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Final Q1 GDP Is A Huge Miss, Personal Consumption Craters

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Remember the key component of the Fed's baffle with BS strategy: namely "baffle with BS."

Following yesterday's epic trifecta of economic growth when durables, housing and confidence data all slammed expectations, it was up to GDP to be the bad cop. Sure enough, following the already disappointing first Q1 GDP revision which revised the preliminary 2.5% number to 2.4%, today economists were expecting an unchanged print. Instead they got a crash to 1.77%. And on what? Why the collapsing US consumer whose true colors have finally come out in the final Q1 GDP revision: responsible for 2.40% of the GDP print in the first revision, Personal Consumption Expenditures tumbled to just 1.83% of GDP. In absolute terms, PCE plunged from 3.4% to 2.6% on expectations of 3.4%. There goes the buying power of the overlevered, undersaved US consumer.

And perhaps just as disturbing was that Fixed Investment, i.e. CapEx, cratered to only 0.39% of the GDP print, down from 0.53% in the first revision, and 0.52% in the prelim. This was the lowest Fixed Investment number since Q3 of 2012.What is worst, is that non-residential fixed investment crashed from 2.2% to 0.4%. In other words, growth CapEx is now officially dead.

Dont worry though: 4 years of QE may not have led to sustainable 2%+ growth, but another 4 years certainly will. Or maybe another 40. At this point does anyone even care?


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Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:46 | 3694180 thismarketisrigged
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and futures go higher on this terrible news.


makes total sense.


at least i got to witness a santelli rant vs all the fools on cnbc this morning. made it worth it.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:50 | 3694184 GetZeeGold
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Thanks for the warning CNBC.


Defcon 1.......someone find Cramer.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:59 | 3694424 WakeUpPeeeeeople
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""If you can't dazzle them brilliance then baffle them with bullshit.""


Used to see a lot of that in the military and now seems to have found its way into the civil service sector.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 11:40 | 3695110 SilverDosed
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Good job using the top post to shill for santelli some more. Can we please ban this cnbc shilling fuckstick? Every post he makes is fluffing Santelli and he's got a few other names as well.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:59 | 3694444 Stuart
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What kind of monkeys do they have working over there calculating these stats.  How can they be off on exports by so much, let alone getting the direction 100% wrong...from adding to GDP in the 1st #s to ending up as a negative to GDP.   I know inflation goes into it but in turn, how can they be so off on that too.  The US reporting is that of a Banana republic.  Add to this spying without judicial review on your own people and then accusing the other guy of espionate...jesus... RIP Credibility.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 10:12 | 3694492 Jdog
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Cramer said "revised crap GDP number? who cares, that is in the rear view mirror" lol ok ok I finally caught up the scam, instead of reporting real economic data, they just made up a fake number, then wait 2 months later and revise it down to the real crap number, then everything is fine. who cares it's in the past. lol I got it!

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:47 | 3694187 ekm
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Dow cannot drop

It can only crater

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:06 | 3694264 DormRoom
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HOw can GDP so low, given the wealth effect, when equities have hit nominal all time highs, and so many asset classes are in bubbles.  /sarc.


Blowing bubble doesn't help the real producing economy, instead it props, and extends the shadow economy in its tranformation of the real economy to a rentier economy.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:35 | 3694358 CheapBastard
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Irony (from the Ancient Greek ???????? eir?neía, meaning dissimulation or feigned ignorance),  in its broadest sense, is a rhetorical device, literary technique, or event characterized by an incongruity, or contrast, between reality (what is) and appearance (what seems to be).

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:46 | 3694389 new game
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printing = duct tape!

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 10:02 | 3694460 Stuart
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As James Rickards recently pointed out the FOMC forecasting prowess is amongst the worst of any body.   This GDP print confirms that.  Why anyone believes the FOMC, there's a sucker born every day.  

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 10:06 | 3694471 Meat Hammer
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Bulls walk up the stairs.

Bears jump out of windows.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 12:05 | 3695287 xtop23
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May 2011 I didn't see Yogi reaching for the window latches....... lotta horns though.

Hell, I even looked at the double-paned glass twice.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:48 | 3694193 spastic_colon
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draghi, front run tomorrow POMO, bad GDP, end of quarter etc etc all adds up to ES 1625 by friday - bottom of november channel

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:15 | 3694301 SheepDog-One
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Gold spraypainted turds is what it's all about now.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:34 | 3694352 aint no fortuna...
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and dow opens up 120... just because

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 11:38 | 3695099 SilverDosed
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Still shilling for santelli? GTFO of here.


Wed, 06/26/2013 - 11:40 | 3695109 xtop23
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And that's with R&D etc credits bolstering the tally of GDP.

No problem..... they'll just revamp the revamp of the revamp's revamp in tabulating revamps.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:47 | 3694181 ekm
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propaganda and only propaganda


Economy contracted probably by 2-3%

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:50 | 3694206 LawsofPhysics
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Correct.  Everyone needs to be in capital preservation mode again.  Book profits and come back after the kabuki theater is done.  Remember, the U.S. CONgress needs to fund those liabilites and rates are rising.  

We all know there are no "markets", but there will be real consequences as governments must fund liabilities or face revolutions.

Hedge accordingly.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:01 | 3694241 JustObserving
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CPI is understated by 3 to 4%.  Hence growth is overstated by 3 to 4%.  This has been going on for more than a decade now.  Real US GDP is probably about $10 trillion.  On July 1, US GDP jumps by $500 billion due to addition of intangibles.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:11 | 3694290 NotApplicable
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Thank you, accounting!

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:25 | 3694329 LawsofPhysics
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"Thank you, mark to fantasy accounting!" - FIXED, fuck all the paper-pushers and their political puppets!

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:47 | 3694185 fonzannoon
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translation - yields must drop

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:49 | 3694204 Clowns on Acid
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translation - QE will be dis- tapered....and yields will drop...for the moment

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:53 | 3694222 LawsofPhysics
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wait for it fonz.  We all know this to be true, but it will not happen while so many are expecting it to or so many are positioned to profit from such a move.  I say bonds keep crashing until August/september, maybe even longer.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:58 | 3694233 fonzannoon
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agreed, the trend is higher. The next short term move is lower yields. At which point I have a feeling a lot of people will be selling into it.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:45 | 3694388 disabledvet
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there are a lot of obvious factors for treasury selling right now...none of them having to do with the taper. Japan is in total liquidation mode right now. the yen is tanking again..."all in on JGB's." that means selling treasuries. china is interesting because if they've simply stopped lending period that says to me they're actually going to keep buying treasuries here. obviously i wouldn't be touching the Yuan with a ten foot pole but "at least they can afford to buy treasuries in the first place." not so Brazil, India, South Africa, Venezuela, Canada, Australia, Mexico...i mean this list is getting real long right now. so sure...interest rates have explode higher...but that's for EVERYONE. i find myself asking actually "is this the way forward? bankrupting every Government on earth?" seems rather odd if true. we can't grow the economy at zero percent financing so "trying it at six percent will work way better"? really? anywho equities are up. with everything else getting slammed including gold and silver. mines are getting shuttered. charge offs are off the charts now. "and still they can't make money." bankruptcies sound imminent in the materials space. that sounds very bullish for railroads to me. i'd be a buyer.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:50 | 3694412 new game
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disa... says smart money in cash and waiting patiently-true?

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 10:11 | 3694485 Meat Hammer
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Many of my friends are laughing at me and wondering why I bought gold at $1,700/oz when stawks are doing so well.  They're also wondering why I go into a maniacal cackle when they laugh.  Suckers.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:47 | 3694186 transaccountin
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so what was gdp without the money printing?

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:47 | 3694396 disabledvet
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Wed, 06/26/2013 - 11:44 | 3695132 xtop23
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Shhhh, the administration is watching.

That is the word that must not be spoken.

Better off screaming, "Voldemort!"

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:47 | 3694188 the not so migh...
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does this prove the QE programe failed offically?

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:53 | 3694220 Bobbyrib
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Only to reasonable people. To the Fed, it means more QE.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:49 | 3694406 disabledvet
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well...we're going to have it your now. does 40% unemployment without QE sound like an improvement? how about 25% interest rate on that credit card? oh, and that house you though was worth 400,000? it's worth 4,000 bucks now! rah! rah! GO TAPER!

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 12:12 | 3695340 xtop23
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What kills me is all of that crap about the sequester.

OMG if these cuts go into effect it'll be Aramageddon..... the bond market blew that "savings" up in remarkably short order.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 10:07 | 3694474 shovelhead
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"We doan need no steenking proof."

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:47 | 3694189 The Axe
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The ten year      sorry      I should have        ouch

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:48 | 3694190 slaughterer
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Bad is still good. 

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:54 | 3694419 Cpl Hicks
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And Barry is still the One.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:48 | 3694192 ThunderingTurd
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Wake the fuck up America!!!!!!! We have nothing to show for the burden government has placed on our shoulders and the shoulders of generations to come. WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!!!

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:00 | 3694238 GMadScientist
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Not true! We got drones, drugs for seniors, and a whole bunch of computers to spy on you, Sparky!

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:18 | 3694309 SheepDog-One
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AH...well that's the marrow of it right there....95%+ of americans deserve exactly what's coming to them and in a way I'm cheering on the Fed! MOAR MOAR!!

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:39 | 3694371 salimmk
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Americans are getting pissed off, I can confirm. About time they start caring about their own lives.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 10:50 | 3694773 Wile-E-Coyote
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Wake the fuck up America!!!!!!! We have nothing to show for the burden government has placed on our shoulders and the shoulders of generations to come. WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!!!

You have just been allocated bed number 15734 in FEMA re-education camp Alpha. Your booking courtesy of NSA holidays; have a nice day!

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:48 | 3694196 ArkansasAngie
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Government transfer payment will save the day. We don't need no stinking jobs with uncle Obama there to save arses ... Including the banksters'

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:49 | 3694197 Obchelli
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So that shows they can't even make preliminary calculations 2.4% what was that? almost 50% higher number then real one.... But who cares when they print 2.4% it's great market rallies . Now 1.8% is very timely means MOAR QE - market rallies did they box shorts or what? And one idiot on CNBC is talking now how great things are... 

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:49 | 3694198 Tortfeasor
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When even your imaginary girlfriend is a sow, you've got problems.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:01 | 3694242 GMadScientist
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Could be worse; could be floating in a river.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:56 | 3694432 Cpl Hicks
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In China

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:49 | 3694199 Tenshin Headache
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Great chart. Let's see what the algos do with it. I don't think they're going to love it.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:49 | 3694201 Lotionboy
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1.8% GDP and that is with QE!!!! It's all rosy ain't it....Yeah and ya think there will be tapering....Try throttling the printing presses into overdrive as rates are going up and economy is decelerating!

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:51 | 3694214 Bobbyrib
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Imagine if they subtracted government spending from GDP numbers..Uh oh. Permanent depression.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:55 | 3694225 Lotionboy
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good pt....defense spending alone and we would be in negative growth....hell let's start a new war...we need to ramp GDP!!!!!!!

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:02 | 3694251 WonderDawg
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Don't even have to subtract all of government spending, it's natural that the government has to spend, but just subtract the DEFICIT spending and we're in a deep depression. Problem is, the rising debt is a drag on the real economy. The bond market will eventually blow this whole thing to smithereens, but the timing is anyone's guess.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:58 | 3694445 new game
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+1 and I add GTF to cash ASAP.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:50 | 3694207 Bobbyrib
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Who gives a shit? It's only the economy. Market Rally! /sarcasm.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:51 | 3694210 CrimsonAvenger
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I still think they should recalculate GDP and back out deficit spending by the government - of course, that would put this number in deep negative territory.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:53 | 3694212 Yen Cross
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   WTF?  1.8% big miss on GDP but the price index goes up?  Stagflation?

  Obviously, I was the only one not on the 'early release list' , as the markets just yawned at the print.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:07 | 3694269 joshdance
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Treasuries did anything but yawn.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:20 | 3694313 SheepDog-One
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Inflation is definitely way up...I had to pick up some lettuce and milk yesterday, cost me $10 bucks!

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:51 | 3694213 HalEPeno
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Apparently we are going to have the first recession in history that is GOOD for equities.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:02 | 3694247 GMadScientist
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This is why you don't huff glue, kids.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:05 | 3694261 Dr. Engali
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1933 to 1938 saw a pretty damn good rally too. We know how that ended.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:10 | 3694281 kralizec
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Hmmm...I wonder what government was doing at that time?  Same thing it is doing now perhaps?

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:11 | 3694285 RSloane
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Exactly. I was writing about this in another thread. The markets surged as waves of wage suppression hit the average consumer. People got down to buying only what was necessary to meet daily needs. The disjointedness between the market and the general population grew until it collapsed.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:14 | 3694291 Aurora Ex Machina
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Yes, but back then the army wanted the investment.


Lawmakers from both parties have devoted nearly half a billion dollars in taxpayer money over the past two years to build improved versions of the 70-ton Abrams

But senior Army officials have said repeatedly, "No thanks."...

"When an institution as risk averse as the Defense Department says they have enough tanks, we can probably believe them," Kennedy said.

[Fox News - and yes, this is the only time I'll ever use them, call it irony for all their MIC cheerleading]

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:21 | 3694316 SheepDog-One
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33-38 like our 666-1,700 S&P 5 year rally....sick of this shit already.

Yet america sleeps on, fully deserving all it will get.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:53 | 3694219 max2205
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SLV down 5%....what else

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:57 | 3694231 ejmoosa
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And yet corporate profits were revised upward....the plan must be working.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:58 | 3694232 papaswamp
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Berspankme give us Moar QEasing!,, that will surely save the consumer.... Talking heads said so it must be true.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 08:58 | 3694234 bb5
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Is it time for Hilsenrath yet?

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:01 | 3694244 loonyleft
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C'mon Murka! Pull yerself up by your own bootstraps! If 1 trillion won't give you 2% 'growth' (used ever so loosely) time to double down! 2 trillion per year moar!!!!

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:02 | 3694248 jpc578
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Dont worry though: 4 years of QE may not have led to sustainable 2%+ growth, but another 4 years certainly will. Or maybe another 40. At this point does anyone even care?

I think the exact phrase you are looking for is "What difference does it make?"

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:03 | 3694253 Everybodys All ...
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CNBC is operating a psychological operation program for the government and this time like no other in our country's history it's about holding up the stock and bond markets. Reality is no where to be found.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:04 | 3694256 DR
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The economic trajectory is still debt deflation. QE is barely keeping the drowning patient's head above water.

The debts of the post industrial western world cannot be fully repaid. There must be some defaults along with the correlating decrease in asset values. The question is who is going to get stiffed and who is going to be able to monetize their paper assets at full value?

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:04 | 3694257 Smuckers
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Bad chart porn < ANAGRAM > Fuck you Bernanke!


Oh...FYI I may have made some hedonic adjustments to the anagram letters.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:06 | 3694267 thismarketisrigged
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i dont fucking understand these jackasses who are now saying we can not taper due to this bad number.


maybe it should be the total opposite. we have been doing qe for 5 fucking years and clearly it has only held the economy back.


maybe this should only re enforce the notion of tapering, because that is what is holding us back.


this whole thing is a mess. sadly, the number was prob a lot worse than 1.8

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:07 | 3694271 Yen Cross
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     I just read on another site that the market is ignoring the GDP print, because of the strong durable goods and housing numbers.

  This shit market makes crossing the Rubican naked in the middle of winter, moar believable.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:15 | 3694303 thewayitis
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 People are spending less? No shit.....People are hoarding their cash to wipe their Ass when the SHIT HITS THE FAN .....



Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:18 | 3694308 wisehiney
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slammed, disappointing, crash, collapsing, tumbled, plunged, disturbing, cratered, DEAD 

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:19 | 3694312 thismarketisrigged
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only in this fucking fucked up piece of shit fed controlled ponzi scheme market can the futures fucking rise on a horrendous gdp number, which is arguably one of if not the most important data for a economy, and basically ignore the bad in it, but then when something as fucking stupid as a consumer confidence rises, which is as big of a bullshit number that is printed, the markets act as that is the most important data we get.



Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:22 | 3694319 Sudden Debt
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Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:22 | 3694320 nomorebuyins
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Red by 10:30.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 10:33 | 3694641 nomorebuyins
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My foolish prediction was wrong.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:23 | 3694324 GACGB1000
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Let's print again ... like we did last summer.  Sounds like a catchy tune.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:26 | 3694333 CheapBastard
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Good Rent v Buy calculator:


Shows how renting is better for many if  not most people these days in this overpriced housing market with high property taxes.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:37 | 3694363 LawsofPhysics
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Location, location, location...

Homes are not priced high, nor are property taxes high everywhere....

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:28 | 3694338 The worst trader
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Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:33 | 3694348 gatorengineer
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suicide by multiple shots to the temple, but at least the patience will get some morphine (moar qe)......

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:36 | 3694359 firstdivision
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Big shocker on the personal consumption number. Who would ha e thought that eroding people's purchasing power would lead to a decline in personal consumption.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:40 | 3694373 yogibear
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Wall Street will be crying for more QE and more transfer of wealth. Rinse and repeat until the US dollar crashes.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:45 | 3694387 gatorengineer
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the question is how would the crash be measured?  its a race to the bottom, measure it against EUO, Yen?  Gold?  the only relative measure at this point appears to be oil...

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:36 | 3694360 muleskinner
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All of the problems with the financial side of the economy aren't going to go away. They are here to stay.

Doesn't stop the birds from singing.

Anyhow, on June 25, 1876 at the Little Big Horn, Custer and his men didn't get to see the sunset.

That's the way it goes moving west.

Can't sell gold, it's cheap and about to get cheaper.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 10:22 | 3694540 shovelhead
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But it was a very good day for souvenir collectors, amateur surgeons and buzzards.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:38 | 3694367 yogibear
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It's what happens when there is real inflation (smaller package sizes, much higher taxes) and incomes drop.

Both the Fed and DC will be pushing for more spending, higher deficits and more QE!

Bigger bonuses for the 1% and wealth stealing is on the agenda again.

This goes on until the US dollar crashes and burns.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:39 | 3694369 mademesmile
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The biggest story yesterday was the executive order regarding global warming. How do you think the new carbon emmissions rules being controlled through the EPA will be affecting the economy in the next few years? THe 2 questions that the media forgot to cover was what will this cost and how much carbon will it reduce in total. I did a bit of research and the number is Trillions, with about a 3 percent total reduction in 15 years. It's almost like the government is TRYING to kill America.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:48 | 3694398 muleskinner
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Plants breathe the CO2 in the atmosphere with their stomata located on their leaves.

One could postulate that farmers would be able to be credited in terms of dollars for removing CO2 from the atmosphere with the crops they grow.

All that would need to be done is to have all plants used as cultivars have biomass studies done and one could calculate how much CO2 is consumed by the growth of commercial crops.

The US gov would have to be liable for the amounts.

It'll be another tax, so it's all a Catch 22 from the getgo.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 10:32 | 3694630 shovelhead
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Send all the CO2 to Calif, Wash, and Colorado...

The indoor cannabis farmers are using it at 1500 ppm for optimum growth.

At that rate of conversion we could all be driving coal fired cars and still be choking on oxygen.


Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:43 | 3694377 nomorebuyins
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Big guys take profits. Little guys hold bags.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 09:59 | 3694449 bourbondave
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Why does anyone even pay attention to these GDP releases?  They are so far off every time how does it provide any value at all?

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 10:02 | 3694462 orangegeek
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The original Q1 forecast was 3.4% - the miss landed at 2.5%.



Now it's 1.8%.



But don't worry - markets are up 1%.  LMFAO!!!!

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 10:38 | 3694686 Bastiat
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Are we tuned up for the next round of state and local layoffs as lagging actuarial net present value assumptions are reset, nearly doubling unfunded pension liabilities? 

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 11:03 | 3694873 Handful of Dust
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Deeper Depression finding its roots, trickling into every corner ...except the stock market.

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 11:24 | 3694987 bullchit
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This is NSA land

You all spout away.

Pay later




Wed, 06/26/2013 - 13:28 | 3695787 Winston Smith 2009
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"Dont worry though: 4 years of QE may not have led to sustainable 2%+ growth, but another 4 years certainly will. Or maybe another 40. At this point does anyone even care?"

Let's see, $85B/mo in QE plus 3.7% of GDP borrowed and spent into the economy by the fedgov equals GDP growth of 1.77%.  What a bargain...

Wed, 06/26/2013 - 15:21 | 3696377 GreatUncle
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collapsing US consumer (you mean populations everwhere).

The ordinary consumer, the amount they spend being so small with respect to the level of debt and the interest that must be paid can no longer support the economy ... mistype there I meant the sovereign debt.

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