Ron Paul: "If You Like The Surveillance State, You’ll Love E-Verify"

Tyler Durden's picture

Submitted by Ron Paul via The Free Foundation blog,

From massive NSA spying, to IRS targeting of the administration's political opponents, to collection and sharing of our health care information as part of Obamacare, it seems every day we learn of another assault on our privacy. Sadly, this week the Senate took another significant, if little-noticed, step toward creating an authoritarian surveillance state. Buried in the immigration bill is a national identification system called mandatory E-Verify.

The Senate did not spend much time discussing E-Verify, and what little discussion took place was mostly bipartisan praise for its effectiveness as a tool for preventing illegal immigrants from obtaining employment. It is a tragedy that mandatory E-Verify is not receiving more attention, as it will impact nearly every American’s privacy and liberty.

The mandatory E-Verify system requires Americans to carry a “tamper-proof” social security card. Before they can legally begin a job, American citizens will have to show the card to their prospective employer, who will then have to verify their identity and eligibility to hold a job in the US by running the information through the newly-created federal E-Verify database. The database will contain photographs taken from passport files and state driver's licenses. The law gives federal bureaucrats broad discretion in adding other “biometric” identifiers to the database. It also gives the bureaucracy broad authority to determine what features the “tamper proof” card should contain.

Regardless of one’s views on immigration, the idea that we should have to ask permission from the federal government before taking a job ought to be offensive to all Americans. Under this system, many Americans will be denied the opportunity for work. The E-Verify database will falsely identify thousands as "ineligible," forcing many to lose job opportunities while challenging government computer inaccuracies. E-Verify will also impose additional compliance costs on American businesses, at a time when they are struggling with Obamacare implementation and other regulations.

According to David Bier of Competitive Enterprise Institute, there is nothing stopping the use of E-Verify for purposes unrelated to work verification, and these expanded uses could be authorized by agency rule-making or executive order. So it is not inconceivable that, should this bill pass, the day may come when you are not be able to board an airplane or exercise your second amendment rights without being run through the E-Verify database. It is not outside the realm of possibility that the personal health care information that will soon be collected by the IRS and shared with other federal agencies as part of Obamacare will also be linked to the E-Verify system.

Those who dismiss these concerns as paranoid should consider that the same charges were leveled at those who warned that the PATRIOT Act could lead to the government collecting our phone records and spying on our Internet usage. Just as the PATRIOT Act was only supposed to be used against terrorists but is now used to bypass constitutional protections in matters having noting to do with terrorism or national security, the national ID/mandatory E-Verify database will not only be used to prevent illegal immigrants from gaining employment. Instead, it will eventually be used as another tool to monitor and control the American people.

The recent revelations of the extent of National Security Agency (NSA) spying on Americans, plus recent stories of IRS targeting Tea Party and similar groups for special scrutiny, demonstrates the dangers of trusting government with this type of power. Creation of a federal database with photos and possibly other “biometric” information about American citizens is a great leap forward for the surveillance state. All Americans who still care about limited government and individual liberty should strongly oppose E-Verify.

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disabledvet's picture

we're trying. we'r losing.

knukles's picture

Goodbye Natural Law, freedom, serentiy, sanity....
Shred them Documents...
Everything came and went inside of 200 years...


PS, Isn't there a rumor floating about regarding a lawsuit in which some very famous person's SSN doesn't jive with E-Verify, currently?

otto skorzeny's picture

how famous? like most-powerful-kenyan-on-the-earth famous?

DeadFred's picture

The bill has special exeptions for Reptilian symbionts. Iy's very hard to get good biometric data when hybrid organisms are involved.

TwoShortPlanks's picture

I said there wasn't much point confiscating Gold in America...I was wrong; they're coming for everything, including your soul.

Better to fight the battle now than when they're ready to fight.

But it's like the Wizard of Oz, no courage, no brains, and no heart...only curtains.

fockewulf190's picture

Expect an explosion of homeless, bigger gangs and more crime. Then comes another wave of gun purchases and another run on ammo. Then comes the howling from the public for more police, more jails. Then comes the hikes in taxes to pay for it all...and more howling. Then comes another push for amnesty...and more howling. Then comes more gridlock.
Then comes.....

johnQpublic's picture

will e-verify be tied to SNAP cards?

will you need to be verified to collect .gov benefits?





your dry cleaning?

GeezerGeek's picture

We can be fairly certain of one area to which it will not be applied: VOTING.

Voting by dead people, non-citizens, and multiple-vote-casters would be severely hampered by using e-verify, therefore those controlling the poll results will not allow it.

It is curious, however, to note that the same politicians who oppose picture IDs for voters will support same for everything else. 

Imminent Crucible's picture

This "electronic verification" concept is not new. I was prevented from boarding a plane several years ago because my other name--a very common one--belonged to someone on the No Fly list. It took a while to get that straightened out.

So beware if you're a Robert Johnson or a Jack Smith or a Martín Rodriguez. Somebody with your name is a suspect, and that makes you suspect.

cifo's picture

All famous people are incorporated. They don't need e-verify to get employment.

WillyGroper's picture

OT, but relative. A friend's elderly mother just had a hysterectomy due to cancer. She was given a 3 page document requesting permission to share her biopsy info for research purposes. Further into the document it stated that the biopsy results could be used against her & her relatives for the purpose of insurance revokation & loss of employment. 

Guess this is what's going to make the ACA affordable.

pods's picture

I love the smell of Eugenics in the morning.


prains's picture

This is all going down as the precursor to the reset. Don't know if they have it date stamped yet but they know it's coming and this is the "getting the ducks in a row" phase. When this thing goes bat shit, all this shit gets rolled out buffet style just hows yous likes it

Seize Mars's picture


"...some very famous person's SSN doesn't jive with E-Verify, currently?"

The man commonly referred to as "Barack Hussein Obama" has listed on his tax returns a social security number which was originally issued to someone called Harrison J. Bounel, who was born in Connecticut.


auntiesocial's picture

I am not always stealing souls, but when I do, I use the E-verify system. 

Terra-Firma's picture

in Canada that card is called your S.I.N. (no pun intended). Stands for social security number.

Dr. Sandi's picture

Actually stands for Social Insurance Number. (No pun intended.)

HardAssets's picture

Didnt Ron Paul warn about having to 'show your papers' and that the fence they are building is to keep Americans in ?  

Welcome to the full blown Nazi nation.

Of course, most Americans are too apathetic and stupid to see it.

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

Obamacare and E-Verify are leading the USA down the road to Hell.  I did not vote for him.  I wanted Ron Paul as well for the R-Team.  

America got what it wanted (Obama).  America got what it deserved (Obama).

otto skorzeny's picture

don't lump me in w/ your last 2 sentences.

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

America as a whole, otto.  I too am an American.  We (America) got what we deserved.  Yes we did!

g speed's picture

fuck you---I do not deserve this vile shit --never try to speak for other people you ass hole---you're like the gov't telling me this or that like I'm guilty or you get to judge---you and your ilk are the problem --fucking know it all. 


Imminent Crucible's picture

"you and your ilk are the problem--fuck you, you fucking fucker fuckety-fuck!"

Get a grip, dude. DoChen ain't the problem. The problem is the giant global crime syndicate that Obama fronts for in D.C., with other puppets in other power centers.

Whether you like it or not, Americans in the aggregate--and that includes you and me--are getting the results of this monstrosity whether we voted for it or not.  While you're assholing everyone, the tentacles are growing and spreading. You don't have time for snarling and sniping. You'd better get your affairs in order at home.

howenlink's picture

If Snowden hadn't held a press conference, this thread would have gotten 532 comments, dammit.

IdiocracyIsAlreadyHere's picture

That you voted for the R-Team only means you voted for a slightly different brand of fascism.  Ron Paul was the only (superficially) member of that team that was anything other than a hard core authoritarian with different branding.  Get a clue.

NidStyles's picture

You must be new here, he was making a more subtle point through sarcasm and asshattery.

Obese-Redneck's picture

First they bitch about all the illegals takin' their god given jobs.  Then they bitch when they set up a fool proof way to throw them over the wall.  In between they set up straw men left and right about sob stories and health care, not to mention religious crap.

Raymond K Hessel's picture

We are like the Germans in the early Thirties. I used to wonder how Germans got swept up with fascism.  Not any more.

GeezerGeek's picture

Those of us who believe in the Bible - which incidentally does not include all who call themselves Christians - might surmise that God has finally decided He's had enough. He turned his back to the apostate Jews and sent them into exile. He might likewise have decided that the nation that once sang "God shed his grace on thee" but now asks blessings upon Planned Parenthood is not worth protecting from its own follies.


Boxed Merlot's picture who believe in the Bible...God has finally decided He's had enough...



"Just as it is written,

'For Your sake we are being put to death all day long;
We were considered as sheep to be slaughtered.'

 But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer…”

Excerpted Paul’s letter to the Romans NASB



MachoMan's picture

If so, then fuck god in the ass with a big rubber dildo...

IdiocracyIsAlreadyHere's picture

And those of us who don't believe in the Bible find your angry skydaddy who you believe punishes those who don't pay him proper obescience with eternal torture appalling and sickening.  You find this perfectly A-OK are not much better.  Get off the stupidity of the idea the your god is "punishing" America (screw the whole collective, huh?) for something as inane as supporting planned parenthood and take care of your own life.  There are not enough down arrows I could give you.

Edmon Plume's picture

Without God, you lose all categories of right and wrong.  If God doesn't exist, you are just meat.  There's nothing special about anyone.  Man is just a random assemblage of atoms, and has as much worth as a dogpile.  Ironically, that is exactly the line that PP pushes, except they think themselves the anointed ones to decide who is and is not valuable.  It's embarrassing that a site like ZH has so many who despise the government for "playing God" but who give PP - supported by US tax dollars - a big golden ticket to ride.  WTH?

God gives you a chance for redemption and mercy, regardless of your past - try getting that kind of mercy from any government, past or present.

MachoMan's picture

I thought the objectivists put the final nail in the coffin of the notion of morality only through diety (although it was probably over long before)...  apparently there are still desperate torch bearers. 

Here's a simple line of questioning, how does it make you feel when you come home and find that someone has broken into your home, stolen your items, and raped your daughter?  Do you think that people who do not believe in god would feel any differently than you about the situation?  What does god have to offer in this situation that we don't already know?

PS, many of the same people who believe that man is just a random assemblage of atoms also have the utmost reverence for life...  you might say it's because they can truly appreciate how special it is. 

tradebot's picture

All you jokers that waisted your vote on RP to teach them Republicans a lesson has now back fired.  Look what you have now.  I doubt the contender would have gone this far.  Quit your bitchin and take you medicine (dumb ass).

knukles's picture

Talking about that "fence"
I was watching some vids that were filmed along the southern border and strangely enough, the top of the fence in many of the shots showed the wire leaning "in" toward the US side.

Say what about keeping whom where?

Keep your eyes open.

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

I did not see the videos, so I cannot be an authority, but I can tell you that in Latin America, having barbs and spikes pointing both INWARD and OUTWARD is more challenging for a wall-climber...  In Peru we have our spikes pointing out and in.  Burglars have to be pretty good to get through that...

DOT's picture

History lesson: all border defences must have the ability to pivot 180o as the French learned at Maginot.

johnQpublic's picture

i saw a video with a vehicle stuck on top of that fence....they were trying to drive over on ramps and high centered


any wall can be surmounted with thought and effort

tango's picture

Of course, most Americans are too apathetic and stupid to see it.

I see things like this all the time on ZH from commentators seemingly frustrated that Americans have not taken to the streets.   Folks don't see it  not because they are stupid or apatehtic but because (for example) sites like ZH operate, routinely bashing their government, leaders and national policies without fear of repurcussion. 

Many European nations (we've been in Scandanavia for some time) have such papers and think nothing about them because they are used for identification purposes only.  Intent is the key.  Why do we accept the idea of driver's license as an ID but balk at SS cards?  Because we want to ensure that drivers are qualified.  (I know, I know).  Today, SS cards can be stolen and/or used easily because they are not directly tied to one person. (Third year in a row someone has used ours while filing Turbotax.  

If the new ID was simply an identification object that was tied to an individual it could not be stolen or misused.  My worry (of course) is the same as the Patriot Act.  All it took was one person to actually go as far as the law permits.

g speed's picture

you are so backward--socialist slave--    the need is to realize that drivers licences should be done away with --not make SS cards like drivers liciences--duh--people like you are so programed that they can't even think clearly-- what the fuck is wrong with people---oh- the TV must be on in your house--

Obese-Redneck's picture

He/she makes great points and is not backward at all.  Socialist slave?  doubt it.

Libertarian777's picture

I NEVER understand comments like this, ESPECIALLY from people living in Europe.

WWII was a mere 70 years ago, and yet everyone forgets that the jews were marked with armbands. Do you really think giving a government the power to track you (via RFID) by forcing you to carry an ID card, and thus forever knowing your gender, biometric info, height, weight etc at all times. It would have made the Nazis a thousand fold more efficient at eliminating people. Soon 'consitutionalists', 'libertarians', 'independents', 'asians', 'muslims', 'rednecks', 'straight people' etc. will be fined/taxed/arrested for some arbitrary felony.

Think it can't happen again? Have a look at the right wing parties gaining power in Greece, Germany and a host of other countries.

Sure OBAMA 'might' not use this power he grants himself, but will it stop the NEXT president or the one beyond that from exercising these unconstitutional powers?

There is a saying, if you cannot be trusted with the small things how can you be trusted with the big things?

Applying that to government, if we can't even trust the IRS to solely collect taxes, then how the FUCK can we trust the government with E-Verify, NSA snooping, the drug war, Syria intervention, Iran nuclear bomb-claims etc?