043 Inthemix96
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Neither do I mate.

Skin the fuckers alive would do me Temporalist, with a blunt tattie peeler.

If you dont have the stomach for it, I have.


Mon, 06/24/2013 - 14:05 | 3687931 Yes We Can. But...
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Somehow that cute/fuzzy little winky trailing your post seems out of place...

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:55 | 3686929 cherry picker
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It is so easy to fool a population into compliance isn't it?

I see it now.  US citizens are forgetting what .gov has done to them and others and are defending the actions of .gov in the name of self righteous "patriotism" by pointing out the flaws of other nations, forgetting that the USA has the highest per capita incarceration rate in the world.

One law professor said in reference to the uncountable federal regulations and laws theat there wasn't anyone over the age of eighteen he could not indict with a felony in the USA.

Time to look in the mirror everyone.  Before critizing Snowden and focussing on him, look at the message, not the messenger.

The UK, Canada and the USA are all in it up to their eyeballs and we don't need another Gitmo, Iraq or drone hits.

Let's start using trials with Judge and jury again as all I've been hearing since 9/11 are accusations but very little proof, as it is all fucking "classified"

Let us find out what the Truth is.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:11 | 3687023 Inthemix96
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What we need Cherry Picker is real consequences for REAL and PROVABLE actions, just like them two Irish fuckers laughing as they send 11 million people into debt servitude for the fucking insane decisions people like them and their underlings made.  And doing it on a fucking traceable, and recorded line?  How fucking stupid are these idiots?

The time has passed for us to just stand by and watch and nod our heads and say things like 'Damn Idiots', they need to be held accountable for ruining the fucking entire Western world mate.

How can this be right?  Where is the fucking police in these matters?  You can go to jail for a small amount of pot, or for driving without a seatbelt or driving while on the phone enough times, but you cannot go to jail for ruining an entire country?  Running up 17 Trillion $ in debt?  Doing a 'Corzine' and vapourizing 1.6 Billion $ of customers funds?

Its coming down to the fact these fuckers WILL get mob justice as the judiciary dont want to know.  As ever, the people will have to sort this mess out.  I am sick to my back teeth of reading stories where the average bloke is run down and these fucking pricks walk around like some god forsaken star while the rest of us are left to pick up the pieces of their disasterous decisions, all the while telling us 'We Are All In This Together'.  We didnt fuck the Western world mate, they did, and its about time they paid a VERY heavy price for doing so.

And here, while I'm on one, Fuck You Bernslpankse, YOU will get yours you fucking little dwarf cunt.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 12:03 | 3687308 WillyGroper
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Hey ITM96: link for 2 Irish laffing plz? Haven't heard this one. TIA

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 12:09 | 3687325 Inthemix96
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Go a few threads back, Ribeye posted the link, its in three parts, Independent IE I believe, and laughing like clowns as they ask for 7 billion of our money mate.

Once again, hat tip due for Ribeye, on the ball, and quick as fuck with this one.

Hope that helps.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:19 | 3687060 Ourrulersknowbest
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Inthemix,I totally agree.i'm Irish and pissed off at all these jokers.i had heard rumours of these tapes months ago,but I live in a country of mindless sheep.i don't bring up these matters in polite company anymore cos I am tired of THAT all know it zhers. The head cocks to the side while people look at you trying to figure out why you are not taking your meds for paranoid delusions.FUCK EM!
I know who I am and where I am.
As LOP says,hedge accordingly.
I have.
Let the sheeple choke on X factor,Facebook and sky fucking news.
I am tired and just want to live a simple life.when TSHTF I will not be smug about it.i am now in survival mode
Peace and wakefulness to all.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:30 | 3687115 Inthemix96
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When the time comes mate, lets give these cunts war.

All the best to you and yours mate.


Mon, 06/24/2013 - 11:41 | 3687187 Ourrulersknowbest
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Cheers dude,but there won't be war.there will be distractions that us tin foil hatters haven't even dreamed of.the populace will kneel and swallow,and life will only comfort is the fact I have raised two kids to age 13 and 18 and given them the gift of questioning the shit that the world throws at them.i repeatedly tell them I might be wrong about things but to have an inquiring mind is a gift in any age.if I'm wrong,hey ho.if you question and lay out alternatives you might not get totally fucked when the tide goes out.
I still believe in the goodness of people on a one to one level,but the establishment is a cesspit of vested interested.
Those who inform themselves,might have to to put a few extra pairs on jocks on for when the tide goes out.if it doesn't,and I am wrong,I can take them off for myself,but I will not let the fuckers strip me.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 12:25 | 3687389 Shad_ow
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Thanks for the insight there.  People really are the same everywhere. 

Your description of the reactions to the truth are exactly that here.  I am reveling in the fact that I knew and am prepared.  At the same time I am furious with the criminal leaders and sad.  This didn't have to happen.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:36 | 3686838 bustdrs
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So, is it still too early to do what Jim Rickarss suggested?
4000t (at us1500 o/oz) can come up to 15% of GDP..

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:37 | 3686843 ItsDanger
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China has definitely been the cyberwar leader for many yrs, the US is just trying to catch up.  This should be obvious to anyone.  Their statement reeks of hyprocrisy and distraction.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 14:06 | 3687937 peter4805
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And your statement reeks of idiocy.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 10:37 | 3686845 the not so migh...
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Sounds like fighting words!!  You will still buy our shit right?

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