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NSA Collected "Vast Amounts" of Americans' Emails Under Obama, Guardian Reveals
Having appeared to confirm no 'actual' American emails were intercepted in previous statements, it seems President Obama has some more questions to answer after the Guardian reveals that in fact, the Obama administration permitted the National Security Agency to continue collecting vast amounts of records detailing the email and Internet usage of Americans for more than two years. “The internet metadata of the sort NSA collected for at least a decade details the accounts to which Americans sent emails and from which they received emails,” the Guardian's Greenwald wrote. “It also details the Internet protocol addresses (IP) used by people inside the United States when sending emails – information which can reflect their physical location. It did not include the content of emails." Is it any wonder that Obama said he was "concerned" about firther leaks today.
Via Russia Today,
The Obama administration permitted the National Security Agency to continue collecting vast amounts of records detailing the email and Internet usage of Americans for more than two years, new documents reveal.
According to leaked NSA documents published by The Guardian on Thursday, a secretive surveillance program that put email and Internet metadata into the hands of the United States government was authorized after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks by President George W. Bush and continued under President Barack Obama through 2011.
The leaked evidence comes three weeks to the day after The Guardian first began publishing classified NSA documents attributed to Edward Snowden, a 30-year-old former intelligence analyst from the US who is now wanted there for espionage. He is reportedly in Moscow and has sought asylum from at least two foreign countries.
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One of the two papers published this week, a 2009 working draft from the NSA’s Office of the Inspector General, explains how the agency initiated the "collection of bulk internet metadata" involving "communications with at least one communicant outside the United States or for which no communicant was known to be a citizen of the United States.” That document is marked as “top secret.”
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“The internet metadata of the sort NSA collected for at least a decade details the accounts to which Americans sent emails and from which they received emails,” the journalists wrote. “It also details the Internet protocol addresses (IP) used by people inside the United States when sending emails – information which can reflect their physical location. It did not include the content of emails.”
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Just heard this, Ecuador to accept Snowden and sends jab at US over our threat to cut off some trade relations:
"Ecuador gives up, unilaterally and irrevocably the said customs benefits…What’s more, Ecuador offers the United States economic aid of $23 million annually, similar to what we received with the trade benefits, with the intention of providing education about human rights…”
The situation is this : Let say we have a fictional 18 yo in college. Let's call him Garry. He is super bright. He has a friend who is called Carl. Garry and Carl are good friends and exchanges email, phone call frequently.
Forward 20 years, Garry is now running for president of the USA. He is about to win, and a spook taps him on the shoulder on day and says "We owe you. If you don't do what we want, all your email from 20 years ago will be made public. Your friend Carl is gay. and we think you're too."
So Garry is now a president and an NSA spook. He is going to start wars after wars after wars wherever they like. end of story.
Snowden has Obummer "Snowed-In".
who cares where Edward Snowden is right now . . . . . the real question is, who/when is the NEXT Edward Snowden ?!
The 3-letter Gang said there won't be another one: http://rt.com/usa/cia-leak-memo-leaked-330/ because they said so. Just like last time. And the time before that. And the time...
It did not include the content of emails.
What's the over/under until that's no longer the operative "truth"?
There are two other lesser known NSA whistle blowers that are key to understanding this developing story.
William Binney reveals the how the NSA is capturing and storing almost all domestic electronic communications using Narus devices at key locations on the backbone of the internet (Room 641A & AT&T Leaks). This whole metadata meme is a blatant lie!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Russ Tice has revealed for the first time how the NSA targets and wiretaps US politicians, judges and ranking officers for blackmailing purposes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Here is the mp3 if you want to skip yt:
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/podpress...130617.mp3
This is the bread and butter that journalists should be talking about along with the NSA having direct server access to the largest software companies and the constant lies coming from the government...not where's waldo.
KEY POINT: Politicians are blackmailed and controlled by the military industrial complex. Democracy is an illusion, this is what Eisenhower warned us about!
Nailed it!
And Narus is an Israeli company, now shoved under the Boeing umbrella
Snowden is being patronised by the extremely pro-Israel Julian Assange
Assange who checks with Israel before publishing Wikileaks
Assange who denounces 9-11 'truthers', supports the official story, that Muslims, not Israelis, were involved
3 super popular 'dissident heroes', all deeply criticising America ... BUT
All seeming to deflect attention away from US - Israel ...
Starting with Alex Jones of Prison Planet & Infowars ... has a lot of great stuff BUT
Jones stays away from Zionism & Israel, Alex has a Jewish wife ... Bilderbergers to the max with Alex, but no Israel ... 11 Sept 2001 stuff, but NOT the Israeli involvement that day
... Snowden perhaps also the 'limited hang-out' to keep the focus away from US-Israel
Americans will put up with their own corrupt government and Gestapo surveillance
But Americans might really resent it if they learn Israel pulled down the New York Twin Towers and is helping run all the surveillance on them
Nobody likes foreign control ... even tho they will submit to home-grown mafia
I share the same concerns about Julian Assange, Wikileaks, AJ and Israel but I do not want that to distract from the current story on the NSA/GOV in any way. If TPTB see a weakness or a divisional tear you can be sure they will exploit it. So far the attempts at character assassination and turning this into a partisan issue are utterly failing and I would like their attempts to continue to fail.
Apparently he does have an encrypted dead man drop setup:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/technology/news/snowden-hides-encrypted-nsa-...
P.S. The mp3 link is incorrect in my above post here is the correct link:
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/podpress_trac/web/20927/0/BF.0112.Tice_2...
Well ~ I'd say Barry [I mean 'Garry'] deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for his dedication to the cause of humanity... But the question remains... Is he still on the hook for Peggy Josephs gas & mortgage?...
For domestic emails from non-terrorists they wouldn't bother with the entire contents of email as such. Just a digest of key words would do. If they find an interesting key word then they put you on some kind of "person of interest" watch list for a while, and a string of such observations puts you into a special "take everything" list. At least that is what everyone in the IT community is assuming.
A good estimate would be that 10 in 1000 US citizens who send domestic email have been deep-snooped simply due to corresponding about interesting topics. I'm guessing 1 in 1000 are being actively and continuously monitored and entire emails saved, on no more basis than frequently writing about interesting topics.
If you are a US citizen residing in the US and any of your emails went to a foreign country -- incl Canada and Mexico -- they probably keep all your emails to and from anywhere for up to 10 years.
The above measures would be considered minimally invasive and easily defensible in court under provisions of the Patriot Act etc. I have zero doubt at all that they are already doing this.
There are drones over my house as we speak recording my encrypted smoke signals...
here's the only surfing i'm interested in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=HGjky5U64LM&NR=1 h/t to the Guardian of course.
I think the NSA should be forced, prior to mid-term elections, to reveal to any American requesting it, the complete contents of the profile they maintain on said American.
Lets say we have a multinational criminal entity called SPECTRE, that runs a security force called the SS, that 'guards' all the significant and transitorilly important politicians. Bill Hicks: The Elite (Roll the film).
Hicks was the Lenny Bruce of his age;a political satire/comic genius. He left us way too soon.
Therein lies one of the many risks of private data collection by the spooks.
@ true brain
Or Carl eventually married a fifth cousin of the Bin Laden clan, so now Garry will be hit with this right before election day and, due to his close relationship with a known terrorist, instead of the white house, he will report directly to Camp 4. Or he will become president/spook as you say.
Correa diagnosed with cancer in 5, 4, 3, ...
Nice one...
my avatar kicks ass....one of the few to stand up to the empire who left south america in shambles for so many decades............u.s. extracting, manipulating, extorting, pillaging, meddling, etc......all finally coming to an end in south america......and correa has alot to do with it...........................
what is the guardian and the bbc
are they truth or just mi5 lies.
mossad and cia mi6 distraction or pressure.
SYRIA IS THE REAL WAR
BUT KEEP YAPPING ABOUT FREEDOM.
nothing better than freedom when your sucking in bomb radiation
"SYRIA IS THE REAL WAR" or perhaps the real distraction?
A clever man would have you think that Syria is a distraction.
Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line!
Maybe it's all real, and we're just being intentionally overloaded.
Iocaine powder, I'd bet my life on it.
maybe theyre both distractions from something larger
Or maybe neither are, or maybe both are, but the what they're distracting from is smaller, or maybe one is, but not the other. I'll be right back, I'm sketching up a matrix.
Stop! Stop! Please! My brain itches.
the problem of "taking both the red and blue pill."
It's all a distraction from the Goldman bet that the Cubs are going to win the World Series...
"what is the guardian and the bbc"
They are both firmly in the Left Wing/Socialist camp. Both the BBC and Guardian were licking Obamas ass when (and before) he came to power.
do not call them team gb
TEAM ZION
tavistock mental head wash
rothschild or death
I do think this is all very, very curious.
As I mentioned, both the BBC and Graundian (See years of Private Eye for spelling explanation) were very much in the Obama camp. VERY MUCH in the Obama Camp. TOTAL
In fact the Grundian is so invovled with US politics, it started a letter writting campaing from Britain...asksing British people during the 2004 election, to write to their American cousins, and tell them why they should vote for whomever.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/oct/18/uselections2004.usa2
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/2004-11-04-brits-letters_x.htm
So I am a bit baffled as to why they have seemingly turned on Obama. Their chosen one. It does make me wonder if there is another motive for these releases. Will it all lead back to the GOP and the Bush years? Is there some joker card they will play?
LOTS of government whistle blowers have spoken out about illiegal practice by the US Government, from Area 51 workers poisoned by open burning of toxic waste to the word being out on the NSA and their snooping DECADES AGO!!!......yet they were always "conspiracy theory"......yet the MSM, and you HAVE to include the BBC in the MSM bracket, have put Snowden on a throne and called him the one true Christ............why? and why now?
All is not as it seems on this one, the whole thing.....smells a bit.
BBC is own'd by the Queen
Al Jazerra is own'd by Qatar
PBS is own'd by the 'State Dept'
AIPAC owns Hollywood... the MSM/WAPO/NYT/etel
ZeroHedge is own'd by Tyler's !!!
Let Freedom Ring...
I want that on a t-shirt!
Why the reference to November, 1967?
Israel, UN Security Resolution 242, DuckDuckGo (fuck Google- NSA sell-out)
... it seems President Obama has some more questions to answer ...
The stench of B.O. is becoming overpowering.
He doesn't answer any questions, his teleprompter does. Also, his spineless little weasel-boy, Jay 'The' Carney, does the same thing.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/top-9-486-ways-jay-carney-won-t-104907191.html
Google 'impeach', the top suggestion is 'impeach Obama'. it's quite satisfying to view.
That should be "Right" Guard's new slogan.
No no no! You can't ask questions, dazz racizzt! That makes you a hateful racizzt person! Hey look over here - gay marriage! Syria! Stock market off the lows!
OT: What's up with oil all of the sudden?
The price, that's what's up with oil.
Very simple solution to all of this – give ALL Americans absolute immunity from prosecution from anything that is non-terror related if the NSA collects it.
How about an even more simple solution, that doesn't require paying for servers and people to skim the data... we prohibit the collection of the data and institute a viable right to privacy.
We already have that...we've just been electing supposed constitutional experts to get around it since it's inception...
We feel like we should have that, however the status of the law is a bit different. We do not have that.
Besides, there isn't anything under the Sun that can't be made "terror-related" if they so desire.
I think we can agree that the existing laws have been minimized and reinterpreted to ineffective shadows of what our founders sought...
The most overlooked part of the whole mess is that WE, the people, are the government. At this point, I'm sure there's even a contingency plan if we were actually able to vote the whole lot of criminals out of OUR government. I'm pretty sure any FOIA requests to verify that would get circle filed, as well...
Can we call it 'The Corzine Clause'? Actually, the way .Gov defines 'terror' now, we're all guilty just by being on ZH. ^^Macho Man is correct.
Moreover, his proposal does nothing for blackmail... audits... theft of trade secrets/proprietary information... you name it. Freedom from criminal prosecution is just the tip of the iceberg.
Do you own a pressure cooker? I'll be watching you.....
You're watching with envy those who own pressure cookers? I'll be watching you.....
Please identify the make, model, and year of your automobile.
Thank You,
The Whitehouse
I don't think immunity is the sole solution since people can be compromised even with knowledge of immunity. J Edgar Hoover survived 8 administrations by keeping secret files. Whomever is in charge of surveillance would have to excercise incredible self-discipline not to do the same. If not now, clearlly someone in the future. Even if they don't, the fear that they can must have an enormous influence on politicians and others. I'm not smart enough to know what the soluition is.
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" - Lord Acton
have a good secretary. (and i'm not talking one you can sleep with all time.)
The solution is transparency.
That means citizens on boards overseeing the .gov much more closely and CAMERAS EVERYWHERE ON .GOV
Kennedy said it best...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces&feature=player_embedded
The same model can be applied to any of our wonderful "institutions."
Corps too.
Then WE FIX IT.
Better yet, de-fund and abolish the NSA, CIA, FBI, BATFE, DEA, DOE, IRS and all the rest of the alphabet soup agencies.
That Bush is a sneaky ba$tard.... He was able to get a "sunrise" snooping plan in place which collected data only after Obama was in office. Obama had no chance!!
Could you imagine this being your job?
You turn up in the morning working for His Highness' NSA as a young pup, straight out of high school, and the first thing your boss says is 'Spy on those unwitting Americans over there son, although its against the law son, and against them folks' constitutional rights, just sit there son and read it all, then report back to me son with any funny behaviour and we'll put them people on a coloured list as potential terrists'.
You couldnt make this shit up, although I did make that up just there.
And people wonder why the Western World is beyond fucked? This is a parody of virtue at this point, its pure fucking un-adulterated evil.
The "fucked" part about it isn't that it gets done... that's kind of a basic acknowledgement of human behavior... we accept orders and are desperate for power and notoriety... that's a given. What's fucked is that: (a) snowden did all this shit for a long time before coming clean; and (b) for every snowden, there are 1,000,000 others who never disclose their activities nor seem to have much of a problem with it.
Do you think they get kids to do this stuff for no reason? Easily manipulated, controlled and bullied, if necessary. Snowden just happened to wake up from it before his 30th birthday. Faster than most, I would say. And, of course, many never wake up.
"you're first job is to spy on...." (insert someone very important here.)
Took me 'til I was damn near 40 to fully awaken and shake off all of the indoctrination. Hardly any of 'friends' even talk to me any more, except for the ones who are awake or are at least sheep-walking.
"This is a parody of virtue at this point, its pure fucking un-adulterated evil."
That is the fact Americans are reluctant to face. Unless enough of us do we are doomed to the fate they decide for us, financially and in our every day lives.
You've missed your true calling as a novellist!
Obama Requests 15,000 Russian Troops For “Upcoming” Disaster....
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1688.htm
Whatdoesitmean = Scorcha Faal.
'Nuff said.
Faal's highpoint was writing headlines for the late Weekly World News where he specialized in four headed alien babies with gonads the size of watermellons. How could you link this crap to inquiring ZH readers except under Thirsday humor?
Sorcha is actually a woman, round these parts we call her Sorcha Fail.
EVERYONE should learn to be a hacker!
"Ed Snowden, NSA, and fairy tales a child could see through":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iy1hP6F5i98
"...But this agency, with all its vast power and its dollars…
Can’t track one of its own, a man who came to work every day, a man who made up a story about needing treatment in Hong Kong for epilepsy and then skipped the country.
Just can’t find him.
Can’t find him in Hong Kong, where he does a sit-down video interview with Glenn Greenwald of The Guardian. Can’t find that “safe house” or that “hotel” where he’s staying.
No. Can’t find him or spy on his communications while he’s in Hong Kong. Can’t figure out he’s booked a flight to Russia. Can’t intercept him at the airport before he leaves for Russia . Too difficult."
Of course they knew exactly where he was in Hong Kong and that he was leaving on a commercial Russian passenger jet. Apparently they did not want to send in a hit team with the eyes of the world watching which could very well be gunned down by the Chinese or Russian elite military. Your comment is sort of ridiculous. I guess the idea of a CIA/NSA/Mossad hit against Snowden never occurred to Chinese and Russian intelligence.
As to Snowden being an NSA hang out operation. I think not. The damage to the USA bullshit mill is just too great. Are they really that stupid? One might argue that savvy people around the world already knew everything he released. Yeah. True. Maybe. But now your typical Arkansas pig farmer knows it, and that makes a big difference. He now knows that it ain't just those Aye-Rabs that the gobmint is after. They are spying on his swine as well.
As to Webster Tarpley's analysis. You know who Webster's biggest hero is? Yeah - the gold grabber - FDR. I am never sure just who Webster is working for, not that I pay him a lot of attention anymore. He is very insulting to animals, particularly hyenas and jackals. Next he will start to badmouth us turkey buzzards. :-)
> As to Snowden being an NSA hang out operation. I think not. The damage to the USA bullshit mill is just too great.
The damage to the US political bullshit mill is major. But the NSA and the powers behind it are still intact and will keep on spying on us. What's the use of having a huge spynest unless the herd knows that they're being spied on?
Snowden is designed to marginalize the political machine in DC. They now have no cred on the world stage, Congress and the Executive Branch are scared to death of the NSA and won't do a thing to change the status quo.
You can't touch Obama. Even if he murdered. He's the liberal's messiah.
Where he comes from even criminals are re-elected.
Is it any wonder that Obama said he was "concerned" about firther leaks today.
Of course. It could potentially endanger certain people's lives
not to mention secret operations.
Why didn't Snowed-In just go to Ecudor in the first place? Why did he go to Hong Kong?
There are travel restrictions on where NSA employees are allowed to go.
...like heaven, or purgatory?
Microsoft actively assisted NSA snooping:
Take Microsoft software as an important example. As part of the NSA unravelings, it was uncovered that Microsoft gives security holes to the National Security Agency for exploiting before it sends out security repair patches to its users and customers - essentially betraying the trust of every customer worldwide, and making sure that no government, corporation, or media outlet can ever trust Microsoft products again: for Microsoft gave the master key to every customers' operations to the NSA.
Without Snowden setting the ball rolling, we would not have known this, and we would continue to have been owned - in the hacker and literal sense of the word - by the United States. Now, we can at least see that any Microsoft-developed software, and probably any closed US-developed software, is a huge security risk that no nation outside the United States can afford to take.
http://rt.com/op-edge/snowden-us-secrets-truth-317/
There are holes that are left open intentionally.
Who in China, Hong Kong, Russia, India (6.3 billion pieces of information stolen from it a month by the NSA) will ever buy an iPhone or a Cisco router again?
There are enough people in these countries who could care less if they get spied on as long as they get to buy the latest iShit or whatever else is the latest in shittiness.
Apple keeps falling everyday even as the market rallies
I agree with all that. And anybody who has ever trusted Microsoft is a being fooled.
I posted on ZH several days ago that I have irrefutable evidence that Microsoft's latest version of its IE Browser has spyware in it, far woese than simply 'calling home' with innocuous data. No ifs and buts.
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...It did not include the content of emails.
I believe that. [/sarc.]
The obomba is a whore with his legs spread wide open. Had to get that off my chest
Unbelievable palindrome - spells "Evil" forward and backward or any other way you want to look at it.
More lies from spies
"It did not include the content of emails"
"More Lies From Spies"
The title of the next Bond movie?!
Hey they were consuming mass quantifies under Clinton(D) too - no surprise that they would be doing so under Obama(D) as well. It was called Carnivore back then, but I guess Prism sounds less hostile. Anyhow the current events are no shock, the shocker is all the rip-van-winkle privacy advocates coming out the woodwork now. Amusing and sad.
The fact that you make this a Democrat / Republican thing but leave the schrub and his lizard like Daddy out, demonstrates your degree of ignorance.
"it did not include the content of emails"
well that's just great, that just makes it all double good a ok dandy.
I am just so relieved...but wait.
WGA records keystrokes downloads them into a folder then uploads that info twice a day, everyday.
uploads to where I wonder?
so the content is not included yet every keystroke you type is...
face it, the NSA has everything account numbers, passwords, search requests , transaction info, emails, website visits, that subscription to teen farm you thought was private, they have it all, every last character imputed from every device you own. every last word you've spoken on every phone you've ever spoken on.
still despite the complete and utter destruction of any semblance of privacy, the sheeple still insist that it all good as long as you have nothing to hide...
they just don't get it.
My Canadian ISP dropped their e-mail service and we were directed to use MS e-mail. As that is an American company there were worrries that it wasn't secure from the US govt.
Do you really believe Obama's permission is needed by the good folks at the NSA? They've got more than enough dirt on him and every other political hack in Washington to bury him.
Since it's my birthday, a message to the NSA:
A THROW OF THE DICE
NEVER
EVEN WHEN TRULY CAST IN THE ETERNAL
CIRCUMSTANCE
OF A SHIPWRECK’S DEPTH
Can be
only
the Abyss
raging
whitened
stalled
beneath the desperately
sloping incline
of its
own wing
through an advance falling back from ill to take flight
and veiling the gushers
restraining the surges
gathered far within
the shadow buried deep by that alternative sail
almost matching
its yawning depth to the wingspan like a hull
of a vessel
rocked from side to side
THE MASTER beyond former calculations
where the lost manoeuvre with the age
rose
implying that formerly he grasped the helm
of this conflagration of the concerted
horizon at his feet
that readies itself
moves and merges
with the blow that grips it
as one threatens fate and the winds
the unique Number which cannot be another
Spirit
to hurl it
into the storm
relinquish the cleaving there and pass proudly
hesitates
a corpse pushed back by the arm from the secret
rather
than taking sides
a hoary madman
on behalf
of the waves
one overwhelms the head
flows through the submissive beard
straight shipwreck that of the man
without a vessel
empty
no matter where
ancestrally never to open the fist
clenched
beyond the helpless head
a legacy in vanishing
to someone
ambiguous
the immemorial ulterior demon
having
from non-existent regions
led
the old man towards this ultimate meeting with probability
this
his childlike shade
caressed and smoothed and rendered
supple by the wave and shielded
from hard bone lost between the planks
born
of a frolic
the sea through the old man or the old man against the sea
making a vain attempt
an Engagement
whose
dread the veil of illusion rejected
as the phantom of a gesture
will tremble
collapse
madness
WILL NEVER ABOLISH
AS IF
A simple insinuation
into silence entwined with irony
or
the mystery
hurled
howled
in some close swirl of mirth and terror
whirls round the abyss
without scattering
or dispersing
and cradles the virgin index there
AS IF
a solitary plume overwhelmed
untouched that a cap of midnight grazes or encounters
and fixes
in crumpled velvet with a sombre burst of laughter
that rigid whiteness
derisory
in opposition to the heavens
too much so
not to signal
closely
any
bitter prince of the reef
heroically adorned with it
indomitable but contained
by his petty reason virile
in lightning
anxious
expiatory and pubescent
dumb laughter
that
IF
The lucid and lordly crest of vertigo
on the invisible brow
sparkles
then shades
a slim dark tallness upright
in its siren coiling
at the moment
of striking
through impatient ultimate scales bifurcated
a rock
a deceptive manor
suddenly
evaporating in fog
that imposed
limits on the infinite
IT WAS THE NUMBER
stellar outcome
WERE IT TO HAVE EXISTED
other than as a fragmented agonised hallucination
WERE IT TO HAVE BEGUN AND ENDED
a surging that denied and closed when visible
at last
by some profusion spreading in sparseness
WERE IT TO HAVE AMOUNTED
to the fact of the total though as little as one
WERE IT TO HAVE LIGHTED
IT WOULD BE
worse
no
more nor less
indifferently but as much CHANCE
Falls
the plume
rhythmic suspense of the disaster
to bury itself
in the original foam
from which its delirium formerly leapt to the summit
faded
by the same neutrality of abyss
NOTHING
of the memorable crisis
where the event
matured accomplished in sight of all non-existent
human outcomes
WILL HAVE TAKEN PLACE
a commonplace elevation pours out absence
BUT THE PLACE
some lapping below as if to scatter the empty act
abruptly that otherwise
by its falsity
would have plumbed
perdition
in this region
of vagueness
in which all reality dissolves
EXCEPT
at the altitude
PERHAPS
as far as a place fuses with beyond
outside the interest
signalled regarding it
in general
in accord with such obliquity through such declination
of fire
towards
what must be
the Wain also North
A CONSTELLATION
cold with neglect and desuetude
not so much though
that it fails to enumerate
on some vacant and superior surface
the consecutive clash
sidereally
of a final account in formation
attending
doubting
rolling
shining and meditating
before stopping
at some last point that crowns it
All Thought expresses a Throw of the Dice
you just increased my cultural knowledge.
thank you and happy birthday
[original in french] pdf
My age, or my account's? There's the rub, the trick and the joke. Hurry, or you'll miss it.
Oh, and the formatting really does matter - spent ages fiddling around to get it roughly correct (and even then, errors creep in, even when "fixed").
aren't you like 12,000 years old or something? ;-)
i cannot fathom how long it took to get that formatting. i have enough trouble indenting text/block quotes in these comment entries!
so i understand that Stéphane Mallarmé was a forerunner of hypertext...
It's a joke about those who build with stone cutting tools
ProxMate cuts through such shit.
proxmate + chrome doesn't work so well...
thanks for the tip though
guess i need to consider switching browsers again...the irony is that i moved away from firefox a couple years ago for being a resource hog.
24 hours later, someone nuked the videos I linked to. (We do do this as a test, if you've missed it).
Shall we try this version, where there's a direct link to the Holocaust within it?
Wondering how far the censors will go to purge thought. Cattle cars containing homo sapiens, are you going to purge that from the subconscious now?
Fuck you, little ressentiment worms.
crazy shit. looks like the censors are two steps behind us.
btw, you saw that i found that apocalypse now quote? two links still not nuked...
Neaterized version:
The English Translation – Compressed, and Punctuated
A THROW OF THE DICE NEVER, EVEN WHEN TRULY CAST IN THE ETERNAL CIRCUMSTANCE OF A SHIPWRECK’S DEPTH, Can be only the Abyss raging, whitened, stalled beneath the desperately sloping incline of its own wing, through an advance falling back from ill to take flight, and veiling the gushers, restraining the surges, gathered far within the shadow buried deep by that alternative sail, almost matching its yawning depth to the wingspan, like a hull of a vessel rocked from side to side
THE MASTER, beyond former calculations, where the lost manoeuvre with the age rose implying that formerly he grasped the helm of this conflagration of the concerted horizon at his feet, that readies itself; moves; and merges with the blow that grips it, as one threatens fate and the winds, the unique Number, which cannot be another Spirit, to hurl it into the storm, relinquish the cleaving there, and pass proudly; hesitates, a corpse pushed back by the arm from the secret, rather than taking sides, a hoary madman, on behalf of the waves: one overwhelms the head, flows through the submissive beard, straight shipwreck that, of the man without a vessel, empty no matter where
ancestrally never to open the fist clenched beyond the helpless head, a legacy, in vanishing, to someone ambiguous, the immemorial ulterior demon having, from non-existent regions, led the old man towards this ultimate meeting with probability, this his childlike shade caressed and smoothed and rendered supple by the wave, and shielded from hard bone lost between the planks born of a frolic, the sea through the old man or the old man against the sea, making a vain attempt, an Engagement whose dread the veil of illusion rejected, as the phantom of a gesture will tremble, collapse, madness, WILL NEVER ABOLISH
AS IF A simple insinuation into silence, entwined with irony, or the mystery hurled, howled, in some close swirl of mirth and terror, whirls round the abyss without scattering or dispersing and cradles the virgin index there AS IF
a solitary plume overwhelmed, untouched, that a cap of midnight grazes, or encounters, and fixes, in crumpled velvet with a sombre burst of laughter, that rigid whiteness, derisory, in opposition to the heavens, too much so not to signal closely any bitter prince of the reef, heroically adorned with it, indomitable, but contained by his petty reason, virile in lightning
anxious expiatory and pubescent dumb laughter that IF the lucid and lordly crest of vertigo on the invisible brow sparkles, then shades, a slim dark tallness, upright in its siren coiling, at the moment of striking, through impatient ultimate scales, bifurcated, a rock a deceptive manor suddenly evaporating in fog that imposed limits on the infinite
IT WAS THE NUMBER, stellar outcome, WERE IT TO HAVE EXISTED other than as a fragmented, agonised hallucination; WERE IT TO HAVE BEGUN AND ENDED, a surging that denied, and closed, when visible at last, by some profusion spreading in sparseness; WERE IT TO HAVE AMOUNTED to the fact of the total, though as little as one; WERE IT TO HAVE LIGHTED, IT WOULD BE, worse no more nor less indifferently but as much, CHANCE Falls the plume, rhythmic suspense of the disaster, to bury itself in the original foam, from which its delirium formerly leapt to the summit faded by the same neutrality of abyss
NOTHING of the memorable crisis where the event matured, accomplished in sight of all non-existent human outcomes, WILL HAVE TAKEN PLACE a commonplace elevation pours out absence BUT THE PLACE some lapping below, as if to scatter the empty act abruptly, that otherwise by its falsity would have plumbed perdition, in this region of vagueness, in which all reality dissolves
EXCEPT at the altitude PERHAPS, as far as a place fuses with, beyond, outside the interest signalled regarding it, in general, in accord with such obliquity, through such declination of fire, towards what must be the Wain also North A CONSTELLATION cold with neglect and desuetude, not so much though that it fails to enumerate, on some vacant and superior surface, the consecutive clash, sidereally, of a final account in formation, attending, doubting, rolling, shining and meditating before stopping at some last point that crowns it All Thought expresses a Throw of the Dice
A. S. Kline,
3rd March 2007http://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/French/MallarmeUnCoupdeDes.htm
It's Stéphane Mallarmé, Kline is the translator, but there we go. There's even a video. A book on the subject: The Number and the Siren: a Decipherment of Mallarme's Coup De Des (AMZN)
It has been suggested that much of Mallarmé's work influenced the conception of hypertext, with his purposeful use of blank space and careful placement of words on the page, allowing multiple non-linear readings of the text. This becomes very apparent in his work Un coup de dés.
Few people get how radical Mr Julian Assange was being about "scientific journalism", and even fewer have taken up the challenge (the lame, crippled, incestuous usage by the online versions of the MSM counts not, and fails at all levels of purpose: too craven and slow to even link to public science papers, how base and pitiful they are). One does a little bit towards it, by enmeshing YouTube with commentary to formulate larger aggregates. (hint ~ a perfect YouTube would contain all media of note, cut into perfect blocks for mimetic usage. Trust me, it would spark all kinds of fun, it's sad you're on the cusp, and yet destroying it).
Evolve or Die. And trust me: at this point, your odds are not good.
that phonographic video of the poem reminded me of the theme song from dario argento's suspiria
I believe it is time for massive digging into our info that has been "shared" with our very trustworthy corporations.
Personal and business info?
How are we suppposed to operate and innovate?
I suggest a class action suit.
But most of all I believe DATA RIGHTS are one of our most fundemental human rights issues of our era. The other is PRIVACY RIGHTS.
Humans need this for their very well being.
This crap will lead to a faker society than we already have.
The problems we face are at our doorstep.
We must face them in truth.
Oh, and fuck the cloud.
"I suggest a class action suit."
Meaning no disrespect, but I don't think that a suit is going to have much effect on these criminals--NDAA is proof of this I believe.
At this stage I believe that only a "class action revolution" will have any effect.
The Four Rs:
Rejection--No pay, no obey.
Revolution--They're preparing for it, you should be as well. See NDAA 2012/2013/2014, etc.
Retribution--We will know who and what these sociopaths are guilty of, and is there really any place for the likes of them in a restored Constitutional and civil society?!
Restoration--Restore the Constitutional republic.
FWIW Dept: ***"At CIA, a convert to Islam leads the terrorism hunt" ___ by Greg Miller @ WAPO 3/25/12
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2012/03/25/a-convert-to-islam-leads-terrorism-hunt-276192.html
Note to above link: Website won't show it therefore just plug in *** above
[sic] "Signature strikes" ie. attacks on suspected militants with no probable-cause... based solely on their patterns of behavior?! "A new Flavor of Activity"
Note: needing no confirmation... like a treehugging teenage girl in Pakistan or Afghanistan! Now, that's kinetic [dynamic?] energy via collateral damage [at a body count of $1,000 per unfortunate innocent-- but whose counting] because she was a
Brownie!!! ... and doesn't count?!?
Ref: www.atimes.com/ and give ole Pepe Escobar a friendly 'Roving Eye"
Ps. Great read on Qadar's new Emir,... really funny if you like dryHumour-sarcasm,... as in SouthPark?!
thankyou Tyler
Stay in Africa, Barry. Fucking Tyrant.
new narrative developing:
so,
boston bombings + snowden leaks = nsa will increase domestic internet surveillance/censorship
[proposition: if the nsa had more authority/resources/ capabilities, then the bombings could have been prevented]
I get the impression Snowden, like Assange is just another leftist blowhard empty suit.
If Snowden were a patriot he'd release tapes of our traitor Senate negotiating the assumption of foreign Socialist bank liabilities for campaign donations, or the legalization of foreign criminal invasion of our own country for campaign donations or the invasion of Libya, Syria, Mali for campaign donations.
C'mon Snowden give us some raw meat, something we can use to string up a few Senators like Mussolini.
Talk is cheap.
As far as I can tell Snowden didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. "they're listening and recording everything"
Ya, we know, give us some meat!
For the third, and last time, Snowden is allowed to run and dance and jingle because he explicitly stated he didn't download anything that could damage individuals.
Operational stuff is fine, it allows the rest of the world to tell America (and its home grown muppets) to grow the fuck up and join the mature discussion over intel ('MURICA!), it allows the large tech players to squirm out of State control (apart from FaceBook - they're fucked, way too close to the NSA there Zucker, the others ain't gonna trust you now; although sharp and pointy teethed players should have noted that Yahoo! protested a little too hard, then got a nice, sharkey, red dressed CEO, hint hint, if you want to play the Big Game and get an inkling of the real moves going on) and it allows all the players to get on with the next big Game. No-one (apart from the stupid cunts) is shocked by any of this, it's all about positioning for the Big Game Break.
Grow the fuck up. Or, at the very least, look up Hastings, and what happened to him. Your tune of the night.
blast from the past. you just sent me back in time to my early childhood!
+1 for the fraggle
edit:
hastings' car hacked?
You mean besides letting everyone in the world know the Elite controlled US government and it's spy agencies are watching and recording everything they do.
I'm also concerned with private spying on the internet by employers etc. Not allowed in the EU. Shouldn't be in the US.
How many Booz Allens are there. It's one thing to have the "government" running a program. So what exactly is the need/funtion of Booz and the like. How does the NSA control access and what these I/Cs do with the "data". My premis is they do any fucking thing they want to do with it... legal or illegal.. hence a snowden can wreak havoc. if he were really smart he would have handed the info to Julian and let him wikileak it. and not reaveal his identity... can you imaging the chaos.
why did snowden selfsacrifice??????? And how do we know he didnt make a "trapdoor" for future access?????? how many snowdens are there we dont know about yet??????? how many other ultrasecret "anti terror" programs we dont know about..????? How many "data rendering" facilities and sub contractors are there around the world?????
What makes us think the russkies and chinks and israel and the brits and every other country and hacker and private mercenary secret buyer/seller in the world isnt doing what snowden did. of course they are ... they did it to the pentagon, the state department, rand corp..... the power gird.... then banks and wall street. need i say bloomberg..... what about the fed???
what about the punks who sell cc and ss info. ???? what is the irs selling????
who do you T R U S T........... NO ONE and nothing .....