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First Hong Kong, Now Russia Refuses To Intervene On Snowden
In keeping with fine Christian values, after Hong Kong slapped the US on one cheek yesterday when it allowed a passportless Snowden to leave the country for Moscow, the US has now turned the other cheek. And RUssia's Vladimir Putin was happy to oblige with a perfectly placed uppercut. As the WSJ reports, the Kremlin said Monday that it won't intervene in the case of former U.S. government contractor Edward Snowden and that Russia had no advance knowledge of his arrival from Hong Kong on Sunday. President Vladimir Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that a decision about holding Mr. Snowden and sending him back to the U.S. to face charges wasn't a matter for the Kremlin."Snowden did nothing illegal in Russia. There are also no orders for his arrest through Interpol to Russian law enforcement agencies," an unnamed security official told the RIA-Novosti news agency." Of course, the NSA which is actively intercepting every Russian (and global) form of communication, knew all about this long ago...
More:
"It is not a question for us," Mr. Peskov told The Wall Street Journal. "We don't know what his plans are and we were unaware he was coming here."
Russian state media, citing an official in the government's security apparatus, said authorities have no legal grounds to detain and send Mr. Snowden back to the U.S.
On Friday, the U.S. unsealed an indictment charging Mr. Snowden with espionage and had requested Hong Kong officials arrest him and prepare for extradition proceedings.
But his surprise departure from the former British colony, now a special administrative region of China, set off a diplomatic scramble. On Monday, the White House said it expected Russia to "look at all options available" to expel Mr. Snowden to face charges in the U.S.
"Given our intensified cooperation after the Boston Marathon bombings and our history of working with Russia on law enforcement matters—including returning numerous high-level criminals back to Russia at the request of the Russian government—we expect the Russian government to look at all options available to expel Mr. Snowden back to the U.S. to face justice for the crimes with which he is charged," said Caitlin Hayden, a spokeswoman for the White House's National Security Council.
And just hitting the tape, is the SCMP with the aptly named, "China outsmarted US in Snowden affair, experts say"
China interceded to allow Edward Snowden’s dramatic flight from Hong Kong, calculating that infuriating the United States for now was necessary to prevent deeper corrosion to their relationship, analysts and media said on Monday.
Beijing also exploited the former spy’s revelations to put the US government on the back foot. State media called Washington a “villain” for its alleged hacking of Chinese targets, when the United States has long portrayed itself as a victim of Chinese cyber-espionage.
The Hong Kong government insisted that its decision to let the 30-year-old Snowden fly out on Sunday was governed strictly by the law, after a provisional US arrest warrant purportedly failed to meet its judicial requirements.
But for many observers, such a high-profile case - carrying the potential to destabilise Sino-US ties for years if Snowden had fought a lengthy legal battle in Hong Kong - must have provoked intense interest among the territory’s overseers.
Hong Kong political analyst Johnny Lau said he believed that Chinese representatives “must have drained him in depth and exhausted him (for intelligence) before letting him go”.
As for Hong Kong’s role, Lau argued that the local government was a pawn with Beijing guiding the pieces.
“Hong Kong is just part of a chess game. It was the same when it was part of Britain,” he told AFP.
Such speculation took an intriguing twist on Monday with Albert Ho, one of Hong Kong’s most respected pro-democracy lawmakers, revealing that he had been hired as Snowden’s lawyer and that he had relayed a message from a mystery intermediary several days ago.
The intermediary did not specify whether he represented the government in Beijing or Hong Kong, but Ho said: “I have reasons to believe that... those who wanted him to leave represented Beijing authorities.
“Bejing would not step forward to the front stage because it (would) affect Sino-US relations,” he told reporters.
Next up: Havana, and finally Ecuador, where absent a highly-targeted, Tom Clancy-inspired "extraction", Snowden is likely to remain for a long time even if it means disclosing NSA secrets to the media for an even longer time.
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"Uncle Sam"'s being slowing bucketed into the kiddie fiddler category and the world's turning their backs
Not that surprising really
Maybe that's because "Uncle Sam" turned out to be a pagan childmolester and mass-murderer. ..
On top of it all, nobody likes a bully.
"Given our intensified cooperation after the Boston Marathon bombings"
Just had to slip the boston bombing in there didnt you white house spin doctor?
nothing like the bitter taste of a suck pill.
Golly....no signs that Snowden is an espionage agent here...
http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2010/06/cold-war-is-over-right.html
(**whistling past the graveyard**)
P.S. It's amazing how so many here @ ZH are hopelessly and perilously self-deceived.
i'd like to agree but every turn this affaire takes is an embarassment to the usa. they can't assassinate him. they can't bomb hong hong or russia. they accuse HIM of espionage? snowden is a posterboy of resistance and i wonder if he is finally america's undoing.
Edward Snowden, Freedom Fighter Emeritus
NYET bitchez!
US imperialism is doomed to dilution by rising powers around the world.
This will also amplify the progression of any US debt crisis. Note the pro-cyclicality of the end of empire.
http://www.planbeconomics.com/2012/04/empire-at-ledge.html
They can't assassinate him? Really?!
they'd have to have very, very good aim because if they hit any foreign nationals who aren't Snowden but are with him, the US will be embroiled in an international incident far beyond their ability to handle. The USA flat out can not allow itself to be caught killing any Chinese or Russians to get Snowden.
Curious ... does AIPAC pay you by the word or byte ??
... and he's gone.
They charge him with espionage.
Espionage noun1.
the act or practice of spying.
2.
the use of spies by a government to discover the military and political secrets of other nations.
I think that they have shot themselves in the foot with this one. Snowden has released information about the collective of treasonous agents that make up our government, who are spying on America. These spys in government, are without doubt, certainly not a government of the Constitution representing We The People. They are not oath keepers nor guardians of our Libertarian Constitution. They are false representatives, self-promoting careerists and dynisty builders, spying on us.
Snowden being a free man, an American patriot, has done his duty according to the Constitution. He believes in a Constitutional Government of the people under law and as a citizen member of our real government. Having discovered enemies of the people within its ranks, infiltrating and occuping positions of high office in our house in the capital, his duty was to expose these Quislings. He is our modern day Paul Revere. He is the world's modern day Paul Revere. He raises a clarion call to patriots through his statement, "Im neither traitor nor hero. I'm an American." He got one of those descriptors wrong; he is a hero, in the true sense of the word. He stood up to the machine. He has joined the ranks of the few. The time has come, Americans! Rise up and reject them. Cast them out. Stand up for your Republic. A million strong protest like those in Brazil might do it. Revolt.
They charge him with espionage.
......and I charge them with espionage under the 4th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America.
Arrest them. All of us, arrest them.
our beloved family-member and ally Uncle Sam (I mean it) has always used some tactics that were on the dark side, including assassinations, toppling of governments, etc. since it joined the Imperialist Great Game (Spanish-American War of 1898) in earnest
what the drones in the Pentagon and the State Departments often forget is that the goodwill Uncle Sam (still) has was depending for a long time on the fact that we were in a cold war
but who is to blame? Uncle Sam's citizen's like the fairy tale that they are a Republic at home, period - and most of the times react with great jingoistic fervor to anything that looks like an affront to their standing - mostly without acknowlegding the Empire abroad
just a stupid example: burning a Star Spangled Banner outside the US jurisdiction is a crime, punishable everywhere
as long as the US citizenship does not realize the rampant corruption in congress, that's the way it is, folks
(and frankly, a reform of "political money" would not be enough, imho. the US would need a different voting system. but that would be very... there is no word for that... "Un-AngloSpherian"? because the UK has the same issue minus the extreme corruption)
we all have the government(s) we deserve
btw, imperialism is not bad, per se. as so many things and tools, it's about what you do with it that can be looked at on the moral plane. Gandhi realized this and he freed India with this realization - by reminding the British Citizenship at home that their standards and values in the metropolis were not upheld in the empire
Have a nice filght Mr. Snowden. We wish you well.
according to rt.com he is not on the flight. Plane is now en route to HAV. check flightradar24 for SU150 to see if they deviate from the traditional route, since it would pass through US air space and plane could be forced down.
Wow, thanks for the heads up.
Snowden = Russian payback for not extraditing Victor Bout
Dont you love just how the USA is acting like a bunch of Mafia thugs dealing with other countried.
They make a request, along with direct threat if you don't do as you are told/requested.
Does the Obama administration think they are sailing up some river with a gunboat point at somebody's Palace making demans??
HK rightly told the US to fuck off, this isn't the 18th 19th or 20th Centuries.
Obama and the USA showing themselves to the world to be nothing more than a bunch mafia thugs, and thus deserve no more respect for their arguments or demands.
And with their stupid behaviour make China and Russia look morderate and reasonable.
"Does the Obama administration think they are sailing up some river with a gunboat point at somebody's Palace making demans??"
Yes, yes, that's quite possible. I feel reminded of an old tale:
Joseph Conrad: 'Heart of Darkness'
http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/c/conrad/joseph/c75h/
Stunning parallels. ;-)
why stunning? the Great Game does not change, or, better, the "Logic of Empire" never does. a writer like Conrad could have written a story around the frictions the Babylonian empire had with Egypt's Pharao, 3'000 years ago and the only thing that would have changed would have been the actors, not the actions. nevertheless, it's a good book
So Ghordius will the EZ make a Bank Union or not? Moment of truth coming to EU. Deep split in the making here, or not?
As per this article : http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/06/yanis-varoufakis-the-death-of-dir...
as here on the overall monetary front :
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/06/the-bis-has-lost-its-mind-advocat...
Looks like the world ship is not going where FED pretends it is!
complex theme and my bloody crystal ball does not work. but I think it will go in the direction of a number of banks becoming "ecb-system banks" and the rest tied to the 17 national systems - which would be both a compromise and a smart solution, imho - particularly in the internal/external "shock absorbing" scenario analysis
Martin "GDP" Wolf of the FT came back from the last Bilderberg meeting and he wrote on the June 21st comment section about the need for further reform of the British banking system - good article, and I seldom agree (usually at all) with him so much like there. a lot depends on that - then after all all banking systems are in competition with each other, and nobody is currently expecting a reform in the US
no deep split in the making, imo. after all, Deutsche Bank ought to be slapped around by the ECB and the LandesBanken by their federal state governments, in my view. to each according to it's size. all our megabanks are like dogs too heavy and muscular for their putative national owners
note in Wolf's article how he speaks from my heart: "...the answer is that we have entrusted a private industry with the provisions of three public or near public goods: the supply of money; the payment system; and the supply of credit. But credit is risky, while money and payment have to be safe..."
there is still some hope if Mr. GDP Himself is open to such realizations. we'll see if the UK has the strenght to do what is necessary
Read Conrads "The Secret Agent". It may give some idea of the minds of some impatient people who just cannot take the uncertainty any more. It is very dark but typical JC
Hi, Ted.
I love that novel
No offense to Mafia thugs...
Can we get a clarification, Jewish , Russian or Italian "Mafia Thugs" ?
Who gets to break the law but can't be prosecuted because it might disrupt a certain lucrative global business?
Yep,remember when Iran hacked and brought down the RQ sentinel drone and Obomber had the hide to ask for it back the BS line being that it had strayed off course.
The guy is a serial liar man.
No one respects us a country because we have a weak president.
Weak president? WTF?
C'mon, nobody respects the US government because it has become the bad guys. Among the nations of the world, the US is the arrogant, bullying asshole that steals everyone's lunch money and beats up the crippled kids.
No, that is not why.
You have a government that lies, treats you like serfs and murders indiscriminately.
That your president might or might not be weak is not the point. That he, and his predecessors are criminals, is reason enough, in itself.
Wait a bit, and there might not be asylum for your president and congress members, --- anywhere.
It is starting to get a bit hot.
No one respects us as a country because our government hates us for our freedom and hates the Constitution.
Fixed it for ya.
Well, we do have a weak president. I can't see the various leaders of the world warming up to a she-man.
But he has a Nobel Prize! Bet Putin is jealous.
Ya. Putin stole his Nobel ring.
Snowden: Are we there yet? No? OK, in the mean time let me go through my list of leaks to give to the press
And they're off. S just checked in....seat and all.....Flying near NY
http://rt.com/news/snowden-us-airspace-flight-extradition-145/
No national airspace above 24500 feet QNH ....
Wonder what the Vegas odds are on GunSlinger1 scrambling jets to intercept the international flight as it cracks US airspace?
or a SAM ,"accidently" launched during a "training" exercise
Intensified cooperation? Rule of law?
These people have no idea how hollow this bullshit rings when they sing it.
.
They seem to think that by virtue of their mouthing of words like "rule of law", "freedom", and "justice", it carries the weight of a magical invocation which renders their statements believable.
Such is the depth of delusion which permeates Vichy DC.
"how hollow this bullshit rings"
At first glance I read that as hollowpoint bullshit ... heh, different topic
Have we reached peak arrogance?
Fckn Bizarro World,
Flee from tyranny to Russia,
Wait, whaaaaaaaaaaat?
This is becoming a Graham Greene novel. Lol the 'spokeswoman' from the Wh NSC. How pathetic, how disembling, how past their sell-by date. Having a laugh.
Plus our "spokeswoman" can't speak proper english:
"we expect the Russian government to look at all options available to expel Mr. Snowden back to the U.S. "
Note to Snowden....find a nice extemley busy place in Russia and disappear.
This kid's got wings.
He pops up in Hong Kong, sails through Russia, stops in Cuba - while the USSA stasi whine and stamp their feet.
What a hoot - more popcorn and beverages. It's gonna get much stupider real soon.
The Boston bombings which the massive amount of data collected by the NSA CIA FBI and all....could not detect or did nothing to stop..
just like all the advance warnings of 9/11
well, those were planned by .gov, so why would they be looking at intel reports?
And remember they dissed Russia in the aftermath for not providing enough information about the bombers (i.e. Russia didn't serve the bombers up cuffed and on a silver platter.)
Triple tin-foil Sundae:
did the FBI execute a Chechnyan ON BEHALF of Russia / FSB to curry favor, yet act in too sloppy a manner and/or at the wrong time?
dun dun DUUUUUnnn
:D
Hey Mr Schumer play a song for me, I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to...until I do !
Niet, Niet, Niet and then a straight left to the jaw.
There is something profoundly unsettling about seeing a young person fleeing a vindictive government for having exposed a massive political conspiracy against the democratic rights of the American people and the people of the world.
Edward Snowden has been charged with espionage and is being denounced by American politicians and media commentators as a traitor who is spying for the enemy. But to whom is he giving information? To the American people. In the eyes of Snowden’s accusers, the enemy is the American people.
The people have a right to know that every telephone call is recorded, every email is monitored, every Skype conversation is listened into; that every communication, Internet download and credit card purchase is collected and stored in vast National Security Agency (NSA) databases. Those private communications that are not immediately wiretapped or read are collected for future snooping.
The so-called “metadata” of phone and electronic communication records provide the military and intelligence agencies with a wealth of information about every man and woman in the country—who they associate with, what they read, what they purchase, how they spend their time.
Those who dismiss the revelations of vast state spying operations, who say people have nothing to fear if they have nothing to hide, display ignorance and indifference to the question of democratic rights. To them, the Constitution is superfluous.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/06/24/pers-j24.html
Edward Snowden has been charged with espionage
It should be charged with practicing espionage without a license. Is espionage a wrong thing to do? FFS who is allowed to do espionage and who is not. His job was espionage. Has he been fired by the NSA? Is he working for the CIA? Is the CIA using him to get even with the NSA? Spy vs Spy.
Re ... the Kremlin said Monday.... that Russia had no advance knowledge of his (Snowdens's) arrival from Hong Kong on Sunday.
Hahahaha!!!! No Advance knowledge... LOL!!!!
The rest of the world might have known that Snowden was headed to Moscow - but not, apparently, those spooks in the Kremlin! Too damn funny!
Don't you just love that Russian sense of humor?
Pretty soon USSA is gonna run outta mugs that take it seriously ;)
Gotta smile at Russia's way of sending a big Felix Unger to the WH. HK's way is to pretend the paperwork isn't in order. The best dramas always have some humor.
This is perhaps the first ever globe-trotting trolling ever done. It's glorious, DC can't fail to respond to it.
HK (China) - Check!
Russia - Check!
Cuba - Check!
Ecuador - Check!
He might stop off in Nigeria and Darfur at this rate with a shimmy around the Easter Islands and perhaps a casino visit in Monaco.
On the QT, he's actually heading to Svalbard to get beamed aboard. (Those with good eyes should ask why such a tiny place has better undersea cable connections than NZ, but wink wink say no more).
The station provides ground services to more satellites than any other facility in the world.
partially owned by these guys
Yes, I know. That's why I linked to the start of The Thing where the Norwegian's speech is translated which essentially spoils the entire movie. Possibly why it's not seen as a taunt horror / psychological thriller in that country.
Thanks for explaining the joke though.
I haven't seen The Thing...but, even though you spoiled the movie, I hear Kurt Russell delivers a fine performance!
The only surprise is that Interpol did not release a red letter notice to detain Snowden. After all, Interpol in the past issued a red letter notice that enabled Malaysian authorities to arrest a Saudi national in their country for the crime of blasphemy in Saudi Arabia. As Gerald Celente often comments, the USA is now run along the lines of a Mafia crme family. The Mafia does not like people who do not follow omerta, the mob code of silence. For confirmation, just ask our "capi di tutti capi," President Obama. When he comes back from Camp David to rage at his staff for letting Snowden escape the solitary 6' by 8' windowless cell Obama had prepared for Snowden in Supermax prison.
This was the technicality that allowed HK to let him leave. Too bad, Holder screwed up again.
haha, holder only practices illegal law.
he has no idea how to fill out an actual, legal warrant or legit extradition request.
now, phony papers and what not, there's your man.
He forget to put a FISA rubber stamp on the papers.
I'm not sure on that. I'm not an expert, but imho that Interpol red letter was inside the normal "modus operandi" envelope: blasphemy is a crime in both Saudi Arabia and Malaysia
what Snowden did was not against HK or Chinese laws. or Russian. etc. etc.
Well, RT.com have a journo on board the flight from Moscow to Havana that Snowden was expected to be on and it's taxing to depart Moscow. The journo says he's 100% sure that Snowden is NOT on board, despite some obvious security arrangements taken at the boarding gate.
Disinformation? or is Snowden quietly taking another flight to confuse US agencies?
Snowden could be in the cabin crew's sleeping quarters, under the passenger deck
Not sure the A330 has one of them. Whatever, I guess he is on board and the kerfuffle at the boarding gate was a distraction, while they boarded him discreetly without going thru the gate.
If the flight has an Ecuadorian diplomat or VIP as a passenger, then I'm sure Snowden is on the flight.
Yeahbut...when ordinary people try to get passenger lists of any flight, they are met with a flat refusal by ground staff. I tried it once at London LHR (for a legitimate reason) without success.
Russian Intelligence has not had nearly enough time to fully debrief Snowden. The empty plane flying to Cuba is simply a distraction to buy time and further embarrass the US. It would be hilarious if the US Air Force somehow manages to force the plane to land and find it empty.
LOL. Deploy several aircraft and forget completely that Chinese subs were able to pop up off California & Texas not long ago completely undetected.
Absolutely unrelated.
new Moscow shuffle?
Check the cockpit....
Or the pressurized and heated survival capsule in the cargo hold.
The flight is SU150 (call sign AFL150) and it's currently heading towards St Petersburg.
www.flightradar24.com has it all.....except a passenger list ;-)
Seems like long ago Wikileaks had all it's funding avenues frozen, now it seems there are now other alternatives to send and receive funds that might be a Bit more reliable.
More quickly now we see what used to be called reality, coming apart.
The US is getting pissed?
That's funny.
Shouldn't it be the entire globe getting pissed at the US for extensivly spying on everybody? Or am I missing something?
perhaps you are missing that we are somewhat used to that. in fact, the biggest issue europeans have at the moment is that this data was passed to the British, Canadians, New Zealanders, Australian and Dutch intelligence services, but not to all the other allies - which have constitutions, laws and populations which would not legally permit such things. comes with the territory, i.e. real, personal experience with fascism and communism
done that, seen it, not that willing to repeat this kind of mistakes
Lists they compile will be up for sale to extremist anti- anything groups, life insurance polices, divorce attorneys, credit bureaus, the police should you find your self being asked: "Can I see your identification?"
Vendettas, weakening the competition through sinister ways (gossip of dastardly deeds), money problems, emotional health, chosen path to obtaining sexual gratification.
What you think will be used against you but it will depend just exactly who is standing before you at any given time; it will vary, from one person to the next. Personality clash with a person of authority could end in the last breath you take, because they answer to NO ONE.
World is imprisoned by the ecomonic turmoil. time to leave for higher ground. I think we all know that know.
Turning the masses against one another will be result as intricate details that never should be known in a civilized, surely polite society. But blame is needed and witch hunts work to pass time until the memory fades and we grow accustom to a life of facism.
"Or am I missing something?"
Nah, you're just forgetting your assigned place, in Stazi-land rev 2.0
Am taking a bow
That was an official "Bitch Slap" from Vlad to Babyseal1. Game-Set-Match. Russia just told the entire world we are spying on everybody.
23 June 2013
Glenn Greenwald Interviewed by David Gregory on 'Meet the Press' This Morning
" Not the finest moment for the national mainstream media." jca
..
http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2013/06/glenn-greenwald-intervi...
Perhaps working toward the status of international folk hero.
Next up- martyr.
Still later he'll keep popping up here and there like Elvis.
The sooner we clean up the filth that is now posing as the United States Government the better off all nations will be.
The United States is a paradox. On the one hand no other nation has ever spent so much money making enemies of so many people and nations. On the other, in my opinion, it still remains the single biggest deterrent to China and or Russia become advernturous and brutal with other countries.
I am convinced however that the USA, China and Russia have already targeted each other's infrastructure for sabotage in the event that things start to get out of hand. So in the beginning there will not be any bombs, just dams cracking or being filled with highly poisonous chemicals to renfer them useless, satellites getting zapped, and so on and so forth.
there is another part to your paradox: no country can shoulder 50% of the military expenditures of this planet. during the cold war, this trick was done by european central bank's support of the dollar. now China added support, and it's currently shouldering most of it
so your bloodthirsty vision fails to consider how much China is the - to paraphrase Niall Ferguson - faithful, hardworking second husband of Mrs. America. or how little money can be made out of full-blown wars between major powers
but of course there is nothing more apt to keep those mil-spending levels than your kind of talk, so by jingo, something should be done
I appreciate your thoughtful comment and clearly the USA's foreign entanglements would hardly have been possible without the Chinese recycling their US dollars earnings back to the USA. But we must not forget that for China at the outset it was much more important to have its population working and eating as well as stripping the US of its factories and intellectual property.
Now that that has been achieved I doubt that the Chinese have been the same eager buyers of US as they used to be. Therefore, the USA is going to have to find another way to keep doing what it has been doing.
The question does however remain, that if the USA for one reason or another is forced to limit its foreign ventures, who or what fills the void? Or will the world then become one big happy family?
Americans have never gotten used to the Empire ...
I don't think they every really got used to Democracy, either ...
Hussein Obama is a delusional marxist, a liar, and a fraud.
The Chi-coms and the Russians both know it.
That is a grave insult to any self respecting Marxist.
Well, there you have it. US Government is irrelevant!
kgb man putin must be lovin' sticking it to nancy-boy 0bama!
I'm getting a laugh out of it!
Snowden would not have been a candadate for admiration a generation ago, but americans so dislike congress, and obama that americans eagerness for a good hero is so unmet that Snowden is seen in a favorable way, not because of what he did as much as a collective dislike of congressional and political corruption.
Sorry for the inconvience, Aeroflot bathroom number 3 is locked for later maintinance in cuba.
"Given our intensified cooperation after the Boston Marathon bombings and our history of working with Russia on law enforcement matters"
LOL
and the several CIA recruiters caught & ejected from Russia...
LOL
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