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Ron Paul: "If You Like The Surveillance State, You’ll Love E-Verify"

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Submitted by Ron Paul via The Free Foundation blog,

From massive NSA spying, to IRS targeting of the administration's political opponents, to collection and sharing of our health care information as part of Obamacare, it seems every day we learn of another assault on our privacy. Sadly, this week the Senate took another significant, if little-noticed, step toward creating an authoritarian surveillance state. Buried in the immigration bill is a national identification system called mandatory E-Verify.

The Senate did not spend much time discussing E-Verify, and what little discussion took place was mostly bipartisan praise for its effectiveness as a tool for preventing illegal immigrants from obtaining employment. It is a tragedy that mandatory E-Verify is not receiving more attention, as it will impact nearly every American’s privacy and liberty.

The mandatory E-Verify system requires Americans to carry a “tamper-proof” social security card. Before they can legally begin a job, American citizens will have to show the card to their prospective employer, who will then have to verify their identity and eligibility to hold a job in the US by running the information through the newly-created federal E-Verify database. The database will contain photographs taken from passport files and state driver's licenses. The law gives federal bureaucrats broad discretion in adding other “biometric” identifiers to the database. It also gives the bureaucracy broad authority to determine what features the “tamper proof” card should contain.

Regardless of one’s views on immigration, the idea that we should have to ask permission from the federal government before taking a job ought to be offensive to all Americans. Under this system, many Americans will be denied the opportunity for work. The E-Verify database will falsely identify thousands as "ineligible," forcing many to lose job opportunities while challenging government computer inaccuracies. E-Verify will also impose additional compliance costs on American businesses, at a time when they are struggling with Obamacare implementation and other regulations.

According to David Bier of Competitive Enterprise Institute, there is nothing stopping the use of E-Verify for purposes unrelated to work verification, and these expanded uses could be authorized by agency rule-making or executive order. So it is not inconceivable that, should this bill pass, the day may come when you are not be able to board an airplane or exercise your second amendment rights without being run through the E-Verify database. It is not outside the realm of possibility that the personal health care information that will soon be collected by the IRS and shared with other federal agencies as part of Obamacare will also be linked to the E-Verify system.

Those who dismiss these concerns as paranoid should consider that the same charges were leveled at those who warned that the PATRIOT Act could lead to the government collecting our phone records and spying on our Internet usage. Just as the PATRIOT Act was only supposed to be used against terrorists but is now used to bypass constitutional protections in matters having noting to do with terrorism or national security, the national ID/mandatory E-Verify database will not only be used to prevent illegal immigrants from gaining employment. Instead, it will eventually be used as another tool to monitor and control the American people.

The recent revelations of the extent of National Security Agency (NSA) spying on Americans, plus recent stories of IRS targeting Tea Party and similar groups for special scrutiny, demonstrates the dangers of trusting government with this type of power. Creation of a federal database with photos and possibly other “biometric” information about American citizens is a great leap forward for the surveillance state. All Americans who still care about limited government and individual liberty should strongly oppose E-Verify.

 


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Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:01 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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we're trying. we'r losing.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:09 | Link to Comment Xibalba
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Mark that Beast

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:18 | Link to Comment knukles
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Goodbye Natural Law, freedom, serentiy, sanity....
Shred them Documents...
Everything came and went inside of 200 years...

 

PS, Isn't there a rumor floating about regarding a lawsuit in which some very famous person's SSN doesn't jive with E-Verify, currently?

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:21 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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how famous? like most-powerful-kenyan-on-the-earth famous?

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:31 | Link to Comment DeadFred
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The bill has special exeptions for Reptilian symbionts. Iy's very hard to get good biometric data when hybrid organisms are involved.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:08 | Link to Comment G-R-U-N-T
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What would George Orwell say about this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXm5hklbBsA

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 03:31 | Link to Comment TwoShortPlanks
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I said there wasn't much point confiscating Gold in America...I was wrong; they're coming for everything, including your soul.

Better to fight the battle now than when they're ready to fight.

But it's like the Wizard of Oz, no courage, no brains, and no heart...only curtains.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 06:39 | Link to Comment fockewulf190
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Expect an explosion of homeless, bigger gangs and more crime. Then comes another wave of gun purchases and another run on ammo. Then comes the howling from the public for more police, more jails. Then comes the hikes in taxes to pay for it all...and more howling. Then comes another push for amnesty...and more howling. Then comes more gridlock.
Then comes.....

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:08 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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will e-verify be tied to SNAP cards?

will you need to be verified to collect .gov benefits?

healthcare?

grocerys?

gasoline?

electricity?

your dry cleaning?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:19 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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We can be fairly certain of one area to which it will not be applied: VOTING.

Voting by dead people, non-citizens, and multiple-vote-casters would be severely hampered by using e-verify, therefore those controlling the poll results will not allow it.

It is curious, however, to note that the same politicians who oppose picture IDs for voters will support same for everything else. 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:56 | Link to Comment Imminent Crucible
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This "electronic verification" concept is not new. I was prevented from boarding a plane several years ago because my other name--a very common one--belonged to someone on the No Fly list. It took a while to get that straightened out.

So beware if you're a Robert Johnson or a Jack Smith or a Martín Rodriguez. Somebody with your name is a suspect, and that makes you suspect.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:26 | Link to Comment cifo
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All famous people are incorporated. They don't need e-verify to get employment.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:30 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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OT, but relative. A friend's elderly mother just had a hysterectomy due to cancer. She was given a 3 page document requesting permission to share her biopsy info for research purposes. Further into the document it stated that the biopsy results could be used against her & her relatives for the purpose of insurance revokation & loss of employment. 

Guess this is what's going to make the ACA affordable.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 08:27 | Link to Comment pods
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I love the smell of Eugenics in the morning.

pods

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:41 | Link to Comment prains
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This is all going down as the precursor to the reset. Don't know if they have it date stamped yet but they know it's coming and this is the "getting the ducks in a row" phase. When this thing goes bat shit, all this shit gets rolled out buffet style just hows yous likes it

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:42 | Link to Comment Seize Mars
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knukles

"...some very famous person's SSN doesn't jive with E-Verify, currently?"

The man commonly referred to as "Barack Hussein Obama" has listed on his tax returns a social security number which was originally issued to someone called Harrison J. Bounel, who was born in Connecticut.

 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 06:58 | Link to Comment espirit
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linky, linky?

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:27 | Link to Comment Go Tribe
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666-66-6666

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:02 | Link to Comment auntiesocial
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I am not always stealing souls, but when I do, I use the E-verify system. 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:07 | Link to Comment Terra-Firma
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in Canada that card is called your S.I.N. (no pun intended). Stands for social security number.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 04:16 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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Actually stands for Social Insurance Number. (No pun intended.)

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:02 | Link to Comment HardAssets
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Didnt Ron Paul warn about having to 'show your papers' and that the fence they are building is to keep Americans in ?  

Welcome to the full blown Nazi nation.

Of course, most Americans are too apathetic and stupid to see it.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:13 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Obamacare and E-Verify are leading the USA down the road to Hell.  I did not vote for him.  I wanted Ron Paul as well for the R-Team.  

America got what it wanted (Obama).  America got what it deserved (Obama).

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:22 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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don't lump me in w/ your last 2 sentences.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:47 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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America as a whole, otto.  I too am an American.  We (America) got what we deserved.  Yes we did!

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 07:10 | Link to Comment g speed
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fuck you---I do not deserve this vile shit --never try to speak for other people you ass hole---you're like the gov't telling me this or that like I'm guilty or you get to judge---you and your ilk are the problem --fucking know it all. 

 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:50 | Link to Comment Imminent Crucible
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"you and your ilk are the problem--fuck you, you fucking fucker fuckety-fuck!"

Get a grip, dude. DoChen ain't the problem. The problem is the giant global crime syndicate that Obama fronts for in D.C., with other puppets in other power centers.

Whether you like it or not, Americans in the aggregate--and that includes you and me--are getting the results of this monstrosity whether we voted for it or not.  While you're assholing everyone, the tentacles are growing and spreading. You don't have time for snarling and sniping. You'd better get your affairs in order at home.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:26 | Link to Comment howenlink
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If Snowden hadn't held a press conference, this thread would have gotten 532 comments, dammit.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:33 | Link to Comment IdiocracyIsAlre...
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That you voted for the R-Team only means you voted for a slightly different brand of fascism.  Ron Paul was the only (superficially) member of that team that was anything other than a hard core authoritarian with different branding.  Get a clue.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 07:34 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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You must be new here, he was making a more subtle point through sarcasm and asshattery.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:19 | Link to Comment Obese-Redneck
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First they bitch about all the illegals takin' their god given jobs.  Then they bitch when they set up a fool proof way to throw them over the wall.  In between they set up straw men left and right about sob stories and health care, not to mention religious crap.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:33 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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You noticed that as well?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:32 | Link to Comment Raymond K Hessel
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We are like the Germans in the early Thirties. I used to wonder how Germans got swept up with fascism.  Not any more.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:31 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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Those of us who believe in the Bible - which incidentally does not include all who call themselves Christians - might surmise that God has finally decided He's had enough. He turned his back to the apostate Jews and sent them into exile. He might likewise have decided that the nation that once sang "God shed his grace on thee" but now asks blessings upon Planned Parenthood is not worth protecting from its own follies.

 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:10 | Link to Comment Boxed Merlot
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...us who believe in the Bible...God has finally decided He's had enough...

 

 

"Just as it is written,

'For Your sake we are being put to death all day long;
We were considered as sheep to be slaughtered.'

 But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer…”

Excerpted Paul’s letter to the Romans NASB

 

 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:20 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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If so, then fuck god in the ass with a big rubber dildo...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 13:25 | Link to Comment IdiocracyIsAlre...
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And those of us who don't believe in the Bible find your angry skydaddy who you believe punishes those who don't pay him proper obescience with eternal torture appalling and sickening.  You find this perfectly A-OK are not much better.  Get off the stupidity of the idea the your god is "punishing" America (screw the whole collective, huh?) for something as inane as supporting planned parenthood and take care of your own life.  There are not enough down arrows I could give you.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 00:25 | Link to Comment Edmon Plume
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Without God, you lose all categories of right and wrong.  If God doesn't exist, you are just meat.  There's nothing special about anyone.  Man is just a random assemblage of atoms, and has as much worth as a dogpile.  Ironically, that is exactly the line that PP pushes, except they think themselves the anointed ones to decide who is and is not valuable.  It's embarrassing that a site like ZH has so many who despise the government for "playing God" but who give PP - supported by US tax dollars - a big golden ticket to ride.  WTH?

God gives you a chance for redemption and mercy, regardless of your past - try getting that kind of mercy from any government, past or present.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 10:08 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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I thought the objectivists put the final nail in the coffin of the notion of morality only through diety (although it was probably over long before)...  apparently there are still desperate torch bearers. 

Here's a simple line of questioning, how does it make you feel when you come home and find that someone has broken into your home, stolen your items, and raped your daughter?  Do you think that people who do not believe in god would feel any differently than you about the situation?  What does god have to offer in this situation that we don't already know?

PS, many of the same people who believe that man is just a random assemblage of atoms also have the utmost reverence for life...  you might say it's because they can truly appreciate how special it is. 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:17 | Link to Comment tradebot
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All you jokers that waisted your vote on RP to teach them Republicans a lesson has now back fired.  Look what you have now.  I doubt the contender would have gone this far.  Quit your bitchin and take you medicine (dumb ass).

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:16 | Link to Comment knukles
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Talking about that "fence"
I was watching some vids that were filmed along the southern border and strangely enough, the top of the fence in many of the shots showed the wire leaning "in" toward the US side.

Say what about keeping whom where?

Keep your eyes open.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:48 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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I did not see the videos, so I cannot be an authority, but I can tell you that in Latin America, having barbs and spikes pointing both INWARD and OUTWARD is more challenging for a wall-climber...  In Peru we have our spikes pointing out and in.  Burglars have to be pretty good to get through that...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:18 | Link to Comment DOT
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History lesson: all border defences must have the ability to pivot 180o as the French learned at Maginot.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:14 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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i saw a video with a vehicle stuck on top of that fence....they were trying to drive over on ramps and high centered

 

any wall can be surmounted with thought and effort

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:07 | Link to Comment tango
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Of course, most Americans are too apathetic and stupid to see it.

I see things like this all the time on ZH from commentators seemingly frustrated that Americans have not taken to the streets.   Folks don't see it  not because they are stupid or apatehtic but because (for example) sites like ZH operate, routinely bashing their government, leaders and national policies without fear of repurcussion. 

Many European nations (we've been in Scandanavia for some time) have such papers and think nothing about them because they are used for identification purposes only.  Intent is the key.  Why do we accept the idea of driver's license as an ID but balk at SS cards?  Because we want to ensure that drivers are qualified.  (I know, I know).  Today, SS cards can be stolen and/or used easily because they are not directly tied to one person. (Third year in a row someone has used ours while filing Turbotax.  

If the new ID was simply an identification object that was tied to an individual it could not be stolen or misused.  My worry (of course) is the same as the Patriot Act.  All it took was one person to actually go as far as the law permits.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 07:17 | Link to Comment g speed
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you are so backward--socialist slave--    the need is to realize that drivers licences should be done away with --not make SS cards like drivers liciences--duh--people like you are so programed that they can't even think clearly-- what the fuck is wrong with people---oh- the TV must be on in your house--

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:24 | Link to Comment Obese-Redneck
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He/she makes great points and is not backward at all.  Socialist slave?  doubt it.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:28 | Link to Comment Libertarian777
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I NEVER understand comments like this, ESPECIALLY from people living in Europe.

WWII was a mere 70 years ago, and yet everyone forgets that the jews were marked with armbands. Do you really think giving a government the power to track you (via RFID) by forcing you to carry an ID card, and thus forever knowing your gender, biometric info, height, weight etc at all times. It would have made the Nazis a thousand fold more efficient at eliminating people. Soon 'consitutionalists', 'libertarians', 'independents', 'asians', 'muslims', 'rednecks', 'straight people' etc. will be fined/taxed/arrested for some arbitrary felony.

Think it can't happen again? Have a look at the right wing parties gaining power in Greece, Germany and a host of other countries.

Sure OBAMA 'might' not use this power he grants himself, but will it stop the NEXT president or the one beyond that from exercising these unconstitutional powers?

There is a saying, if you cannot be trusted with the small things how can you be trusted with the big things?

Applying that to government, if we can't even trust the IRS to solely collect taxes, then how the FUCK can we trust the government with E-Verify, NSA snooping, the drug war, Syria intervention, Iran nuclear bomb-claims etc?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:09 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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Creation of a federal database with photos and possibly other “biometric” information about American citizens is a great leap forward for the surveillance state. All Americans who still care about limited government and individual liberty should strongly oppose E-Verify.

indeed Mr. Paul, many of us very deeply care about limiting government and desire individual liberty, hence firmly opposing the Republican agenda of interfering in the individual body sovereignty of females that is still under attack by your son and other Republicans, via the "sanctity of life" proposed constitutional amendments that you kept alive for over a decade.

because many of us understand fully where this government is headed, and realise the ONLY way to enact those laws will involve monitoring female fertility cycles, most likely by the mandatory "health care" enacted government laws, most likely by a biometric "card" system, etc. etc.

some of us have been paying attention for a very, very long time, and have seen the writing on the wall.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:03 | Link to Comment All Out Of Bubblegum
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Be a slave to The State or be a pauper.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:13 | Link to Comment nobodyimportant
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difference?

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:20 | Link to Comment Boop
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The food is better in one.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:24 | Link to Comment All Out Of Bubblegum
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Paupers are free.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:08 | Link to Comment ziggy59
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This is picture perfect demographic of I.N.S.A.N.E....

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:08 | Link to Comment Manipuflation
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Somebody ought to call or e-mail Snowden and see what he thinks about this LRC re-post.  Just sayin and you know what I am saying.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:45 | Link to Comment Bringin It
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Maybe he could be on Max Keiser's show.  I think Max is in Moscow.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:03 | Link to Comment tvdog
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Keiser is in London. And he works for RT, which is controlled by - Putin.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 03:10 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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Snowden: "In the end the Obama administration is not afraid of whistleblowers like me, Bradley Manning or Thomas Drake. We are stateless, imprisoned, or powerless. No, the Obama administration is afraid of you. It is afraid of an informed, angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised – and it should be

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:57 | Link to Comment Sven Sikztu
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Bravo- let me add the one key word for you and it's nailed perfectly:

 

It is afraid of an informed, Armed & angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised – and it should be

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:08 | Link to Comment ersatzteil
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Maybe the card can be made of a high-gloss, no-stick material so less coke sticks to it when racking lines.

See, there's a silver lining in everything.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:17 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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and a razor sharp edge, if we are putting in requests

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:08 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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It'll be such a pleasure watching those old maggots on crapitol hill die off one by one from lingering old age type painful afflictions.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:19 | Link to Comment knukles
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They'll exempt themselves, Buzz

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 02:22 | Link to Comment TyrannoSoros Wrecks
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And be replaced by racist beeners thanks to 30 million new amnasty voters.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:38 | Link to Comment Raymond K Hessel
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WTF?!

You misspelled beaners AND amnesty!?!!

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 07:42 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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Seems death is the only way that anyone can get rid of the parsites. Look at Pelosi, been there how long now? Still can't get rid of that bitch...

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:09 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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"It matters not where you live, or what rank of life you hold, the evil or the blessing will reach you all."

--Thomas Paine, 'The Crisis', 1776

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:10 | Link to Comment zorba THE GREEK
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The gobment has enough rounds of ammo to kill every U.S. citizen 7 times.

U.S. citizens have enough ammo to kill every gobment official 700 times.

You go figure it.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:16 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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"Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here." -- Capt. John Parker, 1775

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 02:24 | Link to Comment TyrannoSoros Wrecks
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But since it takes the average afirmative action unionized street cop 8 shots to kill somebody, net body should be zero.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 07:21 | Link to Comment g speed
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don't count bullets--count trigger fingers

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:39 | Link to Comment Raymond K Hessel
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80 million, give or take.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 08:48 | Link to Comment gaoptimize
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They will concentrate forces, declaring one home, then another an extremist threat.  They will use large well armed SWAT operations.  The 8 rounds is an average.  They will fire hundreds.  Set up the monte carlo simulation and a reasonable distribution around the 8 rounds.  The horror.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:10 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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Utter bullshit.  Illegals work in this country because the elite fucks want 'em here.

I worked in the construction trades and always had to prove citizenship or I would not work.  Throw the bosses and owners in jail and it would stop pronto.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:11 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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This will have zero effect on Mexicans.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:28 | Link to Comment nobodyimportant
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You ever read any history about how the US stole Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California from Mexico?

Doesn't sound like it from your post. 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:39 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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at some point most of the landmass on earth has been "stolen" by one group from another- possesion is 10/10th of the law.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:41 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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If possession is 10/10ths of the law then there is no law.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:03 | Link to Comment bonin006
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There is plenty of law, justice is what is lacking.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 02:45 | Link to Comment Totentänzerlied
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So if/when Mexicans were to take it back and gain forceful possession, you'd cite the possession principle as validating their claim?

Somehow I doubt that.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 07:46 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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Who said he had to? If you advocate Individual rights then you would support that governmental entities can not own land.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:44 | Link to Comment nobodyimportant
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Evidently the uneducated ass who down voted me has not read any history either.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:47 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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I did- my minor was in European history

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:50 | Link to Comment nobodyimportant
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wrong continent

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:52 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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no shit? 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:57 | Link to Comment nobodyimportant
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You cannot fix stupid.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:09 | Link to Comment howenlink
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You win.  We should probably give back everything to Mexico, and then make my grandkids pay back the Mexicans in the name of human rights.

 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:49 | Link to Comment Simplifiedfrisbee
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Truth is, the "Devine" manifestation of a God given destiny was bestowed upon the USA during the years of the Mexican-American War. The conquer agenda has primarily been founded in propaganda and ignorance and it was steam rollin ahead like a wild hungry beast during those years. Really, nothing has dramatically changed since then so be careful to promote your ego because its byproduct is ignorance. President Polk declared war only after the US strategically PROVOKED Mexico into it. Mexico took the bait, lost, and then got conned by money hungry politicians(both American and Mexican). Details galore are missing but pointing out the intricacies on a decaying apple does not make it more an apple.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 04:03 | Link to Comment Balanced Integer
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Only if Mexico also agrees to pay back the gold dollars we gave them at the end of the war, nominally to pay for the land we took from Mexico at the end of the war. That was $15 million...in gold. $484,256,731 today in inflation adjusted dollars. We also took on $3.5 million in debts owed by the Mexican government to US citizens.

All told, it would be one hell of a deal for Mexico. Seven American states for less than a half-billion dollars? Then again, does Mexico even have a half-billion dollars in gold to pay us back, plus reasonable interest? And of course, we should demand a premium to recoup the massive investment that we have made in developing those seven states. Cities, highways, housing, farmland, irrigation, etc.

You know what? F*ck 'em. If they want it all back, how about they just send their army north and take it from us? To the victor goes the spoils, and we are currently still the victors...until such time as they do something to change that simple fact.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 04:23 | Link to Comment Simplifiedfrisbee
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The truth shall always be the truth. I reject the hatred spewed because it is within the person to acknowledge the sin and repent from. That is your calling but the anger is not others to share. Every human seeks GOoD and without GOoD we have no peace. We can only find good in GOD. This is a prime example of being easily divided between two false paradigms to build up the ego. Everyone who picks the lesser of two evils loses when the time of passing from the body arrives. Anger will not help then. The truth is not found in war. Let the dead bury the dead. Let the alive seek Christ. Read Luke Ch. 9 verse 51. One can not take what is not his/hers. Christ will take what is his.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:26 | Link to Comment DOT
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meh.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 07:47 | Link to Comment Escapedgoat
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Is this a private fight?............... and can anyone join in?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:15 | Link to Comment wisehiney
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The mexicans granted land to the "Anglos" to use them as a buffer between the Commanche, Apache and Navaho who were terrorizing them out of the American Southwest. The Texans had to whip the Indians and the back stabbing mexicans at the same time.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:32 | Link to Comment Sketch
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so - the 'mexicans' apparently 'stole' the land from the indians?? WTF? where were the pakistanis during all this?? and what about the myans? this is mass hysteria I tell you... cats and dogs, sleeping together... hell in a handbasket...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:20 | Link to Comment notadouche
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Have you ever read any history that tells how the  US government did not steal Texas from Mexico.  In fact Texas had to fight for her independence with the deciding battle pitting Santa Anna vs Sam Houston in April of 1836 at the Battle of San Jacinto.  The victory led to the legal formation of a new nation known as The Republic of Texas and it wasn't until 1845 that the US after some years of debate finally but reluctantly voted to annex the Republic of Texas.  Then the Republic of Texas voted to accept on certain conditions  making it the 26th state of the union.  

Now Mexico was still pissed and warned the US that annexation would mean war but it would be some kind of twisted spin to claim the US stole Texas from Mexico.  Once the Mexican American War broke out, the war Mexico sought then all the gloves were off and to the victor goes the spoils.  

But don't let the facts get in the way of the story you want to tell.  I don't know the history of Arizona and California but if you took "poetic license" with those states history like you did Texas history then you may want to "rediscover" history, you know for a little bit of accuracy.   Some intellectual integrity along with basic facts go a long way in helping someone further whatever agenda they may have.  Mostly though, facts tend to get in the way which is why they are glossed over or ignored entirely.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 02:18 | Link to Comment Bananamerican
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Hey Nobody....did you know Mexico "owned" CA for all of 26 years (when it was populated by a few ranchos, padres, and mules upon independance from Spain?) Ancestral Aztlan homeland my ass

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 02:25 | Link to Comment TyrannoSoros Wrecks
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And the Mexicans (Conquistadors) stole it from the injuns. Or did you think Spanish is the native tongue of the Mayans?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 06:17 | Link to Comment Blano
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Somebody had it before the Mexicans, you stupid fuck.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:30 | Link to Comment nobodyimportant
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I WAS AN EMPLOYER - not my job to determine who has the right to work. 

Was raided by immigration and told those without papers could get welfare - they could just not work for me.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:29 | Link to Comment Obese-Redneck
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Bullshit, complete bullshit

 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:39 | Link to Comment nobodyimportant
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Why did you want to work for elite fucks anyway?

You don't like it start your own business and find out how to meet a payroll every week.

Or just bitch about employers as you cash your weekly check.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:49 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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??    Do you practice at missing the point?

The owners of the contractors I worked for were not 'elites'.

They were business owners. 

I'm just sayin', not bitchin', you syphilitic dog-fucking puke.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:03 | Link to Comment nobodyimportant
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Yes , if you have no senible retort then resort to insults and profanity.  Raises your IQ above room temperture.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 04:07 | Link to Comment Balanced Integer
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His retort was quite sensible. The insult at the end was merely the icing on the cake.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:44 | Link to Comment Raymond K Hessel
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Is anyone else wondering why a construction worker would be posting on a blog about finance, economics and politics?

If you're advocating for a workers revolt, you're in the wrong part of the internets and world wide webs.  

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 13:42 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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"Is anyone else wondering why a construction worker would be posting on a blog about finance, economics and politics?"

I'm not "advocating" for anything but your fucking snobbery.

I was an electrician, foreman and general foreman, and now I'm retired. 

I enjoyed building things.  I enjoy learning.

Go fuck yourself.

 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 02:24 | Link to Comment PT
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nobodyimportant re "Why did you want to work for elite fucks anyway?  You don't like it start your own business and find out how to meet a payroll every week.  Or just bitch about employers as you cash your weekly check." :

Well if you hate being a boss so much, feel free to be an employee instead.

Sorry.  I couldn't resist. 

But you're right, we forgot to think about collateral damage.  Not all bosses are letting illegals into the country.  Only the "elite" ones ... 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:12 | Link to Comment HardAssets
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Its just another of their moves to push a north american union  & destroy national sovereignty. Another step on to global government and the NWO.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:33 | Link to Comment honestann
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Anyone can work without e-verify if they are an independent contractor.  Do you imagine lettuce farmers don't know?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 07:49 | Link to Comment Colonel Walter ...
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FYI - You are not an independent contractor just because you say so. If you do not control your working hours, where you work and how you accomplish your task, then you are actually an employee. Companies that try to skirt the rules will miss-classify you as an independent worker (i.e. 1099) so they do not have to pay all the tax/regulation burden of an employee. This miss-classification practice and those willing to work on a 1099 basis (I know most are not willing, but it is probably there only choice with the way things are going) are causing massive problems in the labor market. This is one of the reasons for stagnant wage growth/deflation in labor wages. We will all be working for Home Depot,  Staples or Starbucks soon.     

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:38 | Link to Comment DOT
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Take a look at your State's use of LTEs, consultants, and low wage interns; here in WI the state institutions abuse employment rules more than building trades or agriculture. If you are "undocumented" just enroll at a University (diversity counts!) and you can get a State job. No benefits. Shitty pay. The new "pathway to dependancy" as a soon to be citizen.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:58 | Link to Comment PT
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I agree 100% Ignatius.  Other side of the world, same BS. 

EDIT Ref: "... Illegals work in this country because the elite fucks want 'em here..."
The comments are coming in quick today.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:10 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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US Foreign Propaganda Offered for Domestic Use

FR Doc. 2013-14505 Filed 07/01/2013 at 8:45 am; Publication Date: 07/02/2013

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:11 | Link to Comment nobodyimportant
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So glad I have permanent residency privilege in another country.

 

 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:14 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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I guess the good news is, if it has to be "tamper-proof", it cannot exist.

Interesting little conundrum for the SCOTUS.  While we carve bone flutes in the detention camps.....

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:19 | Link to Comment Boop
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...not to mention that there is provision in the Senate bill of an entry/exit visa system. It's supposed to be for non-citizens - to prove they've left should they wish to apply for a green card or citizenship, but the exit part still freaks me out.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:19 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Everyone to have "666" via E-Verify; when do the RFID chips get implanted by mandate?

"666" Bitchez.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:21 | Link to Comment knukles
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I claim religious exception....

 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:27 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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DHS:  "Well Mr. knukles, if you want to see your doctor or get SS or not have your IRA confiscated and not be in a FEMA camp in the swamps of Louisiana you will have to let us implant this wafer thin RFID identifier in your forehead."

I'll be dead or on the other side of the planet but I wish you luck. 

You may need to become Muslim to have it work.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:29 | Link to Comment Go Tribe
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Mama got a burkha?

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:41 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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yeah- but she only wears it for role playing night (I dress up like Bin Laden)

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:51 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Oooh!

"Durka!  Durka!  Mohammed Jihad!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OwFeYlY9GU

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:01 | Link to Comment Colonel Klink
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Sexual terrist, I know the role well.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 03:18 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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NWO will bring E-Verify + RFID chip (with your Biometrics) + SDR currency --> "666" scenario.

Those who refuse, will be put to (economic) death, and 'live' off grid or in FEMA camps.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:49 | Link to Comment Raymond K Hessel
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Exactly.

The original meaning of the word outlaw didn't apply to criminals.  It meant that you were outside the protection of the law.

All contracts with an outlaw were voided and unenforceable.  If you killed or assaulted an outlaw, you couldn't be charged with a crime.  In many ways, illegal aliens and prostitutes are outlaws, with no hope of protection under the law.

Once your NWO scenario of economic death and off-grid living becomes reality, many people will become outlaws. I hope it doesn't happen. 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:57 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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the Romans called it homo sacer.

if you can swallow speedball philosophy without chocking on the crackrock, Zizek wrote an excellent essay on the concept and its modern implications in 2003 here.

Is there a stronger contrast than the one between the respect for the Other's vulnerability and the reduction of the Other to "mere life" regulated by the administrative knowledge?

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:21 | Link to Comment BigInJapan
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I'll bet you 10 bucks that the Democrats will make Goddamn well sure that this E-Verify fuckery will be required for everything except voting.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:22 | Link to Comment knukles
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TROOF!!!!!

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:57 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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EBT/Food Stamps, driving, pissing, buying toilet paper, fried chicken, phone calls, tobacco and alcohol purchases - to start.

They are setting everyone up for the collapse and denial; mass confusion, management of opinion.  Fourth Reich (er...Pogrom?).

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:57 | Link to Comment KickIce
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You can bet your ass that some corporations will be made exempt, just like the health care bill.  As mentioned before, nothing to do with immigration, everything to do with control.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:21 | Link to Comment IndyPat
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Oh goodie. More bullshit from above.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:24 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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I know that now when you renew a US resident card, you are required to have an Iris scan. And the cost is $475 for the renewed card. 10 years ago, it cost less than $100 to renew your card.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:25 | Link to Comment IndyPat
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"E-Papiere, Bitter!"

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:30 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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Wake up call!

But Americans will always hit the snooze button...

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:32 | Link to Comment tony bonn
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e-verify is another nazi act supported by the nazi president and nazi congress and nazi supreme soviet....i mean court...

if you vote democrat, you are a nazi.

if you vote republican, you are a nazi.

election officials cannot demand proof of citizenship, but employer-nazis must demand it. anyone who belongs to vote or die is a cunt.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:43 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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if you vote NSDAP are you a nazi?

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:32 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Meanwhile, Jeremy Siegel on Larry Kudlow wagging his tongue and flashing his googly spectacled orbs of confusion at the tele.

When you realize that clueless fucks like him are the very stripe of wankers in charge in government you know we are FUCKED.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:33 | Link to Comment The Invisible Foot
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TERK UR JERBS!

Love ya Ron

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:35 | Link to Comment loveyajimbo
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A simple solution is to mandate that E-Verify accept State issued ID... I thought that was supposed to be "tamper-proof" already...

 

Two simple things necessary to solve the illegal issue... mandate E-Verify, with State ID aceeptable, and imposing 2 year mandatory minimum prison for violations... and... ending ALL aid to illegals... that means ALL benefits of ANY kind, including citizenship for foals dropped by illegals, and yes, emergency healthcare.  Who cares if they stay as long as we don't pay them anything, or hire them??

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:54 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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You kiddin'?

The "illegals" will have special e-verify cards, so the employers can pay them shit and the Churches can ask them for more money.

And...so the false dichotomy political parties can try and curry their votes; and trips to emergency rooms are right-off's for taxes for corporate hospitals, and bigger numbers in classrooms so administrators can get bigger salaries, and they can get more WIC (Food Stamp) at WalMart and the Pharmacy counter.

Breaking the law is how you make money bro', that is the game, Government/Corporate Mafia.

If you are a decent regular law abiding person you are FUCKED.

Period.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:35 | Link to Comment expres12
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Well then. Let's keep the e-verify system that is currently in place and doesn't require a national id card. Implement it's use immediately instead of the proposed 4 years down the road. The current e-verify system may not be perfect but it works and it's easy and cheap.  In fact anyone can e-verify themselves for free. To do so, go here...

http://tinyurl.com/yslx4b

The self check option is on the left, at the top.

 

 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:38 | Link to Comment loveyajimbo
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Obunga FAILED the Federal firearms background check... wonder if he could pass E-Verify??

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:40 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Circle yer wagons! Obama's comin' to git ya!

So what really do you dislike more, illegal immigrunts, or having to put up with what it takes to address the problem of illegal immigrunts?

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 23:55 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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the immigration laws are on the books but they choose to ignore them.this is just a ploy for a national id card that were shooting for after 9-11 but failed.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:02 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Didn't I just hear that deportations during the Obama administration were at an all time high???

Here, let me google that for you:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=deportations+up+under+obama

Yean, I know, it is nothing but a liberal media conspiracy...

I'm sorry, is this really about a National ID card?

Do you have a passport? Just asking....

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 00:41 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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uhhh- yeah- how else am I going to get to Chile to meet Simon Black for hella cool heli-skiing?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 01:02 | Link to Comment KickIce
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Then why do we need more laws?

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