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EU Parliament "Shocked" At NSA "Bugging" Diplomatic Offices; Threatens Trade Talks

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The president of the European Parliament, Martin Schulz, said he was "deeply worried and shocked about the allegations of U.S. authorities spying on EU offices" made in a report published Sunday by Der Spiegel. The latest round of NSA 'transparency' suggests U.S. intelligence agents bugged EU offices on both sides of the Atlantic, leaving some EU lawmakers calling for concrete sanctions against Washington - calling for an immediate investigation into the claims and suggesting that recently launched negotiations on a trans-Atlantic trade treaty should be put on hold. "If the media reports are accurate, then this recalls the methods used by enemies during the Cold War," notes one German minister, adding that, "it is beyond comprehension that our friends in the United States see Europeans as enemies." Schulz concludes, "It would be an extremely serious matter which will have a severe impact on EU-US relations."

Via The NY Post,

Senior European officials expressed concern Sunday at reports that U.S. intelligence agents bugged EU offices on both sides of the Atlantic, with some leftist lawmakers calling for concrete sanctions against Washington.

 

The president of the European Parliament, Martin Schulz, said he was "deeply worried and shocked about the allegations of U.S. authorities spying on EU offices" made in a report published Sunday by German news weekly Der Spiegel.

 

The magazine said the surveillance was carried out by the U.S. National Security Agency, which has recently been the subject of leaks claiming it scanned vast amounts of foreign Internet traffic.

 

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Schulz said that if the allegations that the NSA bugged European Union offices were confirmed "it would be an extremely serious matter which will have a severe impact on EU-US relations."

 

... called for an immediate investigation into the claims and suggested that recently launched negotiations on a trans-Atlantic trade treaty should be put on hold.

 

They also called for existing U.S.-EU agreements on the exchange of bank transfer and passenger record information to be canceled.

 

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"If the media reports are accurate, then this recalls the methods used by enemies during the Cold War," German Justice Minister Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger. "It is beyond comprehension that our friends in the United States see Europeans as enemies."

 

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According to Der Spiegel, the NSA planted bugs in the EU's diplomatic offices in Washington and infiltrated the building's computer network. Similar measures were taken at the EU's mission to the United Nations in New York, the magazine said.

 

Der Spiegel didn't publish the alleged NSA documents it cited nor say how it obtained access to them. But one of the report's authors is Laura Poitras, an award-winning documentary filmmaker who interviewed Snowden while he was holed up in Hong Kong.

 

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The magazine also didn't specify how it learned of the NSA's alleged eavesdropping efforts at a key EU office in Brussels. There, the NSA used secure facilities at NATO headquarters nearby to dial into telephone maintenance systems that would have allowed it to intercept senior EU officials' calls and Internet traffic, the Spiegel report said.

 

Also Sunday, German federal prosecutors said they were examining whether the reported U.S. electronic surveillance programs broke German laws. In a statement, the Federal Prosecutors' Office said it was probing the claims so as to "achieve a reliable factual basis" before considering whether a formal investigation was warranted.

 

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Sun, 06/30/2013 - 13:17 | 3707854 BadDog
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I guess if the American people won't do anything about the rampant criminality in government, the rest of the world will.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 13:20 | 3707859 kliguy38
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Its all noise........they know very well the game. This creates the appearance of a "unified Europe" fighting together against the U.S. ....when in fact its all to create another NWO

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:01 | 3707940 AlaricBalth
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Cue MEP Nigel Farage in 5...4...3...2

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:24 | 3707966 TruthInSunshine
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I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!!! Spying on allies!!!

9/11 Richard Perle - The Next Attack Will Be Entirely Different

 

CNN September 16, 2001 .... Espionage? Richard Perle has been accused of spying for Israel on multiple occasions over a period of 4 decades, getting away the whole time with criminal activities. 9/11 is what happens when you let very powerful criminals get away with past terrorism and treason. Perle calls out the Anthrax attacks that happen weeks later, with a smile. When Perle was working for Senator Scoop Jackson, he was investigated by the Justice Department and found to have violated US policies relating to unlawful transmission of sensitive classified US information to Israel.

"An FBI summary of a 1970 wiretap recorded Perle discussing classified information with someone at the Israeli embassy," writes Paul Findley (They Dare To Speak Out, Chicago, Ill, Lawrence Hill Books 1989)."He came under fire in 1983 when newspapers reported he received substantial payments to represent the interests of an Israeli weapons company. Perle denied conflict of interest, insisting that, although he received payment for these services after he had assumed his position in the Defense Department, he was between government jobs when he worked for the Israeli firm."

http://home.earthlink.net/~platter/who-profits.html

"A Pentagon adviser, Richard Perle, briefed an investment seminar on ways to profit from conflicts in Iraq and North Korea just weeks after he received a top-secret government document on the crises in the two countries. The revelation yesterday provoked new concerns about conflicts of interest. Mr Perle also serves on the boards of several defence contractors."

 

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 15:44 | 3708168 espirit
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The NSA is spying on everybody...

Hello?  Hello?

<crickets>

Just because they like you doesn't mean they don't know who you are fucking.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 15:49 | 3708180 SMG
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"it is beyond comprehension that our friends in the United States see Europeans as enemies."  notes one German minister

 They're doing the same  spying here in the US, against everyone.   Where are the US politicans to ask:

"it is beyond comprehension that the United States see it's own citizens as enemies."


Sun, 06/30/2013 - 16:06 | 3708215 Chupacabra-322
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Here's a nice disclaimer I've added to all email transmissions sent.  Please feel free to pass it on:

WARNING: The National Security Agency is likely recording and storing this communication as part of its unlawful spying programs on all Americans … and people worldwide. The people who created the NSA spying program say that this communication – and any responses – can and will be used against the American people at any time in the future should folks in government decide to go after us for political reasons. And private information in digital communications may be given to big companies by the government.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 16:24 | 3708257 ratso
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Everyone should just grow up.  Anyone who didn't know that all communications are being screened by a number of sources is just plain naive in this day and age.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 19:33 | 3708689 NoDebt
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They also have cameras that can see you right through the walls of your house.  You OK with them checking in on you that way from time to time as well?  I mean, it's to prevent terror and all, so, we assume you are.  In a few years the interet won't be the only thing they could monitor in it's entirety.

Just because something CAN be done doesn't mean it SHOULD be done.  When it's .gov doing it, that goes double.  Even Google sounded a little uncomfortable handing mass info over to the NSA until they got seved (secret) warrants- and Google would sell their own Mothers for a nickel.  Point is, this is well beyond the pale.  Results- trade wars, retaliation, who knows?  Not to mention the entire thing we know as the "Internet" could get fractured and parceled up over crap like this.

 

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 21:34 | 3708950 cifo
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Keep your friends close, enemies closer.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 22:29 | 3709049 Element
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What the US is saying here is this; "We ultimately don't think you're our allies, because we know we are ultimately not your friends, thus we spy on you."

But 'Allies' is just code for mutual strategic opportunism between statist thugs and aggressors. Occasionally the allied thug represents a 'Royal' family, but 'Royal' is just code for inbred self-serving kleptocratic dictatorships and personality cult, imposed via generational nepotism, which still hasn't been eliminated by the serfs, yet.

And "international-community" is code for collective 'allied' cowards and bullies, ganging-up to engage in opportunistic destabilization, warmongering, torture, mass-murder and naked territorial conquest.

The perfect example, Qatar.

What a bunch of stinking grubs ... but they are best of US 'allies' ... said the spider to the fly.

But all of this talk of 'allies' is a bit dodgy anyway, because we just heard Chuck Schumer saying that he expects so much more from Russia - one of the USA's 'Allies'.

ROFLMAO! ... no, please, make it stop!! ... I still can't believe he said that ... and thought it made sense ... *gawf*

It's OK though as he's Jewish and so is the MSM, so no one even blinked ... lol ... gawd bless ameeerreeka!

But let's follow the Schumer 'logic' through; wouldn't that mean that "US Allies" are at the very top of Washington DC's target-list?

Yup, that seems to be implication.

 

Alternatively, you could ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ul-cZyuYq4

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 01:57 | 3709306 A Nanny Moose
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Just because I am paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 23:07 | 3709099 Crawdaddy
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Richard Perle ranked number 4 in Jude Wanniski's list of 'The Ten Most Dangerous People on Earth' , cicra 2002:

From an open memo to Maureen Dowd, the hag from the rag

To tell you the truth, I’ve thought Krugman might improve with age, but he has become so boring in his pronouncements that he is no danger to anyone but himself. Perle, though, is now probably the No. 1 threat to the planet. I’m delighted to see that you have identified him in that manner. The best line in your column is when Boy Bush asks Perle why oh why should we invade Iraq, which does not have nukes, instead of North Korea, which has plutonium coming out of its ears, Richard answers: “Because it is an easy kill.” Yes, that sums it up. Keep ‘em coming.

 

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4. Richard Perle: New to our list, Perle is the shadowy global chessplayer who does the primary brainwork for the conservative political establishment and is the architect of the hardline position against Iraq. A former assistant Secretary of Defense in the Reagan administration, Perle now hangs his hat at the American Enterprise Institute. If it were up to him, we now would declare war on China and the entire Islamic world, on the grounds that we’re bound to do so anyway, and it might as well be while we have the nuclear advantage. Republican politicians who never heard of Perle, who relishes being a behind-the-scenes puppeteer, are regularly seen on television parroting the stratagems he concocts.

http://www.polyconomics.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id...

And that is why you must stay out da Bushes

complete list of 2002 wankers

1. Alan Greenspan
2. Michel Camdessus
3. Stanley Fischer
4. Richard Perle
5. Paul Krugman
6. Larry Summers
7. Osama bin Laden
8. Bill Clinton
9. Madeleine Albright
10. Henry Kissinger

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 10:03 | 3709863 IrritableBowels
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Bin Laden, LOL

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:33 | 3708016 aint no fortuna...
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this is rapidly turning into a Watergate "enemies" type affair, except Tricky Dick(head) was small-time compared to what this is, where the entire WORLD - domestic and foreign - is this paranoid junta's perceived enemy

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 15:09 | 3708078 TruthInSunshine
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Hmmmm,*** BOOZ ALLEN HAMILTON*** EVERYWHERE - from prior to 9/11 to today; one continuous looped cookie hand in the "cookies" jar:

Some posts from ZHer Disenchanted on
Wed, 02/29/2012 (there's BOOZ ALLEN HAMILTON, again, bitchez):


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/pension-reform-unintended-consequence-pent...

"Dov Zakheim 9/11 Mastermind"

http://youtu.be/HlNQTG8B6hw

 

more here:

Dov Zakheim retires from Booz Allen Hamilton

http://open.salon.com/blog/gordon_wagner/2010/07/19/dov_zakheim_retires_...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/pension-reform-unintended-consequence-pent...

What's more is that before our 'friend' Zakheim left the Pentagon and landed on his feet at Booz Allen Hamilton another cool Trillion came to be unaccounted for in 2003:

Military waste under fire / $1 trillion missing -- Bush plan targets ...

 

Ratical.org had some more on the DoD trillions here:

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/DODtrillions.html 

 

Of course as pointed out in the article anyone questioning this at the time was considered 'unpatriotic.'

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/pension-reform-unintended-consequence-pent...

The PNAC's Rebuilding America's Defenses document which mentioned a 'new Pearl Harbor' can be found here:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

excerpt from page 63:

 

Further, the process of transformation,
even if it brings revolutionary change, is
likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a
new Pearl Harbor.

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/pension-reform-unintended-consequence-pent...

Missing Trillions Rumsfeld Buries Admission of Missing 2+ Trillion Dollars in 9/10/01 Press Conference

 

On September 10, 2001, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference to disclose that over $2,000,000,000,000 in Pentagon funds could not be accounted for. Rumsfeld stated: "According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions." According to a report by the Inspector General, the Pentagon cannot account for 25 percent of what it spends. 1   2  


Such a disclosure normally might have sparked a huge scandal. However, the commencement of the attack on New York City and Washington in the morning would assure that the story remained buried. To the trillions already missing from the coffers, an obedient Congress terrorized by anthrax attacks would add billions more in appropriations to fight the "War on Terror."

 

The Comptroller of the Pentagon at the time of the attack was Dov Zakheim, who was appointed in May of 2001. Before becoming the Pentagon's money-manager, he was an executive at System Planning Corporation, a defense contractor specializing in electronic warfare technologies including remote-controlled aircraft systems. 3   4  Zakheim is a member of the Project for a New American Century and participated in the creation of its 2000 position paper Rebuilding America's Defenses which called for "a New Pearl Harbor." 5  


Estimates of the sums of money missing vary wildly. A 2003 report put the amount missing at "more than a trillion dollars." 6  

 

from: http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/trillions.html

 

btw System Planning Corp's "Flight Termination System" is interesting stuff...

cached here: http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/sept11/sysplan_fts.html

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 16:14 | 3708233 Chupacabra-322
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@ TruthInSunShine,

Great stuff Truth, keep up the good work.  Criminal  Dov Zakheim was no doubt one of if not the Criminal master mind behind 911. 

Keep shineing light on the Criminals.  Important to bring the criminals out from the darkness into the light.

 

Miggs.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 18:02 | 3708453 11b40
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There is zero doubt in my mind that we had a political coup in 2000 when the Supreme Court stopped the vote count in FL and gave the election to Bush/Cheney.  I knew then in my gut that the worm had turned.  That event marked the capture of all 3 branches of .Gov  It was just a matter of time from there, but it had been a long time coming.

Nixon did a lot to set the new direction, and who knows the course of history had it not been for Watergate.  That upset the apple cart and a lot of damage had to be repaired on the Republican side.  

Carter's election was an abberation, quite a surprise.  Ronnie Raygun was waiting in the wings.  He had been a shill for General Electric since the 50's, and darling of the DOD, Chamber of Commerce, and the Banksters.  George Bush as VP sealed the deal as he brought the CIA center stage (quietly).  The Reagan/Bush win in 1980 was engineered, just as the Bush/Cheney win was in 2000.  CIA operatives made sure the Iraian hostages stayed hostages until after the election - the day after.  There are also rumors that the failed resuce attempt was sabotaged.  Soon, we were involved in the illegal Iran-Contra Arms deal, involved in a massive militaruy build-up, and up to our necks in the Savings & Loan scam, which was a warm-up for what we have now.

Daddy Bush was all set to take the reins from Ronnie but their blue print got put on hold again when that young upstart Governor from Arkansasa threw a monkey-wrench in their plans. From that point forward, it was all out political war.  The Clinton's were attacked visciously from every direction, and the entire tenor in DC changed witht the 94 elections.

Newt Gingrich was the orchestra leader who set the tone, leading to the villification of all things "liberal", and negative attack became an art form.  The politicans elected starting in 1994 have been the biggest bunch of sleeze bags we may have ever had.  Tom Delay's K-Street project took a crappy system where lobbyists already had too much influence, and made it worse by an order of magnitude.  As the architect of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley legistlation that ended Glass-Stegall, Phil Gramm gutted the banking laws.  Then, not 2 weeks before leaving office, Clinton signed the Commoditiy Futures Modernization Act.....and the rest is history.  Bush/Cheney had already been delcared winners, and all the pieces were finally in place for the ass-rape of America.

http://neweconomicperspectives.org/tag/commodity-futures-modernization-act

I believe, but just not sure, that someone got the goods on Clinton near the end of his term and he caved.  I do not believe he had been "captured" when he came into office.  I believe just the opposite about Obamma.  I think he is nothing more than a puppet - bought and paid for well in advance of his arrival in the National politicl scene.  I also believe there were genuine differences between the 2 primary political parties until the late 90's, early 2000's, but now both Republicans and Democrats are totally owned by essentially the same management company.

I started out as a Goldwater Republican in a very red state, got a front line education in the late 60's and by the time Nixon was busted, had a complete turn-around.  Republicans seemed too punitive, too hypocritical, and too statist, so I swung over to the Dems, mostly for self-defense.  Over time, disillusion with both parties set in.  The Dems were too Socialist and seemed to have no fiscal discipline.  There was no good place for someone who was socially liberal and fiscally conservative, pro-business and pro-military, but also pro-civil & women's rights.  Now, both parties are rotten and working against the American people.  The Constitution has been shredded and citizens are nothing more than chattel of the state.

The secret to America's long-term success was the Constitution and respect for the rule of law.  The pendulum swings back & forth, and I always told my wife that we could withstand 4 or 8 years under either Republican or Democrat regimes....so long as the pendulum was allowed to keep swinging.  When the pendulum stops, that is when America dies.  

With both parties in the same pocket, I think we are done....but what do I know.  I'm just a Bozo on this bus.

 

 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 06:44 | 3709406 Disenchanted
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I'm sort of surprised that any of those links I posted over a year ago still work...but anywho that D. Zakheim rabbit hole runs deep.

What's he up to now one might ask...

 

He retired as a Senior Vice President of Booz Allen Hamilton in 2010. He currently is a Senior Fellow at the CNA Corporation, a Senior Advisor at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. He is also Co-Vice Chair of Global Panel America (Global Panel Foundation) with Sir Malcolm Rifkind, the former UK Foreign Secretary and Minister of Defense.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 17:31 | 3708395 Meatballs
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How about Farage in a dress? The O-man is impressing everybody these days.

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/06/61281-must-watch-irish-mp-blasts-president-obama-as-hypocrite-of-the-century/

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 17:36 | 3708396 Meatballs
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Dup. Sorry.

 

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:11 | 3707969 rwe2late
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 Feigned "surprise and shock".

The European leaders AGREED to have NSA spy on their citizens.

http://www.newssniffer.co.uk/articles/658994/diff/0/1

 

Under international intelligence agreements, confirmed by declassified documents, nations are categorised by the US according to their trust level. The US is first party while the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand enjoy second party relationships. Germany and France have third party relationship

... the countries had "formal second and third party status" under signal intelligence (sigint) agreements that compels them to hand over data, including mobile phone and internet information to the NSA if requested.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:31 | 3708013 maskone909
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Time to cue the trade wars and buy American propaganda.... Followed by real war.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 16:53 | 3708326 max2205
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Ben gave the EU $3 Trillion dollars over the last 4 years...why shouldn't we check up on our money......oh wait

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:54 | 3708057 Sudden Debt
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it NEVER AGREED to be spied on in political and economical channels.

Hitler also twisted the rules and the letters of law. If he was stopped early, 260 million people would never have been killed for nothing.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 16:05 | 3708211 rwe2late
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 Whose hair-splitting now?

US and European leaders collude together. They belong to and serve the same organizations, public and corporate. They are backed by, and serve the same cabal of global sponsors.

Do you really think the same European leaders who support NATO, NATO interventions and bankster ripoffs,

agreed to spying on their citizens because they thought it would only be used against "terrorists"?

Doubtless, some of them thought they'd benefit from the insider action by being on the favored list, or thought it could remain secret, but it is not unlike the Democrats disavowing any responsibility for the "terror" war crimes and legislation.

Don't expect Merkel, Hollande, or Cameron to really do any more than Pelosi or Graham or Obama.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 06:51 | 3709413 bunnyswanson
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Splitting hairs and dividing them at the same time!  That's quite a talent you've got there.  But your point is well taken. 

"The best breakdown is as follows:

-5.1 Million Jews (roughly 50% of them Polish Jews)
-2.5 million Poles
-200,000-1 million Sinti/Roma (Gypsies)
-At least 200,000 disabled in the official Euthanasia campaigns of 1939-41
- 10,000 Homosexuals
-At least 200,000 "Aryan" German prisoners
-200,000 Occupied territory (Non-Jew and Non-Russian)"

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080325151739AATpeSx

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 13:22 | 3707861 Chuck Bone
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It's the NSA's job as an intelligence agency to spy on foriegn governments and institutions. It's perfectly legal under US law and I'm glad they are doing it. As far as international law, who cares.

Turning those same tools on US persons is a completely different story, and that's where the anger should be focused. Do not conflate the two issues.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 13:25 | 3707866 The Abstraction...
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Not legal for American globalist companies that rely on Law enforcement of foreign courts. If Microsoft is spying on its European users, then it should be liable to pay compensation in European courts. All these globalists companies should be driven back to their home countries.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:20 | 3707990 cossack55
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Good idea.  Monsanto is from N.Korea, right.  Right. RIGHT!!! 

Oh, and GE is from Somalia.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 13:27 | 3707870 The Abstraction...
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Not legal for American globalist companies that rely on Law enforcement of foreign courts. If Microsoft is spying on its European users, then it should be liable to pay compensation in European courts. All these globalists companies should be driven back to their home countries.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 13:56 | 3707885 Bananamerican
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"It would be an extremely serious matter which will have a severe impact on EU-US relations."

translation: "suck on that spook boys"...

I always wondered what KIND of person goes into surveillance work, around the world, throughout history? I wonder if they get a god-like kick out of spying on other people as if they were in some personal uncle milton's ant farm. I've heard .gov apologists for domestic spying on radio discussion programs lately....they sound like the most arrogant bastards on the planet. (cue Nicholson's "A Few Good Men" speech)

@ Chuck Bone....Why are you glad they are spying, on Gemany for instance? Would you be similarly "glad" that a fascist Britain or France was spying on us? Do you believe chilled international relations with our "friends" is in the national interest? By the way, do you spy on your kids, wife, brothers, sisters, neighbors? If you do, doesn't that just make you a DICK?

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:09 | 3707965 prains
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Bone schmuck, don't believe the hype fish bone, american exceptionalism is a fucking myth, con, water boarded phallacy built on the sham of financialization and the head lights you see ahead aren't swerving to miss

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:55 | 3708059 Xibalba
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DooshBone proves the Americant mindset. 

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 13:37 | 3707891 Seahorse
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'Turning those same tools on US persons is a completely different story'

(!) That's it, us 'foreigners' are all scum, we know our place.

Jeez :/

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 13:51 | 3707902 ebworthen
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Chuck Bone said:  " Do not conflate the two issues."

Good point.

However, it illustrates how the NSA and the U.S. Government abuses the ability and power of the technology while claiming it is to "fight terrorism" and "protect the homeland".

If they are lying to the entire EU and spying on them it means they have, are, and will continue to lie to those they purport to serve (us in the U.S.S.A.).

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:03 | 3707953 Bunga Bunga
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Utterly bullshit what your are writing. US is violating national law in other countries. US law does not apply in Germany, it is not a State of America. When was your last geography lesson?

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 16:20 | 3708250 EverythingEviL
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Is everybody here stupid??? The US is bad for what they are doing sure, BUT ALL THESE GOVERNMENTS ARE DOING IT!!! Anyone who's lives anywhere and thinks their government or country is better than another better wake the fuck up. They are all doin what they can to gain some sort of edge on one another. Jesus Christ, it's so simple...Everyone is fucked, that much is clear. This whole ball of wax is gaining steam, from financial meltdowns, corruption, wars, nature in a mess, it's all coming to a head, and all at the same time. There is no shelter...

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 00:45 | 3709110 edotabin
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Basically correct but with a fine point of differentiation:

Yes, all the governments are doing it, however, they are all colluding. The political figures that act the most outraged by this are the ones at the heart of it. They are  encouraging it behind the scenes. It is to pull the wool over peoples' eyes.

The US and EU are simply different sides of the same coin.

 

 

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:08 | 3707963 ziggy59
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So its perfectly legal, so you say, and its a US law? Really? So if true, who made US laws globally legal, and if true still, why is the rest of the world in an uproar?

Obviously its not legal, and obviously the damage control idiots are out in full force trying to hold back a bursting dam with their fingers...

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:56 | 3708014 rwe2late
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Some apparently choose to believe the Constitution only forbids the government from doing bad stuff at home.

Abroad, the government supposedly can kill, torture, imprison, bribe, spy etc. with impunity (preferably with agreement from some corrupt foreign Quislings). And should push come to shove, "who cares" about international law, much less morality? No problem there for those who are "glad" about it and cannot envision the repercussions.

Don't you see, no matter what "we" do it's always "legal" when we do it?  Guess it is a tradition from when coerced, bribed and drunken Native American so-called leaders signed away their land rights.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:25 | 3708002 HowardBeale
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Regardless of what the psychopaths at the NSA have convinced themselves they are entitled to do, the rest of US can clearly see that the whole security clusterfuck is counterproductive, leading to superficial relations, resentment, trade wars, real wars, and Wall Streetesque levels of exploitation; and all against People that happen to live in another country, as if that makes them guilty of something and deserving of no Human Rights. There IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR SPYING ON THE E.U. PERIOD 

For those of you that haven't had the opportunity to spend much time abroad, Americans are pretty much universally hated around the world now--and for quite a while, actually. Though there are People you encounter that understand it is the government, for the most part, and not the People who elect that government (as if we really elected them: choose A or B). Even the Canadians hate Americans; and this, all, because of a few psychopaths in D.C. and their psychopathic owners on  Wall Street.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:59 | 3708067 Telemakhos
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Of course there's justification for spying on the EU.  They're a major player in world affairs, they have a massive arms industry and are equals with drone and fighter jet technology, they are engaged in endless financial shenanigans that even they don't fully understand, they have their own spy bureaus like the EUMS Intelligence Directorate.  Just because it's not Bushbama's America doesn't mean that Europe is some magic land of saints and unicorns whose watchers should never themselves be watched.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 04:52 | 3709368 Mentaliusanything
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@ Howaed Beale.... What you say is not true, American's on the balance are well liked, they are hospitable, friendly and although a little slow on the uptake, can be relied upon to make the right choice after they have exhusted all other ways. George Carlin said it best when he said" Its the American dream .... because you have to be asleep to believe it" 

What other land has a Constitution and a bill of rights, so well written that it could have and rightly was, written by the hand of God.  If your .Gov has gone and trampled on your founding fathers then its up to the " We the people" to discharge your right to pull it apart. To tort that what is good for Wall Street is good for Main Street is utter bull. You are Main street and you give consent to . gov. If you withdraw your consent by representation through taxation, it (. gov) is without any power and dies immeadiatly. whereupon you institute..... you know the drill. They wrote it down.... act or live under absolute despotism. You have a choice untill you don't. Time is not on your side. This Eric Snowdon thing is a defining moment, they have their pants down and rile they may, they have to suck it up for being caught with there hands in every ones underwear draw. 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 06:31 | 3709403 Acet
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Sorry but Howaed Beale is right:

- Americans are disliked in most of the world and not just because of the actions of the US government.

The stereotype of the brashly dressed American turist who doesn't actually know much about the place he or she is visiting, tramples all over local customs and just pumps up the volume of his voice in English when trying to make him/herself understood by locals that don't speak English is, sadly, true.

 

In simple terms:

- They're detested in poor countries because of long-standing US policies of exploiting those countries and supporting corrupt dictatorships

- They're disliked in mid-level countries because American turists have an overinflated sense of self-worth and are loud, obnoxious and show no respect for the locals and local tradition

- They're disliked in high-level countries because American turists have an overinflated sense of self-worth and are loud, obnoxious, ignorant, uncouth and lack culture and world knowledge

 

All the latest behaviour of the US government is pretty much following the stereotype of the American turist who thinks of himself as more important than everybody else and shows absolutelly no respect for others or their customs.

(Maybe this explains why the US sucks at nation-building!???)

 

PS: I know a couple of American emigrants personally, most are pretty reasonable people that don't fit this stereotype. Then again, those tend to be amongst the most well educated, open-minded and worldy.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 06:50 | 3709410 malikai
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One of the worst things for me is to meet another American - anywhere. And of course, I can smell them and pick them out from miles away, so it's easy to avoid.

And it's not that the stereotypes are excessively true - they're not. It's that regardless of the stereotypes, being an American, and being known as an American is - frankly, embarrassing at this point.

Every time I expose my accent, I end up going through the pleasantries and having to spend 30+ minutes explaining that yes, we're a bunch of fucking idiots. Yes, we love to kill brown people. Yes, we're completely controlled by marketing slogans, talking points, etc. Yes, we're the most wasteful. No, we don't read. And no, not every one is that stupid.

When the image of your country goes from "Oh, I'd just love to see the Bulls play, just once!!" to "Why do they humiliate, rape, and rob you at the airport?", things have changed.

Out since '05. Wanted out since '95.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 13:30 | 3707876 freewolf7
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Cue the scene from Casablanca.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 13:54 | 3707928 prains
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Lance Armstrong to be new head of NSA...............give us your tired,poor and hungry and we'll turn them into criminals, U..........S.........A, drink it bitchezzzz

 

where the fuck is that bucket of water, bitch bring the towel

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:04 | 3707954 Hughing
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We will offer to share the data and this problem will slip quietly under the calm waters

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 13:17 | 3707855 aleph0
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C'mon .... they were all told :  "Yes we scan"

 

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