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Market's 'Hall Pass' Is Gone: "Bad News Is No Longer Good News"
It has seemed that the Fed's liquidity back stop has provided excuse after excuse for whatever macro-, micro-, or event-risk driven problems that market has faced. But now, as Morgan Stanley's Adam Parker notes, the big outcome from the earlier-than-expected start of tapering is that going forward, "bad economic news will be bad for markets." The market knows and most Fed governors know there are diminishing returns to QE’s efficacy, and we have shown it here. So, something new and massive would be required in order for poor economic news - should it surface - to be rewarded the way it has been for much of the past year." What is more concerning to Parker is that diminishing returns to the existing QE are already an implicit form of tapering and if the Fed wanted to maintain its impact on the market, it would have to expand QE - i.e. Fed tapering already underway.
Via Morgan Stanley's Adam Parker,
We think the Fed is aware of the diminishing returns to QE, and in the face of stabilizing economic data, this led them to signal that they would begin to withdraw from the program. We have been saying for some time that “good economic news is good for markets and bad economic news is good for markets” or that the market had a “Hall Pass” until July. Well, we think the Hall Pass is over and that this regime changed last week. The big outcome from the earlier-than-expected start of tapering is that going forward, bad economic news will be bad for markets.
The market knows and most Fed governors know there are diminishing returns to QE’s efficacy. So, something new and massive would be required in order for poor economic news – should it surface – to be rewarded the way it has been for much of the past year. On the flip side, we don’t think we will remain in a prolonged environment where good news is punished. After all, the market has already become anticipatory of the coming tapering and ultimately the tightening a couple of years down the road.
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The early response of the S&P 500 to QE showed a positive and significant correlation to weekly balance sheet changes. While no longer significant, this correlation remained positive until April 17, 2013. Recent correlations have been negative to flat.
This situation – a strong initial response, followed by weaker subsequent impact – is reminiscent of the diminishing returns we observed late in QE2. Perhaps even without tapering, the current program may soon be inadequate to further influence equity markets.
We think the Fed knows this, and hence, 2 months later, had to signal that they would begin to withdraw from the program. We have been saying for some time that “good economic news is good for markets and bad economic news is good for markets” and that this regime will change.
We think last week was a big deal, because now bad economic news will be bad for markets. The market knows and most Fed governors know there are diminishing returns to QE’s efficacy, and we have shown it here.
So, something new and massive would be required in order for poor economic news, if it surfaces, to be rewarded the way it has been for much of the past year.
Diminishing returns to the existing QE program complicate evaluation of the impact of tapering on equity market performance. Said differently, diminishing returns are already a form of Fed tapering, and the Fed should actually be expanding its QE if it wanted to maintain its impact on equity markets.
From the standpoint of the S&P, Fed tapering is already underway.
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Before book-credit became common, and in the times when commerce was effected through the circulation of hard money, the natural recourse of the projecting magician was the debasement of the metal coinage - every "clipping" in silver or gold content meaning, of course, a profit to the source of issue or a reduction in the debt. Gresham´s Law (that bad money drives out good money) dates from such a period. The law is absolutely correct in essence: for while it is true that a limited amount of debased money can be put into use alongside the good coinage, it is also true that the process of debasement is an accelerating one, just as is to a greater degree the issue of unredeemable paper; so those who quarrel with Gresham´s statement are merely indulging in a quibble.
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1. The vital prerequisite of an effective inflation, wich will result disastously to the creditor position, is the intent to falsify the true economic position of a nation, or to relieve the debtor at the expence of the creditor. Where there is no such intent, there may be a temporary inflation, not harmful, possibly benificial - and it will contract itself when is work is done.
2. Infaltion, whether of bank credit or of paper currency, cannot be effective until the larcenous purpose is generaly comprehended. This explains why in 1933 and 1934, in the United States, the credit base was enormously extended without any considerable effect upon trade or employment. The credit simply lay inert: business did not care to employ it normally, and there was not sufficient fear to induce its abnormal use. In this period 1933-34, in the United States, prices rose, but not because of inflation. A similar case is observed in all paper-money expansions. At first the money makes only a short turn and goes back into the banks. Prices do not immediately rise, because the fraudulent purpose is not understood.
A World in Debt, by Freeman Tilden 1935
Tilden, would be rolling in his mother effing grave if he saw what was happenign here in the real world. We are now run by crooks, and wesals in suits. A joke really.
The weekly charts on the SPX here => http://bit.ly/11JmsfA looks like doggy doo doo on toast really.
This fed tapering is BS really, but had to happen. Think about the lies, and then more lies to cover up those lies. What a world in which we live.
yeah maybe, but for today looks like Slaugterer is going to be right, ramp to near green on both bonds and stocks while PMs continue to suck wind ...
anyone buying this dip will be slaughtered. the article forgot to mention, that good economic news is even worse than bad news. ie, a taper even sooner than expected.
Dip buying has been going well since this morning. We might even close green, horray for capitalism, yay free markets!
Just don't fight it, let the free money flow into your account.
America is a nation with an economy dependent on and controled by gangster finance. As such, we WILL be economically destroyed.
I take no pleasure in saying this. God help us.
-66.66 and rising.
"I was only kidding, trying to get a rise out you vanessa"
Austin Powers
3 and 6 month auctions today, that's all. Magic Monday is back.
Last Friday my crystal ball said today would end up about -4 on the S&P. This morning I figured I needed to get it degaussed yet again. Maybe I'll hold off on making that appointment. Exciting times later this week as it head off the cliff.
Edit at 4 PM: Dang, I wish I could find that Gypsy er <Nomadic Eastern European> fortune teller who sold me this thing!
Hrmmmm bad is now bad..... annnnd I've gone crosseyed.
"It's like I'm Han Solo, you're Chewbacca, and we're stuck in that fucked up bar!"
It just means that bad news has been outlawed. The Ministry of Plenty will over achieve every reporting cycle. Rally on.
I'd say it means that hard times are now to be accepted as the current conventional wisdom.
The tell will be when/if the MSM starts dissing the false housing/economic recovery.
shut up and print moar monies
Europe's closed. Ramp it up!
How can this be?? This is so wrong.
No, bullshit Tylers! Bad news truly is good news in the cyclical sense. As more people suffer, go hungry, or even go homeless through the on-going market crashes, more people will wake the fuck up and get angry, to the point where the people fight the "financial terrorists" to get their lives.
But we all know this is the great and global civil war.
fed is laughing, screams fire in a crowded theatre.......... watching everybody run around banging into each other looking for the exit sign..........then flips on the lights and screams "gotcha"...............back to you seats folks......it was only a drill........dow ramping towards green..............
It is, but is has been chopping lower for weeks. that seems to be the new normal. Treasury rallies look like they will continue to be sold and crude is just stiing there laughing.
i dont see anything here more than......
a) how the markets will react when it gets real
b) a correction for now that was long overdue
the fed is still in control......his little ones threw a hissy fit when daddy threatened to lower the bottled formula ration.............nothing more than that......
you are so full of crap and you know it. If you TRULY felt that way you would be giving us your top picks. Cyclicals, Industrials etc.. Instead you quickly fall back on your cash scenario at the first sign of fear.
With that said, this has been a waay too orderly correction in stocks, and I also think it will be over soon. The trend will continue to be down for a while.
The bond market is finally rallying a bit. Lets see if people use it to dump more.
dang straight i fall back on my PHYSICAL cash scenario, and these past few weeks have justified the position...........you might as well ask a monkey about stock picks..im about as worthless as...well.....99% if all active fund managers!!!!..even if were going to invest in the market....i would buy an index fund......but im not.....im content for now.......although im sooooo close to some gold eagles......just in case............
just don't buy an etf this 3% correction has exposed them as a timebomb.
im not buying any etfs mutual funds etc.....the market is not my friend...............
you are soooo going to owe me a sammich......and im going to rub it in by demanding EXTRA olives and a cookie.........when i lost the sandwich bet with doc......he threw in the cookie and a drink..............sheesh......
everyone on here today is distraught to find out that the rigged market remains rigged.
I never said anything....ANYTHING....about a cookie.
chocolate chip...one of those big ones.....you know....the ones that look so impressive they have them in their own separate case next to the register........
We should all be asset managers. All we have to do is state the obvious.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100838070
ha.....i liked the part where gundlach said to buy the most hated asset on the planet.....i swore he was going to say gold before i finished reading the sentence.......oh well..............
jynx...sort of..you owe me a ham sandwich.
lol...nice doc....no cookie this time :)
I thought the number one hated asset class on the planet was gold. After all it's not backed by anything. Am I wrong about that?
Hey when we made the bet I believe that you were the one who included" all the fixens" or something along those lines.
Kudos. The only thing you forgot was the line "We're doing this for your protection."
They 'got someone'? Not me anyway.
BS.....Whoever just bought 300 billion in 10yr over past hour has RAMPED ALL EQUITY MARKETS....so NOW a 'FLOOD into Treasury Safety' is NOW a Signal to BTFD in risk???
Damn kids stole my pocket change and opened a trading account. Either that or the London Whale is in a cubicle next to Kevin.
Ye of little faith, Daddy Bernanke has unleashed the bots.
Big deal, 70 months of this BS and nothings any different...so what's another day going to get them?
The news was so bad, they had to prime the bots and launch 'em three hours early.
In a couple more weeks, they will be launching the bots at 9:30 AM.
Hey Dog, not true, the rich are richer and there are more poor. This has been the point and continues to be the point. Dollars still buy land, protection, servitude, and most importently, BUNGA, BUNGA.
look at crude get crushed under these deflationary pressures.
It's looking like they are trying to squeeze the shorts now.
Margin calls on leveraged long hedge funds in crude ---imminent
Same scenario as in 2008 - FTC probe
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-24/u-s-ftc-said-to-open-probe-of-oil-price-fixing-after-eu.html
Oil at $15 in 6 months or less, IMO
$15????
a gallon?
LOL
Per barrell
ekm i love ya man.......but oil could never go that low unless the earth started moving out of orbit.......................
likewise kito, but what I'm not saying that it's gonna stay ther forever
just for a very short time
'The shorts', oh ok.
If you don't think that a bunch of weak handed shorts have jumped on this down tick you're crazy. How many people have been waiting to cash in on the big plunge only to get burned? Like I said. ...when this thing collapses nobody will make any money.
Yeah, how about fucking FINRA with their ARBITRARY miminum account balance of $2,000 for margin accounts!
I thought shorting was a way for the poor man to free himself from the feudalism, by putting up your savings on margin for the big drop! Well, FINRA fucked that up, didn't they, by discriminating against the poor man instead of just saying 150% of whatever amount!
Maybe this entire financial crisis is proving to us that "Once you lose everything, you're free to do anything."
Well you know that's for your own protection. The 'little' people have to be kept down...er I meant to say "watched out for".
Everything except for the barbarous relic is being bid relentlessley since Europe closed.
Moar of the same.
Funny thing is that all theze girations started when the Fed stated the obvious: that at some point they must stop or else... What does it say about the underlying stability of the system?
The bankers bank - the BIS - says the QEs should stop. What could be clearer and what else is there to say.
So Tyler, you agree with me now that Tapering Already Under Way since at least March?
But can't all be well again? Can't we make stawks green? That's all we need.
The barbarous relic is the only collateral standing betwwen many governmnets and debt disaster. And we're suppose to believe it should be devalued against fiat/computer byte currencies?
World economy....or fake money system or whatever you want to call it is clearly in defib again.
"fake money system"; scans nicely. If we could just get people to use it; maybe as an abbreviation FMS; it could do some social engineering.
The usd is starting to revert back to it's 'risk on' selloff profile. The Dow was down 250 and now 70 and the usd is selling off. Before Bernanke last week the usd was bought when the markets rallied.
If(a big if) that's the case, then the risk currencies should rally if the markets continue to rally. (instead of being sold off on usd strength)
So.......it's not all over yet? I thought Bernanke realized last week that he ran out of invented money. That's pretty funny. He should just announce $200 billion per month just to fuck with people who say it can't be done. I really want a 2% 30 year mortgage and I think it's coming.
" i.e. Fed tapering already underway."
Nope. Wrong. There will be no tapering. There cannot be tapering. Tapering will not be permitted, cannot be permitted. That's my bet anyway. There is no tapering - FED still buying $85 billion debt per month. The next move by FED, announced or unannounced, will be to INCREASE QE.
Tapering will begin once the hyperinflationary blow off has occured. That is the only way tapering will happen.
The only thing that has changed is perception - nothing more.
It isn't all fixed yet. For PMs still, good news is bad news and bad news is bad news.
All the back stepping and confusion from the Fed says it all. These markets are fucked. If the Fed is in panic mode can the markets be long to follow.
Today is a big POMO day. ($3 - 3.75 billion.)
The QE will continue until morale improves.
Yeah. That's about the size of it. What a world.
Market's 'Hall Pass' Is Gone: "Bad News Is No Longer Good News"
What horseshit that headline is! Just watched Zion's own Claiman(or however you spell it) on FOX talk to the original thief Fogle (of Vanguard) pump sunshine into the abyss. There is nothing wrong everything is fine! As the markets climb out of the basement based on nothing but ego and absence of anything approaching fundamental growth. What the FUCK is gowing on?! Don't the US markets, in at least some minimal way, need to reflect the foreign markets? The illusion is gone for the rest of us!!!!