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Supreme Court Strikes Down DOMA
In what is likely to cause a storm of controversy, the Supreme Court ruled against the 17-year-old anti-gay Defense of Marriage Act:
- *DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT PROVISION STRUCK DOWN BY TOP U.S. COURT
- *SUPREME COURT VOTES 5-4 ON U.S. DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT
- *COURT SAYS MARRIAGE LAW VIOLATES EQUAL PROTECTION GUARANTEE
Kennedy: DOMA "humiliates tens of thousands of children now being raised by same-sex couples"
Scalia: "By formally declaring anyone opposed to same-sex marriage an enemy of human decency, the majority arms well every challenger to a state law restricting marriage to its traditional definition,"
"DOMA is unconstitutional as a deprivation of the equal liberty of persons that is protected by the Fifth Amendment."
Full Timeline of Gay Marriage (via Global Post):
Following is a timeline of important events in the history of gay marriage in the United States.
1969
- The modern gay liberation movement unofficially kicks off with the Stonewall Riots, demonstrations by gays in response to a police raid in New York City.
1972
- The U.S. Supreme Court lets stand a Minnesota Supreme Court ruling that the law does not allow for same-sex marriage, and that the issue is different from interracial marriage.
1973
- Maryland becomes the first state to pass a statute banning gay marriage.
1977
- Harvey Milk becomes the first openly gay elected official in San Francisco, winning a seat on the Board of Supervisors. He later appeals to gays to come out and run for office, saying "for invisible, we remain in limbo." Milk was shot and killed in 1978.
1986
- The U.S. Supreme Court says "we are quite unwilling" to find a fundamental right to sodomy, even in the privacy of one's home, in Bowers v. Hardwick ruling.
1996
- U.S. Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy writes an opinion striking down a Colorado ban on protections for gays, saying the ban "seems inexplicable by anything but animus."
- President Bill Clinton signs the Defense of Marriage Act, defining marriage as between a man and a woman for federal purposes.
1997
- Comedian Ellen DeGeneres reveals she is gay. Shortly afterward, her TV situation comedy character says "I'm gay" - inadvertently speaking into an airport public address system.
1998
- Debut of television show "Will and Grace" about a gay man and his best friend, a straight woman.
2000
- Vermont becomes the first U.S. state to allow civil unions for same-sex couples.
- Republican vice presidential candidate Dick Cheney, who has a lesbian daughter, indicates he supports gay marriage, saying "freedom means freedom for everybody" and "people should be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to enter into." He said states should regulate the matter, not the federal government. Cheney serves as vice president for eight years.
2003
- The U.S. Supreme Court, in another decision written by Kennedy, strikes down Texas anti-sodomy law in Lawrence v. Texas case and reverses the 1986 Bowers ruling. Kennedy writes that this does not mean the government must recognize gay relationships. "Do not believe it," Justice Antonin Scalia dissents, saying the logic of the opinion points to allowing same-sex marriage.
- The Massachusetts Supreme Court rules in favor of same-sex marriage, and gay weddings begin in 2004.
2004
- San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom directs the county to allow same-sex marriages, arguing the state's voter-approved ban on gay marriage, Proposition 22, is unconstitutional. The state Supreme Court stops the weddings on grounds unrelated to the constitutionality of marriage.
2005
- U.S. northern neighbor Canada allows gay marriage.
2008
- California gay marriages become legal when the California Supreme Court strikes down the Proposition 22 ban. That November, voters add a ban to the state constitution - Proposition 8 - ending a summer of gay marriage.
2009
- Iowa state Supreme Court legalizes same-sex marriage.
- Federal court challenge to Proposition 8 filed, days before California Supreme Court lets Proposition 8 stand as a valid change to the state constitution. Eventually, federal district and appeals courts agree to strike down the ban, which heads to the U.S. Supreme Court.
2010
- The U.S. Congress passes legislation to end a policy put in place in 1993 called "don't ask don't tell" that had barred gays from serving openly in the U.S. military. President Barack Obama signs the measure. The policy officially ends in 2011.
2012
- Obama becomes the first U.S. president to endorse gay marriage, acknowledging that his views on the matter had evolved.
- North Carolina approves a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage in May. In November, Maine, Maryland and Washington become the first states where voters approve same-sex marriage, and Minnesota rejects a new ban.
2013
- The U.S. Supreme Court in March hears oral arguments on the constitutionality of California's Proposition 8 and the federal Defense of Marriage Act.
- The Boy Scouts of America organization votes in May to lift a century-old ban on openly gay scouts in a victory for gay rights activists. A prohibition on openly gay adult leaders remains in place.
- Minnesota, Rhode Island and Delaware in May become the latest U.S. states to allow same-sex couples to marry, bringing to 12 the number of states permitting it. The other states allowing same sex marriage are: Connecticut, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, New Hampshire, Vermont and Washington state, as well as the District of Columbia.
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agreed.
~~~ a single female
We've lost or are losing the 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendments in this Country as I speak, we're being spied on, arrested without warrants, targeted by government for political affiliations, our soldiers are beings used like cheap mercenaries by corporations in order to secure private resources and wealth, and you think I should be upset if the Supremes say the State and Government can't stick their dirty rotten noses in everyone's personal relationships!!!! And that's what a "marriage" is, a personal relationship, and don't start this BS nonsense about "contract"! A fucking marriage contract can be dissolved with the blink of a eye, over any fucking thing, including I've decided your not tall enough or make enough money, or your tits aren't big enough!
I don't believe in state power and big government having control over my life period!!!! I don't qualify that statement with........."except in these situations"!!!!! I want to live in a free market entrepreneurial, capitalists society, with the marketplace of ideas and the constitution as our guiding principles!
Fuck your police state, fuck your military industrial complex, fuck your globalist corporate empire building, fuck your federal reserve bank BS, and yes fuck your organized religion involved in the State!
That is exactly how they sell every stupid fucking program: if you don't let us control it, you can't have all these cool benefits we're willing to give you!
And of course people are so monumentally stupid, myopic, greedy, and shortsighted, they totally ignore the side-effects, consequences, and costs, scream "yippee, free shit!" and sign away more liberty and dignity. In fact they're so stupid that they can't even connect the dots between more free shit from the gubmint and less liberty, more state control, more state power abuse, more debt.
The state is more than happy to buy off the peasantry with useless trinkets that cost it nothing.
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tell it to the FLDS "mormons" who continue to have multiple wives to this day, and seem to only rarely suffer legal intervention, be it Arizona, Utah, Texas, etc.
Broke the law twice this year :)
Why the fuck should the governmet decide who can get married? Why should the government decide how many consenting adults can fuck at the same time? Fucking statists think they can make every decision for the people the want to rule over and they are right. Until the average person quits being insulted and reactionary to the decisions forced upon them and starts getting pissed off that some suit wearing pedophile douchebag thinks they know how to run other peoples lives I have absolutely no hope for this country.
Not necessrily directing this at you Cult as I read your comment more as a statement than anything else, just seemed like an appropriate place for me to vent this morning.
You can fuck whoever (or whatever) you want (unless you go and fuck a monkey and piss off animal rights groups and violate federal wildlife protection laws).
The issue is marriage (a legal contract).
Monkeys can be mean, if I pissed one off I would worry more about it ripping my face off than some tree hugging whiny bitches.
Consenting Human beings have the ability and right to enter into contracts with each other in whatever choose on terms they agree upon.
Rescind those lawyer layoffs pronto. We got some new pre-nup contracts to write.
Fucking world has gone full retard. Whatever is coming, we as a species deserve it.
Humans can be mean and brutal also (a more dangerous creature than a monkey).
absolutely.
marriage is not a contract... it is a covenant, atleast in the traditional terms.... get your shit straight
Marriage IS a legal contract between people called spouses that establishes rights and obligations.
If the state is a party to this contract, or has jurisdiction over it, then something is very, very wrong. I don't know why that's so hard to understand.
That is how the state gets it power. You think contracts can't be arbitrated by anything other than a state legal court? History says otherwise. But e state doesn't tolerate competition.
Make you choice, slaves: what works, or what sounds good.
Go tell that to the kids, you a-hole.
"No Billy, Mommy and I just have a contract so I can severe it whenever I want and hand you over to your true custodian (the State) whenever I want."
Sometimes I am amazed that you people are this dense and don't see the destructive nature of these moves. But then I just have to remind myself that you are all part of the cult of lunatics that have taken control and will need to be culled when the time comes.
Denying the state's ACTUAL involvement in the whole affair doesn't seem helpful. Whether they should be involved is a different question.
Why should marriage be limited to people who have sex with each other? Brothers and sisters as well as others have a right to equal protection inder the law. Individuals do as well. Just because I'm single doesn't mean I can't call myself a marriage.
Rights should be the same for human beings period. When you are talking about rights granted or defined by the government, you are really talking about privileges. There have been many societies in the past that would have thought a single man and woman being sexually exclusive and raising a child alone / with only grandparents and such was abnormal.
Rights are natural and are the same for each individual. No law can change that. But a court decision which reinterprets long standing legal relationships in order to extract greater value from existing contracts for some individuals will only create problems in the long run.
This should be the topic of discussion, the fact that there is a small group of people able to dictate what everyone else can/can't do or how they have to do it is the real problem.
The fact the gov't assigns a special class of "married" to people (whether gay or straight) discriminates against people who are not married.
Some people attempt to say "Yeah, but..." when this point is made but then start right down a path of 'logic' that is basically traditionalist in its appeal. It is fun to watch though.
Yes, you are married to yourself and therefore should not be taxed at higher rates (discrimination against singles in this country).
and you can have sex with yourself too. :)
You can even have a threesome with yourself (with right hand and with left hand).
Not legal yet I don't think.
But if you-3 and me-3 get together and start an 'educational' non-profit, maybe eventually we'll see our day in court too!
If I'm schizophrenic, can I marry my other self? Do I get the extra tax deduction?
Only if you have another social security number
@Cult_of_Reason, perhaps you jest or are being sarcastic, but I strongly suspect that...
The next movement we'll see is the legalization of Polygamy or Polyandry. Mark my words!
Case in point: Some TV channel is already showing a documentary series about Polygamist communities.
This will expand, till the rich guys will be allowed to have as many "wives", consorts/concubines as they can lawfully afford. And if the economy keep deteriorating, all too many women will sign up. I say partly in jest, that there are probably affluent women with strong libidos out there, who would not mind having several husbands. Or vice versa.
The banks, businesses and MSM won't mind one bit, I suspect, as it's all good for business.
Off topic but does anybody know of a good options brokerage? I'm tired of paying scottstrade $15 each way. TIA
Optionsxpress.com
What kind of masochistic motherfucker wants TWO wives?
coffee spitter.
Yeah, really, what kind?
Muslim?
Hey look who's back!
No wonder the moos-lims are so fucking testy.
Color me suprised (and reb blue green yellow pink). It's all part of a larger agenda...DEPOPULATION. See abortion ruling. I would have bet a couple of thousand dollars that this exact ruling of 5-4 in favor of state sanctioned, butt-fucking would be the outcome.
HERE IS THE BIG PICTURE AGENDA: Depopulation, imasculiztion, blurring of gender roles. It's all part of the post-humanity future that the most secretive and most cleverly malicious global chessplayers have envisioned for some time.
The elite want to live forever. They are working toward a future where they can upload and download their consciousness to a computer and then into a newly cloned body with HMI--Think THE BORG.
It's very clear to me. Everything that happens, big or small, is another step down this road to a nightmarish future where the natural way of things has been snuffed out and what is left is the great construction of the truly godless among us.
Meanwhile, it's just weird noise and endless absurdities to those who can't see the big picture, but to me and others that can see through the veil, and read between the lines, and see the world for what it really is, it ALL MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
I can't see the future, but I can see through the eyes of the most ruthless fuckers on earth who just so happen to be running the show (thanks you very much everyone who had anything to do with the construction of this nightmarish present and even dar4ker future whether active or passive). I can see through their eyes and know their mind. I know I can because it all makes perfect sense once one has attained the ability to think like a predator of humanity.
There are many texts, videos, documentaries etc. that lay out the end game goals of the child rapers. If you want to know (which you very well may NOT) the future that has been planned and what our role as "the owned" is in this future I would recommend Aaron Franz's "Age of Transition". He spells it out for you. Beware, it may be the most disturbing glimpse of a post-humanity future you have yet to see.
Clearly, the propensity for sodomy is incompatible with evolutionary theory. Therefore, a propensity for sodomy must either be a bug in the genetic code, or a lifestyle choice.
About 5% of the population is homosexual. If that's preventing reproduction of the species, how do you explain the 7 billion people in the world? And if 95% of the population was homosexual, the species would go extinct. Evolutionary theory does account for extinction, you know. Or maybe you don't. Keep up the wishful thinking though.
Burnout's a bitch, man. And truth be told, it took a few weeks to feel sober enough to post a comment...
Kito threw in the towel for a week last night. I am right behind him. We all acted like gold was going to zero and the end was near. Today is just moar of the same.
It's a slow-motion train wreck, and it could go on forever. I'll be hanging out in the lounge car at the back.
Always enjoyed and missed your commentary.
Warren Jeffs: Only two, that's heresy.
You escaped that hellhole in godamnistan they you were extraordinarily rendered to and the first thing you did was log on to ZH?
Nice.
:)
pods
The wifi in this Russian airport sucks ass...
Mormons... Someone has to clean up after all those fucking kids...
Henny Youngman gave you a dog pound from the grave.....
nice one....
Who would want TWO wives, you ask? Well, no 'normal' person (in the statistical sense of being near the 'norm'). And there are plenty of days where I don't even want ONE. ;-)
But, when you get "out there" on the +/- 2 sigma or more, I can imagine that people with a personal or social agenda who would want to have two or more:
a. Men who are bent on having as many kids as possible --> Own Clan*
b. People of an ideological sect/group, who want that group to grow exponentially. Demographic warfare*.
c. Rich guys who want to show their wealth & status. Maybe not so smart in the litigation & divorce-happy society of the US, as that's an even faster way to lose money.
* Demographic Warfare: In case you guys didn't know, but this is how the Kosovo Albanians (Muslims) changed the demographics in Kosovo within 50 years. The women had typically 8-16 children, and the oldest male ran a large extended-family compound, and would send his sons to various EU countries. He'd decree how much they could keep to live on, and how much they had to send back home to the Family/Clan. Total Tribal Feudalism in the middle of Europe. Like in Afghanistan. They went from a 10% minority to a 90 majority in ~ 50 years. And, as we all know, now officially rule Kosovo - which is the native land of Christian Serbians. Now that they are officially independent, they've scaled back on the birth rates, but the Albanian/Kosovo Mafia still has no qualms about the drug or sex trade that uses Christians. For these reasons, there are days, that I swear that Christians act even dumber than Muslims.
Hate to burst your bubble, but polygamy is still a no-no...
Unless, you own a ranch in Utah....
How, exactly, is polygamy still a no-no?
Marriage is now anything we want it to be. The Supreme Court just said so.
Shit, why not a 5,000-way "marriage" calculated to ruin the private health insurance industry?
It would have to be authorized by state law first - I don't thing that's even authorized in Utah at the moment.
States don't really have much say in anything anymore. I thought we settled that back in 1865.
The details of what the "War of Northern Aggression" was over seem to be lost on some people. They are still calling it the Civil War when it wasn't even a civilian force against the government. It was two factions of government having a disagreement.
1913, actually. The 17th Amendment. Why they voluntarily ceded power to a central government is baffling.
The ability to run enormous budget deficits and receive federal grant/loan monies at little or not cost might have SOMETHING to do with it.
Those really aren't smiles on those Morm-moms faces?
Let's extend the logic: Identity is now anything you want yourself to be. A man can now declare himself to be a male lesbian (woman trapped inside a man's body that likes other women) and reap all the Federal/Liberal benefits - and sue anyone who gets in the way - and $$$WIN !
I'm fairly sure I'm a lesbian ... I certainly prefer women. Does that get me a free iThingie?
I'm fairly sure I'm a lesbian ... I certainly prefer women. Does that get me a free iThingie?
I KNOW I have always been a male lesbian.(;
>> Marriage is now anything we want it to be.
As it should be. Keep your government, and your religion, out of my personal iife thank you. You big government folks are killing me.
No doubt. We get the government we deserve.
This shit is pure distraction toward symptoms while ignoring the disease. Riddle me this - how does a society, under the umbrella of criminal sociopaths and corrupt money, stay moral?
How do immoral people take over a moral society?
They don't. They exploit the current morality while transforming it into something more conducive to their plans.
Morality is not adequate protection against anything.
You are right, morality in and of itself, is virtually hopeless. The Catholic Church, the only church, personified by the Mother of God, IS NOW and ALWAYS WILL BE the protector of morality, through its graces. It is she, who holds back the wrath of God, giving precious time to the heretics and reprobates, both within, and without the Church, to give up their foolish ways. Either you are her children, or you are the serpent's. We are mixed together now, but will be winnowed from one another, mark my words. Don't believe in Hell? You will when you get there. Plan to plead invincible ignorance? Well, that will work as well for you, as it will work for the ignorant masses of the current economic crisis, that you heap scorn upon.
"violates the Fifth Amendment"?! AMENDMENT?! NOW YOU'RE FUCKING WORRIED ABOUT AN AMENDMENT?!
WHHAARRRGGRRRRBBLLLL
the fifth? wasn't that cancelled? Oh no that was the fourth,....
And the 2nd is on deck.
Hmmmm. The Obama machine was awfully good at structuring attack scenarios. They never got around to playing the "Mormon Card" against Romney.
I guess that that tool is no longer in the box.
No, all Obama had to do was continue to play the same angle as the other Repubs in the primaries. With a record like Romney's playing the Mormon card would have been unfair piling on...
The Obama ads were merely rehashings of the infomercial paid for Sheldon Aldelson for Newt...
I can assure you that Repubs would play it if BHO was Mormon, I don't have a doubt of that...
Massive discrimination against the unmarried. EQUAL TREATMENT FOR THE UNMARRIED!!!
LUDDITES! I miss the connection.
Next step is to outlaw marriage between a man and a woman so we can eliminate human race within a generation time.
Because people that aren't married will never have sex.
Agreed, Bill should have the vetoed the flawed bill but he was only reflecting the alledged wishes of the people as expressed through their giving the Repubs a mandate in the House... Currently, this is a completely alien concept in DC...
Bill was guilty on a number of occassions of caving in for political reasons.., The worst was when he was hoodwinked by Rubin et al on the Gramm-Leach bill...
>> The worst was when he was hoodwinked by Rubin et al on the Gramm-Leach
Not given the shit stain a pass, but Gramm-Leach-Bliley was veto proof. Clinton may have signed it but the stench of that bill, and the results, fully eminates from the Republican Congress who spent many years, and much slush fund money, shoving that bill down our throats.
Well, we did try to have an adult conversation and look what happened to the place....
I double checked when DOMA was signed...
It was signed by Clinton right in the middle of the election season, September 21, 1996. You are welcome to give Slick grief for selling out the gays for the short term gain of making this a non-issue in that election. That strikes me as how he operated...
Hoodwinked by Rubin?
Good one. Slick Willy did exactly as he was told, as did Rubin.
I'll stick with Rubin and Greenspan with a dash of Summers that convinced Bill to sign it. Phil Gramm was the knife man though...
Unless you think it was the ghost of Nathan Rothschild that instructed Rubin et al in during a seance in the Lincoln bedroom...
Let me put it this way, I don;t think Clinton would sign the same bill now if it was put before him. I may be wrong, though....
Perhaps we can at least agree that they all need to answer for their actions.
The bible thumpers and the proud movement are both religious. Both want the government to enforce what they want. One condemns and the other acts shameless. Both suffer at their own hand. I would welcome the rapture and an end to the suffering.
As long as that rapture took all the statists (just another religion) along with all the other delusional, I am all for it.
The conclusion of God's reconciliation with man will not involve suffering and punishment. Many bible-thumpers et al believe that it will and that is just a sign of their current suffering.
Bible thumpers should have their bags packed. The Rapture will be here any day now.
No need to pack a bag, none required, and your correct about the Catching Away, it will be ANY day now.( The word Rapture is nowhere in the scriptures).
the rapture is 3.5 years after there's worldwide order to kill all pregnant women, and since they probably won't know if Christ is on the planet or not during those 3.5 years, they will probably attempt to kill everyone under 4 years old for those 3.5 years while the woman is led into the wilderness to be provided for, for a time, time and half a time. i can't explain this publically over the internet, its meat and potatos for the mature. johansense at gmail if you want to contact me.
about 7 years after that order, there's a second rapture, when Christ returns and anyone who didn't wash their robes is destroyed.
everyone will go through 3.5 years of tribulation (but the amount of testing and tribulation will be different for everyone, with some protected from the whole hour of tribulation), hope you repent or you'll be thrown into great tribulation..some say the only food will be humans during that time.
Great idea using gmail for secure private communication
/sarc
satan already knows all this. he doesn't know the day or the hour though.
if it is the truth, your rejection condems you if you refuse to consider it.
The Federal Government never had a right to enter your bedroom and dictate to you what constitutes "marriage" in the first place. It arrogating to itself powers it did not have and which, at least in the Federal case, violate the 1st Amendment and Declaration of Independence on face. The same could also be said of state governments regarding the matter. Marriage is a religious institution. It always has been. It predates ALL of our modern governments by centuries (and was often an arranged affair), and even predates Christianity itself.
Astroglide shares up 50%
JNJ (makers of KY), are up nicely.
Typical. Future earnings miss = bullish. *shrug* I mean everyone knows marriage reduces, ahem, the need for their products...
Isn't that spelled Asstroglide?
Once again, the liberal minority strikes again. Remember - tolerance is only accepted when it follows a liberal's beliefs..
Preceisely. Where in the Constitution are sodomites denied the rights to the pursuit of life, liberty, wisdom, and virtue?
Nowhere, you clueless idiot, that's why they CAN get married.
Not exactly.
The ninth and tenth amendments clearly leave powers not specifically delegated to the national government to the states and the people, respectively.
Exactly. Was this law federal or state? Like I said above, where in the constitution was the power to regulate marriage delegated to the federal government?
pods
So, if DOMA goes, then all central government law outside the specifically enumerated powers of the Constitution must go as well.
I'm fine with that.
That is my goal as well.
pods
Where do laws come from? where do social and moral norms come from? Are moral norms just a social construct?
I guess this is the big question of all societies and how they are formed as this what guides our society into what is acceptable and unaceptable.
By what subterfuge exactly did these minorities get same-sex marriage on the books in their respective states again?
IMHO it doesn't matter whether or not one religious beliefs say that homosexuality is abberant or not <mine do>. The government has no place regulating anyone's marriage. They shouldn't use taxation and their monopoly on the use of force to social engineer private matters like this. They shouldn't even be saying anything about heterosexual marriage. What gave them the right to force me to pay money so I could marry my wife all those many years ago? Why do my daughter and her husband have to pay thousands more in taxes because to are married and not just shacked up together? What even gives them the right to prevent some Fundamentalist Mormons from having a group marriage? The goverment would think it's just fine for them to sleep with each other but if a minister marries them it's a felony? I can see reasons to have some sort of age limitation to insure informed consent but other than that get them out of all of our bedrooms.
I guess that means I'll need to move where I charge my cell phone...
Who is to decide at what age is the age of consent?
+1. (I like it when people ask tough questions that expose the limits of conventional thinking about important issues.)
or mental capacity
Zorba is so excited. Maybe now Zorba can marry his pet goat.
Zorba hopes his sheep doesn't get jealous.
Zorba made Miffed laugh with the sudden image of Gene Wilder that popped in my head. Also am laughing over the rights the gays think they have now. They shackles of the state are in place and they don't even get it! But feelings are the only things that matter now right?
Miffed;-)
one of those "rights the gays think they have now" includes the right to visit your partner in hospital.
here's a link to a search with many, many more stories, including a gay man who was handcuffed when he refused to leave his partner's bedside.
I'm sure visitation rights for the goat-lovers aren't as stringent. . .
Why are those rights only enshrined in marriage? An unmarried heterosexual couple would have the same hospital visitation problems. Is that fair?
Anyway, the lady should just have lied and said it was her sister. That's what I'd have done. And if that didn't work, start punching doctors and nurses.
What defines sex?
Rubbing your genitals against something?
Is that sex?
What if it is against a wall? Or a porcupine? Is that sex?
Do we have to change our language for these "gay " people?
Try to make people believe that a "gay marriage" is legit? What makes it a marriage?
I really don't care what you do with your friend, parakeet, or dog. If you have reached the age of consent, I'm fine with it. But why feel compelled to force others to accept your simultaneous aberrational masturbating as normal and healthy??? Why do you want it taught in schools?
Listen.... I jerk off as much as anybody, but I don't feel a need to make the rest of society "just accept it". I keep it private. Why can't "gay" people do the same? Why the need to infect others with your dysfunctional tolerance and praise for what, for almost the entire length of modern history, has been considered private? Your sex life, or masturbation partners, or your method of substituting another mans anus for a vagina is none of our business and should be a private matter.
But I know what the commies are up to. And the weak minded followers who can't lead for themselves, much less think for themselves, think its a good thing. We are part of a group! Poor us! We hid in the closet for years, and now society won't accept us.... Boo hoo!!!!
Let me know how that works out for you.
I'd call you a bunch of sniveling faggots, but the NSA and dear leader would love to show the world all of the anti gay bigots out there in our country that need "educated" . And anyways, you know what you are.
Anyways I don't hate you, or detest what you do in private. I don't like how the "gay" movement has become another litmus test for a person's tolerance of others.
Just because I don't want to accept what you do for myself doesn't mean I don't want to allow you to pack fudge with your buddy. Have fun!
More women for the alpha males like me.
Alpha males..... Thanks for explaining why you feel threatened by this...
Cupcake...
Threatened?
Maybe you should retread my post.
I'm fucking thrilled you guys want to play with each others' genitals.... Just don't try to make me believe it is sex. Or moral.
But please understand that I, and many like myself, whom many will regard as homophobic, don't give a shit. I don't care what anybody does with their own bodies, as long as it doesn't violates the rights of others.
So please. Understand. We love you. We tolerate you. We consider you a fellow human being.
But your actions and the political bs of labeling anyone who doesn't believe your line of crap as a homophobe are laughable.
Honeybun
It has nothing to do with any of that. The goals of communists like Elena Kagan are three:
- Abolition of the family
- Abolition of private property
- Abolition of Christianity
Know Your Enemy
Why do I think that in another day and age that you would be presiding over the Salem witch trials? Or even the Inquisition...
It is clear that you were a closet homophobe, care to add a little misogyny to it? You are on a roll...
yes, you certainly are short brains and as for being an "alpha male" I call BULLSHIT.
So your gay are you, Flak?
I have heard that only steers and queers come from Texas, maybe it gives you a leg up on the Gaydar, but alas, you will be disappointed to find out that I am not gay...
We all make typos, but given how long and hard you thought about this post, I would have hoped that you would have got it right...
It's you are, or the contraction you're...
I think you know the difference but I wasn't sure...
You said, "long and hard." huh huh. lol
Seeing the 441 Trillion interest rate derivative time bomb out there... not sure if gay marriage should be the focus right now. On the other hand, it does give us something to take our mind of the fact we are all screwed! http://tinyurl.com/mem7o7x
wtf? Does this mean down the road that a man/woman/or whatever can marry their pet dog or cat and collect benefits from the American taxpayer as in healthcare and social security under this liberal bleeding heart scenario? I'm viewing this in a fanancial aspect as in ADDING TRILLIONS TO OUR ALREADY LIBERAL FUCKING BANKRUPT GOVERNMENT GIVING AWAY MONIES THAT THEY DON'T HAVE, OR WILL EVER HAVE TO GIVE! Why in the hell should my healthcare/insurance premiums and taxes go to the stratosphere because someones vague decision to add thousands of the most AT RISK(as in HIV, STD's, psychological, etc...) people on the planet(other than a Leper colony), join in the Socialist clusterfuck that is Obamacare?(We won't even delve into the Social Security benefits, et al.) My civility, patience, and compassion went out the fucking door a long time ago when the Constitution is twisted and abused to suit the ptb for their own fucking goals. That includes the Court of Supreme Idiots.
Since tax payers are a minority they should have a taxpayer defense act
So exactly which part of the constitution authorized the FEDs to make this law in the first place?
<crickets>
pods
Ever notice that the ones that make the most noise about the Constitution seem to be the ones that make the most Laws at odds with it?
The sheeple are slowly starting to realize this and only baldfaced gerrymandering is propping up the reactionary elements of the House....
Wtf are you talking about? How do you type that garbage? Clinton era law here. Then we have all the unconstitutional acts of the past five years not done by those that crow about the constitution? I defy you to make a list of violations longer than obama's.
I am sorry, I cannot enter a conversation with a person who is Fractally Wrong....
What's your point - only Democrats are fuckers? I beg to differ.
/not a democrat
That blaming constitution thumpers for the laws that violate the constitution is stupid. To pin this democrat law on constitutional republicans/libertarians is moronic when Clinton signed it. Both parties are guilty of this crap but with that being said, the Obama admin has racked up a healthy list of violations.
/registered independent
In a free country, the people don't ask for the permission of the government to marry.
Go marry your fucking goat for all I care.
Yes, and in a free society people do not expect or receive special treatment or special favor based on their marital status.
Amen Hammer/Fuzzel, they can take their tax incentives and shove it up their collectivist beltway asshole. Ask for nothing, receive nothing from the state.
So you want to jettison your right to your spouse's pension? - that's what this was all about, you know.
As a contract or agreement between a person and their employer, what happens to a pension after the employee dies should have nothing to do with government. Whatever arrangement they agree on should be legal.
Now we can't all go around engaging in voluntary contracts. That would be unfair.
End of days if the government went about doing what it was set up to do.
OT:
So last night I get a letter from NOAA, something about a survey coming in the mail, might be due to fishing, idk. So in it they tell me about how I have to do the survey and they cannot use a substitute.
Oh, and along with the survey, they include a small token of thanks.
When said package arrives, I am going to send that package back to Dave whatever the hell his name is with a note that tells them I do not wish for them to do anything in my name anymore, and asks where they got the money from that bought that little "token of thanks."
Time to tell them to FOAD and remove your consent.
pods
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration? They spent tax money to send you a letter that they are going to send you a survey? It isn't a token of appreciation, it is an abuse of most people's good nature. They are trying to make people feel guilty if they don't fill out the survey, after all, "They sent me this token of appreciation." Most people don't look at the secondary effects ... everyone paid for that token through taxes. (Skipping for the moment the Fed's printer abuse.)
Stop feeding the Beast!
Well, should you die & you're single, dependents or not, you lose that pension. Dependents do not have survivor ship rights. They're pawned of on SS.
That seems like a pretty bold denial of the family. Where do you think civilization comes from?
Central govt should have NOTHING to do with 'the family' in my opinion.
you could have stoppd at "NOTHING"...
Central govt should have NOTHING
The family is the most efficient unit of government there is and should have primacy over all else.
This is not about morality or same-sex gays v. traditional marriage - that is the meme that they want you to argue over (and they know you will because everyone has a view). But it is really about further consolidation of power. The family has historically been the epicenter of that power structure and the most "retail" point at which resources are allocated and trade-offs decided. That is kryptonite to statism, which is why liberal ideologues have been trying to destroy it forever.
The world endures and carries on through untold layers and flavors of "immorality" (everyone defines it differently as skewed by their own shortcomings, so I leave it in quotes). That is not the issue here - the real threat is the deconstruction of the basic unit of ordered liberty. Centralization has never served any civilization well - wash, rinse, repeat.
Certainly, the history of the family precedes the history of centralized government. No question.
Interestingly, there are no histories of the sodomites. No books about sodomites, by sodomites, or for sodomites. Same thing for the atheists. No history of atheism before Karl Marx conjured it up as part of his personal milchama against Western civilization.
You mean the kind of civilization that burns witches, or the kind that tortures people who don't adopt the Catholic faith? Get over your self-righteousness Bastiat or go fuck a goat and pray forgiveness or whatever and leave the rest of us the fuck alone.
Yeah, it's not like atheist marxists murdered a hundred million souls in the 20th century, or anything.
Good defense of your superior morality there bucko. "But someone else killed and tortured even more people!"
Western civilization has been proven superior by history, not by me.
Gee I'm surprised you didn't end with a nice 'GOTT MIT UNS!!'
I've got mittens and a nice pair of gloves as well.
Whatever...
Do you actually have any argument to offer?
Here's a link to the stats on murders committed by atheists in the 20th century:
http://www.savageleft.com/poli/mbc.html
And Hitler was 100% supported by the Vatican....sorry bucko but the mass murderers of the world are YOU Christians baggage....just read Romans 13- I doubt you've ever seen it before you big phony ultra fundamentalist.
OH and here's a link to the Christians most advanced forms of torture and murder. Fucking filth. Christian Torture Devices - Democratic Underground