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The 21 Nations That Edward Snowden Is Applying To For Asylum

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Are these the only truly free countries left in the world - those that are not joined at the hip with the United States and ready and willing to do Obama's bidding at the drop of a hat? The NSA's most infamous whistleblower certainly thinks so.

Via WikiLeaks,

  1. the Republic of Austria,
  2. the Plurinational State of Bolivia,
  3. the Federative Republic of Brazil, 
  4. the People’s Republic of China,
  5. the Republic of Cuba, 
  6. the Republic of Finland, 
  7. the French Republic,
  8. the Federal Republic of Germany,
  9. the Republic of India,
  10. the Italian Republic,
  11. the Republic of Ireland,
  12. the Kingdom of the Netherlands,
  13. the Republic of Nicaragua,
  14. the Kingdom of Norway,
  15. the Republic of Poland,
  16. the Russian Federation,
  17. the Kingdom of Spain,
  18. the Swiss Confederation,
  19. the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela,
  20. the Republic of Ecuador and
  21. the Republic of Iceland

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Mon, 07/01/2013 - 21:58 | 3712290 Zer0head
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Hmm The California Republic ain't on the list

so much for California Dreaming..


watch this dog get shot dead as its owner is arrested for video taping California's finest in this just uploaded youtube video


(guess they missed the second videographer)

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:03 | 3712302 otto skorzeny
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Don't film the donut huffers on a public street while they stand around fucking off- it's not like we're footing the bill for their fat salaries and pensions or anything.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:57 | 3712340 DoChenRollingBearing
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Jaime Baily (on La Mega -- a TV network in Spanish) is talking Smowden now...  He ain't buying Snowden's BS, nor for the moment, am I.



Jaime BAYLY, he's a Peruvian here in the USA.  Takes no shit from Communists.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:08 | 3712494 DoChenRollingBearing
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There's a lot going on with the Snowden case that just does not add up.  Ecuador has a powerful CIA presence, and Correa knows it.

Junkers!  I shoot down your little red arrows with my AK!  Fire away, I take each one down!



Where he winds up may tell us a lot.  And you can be sure that China & Russia made back-up copies of those laptops and flash drives.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:40 | 3712639 Captain Planet
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Could it also be possible, that ES knew this, and wanted to get the US running around telling Ecuador what not to do, thus angering more countries, making asylum in a decent place (Iceland, Germany, France) possible? Whether he intended so or not, his actions have thoroughly embarrassed Obummer at every turn of this saga, and my feeling now, is that at least 1 of the 21 will grant him asylum, if not a dozen. The recent outrage in Europe over data collection is plenty to keep ES safe. 

DoChen, I usually find your comments insightful, but I must disagree on your outlook regarding this event. 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:24 | 3712661 DoChenRollingBearing
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Sure, anything is possible.  I just think that everyone is annointing St. Edward (LOL!) a little early.  This is ALL very murky, perhaps by design.

This is Fight Club, so I have no hard feelings over any disagreements.  I just think there is a real possibility that many ZH-ers may wind up wrong if Snowden starts passing along stuff to Russia and China (like, indvertently or not) that damages "sources and methods of intelligence", if you catch my drift...

Many of you guys are acting like you knew nothing of NSA's extensive surveillance apparatus.  Zero Hedge's article of a year or so ago about the Utah Data Center should have alerted you all that almost everything is being listened to.

Hey, I just came back from Canada yesterday, and I am on every List!  No one hassled me at the (US) airport...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 06:46 | 3713120 Poor Grogman
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How do you know you are on ANY list??

Maybe your actual danger to the status quo is not that great?

Just a thought...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 07:49 | 3713232 ExpendableOne
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St. Snowden...  I'm just not sure about this.  Could it be as simple as sending him out with 4 notebooks full of "interesting stuff"?  Perhaps something wonderful happens when you plug those notebooks into a network?  And, just who should be surprised that the NSA spies on other countries or inhales all the digital "stuff" they can lay hands on?  Who is hurt and who benfits.  Anyone who has been reading the news before St. Snowden has heard of the massive data centers the NSA is building.  What did they think these things were going to do when complete?  


Tue, 07/02/2013 - 08:57 | 3713433 johnQpublic
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Falcon and the Snowman


perhaps there are parallels with snowden and this old movie

in terms of the intel data quality that is

information, misinformation, disinformation

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:03 | 3713456 bunnyswanson
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I am scheduled to  renewing a US permanent visa next year (every 10 yrs after 40 years).  A1.  do you think i should start packing having been a vocal opponent to the scam called globalization?

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:51 | 3712681 Bringin It
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Do Chen - Don't take this the wrong way.  We all have our flaws, but you seem to have trouble identifying character.

Remember when you were promoting Newt Gingrich???  Was that sensible?  In hindsight?


Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:27 | 3712691 DoChenRollingBearing
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I was for Ron Paul for President.  If he would have won the nomination, I suggested he pick Gingrich as his VP nominee (to go for the win and to get things done).  In retrospect, well, maybe that would not have been a good pick.  But, Ron Paul never got the chance...


Ahh, character...

Putin?  Maduro?  Correa?  Ortega?  Evo Morales?  Whoever it is that runs China?

Those guys make Obama look like the piker he is...

Another edit:

I am reading a book called The Man Without a Face: the Unlikely rise of Vladimir Putin (Masha Gessen, 2012).  Anyone thinking that Putin, a true thug, is doing something that makes you (or me) any better off is completely wrong.  Read the book!  Putin is bad!

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:09 | 3712826 DoChenRollingBearing
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Apparently my real sentiments are not getting through.  Here are a couple of examples from my recent blog post ( about dicking with the NSA...

1)  A PGP Public Key (not mine, I just saw this somewhere, but the format is apparenlty correct):

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.i mQCNAi+UeBsAAAEEAMP0kXU75GQdzwwlMiwZBUKFUDRgR4wH9y5NP9JaZfVX8shT ESbCTbGSEExB2ktEPh5//dkfftsKNlzlAugKFKTgBv20tQ9lDKfdbPVR0HmTLz0e wVIeqEue4+Mt/Kq7kMcQy+5sX2RBAiZTYl0n/JdY/WxflU0taq1kH/UUPkklAAUR tB5NYXJ0eSBNY0ZseSA8bWFydHlAZnV0dXJlLmNvbT6JAJUCBRAvlHhGrWQf9RQ+ SSUBAQX+BACnhx7OTb1SfAcJVF/1kuRPUWuGcl57eZgv4syc1O9T3YNr0terWQBT K0vFR00FdaBv9X9XwlxaBJHGeiBcmhaiOTwB912ysoteUzZHne3sHPw3MkYboAFx xHg43Cnj60OeZG2PKp/kU91ipOJP1cs8/xYOGkeoAMqDfwPeFlkBiA== =ddBN -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
***2) We saw last night Manipuflation's list of words, here's a few:plutonium, William Gates, clone, BATF, SGDN, Nike, WWSV, Atlas, 
IWWSVCS, Delta, TWA, Kiwi, PGP 2.6.2., PGP 5.0i, PGP 5.1, siliconpimp, 
SASSTIXS, IWG, Lynch, 414, Face, Pixar, IRIDF, NSRB, eternity server, 
Skytel, Yukon, Templeton, Johohonbu, LUK, Cohiba, Soros, Standford, 
niche, ISEP, ISEC, 51, H&K, USP, ^, sardine, bank, EUB, USP, PCS, 
NRO, Red Cell, NSOF, Glock 26, snuffle, Patel, package, ISI, INR, INS, 
IRS, GRU, RUOP, GSS, NSP, SRI, Ronco, Armani, BOSS, Chobetsu, FBIS, BND, SISDE, FSB, BfV, IB, froglegs, JITEM, SADF, advise, TUSA, LITE, PKK,  HoHoCon, SISMI, ISG, FIS, MSW, Spyderco, UOP, SSCI, NIMA, HAMASMOIS,  SVR, SIN, advisors, SAP, Monica, OAU, PFS, Aladdin, AG, chameleon man,  Hutsul, CESID, Bess, rail gun, .375, Peering, CSC, Tangimoana Beach,  Commecen, Vanuatu, Kwajalein, LHI, DRM, GSGI, DST, MITI, JERTO, SDF,  Koancho, Blenheim, Rivera, Kyudanki, varon, 310, 17, 312, NB, CBM, CTP,  Sardine, SBIRS, jaws, SGDN, ADIU, DEADBEEF, IDP, IDF, Halibut, SONANGOL, Flu, &, Loin, PGP 5.53, meta, Faber, SFPD, EG&G, ISEP,  blackjack, Fox, Aum, AIEWS, AMW, RHL, Baranyi, WORM

***3) A cool way to generate five digit random numbers (the way many secrets were encrypted in the past) with MS Excel, these will LOOK LIKE secret messages, but are really just gibberish...=INT(RAND()*(99999-0))
Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:26 | 3712856 DoChenRollingBearing
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Please excuse bad formatting above, I could not get these examples into my comment in a cleaner way.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:33 | 3712894 JohnG
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WTF is this???  Random words now?

I like Mark FABER anyway.....

(and you can't generate anything "random" with just a computer...the computer needs other random input to make it.

Are you off your meds or just drunk; you usually make some sense.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 02:31 | 3712957 DoChenRollingBearing
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Ahh, yet more ad hominems, do note that you drag yourself down (rather than me) when you spread them around.  You can, with a little ingenuity, generate "random enough" stuff with your computer and Excel...

The list of "bad words" were provided my a like-minded thinker who (I guess) laces some of his emails with them to annoy the NSA.


Drunk?  No, I gave alcohol up some nine months ago.  Any insanity I now have is strictly my own.  Can you say the same?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 05:08 | 3713069 Acet
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Really, that Random stuff is not really random - it's just a pseudo-random number generator (it looks random but does in fact have a pattern). There's a SEED command somewhere that explicitly initializes that pseudo-random generator. Set the same seed and next runs of RANDOM will get you the same "random" numbers out.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if there's an algorithm that can detect that a list of bytes come from a pseudo-random generator.

That's why somebody the other day was talking about using atomic decay (Cesium 137 I believe) as a source random numbers: if you want true randomness you want to get down to the quantum levels of nature.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 07:08 | 3713144 BigJim
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It doesn't need to be truly random to be unpredictable.

Human beings aren't truly random but if you were to use the time they enter input as part of the seed, then it is to all intents and purposes random.

Whether DoChen's recommended site (the one that generates keywords of interest to the NSA) uses this, or is just another Big Brother-monitored honey trap, is another matter.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 05:06 | 3715055 Acet
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Measuring the times of user input (key-presses and mouse movement) and only using the lowest bit is actually used to generate random keys for cryptography (for example in PGP).(*)

However that method is not really practical for generating one-time pads since the key is as long as the message so one would need to be typing gibberish or wiggling you mouse for many hours to encode a one-page-long message.

(*)That said, if you're trully paranoid, you might want to consider that the hardware on the keyboard or mouse or your OS itself might have been purposefully designed so that the values it passes out are not the real ones and thus not really random.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:19 | 3713501 FrankDrakman
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The following formula calculates a random number between 0 and 1 that does not follow any pattern:

=(NOW()*100000 - INT(NOW()*100000)) Now() uses the internal system clock, which changes very rapidly, so the second NOW() function generates a different number than the first. To generate random numbers over a greater span, simply change the multiplier in the second part, eg. instead of 100,000, using 10,000 in the secondNOW will give you random numbers between 1 and 99, using 1,000 gives you random numbers between 1 and 1,000, etc. Here endeth the lesson.
Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:35 | 3713559 Acet
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Just of the top of my mind, I would say that the values are correlated with the speed of the CPU. In simple terms, the time it takes between two calls to NOW depends on CPU speed. Also quite likelly the Scheduler at the core of the Windows Kernel would constraint the points in time when NOW is called to a far smaller set of time points than the full available mathematical space.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if there aren't other patterns that could be exploited to reduce the search space of a cryptographic attack on anything you encode using that method to something far, far smaller than what the key size might imply.

Or to put things in leigh terms: if due to the design of the random number generator the number of possible keys is limited, then a brute force attack might only take a couple of minutes rather than longer than the age of the universe.


Plenty of seemingly perfect encryption implementations have been defeated by random number generators that weren't random after all: it's very easy to come up with random-looking numbers, it's far harder to come up with true random numbers that can stand modern methods of cryptographical analysis.


Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:52 | 3713913 spine001
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True. You need to use large numbers math for generating a true random number... not at the dusposal og the non mathemasticuan, that is why the usa makes it illegal to export true encryption algorithms. Itbis equivalent to exporting missiles.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 15:54 | 3715027 Acet
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The comment about the importance of large numbers in encryption and US export restriction is indeed correct when it comes to key size. However, it has nothing to do with random number generation.

If you have a true source of random noise, you can generate as many bits as you want, though being able to generate numbers as big as you want (just keep adding random bits until you're satisfied). In fact, a one-time pad can be looked at as a key which is as large as the message (and is thus a very large number indeed).


Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:58 | 3712696 IMACOINNUT
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Do Chen Ive enjoyed reading your comments a long time,  but man you need to stay away from those airport scanners, your gettin  burned out brain wise.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:01 | 3712706 DoChenRollingBearing
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Ahh, ad hominems...  Often comes down to that: you lower yourself, not me.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:54 | 3712807 IMACOINNUT
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well then specifically, edward has shown what he is made of and questioning his validity at this juncture is akin to throwing in the towel on any truth and deed done by those in his position. his articulate manner of providing info piecemeal is truly hitting those he has targeted in a way that leaves them virtually unable to respond. this is my only contention with what you said.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:05 | 3712834 DoChenRollingBearing
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He may well turn out to be a Great American when it is all said and done.  I just don't know.  Nobody does.  Yet.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:25 | 3712879 IMACOINNUT
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i agree, but if it turns out he has lied and is a foriegn agent, it will have totally crushed my faith in well just about whatever is left of optimism, outside of my family and my precious.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 04:02 | 3713034 zhandax
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will have totally crushed my faith in well just about whatever is left of optimism

I think you just validated DoChen's point; until this is all played out, can any of us say with certainty that this is not the intended result?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 08:27 | 3713350 Republi-Ken
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SNOW-JOB will end up in CUBA!

Yes Snow-job in Commie Red Cuba.



Perfect for SNOW-JOB the Libertarian.


....Then he can get a boat and float 90 miles to Little Havana

and run a computer laptop repair shop out of the back of a spanish speaking 7-11.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 07:17 | 3713168 BigJim
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The US is militarily unassailable... at home, at least, which of course is where the US military belong.

Even if he is a foreign agent, he's done the average non-Elite American a great service. Because the average non-Elite American is under far more threat from his/her 'own' government than from any single or even group of foreign powers. Russia isn't going to throw an American in prison for growing the 'wrong' kind of plant in his backyard; China isn't going to fine an American for going 3 MPH over the Oregon speed limit; Venezuala isn't going to shoot an American's pet because its owner was filming LA's finest.

So Snowden is an American hero in my eyes, even if he is a foreign agent. Because anything that wakes Americans up to the increasingly tyrannical nature of 'their' government can only be a good thing.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 02:49 | 3712979 Pseudolus
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DoChen...youve not expressed yourself very well perhaps (for a change), but its clear to me what you mean. 

I dont think these variegated lines of enquiry are really pertinent or lead anywhere useful. Heres why.

Great American? Try great man...this is global isn't it! I see nothing that puts this in doubt.

On any measure, the action of speaking out against the worlds hegemon is truly courageous - no matter how shadowy or unappealing the "facts", contingent events and intents of all actors turn out to be

Everyone is wise to the qualities of other countries leaders/political systems. Everyone of them will try to make political capital out of ES, and will be more interested in any information ES has than his cause. Between a rock and a hard place, all possible choices will compromise him and undermine that cause, diluting its imopacts in the public eye.

Still - ES is completely right that this is an issue (among others) that all responsible adults with any concern for the future should be bringing to and arguing out on public platforms

I dont think ES is claiming Messianic qualities...lets all do his action justice and deal with the case in point, rather than allow the debate to suffer misdirection


Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:23 | 3713785 Jafo
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Interesting theory DCRB.  Rather than get the target to defect with intelligence material (hard time working out waht to call it as audio-visual goes well beyond documents) they give them a Messiah complex and let them go public with some (or all) of the espionage material which maximises the damage.  Welcome to Espionage 5.0

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 02:39 | 3712965 YuropeanImbecille
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Both Germany and Norway should be written off instantly, those are the two countries I can for certain say, they co-operate to the fullest extent with the US. These norwegian idiots even gave Obama the peace prize after 2 minutes in the office!

I am not sure about the neatherlands, but I would probably write it off as well. Germany needs no introduction, the country has been under direct report to US administrations since the end of ww2 and will continue to be so for a foreseable future.


The rest of the countries I can not say so much about as I really don't know.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 02:55 | 3712983 Pseudolus
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I concur: the EU core have been client states - along with Japan and others - since those events in 1945

Amazing how people have no understanding of real politik and consider history as some kind of schoolyard dust-down: as if its all forgotten and were all just 'friends again' after something like ww2

It shaped the modern world

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 08:50 | 3713415 SamAdams
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The Holy Roman Empire was headquartered in Germany, not the Vatican.  The Hanover line of England's royalty comes from Hanover, Germany.  Anglo-Saxon, is German.  The Rothschilds are German Jews who were personal bankers of the Royal Hess family.  There is a greater disparity between the richest and the rest of the state in Germany than perhaps any other country.

The point is that it hardly gets more NWO (which is really the OWO) than Germany.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:22 | 3712867 Bill Shockley
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If ay of you think that NSA and the CIA are friends, you are high.


There is a civil war going on in spook country plain and simple.


The CIA will win in the has national interest and it's own interest at heart, the NSA is an executive tool and fool. Alays has been.


The CIA runs the executive and has since Kennedy.


As for Putin, he's on the team. The KGBand CIA are in it together.

The rest is a bad movie.


Brad pit could play Putin.


Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:32 | 3712890 DoChenRollingBearing
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Ever work there?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 04:20 | 3713027 New World Chaos
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The CIA has the national interest at heart?  Really?  They whacked Kennedy for being the last real president, and they also gave us the current Manchurian Candidate traitor-in-chief.  Among many other crimes.

As for the NSA:  Oligarchy requires secret crimes to prove sociopathy and bind the sociopaths together in a network of mutual trust.  An organization that has dirt on everyone tends to take on a life of its own.  Look at how Congress bends over backwards for the NSA.  I bet they destroy honest candidates over stupid shit before they can get very far. 

I could see a hidden struggle involving a CIA / Rockefeller / military / oil / fascist / Bush crime family faction vs. a NSA / Rothschild / Zionist / Dominionist / Satanist / Babylonian-bloodline vampire mafia faction, or something like that.  The enemy of our enemy is not necessarily our friend.  The two factions agree that America should be plundered and destroyed to pave the way for the NWO.  They agree that the people should be slaughtered.  Either faction would rather betray us to the other than let us be free.  This is just a squabble over a rancid sheep carcass.  The factions will still cooperate in the hunt.

BTW, Putin isn't one of the good guys either, though I could see him having a genuine desire to stop the Rothschilds.  They destroyed Russia three times in the last 100 years.  They are trying to do it again by starting WWIII. 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:15 | 3712341 Tijuana Donkey Show
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If that was my dog, I'd hunt down and kill all of these fuckers. There is a reason why they only hire people with under 110 IQ's to be cops.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:20 | 3712353 otto skorzeny
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That was a beautiful rottweiler- now the cop can get a boner for a few days again after bustin' some caps.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:58 | 3712471 HardAssets
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That was how the Nazi SS trained their men to prove they were psychopaths - - - at the end of training they were ordered to kill a dog they raised from the time it was a pup. Is that what's coming next ?  (Hmmmm . . . so this is how the Germans came to allow madmen to lead them into WW2 and destroy their nation.)

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:13 | 3712520 otto skorzeny
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that's some total urban legend bullshit. as far as madmen that's your opinion.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:19 | 3712553 ersatzteil
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Is there some training manual or soldiers' diaries that describe this? They used German Shephards to hunt partisans in France, but I don't think they killed the dogs after they sniffed out weapons caches.

Hitler tested a cyanide pill on his dog Blondie a few hours before his death to make sure it was legit, but it wasn't like he raised it from a puppy just to poison it.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:27 | 3712587 otto skorzeny
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no- this is all an utter fabrication and myth.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:39 | 3712636 ersatzteil
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Yea they were on about the Goebbels' Big Lie myth all last week. Besides, that'd be a lot of puppies to buy and raise - at least 18,000 per division if we're talking full strength.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:51 | 3712683 BigDuke6
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Spielberg or that other tool, tarantino probably had a puppy scene in a movie....

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:35 | 3712621 PKF
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Do humans with testacles ever wonder if there is something wrong with them?  Killing their own pets?  WTF? 

Time for Mother Nature to let go on this planet....? 

Rock on, Edward.

No Denmark?  That doesn't seem right.  Tivoli Gardens is so delightful. Why would the Danes deny asylum????? 



Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:39 | 3712902 JohnG
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The last surviving creatures on Earth will be tiny organisms living deep underground, according to scientists.


Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:58 | 3712697 caconhma
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Where did you get this shit about Nazi SS? You are a pathetic liar.

Furthermore, Hitler did not start the WW2. FDR and Stalin did. Hitler was an idiot who made secret deals with British expecting to rule Europe together with them.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:31 | 3712607 Go Tribe
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Did someone get their photos?

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:05 | 3712314 DeadFred
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That's People Republic of California to you, dude!

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:18 | 3712348 babylon15
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As I understand, it's been ruled in many states that filming on-duty police officers with an unconcealed camera is legal.  That's perfectly good and fine, but this doesn't mean they should be filmed 24/7, and I think that behavior does get in the way of legitimate police work.  It looked like the police were just doing their job, on a serious and potentially dangerous call.


The guy filming was an idiot and totally provocative.  That's not the spirit of the First Amendment.  Other people had cameras and their dogs didn't get shot, and they didn't get arrested.  I feel sorry for the dog, wish his owner wasn't an idiot.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:34 | 3712395 SunRise
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Provocative?   A dozen police cars and an armored vehicle is not provocative in your neighborhood?   The guy was just obviously taking pictures - certainly helps to keep things more honest.  Police don't have to like you, but they do have to protect your right to film them or any other public event.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:38 | 3712406 otto skorzeny
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You're going to make a good FEMA camp snitch-bitch some day.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:30 | 3712603 otto skorzeny
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You do know which country controls Wikipedia right - hint- it starts with an I and ends with an L and controls our foreign policy and Congress via AIPAC.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:41 | 3712647 ersatzteil
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Yup, but linking to the Kapo article at the Virtual Holocaust Library brings a bunch of pop ups asking for donations.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:48 | 3712794 otto skorzeny
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thanks-I do get a bunch of "Buy Israel Bonds" popups but  I think that is because I am always doing google searches to find out if people have Jewish lineage.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:34 | 3712614 Go Tribe
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The guy was just giving to the State what the State gives him.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:33 | 3712394 DawgAss
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So unnecessary. The jack boot mother fuckers. The guy was leaving until they had to show him who was boss.

You kill my dog, I kill your family.....FUCKERS.


If that wasn't enough for NSA, try this you FUCKERS:

Someday all our critical infrastructurebridges, ports, fusion centers–will be made in China or Mexico.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:37 | 3712405 QQQBall
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Luckily bullets never continue through the target or get redirected by say a concrete curb. That was really poor judement; might be a "good" shooting, but down the road if this cop shoots a bystander Hawthorne will be writing a big check

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:38 | 3712408 SIOP
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My God.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:45 | 3712660 knukles
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The dude had every right to be filming
The cops began the harassment
A cop hit the guy in cuffs
The dog did not need to be shot



Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:56 | 3712813 deKevelioc
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Morocco doesn't extradite.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:59 | 3712818 deKevelioc
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.  . . so, maybe Obama can go there.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:16 | 3712866 Max Cynical
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Fucking thugs with guns! This video makes me want to throw up...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 02:32 | 3712955 SilverRhino
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They deleted the video citing a violation of terms of service.   Guess someone disapproved.   fucking idiots. 

EDIT:  Now I see why ... someone else copied it. : Original Link 

Hawthorne, Ca Police Kill Dog


Tue, 07/02/2013 - 03:25 | 3713004 Sudden Debt
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To bad youtube deleted it because it was against their policy to show bad stuff about the overloards....

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 07:26 | 3713191 Milton Freewater
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This is theater.   Imagine  being a whistler blower yourself. Wouldn't you allready have an exit plan?  Wouldn't you be liveing in a remote mountain cabin with a new beard, a new name, and an alabi when the fucking video came out.  It's reality spy tv!

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:01 | 3712300 The Shootist
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Whats up with Kim Dotcom in New Zealand? They any good? Admittedly different as it is.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:05 | 3712312 otto skorzeny
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after the way NZ bent over and let the FBI come in and storm Dotcom's compound at the behest of Hollywood's scum? no thanks.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:05 | 3712313 seek
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They're fairly good about civil rights, but the FBI still talked them into the raid.

It's a non-starter for Snowden because a lot of the NSA apparatus is built on the ANZUS security treaty (Australia, New Zealand, US). NZ has been in the thick of electronic intelligence for decades thanks to that.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:19 | 3713499 Punch Bag
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It sucks that Australia doesn't have the balls to give snowden a new home.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:08 | 3712319 prains
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His site is still up under a different name and the telecoms are selling broadband to circumnavigate "geo" blocks, Kiwi's should be on this list if not it will be eventually

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:45 | 3712424 putaipan
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hmmm. no sweden? the only country that has given an american asylum status. i've forgotten his name, and it is a highly redacted/censored case involving his proof of coruption in the judicial system. any help?

and edit- NOT the only american, sorry....cuba has a few. but i still can't find the guy i was thinking of

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 07:26 | 3713190 BigJim
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Yesssss.... ask for asylum from the country that trumped up charges against Assange, demanding that he be extradited there, so he can in turn be deported to the US to answer for his 'crimes' there.

Or did I miss the '</sarc> tag?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 08:26 | 3713344 Republi-Ken
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SNOW-JOB will end up in CUBA!

Yes Snow-job in Commie Red Cuba.



Perfect for SNOW-JOB the Libertarian.


....Then he can get a boat and float 90 miles to Little Havana

and run a computer laptop repair shop out of the back of a spanish speaking 7-11.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:01 | 3712301 Lmo Mutton
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May be it was misspelled in the search.


Try Kaliforia.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:25 | 3712579 Colonel Klink
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It may show up under Commiefornia too.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:02 | 3712304 SheepleLOVEched...
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solution: buy an island, create own nation

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:04 | 3712308 robilla
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What's wrong with Turkmenistan! Seriously, JLo performs there

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:04 | 3712309 franzpick
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Snowden appears headed into the Shah of Iran man-without-a-country syndrome; why he didn't anticipate and prepare accordingly, is beyond me.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:07 | 3712316 seek
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Any single contact he made ahead of time would have compromised him and likely resulted in him being imprisoned. If he'd "prepared" none of this would have ever been seen.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:24 | 3712363 franzpick
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Could a non-electronic, face-to-face, personal contact with one of julian assange's cohorts, with the appropriate resulting international negotiations, have been a possible means of planning a secured asylum?

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:31 | 3712387 seek
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I'm quite sure anyone associated with wikileaks is closely monitored, and by the looks of Snowden's latest releases, so are most embassies.

Snowden knows more about the monitoring than anyone else on the "outside" so I would presume he made very informed choices when he did this.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:01 | 3712480 optimator
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Wickileaks?  The outfit that was going to realease enough on BOA to sink them? 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:16 | 3712539 WillyGroper
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You bet they are. Take a gander at how they dogged Applebaum. TSA seizing laptops, phones etc. He's brilliant. Had a flash drive with either the Bill of Rights or the Constitution on it. 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:04 | 3712310 Sun and Moon
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Are there really any free countries in the world?

I wouldn't consider #'s 4, 5, 13, and 16 ( China, Cuba, Nicaragua, and Russa ) to be free at all. If he is lucky, Switzerland will grant him asylum because they are annoyed by US pressure on their banks.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:18 | 3712337 nobodyimportant
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Don't know but it sure as hell is not the USA

Hopefully this  thing with Snowden will give many other countries the gumption to tell the US to fuck off!

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:18 | 3712349 williambanzai7
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At this point he is looking for a clump of grass to grab hold of. Can you blame him? The kleptocorporatocracy is out bullying the whole world.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:56 | 3712463 disabledvet
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try the Republic of Finlandia first. That's what i did. we'll see how this all shakes out. fear of change usually makes people even more conservative during times like these. the other problem is everyone uses the internet. everyone literally does "do it." there's just no one with the courage to say what the "it" is. so we'll just have to wait and see....

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:21 | 3712747 Jam Akin
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Republic of Finlandia?  Is that like Margaritaville?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 05:16 | 3713072 One of these is...
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MOST OF US are "looking for a clump of grass to get hold of", since almost NONE of us have the right to live anywhere without paying someone else for the "priviledge".

The amount of people who think it is "just" and "normal" that all land is owned by someone else, and that you have to pay them for it, because you were't born in the "right" family is just absurd.

When you have that level of wrong thinking so deeply ingrained in your society (Not mine, I am it's prisoner, not a collaborator) then this is what you pay for.

Speaking as someone with the point of view of an "outsider", I am not sure you are getting good value for your hard earned money.


Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:22 | 3712358 moonstears
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Well, if the Swiss caved on centuries of banking secrecy, to USGov, I'm sure he'd be foolish to go there, if seeking harbor, but, to each his own. JMO. 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 08:06 | 3713212 BigJim
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 Are there really any free countries in the world?

I wouldn't consider #'s 4, 5, 13, and 16 ( China, Cuba, Nicaragua, and Russa ) to be free at all. If he is lucky, Switzerland will grant him asylum because they are annoyed by US pressure on their banks.

pretty much any polity sufficiently productive to make it worth living in will have been captured by a predatory oligarchy of some sort. So, no, there aren't any 'free' countries, as such; and just because they're still relatively free doesn't mean they can't be leaned on by the US, or will be able to stop US agents working on their soil. In fact.. the freer they are, the easier it would be for the US to operate on their soli!

At this stage, if Snowden has any survival instinct, I should think his priority is not the 'freedom' of the country of destination, but whether or not it can offer him protection against the long arm of the US' wet squads. Which means it will have to be an 'enemy' of the US, or, conversely, a country that has a very strong tradition of upholding free speech as part of its oligarchy PR memes. Even so he'd probably just 'contract' one of the more intractable cancers rather than just get disappeared or even gunned down in the street.

Unless he is a foreign agent - which seems unlikely - the man is fucked. And I'm pretty sure he knew that before he went public.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:06 | 3712315 Cabreado
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So then, get Snowden off your "hero" list, thank him for his service, and get back to directing your attention on the forces of Control in your backyard.

After all, we won't all fit in the "truly free" country of Cuba, will we.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:08 | 3712322 Uber Vandal
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Wait a mintue, where is Chile on that list?

You know, the one that "Simon Black / The Most Interesting Man in the World" quite often mentions.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:00 | 3712477 TNTARG
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The Chile's gvt would make him be welcomed by the CIA!

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:08 | 3712325 roonbox
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I'm noy sure why Ireland is on this list, I can tell you for sure as an Irishman that our government will not do anything to piss Obama off..

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:09 | 3712326 q99x2
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May the force be with him.

Probably going to be a lot more US free countries as the movement against tyranny spreads.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:11 | 3712329 0b1knob
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The island republic of St Kitts.   For $25000 the will grant a passport to anybody.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 02:52 | 3712981 SilverRhino
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It's $375,000 now.  

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:13 | 3712336 Atomizer
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I just received my new super duper unhackable NSA password from an envelope that arrived in the post.

password: abc123



Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:33 | 3712354 williambanzai7
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I would strike Poland or CIA Rendycja as they should be known.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:42 | 3712419 otto skorzeny
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Syria used to be a favored CIA rendition site and Assad was always considered a "War on Terror" ally( whatever the fuck that means) until someone got a hard on for him.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:14 | 3712533 lsd
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That's interesting, where can I see more?


Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:23 | 3712361 Totentänzerlied
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Except China, Cuba, and Russia, they're all bought and paid for Team America strategic allies.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:56 | 3712461 TNTARG
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Even Bolivia and Venezuela?

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:25 | 3712364 Confundido
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Iceland. I would go to Iceland and would get me one of those icelandic cuties...

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:27 | 3712376 Atomizer
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Well looky here. All this heavy work to find asylum is easier than booking a Priceline vacation.


Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:30 | 3712378 IMACOINNUT
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Man, I can't get over the dog getting shot video, it will bother me for a while


Edward should stay put in Russia - much less likely he;ll be nabbed there

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:33 | 3712385 Winston Smith 2009
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the Republic of Austria - beautiful country, highly aware of the dangers of fascism

the Plurinational State of Bolivia - nope, bastards killed Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid

the Federative Republic of Brazil - great party country but lots of crime due to poverty

the People’s Republic of China - meh

the Republic of Cuba - meh, too close to Florida

the Republic of Finland - cold, but they kicked the USSR's ass in WWII

the French Republic - meh, on the ropes economically

the Federal Republic of Germany - uber alles? maybe

the Republic of India - smells bad, overpopulated, no hamburgers, steaks, etc.

the Italian Republic - make him an offer he can't refuse, on the ropes economically

the Republic of Ireland - meh, on the ropes economically

the Kingdom of the Netherlands - nice, but cold

the Republic of Nicaragua - too hot and poor

the Kingdom of Norway - nice, but cold

the Republic of Poland - meh

the Russian Federation - the US could easily hire Russian Mafia as hit men

the Kingdom of Spain - great party country but on the ropes economically

the Swiss Confederation - nice

the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela - nope, Christmas in summer is not acceptable

the Republic of Ecuador - too damned hot

the Republic of Iceland - population too damned small and cold

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:46 | 3712665 el Gallinazo
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"the Republic of Ecuador - too damned hot"


If you stay at about 1500-2000 meters, the climate is terrific.  

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:58 | 3712699 BigDuke6
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The world according to chump

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:32 | 3712389 noless
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If only the united states of America was on that list.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:36 | 3712404 buzzsaw99
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One of these days the world will celebrate independence from the usa.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:39 | 3712410 Winston Smith 2009
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Only to be dominated by the next superpower...

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:50 | 3712448 buzzsaw99
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they waged a trillion dollar war to kill bin laden. maybe they'll wage a two trillion dollar war to get snowden. that's some funny shit right there.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:37 | 3712628 Kirk2NCC1701
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Technically, they waged a trillion-dollar war for Burial At Sea.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:42 | 3712652 el Gallinazo
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Yeah, it's a Muslim tradition :-)  If you can't find a sea in the middle of the desert, then bury 'em in a mirage.  God, they have such contempt for our stupidity.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:47 | 3712668 Kirk2NCC1701
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...Burial At Sea. For a body alleged to be OBL's.   'xcept now the S6 guys are coming into ill health.

Now there was a poster boy for the MIC, if there ever was one. /s

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:51 | 3712799 Savyindallas
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wrong  -their stooge CIA asset Bin Laden was dead before the war started. They did kill some schmuck look a like two years ago -a very poor double indeed  -they wouldn't even show us a frontal picture- or any other photo before they dumped his body into the sea. I feel for that poor dumb schmuck whose picture we saw from behind staring at the small back and white TV. He was probably paid about $100 a week and given used porn dicarded by SEC enforcement employees.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:49 | 3712914 Harbanger
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The difference between obama and osama is bs.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:07 | 3712500 otto skorzeny
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the years between superpowers dominating must be nice.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:14 | 3712532 W74
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What's preventing a balancing act between a handful of Great Powers who in turn have to maintain a ballance between themselves and slightly more numerous Regional Powers?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:37 | 3712898 sethstorm
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I believe you're looking for the United Nations, which has largely become a First-World hostile group that treats human rights like a farce.


Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:45 | 3712792 Savyindallas
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How about independence for those of us imprisoned in Amerika? When the rest of the world gets their freedom, please don't forget about us Patriots here.  

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:57 | 3712924 Harbanger
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There's always hope they won't forget you.  Please don't use the word us and patriots in the same sentence.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:33 | 3712893 sethstorm
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One of these days the world will celebrate independence from the usa.

Which will unfortunately be preceded by a gift of a pre-primed nuclear weapon, from the United States.  

That aside, the world isn't going to be separated from the United States anytime soon - don't hold your breath waiting for that moment.


Tue, 07/02/2013 - 02:47 | 3712977 darteaus
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Like they celebrate in Cuba!

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:16 | 3713484 bunnyswanson
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The potential of what America could have become was altered by a banking cartel determined to gain control of the money supply after the loss of a war.




The true spirit of America was the freedom to be whoever you are.  Money flowed into Main Street.  There were customers thanks to industry.  Blue collar workers were teh back bone of the USA.

The media is owned by 6 of the largest corporations.  All together.  They own the TOWN CRIER

Tell me many times do you have to be told there has been a quiet coup in America?  40?  400?  what will it take for you to understand america is under seige by globalists with an agenda to monopolize major industries?

14 trillion times?  Push & Pull (Nikki  Costa)

This attempt to "Own Our On Planet" is a fairytale by rich men who have never walked among common man.

It will end in their death and the ruin of civilization for decades to coe.

America was a place to escape to when running for your life.  Without that escape route, subserviance will be more willing.  DO YOU UNDERSTAND?  IF AMERICA FALLS, WE ALL FALL? 


Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:38 | 3712407 tony bonn
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the usa is a terrorist nazi state. drone, spy, murder.

snowden is the last american hero.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:44 | 3712785 Savyindallas
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Wrong  -we have a few heroes -and many more waiting to emerge.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:47 | 3712412 Wakanda
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Hey Edward, sneak home and make a stand with us nutjobs in the USSA. You'll be in good company and we will joyously laugh our way to an early grave.  : - >

Live Free or Die FiSHeS

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:09 | 3712848 CoolBeans
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I live in a "redneck" town, in a "redneck" county and while I don't exactly fit in - it is a good ol' American place.  Anti-Americans and evil-doers?  'Round here would be taken for a long walk in the woods.  Now, if we can just get the State to break away...

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:43 | 3712426 At120
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A third of those countries have extradition treaties with the US.  Doesn't make sense.



Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:45 | 3712427 ToNYC
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If France wasn't as broke as Louis Seize and Marie Antoinette, they'd grow a pair and speak up land of some free and home of Polanski.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:00 | 3712466 shutdown
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Stick with Russia.

It's the only nation on the list that will NEVER become friendly with the USA. Unlike the others, no matter who is running things in that vast land, Russia will not change their minds about protecting him.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:42 | 3712783 Savyindallas
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It's probably the only country we cannot successfully invade  -Hitler and Napolean learned that the hard way.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:29 | 3712885 sethstorm
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With sufficiently powerful weaponry, even Russia can be conquered - even if one accounts for MAD.  Why else would there be a push to disarm the US(hint: it's not for the benefit of the peaceniks)?

That aside, one could also make it quite painful for them to operate outside their own country, as evidenced by the Cold War. 


Tue, 07/02/2013 - 02:46 | 3712974 darteaus
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Today's Russia news update:


1)  Russian "security personnel" may enter the US to enforce security.

2)  Putin announces that Snowden can't stay in Russia if he does things that hurt the US.

Coincidence - of course Comrade!

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:59 | 3712472 andrewp111
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There is one country conspicuous by its absence - Iran.  IMHO, that is the ONLY country that will give Snowy asylum.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:59 | 3712474 world_debt_slave
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Time to petition outside the solar system.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:04 | 3712495 orangegeek
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Austria is beautiful and has some of the finest skiing in the world.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:50 | 3712676 ersatzteil
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Taxes are as high as any, but you actually see where your money is spent - keeping the country clean and renovating ancient buildings that end up looking half as young as they are. 

And they have oil.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:18 | 3712526 Divine Wind
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They can have Snowden stateside before the holiday is over.

Simply offer a reward hefty reward:

$5 Million in assorted 1 Oz Gold coins and bars (along with some trade gold to round up)


$5 Million in BitCoin credits


$5 Million in your fiat currency of choice


Waiting for him to appear on Rewards for JustUs


Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:37 | 3712629 el Gallinazo
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Your idea didn't work so well with OBL.  I think it was also $5 Mil.  Of course he died just about the time they offered the reward - end of 2001, but it was dead or alive.  Must have hid his body real well in some cave in Tora Bora or Arlington.  Even virtually alive, he still had a lot of juice to scare the USSA sheeple.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 07:19 | 3713172 Divine Wind
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It's a regional thing.

Given the country within which he was hiding, I kept suggesting they give away goats instead, but no one listened.

I think this gold or BitCoin offering has potential.


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