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How The NSA Collects Your Internet Data In Four Charts

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When it blew the lid open on the NSA domestic spying scandal in conjunction with the Guardian, the Washington Post released the first batch of slides revealing the preliminary details of which Internet firms cooperate in secret with the NSA, unleashing a firestorm of lies and denials by these same private companies (not to mention the administration), whose collaboration with the US government was subsequently revealed to be of symbiotically and mutually beneficial (think massive government contracts and classified data kickbacks in exchange for confidential customer data).

Last night, WaPo released the latest batch of slides given to it by Edward Snowden who appears to have been very busy downloading as much internal NSA info as he could, during his three months at Booz. This time we learn all about the PRISM "tasking" process - or the detail of how the NSA goes about "incidentally" spying on America's citizens (because as much as it is a headline grabber, the NSA spying on the EU, the G-20, and other non-US entities, is after all its job).

From the WaPo:

Acquiring data from a new target

This slide describes what happens when an NSA analyst "tasks" the PRISM system for information about a new surveillance target. The request to add a new target is passed automatically to a supervisor who reviews the "selectors," or search terms. The supervisor must endorse the analyst's "reasonable belief," defined as 51 percent confidence, that the specified target is a foreign national who is overseas at the time of collection.


Analyzing information collected from private companies

After communications information is acquired, the data are processed and analyzed by specialized systems that handle voice, text, video and "digital network information" that includes the locations and unique device signatures of targets.


Each target is assigned a case notation

The PRISM case notation format reflects the availability, confirmed by The Post's reporting, of real-time surveillance as well as stored content.


Searching the PRISM database

On April 5, according to this slide, there were 117,675 active surveillance targets in PRISM's counterterrorism database. The slide does not show how many other Internet users, and among them how many Americans, have their communications collected "incidentally" during surveillance of those targets.


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Sun, 06/30/2013 - 03:47 | 3707254 williambanzai7
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Sun, 06/30/2013 - 04:04 | 3707264 Skateboarder
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"Honey, you hear that? They're watching us. We're famous!"

*dances around the room*

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 04:38 | 3707271 Supernova Born
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<--Snowden's info caused a change
<--I have not noticed a change

Have you noticed any difference in the content of any of your phone/email/etc. discussions since Snowden blew the whistle?

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 04:40 | 3707283 Troll Magnet
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of course it's different! the shit's gotten waaaaaaaaaaaaay too creepy!

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 04:47 | 3707285 Supernova Born
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I used to think gold being manipulated was creepy.


Sun, 06/30/2013 - 05:11 | 3707295 MillionDollarBonus_
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Conspiracy theorists are so annoying. Of course FBI and CIA keep track of terrorists, and some of those terrorists happen to be Americans. If you have nothing to hide then what are you afraid of? Tyler, as an objective reader on this site I find the paranoia in these conspiratorial forums deafening. When are you going to start regulating the content on this site? Lately it's got so out of hand that I'm finding it hard to inject even the slightest bit of reason or objectivity into these forums.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 05:14 | 3707296 Bearwagon
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If you have nothing to hide - you already lost everything! Period!

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 07:22 | 3707360 fockewulf190
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"Dammmm yyyoooouuu Tyyyylerrrr Durrrrrdennnnn!!!!!!!". As an uncallused, smallish fist, that which has only known the friction of pens and pencils, produces an almost laughable impact against the polished, hardwood desktop, "Get me Alexander on the phone! I want to know all about this Tyler Durden menance forthwith!"

I'll bet an ASE the above is non-fiction.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 07:46 | 3707382 GetZeeGold
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These days they throw your ass in jail.....after they rough you up......for buying water.


Welcome to just took a little more time than we thought.



Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:16 | 3707458 cifo
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Yeap, he just got the year wrong.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:19 | 3707466 insanelysane
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Is it a coincidence that all of the system names are written in Newspeak???

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:31 | 3707484 disabledvet
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nope. "tomorrow's news today." sir "I just took care of your enemies." "great's the promotion."

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:49 | 3707517 espirit
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The only secret you keep is hiding the truth from yourself.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 11:02 | 3707604 prains
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you haven't quite mastered doublethink but keep up the mediocre effort

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 13:07 | 3707836 derek_vineyard
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anything online is fair game----transparency is a two way street

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:14 | 3707977 prains
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so are panties but that doesn't give you the right to tear them off, r.a.p.e.o.f.u.r.r.i.g.h.t.s

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 16:01 | 3708199 AldousHuxley
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"rights" = temp priviledges given to you by those in power to give you illusion of self-directed destiny in hope that you don't discover how little rights you really have.


you don't have money, guns, publicity, nor institutional positional power, then you have no rights except what color your wash towels are. YOU EXIST TO SERVE the TOP 0.1% The OWNERS. $100,000,000 to become one in USA.


Sun, 06/30/2013 - 15:57 | 3708195 underman
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Explain tracking phone calls and texts. 

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 16:01 | 3708200 Chupacabra-322
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Here's a nice disclaimer I've added to all email transmissions sent.  Please feel free to pass it on:

WARNING: The National Security Agency is likely recording and storing this communication as part of its unlawful spying programs on all Americans … and people worldwide. The people who created the NSA spying program say that this communication – and any responses – can and will be used against the American people at any time in the future should folks in government decide to go after us for political reasons. And private information in digital communications may be given to big companies by the government.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 18:39 | 3708563 prains
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you haven't quite mastered doublethink but keep up the mediocre effort


yes you have some good double entendre quips but M to be a master you need to go triple entendre with a feedback loop then you're into doublethink,

still way to linear, it's all in the looped feedback of the idea. M so far doesn't stand for Mobius........keep swinging my pigeon toed friend

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:17 | 3707459 THX 1178
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I always thought something was fishy about the Snowden affair. Watch this video and tell me you still believe he's a real whistleblower...

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:47 | 3707512 TeamDepends
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Thanks for that.  When they "couldn't" nab him in Hong Kong the crap detecter here went off the scale.  So the only rational conclusion is that they want you to know they are spying on you.  For similar reasons they keep the Zimmerman trial in the headlines as they know it will increase racial tensions, thus distracting the public from the truly serious problems we face.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:33 | 3707564 tsx500
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yup exactly.            they don't care  if people hate them , as long as we FEAR them .   FORWARD !!

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 11:49 | 3707693 nmewn
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Ya know, I been thinkin about that..."They want us to know we're being watched." What better way to stifle freedom of speech than for everyone to be paranoid about what we say.

Fuck em...I think its time to lead off every comment with something provocative.



Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:30 | 3708008 DaddyO
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The Constitution is the whipping boy of the that provocative enough?

Very good video and inline with what I have posted here on ZH in several other threads. ES is being handled by someone and it appears to be his "former" employer, the CIA.

From jump street this whole affair appeared to be a very well scripted event straight out of Central "intelligence" Casting, the Rogue Patriot, the jilted Hot Girlfriend, safe harbor issues and on and on it goes.

It won't stop until whomever is directing the actors gets the desired effect.

Flushing out certain groups sympathetic to one side or the other?

Appearing to create strife and tension within the diplomatic community?

The questions are endless, but my original thought remains that it is payback for taking down Patreaus and those loyal to him and his ilk.


Sun, 06/30/2013 - 18:41 | 3708564 nmewn
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Yeah, I can see why people would think that.

But I still think the charade (if it is) was unecessary.

The whole thing was dumped in the medias lap (even if the media is on the take and most of it is) right after Holder is caught lying, saying Rosen was a "co-conspirator" in order to get a search warrant, copying journalists phone records at the AP and Attkisson's computer being hacked, no way was all the press gonna sit on this.

Then the IRS scandal hit.

If it is NSA/CIA, it could have been an anonymous dump and achieve the same result.

Now whether Snowden was allowed access to achieve the result desired, is another matter...but I still think he's legit until proven otherwise.

The larger question is, why would they want the world to know everyone is being monitored and how they do it? Either way, its to tamp down open dissent...IMO.

We're getting to cocky to them? back to my car bomb building ;-)

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 16:30 | 3708270 kchrisc
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After the people, the two things they, the pols, crats and banksters, fear most are truth and guns. The first removes the rug out from under their lies and the other removes them.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 15:22 | 3708129 Oldwood
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Exactly, Be carefull of what you say and to whom. This is what they are telling us. We are watching you...right? And dare not defend yourself from an attack of a black man because regardless of guilt or innocence, youw ill be publicly destroyed. Do not criticise your government or you are a threat and do not criticise your president or you are a racist. This is all about SILENCING us. You are being watched, and even if you do not break any written laws, you will be harrassed, audited and possibly arrested and publicly destroyed by rhe very media that is tasked to defend our liberties but now turns the other way in an effort to retain what power and supposed freedom they still possess. Snowden has simply allowed them to put a ribbon on years of implied but denied threats to our freedoms.  Ultimately nothing has been revealed that we didn't already know or suspect. As with the IRS abuses, anything that does show up as proof will be minimized and attributed to rogue or inept employees, but never anything systemic or deliberate. And those who suggest that while these powers are indeed dangerous but needed, are convinced that laws of constitutionally based legislation are somehow going to restrain abuses, are deluded. They say that they can pull these powers at first hint of abuse, proof of which will come in the form of a legal suite. I say bullshit to that. Regular citizens, once having felt the firm grasp of these powers at their shoulders are NOT going to ask for a boot on the neck by filing suite in a court of law that these people full well control. Look for those who have tried and how did they end up? Which whistleblower has a statue  on the Washington Mall. The threats are real, we all know it, not just in our guts but in our brains now, and will act accordingly. Heads down and look both ways when crossing the street.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:09 | 3707538 bigkahuna
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Its coming around. This whole Snowden story is a snow job. This video actually fields a plausible explanation: because the CIA is not happy with the NSA getting more funding, which means less funding for the CIA.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:59 | 3707601 fockewulf190
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What if Snowden is in reality an unwitting(?) electronic "Typhoid Mary" spreading Stuxnet 2.0 all over the place. Look for another Intelligence Star to be placed on a certain wall in the upcoming months.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 13:52 | 3707921 AmericanFUPAcabra
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Good call. It's all bullshit, reads like a shitty spy novel. Articles are getting leaked with perfect timing and he tells them where hes going but they cant find him?  Always one step ahead...Give me a fucking break, they can stop any flights they want to. Plus everything he has come forth with was known about in 06' and 08' and no one gave a fuck then. Picture of a russian jet landing in Iceland the other day at 3am. Russia doesnt charter flights to iceland. Nor could you get a direct flight from iceland/china to cuba. l o l. wake up people.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:05 | 3707956 toxic8
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yes... very good thoughts THX... I was all for this guy who looked like he could adorn the cover of the Half Life VG Box, and the movement, the message but I have to say a HUGE red flag that it was being parrotted everywhere on MSM, we all know real issues get swept under the carpet

now, hypothetically of course, would anyone be surprised if Edward "disappears" or dies an untimely or tragic death, what a shame that would be, wouldn't it?

The epic struggle, lost to the powers that be, not only is it now in the mass consciousness that "they are watching us" but so it would be burned into the collective that "resistance is futile" ... and fatal.

Always question, and re-question, and question again..

PS now that I think about it, the clampdown / backlash / draconian tactics and smear campaign on whistleblowers AND the journalists aiding them ... including The official "Federal Snitch on your co-worker" program seem a very convenient & efficient response to this possibly controlled leak...


Sun, 06/30/2013 - 18:21 | 3708465 spekulatn
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Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:50 | 3708051 Freddie
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Well this may end up in their Stasi database but it must be said:

Paul Krugman is a douchebag.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 08:23 | 3707418 Cloud9.5
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For God’s sake people, go back and review the Hoover Files.  J. Edgar Hoover spent millions gathering information on his political enemies so that he could use black mail anytime one of them became powerful enough to threaten his belief system or his empire.  This information gathering is not about protecting us.  If it had been, the pressure cooker bombers would have been apprehended before they blew the legs off of people at the Boston Marathon.


This is about watching perceived enemies of the state like the Tea Party and the Occupy Wall Street movement.  This is about control.


Sun, 06/30/2013 - 08:40 | 3707429 Treason Season
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...and Lansky ran Hoover and Rothschilds/Rockefeller run/ran them all or is it the Committe of 300 or is it the Olympians or the Reptilians?!?!

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:16 | 3707981 prains
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Septogenarians! damn those blue hairs

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:33 | 3708020 DaddyO
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Hey, easy there, I resemble that remark...


Sun, 06/30/2013 - 20:53 | 3708843 prains
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stay thirsty my friend

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:49 | 3707588 monoloco
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Given the prominence of Booz/Allen aka The Carlyle Group in the gathering of intelligence, one has to wonder if said information could have been used to co-opt politicians into being tools for the oligarchy so heavily represented by Carlyle. Considering that the president did a complete 180º reversal on most of his campaign promises of 08 after being elected, is it too far fetched to wonder if he was visited by representatives of the plutocracy bearing electronic evidence of illegal, immoral, or embarassing activities and presented with the option of being ruined personally, politically, and financially, or doing as he is told and enjoying the benefits of power? I think we all know what any egotistical, narcissistic and greedy politician would choose. Tin foil hat stuff? Maybe, but the fact that a scenario like this is possible is reason enough to rein in the unfettered gathering of electronic surveillance on our citizenry.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 11:05 | 3707607 TeamDepends
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Their legs were already blown off!!!!  "Jeff Bauman" is an amputee crisis actor!  Think of the infamous picture of the "cowboy" wheeling him to safety.  First of all, he would have lost so much blood there is no way he could be conscious.  Second, what kind of EMT genius would put someone with that type of injury in a wheelchair so that what little blood they had left in their body would squirt on out into the street!!!  How do these crisis actors sleep at night (thinking of you "Robbie Parker")?

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 12:32 | 3707773 phaedrus1952
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And barely two and a half weeks later - 19 days to be exact - said Mr. Bauman was vigorously waving a large pole-mounted flag overhead while sitting upright in a wheelchair at a Bruins game. Video watchable on youtube.  This is by far the most disprovable, blatant display of conspiracy theory actually being conspiracyi FACT! Such massive trauma would entail months of bedridden, extensive recovery if a person were even able to survive at all.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 13:29 | 3707875 francis_sawyer
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Just a few weeks after that... The fucker was throwing out the first pitch at a Red Sox game...



Sun, 06/30/2013 - 12:13 | 3707733 Cloud9.5
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Secret FBI files exclusively seen by the Sunday People reveal Michael Jackson spent £23million buying the silence of at least two dozen young boys he abused over 15 years.


The documents – case numbers CADCE MJ-02463 and CR 01046 – were not passed on to prosecutors in the King of Pop’s 2005 trial, when he was cleared of molesting a child.



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And now we have this where the feds spied on this creep, knew what he was doing and yet, never ended his abuse of these children.  Explain to me again the purpose of this spying.  If you cannot see this for what it is you are dumber than a rock.


Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:11 | 3707450 Long-John-Silver
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If you have nothing to hide - you already lost everything! Period!


Now I understand why people take their clothing off and walk around naked in public.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 05:41 | 3707309 Svendblaaskaeg
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"Tyler, as an objective reader on this site I find the paranoia in these conspiratorial forums deafening"

agreed, talking to yourself is paranoia ;-)

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 11:52 | 3707698 nmewn
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Suicide bomber!

Thats my impression of MDB ;-)

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 12:46 | 3707787 AlaricBalth
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My impression of MDB is that of a middle aged white guy sitting in his underwear and stained tank top, slurping a 32 oz Coke and noshing on Hot Pockets as he navigates in front of a double screen configuration with porno on one monitor and ZH on the other.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:37 | 3708029 DaddyO
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Now that is an imaginative visual and scary as hell! Although it doesn't fit the intelligently cognitive writings of MDB, I say he is the diminutive alter ego of one of the Tylers.

Just Saying...


Sun, 06/30/2013 - 16:11 | 3708227 espirit
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MDB is just a distraction.

Prolly pops up when truth becomes obvious and his handlers need to defuse the topic.

Keeping track here on out.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 16:17 | 3708243 blanketof ash
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Late midde aged white guy. Small dick pre-ejaculator to boot.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 06:02 | 3707316 bunnyswanson
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Whether this information which is being gathered is used to persecute individuals for their beliefs, their activities, or experimentation (which at another time would be a short-lived dip-the-toe-in-the-water event) would be used to define a person,

or whether this information will be used as leverage against potential opposition, for instance, in political or business or judicial settings, is really yet unknown.  Selling information is turning you into an open book.

Did you ever deviate from the norm?  Even for a minute? 

The potential of this turning into a form of categorizing the masses is great.  It has happened before.  Record keeping is a badge of honor to the mad man's mind.  Fine detail is what he lies awake in bed thinking of.  It's a movie production set brought to life, with unwilling participants, producers, directors, and a sound man, The Main Stream Media.

Every good man who speaks of peace on earth will be slipped away from sight because competition is what the one world government is against.  Votes?  Who cares what ~they~ think.

A genius with an answer to an issue that needs an immediate remedy to save all mankind will be dust in this new world (where only they count).

Without competition, we are fucked.  FUCKED do you hear me?

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 06:09 | 3707318 SunRise
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"If you have nothing to hide then what are you afraid of?"  PREDATORS!

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:39 | 3707499 insanelysane
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Think of all the administrations that claim "executive privelege" and how many times they claim it.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:12 | 3707544 Ignatius
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"...what are you afraid of?"


Sun, 06/30/2013 - 11:16 | 3707599 AlaricBalth
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True story: When I was a child I had a creepy, recurring dream that an evil clown was always watching me through my bedroom window. At first it was terrorizing, yet eventually I became used to it and over time the dream faded away. Then one evening the dream returned, only this time the clown entered my room and began chasing me until I slayed it with an old sword.

Now perhaps it wasn't a dream, but a premonition.

Secondly, anyone know a good shrink? :-)

Edit: I believe I found the clown in my dreams courtesy of williambanzai7:

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 12:01 | 3707721 nmewn
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How to make C-4.

Thats one scary looking

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 18:16 | 3708501 AlaricBalth
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"Suicide bomber" "How to make C4". LOL
nmewn, Hope you look good in that government issued orange jumpsuit.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 12:21 | 3707752 Ignatius
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Good story.

John Wayne Gacy ruined it for me.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:11 | 3707968 RaceToTheBottom
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Gaining control of your dreams is a major step in the growth of humans.  Other major steps are when a child pours liquid from a short fat glass into a tall skinny glass and the water overflows.....


Congrates on your evolution

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 13:06 | 3707748 Pegasus Muse
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”To the wicked, everything serves as pretext.” -Voltaire

“... the State is nothing more nor less than a bandit gang writ large.” -Murray Rothbard  

The wicked control the state as state tries to control the people.  That needs to change. 

When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty.  --Thomas Jefferson



Sun, 06/30/2013 - 06:27 | 3707326 css1971
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The only problem with this is you don't get to decide what you might need to hide.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 06:44 | 3707339 Monedas
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I have to agree with MDB .... I hear about a van full of Mossad Joos .... high fiving and jumping around .... in a New Jersey parking lot .... as the twin towers were on fire .... but no one has told me how many Joos went to work in the Trade Center that morning .... how many of them died .... how many Joos died in the airplanes .... until they can deliver on that basic information .... their conspiracy theory .... is lunacy .... and that thread yesterday .... where Milton Friedman is blamed as the author of Big Government .... ye Gods ?

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 07:07 | 3707351 bunnyswanson
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First is 15 min interview with cop who stopped them.

Second is interview with the person who witnessed these happy men.  The van with the mural of WTC and a jet liner flying into it is more than enough evidence to convince you.  Rushed back to Israel, passports, box cutter. 4700 dollars in a sock. Recording the event no less. ffs...

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:41 | 3707501 Monedas
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Both of those links are garbage !  So, how many Joos died ?  They were martyred in the name of Zion .... and Mossad agents were celebrating ? You're nuts .... from the German "Nichts" !

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:09 | 3707536 GMadScientist
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You think Mossad is above taking out a few of the chosen to make an op look like someone else?


Sun, 06/30/2013 - 11:56 | 3707706 toxic8
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I wouldn't even bother GM... this guy obviously has it all figured out!

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 12:16 | 3707745 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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How many muslims died during 9/11, Except for the dumb ass ones who allowed thmeselves to be used by the jooos.Why is it that islam makes so many followers so fucking dumb that they let joooos and the CIA fuck them over evey singleday. Allah makes really dumb followers

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 12:21 | 3707753 nmewn
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Oh yeah...Ricin Letters!!!

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 07:11 | 3707353 francis_sawyer
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Yeah ~ It's crazy to think that Roosevelt knew anything in advance about Pearl Harbor... I mean, for Chrissakes, Americans died there!


& 'Operation Northwoods' was a secret plot to keep the bear population under control...

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:48 | 3707515 Monedas
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If the Jap attack was thwarted at the last moment or defended against a little better .... that wouldn't have been sufficient .... to start a war .... believe me .... I am no Roosevelt fan .... he was a socialist dupe .... but he had a big, sloppy sentimental heart .... and he was Secretary of the Navy .... during Teddy's presidency .... Navy guys don't slaughter their own ? 

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:02 | 3707530 Monedas
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It took an all out effort .... with many PBY patrols .... after the war was on .... to find the Jap carriers .... in the battle for the Midway islands .... and we knew they were coming ?

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:18 | 3707549 LetThemEatRand
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No one said ..... the U.S. military orchestrated it ..... or that they knew ..... where the ships were at all times ...... just that some knew ..... it was coming ..... and didn't stop it .....

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 11:05 | 3707606 prains
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Sun, 06/30/2013 - 12:30 | 3707768 FeralSerf
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As you read the following account of Pearl Harbor, keep in mind the callousness with which they planned the deaths of thousands of U.S. soldiers, without a mere shrug. Collateral damage is all it is to them, folks. They are not nice.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 12:36 | 3707779 nmewn
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I'll add this...Harry Dexter White:

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 13:28 | 3707871 FeralSerf
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To better understand the relationship that FDR had with Stalin (and Harry White) read "MAJOR JORDAN'S DIARIES".

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:30 | 3707483 Vooter
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"until they can deliver on that basic information .... their conspiracy theory .... is lunacy"

And lunacy is hard to control, now, isn't it? :-)

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:57 | 3707522 Monedas
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Of the 3,000 who died .... in the financial district of New York .... a Jew rich environment .... and maybe 300 Jews died (10% - the supervisors) .... that would be expected .... if only 5 or 10 Jews died .... I would maybe join the conspiracy investigation .... so, I repeat .... how many Jews died .... of the 3,000 people who died that day ?

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:05 | 3707531 Monedas
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Of all the conspiracy theories .... Pearl Harbor, Roswell, JFK .... not one has held any water !

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 13:36 | 3707890 francis_sawyer
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Jewish population in, NEW YORK, is 9%...



IOW ~ This isn't the 'asymmetry' you're looking for...

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:14 | 3707976 Ignatius
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Notice how this smarmy shit slips in Roswell with JFK and Pearl Harbor?

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 16:20 | 3708251 Vooter
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Doesn't matter! The subversion spawned by the existence of conspiracy theories is what matters....

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:24 | 3707543 LetThemEatRand
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Is it a rule that the most close minded posters who .... insist that the matrix is reality  .... and that the tyrants who rule us ......  could not possibly be so evil as to ..... kill their own and .... deem it collateral damage  ..... because that would be unthinkable ..... must have an annoying .... mannerism in their .... posts .....?

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 11:08 | 3707610 prains
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Sun, 06/30/2013 - 16:19 | 3708246 Vooter
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I don't care how many Jews died! That's not the point. The point is that conspiracy theories--right or wrong, it doesn't matter--help to sow distrust in the government and to ever so slowly eat away at the government's legitimacy. The more (and the more outrageous) the merrier!

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 07:29 | 3707368 Ban KKiller
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That's what the Redcoats would have said...back when we had British tyranny.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 07:40 | 3707374 Go Tribe
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When the collapse comes, and it will, we go a-hunting.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 07:47 | 3707386 smacker
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You obviously have nothing to hide. So please post certified copies of your bank statements going back 10 years and your photograph, your home address and all other personal bio.

Remember: you've got nothing to hide.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:07 | 3707448 disabledvet
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and of course we're all better off without even the idea of Rights anyways. I mean give me break. we have nothing to hide? how about the people we entrust to make sound decisions on our behalf? are the folks who say we are better off with this program saying that them being targets are a good thing? where is for example the end of all gun violence in South side Chicago if that's the case? or very powerful forces that create financial bubbles only to sell based on insider information (let alone trade) and stick us the People of Earth with the bill on the way down? "Where Ed Snowden goes capitalism and contracts are safe." let alone your gold.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 07:53 | 3707389 GubbermintWorker
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Give me your email information then so that I may peruse it. You've nothing to hide, right? Oh, and let me have your phone records, credit card purchase history, and and internet history while you're at it.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 08:07 | 3707402 aldante
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I'm afraid of abuse. Of the 51%.
I'm afraid PRISIM gives an individual the full power of the US government with no oversight. Snowden proves that personal data can easily stolen by simply a contractor in the NSA. He was hired by Booz and copied an incredible amount of information in 3 months. He uses the data the best way possible by revealing the unconstitutional nature of this program. But isn't it obvious that this process will lead to abuse? Could't data be taken out of context and presented that way to influence elections, votes in congress, votes in local elections, trials, contracts, etc...? Hell, what if one of our trusted contractors had a vendetta against his ex-girlfriends husband?
People do have secrets because that's the nature of privacy. I want to maintain the right. I want to read what I want to without being judged 10 years from now on it's content. I want the right to communicate with anyone and make my own judgement as to their character. I don't want to be judged because else's action just because I once had an association with them. Snowden proves access to personal sensitive data is "unequal" because he was not unique in his position.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:48 | 3707514 smacker
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Exactly right.

Abuse of private data is widespread among apparatchiks working for the State. Eg: employees of one govt dept or another digging down the records of individuals (sometimes famous names) - which their job gave them security access to - and passing it onto Internet forums or selling it to other interested parties etc.

It was a few carefully organised leaks of personal data by a few privacy-concerned employees of Agencies of The Almighty State and exposure of the Met Police for unlawfully retaining DNA records of innocent people, even though the courts had ordered them to be destroyed, that helped kill off the UK ID Cards madness of Mr Tony Bliar & Cronies. The sheeple suddenly realised that the State cannot be trusted and THEIR personal data mght be exposed, whereas previously they thought it was only SOMOBODY ELSE'S.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 08:44 | 3707432 UGrev
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Set yourself on fire and youtube that motherfucker for us. I want to see what it's like to watch a statist burn. 

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:25 | 3707474 Vooter
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Why do you have to whine like a little bitch? "Tyler...Tyler! Make them stop!" butt-jammer...

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:42 | 3707502 Rock the Casbah
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hey MDB - I've got plenty to hide - how about proprietary information, competitve business plans, custom built algorithms that took an insane number of man hours to develop - yea I've got plenty to hide.

But you wouldn't think of that unless you were some government hack -I think you've outed yourself MDB....

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 11:24 | 3707644 DaddyO
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relax...many believe MDB is Tyler's alter ego. From Fight Club to compliant statist decide!


Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:53 | 3707521 rum_runner
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That's what many jews said leading up to the holocaust.  "If I play by the rules they can't hurt me."  You parrot that line well.. "If you have nothing to hide, what are you afraid of?" 

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 13:32 | 3707882 Things that go bump
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Shouldn't that quote be attributed to Goebbels?

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:24 | 3707557 Muppetrage
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So who decides what's to hide and what is not? Financial terrorism or the generic terrorism label for anyone who is a dissentor? I think you're going to have to rethink reason and objectivity.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:44 | 3707576 aqualech
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The problem is what one person's "terrorist" is commonly just someone from the other side of the political spectrum.  Soon this will lead to a one party dictatorial system in which anyone with a different agenda than maintaining the status quo will be thrown in prison with no due process.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 11:12 | 3707624 q99x2
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Any data available to the NSA and CIA is strictly collected for blackmail and bribery of members of congress and corporate espionage.

And we have an invasion of smart people jockeying for access to that info in Washington D.C.

Who gives a fuck about terrorism when you have a chance of getting your hands on data like the NSA is collecting.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 11:13 | 3707630 Fish Gone Bad
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If you have nothing to hide then what are you afraid of?

And that my friend is EXACTLY the problem.  No one has the right to snoop.  It has nothing to do with people having stuff to hide and everything to do with snooping.  In your pursuit to be objective (your words), you've lost your way.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 11:18 | 3707639 outamyeffinway
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Fuck you MDB, you're a troll and a commie. If you think conspiracy theorists are annoying people who flippantly make the comment, "If you have nothing to hide then what are you afraid of?", are so fucking annoying they should be deported for treason. Admit that you want to see the Constitution burned and Obama crowned. Fucking socialist, commie fucker.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 11:32 | 3707656 Dingleberry
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The you won't mind if you get stopped and earched on your way home with no probable cause. You have nothing to hide.

You need to get a refund from wherever you went to school, kindergarten on up.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 11:51 | 3707696 Cynthia
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There are people with nothing to hide; they're called exhibitionists.
Sun, 06/30/2013 - 12:15 | 3707741 RickC
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"I'm finding it hard to inject even the slightest bit of reason or objectivity into these forums."


The reason you are having so much trouble is you have no reason or objectivity to offer.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 12:21 | 3707742 Bunga Bunga
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Get over it, this loser is working for them. He just dumps some provocative bullshit posts, so the Stasi can collect more data. At the same time he masturbates with the online pictures of Edward's girlfriend, because his wife is fat, ugly and extraordinary lazy.  

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 13:11 | 3707846 eatapeach
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I never know how to vote your modest proposals, but please don't waver.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 13:26 | 3707863 ebear
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Yet another pungent odor from the Million Diaper Baby.

fortunately, there's an antidote:

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:19 | 3707988 TheMeatTrapper
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 If you have nothing to hide then what are you afraid of?

I am afraid of nothing. I simply want the Constitution to be respected and the law to be followed. Period. I don't care if it is banks, the NSA, you, I or anyone else - the law must be applied equally. 

What say you, MDB?

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:52 | 3708053 optionsman
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to MDB:

hey shit head, how about we put you in a prison where you will have no rights but you will be totally safe- I mean absolutely safe? would you like that? what? am i hearing a weak and meak no? thought so....

this may come as a novel concept for you but to have any rights for yourself you need to vehemently protect other people's rights

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 15:25 | 3708135 angel_of_joy
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MDB, we all know you're just a sad troll.

However, you are a good proxy for "the system".

As a result, GFYS !


P.S. NSA has my permition to store and re-use that indefinitely.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 15:57 | 3708196 Blano
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Somewhat better than other recent efforts MDB.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 17:17 | 3708370 spankfish
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The boys at Menwith Hill find you hilarious!  Just sayin'.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 22:50 | 3720413 MeelionDollerBogus
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Good people have things to hide.

If the government has nothing to hide they should permit any whistleblower with no legal penalties.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 05:03 | 3707291 bank guy in Brussels
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We all need to believe in heroes, we want 'hope' from Edward Snowden, and from his sometimes pal (the obsessively pro-Israel, anti-9-11-truth !) Julian Assange

But this thing is not holding together

We have apparent 3-way bickering now among Ecuador, Assange and Wikileaks, and Snowden ... when the whole Ecuador thing does not make any sense anyway (see below)


Reports of Ecuador revoking Snowden's travel documents under US pressure, and Ecuador and Assange embarrassing each other

And even worse, Al Jazeera reports Edward Snowden is negotiating to go back to the USA

According to his father Lonnie, there is an offer to Obama's gangster Eric Holder, that Snowden will go back to be on trial if he stays out of prison before the trial and does not have his freedom of speech banned during that period.

Father also claims son Snowden is being 'manipulated by Wikileaks'

Russia should prevent Snowden from returning to US on grounds he needs to be prevented from self-harm as a crazy person

Sad, either way ... whether Snowden really was a CIA 'limited hang out' shill from the beginning, to deflect from the Israeli role in NSA and other agendas ... or is just a total idiot now


So Edward Snowden and his friend, the very pro-Israel Julian Assange (who despises 9-11 'truthers') ... they are 'dissidents' who want refuge in Ecuador ...

Where Ecuador's President Rafael Correa  ... tried to imprison and bankrupt a newspaper publisher who criticised him ... who was forced to take refuge with Panama, ha !

And where CIA whistleblower Philip Agee says the Ecuadorean police are in the pay of the CIA ... and they tried a coup d'état against Correa in 2010 ... after a successful coup in 2000 in Ecuador ...

This CIA-police country, is the 'refuge' choice, and not a more secure place like Russia ?

And Snowden is interviewed and promoted by Mika Brzezinski, daughter of Zbigniew Brzezinski of the Trilateral Commission - Bilderbergs

Brzezinski is the most senior US foreign policy figure, architect of US wars in Asia 'Great Game - Grand Chessboard', advisor to US Presidents for 40 years including Obama ? ...

The same Brzezinski who even admitted Wikileaks was a CIA operation ... trying to embarrass gov'ts outside of US-Israel

It is possible that Assange was either a dupe of CIA, or himself earlier CIA but things went sour when Assange went rogue ... so Guardian and NYT, first his big fans, did a 180 degree and suddenly start bashing him, and Assange is holed up in the embassy, rather trapped from admitting his earlier CIA role or that he was a dupe

Putin may well have figured things out

Article by a guy in Bolivia: « Operation Assange 2.0 was bound to fail, as miserably as its first part ... Ecuador, Really? »

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 06:49 | 3707341 smacker
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Much of this speculation may be true or have some elements of truth. Especially the piece about his father setting out some conditions for his return to the US. Is his father a negotiation conduit?

It looks to me like Snowden failed to do a lot of due diligence before he fled. He failed to ask/resolve of himself and others, a lot of What If questions. Any mature person KNOWS that you always have to have a fallback plan, Plan B. Snowden seems not to have one.

Did he never consider that the US would cancel his passport and leave him stranded somewhere (in the Moscow airport transit lounge as it happens) with no papers to go anywhere? Did he not contact the Iceland/Ecuador authorities about asylum before fleeing? Did he not make contact with WikiLeaks to understand some important issues? Did he really believe that he could stay in HK and avail himself of their track record of supporting human rights, and that HK decisions would not be influenced/dictated by Beijing?

It looks like he had a simplistic plan and it's gone wrong.

He's now in a mess and at the mercy of global crats and political elites. I believe his best option right now is to ask the Russians for asylum. Plenty of opportunities there for him and personal safety. But that would be very difficult for Putin to agree as it would sour US-Russian relationships for some time.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:02 | 3707529 GMadScientist
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Putin would love to legitemately thumb Obama in the eye; I think Syria is a little more important in the grand scheme of US / Ruski relations than the world's least-prepared whistleblower.


Sun, 06/30/2013 - 11:40 | 3707672 Totentänzerlied
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"But that would be very difficult for Putin to agree as it would sour US-Russian relationships for some time."

You forgot the sarc tag. The US and Russia have not been friends since Russia was a Tzardom.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:15 | 3707979 FeralSerf
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Snowden is just another pawn on The Great Chessboard.   The Elites needed something to amuse themselves.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 15:07 | 3708084 optionsman
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to all those who think that Russia is somehow interested to help Snowden and embarrass the US- this cannot be further from the truth. the Russians are doing exactly same data collection on their own people and I would venture to say that other governments across the world are guilty of same. all of the governments' interests are in making Snowden quietly go away. sure, the Russians or Chinese are interested in what Snowden has in his possession but none of them are interested in public exploitation of Snowden or his intel because it would attract too much attention to their own efforts of same kind however even legal these programs may be in the respective countries.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 07:05 | 3707350 Wakanda
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Bank Guy - Who cares who is running "operation" Snowden?  The results are that he is the #1 headline maker / whistleblower.  Nobody has done more to awaken and direct anti state anger than Edward.  Everyone likes some privacy and dislikes being spied upon.  That feeling is universal so he easily becomes a natural hero.

He's #1 whether you like it or not.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:06 | 3707534 GMadScientist
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You ever see someone walking a dog just jerk the chain a little to remind the dog he's on a leash?

That's what this is; a reminder for those who didn't already know that they're watching you. Nothing more.


Sun, 06/30/2013 - 12:01 | 3707718 Totentänzerlied
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I see no change in levels of anti-state anger, just some middling displeasure with a small part of the government. I see no anger of any sort. I see bourgeois mild annoyance.

If the public is too dumb to dissociate the message (whatever it may be) from the messenger, there is no hope for it. If people are too stupid to not be angry over the long and growing list of abuses they've allowed themselves to be subject to, there is no hope for them.

I care not if he's number one, or number one million, or number -3.14, he's a pawn in others' game, and any message about resisting and rejecting has fallen on deaf ears.

In terms of political economy, it is a nonevent, nothing but the latest 15 minute celebrity-curiosity. The hero phenomenon ultimately benefits those who control the media, not the great mass of people, for whom a hero is merely an excuse to do nothing while having one's sympathetic feelings validated, from the safety and comfort of the armchair. Until people stop looking for heros to which to attach their identities and hopes, they will get exactly the heros they deserve: sociopaths, manipulators, fools, megalomaniacs, tyrants, con-men, etc. The hero says "believe me", the victim says "deceive me" - they deserve each other.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 14:03 | 3707952 dark pools of soros
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the truth is meant to come out over time, in ways that both confirm the truth of the oppression and the feeling of helplessness to do anything even with the truth confirmed...

They can even let another patsy leak that 9/11 was an inside job now and nothing will change except that the people will feel weaker and weaker





Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:20 | 3707467 Vooter
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I fucking hate heroes...

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 11:12 | 3707627 ejmoosa
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Sun, 06/30/2013 - 12:01 | 3707720 AlaricBalth
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Fu*k Obama in hex.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 12:18 | 3707747 RickC
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Thanks, I didn;t want to get out my ascii converter, but the only character I recogized was the x'20' which is " ".

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 15:47 | 3708178 sgt_doom
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To many of us here, who have been following this so-called "conspiracy theory" which is now officially conspiracy fact, this is really old news, but still important to disseminate.

My official response would be the same as my cat's:

Or the official rappers' take on the matter:

But the Conscience of America, Glenn Greenwald has the best take on the matter:


Sun, 06/30/2013 - 06:24 | 3707324 onthesquare
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now that you mention it my beer was a little warmer than usuallly yerterday afternoon.  sick

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 07:12 | 3707355 francis_sawyer
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Oh the humanity!

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 07:45 | 3707381 myptofvu
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If this shit works so well against terrorism then why did it take them 10 yrs to find Bin Laden?

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:12 | 3707452 disabledvet
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and where is Bin Laden? or any of these people? how do I know for the trillions spent that we have gotten...anything of value?

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:22 | 3707471 insanelysane
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Whitey Bulger was on the run for a century and the FBI just happened to "locate" him right before the US Marshals got involved.  hmmm

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:37 | 3707496 disabledvet
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amazingly he's alive and on trial so freedom isn't totally dead yet. I have the sudden urge to move to New England as a consequence I might add.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:44 | 3707507 insanelysane
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Put that fucking thought out of your head.  Massachusetts is going to raise the gas tax and then index it to inflation.  I don't smoke but they are going up another buck a pack on cigarettes. And they are going to tax software consulting services 6.25%.

And you know what the gov said about these taxes?  It is a nice start but we need moar.

RI and CT are worse.  A bunch of massholes have invaded NH so the "live free or die slogan" is going to be changed to "pay more taxes or move to Maine."  VT or ME might be choices but the weather still sucks.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 11:45 | 3707683 el Gallinazo
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Because it is common knowledge with anyone with more than 3 functioning synapses that OBL died of his Morfan's syndrome in Afghanistan in December of 2001.  He was really an al CIAda asset who got thrown under the bus in his last few months of life.  This was the greatest use that they could make of him and not unusual, as the families of the Navy Seals who took down that ill-fated Arab patsy actor in Pakistan can attest.  He was symbolically keep alive for ten years, because the manual (1984) demanded that we needed an Emmanual Goldstein to focus our required two minutes of hate.  As his hate value diminished over time, O'bumma and his handlers decided to maximize its remaining value with a grand event.  The fact that some, like you, actually believe this jive, would indicate that it was not a total failure.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 13:18 | 3707857 Captain Benny
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I don't know if or when or how OBL died, but I do know that three buildings collapsed into their own footprints in one day.  Two minutes of hate to cover that crime and blame two planes for three buildings.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:21 | 3707468 MayIMommaDogFac...
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I am actually feeling a little better.  Before all of these revelations I was pretty sure my calls were being monitored by Dennis Hopper.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 09:47 | 3707513 DaveyJones
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I take the Lord's name in vain more

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 10:38 | 3707568 q99x2
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Yes SNB, there are no messages in my gmail and my google docs are empty.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 11:30 | 3707653 Bad Attitude
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There have not been any differences in the content of any of my phone/email/etc. (electronic communications) since Snowden. I assumed that kind of monitoring was going on.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 11:50 | 3707694 I should be working
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<--Snowden is a hero

<--Snowden is a thought criminal


Sun, 06/30/2013 - 04:27 | 3707275 Tao 4 the Show
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Slight modification to the history books:

East Germany actually assimilated West Germany.

(And the West Germans paid for the privilege)

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 06:22 | 3707323 css1971
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Merkel is an East German.

Sun, 06/30/2013 - 07:00 | 3707347 Monedas
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And the Soviet Union didn't collapse .... and that shoddy, concrete wall .... so untypical of German craftsmanship .... wasn't taken down .... for every undeniable reality .... there are several anti-truth conspiracies .... it's the bi-polar nature of humanity .... left brain .... right brain .... if Van der Slut von Arubastein .... had gone to Ecuador .... he'd still be free .... even if his Dutch family had to buy him out ?

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