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The 21 Nations That Edward Snowden Is Applying To For Asylum

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Are these the only truly free countries left in the world - those that are not joined at the hip with the United States and ready and willing to do Obama's bidding at the drop of a hat? The NSA's most infamous whistleblower certainly thinks so.

Via WikiLeaks,

  1. the Republic of Austria,
  2. the Plurinational State of Bolivia,
  3. the Federative Republic of Brazil, 
  4. the People’s Republic of China,
  5. the Republic of Cuba, 
  6. the Republic of Finland, 
  7. the French Republic,
  8. the Federal Republic of Germany,
  9. the Republic of India,
  10. the Italian Republic,
  11. the Republic of Ireland,
  12. the Kingdom of the Netherlands,
  13. the Republic of Nicaragua,
  14. the Kingdom of Norway,
  15. the Republic of Poland,
  16. the Russian Federation,
  17. the Kingdom of Spain,
  18. the Swiss Confederation,
  19. the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela,
  20. the Republic of Ecuador and
  21. the Republic of Iceland
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Mon, 07/01/2013 - 21:58 | 3712290 Zer0head
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Hmm The California Republic ain't on the list

so much for California Dreaming..

snuff

watch this dog get shot dead as its owner is arrested for video taping California's finest in this just uploaded youtube video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0isxv2jnIo

 

(guess they missed the second videographer)

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:03 | 3712302 otto skorzeny
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Don't film the donut huffers on a public street while they stand around fucking off- it's not like we're footing the bill for their fat salaries and pensions or anything.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:57 | 3712340 DoChenRollingBearing
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Jaime Baily (on La Mega -- a TV network in Spanish) is talking Smowden now...  He ain't buying Snowden's BS, nor for the moment, am I.

 

EDIT:

Jaime BAYLY, he's a Peruvian here in the USA.  Takes no shit from Communists.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:08 | 3712494 DoChenRollingBearing
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There's a lot going on with the Snowden case that just does not add up.  Ecuador has a powerful CIA presence, and Correa knows it.

Junkers!  I shoot down your little red arrows with my AK!  Fire away, I take each one down!

***

EDIT:

Where he winds up may tell us a lot.  And you can be sure that China & Russia made back-up copies of those laptops and flash drives.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:40 | 3712639 Captain Planet
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Could it also be possible, that ES knew this, and wanted to get the US running around telling Ecuador what not to do, thus angering more countries, making asylum in a decent place (Iceland, Germany, France) possible? Whether he intended so or not, his actions have thoroughly embarrassed Obummer at every turn of this saga, and my feeling now, is that at least 1 of the 21 will grant him asylum, if not a dozen. The recent outrage in Europe over data collection is plenty to keep ES safe. 

DoChen, I usually find your comments insightful, but I must disagree on your outlook regarding this event. 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:24 | 3712661 DoChenRollingBearing
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Sure, anything is possible.  I just think that everyone is annointing St. Edward (LOL!) a little early.  This is ALL very murky, perhaps by design.

This is Fight Club, so I have no hard feelings over any disagreements.  I just think there is a real possibility that many ZH-ers may wind up wrong if Snowden starts passing along stuff to Russia and China (like, indvertently or not) that damages "sources and methods of intelligence", if you catch my drift...

Many of you guys are acting like you knew nothing of NSA's extensive surveillance apparatus.  Zero Hedge's article of a year or so ago about the Utah Data Center should have alerted you all that almost everything is being listened to.

Hey, I just came back from Canada yesterday, and I am on every List!  No one hassled me at the (US) airport...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 06:46 | 3713120 Poor Grogman
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How do you know you are on ANY list??

Maybe your actual danger to the status quo is not that great?

Just a thought...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 07:49 | 3713232 ExpendableOne
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St. Snowden...  I'm just not sure about this.  Could it be as simple as sending him out with 4 notebooks full of "interesting stuff"?  Perhaps something wonderful happens when you plug those notebooks into a network?  And, just who should be surprised that the NSA spies on other countries or inhales all the digital "stuff" they can lay hands on?  Who is hurt and who benfits.  Anyone who has been reading the news before St. Snowden has heard of the massive data centers the NSA is building.  What did they think these things were going to do when complete?  

 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 08:57 | 3713433 johnQpublic
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Falcon and the Snowman

 

perhaps there are parallels with snowden and this old movie

in terms of the intel data quality that is

information, misinformation, disinformation

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:03 | 3713456 bunnyswanson
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I am scheduled to  renewing a US permanent visa next year (every 10 yrs after 40 years).  A1.  do you think i should start packing having been a vocal opponent to the scam called globalization?

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:51 | 3712681 Bringin It
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Do Chen - Don't take this the wrong way.  We all have our flaws, but you seem to have trouble identifying character.

Remember when you were promoting Newt Gingrich???  Was that sensible?  In hindsight?

 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:27 | 3712691 DoChenRollingBearing
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I was for Ron Paul for President.  If he would have won the nomination, I suggested he pick Gingrich as his VP nominee (to go for the win and to get things done).  In retrospect, well, maybe that would not have been a good pick.  But, Ron Paul never got the chance...

EDIT:

Ahh, character...

Putin?  Maduro?  Correa?  Ortega?  Evo Morales?  Whoever it is that runs China?

Those guys make Obama look like the piker he is...

Another edit:

I am reading a book called The Man Without a Face: the Unlikely rise of Vladimir Putin (Masha Gessen, 2012).  Anyone thinking that Putin, a true thug, is doing something that makes you (or me) any better off is completely wrong.  Read the book!  Putin is bad!

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:09 | 3712826 DoChenRollingBearing
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Apparently my real sentiments are not getting through.  Here are a couple of examples from my recent blog post (http://tinyurl.com/okk7dtv) about dicking with the NSA...

1)  A PGP Public Key (not mine, I just saw this somewhere, but the format is apparenlty correct):

-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.i mQCNAi+UeBsAAAEEAMP0kXU75GQdzwwlMiwZBUKFUDRgR4wH9y5NP9JaZfVX8shT ESbCTbGSEExB2ktEPh5//dkfftsKNlzlAugKFKTgBv20tQ9lDKfdbPVR0HmTLz0e wVIeqEue4+Mt/Kq7kMcQy+5sX2RBAiZTYl0n/JdY/WxflU0taq1kH/UUPkklAAUR tB5NYXJ0eSBNY0ZseSA8bWFydHlAZnV0dXJlLmNvbT6JAJUCBRAvlHhGrWQf9RQ+ SSUBAQX+BACnhx7OTb1SfAcJVF/1kuRPUWuGcl57eZgv4syc1O9T3YNr0terWQBT K0vFR00FdaBv9X9XwlxaBJHGeiBcmhaiOTwB912ysoteUzZHne3sHPw3MkYboAFx xHg43Cnj60OeZG2PKp/kU91ipOJP1cs8/xYOGkeoAMqDfwPeFlkBiA== =ddBN -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
***2) We saw last night Manipuflation's list of words, here's a few:plutonium, William Gates, clone, BATF, SGDN, Nike, WWSV, Atlas, 
IWWSVCS, Delta, TWA, Kiwi, PGP 2.6.2., PGP 5.0i, PGP 5.1, siliconpimp, 
SASSTIXS, IWG, Lynch, 414, Face, Pixar, IRIDF, NSRB, eternity server, 
Skytel, Yukon, Templeton, Johohonbu, LUK, Cohiba, Soros, Standford, 
niche, ISEP, ISEC, 51, H&K, USP, ^, sardine, bank, EUB, USP, PCS, 
NRO, Red Cell, NSOF, Glock 26, snuffle, Patel, package, ISI, INR, INS, 
IRS, GRU, RUOP, GSS, NSP, SRI, Ronco, Armani, BOSS, Chobetsu, FBIS, BND, SISDE, FSB, BfV, IB, froglegs, JITEM, SADF, advise, TUSA, LITE, PKK,  HoHoCon, SISMI, ISG, FIS, MSW, Spyderco, UOP, SSCI, NIMA, HAMASMOIS,  SVR, SIN, advisors, SAP, Monica, OAU, PFS, Aladdin, AG, chameleon man,  Hutsul, CESID, Bess, rail gun, .375, Peering, CSC, Tangimoana Beach,  Commecen, Vanuatu, Kwajalein, LHI, DRM, GSGI, DST, MITI, JERTO, SDF,  Koancho, Blenheim, Rivera, Kyudanki, varon, 310, 17, 312, NB, CBM, CTP,  Sardine, SBIRS, jaws, SGDN, ADIU, DEADBEEF, IDP, IDF, Halibut, SONANGOL, Flu, &, Loin, PGP 5.53, meta, Faber, SFPD, EG&G, ISEP,  blackjack, Fox, Aum, AIEWS, AMW, RHL, Baranyi, WORM

***3) A cool way to generate five digit random numbers (the way many secrets were encrypted in the past) with MS Excel, these will LOOK LIKE secret messages, but are really just gibberish...=INT(RAND()*(99999-0))
Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:26 | 3712856 DoChenRollingBearing
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Please excuse bad formatting above, I could not get these examples into my comment in a cleaner way.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:33 | 3712894 JohnG
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WTF is this???  Random words now?

I like Mark FABER anyway.....

(and you can't generate anything "random" with just a computer...the computer needs other random input to make it.

Are you off your meds or just drunk; you usually make some sense.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 02:31 | 3712957 DoChenRollingBearing
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Ahh, yet more ad hominems, do note that you drag yourself down (rather than me) when you spread them around.  You can, with a little ingenuity, generate "random enough" stuff with your computer and Excel...

The list of "bad words" were provided my a like-minded thinker who (I guess) laces some of his emails with them to annoy the NSA.

***

Drunk?  No, I gave alcohol up some nine months ago.  Any insanity I now have is strictly my own.  Can you say the same?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 05:08 | 3713069 Acet
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Really, that Random stuff is not really random - it's just a pseudo-random number generator (it looks random but does in fact have a pattern). There's a SEED command somewhere that explicitly initializes that pseudo-random generator. Set the same seed and next runs of RANDOM will get you the same "random" numbers out.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if there's an algorithm that can detect that a list of bytes come from a pseudo-random generator.

That's why somebody the other day was talking about using atomic decay (Cesium 137 I believe) as a source random numbers: if you want true randomness you want to get down to the quantum levels of nature.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 07:08 | 3713144 BigJim
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It doesn't need to be truly random to be unpredictable.

Human beings aren't truly random but if you were to use the time they enter input as part of the seed, then it is to all intents and purposes random.

Whether DoChen's recommended site (the one that generates keywords of interest to the NSA) uses this, or is just another Big Brother-monitored honey trap, is another matter.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 05:06 | 3715055 Acet
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Measuring the times of user input (key-presses and mouse movement) and only using the lowest bit is actually used to generate random keys for cryptography (for example in PGP).(*)

However that method is not really practical for generating one-time pads since the key is as long as the message so one would need to be typing gibberish or wiggling you mouse for many hours to encode a one-page-long message.

(*)That said, if you're trully paranoid, you might want to consider that the hardware on the keyboard or mouse or your OS itself might have been purposefully designed so that the values it passes out are not the real ones and thus not really random.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:19 | 3713501 FrankDrakman
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The following formula calculates a random number between 0 and 1 that does not follow any pattern:

=(NOW()*100000 - INT(NOW()*100000)) Now() uses the internal system clock, which changes very rapidly, so the second NOW() function generates a different number than the first. To generate random numbers over a greater span, simply change the multiplier in the second part, eg. instead of 100,000, using 10,000 in the secondNOW will give you random numbers between 1 and 99, using 1,000 gives you random numbers between 1 and 1,000, etc. Here endeth the lesson.
Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:35 | 3713559 Acet
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Just of the top of my mind, I would say that the values are correlated with the speed of the CPU. In simple terms, the time it takes between two calls to NOW depends on CPU speed. Also quite likelly the Scheduler at the core of the Windows Kernel would constraint the points in time when NOW is called to a far smaller set of time points than the full available mathematical space.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if there aren't other patterns that could be exploited to reduce the search space of a cryptographic attack on anything you encode using that method to something far, far smaller than what the key size might imply.

Or to put things in leigh terms: if due to the design of the random number generator the number of possible keys is limited, then a brute force attack might only take a couple of minutes rather than longer than the age of the universe.

 

Plenty of seemingly perfect encryption implementations have been defeated by random number generators that weren't random after all: it's very easy to come up with random-looking numbers, it's far harder to come up with true random numbers that can stand modern methods of cryptographical analysis.

 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:52 | 3713913 spine001
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True. You need to use large numbers math for generating a true random number... not at the dusposal og the non mathemasticuan, that is why the usa makes it illegal to export true encryption algorithms. Itbis equivalent to exporting missiles.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 15:54 | 3715027 Acet
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The comment about the importance of large numbers in encryption and US export restriction is indeed correct when it comes to key size. However, it has nothing to do with random number generation.

If you have a true source of random noise, you can generate as many bits as you want, though being able to generate numbers as big as you want (just keep adding random bits until you're satisfied). In fact, a one-time pad can be looked at as a key which is as large as the message (and is thus a very large number indeed).

 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:58 | 3712696 IMACOINNUT
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Do Chen Ive enjoyed reading your comments a long time,  but man you need to stay away from those airport scanners, your gettin  burned out brain wise.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:01 | 3712706 DoChenRollingBearing
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Ahh, ad hominems...  Often comes down to that: you lower yourself, not me.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:54 | 3712807 IMACOINNUT
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well then specifically, edward has shown what he is made of and questioning his validity at this juncture is akin to throwing in the towel on any truth and deed done by those in his position. his articulate manner of providing info piecemeal is truly hitting those he has targeted in a way that leaves them virtually unable to respond. this is my only contention with what you said.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:05 | 3712834 DoChenRollingBearing
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He may well turn out to be a Great American when it is all said and done.  I just don't know.  Nobody does.  Yet.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:25 | 3712879 IMACOINNUT
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i agree, but if it turns out he has lied and is a foriegn agent, it will have totally crushed my faith in well just about whatever is left of optimism, outside of my family and my precious.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 04:02 | 3713034 zhandax
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will have totally crushed my faith in well just about whatever is left of optimism

I think you just validated DoChen's point; until this is all played out, can any of us say with certainty that this is not the intended result?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 08:27 | 3713350 Republi-Ken
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SNOW-JOB will end up in CUBA!

Yes Snow-job in Commie Red Cuba.

SOCIALISM AND FREE MEDICAL CARE!

FREE OBAMACARE IN CUBA FOR SNOW-JOB!

Perfect for SNOW-JOB the Libertarian.

 

....Then he can get a boat and float 90 miles to Little Havana

and run a computer laptop repair shop out of the back of a spanish speaking 7-11.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 07:17 | 3713168 BigJim
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The US is militarily unassailable... at home, at least, which of course is where the US military belong.

Even if he is a foreign agent, he's done the average non-Elite American a great service. Because the average non-Elite American is under far more threat from his/her 'own' government than from any single or even group of foreign powers. Russia isn't going to throw an American in prison for growing the 'wrong' kind of plant in his backyard; China isn't going to fine an American for going 3 MPH over the Oregon speed limit; Venezuala isn't going to shoot an American's pet because its owner was filming LA's finest.

So Snowden is an American hero in my eyes, even if he is a foreign agent. Because anything that wakes Americans up to the increasingly tyrannical nature of 'their' government can only be a good thing.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 02:49 | 3712979 Pseudolus
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DoChen...youve not expressed yourself very well perhaps (for a change), but its clear to me what you mean. 

I dont think these variegated lines of enquiry are really pertinent or lead anywhere useful. Heres why.

Great American? Try great man...this is global isn't it! I see nothing that puts this in doubt.

On any measure, the action of speaking out against the worlds hegemon is truly courageous - no matter how shadowy or unappealing the "facts", contingent events and intents of all actors turn out to be

Everyone is wise to the qualities of other countries leaders/political systems. Everyone of them will try to make political capital out of ES, and will be more interested in any information ES has than his cause. Between a rock and a hard place, all possible choices will compromise him and undermine that cause, diluting its imopacts in the public eye.

Still - ES is completely right that this is an issue (among others) that all responsible adults with any concern for the future should be bringing to and arguing out on public platforms

I dont think ES is claiming Messianic qualities...lets all do his action justice and deal with the case in point, rather than allow the debate to suffer misdirection

best

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:23 | 3713785 Jafo
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Interesting theory DCRB.  Rather than get the target to defect with intelligence material (hard time working out waht to call it as audio-visual goes well beyond documents) they give them a Messiah complex and let them go public with some (or all) of the espionage material which maximises the damage.  Welcome to Espionage 5.0

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 02:39 | 3712965 YuropeanImbecille
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Both Germany and Norway should be written off instantly, those are the two countries I can for certain say, they co-operate to the fullest extent with the US. These norwegian idiots even gave Obama the peace prize after 2 minutes in the office!

I am not sure about the neatherlands, but I would probably write it off as well. Germany needs no introduction, the country has been under direct report to US administrations since the end of ww2 and will continue to be so for a foreseable future.

 

The rest of the countries I can not say so much about as I really don't know.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 02:55 | 3712983 Pseudolus
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I concur: the EU core have been client states - along with Japan and others - since those events in 1945

Amazing how people have no understanding of real politik and consider history as some kind of schoolyard dust-down: as if its all forgotten and were all just 'friends again' after something like ww2

It shaped the modern world

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 08:50 | 3713415 SamAdams
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The Holy Roman Empire was headquartered in Germany, not the Vatican.  The Hanover line of England's royalty comes from Hanover, Germany.  Anglo-Saxon, is German.  The Rothschilds are German Jews who were personal bankers of the Royal Hess family.  There is a greater disparity between the richest and the rest of the state in Germany than perhaps any other country.

The point is that it hardly gets more NWO (which is really the OWO) than Germany.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:22 | 3712867 Bill Shockley
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If ay of you think that NSA and the CIA are friends, you are high.

 

There is a civil war going on in spook country plain and simple.

 

The CIA will win in the end...it has national interest and it's own interest at heart, the NSA is an executive tool and fool. Alays has been.

 

The CIA runs the executive and has since Kennedy.

 

As for Putin, he's on the team. The KGBand CIA are in it together.

The rest is a bad movie.

 

Brad pit could play Putin.

   bill

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:32 | 3712890 DoChenRollingBearing
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Ever work there?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 04:20 | 3713027 New World Chaos
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The CIA has the national interest at heart?  Really?  They whacked Kennedy for being the last real president, and they also gave us the current Manchurian Candidate traitor-in-chief.  Among many other crimes.

As for the NSA:  Oligarchy requires secret crimes to prove sociopathy and bind the sociopaths together in a network of mutual trust.  An organization that has dirt on everyone tends to take on a life of its own.  Look at how Congress bends over backwards for the NSA.  I bet they destroy honest candidates over stupid shit before they can get very far. 

I could see a hidden struggle involving a CIA / Rockefeller / military / oil / fascist / Bush crime family faction vs. a NSA / Rothschild / Zionist / Dominionist / Satanist / Babylonian-bloodline vampire mafia faction, or something like that.  The enemy of our enemy is not necessarily our friend.  The two factions agree that America should be plundered and destroyed to pave the way for the NWO.  They agree that the people should be slaughtered.  Either faction would rather betray us to the other than let us be free.  This is just a squabble over a rancid sheep carcass.  The factions will still cooperate in the hunt.

BTW, Putin isn't one of the good guys either, though I could see him having a genuine desire to stop the Rothschilds.  They destroyed Russia three times in the last 100 years.  They are trying to do it again by starting WWIII. 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:15 | 3712341 Tijuana Donkey Show
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If that was my dog, I'd hunt down and kill all of these fuckers. There is a reason why they only hire people with under 110 IQ's to be cops.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:20 | 3712353 otto skorzeny
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That was a beautiful rottweiler- now the cop can get a boner for a few days again after bustin' some caps.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 22:58 | 3712471 HardAssets
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That was how the Nazi SS trained their men to prove they were psychopaths - - - at the end of training they were ordered to kill a dog they raised from the time it was a pup. Is that what's coming next ?  (Hmmmm . . . so this is how the Germans came to allow madmen to lead them into WW2 and destroy their nation.)

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:13 | 3712520 otto skorzeny
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that's some total urban legend bullshit. as far as madmen that's your opinion.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:19 | 3712553 ersatzteil
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Is there some training manual or soldiers' diaries that describe this? They used German Shephards to hunt partisans in France, but I don't think they killed the dogs after they sniffed out weapons caches.

Hitler tested a cyanide pill on his dog Blondie a few hours before his death to make sure it was legit, but it wasn't like he raised it from a puppy just to poison it.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:27 | 3712587 otto skorzeny
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no- this is all an utter fabrication and myth.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:39 | 3712636 ersatzteil
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Yea they were on about the Goebbels' Big Lie myth all last week. Besides, that'd be a lot of puppies to buy and raise - at least 18,000 per division if we're talking full strength.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:51 | 3712683 BigDuke6
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Spielberg or that other tool, tarantino probably had a puppy scene in a movie....

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:35 | 3712621 PKF
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Do humans with testacles ever wonder if there is something wrong with them?  Killing their own pets?  WTF? 

Time for Mother Nature to let go on this planet....? 

Rock on, Edward.

No Denmark?  That doesn't seem right.  Tivoli Gardens is so delightful. Why would the Danes deny asylum????? 

 

 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:39 | 3712902 JohnG
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The last surviving creatures on Earth will be tiny organisms living deep underground, according to scientists.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23135934

 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:58 | 3712697 caconhma
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Where did you get this shit about Nazi SS? You are a pathetic liar.

Furthermore, Hitler did not start the WW2. FDR and Stalin did. Hitler was an idiot who made secret deals with British expecting to rule Europe together with them.

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