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It's Acts of Journalism that Matter Not People Called "Journalists"

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Submitted by Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

It is the job of the Fourth Estate to act as a check and a restraint on the others, to illumine the dark corners of Ministries, to debunk the bureaucrat, to throw often unwelcome light on the measures and motives of our rulers. ‘News’, as Hearst once remarked, ‘is something which somebody wants suppressed: all the rest is advertising’. That job is an essential one and it is bound to be unpopular; indeed, in a democracy, it may be argued that the more unpopular the newspapers are with the politicians the better they are performing their most vital task.

- Brian R. Roberts from a October 29, 1955 article in the London periodical “Time & Tide”

Who is a journalist is a question we need to ask ourselves. Is any blogger out there saying anything—do they deserve First Amendment protection? These are the issues of our times.

- U.S. Senator Lindsay Graham

I am extraordinarily bothered by the manner in which the oligarch gatekeepers in the mainstream media and elsewhere are attempting to discredit Glenn Greenwald by saying he is “not a journalist.” While the powers that be are extremely unenlightened and unwise by their nature, they are masters at the art of deception and maintaining their positions of power and status. Thus, whenever they are dealt a crushing blow, they will regroup and fight back in subtle, manipulative and clever ways.  It appears their primary strategy in fighting back against truth-tellers, whistleblowers and journalists in the wake of Edward Snowden’s revelations is by attempting to control the definition of the term “journalist.”  This way they can then proclaim who is a “real journalist” and who isn’t.  Of course, those crowned “real journalists” by the government and mainstream media will be well known statist lapdogs who would never publish anything embarrassing to their masters in power. Those who are not crowned “journalists” by the state will be hunted down to the ends of the earth like Julian Assange and Wikileaks.  We must nip this meme in the bud before it starts to spread and gain acceptance, because not only is it a total fraud, but it also represents a serious threat to the First Amendment.

When fascist Senator Lindsay Graham stated the quote at the top it sparked a well deserved firestorm.  Of all the commentary on it, I found the most powerful to be the following written by Mike Masnick at Techdirt.  He wrote:

As we’ve pointed out, there’s a simple way to solve that problem: just make the shield law cover acts of journalism rather than target journalists. Many people may not be journalists by profession, but still, at times, perform journalism. And it’s not that difficult to figure out which is which. Otherwise, you’re carving out a special class of people in an arena in which people doing the exact same thing would face different rules.


And the problems of trying to carve out “journalists” instead of acts of “journalism” become pretty clear, pretty quickly. The last time the shield law concept was being debated, Senators Chuck Schumer and Dianne Feinstein tried to add a carve out that made it clear that Wikileaks should not be protected by the law. And that should scare people. Because when the government can magically decide that this kind of journalism is protected, while that kind of journalism which embarrasses the government is not protected, then you no longer have freedom of the press. At all.

Those two paragraphs right there describe perfectly the manner in which we must protect freedom of speech and the press in these United States.  We must see the power structure’s propaganda early on and counter it with truth.  There is absolutely no need to define who is a “journalist” and who isn’t.  What must be protected and defended at all costs are “acts of journalism” not a class of people defined as “journalists.” If we merely do the latter, then we are falling onto a very slippery slope toward creating certain privileges for people that fall into a certain category rather than defending the act itself, which of course is the most important thing to protect.


As most of you know, David Gregory is at the center of the current irrelevant debate over who is a journalist and who isn’t.  Not only did he question whether Greenwald should be charged with a crime on Meet the Press, but he also had this to say:

GREGORY: Well, the question of who’s a journalist may be up to a debate with regards to what you’re doing. And of course anybody who’s watching this understands I was asking a question; that question has been raised by lawmakers, as well. I’m not embracing anything. But obviously, I take your point.

One of Gregory’s main points and the point being made by much of the establishment media is that to be called a journalist you must be neutral.  Interesting, because clearly David Gregory is the furtherest thing in the world from “neutral.”  He is a lapdog to the establishment and a gatekeeper for the powerful.  As Ben Cohen writes in The Daily Banter:

Gregory has been a journalist for over 20 years, and a major public figure for at least 10 of them. Gregory has never been involved in taking down a powerful figure or putting his career at risk to reveal information to the public. Just take a look at Gregory’s Wikipedia page. His career is one long tribute to corporate and political power – a perfect resume in the eyes of Washington’s elite. He covers presidential elections, gets exclusives with prominent politicians, is married to a federal prosecutor and sends his children to the same school as the Obamas. Gregory is so popular with the establishment that George W. Bush threw a birthday party for him during the 2000 election campaign.

Furthermore, if Gregory interviewed Obama on his show do you think he would ask: “So since all you’ve done since you took office has been lie to the citizenry and destroy the Constitution, should you be impeached?”  No, of course he wouldn’t.  So does that mean Gregory is not a “journalist?”  Who cares, the whole debate is a red herring.

Journalists should be protected, but not because of who they are or the title next to their name, but because they are engaged in acts of journalism. At the end of the day journalism is much like porn, hard to define but “you know it when you see it.” Whether you want to call Glenn Greenwald a journalist or not, what he did in the Edward Snowden affair was clearly an “act of journalism” and therefore must be protected and defended at all costs.


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Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:26 | 3693227 LetThemEatRand
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Larry, Moe, Curly and Greg.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:34 | 3693262 kliguy38
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David Gregory is a total DOUCHE BAG.......jounalist???  BWAAAAAAAAA

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:35 | 3693265 LetThemEatRand
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Not that there was a question, but if anyone was curious whether major corporate owned media is in bed with major corporate owned America.....

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:56 | 3693344 SafelyGraze
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it's simple: 

if you haven't been certified by the Society of Journalism (Bar Association) (Medical Board) and issued a Licence to practice Journalisticity, you can't report on current or recent events.


Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:59 | 3693355 Stackers
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Wasnt David Gregory the same douch bag that broke the law by bringing a 30 round magazine into the city limits of Washington DC to use as a prop on his propaganda show ?

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:04 | 3693376 Skateboarder
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Why report anything relevant when we can talk about abortion, religion, and immigration over and over and over again for the next jillion years. Wheeeeeee.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:28 | 3693461 SafelyGraze
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that was a racist and homophobic thing to say, mister skateboarder

if that is your real name


Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:31 | 3693474 markmotive
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Many still wouldn't give Snowden an inch for releasing the NSA info.

We are all obedient sheep. Baaaad Snowden, baaaad!

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:34 | 3693480 markmotive
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“Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed: everything else is public relations.” -- George Orwell

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:40 | 3693498 highwaytoserfdom
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Homage  to Catalonia   moment   guess Fascist winning again.   

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:16 | 3693524 sunaJ
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The great thing about paying attention to all of these shenanigans is that where you may have had respect for someone like David Gregory a few years ago (which I did), he becomes so obviously exposed as a complete shill for military-corpora'merika.(tm)  I can't help that I see it and all I can hope for is that there are many others like me that percieve this hypnotic ideolgy that is causing our downfall.  Perhaps they percieve it later than me, because god knows that many have seen it before me.

Truth to power.  Gregory's silk robes exist only in the mind.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:17 | 3693590 BLOTTO
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Real journalism is dead.


The question is - did it ever really exist?

I would say only the underground - subterrain journalism...where the rabbits go and dig and fall into.


'They' own the MSM - no need to explain that it is a massive tool/weapon.

'The Medium is the Message'~MM

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:30 | 3693600 Taku
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Seems like some kids in HK made a quick short-movie on Snowden events there.

Some bad acting/production, but oddly entertaining.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 03:35 | 3693783 James_Cole
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Who is a journalist is a question we need to ask ourselves. Is any blogger out there saying anything—do they deserve First Amendment protection? These are the issues of our times.

- U.S. Senator Lindsay Graham

Graham accidentally telling the truth. Congress now believes the first Amendment is 'up for debate' and is an 'issues of our times' AKA the first amendment is an issue now because it's finally found a venue to be voiced in the public square.

US gov has always loved talking about how much they support freedom - as long as you never actually try to use it.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 05:43 | 3693828 Manthong
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It’s just a darn good thing that we can trust the government not to be keeping any kind of intractable, unimpeachable, official journal on journalists.

1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, 4th Amendment..  what does any of that really matter in the new normal of the political economy, human action and  relations?

Just ask Nancy or Hillary.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 06:32 | 3693926 Manthong
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 "since all you’ve done since you took office has been lie to the citizenry and destroy the Constitution, should you be impeached?"

usurpers are not to be impeached.. they are to be arrested.


Wed, 06/26/2013 - 06:39 | 3693939 eatapeach
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Why do the people of SC elect this fascist dandy?

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:16 | 3694088 ATM
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No shit. Fuckers like him and McCain are the most dangerous in Congress. With blantant communists like Obama, Pelosi, Holder, Reid, Shumer Brazill, and the lefties we at least know what they are. The Grahams and McCains are the real dangers. Communists cloaked in Conservatism. They are the Trojan Horses. 

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:51 | 3694211 flapdoodle
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By using the word "Communist" you give away that you are still following the old Cold War brainwashing - John McCain, Obama, Schumer,Gore,Graham,Reid,Rubio are all in the same club and chasing after the same goal - its all about power and control, not some synthetic "left-right or red-blue" continuum.

The tragedy of the United States is that it has become a fascist dictatorship just as soon as it acquired the technical means to achieve it - so much for the US Constitution...

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 02:06 | 3693723 xtop23
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True journalism does exist, but primarily only on the internet.

If you are one of the few with the motivation, intelligence, and patience required to properly use such a resource, the benefits are endless but also come at a price (stress / frustration / shock / etc).

The intentional reduction of the general populace in their ability to reason, focus, exercise patience, and translate interest into action, really is a quite extraordinary and massive undertaking. 

You have got to hand it to TPTB. They've been far more successful than I would have thought humanly possible.

Now for the first time in history, instantaneous exchange of ideas and rapid collaborative analysis is possible, at a point in time where world events are coming to a head and the itch to question is regaining survival value.

The ability to form your own conclusions (assuming you're capable of such a thing) from ALL of the available data, instead of simply being spoon fed a single pre-packaged narrative, is of incalcuable worth.

If we can keep it.

That is what they fear and why internet freedom must be destroyed. 

Thanks for the article, Tyler.


edit; Pontificate much, xtop?

Ignore me, it's the Primativo talking.







Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:15 | 3694086 fallout11
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That is why TPTB want to control the internet, and silence the bloggers. ZH itself has been previously cited as "baaaaaaaaaaad!" <sheep> by their drones.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:35 | 3694142 Chupacabra-322
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The fact is that every single media host is nothing but JUDAS GOATS, they get their 30 pieces of silver each week and have convinced themselves that it is okay because if they do not do it someone else will, so why not them.

But of course that is what prostitutes and pimps say to justify what they do as well but at the end of the day they are ALL still pimps and whores, and that includes the media.

Being part of the mainstream media brothels is nothing to be proud of but actually everything to be ASHAMED of. If their friends and family had any honor and dignity themselves they would disown them until they stopped selling their souls for money.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:37 | 3693490 Skateboarder
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I was commenting on the death of journalism. Skateboarder is race/religion/sexuality-agnostic and only asks that people follow natural law. And natural law asks for clean journalism. Here in the 21st fucking century, with all these goodies and spoiled like brats, Western civilization still has the audacity to argue about taking away chunks of the the most fundamental things pertaining to individual freedom.

Fuck man.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:39 | 3693494 SafelyGraze
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just tugging your chain

no offense intended

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:06 | 3693568 Skateboarder
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Hehe, I knows, but I still gotta lay down the word.

Imagine a gay president.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:30 | 3693471 azzhatter
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I wouldn't urinate on Gregory if he was on fire unless I could piss gasoline

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:41 | 3693650 glenlloyd
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nicely said...he's a joke.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 01:17 | 3693689 crazyjsmith
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Good boy Gregory, good boy.  Now sit, here's a treat!  Such a good boy.  


Can almost see his strings, David Gregory, what a fraud

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 06:26 | 3693914 malikai
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If you could piss gasoline Exxon would buy your dick for a hundred million bucks.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:28 | 3694117 General Decline
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Most likely they would cut it off and lock it up in a highly secured warehouse never to be seen again.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:04 | 3694070 richard in norway
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You would need to watch out for blow back!!

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:30 | 3693470 DeadFred
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In order to get that certification one must either sell ones soul to the establishment or to the devil. The question of whether there is a difference between the two may be up to a debate with regards to what they’re doing.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:18 | 3694092 ATM
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There is no difference. Never has been.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:01 | 3693369 macholatte
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This is how it began:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


This is where it went:


Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


This is how it was to be enforced:


Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.




Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:45 | 3693296 otto skorzeny
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Gregory is another Zionist who achieved his exalted status because he is a card carrying Tribesman.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:55 | 3693340 LetThemEatRand
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Plenty of non-Zionists came out in favor of the "spy on everyone because everyone is a suspect" liturgy.  Get over your fucking prejudice and hatred and focus your mind on something useful.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:01 | 3693367 otto skorzeny
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don't lecture me you knee-jerk cunt.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:02 | 3693374 LetThemEatRand
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Don't say stupid shit and I won't lecture you.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:18 | 3693417 The Thunder Child
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Fact is stupid, truth is anti-semetic we all know this

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:32 | 3693476 Totentänzerlied
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Giving LTER a green, my how did it come to this!

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 06:26 | 3693912 Henry Hub
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Greenwald in one his responses to the interview made the perfect description of Gregory: He is a "Press Courtesan".

The distinction we needed to make is between Journalists and Courtesans.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:58 | 3694227 flapdoodle
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Gregory a high-class presstitute? More like a press trollop, although "press strumpet" sounds cooler...

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 12:38 | 3695429 FreeSlave
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David Gregory is a Jew (from wikipedia: Although his mother was not Jewish, he was raised in his father's Jewish religion and is a practicing Jew today). 

What is wrong with the jews? It looks like almost all of them want to make thigs worse in the US.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 12:30 | 3695430 FreeSlave
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Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:37 | 3693269 ACP
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God damn right. Excellent article.

Freedom of Speech is not Freedom of Approved Speech.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:42 | 3693290 booboo
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Ahh, you are correct but the real reason for this fake hand wringing by the approved press is to push for a new government czar that will need to stamp your press credentials. Watch and learn.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 02:48 | 3693763 Rip van Wrinkle
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It is now. Where have you been the last decade? And what did you think Bush meant when he said 'if you're not with us, you're against us?



Wed, 06/26/2013 - 07:57 | 3694059 highwaytoserfdom
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Dont forget Ron Brown. Clinton. Reno. Holder Albright. Oh yea papa Cia Bush and  Kuwait oh lets not forget McCains papa and Gulf of tonkin..    Need we go back further?  We learn nothing...

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 03:31 | 3693784 reload
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A friend of mine who was until recently a senior Journalist at The Guardian resigned when it was announced that they would be doing away with the job tittle `journalist` and instead moving to `content provider`

He said it was without doubt another step along the road to an imminent time when they just re phrase publicity hand outs from .gov / corporation media depts / approved lobby groups and the Police etc.

With that backdrop I have been amazed what GG has managed to publish these last few weeks, which has made me a bit suspicious about the ES story - much as I wish him well and want to believe he is the real deal.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 01:00 | 3693327 prains
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a really smart dude once said;

"control the medium, you control the message"


this was a relatively long time ago in comparison to the problems to date, but nobody listened, least of all americans but it's funny just like climate change

you will drink it

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:00 | 3693363 SAT 800
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Obummer is a real jounalist; he talks more shit than fifty nodding heads on the Knightly KNews.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:42 | 3693505 Dingleberry
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I would call journalists pedophiles, but that would be a compliment.


Wed, 06/26/2013 - 01:47 | 3693713 piliage
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People who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 03:27 | 3693781 Fox-Scully
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Shemp not Curly.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:11 | 3694081 fallout11
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"If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who use the words." - Phillip K. Dick

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:22 | 3694099 ATM
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Thank you. I've been searching my meager brain for that quote for a day and a half.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:31 | 3693234 One And Only
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You should be protected as journalists as long as you are in full cooperation and support of Obama's agenda, otherwise you should be spied on and investigated by this administration's goon squad of secret NSA police, the IRS hitmen and god knows who the fuck else.

Just make sure you identify as a 'progessive' journalist, not a 'conservative' one.


Wed, 06/26/2013 - 01:06 | 3693677 Dingleberry
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I heard of a thing called "conservative journalist" once, I believe.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:30 | 3693240 fonzannoon
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whay are we ignoring this on here, since we are on the topic of investigative journalism?

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:55 | 3693331 NoDebt
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Well, he was obviously guilty of SOMETHING, right?

(As are we all).

Is it not obvious at this point where we who love freedon stand?  We are terrorists.  We are to be hunted down and killed.  Period.  We should stop acting like there's some kind of struggle or resistance or opposing voice in this that may yet previal.  That war was lost long ago (about the time education was lost to conservative ideas).  Teach your children, but expect nothing good to happen in the United States in your lifetime.

It's over.  We lost.  Sucks being us.

You should go fishing, if you get the chance.  Years since I did.  Best thing I've done in a long time.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:22 | 3693443 ceilidh_trail
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Funny, I followed your post on another thread. I went hiking in the smokies today- 5000+ elevation trails. Got thoroughly soaked by rain every time I got dry. Ran into a momma bear and cubs and missed another group on a different area. No phone/internet all day. Did I miss anything? Like you said, sometimes it's good to walk away and let the head clear.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:47 | 3693522 NoDebt
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Yep, that's pretty much it.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 06:10 | 3693883 Room 101
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I'd also consider a hobby that gets you away from this crap.  I'm a big fan/proponent of beekeeping.  A great hobby for the the philosophically inclined.  I ask my bees frequently what they think about all this.  Their response: bzzzzzzz. 

Honeybee don't care.

It's fun and relaxing to simply watch them go about their business.  Ideally making you some honey.  

It's also a good hobby to humble you.  If you get sloppy, they'll let you know in a very basic way by stinging you. And just when you think you've got it down, the little devils abscond/swarm/drop dead on you.  And sometimes they do great for no apparent reason leaving you to wonder what the heck you did right.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:21 | 3693436 Yen Cross
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    If you haven't already read this Fonz. Researchers Hack Into Cars’ Electronics -

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:45 | 3693516 fonzannoon
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Thanks Yen, I have read they can do that with a plane's controls too...

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:53 | 3693532 NoDebt
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Cars have more computer controls in them than ATM machines.  This should not be surprising.  They can shut them down or smack the throttle wide open on a tight curve or shut off the brakes any time they want.

You think warantless GPS tracking of vehicles being struck down recently is going to stop them?  No way.  They'll just track you through OnStar since it's apparently A-OK for big brother to gather all electronic data.  Belive me, they know where you are, how fast you are going what you are doing at the controls and probably listening in on you yelling at the radio all hours of the day.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:11 | 3693579 The Gooch
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And they even did.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 01:15 | 3693688 Talcott
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Another reason to love my manual transmission.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 01:18 | 3693693 PT
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"If you don't hold it, you don't own it."
"If you didn't make it, you don't control it."

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 02:26 | 3693745 IndyPat
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Long - Miniature Faraday Cages
Short - OnStar

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:48 | 3693660 americanreality
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Paul Wellstone, Mike Connell, JFK jr...  

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:30 | 3693246 SillySalesmanQu...
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The only journalist I know of these days is Tyler...nuff said.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:31 | 3693251 ziggy59
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Glenn should say he'd rather be a journalist than a propagandist to these assholes..

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:32 | 3693256 Dr. No
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Guilds, unions, tenured professors, etc. they are all protectionists in this era of the Internet. Do you think they feel threatened because some sharp teenager with a video camera can report circles around their stale teleprompters?

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:37 | 3693271 Hopeless for Change
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David Gregory executes the Alinsky playbook pretty well.


Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:36 | 3693483 Totentänzerlied
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It's their training manual.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:04 | 3694258 flapdoodle
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I don't think Gregory is smart enough to read Alinsky and execute "a plan". More likely he is just doing what he is told, just like Obama.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:37 | 3693275 Atomizer
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No MSM Sock puppet ever talks about the Bank of International Settlements. Why?

Money Confiscation

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:39 | 3693648 Boondocker
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I am assuming that is a rhetorical question...

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:40 | 3693282 billwilson
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Never seem David Gregory undertaking an "act of journalism", so I guess he is out of the club.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:46 | 3693302 Cabreado
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Don't go there, Mike.
Don't suggest that "journalists" should be more beholden to simply telling the truth.
Our lies are of a greater collective affliction, and job description has nothing to do with it.

While the "journalists" have failed, their audience has failed too.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:47 | 3693304 otto skorzeny
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Always nice when Linzee takes a cock out of his mouth long enough to spew forth some more fascist claptrap.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:47 | 3693305 yogibear
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Clowns. The Obama news media attacks this young guy while Obama pounds the podium about global warming.

Like an episode out of mad magazine. And the inept politicians keep getting re-elected. What a country.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:50 | 3693322 otto skorzeny
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don't be naive enough to think anyone in politics or govt is elected- they are either appointed  by TPTB- or you have to be connected to get on the govt gravy train.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:05 | 3693381 SAT 800
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I gwine stop that climate changing ! Yessiree! gone stoppit, I say. No more too hot summer; too cold Windter! NO, NO. Gonna do it for them chillums. Yessurum. UHm Uhm. Everybody say uhm, uhm, now; that's the way. What a fuckin joke.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:10 | 3693401 prains
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please let the mountain pine beetle know your intentions

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 02:36 | 3693753 IndyPat
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Some asshole lawyer fuck on FOX and Friends, Peter Johnson Jr or some such shit, launched into a repulsive little rant about what a traitor Snowden is and how he should be prosecuted...yada..yada...and how he puts lives in danger by doing what he did. All that shit.
My stomach went in reverse and I don't mean that figuratively. These little fucking mockingbirds truly make me physically ill when I watch them.

Lives in danger. Indeed.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 06:14 | 3693892 Room 101
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So get rid of your TV. It's not like there is anything on it that is of value. 

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:46 | 3693306 KickIce
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Good stuff Tyler.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:49 | 3693316 Curt W
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Flexing their newly purchased power, if they can't catch Snowden, somebody is going to have to pay.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:50 | 3693319 Tsukato
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I'm really getting sick of all the bellyaching here, and in society at large. We need to crack down on so called journalists, and even blogging should require a BA in journalism or mass media. Licenses should be granted by the government, and all commenters should be required to have a national, responsibil, identification in order to hold idiots accountable for the damage they can cause while playing around on the World Wide Web.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:30 | 3693472 Golden_Rule
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Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:34 | 3693481 johnQpublic
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Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:41 | 3693501 Tsukato
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No sarcasm at all friend. You think journalism isn't tough? They're the 5th column keeping us safe from tyranny and terrorists alike. They're the real badboys of the boob tube. In your face one minute, then down and dirty with ladies aplenty, the next. They're in the trenches with enough panache to put an English gentlan to shame. So show a little respect bitches.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 03:48 | 3693790 ebear
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"No sarcasm at all friend."

Troll, then?

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:02 | 3693554 BeetleBailey
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WOW....asinine.....truly.....let the government "grant" licenses?

Are you drinking out of the toilet? the local Choke & Puke???

Fuck right the fuck off, you Bolshevik collectivist assbag

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:27 | 3693624 Tsukato
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I'd rather be getting my news from gentlemen, than from low brow types such as yourself. Reminds me of last year I met that beck guy and Dennis miller at the hooters near the American consulate in chengdu. Those guys were a class act, like dean Martin and Sammy Davis. They left with the 3 hottest waitresses in the place! I high 5ed them on their way out the door. Class acts.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 02:30 | 3693750 Tsukato
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Hey beetle bailey, I had a run in with you last year. Still suffering from that PTSD? Haha! Yeah, a person like you should be dishing op-eds to the American public! Woohoo! That's rich! Don't you have a haji that needs murdering fuckstick? Being that you mirdered people for the same assholes that destroyed our country, I think your opinions are worthless. Go fuck yourself.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:50 | 3693323 Talcott
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The first amendment is clear.


Only pressstitutes, and other money whores akin to Mr. Gregory would dare attempt to twist it.  The press SHALL NOT BE PROHIBITED BY LAW.  At that time the press was synonymous with the printing press, in other words anything published.


Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:03 | 3693324 highwaytoserfdom
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David Gregory  should be fired...  the fact that NBC did not report the sales of GE plastics to Saudis  Pimping.... government media 2 billion to 4  TV NETWORKS..  Where are they on morality?

Now GE UNIVERSAL  was sold/MERGED to Comcast and these war profiteers at GE, Lockheed . Northrup Grumman...      ON THE BOSTON BOMBING FIENSTIEN, ROGERS (BILLIONS IN SECURITY CONTRACTS) sat with Gregory as they ran 2 DRONE commercials...  

Gregory press has a first amendment  responsibility duty.......  Imperialist propagandist.. Drones on US NSA spying,   It may be me but what happened to thou shall not kill. bear false witness..    There is an abundance of Seditious Libel and it is not SNOWDEN  or Greenwald.. 

I called Comcast today to ask Gregory be fired....DEMAND AN APOLOGY...    is the email  let Comcast NBC universal know you will boycott advertisers/use other studios  what ever... don't watch...  

These guys only understand money and power......  don't spend it on people who support  this mess.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 06:19 | 3693899 Room 101
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A boycott is useless. Best case scenario is you change the behavior in some meaningless way for a day or two.  And remember: these fuckers thrive on contrived and scripted conflict. 

Do one better: pledge to stop watching TV at all and work to convince others to do the same.  If the medium is the message then rejecting the medium is the best way to say Fuck You.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:51 | 3693326 Atomizer
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Issa Issues Benghazi Subpoenas to State Department

This is how the NSA leaker will hang the suspected administration in overstepping the US constitutional laws.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 02:45 | 3693761 IndyPat
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Kinda hard to have an investigation when the investigators are bugged six ways to Sunday, don't ya think?
Kinda hard to run a campaign for election too, now that I think about it. No wonder any opposition is so easily co opted.
We need to get smart, fast! And lo- tech.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:52 | 3693330 booboo
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The Federalist papers were published anonymously by "Publius" in order to remove the writers from the words written so that the subject of the debate could remain the focus and not the person writing. Something the Tylers understand, and something that the press should appreciate for that very reason but they can't. Now it is all about the stred creds of the writer and their pedigree.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 22:58 | 3693353 Divine Wind
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David Gregory is as much of a journalist as the talking heads on CNBS.



Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:11 | 3693406 Dapper Dan
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"Journalists" - in the same way that vending machines are "chefs".

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:17 | 3694306 Max Hunter
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That video was a classic defination of "having your ass handed to you"..   DG is not a journalist.. he's a corporate prostitute..

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:02 | 3693370 taketheredpill
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Most Americans believe, and will be told, that the First Amendment guarantees Freedom of Speech.  In actual practice, the Supreme Court interpretation is that there shall be "no prior restraint".   Which means that in the U.S. you are free to say anything you want.  And after you say it, the Government is free to lock you up.


Not sure if this is relevent to the discussion.  Just something I heard a year ago and thought was interesting.


I'm assuming that if I said something bad in Canada the U.S. could kidnap me.  Or render (it's still called rendition down there right?) me unto whomever is in charge.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:36 | 3693484 highwaytoserfdom
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We have seceret courts...   You know Dean Wormer  from Animal House (movie) double secret probation..   

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:07 | 3693387 sbenard
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Last I checked the 1st Amendment wasn't just for "journalists". It's for EVERYONE!

Tell that to Lindsey Lohan Graham!

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:20 | 3693603 Black Swan 9
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I was just about to comment on that..

"Who is a journalist is a question we need to ask ourselves. Is any blogger out there saying anything—do they deserve First Amendment protection? These are the issues of our times."

- U.S. Senator Lindsay Graham

I wonder if he realized what he said? Or anyone in the MSM?

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:08 | 3693391 e_goldstein
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This one is easy. If they are still alive, and on tv, they are not journalists.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:11 | 3693407 2discern
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Lets define CONgress (either house) CORRUPTOCRATS. Now that the definition is clear, Mr. Graham please go to jail and do not collect the millions $ paid by lobbyist that you collect by punishing the citizens who at one time trusted you and voted (by mistake) you into the Senate. There is not ONE CONgress member with integrity.

ALL of them are oath breakers. They neither uphold or defend the Constituion. Despicable liars. The liar-in-chief, forger, fraud, ID thief barry soetero has amassed his minions at every branch and agency of government to pilfer the remaining (meager) income of hard working citizens. Of course, his puppet role is well orchestrated by powers unseen but known as coercive tyrants.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:15 | 3693415 JFKFC
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"Who is a journalist is a question we need to ask ourselves. Is any blogger out there saying anything—do they deserve First Amendment protection? These are the issues of our times."
- U.S. Senator Lindsay Graham

Shouldn't we have seen this coming since the advent of "free speech zones" circa the 2004 election season.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:53 | 3693521 ebworthen
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Dear Lindsay Graham.

I deserve First Amendment protection YOU FUCKING PUSSY!!!

Go fuck yourself you worthless piece of shit.  The nearest tree and a length of rope is too good for your sorry corpse and vapid soul.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 01:05 | 3693676 SillySalesmanQu...
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+ 1000

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:22 | 3693611 Black Swan 9
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Free speech cages.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:22 | 3693612 Black Swan 9
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Free speech cages.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:25 | 3693619 Black Swan 9
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Free speech cages.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:20 | 3694097 fallout11
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Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:27 | 3693457 FiatFapper
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Stupid cuntish questions answered with eloquence.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:32 | 3693477 tony bonn
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edward snowden is the last american hero....the nazi high command ruled by feinstein, soetoro, mccain, chambliss, and other assorted dyed in the wool nazis will murder him, but snowden is a patriot of the highest rank....

greenwald is a fellow traveller and is worthy of respect.....the newsfakers in the cia controlled press/media can suck donkey dick....they are deceitful, vicious liars....all of them are liars and whores of satan...

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 01:21 | 3693694 Manipuflation
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This post tingles my senses.  Really?  Edward Snowden is the last american hero.  So no more american heroes at all?  We are out of stock?

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 03:57 | 3693795 ebear
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Backordered, like everything else of value.  6 to 8 weeks for delivery.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:01 | 3693514 ebworthen
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David Gregory is not a journalist; and the same is true for most of the MSM "journalists".

I am more of a jounalist that any of the milk-toast pussy footers on the T.V. and the Twitter and the Inter-webs.

Fuck you mother fuckers; do your fucking job or GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY!  Grow some balls or some tits and DO YOUR FUCKING JOB!


Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:04 | 3693562 BeetleBailey
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I like the way you......emote

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:46 | 3693517 q99x2
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NDAA David Gregory for acts of treason.

To stop the incitement of a revolution by banking crimes many independent agencies within the FEDs have both the autonomy and the legal authority to remove the criminal elements such as the obstruction of justice by Eric Holder preemptively. As the corrupt lawlessness of the FEDs causes increasing fractures within the system I would not be surprised to see some actual moral justice come to the front. When you think about it the globalists have nothing to benefit from rampant lawlessness because it means their shield of defense is eroding as well as their global clout.

Things are getting interesting.

Tue, 06/25/2013 - 23:57 | 3693546 disabledvet
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Supreme Court should issue a statement signed by all nine members of the Court a "warrant for Edward Snowden to be taken into protective custody" and then respectfully request that the Russian FSB and Prime Minister Putin have the FSB turn him over to the US Marshals "so he can get a fair hearing in a real Court." and obviously a chance to explain himself. should any other members of the Government wish to come before the Court to explain themselves obviously the Court has always represented an open forum upon which matters of law...and State...are to be discussed. insodoing the Democratic process AND the rule of law can be upheld. if something comes up then obviously the Supreme Court itself can start demanding answers relative to the FISA court's and "secret prisons" and all the rest. it's not like the other branches of Government are becoming any more popular here....

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:18 | 3693563 newworldorder
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Most of the current crop of "journalists" that ply their trade on major US networks are merely "news readers." Their opinions are neither neutral or designed to inform the listener. David Gregory is one of the most pompous readers giving us his opinions as if they were pearls of his wisdon. . He has not made a "wave" of any kind since he was having his bath as a baby.

Other than selected internet news organizations, I have stopped visiting any traditional news channels and their brethren on cable.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:08 | 3693572 Totentänzerlied
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Journalists are employed by media companies, which long ago joined the ranks of the rentier class, well before the Internet began to threaten their businness model.

Everyone with credentials is a rentier these days. That's kinda the whole fucking point. Make everyone beholden to the state, make the state an integral component of every aspect of human existence.

It's a hell of a lot easier, safer, and more profitable to do fake journalism - parrot talking points, conduct scripted interviews, lie - than real journalism. What does this tell me? The media has been effectively nationalized. The media exists to promote the rulers' agenda. The market for fake journalism is large, but heavily subsidized by the government, and relies on emotional manipulation to attract and keep its audience. The market for real journalism is vanishingly small, it can hardly even support the overhead of independent bloggers.

The market will decide, if the state lets it - and if it feels like it. So we have two things going on: the state, in cooperation with the large media conglomerates, protecting their business interests, erecting entry barriers, mud-slinging, etc. The standard playbook for cartels. But, more disturbingly, most people who could otherwise help starve this beast and support alternatives, simply don't care - the market is not asserting itself against the state in developing alternate media. There is no market for truthful reporting, for myriad psychological reasons, and more importantly, because it costs people little to believe that fake journalism is real journalism. Quality has a price, and most don't wish to pay, particularly when they don't want the thing in the first place...

And THAT is why we are well and truly doomed. Truth doesn't promote itself, it has to be sought, seeking has a cost, and the return may be negative.

PS: Nobody should be surprised that journalists can be bought. That would be born of sheer ignorance of history. It's just a job, and they're just people. Pravda was taken seriously by millions for how many decades? And the academics who should be promoting journalistic freedom and integrity... theyve all been bought too, that's kind of how academia works. They're just as eager to fall in line as anybody else.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:11 | 3693578 Bunga Bunga
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Only the real journalists tell you the truth. Switch to CNN/CNBC/FOX now.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:16 | 3693587 vulcanraven
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If you aren't a mouthpiece FOR the state, you are an enemy OF the state.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:29 | 3693629 Black Swan 9
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You're either with us or with the terrorists.


Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:35 | 3693641 lakecity55
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Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:58 | 3693671 Manipuflation
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Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:18 | 3693589 Taku
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Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:21 | 3693607 Manipuflation
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You mean like this?  Yes, I managed to pull another short interview out of a real Russian and not some bullshit spokesfuck.  I'm clearly not a journalist but I am a realist.  Molon labe.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:31 | 3693634 Augustus
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The special special protected freedom that journalists use is the Freedom of Speech / Freedom of the Press.  There is no Constitutional Shield Law provision.  If a journalist knows who committed a crime, they have no more protection than any other citizen, as it should be.  We have enough of the BS from the special people already.  Journalist should be involved, along with the rest of us, in uncovering crime, NOT protecting it.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 05:24 | 3693842 andrewp111
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The whole notion of a shield law is that "Freedom of the Press" only applies to official members of the Press. It is defining "Press", not defining "Journalist".

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:49 | 3694407 icanhasbailout
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Freedom of the press is an individual freedom. Therefore the answer to "who is a journalist" is: "everyone".

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:34 | 3693638 lakecity55
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My old favorite proff quoted Mencken, I think: "A journalist is an out-of-work reporter."

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:45 | 3693658 Joebloinvestor
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Bloggers are not "journalists" or so they say, yet the MSM quotes ZH like it is the gospel.

These people don't speak out for any principle that doesn't fit their agenda.


Wed, 06/26/2013 - 05:21 | 3693840 andrewp111
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The only way to properly define a "Journalist" is to have a government license that requires professional standards, proper degrees, liability insurance, and bonding. Just like they do for tree removal and barbers.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:25 | 3694105 fallout11
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Those shouldn't require licenses either. Free market dictates that I, the customer, choose what I want in my service provider.
Unwanted gatekeeping serves only the state and the rentier/ruling class. 

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 00:45 | 3693659 cherry picker
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It is all about the truth, isn't it?

These last few weeks are showing us what truth isn't, although many are blinded to it.  Why is it, some can see the obvious when the spin machine is in motion and others can't or won't?

They'll turn on us and accuse us of not being truthful.

Down deep inside of me, I think I can sense truth when it presents itself to me and I hold on to it for as long as I can, but even I can be deceived, so I try not to judge others.  In the case of Snowden's revelations through the reporter or what Manning released through Assange, it was not hearsay, it was evidence, the kind of evidence made by the perpetrators of the crimes they are guilty of which they are trying to hide to the best of their ability and unfortunately they are going to be successful as we as a society already forgot the message and the messenger will slowly ebb from our awareness as well.


Wed, 06/26/2013 - 01:31 | 3693702 Never One Roach
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People like Gregory are just another reason not to watch TV news. In fact, don't watch TV at all. Even Charlie Rose is now on some news-lite show giggling and laughing while they think up stupid questions for Jason Bieber and the like.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 04:00 | 3693798 pherron2
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I was thinking about that the other day, I used to have enomous respect for Charlie, now, not so much. Its very sad.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 01:36 | 3693706 q99x2
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Just have a hunch that the two police officers that were shot at today in LA probably knew too much about the Michael Hastings car accident. It is not untypical for anyone that knows about black ops crimes to end up silenced. The two incidents were in relative proximity.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 03:58 | 3693796 pherron2
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I don't think "they" would miss, so it seems doubtful.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:03 | 3694066 DaddyO
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A well placed miss sends a clear message...


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