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NSA Collected "Vast Amounts" of Americans' Emails Under Obama, Guardian Reveals

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Having appeared to confirm no 'actual' American emails were intercepted in previous statements, it seems President Obama has some more questions to answer after the Guardian reveals that in fact, the Obama administration permitted the National Security Agency to continue collecting vast amounts of records detailing the email and Internet usage of Americans for more than two years. “The internet metadata of the sort NSA collected for at least a decade details the accounts to which Americans sent emails and from which they received emails,” the Guardian's Greenwald wrote. “It also details the Internet protocol addresses (IP) used by people inside the United States when sending emails – information which can reflect their physical location. It did not include the content of emails." Is it any wonder that Obama said he was "concerned" about firther leaks today.

 

Via Russia Today,

The Obama administration permitted the National Security Agency to continue collecting vast amounts of records detailing the email and Internet usage of Americans for more than two years, new documents reveal.

 

According to leaked NSA documents published by The Guardian on Thursday, a secretive surveillance program that put email and Internet metadata into the hands of the United States government was authorized after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks by President George W. Bush and continued under President Barack Obama through 2011.

 

The leaked evidence comes three weeks to the day after The Guardian first began publishing classified NSA documents attributed to Edward Snowden, a 30-year-old former intelligence analyst from the US who is now wanted there for espionage. He is reportedly in Moscow and has sought asylum from at least two foreign countries.

 

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One of the two papers published this week, a 2009 working draft from the NSA’s Office of the Inspector General, explains how the agency initiated the "collection of bulk internet metadata" involving "communications with at least one communicant outside the United States or for which no communicant was known to be a citizen of the United States.” That document is marked as “top secret.”

 

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“The internet metadata of the sort NSA collected for at least a decade details the accounts to which Americans sent emails and from which they received emails,” the journalists wrote. “It also details the Internet protocol addresses (IP) used by people inside the United States when sending emails – information which can reflect their physical location. It did not include the content of emails.”

 

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Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:40 | 3699577 mercenaryomics
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Just heard this, Ecuador to accept Snowden and sends jab at US over our threat to cut off some trade relations:

 

"Ecuador gives up, unilaterally and irrevocably the said customs benefits…What’s more, Ecuador offers the United States economic aid of $23 million annually, similar to what we received with the trade benefits, with the intention of providing education about human rights…”

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:48 | 3699599 true brain
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The situation is this : Let say we have a fictional 18 yo in college. Let's call him Garry. He is super bright. He has a friend who is called Carl. Garry and Carl are good friends and exchanges email, phone call frequently.

Forward 20 years, Garry is now running for president of the USA. He is about to win, and a spook taps him on the shoulder on day and says "We owe you. If you don't do what we want, all  your email from 20 years ago will be made public. Your friend Carl is gay. and we think you're too."

So Garry is now a president and an NSA spook. He is going to start wars after wars after wars wherever they like. end of story.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:49 | 3699622 Pladizow
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Snowden has Obummer "Snowed-In".

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:53 | 3699646 tsx500
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who cares where Edward Snowden is right now . . . . . the real question is, who/when is the NEXT Edward Snowden ?!

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:57 | 3699667 krispkritter
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The 3-letter Gang said there won't be another one: http://rt.com/usa/cia-leak-memo-leaked-330/ because they said so.  Just like last time. And the time before that. And the time...

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:03 | 3699691 Joe Davola
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It did not include the content of emails.

What's the over/under until that's no longer the operative "truth"?

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:21 | 3699704 The Thunder Child
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There are two other lesser known NSA whistle blowers that are key to understanding this developing story.

William Binney reveals the how the NSA is capturing and storing almost all domestic electronic communications using Narus devices at key locations on the backbone of the internet (Room 641A & AT&T Leaks). This whole metadata meme is a blatant lie!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Russ Tice has revealed for the first time how the NSA targets and wiretaps US politicians, judges and ranking officers for blackmailing purposes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Here is the mp3 if you want to skip yt:

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/podpress...130617.mp3

This is the bread and butter that journalists should be talking about along with the NSA having direct server access to the largest software companies and the constant lies coming from the government...not where's waldo.

KEY POINT: Politicians are blackmailed and controlled by the military industrial complex. Democracy is an illusion, this is what Eisenhower warned us about!

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:22 | 3699761 ZerOhead
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Nailed it!

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:24 | 3699767 bank guy in Brussels
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And Narus is an Israeli company, now shoved under the Boeing umbrella

Snowden is being patronised by the extremely pro-Israel Julian Assange

Assange who checks with Israel before publishing Wikileaks

Assange who denounces 9-11 'truthers', supports the official story, that Muslims, not Israelis, were involved

3 super popular 'dissident heroes', all deeply criticising America ... BUT

All seeming to deflect attention away from US - Israel ...

Starting with Alex Jones of Prison Planet & Infowars ... has a lot of great stuff BUT

Jones stays away from Zionism & Israel, Alex has a Jewish wife ... Bilderbergers to the max with Alex, but no Israel ... 11 Sept 2001 stuff, but NOT the Israeli involvement that day

... Snowden perhaps also the 'limited hang-out' to keep the focus away from US-Israel

Americans will put up with their own corrupt government and Gestapo surveillance

But Americans might really resent it if they learn Israel pulled down the New York Twin Towers and is helping run all the surveillance on them

Nobody likes foreign control ... even tho they will submit to home-grown mafia

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:38 | 3699784 The Thunder Child
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I share the same concerns about Julian Assange, Wikileaks, AJ and Israel but I do not want that to distract from the current story on the NSA/GOV in any way. If TPTB see a weakness or a divisional tear you can be sure they will exploit it. So far the attempts at character assassination and turning this into a partisan issue are utterly failing and I would like their attempts to continue to fail.

Apparently he does have an encrypted dead man drop setup:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/technology/news/snowden-hides-encrypted-nsa-...

P.S. The mp3 link is incorrect in my above post here is the correct link:

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/podpress_trac/web/20927/0/BF.0112.Tice_2...

 

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:10 | 3699714 francis_sawyer
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Well ~ I'd say Barry [I mean 'Garry'] deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for his dedication to the cause of humanity... But the question remains... Is he still on the hook for Peggy Josephs gas & mortgage?...

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:21 | 3699757 cougar_w
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For domestic emails from non-terrorists they wouldn't bother with the entire contents of email as such. Just a digest of key words would do. If they find an interesting key word then they put you on some kind of "person of interest" watch list for a while, and a string of such observations puts you into a special "take everything" list. At least that is what everyone in the IT community is assuming.

A good estimate would be that 10 in 1000 US citizens who send domestic email have been deep-snooped simply due to corresponding about interesting topics. I'm guessing 1 in 1000 are being actively and continuously monitored and entire emails saved, on no more basis than frequently writing about interesting topics.

If you are a US citizen residing in the US and any of your emails went to a foreign country --  incl Canada and Mexico -- they probably keep all your emails to and from anywhere for up to 10 years.

The above measures would be considered minimally invasive and easily defensible in court under provisions of the Patriot Act etc. I have zero doubt at all that they are already doing this.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:42 | 3699835 francis_sawyer
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There are drones over my house as we speak recording my encrypted smoke signals...

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 14:05 | 3699961 disabledvet
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here's the only surfing i'm interested in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=HGjky5U64LM&NR=1 h/t to the Guardian of course.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 15:56 | 3700601 Yes We Can. But...
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I think the NSA should be forced, prior to mid-term elections, to reveal to any American requesting it, the complete contents of the profile they maintain on said American.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:13 | 3699726 monad
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Lets say we have a multinational criminal entity called SPECTRE, that runs a security force called the SS, that 'guards' all the significant and transitorilly important politicians. Bill Hicks: The Elite (Roll the film).

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 14:06 | 3699760 Gringo Viejo
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Hicks was the Lenny Bruce of his age;a political satire/comic genius. He left us way too soon.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:33 | 3699796 smacker
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Therein lies one of the many risks of private data collection by the spooks.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:36 | 3699806 I Am Not a Copp...
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@ true brain

Or Carl eventually married a fifth cousin of the Bin Laden clan, so now Garry will be hit with this right before election day and, due to his close relationship with a known terrorist, instead of the white house, he will report directly to Camp 4.  Or he will become president/spook as you say.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:51 | 3699632 ParkAveFlasher
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Correa diagnosed with cancer in 5, 4, 3, ...

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:54 | 3699648 coltek
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Nice one...

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:49 | 3699874 kito
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my avatar kicks ass....one of the few to stand up to the empire who left south america in shambles for so many decades............u.s. extracting, manipulating, extorting, pillaging, meddling, etc......all finally coming to an end in south america......and correa has alot to do with it...........................

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:41 | 3699580 tony wilson
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what is the guardian and the bbc

are they truth or just mi5 lies.

mossad and cia mi6 distraction or pressure.

SYRIA IS THE REAL WAR

BUT KEEP YAPPING ABOUT FREEDOM.

nothing better than freedom when your sucking in  bomb radiation

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:44 | 3699594 quasimodo
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"SYRIA IS THE REAL WAR" or perhaps the real distraction?

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:48 | 3699611 Spastica Rex
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A clever man would have you think that Syria is a distraction.

Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line!

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 14:51 | 3700263 Overfed
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Maybe it's all real, and we're just being intentionally overloaded.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 04:37 | 3707281 Ctrl_P
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Iocaine powder, I'd bet my life on it.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:48 | 3699620 puntme
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maybe theyre both distractions from something larger

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:51 | 3699633 Spastica Rex
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Or maybe neither are, or maybe both are, but the what they're distracting from is smaller, or maybe one is, but not the other. I'll be right back, I'm sketching up a matrix.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:05 | 3699696 NoDebt
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Stop!  Stop!  Please!  My brain itches.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:16 | 3699741 disabledvet
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the problem of "taking both the red and blue pill."

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:17 | 3699745 francis_sawyer
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It's all a distraction from the Goldman bet that the Cubs are going to win the World Series...

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:45 | 3699602 SimMaker
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"what is the guardian and the bbc"

 

They are both firmly in the Left Wing/Socialist camp. Both the BBC and Guardian were licking Obamas ass when (and before) he came to power.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:09 | 3699717 tony wilson
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do not call them team gb

TEAM ZION 

tavistock mental head wash

rothschild or death

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:27 | 3699774 SimMaker
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I do think this is all very, very curious.

 

As I mentioned, both the BBC and Graundian (See years of Private Eye for spelling explanation) were very much in the Obama camp. VERY MUCH in the Obama Camp. TOTAL

In fact the Grundian is so invovled with US politics, it started a letter writting campaing from Britain...asksing British people during the 2004 election, to write to their American cousins, and tell them why they should vote for whomever.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/oct/18/uselections2004.usa2

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/2004-11-04-brits-letters_x.htm

So I am a bit baffled as to why they have seemingly turned on Obama. Their chosen one. It does make me wonder if there is another motive for these releases. Will it all lead back to the GOP and the Bush years? Is there some joker card they will play?

LOTS of government whistle blowers have spoken out about illiegal practice by the US Government, from Area 51 workers poisoned by open burning of toxic waste to the word being out on the NSA and their snooping DECADES AGO!!!......yet they were always "conspiracy theory"......yet the MSM, and you HAVE to include the BBC in the MSM bracket, have put Snowden on a throne and called him the one true Christ............why? and why now?

All is not as it seems on this one, the whole thing.....smells a bit.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 15:05 | 3700343 earleflorida
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BBC is own'd by the Queen

Al Jazerra is own'd by Qatar

PBS is own'd by the 'State Dept'

AIPAC owns Hollywood... the MSM/WAPO/NYT/etel

ZeroHedge is own'd by Tyler's !!!

Let Freedom Ring...

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:45 | 3699600 williambanzai7
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ATLANTIC COVER

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:33 | 3699797 markovchainey
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I want that on a t-shirt! 

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 14:18 | 3700039 beachdude
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Why the reference to November, 1967?

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 15:38 | 3700529 Joe Sixpack
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Israel, UN Security Resolution 242, DuckDuckGo (fuck Google- NSA sell-out)

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:46 | 3699604 McMolotov
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... it seems President Obama has some more questions to answer ...

The stench of B.O. is becoming overpowering.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:51 | 3699629 krispkritter
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He doesn't answer any questions, his teleprompter does.  Also, his spineless little weasel-boy, Jay 'The' Carney, does the same thing.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/top-9-486-ways-jay-carney-won-t-104907191.html

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:56 | 3699661 Bearhug Bernanke
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Google 'impeach', the top suggestion is 'impeach Obama'. it's quite satisfying to view.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:59 | 3699676 SilverIsKing
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That should be "Right" Guard's new slogan.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:08 | 3699701 Tsunami Wave
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No no no! You can't ask questions, dazz racizzt! That makes you a hateful racizzt person! Hey look over here - gay marriage! Syria! Stock market off the lows!

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:46 | 3699606 HowardBeale
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OT: What's up with oil all of the sudden?

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:55 | 3699658 eclectic syncretist
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The price, that's what's up with oil.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:48 | 3699617 derrick773
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Very simple solution to all of this – give ALL Americans absolute immunity from prosecution from anything that is non-terror related if the NSA collects it.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:52 | 3699636 MachoMan
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How about an even more simple solution, that doesn't require paying for servers and people to skim the data...  we prohibit the collection of the data and institute a viable right to privacy.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:04 | 3699694 TheRegulator
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We already have that...we've just been electing supposed constitutional experts to get around it since it's inception...

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:51 | 3699881 MachoMan
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We feel like we should have that, however the status of the law is a bit different.  We do not have that.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 14:48 | 3700246 DollarMenu
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Besides, there isn't anything under the Sun that can't be made "terror-related" if they so desire.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 17:14 | 3700965 TheRegulator
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I think we can agree that the existing laws have been minimized and reinterpreted to ineffective shadows of what our founders sought...

The most overlooked part of the whole mess is that WE, the people, are the government. At this point, I'm sure there's even a contingency plan if we were actually able to vote the whole lot of criminals out of OUR government. I'm pretty sure any FOIA requests to verify that would get circle filed, as well...

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:54 | 3699644 krispkritter
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Can we call it 'The Corzine Clause'?  Actually, the way .Gov defines 'terror' now, we're all guilty just by being on ZH. ^^Macho Man is correct.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:58 | 3699672 MachoMan
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Moreover, his proposal does nothing for blackmail...  audits...  theft of trade secrets/proprietary information...  you name it.  Freedom from criminal prosecution is just the tip of the iceberg.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:55 | 3699659 Dr. No
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Do you own a pressure cooker?  I'll be watching you.....

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:01 | 3699680 SilverIsKing
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You're watching with envy those who own pressure cookers?  I'll be watching you.....

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 15:40 | 3700538 Joe Sixpack
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Please identify the make, model, and year of your automobile.

 

Thank You,

The Whitehouse

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:10 | 3699724 imapopulistnow
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I don't think immunity is the sole solution since people can be compromised even with knowledge of immunity.  J Edgar Hoover survived 8 administrations by keeping secret files.  Whomever is in charge of surveillance would have to excercise incredible self-discipline not to do the same.  If not now, clearlly someone in the future.  Even if they don't, the fear that they can must have an enormous influence on politicians and others.  I'm not smart enough to know what the soluition is.

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" - Lord Acton

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:18 | 3699751 disabledvet
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have a good secretary. (and i'm not talking one you can sleep with all time.)

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:47 | 3699841 scrappy
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The solution is transparency.

 

That means citizens on boards overseeing the .gov much more closely and CAMERAS EVERYWHERE ON .GOV

 

Kennedy said it best...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces&feature=player_embedded

 

The same model can be applied to any of our wonderful "institutions."

 

Corps too.

 

Then WE FIX IT.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 15:03 | 3700334 Overfed
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Better yet, de-fund and abolish the NSA, CIA, FBI, BATFE, DEA, DOE, IRS and all the rest of the alphabet soup agencies.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:48 | 3699619 Dr. No
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That Bush is a sneaky ba$tard.... He was able to get a "sunrise" snooping plan in place which collected data only after Obama was in office.    Obama had no chance!!

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:49 | 3699623 Inthemix96
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Could you imagine this being your job?

You turn up in the morning working for His Highness' NSA as a young pup, straight out of high school, and the first thing your boss says is 'Spy on those unwitting Americans over there son, although its against the law son, and against them folks' constitutional rights, just sit there son and read it all, then report back to me son with any funny behaviour and we'll put them people on a coloured list as potential terrists'.

You couldnt make this shit up, although I did make that up just there.

And people wonder why the Western World is beyond fucked?  This is a parody of virtue at this point, its pure fucking un-adulterated evil.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:55 | 3699662 MachoMan
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The "fucked" part about it isn't that it gets done...  that's kind of a basic acknowledgement of human behavior...  we accept orders and are desperate for power and notoriety...  that's a given.  What's fucked is that: (a) snowden did all this shit for a long time before coming clean; and (b) for every snowden, there are 1,000,000 others who never disclose their activities nor seem to have much of a problem with it.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:10 | 3699719 NoDebt
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Do you think they get kids to do this stuff for no reason?  Easily manipulated, controlled and bullied, if necessary.  Snowden just happened to wake up from it before his 30th birthday.  Faster than most, I would say.  And, of course, many never wake up.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:20 | 3699754 disabledvet
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"you're first job is to spy on...." (insert someone very important here.)

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 15:07 | 3700358 Overfed
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Took me 'til I was damn near 40 to fully awaken and shake off all of the indoctrination. Hardly any of 'friends' even talk to me any more, except for the ones who are awake or are at least sheep-walking.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:59 | 3699675 Shad_ow
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"This is a parody of virtue at this point, its pure fucking un-adulterated evil."

That is the fact Americans are reluctant to face.  Unless enough of us do we are doomed to the fate they decide for us, financially and in our every day lives.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 14:29 | 3700116 Thisson
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You've missed your true calling as a novellist!

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:53 | 3699645 Hannibal
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Obama Requests 15,000 Russian Troops For “Upcoming” Disaster....

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1688.htm

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:06 | 3699705 Aurora Ex Machina
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Whatdoesitmean = Scorcha Faal.

 

'Nuff said.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 16:15 | 3700697 el Gallinazo
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Faal's highpoint was writing headlines for the late Weekly World News where he specialized in four headed alien babies with gonads the size of watermellons.  How could you link this crap to inquiring ZH readers except under Thirsday humor?

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 18:48 | 3701271 Dave Thomas
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Sorcha is actually a woman, round these parts we call her Sorcha Fail.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:53 | 3699647 EmmittFitzhume
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EVERYONE should learn to be a hacker!

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 12:54 | 3699653 All Out Of Bubblegum
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"Ed Snowden, NSA, and fairy tales a child could see through":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iy1hP6F5i98

"...But this agency, with all its vast power and its dollars…

Can’t track one of its own, a man who came to work every day, a man who made up a story about needing treatment in Hong Kong for epilepsy and then skipped the country.

Just can’t find him.

Can’t find him in Hong Kong, where he does a sit-down video interview with Glenn Greenwald of The Guardian. Can’t find that “safe house” or that “hotel” where he’s staying.

No. Can’t find him or spy on his communications while he’s in Hong Kong. Can’t figure out he’s booked a flight to Russia. Can’t intercept him at the airport before he leaves for Russia . Too difficult."

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 16:08 | 3700661 el Gallinazo
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Of course they knew exactly where he was in Hong Kong and that he was leaving on a commercial Russian passenger jet.  Apparently they did not want to send in a hit team with the eyes of the world watching which could very well be gunned down by the Chinese or Russian elite military.  Your comment is sort of ridiculous.  I guess the idea of a CIA/NSA/Mossad hit against Snowden never occurred to Chinese and Russian intelligence.

As to Snowden being an NSA hang out operation.  I think not.  The damage to the USA bullshit mill is just too great.  Are they really that stupid?  One might argue that savvy people around the world already knew everything he released.  Yeah.  True.  Maybe.  But now your typical Arkansas pig farmer knows it, and that makes a big difference.  He now knows that it ain't just those Aye-Rabs that the gobmint is after.  They are spying on his swine as well.

As to Webster Tarpley's analysis.  You know who Webster's biggest hero is?  Yeah - the gold grabber - FDR.  I am never sure just who Webster is working for, not that I pay him a lot of attention anymore.  He is very insulting to animals, particularly hyenas and jackals.  Next he will start to badmouth us turkey buzzards. :-)

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 16:27 | 3700774 All Out Of Bubblegum
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> As to Snowden being an NSA hang out operation. I think not. The damage to the USA bullshit mill is just too great.

The damage to the US political bullshit mill is major. But the NSA and the powers behind it are still intact and will keep on spying on us. What's the use of having a huge spynest unless the herd knows that they're being spied on?

Snowden is designed to marginalize the political machine in DC. They now have no cred on the world stage, Congress and the Executive Branch are scared to death of the NSA and won't do a thing to change the status quo.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:00 | 3699677 yogibear
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You can't touch Obama. Even if he murdered. He's the liberal's  messiah.

Where he comes from even criminals are re-elected.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:02 | 3699685 Eternal Complainer
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Is it any wonder that Obama said he was "concerned" about firther leaks today.

Of course. It could potentially endanger certain people's lives
not to mention secret operations.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:02 | 3699687 syntaxterror
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Why didn't Snowed-In just go to Ecudor in the first place? Why did he go to Hong Kong?

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:05 | 3699698 williambanzai7
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There are travel restrictions on where NSA employees are allowed to go.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 15:41 | 3700545 Joe Sixpack
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...like heaven, or purgatory?

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:04 | 3699695 JustObserving
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Microsoft actively assisted NSA snooping:

Take Microsoft software as an important example. As part of the NSA unravelings, it was uncovered that Microsoft gives security holes to the National Security Agency for exploiting before it sends out security repair patches to its users and customers - essentially betraying the trust of every customer worldwide, and making sure that no government, corporation, or media outlet can ever trust Microsoft products again: for Microsoft gave the master key to every customers' operations to the NSA. 

Without Snowden setting the ball rolling, we would not have known this, and we would continue to have been owned - in the hacker and literal sense of the word - by the United States. Now, we can at least see that any Microsoft-developed software, and probably any closed US-developed software, is a huge security risk that no nation outside the United States can afford to take.

http://rt.com/op-edge/snowden-us-secrets-truth-317/

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:06 | 3699703 williambanzai7
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There are holes that are left open intentionally.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:21 | 3699758 JustObserving
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Who in China, Hong Kong, Russia, India (6.3 billion pieces of information stolen from it a month by the NSA) will ever buy an iPhone or a Cisco router again?

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:25 | 3699770 Mentalic
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There are enough people in these countries who could care less if they get spied on as long as they get to buy the latest iShit or whatever else is the latest in shittiness.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:31 | 3699789 JustObserving
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Apple keeps falling everyday even as the market rallies

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:19 | 3699753 smacker
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I agree with all that. And anybody who has ever trusted Microsoft is a being fooled.

I posted on ZH several days ago that I have irrefutable evidence that Microsoft's latest version of its IE Browser has spyware in it, far woese than simply 'calling home' with innocuous data. No ifs and buts.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:09 | 3699706 IridiumRebel
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Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:08 | 3699707 buzzsaw99
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...It did not include the content of emails.

 

I believe that. [/sarc.]

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:08 | 3699710 topspinslicer
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The obomba is a whore with his legs spread wide open. Had to get that off my chest

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:10 | 3699721 mayavision2012
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The NSA called it the "One-End Foreign (1EF) solution". It intended the program, codenamed EvilOlive, for "broadening the scope" of what it is able to collect.

 

 Unbelievable palindrome - spells "Evil" forward and backward or any other way you want to look at it.

 

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:17 | 3699746 Fuku Ben
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More lies from spies

"It did not include the content of emails"


Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:50 | 3699877 kchrisc
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"More Lies From Spies"

The title of the next Bond movie?!

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:44 | 3699847 bugs_
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Hey they were consuming mass quantifies under Clinton(D) too - no surprise that they would be doing so under Obama(D) as well.  It was called Carnivore back then, but I guess Prism sounds less hostile.  Anyhow the current events are no shock, the shocker is all the rip-van-winkle privacy advocates coming out the woodwork now.  Amusing and sad.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 15:43 | 3700552 el Gallinazo
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The fact that you make this a Democrat / Republican thing but leave the schrub and his lizard like Daddy out, demonstrates your degree of ignorance.  

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 13:55 | 3699905 marcusfenix
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"it did not include the content of emails"

well that's just great, that just makes it all double good a ok dandy. 

I am just so relieved...but wait.

WGA records keystrokes downloads them into a folder then uploads that info twice a day, everyday.

uploads to where I wonder?

so the content is not included yet every keystroke you type is...

face it, the NSA has everything account numbers, passwords, search requests , transaction info, emails, website visits,  that subscription to teen farm you thought was private, they have it all, every last character imputed from every device you own. every last word you've spoken on every phone you've ever spoken on.

still despite the complete and utter destruction of any semblance of privacy, the sheeple still insist that it all good as long as you have nothing to hide...

they just don't get it.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 14:00 | 3699930 robertocarlos
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My Canadian ISP dropped their e-mail service and we were directed to use MS e-mail. As that is an American company there were worrries that it wasn't secure from the US govt.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 14:06 | 3699967 22winmag
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Do you really believe Obama's permission is needed by the good folks at the NSA? They've got more than enough dirt on him and every other political hack in Washington to bury him.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 14:27 | 3700016 Aurora Ex Machina
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Since it's my birthday, a message to the NSA:

 

 

                                                                                                                                                     A THROW OF THE DICE

                                                                                                    NEVER

 

  EVEN WHEN TRULY CAST IN THE ETERNAL
  CIRCUMSTANCE
                                                                                                                                                      OF A SHIPWRECK’S DEPTH

Can be

         only

               the Abyss
raging
             whitened
                     stalled
                                     beneath the desperately
                                                    sloping incline
                                                                                       of its
                                                                                own wing
                                                                                         through            an advance falling back from ill to take flight
                                                                                                                                        and veiling the gushers
                                                                                                                                            restraining the surges

                                                                                                                               gathered far within
                                                                                      the shadow buried deep by that alternative sail

                                                                                                          almost matching
                                                                                                 its yawning depth to the wingspan like a hull

                                                                                                                       of a vessel                  
                                                                                                            rocked from side to side

             THE MASTER                                             beyond former calculations
                                                                              where the lost manoeuvre with the age
 rose                                                                                       
      implying                                                                           that formerly he grasped the helm
                             of this conflagration          of the concerted
                                                                                                     horizon at his feet
                                                                        
                                                           that          readies itself
                                                                                        moves and merges
                                                                                            with the blow that grips it
                                 as one threatens             fate and the winds

          the unique Number which cannot             be another
                                                                                                              Spirit
                                                                                                                         to hurl it
                                                                                                                                               into the storm
                                                                                                                                 relinquish the cleaving there and pass proudly
                                                           hesitates
                                   a corpse pushed back           by the arm from the secret
rather
           than taking sides
                  a hoary madman
                                  on behalf
                  of the waves
                                                                  one             overwhelms the head
                                                                                    flows through the submissive beard
                                             straight shipwreck             that of the man
                                                                                            without a vessel
                                                                                               empty           
                                                                                                                 no matter where

ancestrally never to open the fist
                                                                   clenched
                                                    beyond the helpless head
       a legacy in vanishing
                                       to someone
                                                                 ambiguous
                                 the immemorial ulterior demon
having
             from non-existent regions
                                                led
the old man towards this ultimate meeting with probability
                                                              this
                                                                      his childlike shade
caressed and smoothed and rendered
                                          supple by the wave and shielded
                                        from hard bone lost between the planks
                                                                      born
                                                                       of a frolic
the sea through the old man or the old man against the sea
                            making a vain attempt
                                                                                         an Engagement
whose
         dread the veil of illusion rejected
         as the phantom of a gesture
                                              will tremble
                                              collapse
                                                                     madness         
                                                                                                                  WILL NEVER ABOLISH 

AS IF

                                                       A simple                   insinuation

                                                                  into silence                  entwined with irony
                                                                                                                                           or
                                                                                                                                              the mystery
                                                                                                                                                                hurled
                                                                                                                                                                                howled

                                             in some close                   swirl of mirth and terror

                                                                         whirls                    round the abyss
                                                                                                                                                  without scattering
                                                                                                                                                                          or dispersing

                                                                                                                                              and cradles the virgin index there

 

                                                                                                                                                                             AS IF

         a solitary plume overwhelmed

                                                               untouched                             that a cap of midnight grazes or encounters
                                                                                                                                            and fixes
                                                                                                            in crumpled velvet with a sombre burst of laughter

                                                                                                               that rigid whiteness

                                                                                                      derisory
                                                                                                                              in opposition to the heavens
                                                                                                                       too much so
                                                                                                                               not to signal
                                                                                                                                                            closely
                                                                                                                                                                       any

                                                                                                                                 bitter prince of the reef

                                                                                                                               heroically adorned with it
                                                                                                                                              indomitable but contained
                                                                                                                                   by his petty reason virile

                                                                                                                                                                                 in lightning

anxious
                 expiatory and pubescent
                                                                                 dumb                                    laughter

                                                                                                                                                that
                                                                                                                                                                         IF   

                                                         The lucid and lordly crest             of vertigo  
                                                                                 on the invisible brow
                                                                sparkles
                                                                                  then shades
                                                          a slim dark tallness          upright
                                                                         in its siren coiling
                                                                                                                                          at the moment
                                                                                                                                                   of striking
                                                       through impatient ultimate scales          bifurcated

                                                                                                                                               a rock

                                                                                                                                           a deceptive manor
                                                                                                                                                          suddenly 
                                                                                                                                                             evaporating in fog

                                                                                                                                                       that imposed
                                                                                                                                                                  limits  on  the infinite

 

                                                  IT WAS                                                       THE NUMBER
                                                  stellar outcome  
                                                                                                                                       WERE IT TO HAVE EXISTED
                                                                                                                 other than as a fragmented agonised hallucination

                                                                                                                      WERE IT TO HAVE BEGUN AND ENDED
                                                                                                                    a surging that denied and closed when visible
                                                                                                                                              at last
                                                                                                                              by some profusion spreading in sparseness
                                                                                                                                         WERE IT TO HAVE AMOUNTED

                                                                                                                  to the fact of the total though as little as one

                                                                                                                                         WERE IT TO HAVE LIGHTED

IT WOULD BE                                                                        
               worse
                               no
                                         more nor less 
                                                                          indifferently but as much         CHANCE

                                                                                                          Falls
                                                                                                                the plume
                                                                                                                     rhythmic suspense of the disaster
                                                                                                                                                                          to bury itself
                                                                                                                                              in the original foam
                                                                                                      from which its delirium formerly leapt to the summit
                                                                                                                                                                       faded
                                                                                                                           by the same neutrality of abyss

                                                                         

                    NOTHING

                             of the memorable crisis
                                           where the event
                                                matured            accomplished in sight of all non-existent
                                                                                                                                                             human outcomes

                                                                                                                 WILL HAVE TAKEN PLACE
                                                                                                               a commonplace elevation pours out absence

                                                                                                                                      BUT THE PLACE
                                                                                    some lapping below as if to scatter the empty act
                                                                                                                                     abruptly that otherwise
                                                                                                                              by its falsity
                                                                                                                                                would have plumbed
                                                                                                                                             perdition

                                                                                    in this region
                                                                                                                       of  vagueness
                                                                                                                                         in which all reality dissolves

EXCEPT
                 at the altitude
                                    PERHAPS
                                                         as far as a place       fuses with beyond
                                                                                                                                        outside the interest
                                                                                                                                 signalled regarding it
                                                                                                                                                                   in general
                                                                                                          in accord with such obliquity through such declination
                                                                                                                                                                      of fire
                                                                                                                 towards
                                                                                                                      what must be
                                                                                                                            the Wain also North
                                                                                                                                        A CONSTELLATION
                                                                                                                          cold with neglect and desuetude
                                                                                                                                                                   not so much though
                                                                                                                                                            that it fails to enumerate
                                                                                                                           on some vacant and superior surface
                                                                                                                                                         the consecutive clash
                                                                                                                                                                           sidereally
                                                                                                                       of a final account in formation
                                                                                                      attending
                                                                                                                    doubting
                                                                                                                                    rolling
                                                                                                                                                  shining and meditating
                                                                                                                                                         before stopping
                                                                                                                                     at some last point that crowns it

 

                                                                                                                      All Thought expresses a Throw of the Dice

 

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 14:58 | 3700306 trader1
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you just increased my cultural knowledge.

thank you and happy birthday

[original in french] pdf

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 15:58 | 3700542 Aurora Ex Machina
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My age, or my account's? There's the rub, the trick and the joke. Hurry, or you'll miss it.

 

Oh, and the formatting really does matter - spent ages fiddling around to get it roughly correct (and even then, errors creep in, even when "fixed").

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 16:04 | 3700622 trader1
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aren't you like 12,000 years old or something? ;-)

 

i cannot fathom how long it took to get that formatting.  i have enough trouble indenting text/block quotes in these comment entries!

 

so i understand that Stéphane Mallarmé was a forerunner of hypertext...

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 16:12 | 3700668 trader1
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Unfortunately, this EMI-music-content is not available in Germany because GEMA has not granted the respective music publishing rights. Sorry about that. but this works
Thu, 06/27/2013 - 16:16 | 3700710 Aurora Ex Machina
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ProxMate cuts through such shit.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 16:35 | 3700824 trader1
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proxmate + chrome doesn't work so well...

thanks for the tip though

guess i need to consider switching browsers again...the irony is that i moved away from firefox a couple years ago for being a resource hog.

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 21:24 | 3705296 Aurora Ex Machina
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24 hours later, someone nuked the videos I linked to. (We do do this as a test, if you've missed it).

 

Shall we try this version, where there's a direct link to the Holocaust within it?

 

Wondering how far the censors will go to purge thought. Cattle cars containing homo sapiens, are you going to purge that from the subconscious now?

 

 

Fuck you, little ressentiment worms.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 03:15 | 3705678 trader1
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crazy shit.  looks like the censors are two steps behind us.

btw, you saw that i found that apocalypse now quote?  two links still not nuked...

 

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 15:15 | 3700412 kchrisc
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Neaterized version:

 The  English Translation – Compressed, and Punctuated

A THROW OF THE DICE NEVER, EVEN WHEN TRULY CAST IN THE ETERNAL CIRCUMSTANCE OF A SHIPWRECK’S DEPTH, Can be only the Abyss raging, whitened, stalled beneath the desperately sloping incline of its own wing, through an advance falling back from ill to take flight, and veiling the gushers, restraining the surges, gathered far within the shadow buried deep by that alternative sail, almost matching its yawning depth to the wingspan, like a hull of a vessel rocked from side to side

 

THE MASTER, beyond former calculations, where the lost manoeuvre with the age rose implying that formerly he grasped the helm of this conflagration of the concerted horizon at his feet, that readies itself; moves; and merges with the blow that grips it, as one threatens fate and the winds, the unique Number, which cannot be another Spirit, to hurl it into the storm, relinquish the cleaving there, and pass proudly; hesitates, a corpse pushed back by the arm from the secret, rather than taking sides, a hoary madman, on behalf of the waves: one overwhelms the head, flows through the submissive beard, straight shipwreck that, of the man without a vessel, empty no matter where

 

ancestrally never to open the fist clenched beyond the helpless head, a legacy, in vanishing, to someone ambiguous, the immemorial ulterior demon having, from non-existent regions, led the old man towards this ultimate meeting with probability, this his childlike shade caressed and smoothed and rendered supple by the wave, and shielded from hard bone lost between the planks born of a frolic, the sea through the old man or the old man against the sea, making a vain attempt, an Engagement whose dread the veil of illusion rejected, as the phantom of a gesture will tremble, collapse, madness, WILL NEVER ABOLISH

 

AS IF A simple insinuation into silence, entwined with irony, or the mystery hurled, howled, in some close swirl of mirth and terror, whirls round the abyss without scattering or dispersing and cradles the virgin index there AS IF

 

a solitary plume overwhelmed, untouched, that a cap of midnight grazes, or encounters, and fixes, in crumpled velvet with a sombre burst of laughter, that rigid whiteness, derisory, in opposition to the heavens, too much so not to signal closely any bitter prince of the reef, heroically adorned with it, indomitable, but contained by his petty reason, virile in lightning

 

anxious expiatory and pubescent dumb laughter that IF the lucid and lordly crest of vertigo on the invisible brow sparkles, then shades, a slim dark tallness, upright in its siren coiling, at the moment of striking, through impatient ultimate scales, bifurcated, a rock a deceptive manor suddenly evaporating in fog that imposed limits on the infinite

 

IT WAS THE NUMBER, stellar outcome, WERE IT TO HAVE EXISTED other than as a fragmented, agonised hallucination; WERE IT TO HAVE BEGUN AND ENDED, a surging that denied, and closed, when visible at last, by some profusion spreading in sparseness; WERE IT TO HAVE AMOUNTED to the fact of the total, though as little as one; WERE IT TO HAVE LIGHTED, IT WOULD BE, worse no more nor less indifferently but as much, CHANCE Falls the plume, rhythmic suspense of the disaster, to bury itself in the original foam, from which its delirium formerly leapt to the summit faded by the same neutrality of abyss

 

NOTHING of the memorable crisis where the event matured, accomplished in sight of all non-existent human outcomes, WILL HAVE TAKEN PLACE a commonplace elevation pours out absence BUT THE PLACE some lapping below, as if to scatter the empty act abruptly, that otherwise by its falsity would have plumbed perdition, in this region of vagueness, in which all reality dissolves

 

EXCEPT at the altitude PERHAPS, as far as a place fuses with, beyond, outside the interest signalled regarding it, in general, in accord with such obliquity, through such declination of fire, towards what must be the Wain also North A CONSTELLATION cold with neglect and desuetude, not so much though that it fails to enumerate, on some vacant and superior surface, the consecutive clash, sidereally, of a final account in formation, attending, doubting, rolling, shining and meditating before stopping at some last point that crowns it All Thought expresses a Throw of the Dice

A. S. Kline,

3rd March 2007http://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/French/MallarmeUnCoupdeDes.htm

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 16:13 | 3700561 Aurora Ex Machina
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It's Stéphane Mallarmé, Kline is the translator, but there we go. There's even a video. A book on the subject: The Number and the Siren: a Decipherment of Mallarme's Coup De Des (AMZN)


It has been suggested that much of Mallarmé's work influenced the conception of hypertext, with his purposeful use of blank space and careful placement of words on the page, allowing multiple non-linear readings of the text. This becomes very apparent in his work Un coup de dés.

 

Few people get how radical Mr Julian Assange was being about "scientific journalism", and even fewer have taken up the challenge (the lame, crippled, incestuous usage by the online versions of the MSM counts not, and fails at all levels of purpose: too craven and slow to even link to public science papers, how base and pitiful they are). One does a little bit towards it, by enmeshing YouTube with commentary to formulate larger aggregates. (hint ~ a perfect YouTube would contain all media of note, cut into perfect blocks for mimetic usage. Trust me, it would spark all kinds of fun, it's sad you're on the cusp, and yet destroying it).

 

 

Evolve or Die. And trust me: at this point, your odds are not good.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 16:28 | 3700780 trader1
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that phonographic video of the poem reminded me of the theme song from dario argento's suspiria

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 14:40 | 3700061 scrappy
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I believe it is time for massive digging into our info that has been "shared" with our very trustworthy corporations.

Personal and business info?

How are we suppposed to operate and innovate?

I suggest a class action suit.

But most of all I believe DATA RIGHTS are one of our most fundemental human rights issues of our era. The other is PRIVACY RIGHTS.

Humans need this for their very well being.

This crap will lead to a faker society than we already have.

The problems we face are at our doorstep.

We must face them in truth.

Oh, and fuck the cloud.

 

 

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 15:26 | 3700472 kchrisc
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"I suggest a class action suit."

Meaning no disrespect, but I don't think that a suit is going to have much effect on these criminals--NDAA is proof of this I believe.

At this stage I believe that only a "class action revolution" will have any effect.

 

The Four Rs:

Rejection--No pay, no obey.

Revolution--They're preparing for it, you should be as well. See NDAA 2012/2013/2014, etc.

Retribution--We will know who and what these sociopaths are guilty of, and is there really any place for the likes of them in a restored Constitutional and civil society?!

Restoration--Restore the Constitutional republic.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 14:32 | 3700109 earleflorida
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FWIW Dept:  ***"At CIA, a convert to Islam leads the terrorism hunt" ___  by Greg Miller @ WAPO 3/25/12

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2012/03/25/a-convert-to-islam-leads-terrorism-hunt-276192.html

Note to above link:      Website won't show it therefore just plug in *** above

 [sic] "Signature strikes" ie. attacks on suspected militants with no probable-cause... based solely on their patterns of behavior?!   "A new Flavor of Activity"

Note: needing no confirmation... like a treehugging teenage girl in Pakistan or Afghanistan! Now, that's kinetic [dynamic?] energy via collateral damage [at a body count of $1,000 per unfortunate innocent-- but whose counting] because she was a
Brownie!!! ... and doesn't count?!?

Ref:    www.atimes.com/    and give ole Pepe Escobar a friendly 'Roving Eye"

Ps. Great read on Qadar's new Emir,... really funny if you like dryHumour-sarcasm,... as in SouthPark?!

thankyou Tyler 

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 15:06 | 3700356 gdiamond22
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Stay in Africa, Barry. Fucking Tyrant.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 15:53 | 3700589 SmittyinLA
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I get the impression Snowden, like Assange is just another leftist blowhard empty suit.

If Snowden were a patriot he'd release tapes of our traitor Senate negotiating the assumption of foreign Socialist bank liabilities for campaign donations, or the legalization of foreign criminal invasion of our own country for campaign donations or the invasion of Libya, Syria, Mali for campaign donations. 

C'mon Snowden give us some raw meat, something we can use to string up a few Senators like Mussolini.  

Talk is cheap. 

As far as I can tell Snowden didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. "they're listening and recording everything"

Ya, we know, give us some meat!

 

 

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 16:27 | 3700721 Aurora Ex Machina
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For the third, and last time, Snowden is allowed to run and dance and jingle because he explicitly stated he didn't download anything that could damage individuals.

Operational stuff is fine, it allows the rest of the world to tell America (and its home grown muppets) to grow the fuck up and join the mature discussion over intel ('MURICA!), it allows the large tech players to squirm out of State control (apart from FaceBook - they're fucked, way too close to the NSA there Zucker, the others ain't gonna trust you now; although sharp and pointy teethed players should have noted that Yahoo! protested a little too hard, then got a nice, sharkey, red dressed CEO, hint hint, if you want to play the Big Game and get an inkling of the real moves going on) and it allows all the players to get on with the next big Game. No-one (apart from the stupid cunts) is shocked by any of this, it's all about positioning for the Big Game Break.

 

Grow the fuck up. Or, at the very least, look up Hastings, and what happened to him. Your tune of the night.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 16:45 | 3700859 trader1
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blast from the past. you just sent me back in time to my early childhood!  

+1 for the fraggle

 

edit:

hastings' car hacked?

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 16:23 | 3700750 SMG
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You mean besides letting everyone in the world know the Elite controlled US government and it's spy agencies are watching and recording everything they do.

Thu, 06/27/2013 - 19:02 | 3701309 wattsnotsaid
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I'm also concerned with private spying on the internet by employers etc. Not allowed in the EU. Shouldn't be in the US.

Fri, 06/28/2013 - 10:11 | 3703160 esum
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How many Booz Allens are there. It's one thing to have the "government" running a program. So what exactly is the need/funtion of Booz and the like. How does the NSA control access and what these I/Cs do with the "data". My premis is they do any fucking thing they want to do with it... legal or illegal.. hence a snowden can wreak havoc. if he were really smart he would have handed the info to Julian and let him wikileak it. and not reaveal his identity... can you imaging the chaos. 

why did snowden selfsacrifice???????   And how do we know he didnt make a "trapdoor" for future access??????  how many snowdens are there we dont know about yet??????? how many other ultrasecret "anti terror" programs we dont know about..????? How many "data rendering" facilities and sub contractors are there around the world????? 

What makes us think the russkies and chinks and israel and the brits and every other country and hacker and private mercenary secret buyer/seller in the world isnt doing what snowden did. of course they are ... they did it to the pentagon, the state department, rand corp..... the power gird.... then banks and wall street. need i say bloomberg..... what about the fed??? 

what about the punks who sell cc and ss info. ???? what is the irs selling???? 

who do you     T R U S T........... NO ONE and nothing .....

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