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Supreme Court Strikes Down DOMA
In what is likely to cause a storm of controversy, the Supreme Court ruled against the 17-year-old anti-gay Defense of Marriage Act:
- *DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT PROVISION STRUCK DOWN BY TOP U.S. COURT
- *SUPREME COURT VOTES 5-4 ON U.S. DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT
- *COURT SAYS MARRIAGE LAW VIOLATES EQUAL PROTECTION GUARANTEE
Kennedy: DOMA "humiliates tens of thousands of children now being raised by same-sex couples"
Scalia: "By formally declaring anyone opposed to same-sex marriage an enemy of human decency, the majority arms well every challenger to a state law restricting marriage to its traditional definition,"
"DOMA is unconstitutional as a deprivation of the equal liberty of persons that is protected by the Fifth Amendment."
Full Timeline of Gay Marriage (via Global Post):
Following is a timeline of important events in the history of gay marriage in the United States.
1969
- The modern gay liberation movement unofficially kicks off with the Stonewall Riots, demonstrations by gays in response to a police raid in New York City.
1972
- The U.S. Supreme Court lets stand a Minnesota Supreme Court ruling that the law does not allow for same-sex marriage, and that the issue is different from interracial marriage.
1973
- Maryland becomes the first state to pass a statute banning gay marriage.
1977
- Harvey Milk becomes the first openly gay elected official in San Francisco, winning a seat on the Board of Supervisors. He later appeals to gays to come out and run for office, saying "for invisible, we remain in limbo." Milk was shot and killed in 1978.
1986
- The U.S. Supreme Court says "we are quite unwilling" to find a fundamental right to sodomy, even in the privacy of one's home, in Bowers v. Hardwick ruling.
1996
- U.S. Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy writes an opinion striking down a Colorado ban on protections for gays, saying the ban "seems inexplicable by anything but animus."
- President Bill Clinton signs the Defense of Marriage Act, defining marriage as between a man and a woman for federal purposes.
1997
- Comedian Ellen DeGeneres reveals she is gay. Shortly afterward, her TV situation comedy character says "I'm gay" - inadvertently speaking into an airport public address system.
1998
- Debut of television show "Will and Grace" about a gay man and his best friend, a straight woman.
2000
- Vermont becomes the first U.S. state to allow civil unions for same-sex couples.
- Republican vice presidential candidate Dick Cheney, who has a lesbian daughter, indicates he supports gay marriage, saying "freedom means freedom for everybody" and "people should be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to enter into." He said states should regulate the matter, not the federal government. Cheney serves as vice president for eight years.
2003
- The U.S. Supreme Court, in another decision written by Kennedy, strikes down Texas anti-sodomy law in Lawrence v. Texas case and reverses the 1986 Bowers ruling. Kennedy writes that this does not mean the government must recognize gay relationships. "Do not believe it," Justice Antonin Scalia dissents, saying the logic of the opinion points to allowing same-sex marriage.
- The Massachusetts Supreme Court rules in favor of same-sex marriage, and gay weddings begin in 2004.
2004
- San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom directs the county to allow same-sex marriages, arguing the state's voter-approved ban on gay marriage, Proposition 22, is unconstitutional. The state Supreme Court stops the weddings on grounds unrelated to the constitutionality of marriage.
2005
- U.S. northern neighbor Canada allows gay marriage.
2008
- California gay marriages become legal when the California Supreme Court strikes down the Proposition 22 ban. That November, voters add a ban to the state constitution - Proposition 8 - ending a summer of gay marriage.
2009
- Iowa state Supreme Court legalizes same-sex marriage.
- Federal court challenge to Proposition 8 filed, days before California Supreme Court lets Proposition 8 stand as a valid change to the state constitution. Eventually, federal district and appeals courts agree to strike down the ban, which heads to the U.S. Supreme Court.
2010
- The U.S. Congress passes legislation to end a policy put in place in 1993 called "don't ask don't tell" that had barred gays from serving openly in the U.S. military. President Barack Obama signs the measure. The policy officially ends in 2011.
2012
- Obama becomes the first U.S. president to endorse gay marriage, acknowledging that his views on the matter had evolved.
- North Carolina approves a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage in May. In November, Maine, Maryland and Washington become the first states where voters approve same-sex marriage, and Minnesota rejects a new ban.
2013
- The U.S. Supreme Court in March hears oral arguments on the constitutionality of California's Proposition 8 and the federal Defense of Marriage Act.
- The Boy Scouts of America organization votes in May to lift a century-old ban on openly gay scouts in a victory for gay rights activists. A prohibition on openly gay adult leaders remains in place.
- Minnesota, Rhode Island and Delaware in May become the latest U.S. states to allow same-sex couples to marry, bringing to 12 the number of states permitting it. The other states allowing same sex marriage are: Connecticut, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, New Hampshire, Vermont and Washington state, as well as the District of Columbia.
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Not true.
The myth of Christian German National Socialists has been very well documented - here, for example:
http://www.savageleft.com/poli/watw-five.html
The 'myth' is 'Christ'.
Good luck with that one, dog.
Here's a quote on the counter-Christian German National Socialist Church, by Hans Schemm:
"Religion and race belong together. German man can only assimilate religious faith and religious thought with a German mind and in a German way. We must not think we can come to God except through our Volk"
That's not Christianity, that's tribal socialism.
"We must not think we can come to God except through the Chruch" is not Christianity... it's Catholicism!
That seems like a pretty bold denial of the family.
Wow, that's a stretch. I don't think straight people are going to suddenly abandon any desires of marriage and family now that Chuck and Larry can also experience the...cough, cough......bliss.......of matrimony.
Yea really...I always said gays should be just as free to experience the full misery of marriage just like heterosexuals!
Civilization comes from the heart and soul of individual humans. Governement is an effort by moral humans to organize civil society. When a government denies the people their authority to maintain moral standards the people will abandon that government. Prop 8 in California was a constitutional amendment approved by the people of California. Five of nine people sitting on an excessively exalted court, proped up by and increasingly corrupt federal system have now overuled the moral foundation of the people of California. This will not stand.
Mormons and Prop 8
That absolutely is NOT the issue. The issue is does the goat have the right to benefits paid for by the taxpayer.
That's absolutely not the issue.
The issue is if your fucking sheep has the right to benefits, the goat has it too. If you don't like that, root against the right to benefits.
I don't care a twit about your argument about the relative benefits of cuddling with goats and/or sheep. I don't want the government pointing a gun at my head to say I need to pay for benefits for either of them. This is between you and your farm animals, leave my wallet out of it!
The issue is does the goat have the right to benefits paid for by the taxpayer.
That actually points to the fact that the issue is benefits paid for by the taxpayer; the issue isn't the goat. How's about public employees start being responsible for their own retirement?
But let's explore the goat for a second...
If I marry a goat and designate said goat as my beneficiary, then the money goes into an account in the goat's name and just sits there until the goat dies. So what? It's my money and the goat and I can do what we want with it.
Yes, sometimes freedom is batshit crazy.
and no arguement with your money... with my the taxpayer dollar, there is an issue.... the continued needs of the few have to be paid for by the many has to stop somewhere.... there is a greater good concept that is lost here....
I do not see how Polyagamy can be illegal now....
Bestiality is a stretch but not as much of a stretch as it was earlier this morning....
Oh I'm sure sex with animals and/or children is up next for the Left.
Don't get your hopes up, I hear roosters are excluded......
Btw, I agree
Maybe even child animals
Sure. Sure. Marry your goat.
It is just that under ObamaCare, I will have to pay for your dick replacement after it rots off from whatever exotic bacterium inhabits your spouse.
Is it the part about "full faith and credit?"
<sarc>
Fox news will be interesting to watch today.
Naw, better not to waste your time. Simply wait for the highlight reel on the Daily Show...
So you ARE a fan of leftwing media prostitutes like Stewart and his ilk.
I find him funny, what can I say... It is a comedy show after all...
Besides, show me one other show that skewers the MSM news as evenly handed as he does... Fox, MSNBC, CNN all feel his sting...
And lets not forget he was he only one to take CNBC and Cramer to task, not to mention Tucker Carlson and CNN many years ago...
Got rid of my cable in 2004.
I admit that, even though I only watch 2-3 hours a week (which I could get online), I'm having a hard time letting go. Did it once before though.
Not really. Shepard Smith will take the afternoon off to party with his significant other.
ehhh, just more noise to distract the sheep.
Correct - this is yet another distraction
No it's not, it's a very welcome and overdue step of preventing THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT from telling the citizens what they can and cannot do.
Now it's time to move on to the next constitutional issue, and so on and so forth.
As if the SC has the slightest interest in protecting the rights of individuals.
what?
a social wedge issue, just in time, whew! that'll keep the sheep busy knashing their teeth for awhile. next on the rotation, KIm's baby
This was a wedge issue in 2004...
The ruling renders it to the "populist" Republican scrap heap...
Bill Clinton is a populist Republican? Stop it, yer killin' me!
Bill Clinton ran in 2004???
Bill Clinton signed the DOMA into law. But I wouldn't expect a hypocritical liberal such as you to admit that fact. Just keep telling yourself that he voted for it before he voted against it and it all can be justified in your shuttered little world.
The role of Mr Clinton has already been discussed above....
And you're back to bashing Republicans for the sake of bashing Republicans again even though Clinton's role as the president who signed the DOMA into law was discussed above. That's why I reminded you. Are you also one of those people who thinks that Obama is the Messiah for doing the exact same things that made GW Bush a murdering chimp?
Re: BHO, not even close...
I bash Republicans because of their repudiation of science, displays of overt racism and misogyny... Throw in throughly discredited economic policies, their hypocrisy on spending vis a vis the military and it is easy to dislike what passes for the Right in this country...
The Dems are pathetic as well, but not nearly on the same level... People like Steve King, Louie Gohmert and Michelle Bachmann have no rivals in the Democratic party...
Ever notice that gay Dems come right out and say it, whereas we always learn about some "family values" Republican getting into a gay scandal.. Ted Stevens anyone?...
All congressman are for the most part bastards, but hell has a special place for hypocrites of the Republican persuasion...
BTW, the last sentence should be construed metaphorically, in case you can't grasp that...
Ever notice how the Republicans who want to kill Muslims are at least honest about it while the Democrats who want to kill Muslims get peace prizes from other liberals? You're right, that's not so bad after all. And Pelosi really does work hard to protect our constitutional rights. She's much better than Bachman!
That was a pretty pathetic rejoinder.....
I thought you might have had something of real substance to come back with...
Because dead Muslims and violations of the Bill of Rights don't matter to a liberal when a liberal inhabits the White House. Thanks for the confirmation, killer.
The 4th died with the enactment of the Patriot Act, a decidedly bipartisan act where those D+R members against it unable to stand up because it was political suicide to appear soft on terrorism in the aftermath of 9/11...
Why don't you remind us of the votes on the Patriot Act?
While you are at it, explain the what political motivation Bill Clinton had for not vetoing the DOMA act given the date it was signed.. You are welcome to piss on him for sacrificing the gays on the altar of presidential politics...
You have zero integrity and even less understanding of the context of major important acts..
Any attempt at a measured debate with you is a waste of time so don't even bother replying....
You justify tyranny as political expediency and then you say that I have no integrity. Go Team Blue!
Yea just like in 'Idiocracy' americans don't care about anything but what dick is goin into what and what retarded chick has the bigger ass.
A good decision.
this will have a huge impact on the FED
Hugely bearish for gold...Wedding band sales, estimated at .75 tons a year, will significantly reduce demand for the barbaric relic. DOW & DD rocket as revenue from sex toys and bondage garb projected to boost consumer spending.
I guess KY Jelly sales are going up now..
Why?
He ^^^ gave his love a chicken, that had no bone...
Like I stated above, marriage will kill sales....
Final blow to the moral fabric of this country.
Up next: Sulfur storm.
gays and marriage have absolutely NOTHING to do with the lack of moral fabric in your country, please reread three years of ZH and come back after that.
There are three main attack vectors that the marxists use to continue Karl Marx's milchama against Western civilization:
- Attacking private property
- Attacking the family
- Attacking Christianity
Know Your Enemy.
So the gay christian priest who buggers your american children by the hundreds and lives off the dole of others tithes is a MARXIST????
Sometimes you can be your own worst enemy;
and that's exactly how the oligarchs like it
A sodomite who hides behind the cloth is not a Christian, silly.
. It's the No True Scotsman fallacy. You come up with an example, he finds a reason it can't be part of the category - repeat ad infinitum.
The Treaty of Tripoli, dated 1797 and authored by James Madison (you may have heard of him), and approved by a Congress consisting almost entirely of founding fathers who had just ratified the Constitution of the United States just a few years previously, states quite clearly that the US is not a "Christian" nation. Go read it.
Look.
1) Homosexual behavior is morally degenerate. It's just the way it is. Sorry if you find it offensive. I have interacted with enough gay people (some of them friends) to fully grasp the truth of this. Again, if you find that offensive, tough shit but that's the way it is.
2) Any society that believes that the natural family is its foundation, will have that belief reflected in the actions of the state, in such a way that marriage between and man and a woman is supported.
3) Our state longer believes the natural family is worth anything more or less than the perverted forms of the natural family.
4) Now the question is: does the state actually reflect the belief of the society that it purportedly represents? I think the answer to that question is, "no". We no longer have a legitimate state. That has certainly been well-established in dozens of other functional areas like finance, property rights, privacy rights, etc etc.
Here's the bottom line: it ultimately doesn't matter how the state defines marriage. This is a relatively minor sideshow. But this is a small but important piece of an overall agenda designed to bankrupt our society financially, morally, and physically.
It is always the same with you guys. You talk all day about freedom and self-determination but in reality you just want to impose your rules on everyone else because, of course, you have some kind of absolute knowledge of what is right and wrong. It's like Alex Jones. He bitches and bitches about the State and the rules but if he were "in charge" he would simply institute a new set of rules and make everyone obey them.
You're confused.
In Western civilzation, liberty is defined as the absence of coercion within the moral boundaries of Christianity.
To those who oppose Western civilization, like yourself, liberty is defined as the power to do what you want. Which, obviously, is the basis of totalitarianism.
"liberty is defined as the absence of coercion within the moral boundaries of Christianity"
So, that's rule 1 in your version of freedom. Christianity governs. But which version of Christianity? The mormons think I can marry three wives. The Catholics say I can drink like a fish, the Born Agains frown upon such behavior. Some Catholics think I can use birth control, others not. Which rules shall I follow dear leader that knows all truth? Step back and look at the absurdity of yourself some time. It is quite shocking.
LDS and "true" Catholics aren't Christians, so you need to find a better angle.
But wait -- if you ask LDS, they are the one true Christians. Same with the Catholics. They are so upset when others don't get to confessional before death. So who gets to decide which is true Christianity and which isn't. Oh right. You. So your big plan is to have everyone follow your rules. Now I get it.
WTF?? Catholics aren't Christians?? Are you high? Catholics are the ORIGINAL Christians.
Ignorant dope.
Thanks for making my point you fucking imbecile. Even the Christians can't agree who is a Christian, but you want me to be ruled by you? Fuck off.
Don't be a fucking ass. Catholics are the original Christians, BY DEFINITION. It's a historical fact.
What is this, the Spanish Inquisition?
Buck
Maybe it's semantics, if so forgive me.
There is a difference in the religion of orthodox Catholics, and the meaning of the term.
"pertaining to the whole Christian body or church". (Meaning the Universal Church,the word Catholic).
The OLD Catholic church still practices idolatry(worship of statues, and the belief that they MUST have a priest intervene for them directly to GOD, in order to get their sins forgiven,or heard),also believing that Peter was the ROCK that the church would be built on,not so.
And that the Pope is the direct link to God as HIS emmissary on earth.
Christ WAS and IS the rock,that the church was built on.There is none other.(but I am sure you know this)
They deny the ability that Christ's death gave all believers, the right to access GOD directly in prayer, and asking for forgiveness.That is why the temple veil was ripped from TOP to bottom,meaning NOW we all have direct access to HIS throne.
Now, there are many Evangelical Catholic churches that are practicing correctly(they read the scriptures).
I'm not arguing that there are differences. I'm just pointing out the historical fact that the Catholic Church is the original Church. All other Christian churches sprang out of that one.
Shit, I'm having trouble figuring out who to blindly follow.
I'm sure that the followers of Mohammet can straighten you right out.
Rand, just don't mention that there were thousands of churches in greater Rome before Christianity became the sanctioned state religion, which was still before the Catholic Church.
Their heads might explode.
Buck,
I still disagree bro, the Original church was called THE WAY.And there were no denominations(sects yes), you were either IN Christ, or Not.As stated the term Catholic only means Universal church.
Denoms came later to screw it all up.LOL
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
Matthew 6:18
Yeah, you tell 'em LTER...no rules at all...Oh, except for hate speach, etc. political correctness, etc.
No question.
Almost the exact same thing happened in Russia during the early 20th century. The parallels are striking; Igor Shafarevich wrote about them extensively. This is really about a small minority of hominids attempting to impose primitive foreign notions and primitive foreign superstitions upon a Western country.
Today, those hominids include:
- Gyorgy Schwartz
- Peter Orszag
- Elana Kagan
- Cass Sunstein
- Michael Seidman
In early 20th century Russia, those hominids with primitive foreign superstitions inlcuded the likes of Lev Davidovich Bronstein, Karl Marx, and Pavel Axelrod.
+99274558
Bastiat nails it
Read some history, and you will find this isn't the first time around this track....
Igor Shafarevich's "Socialism in Our Past and Future" is the best place to start, IMO; link here:
http://www.savageleft.com/poli/hoc.html
Know Thy Enemy
If you are up for challengins some of your beliefs as to what a natural family is, read Sex at Dawn and some of the research cited in it. Interesting stuff that I have only started to digest.
Agreed. How in hell can a judge look individuals that want to marry more than one guy, gal, dad or mom and say no to them? I know the maserati marxist mantra...keep your laws off our bodies, etc. I am gonna laugh my ass off when someone wants to marry their dad or mom for tax or healthcare reasons. What a fucked up society. I believe that it was Fyodor Dostoyevsky who said in "Notes from the Underground" or it maytn be The Brothers Karamazov, that said "Where there is no G_d, all is permissible". I came through the sixties and seventies where the mantra was if it feels good do it...well folks they won. Now about that unintended coinsequences thing...
Right because there are no legal distinctions between one person and multiple persons, family members, animals, corpses, inanimate objects - all the same before the law. I had my stapler arrested for assault the other day btw.
Dostoyevsky was "Nothing is true, everything is permitted."
IIRC, it was Nietszche who extrapolated that to "God is dead, everything is permitted."
But it clearly doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.
Buck
the theft of your financial future, your kids and their kids is THE ISSUE. NOT WHO YOU SLEEP WITH or who you marry. Homosexuality is NOT a degenerate disease as your christian orthodoxy so espouses. (MOST OF THEM ARE GAY THEMSELVES).
YOU HAVE BEEN SUFFICIENTLY DEFLECTED TO MORAL OUTRAGE THAT HAS NO DIRECTION, FOCUS OR NECESSITY
mission accomplished;
Oligarchs 1
Buck )
Sin and immoral, improper behavior have EVERYTHING to do with the lack of moral fabric.
And since when was ZH the final arbiter of that??
since when were you and your faith?
That is not true at all. It is just another example of the destruction of an institution in order to unanchor the people from their basic systems of tradition and belief.
Regardless of how you FEEL about the issue, MARRIAGE has always (as in since the concept existed) been defined as the union between a man and a woman. It has NEVER IN HSTORY been defined as "the union between two human beings of the same sex".
This is another example of the government destroying the institutions which support the people's traditional belief systems.
In other words, this has very little to do with giving equal treatment to gays and EVERYTHING to do with crushing the traditional basis of the people's reality.
Your world is being altered until you can no longer recognize it, and then YOU WILL BE TOLD WHAT TO BELIEVE GOING FORWARD.
The fact that half you freaking sheeple don't grasp this is proof that it works.
This is only about gay rights IN YOUR HEADS. In reality it is one more step in conditioning you to control your perception of reality.
WAKE UP.
Everyone believed the world was flat once too.
The world is not a social construct devised to support a tradition of beliefs and morality.
If marriage was a physical creation brought about by the interaction of natural forces, you might have an argument.
There is absolutely NO CORRELATION here though. Sorry.
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Orly?
whose "world" are you describing? whose "beliefs" & whose "morality"?
because careful investigation will prove there are many co-existing socially constructed beliefs out there today.
One of the ethics of the Elite is "DO AS THOU WILT". Meaning you as a god define what is right and wrong. Pretty much do whatever you want, there is no sin.
That is what is being forced on us, that is the society being built.
Has any human civilization ever worked, where everybody did whatever they felt like? Yet that is what is being thrust upon us.
Will it work without causing a catastrophic collapse? My guess is probabally not.
We're about to find out, like it or not.
+1 Nice.
OT: loved your work on the Death Star....
Final blow? I foresee plenty more blowing from this day forward. I'M SORRY.
on the bright side, this will cut down on abortions
Looks like it.
The Russians are moving in the right direction - they've just banned all forms of sodomite propaganda.
"If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind?"
Bastiat, The Law.
Freedom isn't the power to do what you want. The "power" to do what you want is the basis of totalitarianism.
Do these little nuggets of wisdom seem profound when you say them in your head? I'm genuinely interested.
Where do you think that I got them from? I didn't conjure them up myself.
Most of them are from "The Constitution of Liberty"; you should read it:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Constitution-Liberty-Friedrich-Hayek/dp/022632...
So "freedom" means I can do what you want?
pods
Liberty, in the modern sense of it, is defined as minimized government coercion.
Never figured you for a homophobe, but then again it is not inconsistent with the demographics of those who are attracted to your world view...
You know the type, the ones that crow about freedom and liberty but yet they can only subjectively apply it...
Every society has laws. If you are looking to determine the moral compass of a country just compare how it's laws stack up against God's laws.
Question, how many wars have been fought when all parties are obeying God's law?
Is this a trick question?
No, notice I didn't say in the name of religion, I stated when they were all living God's law. Huge difference.
Dupe
Please be specific when you talk about god. Which god are you talking about?
The God in the Bible.
Is that the bible with the god that said it was ok for the Israelites to keep slaves?
Yep, how can any book with provides guidance on dealing with your slaves in a day-to-day manner have a defensible claim to be an absolute and righteous Moral Code....
Ah, I get it now. I am supposed to judge the practices, morals, and institutions of the the ancient world through the oh so "enlightened" moral lens of the 21st century?
On second thought, I never much like tumbling down rabbit holes into La-La Land.
Please look up what a straw man is and please desist from using them...
When you can formulate a logically consistent argument I will consider rebutting it...
http://www.bible.gen.nz/amos/themes/slavery.htm
The world's not a perfect place, but again if a society is being faithful to the 2 great commandments as well as the Ten Commandments, these additional dealings would not have to be addressed.
Yeah, sure. Plenty of text that says otherwise. Southerners used that bible to defend chattel slavery in the 1800s. Wonderful thing about religion is how maleable it is. It can be whatever you want it to be.
Note that my response above was a reply to your post when it only had the link.
Yep, we wouldn't have all these probelms of people disobeying god's will, if they just obeyed god's will. Wonderfully circular.
No, not circular,either you do or you don't.
Which Decalogue? There are two, in case you didn't know.
One was probably codified during the Babylonian Captivity, the other is much, much older, predating the Kingdom of Judea.
Can you guess which is which?
This actually pretty epic. and the critical component needed for tax reform. Nothing wrong with marriage, nothing wrong with tax favoritism for households, except that is genus of every other sick, twisted facility in the tax code and lots of corporate law.
Now the media will go into a full-retard fest! Never been a better time than now for a 'civil rights' debacle!
And it'll be a huge distraction from some stuff. Win win.
Wedge issue, not interested.
sofa king sick of hearing about it.
who gives a fuck. suck all the dick you want with a ring on your finger. now shut the fuck up you whining faggots.
My, my, is a tantrum really necessary?
Feel free to come out of the closet bro.
Yep, I think your take is bang on....
So you support gay rights but when you want to insult someone you call them gay? Glad I stopped being a liberal hypocrite and started hanging with the Teabaggers (wink, wink, nudge, nudge).
It is clear that the guy has anger issues abouts gays and studies have shown that such anger can be associated with repressed homosexual tendencies. Not sure how you fabricted an insult out of what I typed. But then again, you do come up with real twisted interpretations....
You implied that he was gay in an effort to anger or embarrass him. Don't pretend otherwise.
Yeah and being a sodomite is an embarrassment. It has been viewed that way for centuries for a reason.
Based on this and your position on the Trayvon media debacle, it's pretty clear that your mind is 100% f*cked by the Kosher media. Also, I would be willing to bet a paycheck that you have virtually zero experience with blacks or gays, as your posts reek either of 1) a member of the tribe; or 2) a sheltered white Pollyanna with no life experience (perfect media sucker).
So you agree with Flak that those who don't take a politically correct view of gay marriage are gay themselves? And you also believe that the Stand Your Ground Law is a bad idea because Zimmerman (a member of the tribe as you'd say) broke that law according to the Republican who wrote it? You're the one who has been confused by the media. You're a flaming liberal and you don't even know it.
not gay^^^ but willing to learn!
Between this and an earlier message I cannot help but get the impression that you are trying to tell us something...
Ah, that old canard!
1) If you're openly gay, you're a hero.
2) If you're not gay, but haven't tried it yet, probably you're actually gay, you need to open your mind.
3) If you're against gays, you're actually secretly gay and hate yourself for being gay.
Gotta love the fag logic.
For more than 99% of mankind's history, a propensity for sodomy has been considered a symptom of serious mental illness.
...and repeating yourself over and over and over again is perfectly sane.
Which fact are you disputing?
BB
And if I try "sex" with another man and like it, it must mean I was always a homo, because we are born gay or straight.
But if I try it and don't like it, I guess I wasn't gay.
So is it a choice or biology?
For those that argue it is biology, let me remind you that it was biology that made me want to be close to the girls in high school. But it was a choice to ask them out, to attempt a kiss, to touch them in a sexual way. None of it is beyond our control, or we could not restrain from raping very attractive women.
If it is not a choice, but biology, how do you reconcile that you can override feelings which encourage you to rape, but cannot override your feelings about people of the same sex?
Either you have control of yourself, or you are an animal. Obviously you wouldn't accept my argument that it was biology that forced me to rape, or even, to kiss an unwilling person, whether that person was the same sex as me or not.
Do what you want. You are free. I don't care. But your logic needs some fine tuning.
Like BB posted above...fag logic.
Sorry if I got your leotards in a knot...
Is this what passes for deductive reasoning in Bible school?
Flakmeister ... Have you ever seen a grown man naked?
Are you propositioning me? It sure sounds like...
I'll pass, but whatever floats your boat and as long as it is concensual...
Is 'concensual' how it's expressed in legal-ese?... I'm not up on my law... It USED to be the slimiest profession before banking, MSM, & politics came along...
~~~
In any case... You have my 'CONCENT' to continue trolling now...
Between your flat out proposition above and your apparent stalking of me on these boards I am starting to worry that you have man crush on me, or at very least crave my attention...
You are getting a little too creepy for my liking....
BTW, it's consent....
Fuck -- do you know how many fucking hurricanes and earthquakes this is going to cause?!
long brimstone
long sodom and gonnoreeehaha
Id get short before the supply SHOCK! they will accuse the heavens of dumping.
Bullish for Home Depot!
Homo depot?
Whatever you do, don't go into the lumber aisle alone.