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17 Signs That Most Americans Will Be Wiped Out By The Coming Economic Collapse

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Submitted by Michael Snyder of The Economic Collapse blog,

The vast majority of Americans are going to be absolutely blindsided by what is coming.  They don't understand how our financial system works, they don't understand how vulnerable it is, and most of them blindly trust that our leaders know exactly what they are doing and that they will be able to fix our problems.  As a result, most Americans are simply not prepared for the massive storm that is heading our way.  Most American families are living paycheck to paycheck, most of them are not storing up emergency food and supplies, and only a very small percentage of them are buying gold and silver for investment purposes.   They seem to have forgotten what happened back in 2008. 

When the financial markets crashed, millions of Americans lost their jobs.  Because most of them were living on the financial edge, millions of them also lost their homes.  Unfortunately, most Americans seem convinced that it will not happen again.  Right now we seem to be living in a "hope bubble" and people have become very complacent.  For a while there, being a "prepper" was very trendy, but now concern about a coming economic crisis seems to have subsided.  What a tragic mistake.  As I pointed out yesterday, our entire financial system is a giant Ponzi scheme, and there are already signs that our financial markets are about to implode once again

Those that have not made any preparations for what is coming are going to regret it bitterly.  The following are 17 signs that most Americans will be wiped out by the coming economic collapse...

#1 According to a survey that was just released, 76 percent of all Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.  But most Americans are acting as if their jobs will always be there.  But the truth is that mass layoffs can occur at any time.  In fact, it just happened at one of the largest law firms in New York City.

#2 27 percent of all Americans do not have even a single penny saved up.

#3 46 percent of all Americans have $800 or less saved up.

#4 Less than one out of every four Americans has enough money stored away to cover six months of expenses.

#5 Wages continue to fall even as the cost of living continues to go up.  Today, the average income for the bottom 90 percent of all income earners in America is just $31,244.  An increasing percentage of American families are just trying to find a way to survive from month to month.

#6 62 percent of all middle class Americans say that they have had to reduce household spending over the past year.

#7 Small business is becoming an endangered species in America.  In fact, only about 7 percent of all non-farm workers in the United States are self-employed at this point.  That means that the vast majority of Americans are depending on someone else to provide them with an income.  But what is going to happen as those jobs disappear?

#8 In 1989, the debt to income ratio of the average American family was about 58 percent.  Today it is up to 154 percent.

#9 Today, a higher percentage of Americans are dependent on the government than ever before.  In fact, according to the U.S. Census Bureau 49 percent of all Americans live in a home that gets direct monetary benefits from the federal government.  So what is going to happen when the government handout gravy train comes to an end?

#10 Back in the 1970s, about one out of every 50 Americans was on food stamps.  Today, about one out of every 6.5 Americans is on food stamps.

#11 It is estimated that less than 10 percent of the U.S. population owns any gold or silver for investment purposes.

#12 It has been estimated that there are approximately 3 million "preppers" in the United States.  But that means that almost everyone else is not prepping.

#13 44 percent of all Americans do not have first-aid kits in their homes.

#14 48 percent of all Americans do not have any emergency supplies stored up.

#15 53 percent of all Americans do not have a 3 day supply of nonperishable food and water in their homes.

#16 One survey asked Americans how long they thought they would survive if the electrical grid went down for an extended period of time.  Incredibly, 21 percent said that they would survive for less than a week, an additional 28 percent said that they would survive for less than two weeks, and nearly 75 percent said that they would be dead before the two month mark.

#17 According to a survey conducted by the Adelphi University Center for Health Innovation, 55 percent of Americans believe that the government will come to their rescue when disaster strikes.

Just because you are living a comfortable middle class lifestyle today does not mean that it will always be that way.

If you doubt this, take a look at what is going on in Greece.  Many formerly middle class parents in Greece have become so impoverished that they are actually dumping their children at orphanages so that they won't starve...

Scores of children have been put in orphanages and care homes for economic reasons; one charity said 80 of the 100 children in its residential centres were there because their families can no longer provide for them.

Ten percent of Greek children are said to be at risk of hunger. Teachers talk of cancelling PE lessons because children are underfed and of seeing pupils pick through bins for food.

If the U.S. economy crashes and you lose your job, how will you and your family survive?

Will you and your family end up homeless and totally dependent on the government for your survival?

Get prepared while there is still time.  If you do not know how to get prepared, my article entitled "25 Things That You Should Do To Get Prepared For The Coming Economic Collapse" has some basic tips, and there are dozens of excellent websites out there that teach people advanced prepping techniques for free.

So there is no excuse.  You can trust that Ben Bernanke and Barack Obama have everything under control, but as for me and my family we are going to prepare for the giant economic storm that is coming.

I hope that you will be getting prepared too.


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Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:32 | 3692439 takeaction
takeaction's picture is coming.  The wheels are going to come off with these facts...and if you want to kick the this. And just picked up another 200 Eagles!  FU BERNANKE!!

Foxtrot, Uniform, Charlie, Kilo____Tango, Hotel, Echo____November. Sierra.? Alpha

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:43 | 3692482 ZerOhead
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You should learn to be more careful... there is always a slim chance they may be able to figure your code out.

On the other hand if you want them to get the message you could always have Russian Intellegence deliver it for you... no wait... that didn't work either...

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:43 | 3692497 ACP
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Uck-fay the ational-nay ecurity-say agency-ay.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:46 | 3692505 ZerOhead
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Now that's more like it... 100% uncrackable!

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:16 | 3692588 g'kar
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Should be bullish for stocks! (I know, played out)

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:45 | 3692652 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:57 | 3692708 HelluvaEngineer
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Tue, 06/25/2013 - 19:49 | 3692824 gmrpeabody
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Tue, 06/25/2013 - 20:04 | 3692849 francis_sawyer
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Tue, 06/25/2013 - 20:38 | 3692918 Almost Solvent
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Tue, 06/25/2013 - 21:04 | 3692970 clymer
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took my prepping funds and bought a lake front lot. Gonna drink beer on a pontoon boat. (it is in a rural location..)

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:19 | 3693598 Never One Roach
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76% of Americans Are Living Paycheck-to-Paycheck


And yet, another article says, "American confidence at 5-year high."


I thought LSD was off the streets....I guess not.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:25 | 3693616 BLOTTO
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I needed all that^ -funny shit. Therapy. Ahhhhh.


Im baked.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 04:10 | 3693802 gold-is-not-dead
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Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:56 | 3693543 HulkHogan
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A Crash Test Dummies reference. Very nice.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 03:22 | 3693778 OldPhart
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Google translate just crashed.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 20:40 | 3692920 Yes_Questions
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This just never gets old.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 19:29 | 3692787 JamesBond
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Tue, 06/25/2013 - 21:52 | 3693113 Whatta
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Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:22 | 3692617 jsgibson
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This thread to be saved for "a period sufficient to allow a thorough exploitation"!

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:50 | 3692683 Flagit
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if you REALLY want to know if a safe is secure, fill it with crack-cocaine and give it to a crack-head and his crack-head friends. its an odd sort of think-tank.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 01:58 | 3693645 A Nanny Moose
A Nanny Moose's picture the average inept, unionized gummint bureaucrap.

Was that redundant?

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 21:19 | 3693019 Andre
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I'd be surprised if they didn't get it. That's NATO phonetic alphabet.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:43 | 3692496 The Shootist
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No. 16, dying for lack of electricity. Hilarious, a la South Park's vanishing internet episode.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 19:22 | 3692774 plane jain
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May not be that far off the mark.  How many will die right off when they lose life support? Readily available safe drinking water? Prescription medication?

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:57 | 3693545 Parrotile
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ALL commercial Insulin formulations NEED refrigerated storage, so without available storage, your Insulin - dependent Diabetics are in for a tough time. If they have an alternative energy source (i.e. complete or some degree of grid-independence) things immediately look up for them, but how many Metropolitan dwellers have this capability?

Then we have those who really DO need CPAP, and those who really DO need their oxygen concentrators. The IDD crowd might get by using the old ammonia-cycle absorption refrigerators (popular with boat and caravan owners), but those needing ventilatory support at home will be in a much worse bind.

FInally - we all know Hospitals (and most larger Health Centres) do have their own generation capacity, but such capacity is really designed for "emergency" use only - and their fuel stores (usually diesel) are not that substantial, being intended to provide cover for hours, maybe a day or two at most. Certainly no longer than 7 days. Need more fuel - see below . . . . .

With the loss of Grid power, we'll also lose all those nice "invisible" services that you note - water, mains gas (electrical pressurisation and distribution management) sewerage, rail services (no power for points / signalling), telecoms (Mobile / Landline / Internet) and the ability to provide efficient bulk transport - since distribution planning is all performed via the Internet these days for "Ease and Efficiency" reasons.

Not exactly a rosy picture is it - since reliable availability of electrical power is really the "glue" that holds our modern, IT Infrastructure dependent society together.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:20 | 3692552 Winston Churchill
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What sort of cages do you have for those eagles?

Nobody here has any PM's, all terrible sailors so I've heard.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:13 | 3692560 ebworthen
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I'll say it:

Fuck the NSA!

You boys and girls (General Alexander) need to follow your oath:

"I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic {emphasis added}; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

I have a better chance of getting killed by a testosterone laden SWAT Team issuing a no-knock warrant at the wrong address and killing me first then asking questions later - than I do by some spiritually challenged terrorist.

The Constitution of the United States is currently being trampled by the Executive Branch, the Legislative Branch, and the Judicial Branch.  Get busy.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 19:11 | 3692749 worbsid
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Those NSA people are obaying the President so they can skate when the SHTF.  "Ich bin just following orders." 

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 20:24 | 3692898 Chuck Walla
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Dear NSA, I am not a part of this hate fest. i love Obama, I really, really do! Please, don't drone me, Bro!


Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:09 | 3693161 geekgrrl
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I logged-in just to upvote this. What a great comment.

But while I'm here, let me just add: Free Bradley Manning already!!!

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 01:23 | 3693697 ebworthen
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Thanks for that.

Yes, free Bradley Manning and pardon Edward Snowden.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 07:00 | 3693971 WarriorClass
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Some thoughts on the Edward Snowden NSA media blitz.


What has Snowden revealed that we didn't already know or that hadn't already been leaked in the last 10 years.  If you do a search engine query of US Government Domestic Spying how many hits will it show?  What if you add the word "illegal" to your search?

Why didn't China or Russia want to keep Snowden in their countries for further questioning?  I mean if he really had super-secret NSA stuff, wouldn't they want it?

Why didn't the government controlled media broadcast the other whistle blowers on illegal US Government Domestic Spying that have been speaking out since 2002, and earlier?  Why do they want to make sure EVERYONE now knows they are being watched by the government?

Why are Americans so ready to accept this media created hero at face value, when they know that the CIA has been using the media for years to manipulate public opinion?  Is there ANYONE left in America (other than Texas) that can think for themselves?

Will Texas now secede from the Union, seeing that there is no brain activity left outside its borders?


Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:14 | 3694084 TuPhat
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This Texan thanks you for the compliment.  I only wish all Texans could think and that we would secede.  "They" wouldn't allow that however.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 04:29 | 3705698 geekgrrl
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As far as I can tell, Snowden has revealed little but confirmed a great deal.

What exactly is happening here is TBD, so I will hold my judgment until I have definitive proof, but I don't see any reason why I should jump to the same conclusions as you have.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:33 | 3692642 Max Cynical
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A friend ordered a monster box of Silver Eagles from Tulving. He just received it today...5 weeks later.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:43 | 3692668 Room 101
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5 weeks?  There are other dealers out there:


Tue, 06/25/2013 - 19:19 | 3692769 koaj
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i ordered may 19th, got them june 5th...2+ weeks for a smaller order


prices through the floor yet not a physical piece to be found

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:28 | 3693460 Prometheus418
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I'll confirm that there is a similar situation with Gainesville Coin.  Not quite as extreme, but close enough for .gov work.  

Last order took three weeks, and some correspondance.  It wasn't until I questioned whether or not they actually had the metal, and suggested that they settle my order with cash equivalent + 50% default fee that they sent it out.

They claim it was lack of shipping personnel, but that seems kind of unlikely given the current situation.

That being said, I would still endorse them as a reputable dealer.  They're BS'ing hard right now, but with the rediculously low spot price, I don't blame them for fudging a little to stay afloat through this- I'd do it myself, in that position. 

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 19:51 | 3692828 ncdirtdigger
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Odd. He used to get it to you within 10 days

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 20:25 | 3692887 Car 54 Where Are U
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I know a small US miner that has 1-10troy oz gold bullion and bars, assay certified, numbered and 99.95% pure. 190oz per month available. 5% below NY spot. Ships anywhere in the world. The Refiner will even purchase back at 1% below... So 4% per month profit regardless what the price is. Pretty slick.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 21:06 | 3692975 espirit
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linky, linky.

Put up or shut up. This is Fight Club.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 13:07 | 3695633 Car 54 Where Are U
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Contact me at Happy to fill you in and provide the contact point.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 21:14 | 3693000 chamaflauge
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I am ready to buy immediately...Can you give me his contact? can we talk?

MY skype is: chamaflauge2278

Im living in shanghai and I have a buyor from Germany who desperately needs to get his hands on some gold...but we can't trust none  of the ghanian and Nigerian gold he's afraid to push the button.


Hit me up asap and lets talk

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:30 | 3692443 fonzannoon
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"The vast majority of Americans are going to be absolutely blindsided by what is coming.  They don't understand how our financial system works, they don't understand how vulnerable it is, and most of them blindly trust that our leaders know exactly what they are doing and that they will be able to fix our problems."

I totally disagree. Everyone I know agrees a shitstorm is coming and we are all fucked. "But there is nothing we can do about it"...."and it's a few years away yet"....

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:37 | 3692471 SKY85hawk
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Well, we're not completly helpless.  Look at the charts for ERY(short Energy) FAZ (short financial) for summer 2011 & 2012.

Not saying the timing is exact, but if corrections happened in the summer last 2 years  .    .      .

Something to think about.   Btw, my positions are all in a ROTH Ira, THINK!


Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:23 | 3692618 Tom Servo
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Careful holding FAZ overnight, i know many a man (myself included) who has been blowtorched on that fine "instrument"...


Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:38 | 3692478 Truther
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Sure.....and bernancke is my bitch.

Wake the fuck up dude

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:39 | 3692484 Totentänzerlied
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Sounds like sampling bias. The only person I know with any inkling of a clue is a former economist turned commercial farmer - not American, either.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:06 | 3692558 Winston Smith 2009
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Agreed.  All ya' gotta' do is look at current headlines like this:

Consumer confidence surges to five-year high,0,7966105.story

Absolutely clueless...

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:23 | 3692616 g'kar
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Yup.... but you'd be confident too if you were drawing $50k-$60k of government teet.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:58 | 3692709 Hmmmmm
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That would be the kitchen help.


Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:20 | 3692603 Al Huxley
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There's far too much quality programming on the TV, and far too much catch-up to do on social media for it to be possible that a disaster is pending.  Maybe once everybody gets caught up on their tweets and status updates, or in a break between seasons of Hells Kitchen or DWTS or The Voice or whatever, then maybe a disaster can happen.  Not now.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 19:29 | 3692791 Oldballplayer
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Damn! That is what the DVR and on Demand are for. You can read ZH on the iPad and watch TV the rest of the time. With a few bathroom and masturbation breaks...what more do you need? Entertained, Education, and satiated.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:38 | 3692655 starman
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there are the sheep and there are the sheep dogs. 

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 20:48 | 3692937 King_Julian
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And there are wolves. They are hungry.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 02:50 | 3693765 Svendblaaskaeg
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"there are the sheep and there are the sheep dogs.

"I'm Telling You - the man and the dog are definitely working together"

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:58 | 3692712 I need Another Beer
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Here is what U do - Get some sandpoints and HAND pumps, make sure U have a cast iron skillet. hope like hell U have been a 20 year member or more of the NRA.

Otherwise, get drunk and expire

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:59 | 3692713 I need Another Beer
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Here is what U do - Get some sandpoints and HAND pumps, make sure U have a cast iron skillet. hope like hell U have been a 20 year member or more of the NRA.

Otherwise, get drunk and expire

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 19:20 | 3692771 perchprism
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I'm fairly well prepared, relatively anyway, and even have more than one hand pump, but I don't have a sandpoint.  In fact, I've never heard of a sandpoint.

I'll get drunk anyway.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 19:29 | 3692790 I need Another Beer
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Perforated pipe with a chisel point on the end.


I intend to stay drunk.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 21:32 | 3693053 Bringin It
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One of my oldest and dearest friends and I are poles apart on what's happenning in the world.

He's brilliant in other ways, just not so good in avoiding the kool-aide.

We started this discussion on 3/16/2008.  The next day Bear Sterns shut down.

So, for example, to this day, he claims Bear never went bankrupt, implying it was no big deal instead of the latest domino.

He sees the ecomony growing and invests accordingly.

Mind blowing!


Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:30 | 3692445 wisehiney
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How about the 65% of Americans who do not own a firearm?

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:40 | 3692486 ACP
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They will be called "statistics" soon enough.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:07 | 3692561 prains
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How about the 99.999978% who don't own a tank?

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:21 | 3692608 Al Huxley
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Only those who don't know how to keep their fucking mouths shut will have anything to worry about.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:25 | 3692625 prains
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pack a bag

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:40 | 3692660 Al Huxley
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I booked ahead at one of the nicer FEMA camps.  Got my work detail all picked out, bunk reserved, the whole package.  NSA can look after it for you.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 19:29 | 3692788 Harbanger
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Most people that end up in a "camp" go voluntarily.  Remember that.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:32 | 3692636 ACP
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I guess I shouldn't tell anyone about my BFG9000 plasma rifle.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:46 | 3692676 enloe creek
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yeah baby!! that's what I'm talkin bout. Let's bring tehm bad boys out to play. doooooooooom.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:54 | 3692695 Al Huxley
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...and nobody ever heard from ACP again

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 19:00 | 3692723 Flakmeister
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We can all dream can't we?

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 20:42 | 3692926 Almost Solvent
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How's Montreal? 


I ask because I'll be in Toronto July 4th (yes, the birth of my wonderful country) and it's only a short drive from Montreal.


Then you can show me how wonderful the french speaking canucks are misunterstood. 

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 21:18 | 3693013 Flakmeister
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Montreal is fine as far as I can tell...

Haven't been there in years though. I was gobsmacked when I learned Ben's had shutdown...

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 21:31 | 3693056 Almost Solvent
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Damn you fucking canuck. Come to Toronto and let me buy you a drink on the birth of my great nation!

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:50 | 3692684 wisehiney
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That's what the French/Indians, British, British, Mexicans, Yankees, Germans/Austro-Hungarians, Japs, Germans, Koreans,  Viet Cong, and muslims told my family. We don't shut up and we don't give a fuck. P.S. I forgot the earlier Barbary Pirate moslems whose arse we had to kick. ("shores of Tripoli"). 

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 20:01 | 3692848's picture


Treaty of Tripoli, 1797

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 21:38 | 3693081 Bringin It
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re. We don't shut up

Yeah you do obviously shut up and do what the banksters tell you.

A proud family of bankster henchmen!?!  What a fool.

The bankster henchmen would have no use for you if you would not shut-up, get in line and be a good little tool.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:33 | 3692641 Chupacabra-322
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@ wise honey,

this is why they NEED our guns...we ARE the threat to this govt...we will prevail...our history has yet to be written...our founders were called traitors and extremists by the red coats....WE are in good company...molon labe

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 19:00 | 3692725 HelluvaEngineer
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+1 You gotta climb out of the tank sometime, I guess.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:59 | 3693673 Ms. Erable
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Tanks burn a LOT of fuel, and need constant maintenance. Think asymmetrically.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 19:20 | 3692770 I need Another Beer
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U don't have to have a firearm to survive, clean water and food first, other than that, keep a low fucking profile. About %60 of the population or more will expire during the first 6 months. As an RN, dialysis people and diebetics go quick, people who require meds to survive next, people who spend their time watching television next.

Won't be long when squirrel brains and roasted pecans will be a hell of a party.

Good luck

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 21:12 | 3692992 espirit
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"One Second After" lays out the "die offs" pretty accurately I believe.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 01:44 | 3693710 Parrotile
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Got half way through that and lost interest.

There are other Countries besides America, and since only a relative few were hit by the deliberate EMP devices, then the balance of power would immediately shift to those other Countries, not slowly drift as the book suggests.

Once America is "effectively neutered" by an EMP event (accidental or deliberate) it'll go downhill for the USA and its citizens far faster than the book suggests. Remember US Foreign Policy has made a LOT of enemies, mainly in Countries which were unaffected by the EMP strike. Countries that would have NOT taken too kindly AT ALL to the random nuking of North Korea and Iran, which was glibly mentioned as almost a "throw-away" line in the book.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:01 | 3693365 prains
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here's a fun fact:


for over 2 million years the earth was populated by less than 10,000 people (homo sapiens) and then 10,000 years ago

the population went BOOM. There's no saying it won't go back to 10,000

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:54 | 3693535 jerry_theking_lawler
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nice knowing all of you fuckers.....

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 05:26 | 3693846 Socratic Dog
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Hmm.  Reminds me of something I once heard, that when Mt Toba (now Lake Toba) in Sumatra blew up 70,000 years ago, the ensuing nuclear winter reduced the earth's population to under a thousand people.  All males now alive are descended from a single male alive around that time.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 20:22 | 3692891 angel_of_joy
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"Collateral Damage" by default...

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:31 | 3692448 yabyum
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Now I am getting the fear....better learn how to make beer!!

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:36 | 3692462 JohnG
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It's easy, fun and good for you!!

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:22 | 3692612 snakeboat
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At first, I thought 5 Gals was a lot, but even the styles I don't end up liking end up disappearing quite quick!

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:48 | 3692679 Harbanger
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I have to re-stock some new buckets of wheat and barley, I think I'll attempt to make beer with the old supplies.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:28 | 3692631 PiratePawpaw
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Actually the knowlege to build maintain and operate a still is extremely useful. Depending on what goes in; potable water, liquer, or fuel alcohol will come out. All very useful and very tradeable.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:53 | 3692692 Room 101
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You should.  It's easier than you think and the rewards are defintely there.  Good beer, costs about half of what you would pay at the store and no beer taxes. 

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:32 | 3692452 buzzsaw99
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the bernank approves of this message. why save when the latest i gadget comes out next week?

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:32 | 3692454 youngman
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But when you are in the soup line...they will make sure you register to vote Democratic...and get in..if you do will be kicked out of line...

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:55 | 3692521 Debugas
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and that is the new normal.

It is exactly how the rulers see the NWO

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:33 | 3692456 lemonobrien
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jesus saves.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:39 | 3692483 toady
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Toews scores on the rebound!

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:06 | 3692557 oddjob
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Kane assaults cabby for 2 dimes!

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:22 | 3692610 Al Huxley
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Fucking awesome!   ROFL.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:25 | 3692624 Flakmeister
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Seen on a wall:

Jesus is the Answer!

Below in a different hand

Q: Who was Matty's and Felipe's brother?

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:24 | 3692621 Travis Bickel
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green stamps.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:27 | 3692629 Winston Smith 2009
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"jesus saves"

at Bank of America.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 19:09 | 3692741 Theosebes Goodfellow
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Bullshit he does! He wires it Western Union back to Mexico just like Juan and Pedro.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:20 | 3693605 Imminent Crucible
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Makes no difference. Banamex is owned and controlled by Citigroup.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 19:25 | 3692781 jimmytorpedo
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That's funny, all the representations of Jesus indicate otherwise.

I woud have to say,

Jesus does not shave

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 19:43 | 3692810 Flakmeister
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Sorta like the dyslexic agnostic insomniac who stayed up all night worrying about the existence of dog....

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:36 | 3692457 ZerOhead
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#16 One survey asked Americans how long they thought they would survive if the electrical grid went down for an extended period of time.  Incredibly, 21 percent said that they would survive for less than a week, an additional 28 percent said that they would survive for less than two weeks, and nearly 75 percent said that they would be dead before the two month mark.

So that's the plan then... the Obama Adminstration & friends only have to make it safe and secure to the end of 2 months when 75% of the problem is gone before sending in the army to combat and mop up the remaining citize... errr... terrorists.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:11 | 3692573 ACP
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Let's see if Obama makes it on to that lifeboat...
"But I'm the President!"
"No, sir. You're a tool. Now get your ass out of the MRAP."

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 20:09 | 3692863's picture

Obama: Under my plan of cap and trade electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:07 | 3693158 Umh
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Most of those who can make it for two months are his enemies. If we skip those who will kill and rob almost all of the survivors will be against him.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:56 | 3693544 jerry_theking_lawler
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dude, you obviously do not know how this system works. Obammy needs more suckers, aka citizens (so he can borrow money in their name), to keep this ponzi bitch afloat...why else is the 'illegal alien' reforming being rammed through??

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:35 | 3692460 zerozulu
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#18   99% believe American government is their protractor.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:59 | 3692534 redd_green
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I always thought they wuz a good compass.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:02 | 3692546 Winston Smith 2009
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But what's their angle?  And aren't they all being rather obtuse?

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:18 | 3693201 LongBallsShortBrains
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Aren't you acute one.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:20 | 3692606 dirtbagger
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My number 18 -  99% of Americans have one week supply of liquor and we will all just get drunk and not give a damn when or if it happens. 

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:40 | 3692662 Winston Smith 2009
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Liquor gives me hangovers and kills brain cells I can't afford to lose.  MMJ is preferred.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 03:26 | 3693780 Parrotile
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Goes to show - the Feds have an angle on everything . . . .

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:36 | 3692464 toady
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I jumped on the prepper bandwagon four years ago and I can proudly say I won't be caught by surprise. I never really was one of those no-savings, paycheck-to-paycheck guys, but I have been smashed down to less than 5k ready cash a couple times, and it was downright scary.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:28 | 3692567 prains
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well you have enough to fill your M1...once

<---- WTF, 5k should do it!

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:25 | 3692579 Winston Smith 2009
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The reality scene from one of my favorite films of all time.  

"What do you think the people will want us to do then.  Ask them when people who have never known hunger start going hungry. Ya' wanna' know somethin'? They won't want us to ask them, they'll just want us to get it for them."

With a world financial system on the road to collapse, having the least worse fiat currency and the most powerful military with lots of nukes and a world class electronic intel infrastructure is much better than not having those things.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 19:54 | 3692833 Flakmeister
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Why bother with fiction...

Dick Cheney summed it up best,

"The American lifestyle is non-negotiable"

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 20:55 | 3692947 Blano
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Truer words were never spoken in a film.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:15 | 3692585 Captain Benny
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Hopefully that cash isn't in any bank or credit union where it can be denied to you at the whim of a politician or bank employee....

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:24 | 3692620 snakeboat
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Friends don't let friends keep cash in a bank.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 03:54 | 3693792 OldPhart
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Perhaps that's why 76% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck? 

I doubt it, but I make sure that every dollar that goes into the bank via direct deposit, comes straight out as cash.

The bank thinks I'm a "VIP", though I could care less if they crash.  They don't hold my cash unless I put it there for an online transaction, usually to make a payment or to buy silver and itty bitty quantities of gold.  Even then, the bank is owned by the Chinese.

I pay NO fees for anything.  So I can pull cash out anywhere, and I no longer have to make up occupations for large cash company deposits.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:51 | 3692468 lolmao500
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In fact, it just happened at one of the largest law firms in New York City.

Which is a good start.

In fact, only about 7 percent of all non-farm workers in the United States are self-employed at this point.

Which is at record lows...

It has been estimated that there are approximately 3 million "preppers" in the United States.  But that means that almost everyone else is not prepping.

How can they when they have no savings??

and nearly 75 percent said that they would be dead before the two month mark.

Bullshit. In those 75%, how many are so fat, they wouldn't eat anything for a month and be alright?? Or are they too dumb to stay alive (collect drinkable water/keep sanitary conditions) even if they not have to worry about food?

Soon enough the PPP of the American middle class will be as low as the Chinese middle class PPP.

All these stats, in nominal $ are worthless.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:56 | 3692525 AuEagleNest
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Q: What's black and brown and looks good on a lawyer?




A: A doberman.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 03:56 | 3693794 OldPhart
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What's long, coarse and tight and looks good on a lawyer?


A fucking rope.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:36 | 3692470 Flakmeister
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For all the clear signs that the current system is doomed, the real tell for the collapse is when the dollar and oil decouple. That could be tomorrow if the House of Saud falls or it could be 5 years...

Until then party on and enjoy QE and prepare as you see fit...

And, this is sure to get some junks, the vast majority of  those owning firearms will be greatly disappointed at how useless they will prove to be.... YMMV...

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:44 | 3692501 otto skorzeny
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Hopefully you'll be dropped quickly in a fusillade of lead.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:49 | 3692508 Flakmeister
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Projecting are we?

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:08 | 3692566 odatruf
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For what it is worth, I agree with flak.  Most people - not all by any means - will have zero use for the firearms they own. If anything, they will cause them vastly more trouble than they'll help.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:56 | 3692703 20834A
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You are probably correct. A single gun of whatever type has limited uses for mob defense or hunting. But as I don't deal in the 'most people' trade, my battery of firearms (and the friends, loved ones and neighbors who have agreed to man them) have already proven their worth. I have venison in my freezer right now. And last night I ate tasty rabbit stew with veggies canned from last years garden. The chickens are safe in their deluxe coop. And 16 guinea fowl are about to be loosed on the ticks and give a noisy warning when anyone or thing arrives on my property. Next summer I'll add some feeder pigs. When I gave myself a bad cut on my finger a month ago, I put in 12 stitches myself and skipped the doctor visit. My home is my bug out location. But if I have to fly, I'm fairly ready for that, too. Funny thing is, I don't really consider myself a prepper- just cheap! And a long-time backpacker/hunter.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:43 | 3693507 JohnG
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"A single gun of whatever type has limited uses for mob defense or hunting."


Wrong.  I'm a retired Marine.  Put any firearm and ammunition for it in my hand and I can quickly dispatch enough of a "mob" to to least discourage them.  Most will run away in panic.

As for hunting, sit next to a tree quietly long enough and food will walk within range.

Do not underestimate the firearm in a trained hand.


Wed, 06/26/2013 - 03:59 | 3693797 OldPhart
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A huge percentage are untrained, lack patience or discipline to sit quietly and wait, and never had their balls fully drop.

Semper Fi.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:59 | 3692717 RockyRacoon
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I hope you are right -- that there will be no use for the firearms.  But I'd rather have them sit idle than not have any at all.   Just like precious metals.  I hope I never have to "spend" an ounce of it.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 19:51 | 3692827 Overfed
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Tell me which is worse; needing one and not having it, or having one and not needing it?

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 21:10 | 3692984 clymer
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lets hope you and Flak are right. But Goddamn, a rifle or shotgun is just another tool. Like a skilsaw or a metric allen head wrench. Ever need the right tool for a job, not have it ..On a holiday in rural east bum fuck when the hardware store is closed? People think prepping is nay-saying doomerism, when in reality it's just common sense

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 21:18 | 3693012 espirit
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+1 Nicely put, clymer.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 20:39 | 3692919 klockwerks
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I would rather not need them and have them then to need them and not have them

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:03 | 3693558 jerry_theking_lawler
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obviously you don't watch evolution...i mean Revolution...the fuckers with the bigger, badder guns have the advantage. just saying.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:03 | 3693559 jerry_theking_lawler
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obviously you don't watch evolution...i mean Revolution...the fuckers with the bigger, badder guns have the advantage. just saying.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:44 | 3692502 Totentänzerlied
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Zion won't let the House of Saud fall, as that would be the end of Zion. Did I say would? Will.

As for firearms, better to have not need and than need and not have.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:52 | 3692513 Flakmeister
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Does that happen in the little known 4th Matrix movie?

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:15 | 3692587 Citxmech
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I'm w/you regarding FAs.  Cheap insurance - just like PMs.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 18:01 | 3692543 TuPhat
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Flak, my firearms will be very useful until I run out of ammo.  I bet you just made that up about oil.  I'm not storing any oil.  It will be much less useful than food, ammo or even bandaids.  Firewood will be the new fuel.

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