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Edward Snowden Issues Statement From Moscow, Slams Obama
Via Wikileaks:
Statement from Edward Snowden in Moscow
One week ago I left Hong Kong after it became clear that my freedom and safety were under threat for revealing the truth. My continued liberty has been owed to the efforts of friends new and old, family, and others who I have never met and probably never will. I trusted them with my life and they returned that trust with a faith in me for which I will always be thankful.
On Thursday, President Obama declared before the world that he would not permit any diplomatic "wheeling and dealing" over my case. Yet now it is being reported that after promising not to do so, the President ordered his Vice President to pressure the leaders of nations from which I have requested protection to deny my asylum petitions.
This kind of deception from a world leader is not justice, and neither is the extralegal penalty of exile. These are the old, bad tools of political aggression. Their purpose is to frighten, not me, but those who would come after me.
For decades the United States of America have been one of the strongest defenders of the human right to seek asylum. Sadly, this right, laid out and voted for by the U.S. in Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, is now being rejected by the current government of my country. The Obama administration has now adopted the strategy of using citizenship as a weapon. Although I am convicted of nothing, it has unilaterally revoked my passport, leaving me a stateless person. Without any judicial order, the administration now seeks to stop me exercising a basic right. A right that belongs to everybody. The right to seek asylum.
In the end the Obama administration is not afraid of whistleblowers like me, Bradley Manning or Thomas Drake. We are stateless, imprisoned, or powerless. No, the Obama administration is afraid of you. It is afraid of an informed, angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised — and it should be.
I am unbowed in my convictions and impressed at the efforts taken by so many.
Edward Joseph Snowden
Monday 1st July 2013
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+1 But NO Brother. It's the local level that you need to focus on unless you are a Congressman or Senator. I am going to attempt to lead here but who knows what will happen. I might get shut down. It's the fact that I am going to pursue the issue that matters. A great deal of ZH'ers can do the same and if we all do it, some of us will get through. That is the only peacable option we have at this point. We MUST get through to them. They have to hear us again.
And I know there is a price to pay for doing it.
In Minnesota, there are plenty politicos who know who I am.:-) All I really want for the locally "elected" statists to say to themselves is this: "Oh for Fuck Sakes, here comes that asshole again." I'm not sure I have earned that ability yet but I will keep the car running. Politics is dirty? LMFAO!!!
shovelhead by name and nature, only caring about his own yard, and taking the piss out of anyone who thinks and acts for something greater.
Dear Manipuflation,
Cynics and apparatchiks will despise you. They are useless. Good people will quietly get on with doing the right things for the right reasons at local level. Same as it ever was in this USA, albeit that we are now betrayed by DC and its globalists, its apparatchiks, its freak 'Internationalists' of ye olde Englande and EUSSR. The blood sucking game rigging inbred royalists like their jackboot.
F'em.
newengland, I love you like a brother but do not underestimate me. I know who and what I am up against. I will not be alone. I am pissed off but good this time and perhaps more than ever. I am kicking myself in the ass to get going. Some folks call that self-motivation I guess. If you do not think that I can parlay the whole baseball thing into something, right before the 4th of July, then you should spend some time reading my posts over the years. I don't care which site. It does not matter.
This is an off election year on the federal level, they are not going to see what I am up to because "voters" do not care in off election years. I have put my time in by now. We shall see what happens. As I mentioned, I am from the Ron Paul camp. I have many political enemies within the MNGOP by proxy. There are two places that those enemies do not want to go with me. I can speak fairly well publicly but in reality I can quickly eviscerate them with writing.
Do you want to take a guess where I intend to hit them first?
Dear Manipuflation,
I never underestimate you, and would not dare to second guess your first strike. It will be good, no doubt :-)
I will do my best my friend. We shall see what happens.
Is it a bird, is it a plane, no its "Super Snowden" with balls of steel. So far Snowden hasn't revealed anything Maxine Waters didn't tell us. Still anxiously awaiting the good stuff. If he has any good evidence about Benghazi, now would be a good time to speak up. Benghazi can bring the whole damn thing down. Stay safe Snowden & "We" are all ears!
Who listens to Maxine Waters? The I'm all about socializing,, um I mean nationalizing the banks.
That woman? I think I just puked up my dinner on that.
Asswipe is affraid to speak. It can only press down arrows.
Don't be sad
bad tards bad
Isn't it past your bedtime
I am Edward Snowden.
Now that would be funny as all hell
Did anyone else pick up on this?...
the United States of America have been
As in plural. States United. Not singular.
That's not a grammatical mistake. That's a statement of the US. Time for one of the states in the US to give him asylum in his own country.
Yeah, DUH, HUFFPO picked it up, from Twitter. Way before YOU posted.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/01/edward-snowden-wikileaks-statem...
Personally, I prefer to focus on the message, not the syntax. Another diversion, imo.
Big Obama Brother!
THIS is what tyranny looks like!
I see the Tylers have put that big rack ChineseWomenDate.com chick banner ad on heavy rotation for me. But what made you so darned sure I'd go for that; are you tracking me? With cookies and shit?
They know what you like.
They get the info on you from the NSA.
Idealism: the cherishing or pursuit of high or noble principles, purposes, or goals.
It appears not everyone agrees what may be idealistic. One man's idealism is another man's pariah. We see this happening on a daily basis and the recent events concerning Edward Snowden highlights the extreme differences of opinion.
When you take the genetic factor out, many of us are a product of our environment. High or noble principles are different for people.
Yet....
I think that Snowden was inspired by idealism. He noted the vagrant violations of the government in respect to the constitution and bill of rights. The government has made every effort to discredit Snowden and made him a stateless person without benefit of a fair trial in front of a jury of his peers.
Whether Snowden is guilty or innocent of a crime does not make it right for the government doing what it is doing now in an effort stop the leaks nor does it make what the government has done to the people of the land in respect to invasion of privacy right.
The propaganda machine is in full force.
Does it pay for anyone to pursue ideals or stand by them anymore?
When surrounded and led by jackals, one tends to be a jackal. There aren't enough Snowdens in this world, men who are prepared to suffer and die to stand for what they believe in.
O'bomba sacked four high ranking generals after the Benghazi incident. They defied his order to stand down. They tried to rescue the U.S. Ambassador and the Navy Seals who tried to save him.
O'bomba's Administration's FEMA last week agreed to let foreign soldiers on U.S. soil. Another violation of the Constitution.
I don't know who 'runs' Snowden. But I do know that the military are not as dumb as career politcians, bureaucrats and their fans imagine them to be.
Putin has seen these plays before, and knows how the story ends.
O'bomba and Joker Biden are freaks...like the Bush and Cliton freaks.
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not that i doubt this, but do you have a link proving this claim?
From 'Dewey Cheatham Howe' on ZH:
What ties Snowden to Benghazi potentially and in turn the NSA.
Read on and yes I am going to post the full article even though some people think it is intellectually dishonest to censor someone else's writings and questions asked are valid considering the information we do know publicly so far. But the opposition doesn't like hard questions or any competition.
http://www.ijreview.com/2013/06/62053-president-obamas-purge-military-of...
High-ranking officers in the United States military are being replaced by the Obama administration and for a number of dubious reasons. The latest is General John Allen, who was embroiled in the Petraeus affair.
The following are the military officers who resigned under or were removed by President Obama:
General David Petraeus is perhaps the most visible military officer removed under President Obama. As Tim Brown of the D.C Clothesline summarized well: “Back in November General David Petraeus resigned as head of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), claiming that he was in an adulterous affair, which was discovered by the Federal government snooping through his and his mistress’ emails. This came on the heels of Benghazi being blamed on a YouTube video.”
The timing of the removal of one of the nation’s most honored military minds, on the heels of the Benghazi scandal, is what makes this a most unusual case. Petraeus effectively disappeared from the national scene overnight.
The latest to resign under President Obama is General John Allen. On Tuesday, the president accepted General Allen’s resignation, and ostensibly over Allen’s sexual involvement with Jill Kelly. The Pentagon, however, did not allege misconduct charges against General Allen for an exchange of explicit pictures with Jill Kelly. Allen said his resignation was to “address health issues within his family.”
General Stanley McChrystal resigned in June 2010 after a Rolling Stone article written by mysteriously “disappeared” journalist Michael Hastings caused a controversy. McChrystal had batted down Joe Biden’s “counter-terrorism strategy,” saying it would lead to “Chaos-istan,” which landed McChrystal in hot water with the higher-ups.
On June 17, 2013 Hastings blasted an email “FBI Investigation, re: NSA,” which said that he was onto a “big story” and he needed to “go off the radar for a bit.” He also advised Buzzfeed to retain legal counsel. Less than sixteen hours later, Hastings died in an early morning car crash at a high-rate of speed. (These are the facts and people can make of them what they will.)
As Investor’s Business Daily wrote: “Gen. David McKiernan, the four-star who lead U.S. ground forces during the successful lightning Iraq invasion. He was asked to resign command of allied forces in Afghanistan just four months into Obama’s presidency in 2009. Never fully explained, but the implication was administration dissatisfaction with the war’s progress.”
General Carter Ham was removed from his position as the top general at AFRICOM on October 12, 2012, obviously due to his actions on the night of September 11, 2012 during the Benghazi terrorist raid. General Ham, who was the Commander of the 2011 US-NATO operation to topple Gadhafi in Libya, reportedly disregarded a “stand down” order issued from above and ordered the launch of an in extremis force to rescue the eventually slain servicemen at Benghazi, Libya. Regardless of the exact events that night, he was almost immediately removed from command. General Ham has not been called to testify publicly on Benghazi.
Also involved in the military (non-) response to the 9/11 anniversary attack was Admiral David Gaouette. He was replaced on October 27, 2012, according to Military.com news, “pending the outcome of an internal investigation into undisclosed allegations of inappropriate judgment.” As reported by J.B. Williams, Gaouette also received, and disobeyed, a stand down order issued from above. As Williams claims, “Gaouette readied vital intelligence and communications operations for an extraction effort to be launched by Ham.” A Navy spokesman, however, declined to comment on the Admiral’s removal. Gaouette has also not been called to testify publicly about Benghazi.
Retired Marine General James “Hoss” Cartwright is currently the focus of a probe for “allegedly leaking classified information about a covert cyberattack on Iran’s nuclear facilities.” The former vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who is 63, retired in 2011, after having been cleared of all wrongdoing in yet another sexually suggestive affair.
Here is the key part
What is the red thread connecting several of these cases? An NSA whisteblower (Edward Snowden is only one of four major NSA whistleblowers) Russel Tice claims that the domestic spy agency is wiretapping and carrying out surveillance on top military officers. Listen to his interview below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DmN80yi5mo&feature=player_embedded
Whether or not this is true, and it certainly seems the NSA has the capability to do this, it raises several questions about the manner that several high-ranking military officers were removed. Is there any manner of entrapment or blackmail being carried out on military officers, who subsequently refuse to testify openly and honestly over sensitive national security matters?
The deafening silence over who exactly issued the Benghazi “stand down order” that plausibly resulted in the deaths of two CIA servicemen (who also disobeyed stand down orders) and the reprisals against administration whistleblowers suggest that a thorough public investigation into such matters is of utmost importance. If the federal government is being abused to silence critics of the administration, or if it is being wielded against those who refuse to carry out illegal and immoral acts, representative government demands not just investigation, but decisive action.
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Furthermore, FEMA has agreed to let foreign troops on U.S. soil, contrary to the Constitution, as per this:
http://en.mchs.ru/news/item/434203/
CONgress lies for its wicked tax thieving international financiers who seek a new world order, under the jackboot of central banksters and their pretty paid useless eejit career politcians. New world order, same as the old feudalist order, for the vatican, hofjuden, monarchists of ye olde Englande and Europe.
Blackmail is a crime, so is eavesdropping without a warrant.
The average citizen doesn't think it will happen to them. What fools they be...
google it. Generals Ham, Baker, Ward and Admiral Gaouette
Edward Joseph Snowden TKO's Barack Hussein Obama.
BO, I suggest you start packing your bags. Your days at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue are few.
Thank you, Vladimir Putin, Orthodox Christian, father of the FSB, and lifelong patriot regardless of the weak ways of career politicians and their banksters who own them.
I don't know who 'runs' Snowden, but I do know that this two faced lying deceiving hubristic CONgress wages endless war abroad, and against the people of the USA.
The so-called Patriot Act designates every veteran as a potential terrorist.
The NDAA gives CONgress the right to seize all resources: land, water, sky; and leave the people starving.
The NSA is a spawn of the CIA which was founded by Nazis brought into the USA under Operation Paperclip after WWII, funded by the nazionist madmen Rockefeller and Rothschild's Trilateral Commission, the age old rootless cosmopolitans who funded Lenin, ruined Russia, slaughtered Christians under the Red Terror...just as they do in the West and Middle East now under a different banner called globalisation; a failed hateful way of the Vatican, hofjuden and Rothschild/Rockefeller nazionism.
They want Putin dead, and any other dissenter.Their expensive tax funded Nazi spy network of the NSA failed to stop the Boston bombings, despite warnings from Russia about the Chechen islamist brothers.
Kinda makes you wonder if the current CONgress is owned by foreign powers who pursue unconstitutional ways in order to ruin the USA, and the rest of the world. That foreign power is the age old game rigging Vatican, hofjuden, mad monarchs of ye olde Englande and Europe.
They hate the USA. They hate Russia. They hate anyone who challenges their newest ploy: the Trilateral Commission.
What?
No Reptoid lizard overlords?
......He's in Africa preaching gay marriage to people who kill homosexuals.
***Kinda makes you wonder if the current CONgress is owned by foreign powers who pursue unconstitutional ways in order to ruin the USA***
You might want to check out "the only democracy in the Middle East" and America's very best friend: Israel.
Looks like the accurate spelling of CONgress is catching on. Started that in 2007 on many articles...
Not America's friend; a friend only to central banks and their pretty precious puppet career politicians who continue to defy the will of the majority, and stuff their pockets full of money stolen from the majority in the trusting U.S.A. which does not agree with CONgress. Does not agree with nazionism. Does not approve war abroad which is unconstitutional.
Brat Britain likes the jackboot of the monarchy or failed socialists, much like the EUSSR. Your problem.
Look, NewEngland - You're saying some very good stuff, but why not assume Snowden runs Snowden until you know something different.
re. I don't know who 'runs' Snowden
You've said this a couple of times. It's demeaning.
I agree Snowden's doing a great job.
The historical events you describe involve a number of countries. So, if you're looking for a culprit group who caused them, consider it being one that holds no allegiance to any particular country and is Marxist/Fascist in nature, since it also holds no allegiance to any model of democratic accountability. Ultimately this group aims for total power to control/dominate the world. What we see going on are simply events & battles along that road.
Snowden
Al-Kietha et al: they hate us for our Freedoms.
Diane Finespringysteen being seen giving sloppy seconds for purses in Macy's store window is not a good thing.
Someone threw away a perfectly good white boy.
Now that is funny.
Trading places?
The American neighbors used to be such nice people...until they got in with the wrong 'crowd'
I tink meself it was when dey started dat credit union in what was it... 1913...? Fell in wit a bad lot me granny said...
Snowden has done more to promote freedom than Bush or Obama ever did. The govt is too big and out of control. The next pres need to get ready to dismantle the military industrial complex - all of it.
These 9+ pages of comments reads like one of those reality shows.
It should not, of course, but that's what happens when Control works its wonders -- it turns the ordinarily decent and level-headed into something tumultuous.
What does it say that congress has a lower approval rating than an admitted fellon with a conscience on the run.
It says that most Americans distrust CONgress, its central banksters, and modern Wail Street who make endless war so long as everyone else pays for their failures, their hateful Trilateral Commission nazionism.
Obama was called a hero by millions too. We saw how that played out.
A hero for doing what?
It doesn't take any heroism to make decisions in the White House, fully protected by the SS, whithout fear of accountability for your actions other than losing your job after four years and maybe being heckled.
That is the problem methinks. There should be trials for some of the stuff that those in Congress and the Administration did.
> A hero for doing what?
The same can be said about Snowden.
So Obama ratted on the the system and now is on the run and inside of Russia? Man you can't make this shit up.
How dare you audit the one percenters, How dare you threaten our defense industry money generating killing machine, How dare you speak about human rights and privacy. You Snowden are now off the team!!
Snowden for president!! without the ears!!
I'm all for sticking it to the banksters....but what the fuck do they have to do with Obama's non-stop humiliating scandals and unpresidented violations of the constitution?
Bankster gets stooge elected.. Banksters turn republic into fashist system with multiple stooges help. Yeah its all the money junkies doing. Obama is just a tool, like that comes as any surprize.
However try to talk to someone who sees what the evening news tells them.. They are like you are nuts!! Ok but am I right?!? They are like shut up, America gots talent is on.
Who do you think put Ovarmint into power?
Snowden: Here's an example of how our liberal Govt is out of control.
Obama: He's lying.... Wait I didn't know..... But everyone is doing it.... Stop it's because we're talking.... Maaaammmmyyyy.
Stay in africa black hitler; we'll call you.
we can do without the ignorant fucking racism.
yeah I hate scumbag Obama because I'm a fucking racist, but I hate GWB because he's white.
Grow up stupid.
you're not fooling anyone, asshole.
you sound like your cocksucker Obama
Did you see that guy's dog get shot outside LA? Terrible.
I hate the white half of Ovarmint as much as I do the black half. Does that still make me a racist?
R-E-V-O-L-U-T-I-O-N
Evolution. Much simpler and longer lasting.
— General Zod, Superman
what else can i say but call my fellow americans either stupid or ignorant. i have some very well educated friends who act like this shit is no big deal as long as they can keep chasing that carrot.
guess what, assholes? you're never going to catch that carrot. and by standing by doing nothing is being complicit.
this country has been overthrown by an international banking cartel and no one seems to give a shit. except here at ZH and some alex jones fanatics. can't believe i lumped those two together...
this guy is a hero!!!! <3
god bless you edward snowden!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
obama is a nazi, born in africa, citizen of indonesia, a man full of wickedness, a tyrant, rockefeller nazi and bush crime syndicate whore.
Doesn't this kid understand that they revoked his passport to enable his "droneability"?
They'll do that to citizens too, right here on US soil. They're just waiting for someone to commit an appropriate act of "terror".
Thanks Ed, I'll be toasting you on Independence Day.
All Iraqis and Afghans who launch attacks on US forces for invading their country for no rhyme or reason are terrorists. Similarly all Americans who expose the attempts of the political administration to curb human rights and privacy of the majority of the population are branded as traitors.
Welcome to new age democracy.
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article40231.html
The Middle East makes war among themselves without our help. No point getting involved. Trade with them. Nothing more.
Snowden is a useful asset for pointing out the hypocrisy of the Bush/O'bomba brat failed central banksters who spy like the Stasi, yet claim to be virtuous.
See why Obama doesn't want any leaks. He loves getting away with this; Obama Regime Spends $53M On Voter ID Cards In Kenya While Calling Voter ID Laws In U.S. Racist http://wp.me/ph9ZO-iAc
In the immigration bill, employers will be fined $5,000. for hiring American Citizens over illegals. Still think you live in America?
Eric Snowden may GOD bless you and protect you. You will be remembered in history as one of the BRAVE men who helped to set this once great nation back on the correct path. You will die, as all men do. But what you have done is show that ONE man can still make a difference and stand up for what is right.
As I type this I think what if the NSA is actually putting me on a list now. Well then I guess that I would say FUCK YOU! For when the time comes that we can no longer say what we think and what we feel there is no point in living anymore. Once a man has tasted freedom there is no going back.
Good will always win against evil in the long run because that is the human spirit. Unfortunately there are those amonst us that are inhuman. The level of evil in this world is great and there will be much suffering to clense it.
Brother against brother and so on. It astounds me that so many people have contempt for the foundation of the country.
They would rather allow the government to "control" their lives, give them food stamps, social "security" than live in a free state.
They call Snowden a traitor, a criminal, and use their vast resources, weallth, threats and military and propaganda budgets to steer the "good" citizens.
The people who have nothing to "hide" would rather watch tv, facebook and go to a mall or get high.
We could change things, peacefully by getting rid of those who demand absolute servitude.
It won't happen, too many of the citizens fell prey to the bullshit.
FBI Documents Show Plot to Kill Occupy Leaders
http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/18199-fbi-documents-...
Crazy!....
Man, six hours after posting and this topic has generated 600 comments. Emotion truly does motivate. This issue really struck a nerve.
It is more than emotion. It is rational enlightened self interest.
I don't know who 'runs' Snowden, but I do know that his 'leaks' were well timed.
The Bush/O'bomba international banksters are out of control, and out of their minds. They do not have the mandate of any land, least of all the USA, yet they pursue endless failed wars, failed monetary and fiscal sham policies which only profit the age old monarchists, hofjuden in Britain, Europe, the Middle East...and the Politburo in confused China.
Only apparatchiks and the ignoranti defend this status woe.
... defend this status woe. Nice wordplay there. As a several decade-long student of the intelligence field, I have had some wariness about this entire narrative regarding Ed Snowden. Many of the particulars (where's waldo?, access to unimaginable data, picture-perfect unravelling of info, etc.) have been touched upon, but the biggest siren - to me - is the virtual non-stop media glare. What about William Binney? Doesn't a 40 year NSA veteran with 6,000 underlings get any audience? How about Russ Tice? His interview the other day should cause a shut down of the government tomorrow and yet few are aware of him. Yes, some big things are afoot and Ed Snowden is playing a major role. God help us all.
Yep. Snowden suits an agenda beyond the one proclaimed by the banksters' main scream media. However, let's wait and see. Time is on our side.
A dear friend tells me that Snowden is useful to the Republic, as it would be difficult for Tier 1 to alert Americans to the dangers posed by liar CONgress otherwise.
Nixon received almost 18 million more popular votes than McGovern, the widest margin of any United States presidential election in 1972. Watergate, the http://detaineetaskforce.org/read/ is a much more serious us indictment. Just a fact that seems relevant.
Could this be designed to give a reason to pull the plug on the internet/cell phones/texts for private use? These devices have certainly been useful in organizing Spring revolutions and occupations. If tptb are fearful of these growing movements they may move against their mobility. Where is Paul Revere when you need him?
One if by land, and two if by sea. The old ways are the best ways, and the internet captures fools, not patriots.
We still use candles hereabouts, and like that Russia tried to warn the USA about the chechen bombers, and dislike that the tax funded bloated useless NSA and FBI failed to heed the warning. More fool them, traitors, useless bureaucrats.
For some real journalistic insight and a close look at the Snowden issue you should listen to the "No Agenda" podcast with Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak. It actually makes current news fun to listen to.
Time to destroy Goldman Sachs' satellite links and return to manual switchboards as in the GDR, but why ? THey have gotten everytghing they want this way and the American Public will sit back and take it just like the Russians and Chinese did. The USA is becoming the New China with its vast peasant class
Crikey! That's a bold statement, given that Britain is having a nervous breakdown with failing public services, rising taxes, falling income...and now ruled by the latest Goldman Sacks man, new head of the Bank of England, the baliff calling to collect, admired by all Yesminster and Whitewash warmongers, and expenses thieves.
Reading through all comments was interesting. To all you who think he is plant, a mole and doesn't use "merican grammar" a la Huffington Post., I'm not buying.
I don't know. But it is not weird (I think the word used by HuffPo was bizarre) for someone to use diffeent cases when writing-... ok.
I tend to agree with what cougar said - this is a huge embarrassment for the current team and right now he is a liabiliity
Go Snowden Go
And for any NSA, email me directly at ...
The Huffington Post is owned and run by a mongrel Brit of uncertain new immigrant origin who fckd the British socialist media establishment Bernard Levin et al, and came to the USA to ply her trade.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianna_Huffington
She is a media whore, first last and always; a rootless cosmopolitan scammer, serving the highest bidder in establishment politics, like any modern main scream presstitute.
Greek actually and from President of the Cambridge Union she became protegee of the journalist Bernard Levin before social climbing to a gay oilman in the US
Once an oily harlot, always an oily harlot social climber. Her reputation precedes her which is why she is most useful to the status woe.
She is an 'educated fool', and a slut, promoted by those who like her Cambridge spy ring. It's a first for them. They prefer boys usually, as per the Rotchild led sadistic Queen's own Household Blunt traitor paedophiles et al.
Much like the former Prime Mentalist paedophiles Bliar and Brown, aided by their Rotchild paedophile Mandelson.
I wonder if they have a Nobel prize for emasculating a whole population?
If so, Obama and Congress along with GW and Dick the fuck Cheney should win it hands down.
Edward Snowden is the truest American Patriot since our founding fathers. And brave too. Just like the thousands upon thousands of American soldiers over our past 200 years that gave their lives in the name of honesty, freedom, decency and fairness for ALL.
It was the saddest moment in my life when I realized 5 years ago the government of the United States of America was to be feared, not respected like I was taught in school and wanted oh so fervently to believe for my entire life. And for the lives of my children.
Now I will donate money, time and if necessary - my life - to the real Americans out there who understand what is happening and are bold and courageous enough to fight back. I still believe the American people and the American ideal is alive, it's just that the American democratic system got hijacked by rich, corrupt and power-hungry strongmen.
We will take it back......Sooner or Later......
Republics end through luxury, Monarchies end through vice. Old saying but looking at the collapse of the American Republic into an Oligarchy it is frankly astounding how easy it was to accomplish.
And it is easiest to be subjects of the Nazi Crown. More fool you.
The Republic isn't over yet, despite internationale intrigue, thieving, warmongering, useless monarchies.
He's not the messiah. He's a very naughty boy. But he'll do for now if this is what it takes to shake up the corrupt system.
Do try to remember that he worked for an Israeli owned company, and claims to be ....whatever, whatever suits the system at this point in time.
Putin has seen this play before and knows how it ends. No point shearing a piglet...all that squealing yields little fur. Let piglet run wherever he wants.
Tue 02 Jul:
According to RT.com, Snowden has WITHDRAWN his applicastion for asylum in Russia.
Ah...so the great game continues. Putin is no one's fool.
Maybe it is a game ..
I thought that Putin's condition on Snowden - which he expressed publicly at a press conference yesterday - was (a) to avoid causing unnecessary damage to US-Russian relations and (b) to ensure that Russia was the only country to become privy to what Snowden knows. Meaning that even if he were silent in public, Snowden would still be expected to spill the beans in private. And of course doing it this way, Obama would never know how much Snowden has revealed.
Correct.
So, Snowden declined the offer which makes me wonder more who 'runs' him. He is 'run' by some entity, certainly. An entity that is not a friend of the USA or Russia. Remember that Snowden worked for an Israeli-owned company.
Or he is 'run' by an entity that wants to embarrass this O'bomba/Bush freakery, and I'd be ok with that if it is best for the USA. The U.S. military disapprove of O'bomba and freak paedophile Bushes, Kissinger, Rotchilds.
HA-HA.
Nobody in Europe methinks - far too complicated for them. It could be China (unlikely IMO)? A secret inside group within the US who are concerned by Obama's march towards fascism and the over-reaching power/control of US security services. And are out to screw Obama? Israel? Or some nice cuddly group like MI6 who are certainly capable of such plots?
Then again, it could be Assange and WikiLeaks.
Take your pick. Or add some more ... ...
But note Snowden's statement of yesterday in which he referred to a lot of help & support from many people that he doesn't know but who support his actions. That implies to me that he's a loner and simply taking whatever advice is offered to get him out of no-mans-land.
Methinks Snowden is a freelance spy who got in over his head, and he went public to get supporters/options and only got in deeper over his head. If Russia doesn't want him there is only one country for him left - Iran. He didn't ask Iran for asylum but he might end up there anyway.
Just offer him political refuge in Germany and be over with. It would piss off the USA enormously and make the Germany happy. Problem solved.
So Americans are now forced to seek asylum from persecution in countries such as Russia. At what point does American self destruction stop and self reflection begin?
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights Snowden mentions is routinely violated by, I would submit, every country that signed it. Especially the US and Russia. Essentially making it irrelevant and odd that Snowden sought asylum in countries with abysmal human rights track records. Or maybe he was selecting countries that do not have extradition agreements with the US. Which is why I have many questions.
Germany stopped spying a few years ago due to public outcry...wink, wink. Sure they did.
Point being that no country is really going to be on his side with the exception of using Snowden for foreign political points. Illustrated example, Russia. But how far will they be willing to go?
So in all likelihood he will face trial here in the US. What will that look like? Will it be a situation where you root against the rule of law, meaning call for his acquittal or not to be charged at all? Considering he admittedly broke some serious laws. Or could this be an opportunity to challenge the laws that make it legal for the government to collect data on you?
I have many questions and am jaded enough not to believe everything I hear, read or see. So I reserve judgment on Snowden and his deed. My initial reaction though was, why would someone risk so much to alert the public on something many of us already knew? I can't help but be suspicious. I believed that almost everyone in this country at least suspected they were doing this based on the the exponential growth in technology. Some of us knew about project Echelon based in the UK in the 1990's and with the sweeping changes in tech, 9/11 patriot act etc. it should be fairly common knowledge that the US government spy's on it's citizens. But some friends tell me that may be a faulty assumption. I don't know. With the level of propaganda/programming in our world, I think it prudent to be skeptical.
"In the end the Obama administration is not afraid of whistleblowers like me, Bradley Manning or Thomas Drake. We are stateless, imprisoned, or powerless. No, the Obama administration is afraid of you. It is afraid of an informed, angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised — and it should be."
And that is the most important part of his statement. Like I have said all along, there is no "United States" as long as the Usurper Domestic enemy Obama Usurps the Presidency. He is a British subject, born of a british subject father, thus not a natural born Citizen, and not eligible, even if born on the Oval Office desk. Only the mass realization by We the people that he is an illegal entity, like an invasive species, can we even begin to return to the Constitution and the republic. It is up to We the People to yank this smug puppet of the Rothchilds out of the Oval Offic---- OUR HOUSE. He has no right to be there, even if elected by 90% of the electorate--- because he is CONSTITUTIONALLY INELIGIBLE. He is an invasive species and domestic enemy of the people. Pitchforks!!! Hang your flags upside down this 7/04. The Republic is in distress.
What happened with Bush? What happens when your red team wins in 2016?
You are a useless tool. Rise up and act or shut the fuckup.
Too many comments to read them all but I would like to raise a technical point.
It is highly unlikely that our .gov is directly taking info from ISP and others but VERY likely that it is paying BOTH the originator and a middleman quite handsomely for said access. This is why all were able to assert that they do not provide direct access to .gov. I guarantee that Zuckerberg and other insiders knew the value of their contractual arrangement with .gov subcontractors prior to the IPO.
In short what this means to all of us is indeed chilling. There will be no Ron Paul like figure to lead us for they have gone too far but from time to time one will be thrust forward to test our will. It is tempting to say they will destroy our beloved nation before they allow its restoration but if you are one of the fortunate few who can read cursive you know that has already been accomplished.
I curse the day Uranium became more valuable than gold.