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Which Households Have Incomes Below $30,000?

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Looking at the demographics of households with less than $30,000 a year in income, it appears they are mostly headed by retired people. As Visualizing Economics notes, households with incomes below $30,000 are more likely to be located in rural and urban areas than the national average...


and looking at the the poverty rate by county, very low income households (under $23,000 for a family of four) are concentrated in places like Mississippi, Texas, and South Dakota.



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Sat, 06/29/2013 - 19:53 | 3706687 Sequitur
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Paula Deen country yaaaallllll.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 19:57 | 3706701 phyuckyiu
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It always amazes me how some white people flip a lid when you talk about having children with a nice asian woman. The white man ain't doin so hot, 63% vs. 3% asian. Tell me what genetic stock we are preserving again?

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 20:21 | 3706751 Dasa Slooofoot
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Now look at the all households circle and figure out why they're close to each other, you stupid cunt.  

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 21:28 | 3706854 Muppet Pimp
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The heatmap clearly shows that the best places in the United States to live and raise families are the Chicago area and the Corridor that is centered around the area from DC to NYC.  So now the truth has been brought to light there is no more reason for any misunderstanding or contemplation.  If we merely follow the recommendations of our best Ivy League trained Leftist eCONomists, we can move to transform those southern rednecks who just don't get it so they too can get a taste of the good life.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 21:37 | 3706870 nmewn
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Lawdy lawdy!...we saved I tells ya!

Because clearly, the NE has always had our best interests at heart since our founding ;-)

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 22:41 | 3706988 IridiumRebel
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Oh yes! A bastion if morals I tell ya! I can count on my thumbs the people in my wife's hospital that aren't having affairs. They all are fucking each other and then go buy a 55K Escalade they can't afford to feel better about themselves. The patients are worse. One gal came in yesterday. 26 yrs old pregnant with her SEVENTH child. Complained about stomach cramps cuz su esposo hit her in the gut. She smokes too. My wife let her have it. She can't even work amongst the filth anymore.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 23:04 | 3707042 SafelyGraze
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the solution is as simple as it is obvious:

create more branches of the fed

lots more

the chart illustrates the fact that, generally speaking, fedResNotes (aka 'bankingmedium') don't make it very far past the fed branches

electronic banking helps push some of the loaned currency into employees' hands. interstates help a little, also.

but the best step would be to celebrate the centennial of the fedres by launching a fedres^squared initiative

instead of 12 branches, place 144 of them across the landscape

and then see the green shoots grow and grow and grow

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 02:12 | 3707207 Skateboarder
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Quite a genius idea my friend.

I don't know how many FRNs are in circulation at the moment, but imagine squaring that quantity. A billion squared (10^9) is a billion billion (10^18). Now imagine what the means in derivative land! We're talking about digital money in the order of 10^24. That's a mole of money man, a whole fucking mole.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 02:32 | 3707216 1C3-N1N3
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I'm the other upvoter here, on the grounds that I've said before that the USA will undergo a Soviet-style breakup but as icing on the cake will have plenty of FED branches to administer "monetary" policy over the new states. Possibly a new second-tier currency just for what-amounts-to FEMA camp laborers (which conveniently they will use to buy up dollar debt, restoring dollar strength and squarely segregating nearly all existing debt into the laboring class once and for all).

I saw you said you're 25 -- I'm 27. We got some work to do, bud.

(Not a skater, but I have a wonderful history with them. Broke my straight-edge to brew beer.)

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 03:45 | 3707252 Skateboarder
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Sounds good man, played well. I grew up on all varieties of blues, rock, punk, and metal, as one would expect. You use software drums? I play the guitar also, really hope I will get to keep doing so through the rest of my days... Homebrewing is an art/craft/science for those of us blessed with good palates, I've had some good success with brewing before and will most definitely jump back into it as I ease out of being an engineer and into a farmer/teacher in the next chapter to come. Prices of all ingredients have essentially tripled or more since I first started brewing.

The idea of a second-tier currency is pretty immense. Mention it to anyone on the planet now and you'll be laughed at. Post collapse? I think not. One currency for the ruling class and another one for the rest doesn't seem out of scope. You know damn well there aint gonna be a restoring the USD/EUR. Like most other ZHers, I'm expecting (but not counting on... big difference!) a return to at least a partial gold-backed standard on the global scale, with China and India leading the way in terms of personal bartering freedom. You're totally right though, we have a lot of work to do in preserving what we know and teaching kids how to be free self-reliant humans who won't be held captive by debt.

ZHers should form a country.

Listen to some Blut Aus Nord:

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 04:26 | 3707274 1C3-N1N3
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Thanks. Ya, I don't own a drum kit so I use "Hydrogen". Awesome freeware.

That Blut Aus Nord is right up my alley. Thanks for that. Keeping with French artists, I've been digging The Algorithm and Igorrr lately.

My old man's an engineer, but I still haven't gone to college yet -- not a buyer at this time, my decision. Was straight-A's in high school, though.

One currency for the ruling class and another one for the rest...

Only place where I differ from you here is that I think at least gold will be freed-up as the top-tier element above currencies, used in deals-too-important-for-currency. So one currency for the "creative/organizational/entrepreneurial" class, one for the "laborer" class, and metals for the "master" class. My own speculation. (I hear FOFOA says something somewhat similar about severing gold from fiat but I've never read him.)

Ultimately, "stay outta debt" is the best thing to tell the young'uns. They might do it if the guy screaming his nuts off on stage says so, but then that opens up a whole new can of worms re: obeying perceived authorities...

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 12:09 | 3707726 RaceToTheBottom
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The problem with all the healthcare workers in the US is the bad shoes.  It all starts there and goes downhill.

for an alternative

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 08:57 | 3707434 granolageek
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Mississippi. QED.

Rick Perry. One should not laugh at the handicapped.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 22:31 | 3706968 tarsubil
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Actually, look at Minneapolis/St. Paul. It clearly shows that the best place to live is the suburbs. Atlanta and Chicago also kind of show this but the counties in Minnesota just make it obvious with the light center and darker blue ring. 

I've driven through big chunks of the red in south Georgia and Alabama. It is like another world. What I imagine 3rd world looks like. Is that what tomorrow will look like? I'm not sure. I figure people won't be so damn fat when food becomes truly expensive and is home grown from necessity.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 22:37 | 3706980 Muppet Pimp
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Spoken as could be expected from a LibUSRat, good show sir.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 23:11 | 3707052 DaveyJones
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the worst state to live is clearly DeLusion

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:44 | 3707508 ATM
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It actualy looks like th ebest place to live is Wyoming or most of the intermountain West less the Indian reservations.

If you think the South looks like the 3rd world you really need to travel more, or at least some. You cannot beleive how bad the reaL 3rd world looks, but the people all smile.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 20:46 | 3706784 VictoryOrDeath
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The Asian population in the U.S. mostly consists of recent immigrants who were some of the brightest in their country with the best aptitude, attitude and ambition to start a new and better life for their family. 

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 23:12 | 3707055 DaveyJones
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Here is Microsoft land, the cheap (smart) labor USED to be India, it is now China 

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 02:13 | 3707208 Skateboarder
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Indian education got so watered down that you're better off hiring a Mexican gardener to design your newest chipsets.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:45 | 3707511 ATM
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That's why we must stop immigration. We can't be haivng smart, ambitious risk takers move tot he US. It will upset the apple cart.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 20:50 | 3706788 Divine Wind
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Asian women are marvelous, particularly those who are first or second generation immigrants.

They understand the definitive male and female roles are are happy with their part.

Most tend to be highly conservative and have little time for bullshit.

They understand and celebrate masculinity in men.

In most Asian cultures the women understand that family is central to everything and 2, 3 and sometimes 4 generations under the same roof is the norm and expected. They understand that you take care of elder family members in their old age, not shuffle them off to retirement communities or nursing homes.

As a result of their cultural experience with 2nd and 3rd world agrarian societies, Asian women also grasp the extreme importance of higher education, pushing the children in their studies and they have little tolerance for mediocrity, substandard or average performance.

None of this mamby pamby gentle childhood, everyone is a winner bullshit.

Asian women rock.

American women are OK, but in the current day and age, one has to be exceedingly careful. Sense of family is greatly reduced, loyalty is increasingly thrown overboard for the 'divorce and go it alone' strategy, expectations and demands in many cases are unrealistic, etc...

Just my take on the matter.


Sat, 06/29/2013 - 20:59 | 3706808 MisterMousePotato
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Michener wrote about this in what I think was his first book: The Bridge Over Toko-Rio, or something like that.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 23:43 | 3707078 macholatte
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My geography is a little rusty. By Asian do you mean Russian, or Indian, or Polish, or Turkish, or Bulgarian or Pakastani?  I get confused.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 21:29 | 3706857 Harbanger
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All women that were'nt brainwashed by the social engineers and marketeers of the West are marvelous.  Especially women that lived thru the cultural upheaval and managed to maintain their values.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 21:42 | 3706880 zerozulu
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Very good analysis. Here are my 2 cents. Asian couple understands that a car cannot go straight if it is driven by two drivers at the same time. one drives, other plays navigator.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 22:44 | 3707001 otto skorzeny
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Asians can't drive worth a shit.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 22:51 | 3707011 Colonel
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 Lol, that is a bad analogy he's using there. DWA - Driving While Asian, should be an offense.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 23:30 | 3707068 samsara
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I think some Licenses should be stamped

RLO   Right Lane Only

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 00:06 | 3707096 Bear
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I live next door to Korean family ... Mother, Father, Son, Daughter (both teens) ... they own four BMW's ... total dent count 24. Father's car has zero, the rest mucho. Fortunately they have only hit my car once.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:43 | 3707573 post turtle saver
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that's because dad appreciates his ride and the others have their bimmers as status symbol trinkets that they didn't earn... this is regardless of race/creed/color, you can tell when someone has earned their ride because it will be well maintained in general

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 19:07 | 3708630 post turtle saver
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I see that guy's wife reads ZH lol - about the reaction I'd expect from a housecat being called what it is

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 21:54 | 3706897 Muppet Pimp
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Excellent post Divine Wind.  I wince when I read the FT articles which provide such timeless wisdom that the only solution now for the Japanese are to abandon their culture and get their women to work, pronto.  They have not taken the bait, something tells me they may not be quite so malleable as the West in this matter.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 02:02 | 3707198 Totentänzerlied
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You should check the statistics, Japanese women are rushing into the workforce and have been for decades, though only relatively recently to actually replace men, who cost too much and have started to realize that they have no future and that their entire society is utterly doomed in its current configuration.

Like every other industrialized country, first they turn the women into consumerists, then as the Ponzi progresses, they convince them that they deserve to work and should desire to, to increase the Ponzi participation rate.

Their culture like all others was far from perfect, but it was well-adapted to its circumstances - as all cultures necessarily must be or they quickly die off, which brings us to today...

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 13:32 | 3707883 Magically Delicious
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Well said.  I'm dating a Japanese woman over here in the states on business.  She's described to me the deep malaise in her country (especially amongst men) in great detail.  That said, her observations are always interesting to me. She observes that our welfare class is in control (we live in Maryland, ironically the wealthiest state) and that the costs for every service are inflated.  More importantly, her impression of white&black "american" women is that they are generally mindless consumers and very un-feminine.  She feels that the aforementioned mindset has taken root in Japan and that it's time for her to get out.  Can't say I disagree...

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 22:55 | 3706995 Colonel
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Take that BS somewhere else. Asian women are the biggest gold diggers around they make white women look like Saints. The Phillipino variety are too tabasco hot for the white man and commit adultery on the poor saps all the time before they rob him blind. Had a friend in a support group for white men married to Phillipino women most pathetic thing you ever saw. But if white man "have good guvmint check" etc.. (said in faked broken english) Asian chick love you long time... or more likely for a little while before she gets the goods. Just ask Farcebook founder Suckerberg.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 23:01 | 3707035 nmewn
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lol...there support groups for "macho white men" taking Phillipino women as wives and then getting taken advantage of?

What happened to kicking her ass out, buying a bottle of scotch and calling it a "life experience"?

I'm clearly out of my element here ;-)

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 23:08 | 3707048 Colonel
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"lol...there support groups for "macho white men" taking Phillipino women as wives and then getting taken advantage of?"

There is. Happens all the time to dumb white guys that end up in the Phillipines for one reason or another. Military,peace corps etc... Some get roped in the states but most when they're over in Asia. Those "women" there know which side their bread is buttered on.


Sat, 06/29/2013 - 23:34 | 3707070 nmewn
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Looking for love in all the wrong places...if they're that stupid I don't know of any support group that can help them.

In fact, I'm not a big fan of "support groups" in general...if one can't figure out how one manipulated oneself into believing someone loves you because you are the breadwinner (in this case) you're pretty fucked up and no amount of ego stroking support is going to help.

But thats just me.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:31 | 3707561 Hedgetard55
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     From experience, I can tell you that you cannot convince an 18 or 19 year old sailor that his hooker is not really in love with him, and will get him caught up in "legal hold" when the ship sails for home, in order to make a few more Phillipine pesos.  :~)

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:48 | 3707586 20834A
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+1 Been there, seen that. Really quite sad hearing a fat, pimply young male gushing about how much the pretty little fillipina hooker down at the Owl's Nest loves him.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 12:15 | 3707739 nmewn
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"I can tell you that you cannot convince an 18 or 19 year old sailor that his hooker is not really in love with him..."

lol...thats probably true. Just seems like the ick-factor would kick in at some point, like when his dick started burning when he took a leak in a week or two ;-)

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 12:56 | 3707818 sgorem
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remember the song of Tony Martin? "Left My Heart And Wallet In Olongapo City", or "I Caught The Clap Under The Moon At Subic Bay", or, "I Got Married On The Bridge Over Shit River"? Spent a CENTURY there one year, LOVED EVERY MINUTE OF IT. just didn't get married......................

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 18:00 | 3708450 Bendromeda Strain
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Banca boats, jeepneys and monkey meat. Let's all go to barrio for some mojo and painted label San Miguel's!

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 00:25 | 3707113 Dingleberry
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Over 1/4 of white women are on psych meds. They have truly and collectively gone insane. They are the ones that tried to make a dog a cat and vice versa. Hence, the destruction of the family unit and of themselves and their children. Especially since the force of law is behind them completely when it comes to divorce and family law.


They drank the feminist Kool-Aid and let their egos run wild.

It has turned into vodka and valium.  

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 07:15 | 3707358 20834A
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All this parsing of womens failings and not ONE PEEP of analysis about men?  So much for personal responsibility... What a bunch of whiners.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:47 | 3707583 Ballin D
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That would be an irrelevant peep that adds little to the main point but serves to distract and incite an argument. Doesnt sound very masculine to me.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 13:00 | 3707824 sgorem
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i see NO failings in the "weaker ?" sex. love em ALL! two tits, a hole, and a heart beat if things turned really rough:)

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 14:36 | 3710893 Caveman93
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Same can be validated for most Persian women as well.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 20:52 | 3706799 noless
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Reparations y'all, funny how it all hit at once data wise, still not sure if I'm reading the graph wrong.

Sorry though, still hoping on red hair green eyes. But black and blue will do too.

Just what it is i guess.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:06 | 3707527 all-priced-in
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You are not looking at it correctly -


White is 71% (gray dot) of total population - and 63% (colored dot)of households under $30K.


Asian is 3.1% (gray dot) of population and 3% (colored dot) of households under $30K.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 20:53 | 3706738 nmewn
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Whadya reckon all that red along the border of Texas is about...lack of tortillas or grits?



Apparently the mostly uninhabited wasteland CITY of Detroit still rates Wayne County Michigan as a blue.


Sun, 06/30/2013 - 11:36 | 3707664 SaveTheBales
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Whaday reckon all that red along the border of Texas is about...

If you take the drive southward toward Big Bend, you'll find something interesting -- travel trailers, scattered about 3 miles apart, all the way to the border.  Some of them brand new Airstreams.

If you ever wanted to get away from it all, this would do the job.  $20K = 60 acres.  Its the northern Chihuahua Desert, and you know damn good and well you will never -- not as long you live, will see a government agent of any kind until the Chili Cookoff.


Sun, 06/30/2013 - 13:06 | 3707835 sgorem
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greened ya nmewn. the only reason the wasteland is colored blue is because the only fucking "people" left in Detroit are overpaid politicians and city, county, and state employees. being paid to turn the lights on and off for airplanes flying over at night so flyers won't notice that BLACK HOLE on the shores of Lake Michigan!

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 19:54 | 3706690 phyuckyiu
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Man, most of the dark red are Native American Reservations. I've driven through four corners before too, it's really fucking sad :/

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 22:47 | 3707008 Mr. Mandelbrot
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I grew up in rural Alabama and have lived and travelled in many different parts of the country.  There is a ton of decay, rot, poverty and hopelessness in a many of these "blue" sections of the country, especially through the rust belt.  At the same time, my impression is that rural folk in the deep south, while not living a flashy life, are rather self-sufficient and typically own property and hoard cash and assets.  Is this map and it's color codes a measure of poverty or how "on-the-grid" areas are?

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 07:00 | 3707348 SpeakerFTD
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All I know is that defining povery by a single, nationwide income level is ludicrous.   I'd like to see the same heatmap with (income/cost-of-living).    Control for the COLI, and the NE would look a lot less blue.



Sun, 06/30/2013 - 01:01 | 3707146 cynicalskeptic
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'Native American' isn't a choice under 'race'.  If it was, you'd see a huge number of those under $30,000 households there.  We've pushed the remnants of the original population into the worst land and treated them horribly.  Even when they are due payments on oil or minerals they're cheated.

There's horrible, third world party poverty on reservations.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 01:19 | 3707167 A Nanny Moose
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Indeed. Kayenta, Tuba City...Teec Nos Pos. If you want to see abject poverty in the US, and experience the outcome of government run anything, visit the average reservation.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 12:21 | 3707755 RaceToTheBottom
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I collect Navajo rugs.  That and their pottery is coming back.  Not sure how much of each sale gets back there...

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 04:17 | 3707268 Adahy
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It is pretty brutal.  We moved off-res in the mid 80's when I was still young due to the gov. asserting their mineral "rights" over our land.  Yes, there was poverty, but many were self-sufficient and needed very little to live a happy life.  My grandparents kept their Native mindset and still live virtually off-grid to this day on their 650 acres of tribal (family) property about an hour and a half away.
The res. has since changed.  Casinos moved in and the self-sufficient mindset, and the important parts of the culture have died.  They are all American consumers now and want what the Jones' have for the most part, even though the game is rigged against them.  It's truly tragic.  I'd rather it stayed the way it was, "poverty" and all; at least people were happier and not depressed that they don't have what they see on TV.

The modern American culture is all about being spoiled and entitled and that's a HUGE part of the problem.  It's time to suck it up and buckle down and let that mentality go the way of the dodo.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:18 | 3707464 quasimodo
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Could not agree more with you, I was born west river SD, pheasant hunting capitol of the US in Winner. Grew up near small town about 20 miles northwest.  I'm not there anymore, but they were treated crappy much of the time. My dad always taught us that we are NO better than any of them and that they were here before we were. An old lady and her two boys lived up the road a mile from the grandparents, and would walk down once a week to use the phone. We were always courteous and taught to respect our elders, regardless of race, etc. You always knew when it was guv. check day because crazy Joe would be walking down the main street of Winner with his brown bag booze. As kids we laughed once or twice but after a good ass kicking from dad we soon realized how sad it was. It wasn't until my early 20's I realized how bad the gov fucked the Native Americans and the entire heritage of what it used to be. Makes me appreciate it more when they have festivals and allows my kids to see what things used to be like before we came and "tamed" the savages. 

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 19:55 | 3706693 MsCreant
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Race is not very informative. Most of the population is white. Census says blacks are 13% of the population any way. Hispanics are probably over represented (they are something like 6%). Asians are where you would think they would be.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 20:15 | 3706736 Dr. Engali
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Hispanics make uo roughly 15% of the total population. They passed African Americans as a percentage of the U.S. population about four years ago.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 19:55 | 3706696 Seasmoke
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ahhh, to be an Asian High school dropout

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 20:01 | 3706708 Midasking
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Give it some time and you can just paint the whole map dark red....

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 20:10 | 3706710 One And Only
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This is the WORST I have seen from ZH.

For the demographic aspect, how about as a %age of the population.

As a person who has lived across the country over the last 10 years I can tell you that wage vs. cost of living is HUGE. You could be making $25,000 a year in South Dakota but be able to afford 4 or 5 acres of property. If you're living in NYC on $40,000 a year you might find a nice shoe box to live in.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 20:22 | 3706754 nmewn
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Pretty much.

I know a guy thats got a hundred acres and doesn't make a dime...lives like a king...wants for nothing. Me, I beat the clock out the door every morning and work like a dog for unappreciative cocksuckers.

Who's stupid? ;-)

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 20:50 | 3706785 One And Only
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Check this out.

My friend just sold his home for just under $1 mil in CT. He was paying $27,000 in property tax.

He bought a home in VA and is now paying $5,000 in property tax. I can't remember the numbers for (state) income tax but they were drastically lower too. 

He tells me e.v.e.r.y thing is cheaper from gas, food, cigs, etc. He smokes and told me cigs are about $10 in CT but $4 something where he's moving to in VA. Gas is hovering in the the high 4's in CT but in the 3's in VA.

He brought his business with him (10 of his employees came with) AND got a raise because of the lower taxes down there. From what I was told is a relatively small raise but in conjuction with the lower cost of living it had a mulitplier effect. Most of the employees who decided to move with the business were renting apartments where as now they are buying homes.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 22:31 | 3706843 IridiumRebel
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We are doing the same. We live in FUCKfield CT. Can't sell our house but I'll rent. We have a house that's about 170K and taxes are 9K. We are leaving next month. Wife is a NP and she will make 30K more in Cincy. I'll be going to school and its half as expensive plus the savings on everyday stuff and my parents for child care. CT is fucked. It's way too expensive. Gas is about 4 bucksish. Malloy and the Dems are killing it. Budget is a mess and they are taxing even more. 15% UE right now too. Place is a sinking ship.

edit: We got our car taxes today(yes, you pay fucking yearly taxes on the car you've already paid taxes on) and for the pleasure of owning a 2009 Acura and Honda, I get to slap down 1100 a year extra FOR JUST OWNING A CAR. Fuck you. I'll take me and my tax paying ass elsewhere.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 22:48 | 3707009 otto skorzeny
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OH is a union dominated shithole like IL and full of asshole thug cops and Cincy is one racial incident away from turning into Watts. Enjoy.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 00:27 | 3707117 Dingleberry
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You gotta move to a red state or keep your shit in boxes if you go to a blue one. You'll be moving again. They are ALL fucked up. Every single one of them.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 02:11 | 3707205 IridiumRebel
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I'm originally from Ks and that state is looking real good about now.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 03:42 | 3707250 DarthVaderMentor
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I'm waiting for the Blue states to convince Obama that he needs to tax the Red states to keep the Blues from going bankrupt. You keep an eye out for that. Feds tax Red states and give the money to the Blue states. That'll be the trigger that starts the change.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 02:03 | 3707196 IridiumRebel
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No place is perfect.....and then there is Shitcago. CT is UnionLand! We are just slowly moving in land and will eventually buy land to farm on. Stay positive Otto.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 02:52 | 3707231 sethstorm
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Except that Ohio has managed to prosper unlike Illinois.  Republicans in this state know that messing with labor relations isn't the magical business-friendly move that the South makes it up to be.

That, and Ohio's managed to do so while soundly rejecting Southern labor relations laws - first in 1958(where RTW died in a landslide) and in 2011(where it failed so badly that ALEC had to make Michigan's RTW law referendum proof in fear of certain referendum defeat).



Sun, 06/30/2013 - 16:47 | 3708310 Real Estate Geek
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Managed to prosper? Not so much in Cleveland.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 07:41 | 3707376 JMT
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well home prices in Fairfield Cty and rents (at least around Stamford are NOT going down). I live in Stamford from 2007 - 2009, paid just under $2500 a month in rent for a two bedroom apartment in an older building..

I couldn't afford to live there now when it costs close to $4,000 to rent a two bedroom apartment and a condo will cost close to 1 million dollars.. Besides have you seen prices in Greenwich -- they Start around $750,000 for the less desirable part of greenwich near I 95 and well in the Millions once you go north of the Merritt Pkwy near the NY State border.  

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 07:41 | 3707377 JMT
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well home prices in Fairfield Cty and rents (at least around Stamford are NOT going down). I live in Stamford from 2007 - 2009, paid just under $2500 a month in rent for a two bedroom apartment in an older building..

I couldn't afford to live there now when it costs close to $4,000 to rent a two bedroom apartment and a condo will cost close to 1 million dollars.. Besides have you seen prices in Greenwich -- they Start around $750,000 for the less desirable part of greenwich near I 95 and well in the Millions once you go north of the Merritt Pkwy near the NY State border.  

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:12 | 3707972 IridiumRebel
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You're on the NY side. I'm on the New Haven side. Much different.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 21:52 | 3706892 nmewn
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The velvet glove of nannyism has its price.

27k in property taxes?

I would expect a bureaucratic nanny at every door offering, I won't go there ;-)

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 22:31 | 3706969 Anusocracy
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"Who's stupid?"

Ninety-nine percent of the world's population.


Sat, 06/29/2013 - 23:05 | 3707045 nmewn
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I dunno...I'm still trying to figure out mail order Phillipino wives and the broken window fallacies of the whole support group thingy.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 20:04 | 3706713 q99x2
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Fuck. There ain't going to be a revolution anytime soon unless Toby and Jose get off their asses and start studying the philosophies of Karl Marx and Adolf Hitler.

We're fucked.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 20:08 | 3706722 TheMeatTrapper
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There are places in Alabama where an income of $30,000 a year will allow a nice, relaxed, simple life. You can have a small home on 5 acres of land, a large garden, shoot deer, trap and work at the feed store or for the county road department. Your kids can ride bikes, shoot .22's, and play basketball and football in the yard without you worrying about them. You can can your produce, catch catfish and generally watch the world go to hell from a comfortable distance. You won't be going to the opera, eating sushi or vacationing in the Carribean - but to each his own. 

Numbers aren't everything. 

I'm driving into one of the dark red areas tomorrow afternoon to do some night fishing amongst the alligators. I'll be running catfish noodles all night from my kayak. I'll be looking for catfish, grennel and gar. 

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 20:23 | 3706755 Divine Wind
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I used to live in central Mississippi and the same was true there.

Despite the relatively low salaries of the most of the residents, the people were happy and content with their lifestyles.

They also made for excellent neighbors.

The salt of the earth.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 22:45 | 3707006 Muppet Pimp
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Thanks for sharing, good to see I am not the only one on this side of the big pond who has not taken the bait.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 00:31 | 3707119 Dingleberry
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A few months back I stopped in Chatanooga TN on my way home to the expensive, democratic-cesspool in the midwest I cal home. While waiting on my food, I met a guy at the bar who worked for the city or state and was involved in getting volkwagen or some co. to come to TN. He told me 30k a year was living large and in charge in TN. I told him 30k would pay my taxes where I lived. We are looking to move south now.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 12:15 | 3707740 jerry_theking_lawler
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please not let our secret out! we need to keep the south/conservative midwest to need to let onto the truth and have these 'infiltrators' come in wanting a piece....thats just less for me. haha.

the only thing this graph shows is average incomes ($FRN) in there areas...that is all.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:24 | 3707997 Magically Delicious
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I'll be a carpet-bagger (refugee?) from Maryland in a year ot two... I promise not to wreck the place.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 20:09 | 3706725 Stuck on Zero
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Incomes do not reflect wealth.  Many of the retirees have millions and are living off of the amassed savings. 

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 20:14 | 3706732 fonzannoon
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It should be funny to see the shift in this map. Every 60yr old by me with a 100k pension is planning on moving to South Carolina etc. and having the lower cost of living with the N.Y income.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 20:19 | 3706746 Dr. Engali
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Damn they are going to ruin another state.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 20:23 | 3706753 fonzannoon
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I am telling you Doc, Move to NY. The secret plan that I have hatched (30 seconds ago) is to wait until all these bloodsuckers are outta here and the rest of us are on the hook for their gravy train. Then, the ones that are left force the state into bankruptcy and default. Those pensions go up in smoke, and the best part is, none of them are around to bitch about it.

F em.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 22:53 | 3707020 otto skorzeny
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I am praying for the same thing here in IL- those closest to the AFSCME pension vortex will hopefully emerge on the other side the quickest. If the wifey didn't have a load of kinfolk here I would be long gone.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 23:10 | 3707050 samsara
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Then if Upstate could Secede from NYC ,  98% of the people Geographically would be VERY HAPPY.

NYC,  You and DC are on your own....

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 20:50 | 3706790 wisehiney
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I personally know 6 different retired NYC Policemen/women and Firefighters. They all retired early, all with triple figure pensions plus benefits, and moved here to NC/VA. They invest, spend, and pay taxes on their pensions here. New York taxpayers are suckers.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 20:56 | 3706804 fonzannoon
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Now tell me, when the time comes, who is going to be the bad guy...they guy who bought 3 krugerrands for protection, or the thousands of people who raped the system and then ran away. When the money stops flowing, is  that guy gonna drive his range rover uo here and bitch? How do you think he will be treated when he gets here? I think he will be more your problem than ours....eventually.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 21:06 | 3706814 wisehiney
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Cannot get much by you. At least they are some of your better citizens. (The ones I know.)

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 21:12 | 3706827 fonzannoon
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If you were banking 100k plus with free healthcare, and then move to a place where you get even more bang for your buck, would you be unruly? If they ever get a big head about their situation feel free to let them know that some people they left behind may get the last laugh. Thanks.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 23:07 | 3707041 samsara
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You mean Having several guys asking him;

"You Ain't From Around Here Are Ya?"

Will be a scary phrase to hear in a few years I believe.


Sat, 06/29/2013 - 20:15 | 3706737 Catullus
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Yep. Those are pretty much poor areas of the country. Now if only they were also in $40k worth of student loan debt too. Just think of all the jobs that would start raining down on them!

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 20:19 | 3706745 Stoploss
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I guess the income data must come from some govt entity somewhere.

So, if obviously none of the govt data was ever correct, then how can i trust this info graphic. since the data would consist of only reported income?

Who accounts for the generally unreported cash only income of the immigrants? 

All i see is a map to track where the govt money is going.


Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:39 | 3707490 rwe2late
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 Most of the wealth flows and concentrates upward.

Worry about the unreported income of "immigrants" is misplaced.

Migrant workers (solicited by employers) do not have a legal status as (even temporary or immigrant migrant) workers. That facilitates paying sub wages with poor working conditions. So, of course, some income is unreported by both employer and worker.

Similarly, like Prohibition I, Prohibition II (drug war) promotes crime and corruption, feeds the prison system, and gives an excuse for expanded policing. Unreported income by addicts and low level dealers does not beat the system, but is part of it.

It's all part of the systemic scam of most people at home and abroad.

Real billionaires (who "own" most of the world's wealth) don't have ANY reported income.


Sat, 06/29/2013 - 20:33 | 3706766 autofixer
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I once tried to explain the difference between affluence (fluid, as through your fingers) and wealth (solid and unmoving) to a group of smart people.  All I got was the deer in the headlights look.  It is not about affluence / income.  What is the old saying:  "It's not what you make, it's what you keep."

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 23:00 | 3707032 samsara
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If your In Come

Don't match your Out Go,

Your Up Keep

Will be Your Down Fall.


Sat, 06/29/2013 - 20:40 | 3706777 Tulpa
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The county map is a little misleading, as it doesn't take into account differences in cost of living.  $30K gets you a decent lifestyle in rural West Virginia, but go east to the DC metro and you'd be living in squalor even with $60K income.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 22:58 | 3707027 samsara
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That's kind of ironic isn't it? 

Lets say that a region had a population that were very self sufficient, Gardens, Barter, Local economy, etc.

Let's say a community that didn't use credit cards,  didn't have bank accounts, didn't take out loans, etc.   Sort of unpluged from the matrix so to speak.

What would that region look like on this map? 

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 23:32 | 3707069 Tulpa
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Good question.  I guess it would depend on whether they exchanged dollars for each other's goods, since that would show up as income even without debt or official banking.  The IRS wouldn't like such a place, that's for sure.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:37 | 3708028 Magically Delicious
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I make 50k in Maryland and can barely pay rent.  My friends in rural PA making 30k are buying houses.  Just as with most leftist analyses, this one fails to take regional variations into account.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 20:49 | 3706791 Oldwood
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Sad to see someone went to so much trouble toprove absolutely nothing to people who couldn't give a shit.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 21:30 | 3706852 DaveA
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This map shows very clearly where the poverty is:  the Black Belt from North Carolina to Mississippi, the Latino Belt along the Mexican border, various Indian reservations, and white people in eastern Kentucky.

I found Vancouver Island very clean and prosperous (i.o.w. it's Canada), but one town I passed through was a total dump.  I asked the driver about this, and he said it was an Indian reservation.

If you sent the poor people to Heaven and the competent people to Hell, Hell would soon have neatly manicured lawns and Heaven would look like Detroit.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 23:35 | 3707074 Tulpa
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see comment above about cost of living.

also retirees usually have paid-off houses, so comparing their income levels to younger-led households which have to pay rent or mortgage is again an apples to orangutans thing.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 04:35 | 3707280 Adahy
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Enjoy your manicured, worthless lawn.  Mine is full of vegetables right now.  It may not look like a cover on a real estate magazine, but it produces REAL value.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 21:56 | 3706904 Stimulati
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Let's compare this to that chart about education.  We might find that the poorest areas are also the least educated.  Oh, but it was fun to make fun of the educated northeast and west wasn't it?

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 23:05 | 3707040 TheMeatTrapper
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How do you measure education?

By dollars per pupil spent? 

Are Yankee college students who believe that Obama is a great man more "educated" than a southern high school dropout that thinks he's a communist piece of shit? 

By West Coast students who think Cinco de Mayo is superior to July 4th? 

Oh, but it was fun to make smarmy, half baked comments about the 'ignorant' South wasn't it? 

Funny how an ignorant State like Alabama has a low unemployment rate, has the worlds largest steel mill, builds cars for Hyundai, Mercedes and Honda; builds airplanes for Airbus and supplies natural gas, electricity and oil for more educated states like New York and California - which have none of the above. They do have Anthony Weiner, Babara Boxer and Chuck Schumer - so what the fuck do we know, huh? 

Spare us your bullshit. 

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 02:15 | 3707209 sethstorm
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The South: The only region of the United States that prides itself for its theft of businesses from the North, as opposed to actual economic development. 


As for Alabama:

The laws are set in your state to keep your workers in line under the "know thy place" mentality that is prevalent through the South.  That is, create a legal climate where businesses are considered royalty while workers are considered as chattel.  What Alabama did(never mind the *rest* of the South) with slaves in the 19th century, they (and the rest of the South) do with anyone(of any race) that isn't blessed with the royal mark of business ownership.   It's one of the many signs of how the South has still yet to advance past the 1860's mentality of sticking it to the North.

Oh, and by the way, a decidedly Northern state is the home of Honda as well - Ohio.  Y'know, one of those states that doesn't have a certain one-sided labor relations law and still manages to prosper.



Sun, 06/30/2013 - 02:55 | 3707234 Muppet Pimp
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Seth: You might want to consider gathering up some wood to keep you warm during the winter months.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 12:43 | 3707790 SamuelMaverick
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Sethstorm, you need to smarten up. Did you ever hear the saying

" money goes where it is treated best ".  ?   The Northern Lib infested bloodsucking progressive states are all losing businesses at an alarming rate, and for good ( and numerous ) reasons.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 20:31 | 3708794 Stimulati
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I'm just looking at the charts.  The South looks poor and the northeast looks better paid.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:45 | 3707579 hootowl
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It depends upon how you define "education".  If you define an educated person as one who has learned how to dupe, cheat, and defraud other people out of the wealth they have earned by producing useful, needful, products for the survival and betterment of their fellows, then perhaps the NE and the devolved, degenerate, left coast of the west have an edge in that regard.



Sat, 06/29/2013 - 22:51 | 3707016 samsara
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Almost looks to me like a Heat Map.   

Imagine it without Air Conditioning. 

Would there be a reverse population migration?

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 23:06 | 3707047 TheMeatTrapper
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Imagine the North without heating oil. 

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 23:16 | 3707057 samsara
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No, Imagine the NE with out Nat. Gas.

If supply was cut off for a few days when it was in the Minus range for a week and you'd have a lot of deaths.

Matter of time for both.


Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:38 | 3707567 hootowl
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Don't give Ovarmint and his demoniacs any ideas, they have enough evil, destructive, intent of their own.



Sat, 06/29/2013 - 23:41 | 3707076 Tulpa
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You don't have to; the North got along fine without heating oil for a couple of centuries.  On the other hand, the South has only prospered when they had slaves or air conditioners.

Sat, 06/29/2013 - 23:58 | 3707091 TheMeatTrapper
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The North abandoned slavery only when it became legal to chain 10 year old children to textile machines. In the South, slaves were never chained to machines and had several months a year "off". 

The prosperity of the South is much more closely related to whether or not is was recovering from a scorched earth war waged against it for attempting to leave the Union rather than slavery or air conditioning. 

Ever personally visited a plantation that owned slaves? 

I have. 

Ever seen a fence around a plantation that had slaves? Let me educate you  - there were none. They were not needed. Funny how Northern factories had to chain workers to their machines yet Southern plantations could let their slaves roam free. 


Sun, 06/30/2013 - 00:39 | 3707128 Oldwood
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So you are saying the slaves were already free? Your line is exactly what the prewar slave holders were preaching, that their slaves, being of inferior capabilities were better off slaves where they were "provided" a home and food and never had to be worried about finding a job. There were no fences because there was no place for them to go, as there was pretty much a universal bounty on their heads. Of course they were free to go. Some of the best prisons have no fences. Southerners deliberately deprived the slaves of any education so as to prevent any kind of "ideas" creeping into their heads. They were dependents who were forced to comply with their benevolent "owners" lest fall victim of severe re-education. Does any of this sound familiar with today? Weak and simple minded people deprived of a "good" education so as to limit their vision of possibilities, faced with the fear of the loss of what little they have, increasingly becoming dependent on the plantation owner (the State) without need to find a job as support or a gov job will be provided, and constantly warned of the dangers of going off the plantation. Ahhh, to be cared for! Makes you wonder why kids want to get out of the parents house, given the provisions afforded. All for a little freedom.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 01:14 | 3707162 TheMeatTrapper
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Try reading what I wrote rather than putting your pre determined talking points into my mouth. Try addressing historical reality rather than assuaging your guilt. 

Slaves were clearly not free - that's why they were enslaved. However, slavery was not 'evil' until it was limited to the South. Funny how nobody bitches about George Washington or Thomas Jefferson owning slaves - only that evil Southerners owned slaves. Funny how chaining 10 year old kids to looms was not 'slavery' and therefore wasn't evil. 

Most people have no idea what the yearly life cycle of the Southern slave was compared to the Northern child factory worker who was chained to a machine. The Southern slave had a life that that was closely related to the agricultural cycle. There were times of hard labor and long hours; and there were times of relative inaction. The Northern child laborer had no such luxury. They were expected to work the same hours, day in, day out, regardless of season.


Sun, 06/30/2013 - 01:57 | 3707192 Tulpa
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Washington and Jefferson were Virginians, ie Southerners.  Don't they teach geography in Mississippi anymore?

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 12:43 | 3707792 RaceToTheBottom
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Wow, read his point.  He knows where they were; his point is what other prople know, including some who cannot read.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 03:05 | 3707238 Oldwood
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Im sure the laid back seasonal work provided the slaves attracted millions of immigrants from the north to steal their "jobs". Prior to the war people (other than slaves) were relatively free to travel and work where they liked. Why you recon so many moved to the industrialized north from the south? I have no guilt regarding slavery, although being from MO I'm sure my ancestors bore some culpability. Everyone, just like today, bore some responsibility for what was going on then and now. Just don't try to paint slavery as anything but what it was, slavery. Even then, the slaves could have revolted and suffered the consequences, but as now they and we fear loss of what we have over what we might have. People are seldom forced into slavery. They are faced with choices and usually take the easiest way out, even if it turns into a longer term nightmare. Our slavery is only now becoming apparent. Much of our black population never left it. They moved from the unfenced plantations to the unfenced welfare and affirmative action roles of dependency. All they have to do is not bite the hand that feeds them. White America is only following their lead.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:30 | 3707560 hootowl
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......and blacks are so much better off than they were.

Ghettoized,...onto the government plantation.  Dumbed-down to the point of hapless ignorance and deception by their own racist, opportunistic, leaders. Inundated by their own feral black spawn, turning their subculture into a living hell that is very difficult to escape.

The crime-ridden, murderous,  black subculture is exactly what was predicted would happen if blacks were turned loose on society without strict guidance from a superior exterior moral fount.  Another failed social experiment foisted upon America by a satanic demonic eletist progressive jihadist liberal cabal intent upon societal degradation and detruction.

They have filled our voting booths with illegal aliens, felons, dead people, drug addicts, alcoholics,dumbed-down college morons, dogs, duped feral blacks, and weak, devolved, government-dependent, nesters and breeders, voting themselves largesse from bankrupt federal and state treasuries.....Feeding off a diminishing productive population that can no loger feed and support the accumulating, huge, burden of indolent human parasites.

I fear we have become too stupid and apathetic to survive as a free, productive society.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 00:40 | 3707130 hardcleareye
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Sun, 06/30/2013 - 01:55 | 3707191 Tulpa
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Right, those Fugitive Slave Laws were just for show, the Underground Railroad didn't exist, Frederick Douglass didn't exist, etc.  I must admit I haven't been to a slave plantation as I'm less than 150 years old, so you do have me there.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 08:57 | 3707437 hootowl
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......or coal-powered electricity or heat.  Natural gas prices would skyrocket because fracking will be outlawed by Ovarmint and his demonic minions..  The same with gasoline and diesel fuel.  Wind power will be prohibited because it kills a buzzard or two each year. Sun power will be provided by slave labor in China and rationed to progressive jihadists only.Your progressive jihadist credentials must be verified by the IRS.

We are governed and controlled by evil progressive jihadist morons....keep up the good work folks.  We are too stupid to survive as a nation.



Sat, 06/29/2013 - 23:45 | 3707082 Tulpa
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Even worse, imagine it without massive water pumps draining anything remotely resembling a river in the southwest.

There's a reason it's historically unheard of for millions of people to live in a desert, and I fear we're going to no longer be able to ignore it soon.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 00:07 | 3707099 otto skorzeny
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it seems that natural law will catch up to all facets of our lives soon.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 00:35 | 3707121 1C3-N1N3
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Which households have incomes below $30,000?

Mine, for one.

I work in a tire factory -- lots of other milennials there, too.

Now if I can just convince them to save in silver instead of debt-fiat, or save at all. It ain't that tough to stretch the budget by cutting costs.

Stop ordering out for food (and grow some of your own if you have any space to work with). Go without air conditioning. Ride a bicycle to work. Brew your own beer. Use a cheap dumbphone with a barebones plan. If you smoke, roll your own. Cancel the fucking cable TV and use the free time to do something meaningful. The list goes on and on. Life under $30k can be perfectly manageable.

Here's a good metric for gauging how efficiently an under-$30k lifestyle is working: how much garbage is one producing? I'll go weeks without setting out a single trashbag, and I ain't even part of the "green" movement. It's just a natural consequence of the effort.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 00:38 | 3707127 CheapBastard
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Yeh Texas! I live there for awhile...Hotter then Hell! I read now it's 107 every day.....and they are worried about another drought and house foundations cracking again.....



Sun, 06/30/2013 - 00:53 | 3707138 Oldwood
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Yes, thats Texas's saving grace. Nobody comes here for the lifestyle. They come here to work. No dreams of setting on the beach or skiing in the mountains, just work. Not exactly a vacation destination. Just work. Europe on the other hand is broke, yet they are fixing to take a month and a half of vacation. Evidently they typically just do a month but as things are pretty slow right now they are taking an extra couple of weeks. Isn't that what everyone does, I mean take a vacation when you are broke? Evidently no one can make the connection between working and money. Or I could just be stupid. Maybe the solution to all of our financial problems is just take a few months off. I'm pretty confident it would help if our government took a month or two off. JPM can keep the food stamps rolling and the fed will make sure we won't run out of money.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 08:11 | 3707409 css1971
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Europe... The world... is broke because we've based our monetary systems on debt.

It isn't going to matter a whit how much you work when you're leveraged 30:1, 50:1 or now, 100:1. The slightest wobble and the pyramids come tumbling down.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 01:18 | 3707164 dunce
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If you over laid that map with one showing Indian reservations, you would a very high correlation with the red areas. The last category also was dramatic in the change from homes owned and renters. Something not reflected is the fact that older people have more assets earning nontaxable income in IRAs than young people. By the same token there is likely a big difference in the debt load between generations. These factors change the amount of disposable income though the reported income may be the same.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 05:59 | 3707315 thunderchief
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It doesn't really matter where they're from. If you're stupid, which most men are, they will always blow you good first, and most likely, blow your house down latter.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 06:18 | 3707321 sudzee
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Look guys, some day you'll look in the mirror and say i wish i was back in those " good ol days ". Enjoy yourselves today cause things aren't gettin any better.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 06:28 | 3707328 Dooud
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"L for love!"
-whiteman in Dodgeball

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 07:44 | 3707380 JMT
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$30,000 a YEAR!!??  Is that before or after taxes are witheld?? For a household total income or single person?? In the northeast from DC to Boston, if you are only making $30,000 a year other than a section 8 apartment the only other thing you will be able to afford to rent is maybe a park bench to sleep on. 

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:36 | 3707488 torak
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Which is why the government needs to destroy Social Security and confiscate every dime paid in US retirees.  60, 70, and 80+ year old's can't do shit to protect themselves and will just roll over and die. 

That should save the government/Fed/Treasury a few months of monitization and provide huge bonuses for those who need it the least. 

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:20 | 3707552 giggler123
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Don't need a picture, just ask.  Mine...

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 11:47 | 3707687 Yes_Questions
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it appears they are mostly headed by retired people.





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