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Supreme Court Strikes Down DOMA
In what is likely to cause a storm of controversy, the Supreme Court ruled against the 17-year-old anti-gay Defense of Marriage Act:
- *DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT PROVISION STRUCK DOWN BY TOP U.S. COURT
- *SUPREME COURT VOTES 5-4 ON U.S. DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT
- *COURT SAYS MARRIAGE LAW VIOLATES EQUAL PROTECTION GUARANTEE
Kennedy: DOMA "humiliates tens of thousands of children now being raised by same-sex couples"
Scalia: "By formally declaring anyone opposed to same-sex marriage an enemy of human decency, the majority arms well every challenger to a state law restricting marriage to its traditional definition,"
"DOMA is unconstitutional as a deprivation of the equal liberty of persons that is protected by the Fifth Amendment."
Full Timeline of Gay Marriage (via Global Post):
Following is a timeline of important events in the history of gay marriage in the United States.
1969
- The modern gay liberation movement unofficially kicks off with the Stonewall Riots, demonstrations by gays in response to a police raid in New York City.
1972
- The U.S. Supreme Court lets stand a Minnesota Supreme Court ruling that the law does not allow for same-sex marriage, and that the issue is different from interracial marriage.
1973
- Maryland becomes the first state to pass a statute banning gay marriage.
1977
- Harvey Milk becomes the first openly gay elected official in San Francisco, winning a seat on the Board of Supervisors. He later appeals to gays to come out and run for office, saying "for invisible, we remain in limbo." Milk was shot and killed in 1978.
1986
- The U.S. Supreme Court says "we are quite unwilling" to find a fundamental right to sodomy, even in the privacy of one's home, in Bowers v. Hardwick ruling.
1996
- U.S. Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy writes an opinion striking down a Colorado ban on protections for gays, saying the ban "seems inexplicable by anything but animus."
- President Bill Clinton signs the Defense of Marriage Act, defining marriage as between a man and a woman for federal purposes.
1997
- Comedian Ellen DeGeneres reveals she is gay. Shortly afterward, her TV situation comedy character says "I'm gay" - inadvertently speaking into an airport public address system.
1998
- Debut of television show "Will and Grace" about a gay man and his best friend, a straight woman.
2000
- Vermont becomes the first U.S. state to allow civil unions for same-sex couples.
- Republican vice presidential candidate Dick Cheney, who has a lesbian daughter, indicates he supports gay marriage, saying "freedom means freedom for everybody" and "people should be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to enter into." He said states should regulate the matter, not the federal government. Cheney serves as vice president for eight years.
2003
- The U.S. Supreme Court, in another decision written by Kennedy, strikes down Texas anti-sodomy law in Lawrence v. Texas case and reverses the 1986 Bowers ruling. Kennedy writes that this does not mean the government must recognize gay relationships. "Do not believe it," Justice Antonin Scalia dissents, saying the logic of the opinion points to allowing same-sex marriage.
- The Massachusetts Supreme Court rules in favor of same-sex marriage, and gay weddings begin in 2004.
2004
- San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom directs the county to allow same-sex marriages, arguing the state's voter-approved ban on gay marriage, Proposition 22, is unconstitutional. The state Supreme Court stops the weddings on grounds unrelated to the constitutionality of marriage.
2005
- U.S. northern neighbor Canada allows gay marriage.
2008
- California gay marriages become legal when the California Supreme Court strikes down the Proposition 22 ban. That November, voters add a ban to the state constitution - Proposition 8 - ending a summer of gay marriage.
2009
- Iowa state Supreme Court legalizes same-sex marriage.
- Federal court challenge to Proposition 8 filed, days before California Supreme Court lets Proposition 8 stand as a valid change to the state constitution. Eventually, federal district and appeals courts agree to strike down the ban, which heads to the U.S. Supreme Court.
2010
- The U.S. Congress passes legislation to end a policy put in place in 1993 called "don't ask don't tell" that had barred gays from serving openly in the U.S. military. President Barack Obama signs the measure. The policy officially ends in 2011.
2012
- Obama becomes the first U.S. president to endorse gay marriage, acknowledging that his views on the matter had evolved.
- North Carolina approves a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage in May. In November, Maine, Maryland and Washington become the first states where voters approve same-sex marriage, and Minnesota rejects a new ban.
2013
- The U.S. Supreme Court in March hears oral arguments on the constitutionality of California's Proposition 8 and the federal Defense of Marriage Act.
- The Boy Scouts of America organization votes in May to lift a century-old ban on openly gay scouts in a victory for gay rights activists. A prohibition on openly gay adult leaders remains in place.
- Minnesota, Rhode Island and Delaware in May become the latest U.S. states to allow same-sex couples to marry, bringing to 12 the number of states permitting it. The other states allowing same sex marriage are: Connecticut, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, New Hampshire, Vermont and Washington state, as well as the District of Columbia.
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+1 ROFLMAO
Who fucking cares....people will fuck dogs to eat pretty soon.
Don't you think they might just eat the dogs instead?
Haven't you heard? Roving packs of dogs will be in charge when the shtf.
Have you been to Wall Street recently????
If any of you, homos, touch me, I'll kill ya!
YOU JUST MADE THE LIST, BUDDY!
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Lighten up, Francis.
Chicks dig me, because I rarely wear underwear and when I do it's usually something unusual. But now I know why I have always lost women to guys like you. I mean, it's not just the uniform. It's the stories that you tell. So much fun and imagination... Lee Harvey, you are a madman. When you stole that cow, and your friend tried to make it with the cow. I want to party with you, cowboy. The two of us together, forget it...
Mr. Vegas! That's what they call me......
Mike: What?...
Worm: Look. I got certain needs I gotta attend to, okay? - Hey, good. I mean, I'm overdue...
Mike: Good, man, hey, I was startin' to wonder about you... I thought, maybe, you know, the boys upstate brought about a few changes in you...
Worm: Hey, in your dreams, lover...
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So what if two guys get "married"? At least they will be faithful to each other and not spread STDs. And anyhow, how does two guys getting married affect the price of gold? That's what counts.
This was more about federal benefits for same-sex married couples in States that already allow it.
Marriage is between a man and a woman. There's no such thing as "marriage" between two sodomites.
Where I live, first cousins marry first cousins, and half-brothers marry their half-sisters. These are the same people who go to church and are against gay marriage. Go figure.
so you live inside the beltway ?
No, everyone fucks children inside the beltway, no matter who they are married to, or whether they are even married or not.
It's how business gets done.
That's nonsense. Nice try, though.
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Washington State, for one, begs to differ.
Oh so NOW we're suddenly gonna look to the State for guidance????
Being that that's who marries you to your spouse legally - yes.
Gays don't spread STD's??? Which planet did you just arrive from??
Actually - people spread STDs. Are you suggesting that married same-sex couples would spread more disease than non-married hetrosexuals?
are you dense? 2 people already clear of STD's who are screwing only each other won't spread any to each other, gay or heterosexual.
This decision supports ZPG.
I always thought Carl Jung's take on homosexuality was the best. He was all for it, as it keeps the weaker minded from passing on their genes through offspring...
Fewer humans, less competition and more stuff for TPTB bitchez!
I always knew if I let up on my studying and schoolin for even a second my mind would weaken and I would end up gay.
All the more reason to consider the man a retard. Homosexual males are not sterile. They can make babies with the ladies & frequently have for the sake of having offspring.
It is framed as a states rights case. Consider that the lack of federal jurisdiction over marriage may also apply to other issues. If states have the sole jurisdiction to decide what persons may marry, why would states not have sole jurisdiction to decide who is a person for purposes of abortion laws?
it's an individual rights 'case' and there really should be no 'case' at all, meaning what the fuck and why the fuck do local, state, or federal government jerk-offs need their paws in, on or around everything? marriage is a made up thing...
The problem is that there are two "marriages" that get conflated in many people's minds: 1. the religious one that is generally between a man woman as witnessed by God and the community; and the legal one that is a state-sanctioned legal contract beween a man and woman in some states, or two people in others, that conveys a whole slew of rights and benefits.
The underlying issue is to what extent we are a religious state.
Religion has nothing to do with it. Don't confuse correlation with causation.
Correct. If people will devote all their energies to the 1% of laws that appeal to their particular sensibilities, they ignore the 99% of it that is designed to return us to slavery.
Same deal with legalization of pot. The cry is "Non violent offenders are in prison!", the counter argument that is certain "victimless" crimes are indeed caused by substances including crimes against "self" or those around you. If anybody wants to go down that path, take it further and consider that there are even more non-violentesque (sic) people in prison cause they screwed up a tax form.
The court is smart. They know they reached too far with Citizens United. This ruling will help to mitigate that. Oh the current and next generation of corporate and tax lawyers will still make fortunes fighting the unravelling of their secular world: where corporations are people, with full rights and maybe even the "soul" of a human.
... but they are going to lose the unnatural bonuses of never dying, paying taxes or having only fiat currency penalties for their actions. Today is a great day, even if living people are personally biased against homosexuality.
"marriage is a made up thing..."
Not to the IRS.
the IRS is a made up thing: all taxes are voluntary - http://youtu.be/I_aQbr6d_Js
Indeed, marriage is a "made up thing" as are all other legal constructs:
Incorporation,
Good Will,
Consideration,
Standing,
Government,
money,
and almost every other thing imaginable.
However, just because the SCOTUS has ruled does not change anything from my perspective. What is, or is not, is not under the purview of the Court
In Russia, at least, all forms of sodomite propaganda have been absolutely banned.
What are pictures of Putin wrestling with a Siberian tiger or bow hunting bare chested on the Steppes, if not Sodomite propaganda?
Shhh. Bastiat masturbates to those pictures but no one is supposed to know.
Does that mean you are relocating to Russia to achieve enlightened status?
Soft, very soft.
Does this mean I don't have to hear a bunch of lisping about people'ths righths anymore?
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If you think this will shut the queers up, you're retarded.
It will just encourage them even more. They won't rest until all males are blowing each other.
Just wait for the "Mandatory Blowjob Quota Act of 2054", where every male between the ages of 11 and 79 years old must blow another man a minimum of 5 times a day, or 2,200 times a year.
There are three things that a primitive, foreign communist like Elena Kagan seeks:
- Abolition of the family
- Abolition of private property
- Abolition of Christianity
The gay marriage card has been the go-to distraction when you REALLY need a distraction card. Just pick a side..either one will work
Distraction?!?!? What need for distraction??
It isn't as if we had:
1) IRS Gate,
2) Benghazi Gate,
3) Fast and Furious Gate,
4) AP Gate,
5) Snowden Gate,
6) Syria Gate
The card appears to be so strong an polarizing that even ZH'ers have their panties in a bunch.
It's laughable how thegov is able to pull strings by making or rejecting laws. Two people getting married? oh the fucking humanity.
Get back to the real issues
gay marriage is always a good one to distract people.
Yea the world is melting down and you should be very concerned about who's fucking who
Yep, that's all americans actuall care about....who's boning who, and what dumb chicks bubble butt got bigger.
Watch 'Idiocracy' the #1 movie of all time is 'ASS'.
Fucking talking monkeys....we'll extinct ourselves one way or another that's for certain!
You might want to think about that question for a second. The world is melting down, and all the fags want to do is clog up the legal system with gay marriage shit.
Nobody's stopping them from fucking each other silly, which is basically all they really want to do based on their demonstrated behavior, but now they have to waste our time with this shit?
Lets define marriage for what it really is "Marriage is a relationship between 2 people and the Legal System"
Bingo. Marriage is a financial partnership subject to discretionary dissolution by the judicial system.
"Lets define marriage for what it really is "Marriage is a relationship between 2 people and the Legal System"
~~~
Lets define marriage for what it really is "Marriage is a relationship between 2 people and the cheesepope lawyer who is trying to skim 33% [from each side] of their net worth when it all goes tits up or when they're catching their breath after the last ambulance chase...
Or the marriage of Church and State with some other 'persons' tossed in.
But in the case of a gay divorce, how will the judge know which one to rake over the coals?
Easy, depends who the pitcher and who the catcher is. In terms of lesbians that is easy to determine by who the manlier one is.
I can never understand ... why do gay people want to get married?
You don't need to understand, that's exactly the point here.
Why do straights?
They don't.
And watch this craziness, they won't. There will not be some mad rush to state courthouses to get marriage licenses for gay couples.
They "won" a great liberty to ask for the state for permission to commit their love to someone. My wife and I had the great privilege of asking for permission to declare our love to some fat clerk in Portland, ME. I was beaming with pride as I paid the $5 to park.
So when does the gay rights movement turn solely into a victimization lobbying effort?
Bingo. They don't really give a shit about marriage. They are fundamentally insecure and unhappy people who need to continuously draw attention to themselves. Basically they are emotionally retarded adolescents still acting out some bullshit, most likely they were sexually abused by an uncle, teacher, etc. and are struggling to deal with the damage. Lashing out at the heterosexuals for actually having the nerve to be happy in their own skins.
Whatever the reason is.
There are a couple of things that I find interesting: the first is identity politics applied to an action. There are homosexual acts. Somehow that made someone "gay" and they all of the sudden fall into different realm of being. Some of the more ridiculous people in American society parallel this to the civil rights movement, ignoring the fact that you can't choose to disclose your race or gender. You can choose to disclose your sexual preferences.
The second thing I find interesting is that "rights" and "human decency" as expressed by the ALMIGHTY SupremeCpurt have been equated with asking for permission (a license) to engage in a private arrangement. What liberty! Though I suppose in the The New Welfare state, the single highest honor that can bestowed upon you are "benefits" and a slight tax reprieve. That's where we're at.
why do any suckers want to get married?
Nothing like dick sucking to distract the public's attention from the Totus's crimes.
Its Motus
Good maybe now that the misdirection is overwith we can start focusing on the collapse of the country. Ahh who am I kidding? TPT B will always have a divisive distraction.
Full circle,nothing less,just like Rome.
Glock 20, 29 or Desert Eagle?
Glock 20 and smith 1006.
This issue could have been easily finessed by declaring all marriage illegal due to seperation of church and state and then replaced with simple civil union desiginations that have pre-determined rights and obligations under the law for any 2 individuals. Leave the religions alone and don't require marriage through an religious insitution as a prerequisite for a civil union license. That doesn't mean people can't get married but it is seperate. This was never about seperation of church and state but to destroy religion and moral values associated with it. That is what Marxists do. It ain't about respect and finding workable solutions. Any good controlled Marxist social system can't have competing moral systems aka religion to undermine them.
There are three main attack vectors that today's marxists use to continue Karl Marx's milchama against Western civilization:
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- Attacking the family
- Attacking private property
- Attacking Christianity
Know Your Enemy.
A veritable broken record you are...
The facts are the facts.
The social laws of civilization are no different than the physical laws of the universe.
You're really going to hate Quantum Mechanics.
Ahhh, a new spin.
Thanks.
Well, gravity doesn't change simply because Elena Kagan, Cass Sunstein, and Karl Marx seek its abolition.
looks like you've never heard of quantum gravity
according to quantum mechanics gravity itself may not even exist: merely a holographic distortion of a larger 5-dimensional surface.
Experience shows us otherwise.
Get real. Social laws?
Who farted?
It was Bastiat!
Kill him!
Amen.
christanity is the enemy. religion is the enemy. i know the enemy.
The #1 cause of rape & genocide is religion. It is a profound evil, an abomination of nature, a damnation on earth.
What before could be a fist or knife fight over a few city blocks, you add religion, and suddenly babies are being stabbed in the neck and families burned to death on crucifixes. It's the most dangerous terrorist insanity ever invented.
Certainly, the counter-Christian religion of marxism wreaked havoc during the 20th century - stats on murdered souls, here:
http://www.savageleft.com/poli/mbc.html
All this decision really did was change the balance of how much the state intrudes into the church instead of the other way around. The Evangelicals had their chance to do the right thing and separate it completely. Morality is not dependent on religion. The only difference between Atheists and Evangelicals is flip sides of the coin. Morality is a sideshow used to distract from the real issue anyways. It is my a god is better than yours, the Marxists who see the state itself as the vehicle of God while Evangelicals see the church as the vehicle of God. In the other corner you have those that believe God comes from within and is reflected out onto the world through actions of each individual (but people like that are the most dangerous and therefore marginalized and minimized the most since they represent the least amount of centralized control, you know like real Christians not faux Christians who have been indoctrinated that the church is source of God's power on this earth as opposed to the individual).
My example was the right way since it pisses off the Evangelicals and Rainbow Coalition all at the same time while keeping true to separation of church and state, Constitutional law along respect for individuals and institutions across the board. That is why it will never happen. I don't see anyone or any group having the balls to challenge the existing marriage laws as unconstitutional in violation of the establishment clause under the 1st Amendment just I don't see Congress doing anything to protect journalism against prosecution for working with whistleblowers and upholding the freedom of press portion of the 1st Amendment either. Morality here is not a matter of religion on these issues. It is a matter of freedom and personal choice.
For the record I am an agnostic, my personal beliefs in morality are individual based on actions not on herd behavior. I could care less if 2 guys want gobble, nibble. chew, cornhole each other nonstop, private institutions shouldn't have to recognize it aka a church or private golf club, the government laws are a public insitution so different rules apply. But the idea of religion being a personal institution is probably too revolutionary just like it was 2000 years ago when Jesus was preaching such...... We see how that simple idea was co-opted and perverted to preserve institutional aka centralized power after the fact.
Ole Frank Zappa had it right here way back in 1981 concerning all this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li7FZ6E8HOo
Dumb All Over, applies to both sides of this coin here.
"Hey, we can't really be dumb if we're just following god's orders
Well let's get serious, god knows what he's doin'
He wrote this book here and the book says, "He made us all to be just like him"
So, if we're dumb, then god is dumb and maybe even a little ugly on the side"
Morality is not dependent on religion.
Says who?
Actions are moral or they aren't in terms of a universal set. Religion is just a subset describer of a group of actions. There are different religions also describing different groups of actions. Are they all right in describing all 'moral actions' or limited only to their subset of actions. It is simple mathematical set theory 101 and the relationship between universal sets and subsets.
But the subsets don't intersect, so the question remains.
In fact people won't even agree that someone's subset lies completely within the universal set.
Correct on the instersection but the unversal set is of actions (simple case of (a or b) as opposed to (a and b), well within the rules of set theory), lack of action is an action so also part of the universal set. You either act or you don't. Morality is just one describer of that act or lack of it same with religion depending what you group in said subset of actions. Religion and morality are sometimes mutually inclusive sometimes not when used strictly as describers of subsets of actions. Morality as religious people see it is a strictly emotional construct not a logical construct.
Seriously? Are you saying you cannot have an ethos or moral code you're not religious? Quite a few secular humanists would beg to differ.
Logic and reason are the great enemies of Marxism, Religion and centralized control through institutions in general. The age of Enlightenment is over kids the assault on enlightenment is in full steamroller mode. Welcome to the age of Unenlightenment using inversion to create an illusion of enlightenment.
There are 4 basic enlightenment principles
1. Free intellectual inquiry
2. Individual rights
3. Toleration
4. Consent of the governed
They are all under attack turning them inside out and using them to destroy real enlightenment. The faggot marriage issue and how it is viewed legally here including this SCOTUS decision is a prime example of conflating individual rights as toleration and inverting each inside out to undermine both at the same time. Sad thing is pathological altruism is biggest enemy to enlightenment since it is the easiest to pervert by outside forces due to the narrow view horse blinder focus of the people practicing it.
An outstanding display of hypocrisy.... Rarely have I been so taken aback....
morality is best defined as "those who are good enough to not need religion"
In Russia, all forms of sodomite propaganda have been absolutely banned.
Here's a link:
http://rt.com/politics/parliament-consider-gay-propaganda-753/
Ye Gods, you're a fucking tool. Actually, that's more a case of "not allowed to give children sex education materials promoting / explaining homosexual content". It's much like the old UK Tory "section 28" legislation - and the two are about as sophisticated in outlook. (Not that Russia isn't massively homophobic, but there you go, it's no different from certain American States). Being homosexual in Russia is still legal, if somewhat prone to violent attacks in public.
Oh, and: I thought your lot were always "OMG OMG COMMUNISTS ARE TURNING OUR KIDS ZE GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!111!1!1". I've seen it around here pushed enough. Don't be fucking hypocrites, or at least make up your minds if you think Russians = Communists still. Can't have it both ways.
Top tip: if you weren't such prissy, vile, violent cunts towards the non-straight (LGBT), the entire issue would disappear. You create the drama through your own fear & inability to keep your self-loathing to yourself. And yes, the opposition can be just as muppet like, but frankly, they at least have real reasons for it. "Small Government, as long as it's our ideology", right?
You just knocked it outta the park....
There are three things that a primitive, foreign communist like Elena Kagan seeks:
- Abolition of the family
- Abolition of private property
- Abolition of Christianity
You really are deranged, aren't ya?
Bastiat? HAH! PATHETIC!
It's none of the government's business. Having said that, why is it still illegal for consenting adults to engage in polygamy?
It can't be. What if I move to the US from Yemen with 4 wives? Did this case not originate from 2 guys who moved from Canada and were married? Why is the govenement in the marriage business anyway?
+++ All this arguing is based on a single word: marriage. I say, let the DOMA people have it. Gay couples are begging the government to scrutinize and regulate their personal relationships. INSANE!
The issue should be about property/contract rights between consenting adults. A boring legal issue that wouldn't get several hundred comments on a ZH thread.
Because the US has not adopted Sharia.
This country no longer fears God. Well, I still do.
In the Bible, why did God allow Abraham to marry his sister Sarah? (half-sister, to be exact)
Because God can do whatever He wants. He can even bring the dead back to life just by speaking a word or two.
As long as I don't have fear your God, we'll both be good.
there is no god. Why fear fiction?
This country no longer fears God. Well, I still do.
Bingto, and WHY we are under HIS judgement.
How cute
Good thing President Dicksuck flip-flopped.
Obama defines this and global warming as the most important issues of his presidency.
A sick president and country.
Global warming combined with Fukushima radiation will probably end all human life inside of 200 years.
Go ahead, keep pretending it's not real.
http://youtu.be/Mh2Efj1ZqCE?t=2m50s
Ah, the smell of empire decline. Reminiscent of KY.
Buggery seems to abound when empires decline.
Yep, soon the whole country will be like Kentucky. And yet people fret about gays.....
That means there'll be Senate full of Rand Pauls?!? And a House full of McConnells?
O.M.G.
…the moral boundaries have been moved back and forth throughout history…
… in Roman times, it was customary for young boys to perform fallacio on old men as a sign of respect…
... I guess Romans were “Democrats”… ;-)
Says who? As a student of Western civilzation, I've never seen any references to the history of sodomites. There are no books written by sodomites, there are no histories of the sodomite tribe.
Similarly, there's no history of atheism before Karl Marx conjured it up as part of his personal milchama against Western civilization and Christianity.
Wow, you've not looked very hard. History is full of ZE GAYS. So is the animal kingdom (100+ species engage in male / male sex, and even female / female sex, want a list? And boy do you not want to hear all about dolphin rape.) "Sodomite tribe"?!? Since when did sexuality determine your Biblical Tribe? What century are you from? The 6th?
p.s. Might want to check your Bible before I start throwing David & Psalms at you, there's plenty of the old wink-wink, nudge-nudge boy love in the OT. Not to mention the incest, slave rape, sister fucking and so on.
Was wondering how long before bestiality reared its head...
It's in the Bible.
"There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses." - Ezekiel 23:20
Seriously, this Bible book is filthy. Why has no-one banned it for the CHILDREN'S SAKE?!?
For the record: I don't care if you don't think homosexuality is for you, but please: don't use your Religious texts to justify un-Christian hatred. It's a sacrilege against what the whole message is.
You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' "This is the great and foremost commandment. "And a second is like it, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 22:37-40)
There ain't a get out clause of "...but it's ok to hate them if they're a bit queer".
Of course it is.
But, in the wider perspective, this is just more divide and conquer. Fucking with the masses IS entertainment. This is no different than kicking an ant hill.
Don't be an ass, you need to separate the PERSON from the BEHAVIOR. It's why Jesus tells us to love our enemies, and why He always hung out with inveterate sinners like tax collectors and prostitutes. They were the ones who most needed His help. But if you think because He spent time with them, that He was therefore encouraging their sin, then you are theologically retarded.
Sin creates a division between you and God. God still loves you but hates your sin. Not for His sake, but for yours.
Waiter!
Sorry, hating the BEHAVIOR (as if you really do this, more attempted splitting the camel's hair) is still breaking the rules. Sin is between the person and God, it ain't your business getting your nose in there.
Don't look at me, I didn't write it. And I wasn't talking about the sinners here, I was talking about all you self-professed 'Christians' bleating in this thread, dripping with venom. Might want to ponder on your Compassion and repent a little.
Um, nope. You don't know what you are fucking talking about. You are a theological retard, talking out of your asshole.
"Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love." John 4:8
"There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love." John 4:18
“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” John 13:34
Trust me, I really do what I'm talking about. Your perversion of Christianity is not my business, however.
It is a joy to watch you take these Boetians to school...
so many good points, what a great comment!
Ignorant douchebags who cherry-pick scripture out of context deserve nothing but contempt.
point well made. christian hypocrisy at its finest.
a true follower of jesus would have forgiven the "terrorists" after 9/11 and kept on moving forward without seeking vengeance...
even the catholics state in the lord's prayer: "as we forgive those who trespass against us"
point well made. christian hypocrisy at its finest.
a true follower of jesus would have forgiven the "terrorists" after 9/11 and kept on moving forward without seeking vengeance...
even the catholics state in the lord's prayer: "as we forgive those who trespass against us"
True, but as with the term KILLING,differs from that of MURDER, as does war,v.s. personal vengance.All Chrisitians believe the forgiving of others,BUT God's laws demand the form of human government(which HE instituted) to mete out punishment for the criminal elements.Otherwise anarchy would reign supreme.
killing differs from murder?!
i guess that depends on your perspective. continuing that thought, everything is about perspective.
jesus was the anarchist (that we remember) of his era...
You obviously overlooked all the verses in the Bible condemning Homosexual behaviour.
You obviously didn't read the damn Gospels, and instead cherry-pick the OT and epistles as it suits your personal fears and hatreds.
You're not a Christian if you bend the rules like that.
The Bible is more than the Gospels.
To Jesus, the Old Testament was the Sacred scripture.
Christians generally follow Jesus in considering the Old Testament as Sacred scripture, although admittedly, the Apostle Paul rejected much of the Old Testament Law, and many Christians follow Paul instead of Jesus.
Refering only to the Gospels and Ignoring the Old Testament condemnation of Homosexual behaviour is also cherry-picking.
Was Jesus cherry-picking the Old Testament ?
Yeah, Leviticus is going to go real bad for you when I start quoting the Law on seafood, amongst others.
Grow up. If you follow Paul's words over Jesus, you're not a Christian. That's what I was getting at.
According to the Gospels, Jesus said more than only that Love is the greatest commandment; Jesus also said his purpose was not to destroy the Jewish Law, but to fulfill the Jewish Law.
Love of God was first. Love of God is obeying His Laws; implying obeying the Old Testament laws.
Jesus preached forgiveness for sinners, but he also said to the sinners, Go, and sin no more.
Paul also preached forgiveness, but not absolute freedom from law, only freedom from some of the law,
including perhaps many verses in Leviticus. .
the bible condemns love, logic, reason & peace too. It is the thing we must condemn. The bible is a book of hatred. it's a weapon. it has one purpose only: to make murder happen frequently by being filled with hatred, lies & calls for genocide.
That's sodomite propaganda, not biological fact.
For over 99% of mankind's history, a propensity for sodomy has been considered a symptom of serious mental illness.
List of mammals observed to exhibit homosexual behavior, all with links to science (this is going to flood the server, it's quite long, so do junk if it's annoying):
MammalsWait. Lifestyle choice implies self-aware. OMG!! Do you know what that means? HUMANS ARE ANIMALS!!!
(yes, it does look like a pretzel, now that you mention it)
List of mammals who believe homosexual propaganda they read on the internet:
1) You.
2)...
Oh, please.
If you've never lived on a farm, just admit it. Randy males bonk anything that moves, including interspecies sex. (SFW, it's not graphic).
Horny donkey attempts to mount man (his trousers are down because he was taking a dump in the wrong field). (slightly NSFW, male middle aged bottom alert - and hilarious)
Dolphin getting frisky with a female diver (SFW)
Another dolphin getting a bit frisky with a female (SFW - I did warn you about the dolphins)
See? That's what the wonders of modern video are for, you don't have to read anything to disprove your stupidity! Anyhow, you're a muppet. Case closed, bored now.
Wikipedia doesn't count, silly.
That's why they have those little numbers, silly. They're called "citations" and they point to the science books that give you the information, silly.
Your IQ is dropping by the comment, or at least you're giving me a headache.
The Russians, in a wise move, have absolutely banned all forms of sodomite propaganda. Theoretically, at least, that ban should encompass sodomite propaganda posted to Wikipedia.