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Ron Paul: "If You Like The Surveillance State, You’ll Love E-Verify"
Submitted by Ron Paul via The Free Foundation blog,
From massive NSA spying, to IRS targeting of the administration's political opponents, to collection and sharing of our health care information as part of Obamacare, it seems every day we learn of another assault on our privacy. Sadly, this week the Senate took another significant, if little-noticed, step toward creating an authoritarian surveillance state. Buried in the immigration bill is a national identification system called mandatory E-Verify.
The Senate did not spend much time discussing E-Verify, and what little discussion took place was mostly bipartisan praise for its effectiveness as a tool for preventing illegal immigrants from obtaining employment. It is a tragedy that mandatory E-Verify is not receiving more attention, as it will impact nearly every American’s privacy and liberty.
The mandatory E-Verify system requires Americans to carry a “tamper-proof” social security card. Before they can legally begin a job, American citizens will have to show the card to their prospective employer, who will then have to verify their identity and eligibility to hold a job in the US by running the information through the newly-created federal E-Verify database. The database will contain photographs taken from passport files and state driver's licenses. The law gives federal bureaucrats broad discretion in adding other “biometric” identifiers to the database. It also gives the bureaucracy broad authority to determine what features the “tamper proof” card should contain.
Regardless of one’s views on immigration, the idea that we should have to ask permission from the federal government before taking a job ought to be offensive to all Americans. Under this system, many Americans will be denied the opportunity for work. The E-Verify database will falsely identify thousands as "ineligible," forcing many to lose job opportunities while challenging government computer inaccuracies. E-Verify will also impose additional compliance costs on American businesses, at a time when they are struggling with Obamacare implementation and other regulations.
According to David Bier of Competitive Enterprise Institute, there is nothing stopping the use of E-Verify for purposes unrelated to work verification, and these expanded uses could be authorized by agency rule-making or executive order. So it is not inconceivable that, should this bill pass, the day may come when you are not be able to board an airplane or exercise your second amendment rights without being run through the E-Verify database. It is not outside the realm of possibility that the personal health care information that will soon be collected by the IRS and shared with other federal agencies as part of Obamacare will also be linked to the E-Verify system.
Those who dismiss these concerns as paranoid should consider that the same charges were leveled at those who warned that the PATRIOT Act could lead to the government collecting our phone records and spying on our Internet usage. Just as the PATRIOT Act was only supposed to be used against terrorists but is now used to bypass constitutional protections in matters having noting to do with terrorism or national security, the national ID/mandatory E-Verify database will not only be used to prevent illegal immigrants from gaining employment. Instead, it will eventually be used as another tool to monitor and control the American people.
The recent revelations of the extent of National Security Agency (NSA) spying on Americans, plus recent stories of IRS targeting Tea Party and similar groups for special scrutiny, demonstrates the dangers of trusting government with this type of power. Creation of a federal database with photos and possibly other “biometric” information about American citizens is a great leap forward for the surveillance state. All Americans who still care about limited government and individual liberty should strongly oppose E-Verify.
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Could it be a job creation program for lawyers?
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All Iraqis and Afghans who launch attacks on US forces for invading their country for no rhyme or reason are terrorists. Similarly all Americans who expose the attempts of the political administration to curb human rights and privacy of the majority of the population are branded as traitors.
Welcome to new age democracy.
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Ahem...I prefer Rebel Forces
What country will send aid and arms to help us rid ourselves of our technodictatorship?
French prolly have their hands full this go round....
We're not just marching toward tyranny. We're running to it at breakneck speed.
The process of applying for a job is already highly invasive and includes such things as a credit check, a criminal background check, a reference check, a former address check, a driver's license check, and a drug test in some cases. When you add up the totality of these things, it amounts to surveillance in and of itself.
Now, with E-Verify, there's the grand possiblity of collecting all data about a person in one central database. Just picture a database that contains the following information about you:
Now, think of what a government agency with all that information could do with it. Answer? Anything!
We (Americans) won't have to worry about getting a job much longer.....the labor participation rate in this country is already at a 40 year low and continuing to fall. Pretty soon we'll all have gubbamint supplied EBT cards.
No wonder Putin is calling the USA friends. We are going to where the USSR used to be.
It didn't take long to fool most of the people did it?
I hope Obama faces an overwhelming boo during his next speach. I can't stand the man. Let him see what it is like to have Americans jeer him away from his podium. He needs to be brought down from his perch as he is signing all these laws.
Why do we need E-Verify when they can just give out a phone number to PRISM. It will already know who you are trying to verify.
is it so bad to have global tyranny ?
who cares what hAppens to the people, most of the posts are denigrating the american public anyway , so what is the point of trying to save the country if the people are so useless to begin with
I think it is over
What's everyone worried about, there's no jobs left.
sarc/
The problem with e-verify is that it will try to stop the US from becoming a one party state. Can't let that happen now, can we? :(
Aren't we already in verifiable the minute you receive your taxable income?
Revolution seems inevitable at this point. I guess the FED banksters think they will come out of it ok, but my suspicion is that a lot realize they have no way to be certain and will start to fracture their solidarity as things progress.
Not as long as they keep sports and reality shows on the idiot box. It will take a currency colapse or WW3 to aqaken us.
In other words, people will awake when they see the hypersonic blast heading towards them from the nearest nuclear blast. Hmmm, this might be one case where "better late than never" doesn't apply.
Since the majority of people here seem to blame the bought-and-paid-for politicians such as Obama, etc. I'd agree with q99x2 that the FED bankers will be alright. The true centers of power play a well oiled game of misdirection. The chump politicians can be peeled off and blamed instantly by the owners of the 5 media groups in the world. And most people wil believe what they see on TV and not question a single thing.
The MATRIX is alive and well on planet earth.
Great news! Everyone works for themselves! Hurray!
Actually, my comment is less than half sarcastic. Given the unlimited abuse implemented via "employment", it is absolutely true that everyone who remains within the USSA should indeed work for themself. Furthermore, if you need work done, contract self-employed contractors.
If humans had any brains, they'd leave the USSA. But if for some reason a human with brains chooses to remain within the evil empire, they absolutely should remain self-employed [and appear to be unemployed].
Also, by the way, these government databases are also a great reason to take full responsibility for your own health care, including the very important step of switching to natural herbs and remedies that do not require prescription. Otherwise the record of prescription drugs you have taken over your lifetime will be held against you in many ways, including consideration for work.
Principle #1 in the modern era: never live where you are citizen!
You are a hustler, dishonest ann, wage slave, best off in any totalitarian state which pays you to be a wage slave...or just another apparatchik.
Never live where you are a citizen? Yeah, right, slut. Best you live where you are a subject...owned by any master who you will promise 'love you long time' ...until you empty his bank balance and scam onwards.
I've been self-employed since I was in high-school. No, scratch that, since elementary school when I mowed lawns, shoveled snow off driveways, and did babysitting in the neighborhood. All summed up I was an employee for less than 1 year in my entire life, and all that during high-school age.
So you have no idea what you're talking about.
You are also quite deluded about my comment "live where you are not citizen". It is a FACT that every government considers its own citizens to be their slaves, and treats them that way. In contrast, if you vacation or live in foreign countries (no matter where you are citizen), the countries you visit almost always treat you as an honored guest (to varying degrees), because they figure you are spending money from outside their country into their economy... which is usually true.
You are simply WRONG to claim that a human being in a foreign country is MORE a slave, or MORE owned than inside the country of their citizenship. You are just WRONG as a matter of simple, easily observable, easily verifiable fact.
I am not a slave anywhere. I am not a subject anywhere. I do not consent to be governed, by anyone, anywhere, anytime, ever.
I have no idea why you make assumptions about me that are 100% opposite the truth.
And you certainly have no idea where I am "best off", and any claim you do know exposes you as someone who just makes up whatever nonsense you wish without any evidence whatsoever.
You can be judged by your words, not your later explanations, excusing your original intent to demoralise others, and help yourself to better things ... made by those who employ your sort, yet you pull up the ladder behind you.
Your words show that you are a wasteful sociopath, using those above and below you in your version of the world. Egotist.
Dishonest ann.
do I really have to defend honestann here? she appears to me as... congruent. with a very individualistic point of view, to the extent that she often says that all groups and group denominations are just figments of the imagination (which up to a point is correct - though she neglects to realize that our brains are "wired" to make group affiliations - we are receptive from birth to groups like tribes, families, etc.)
she is a bit like a bear preaching to the wolfes that they should abandon their pack life, that the pack is just an illusion. so perhaps "egotist", but up to now I don't see where you could stick that "dishonest"
be honest yourself: yours and my view of "citizenship" - an ideal, if you want - is not shared by everyone, particularly not here on ZH
Ghordius,
Dishonest ann pulls up the ladder after she has profited from those below her and above her, judging by her proclamations.
Quite like the EUSSR, so it is understandable that you want to defend her version of the world.
Your sort and dishonest ann are egotists who grift off others, and whine to be special.
No more money or tax for your sort as time goes by. Your version of the world is ending. You deserve each other.
You made nothing. You simply over charged for your meagre services.
not quite, her version of the world is imho nearly... solipsistic. made out of personal singularities who only meet everyone 1:1
my vision is that of citizens, in balanced republics that respect democratic principles and the rule of law, and which may engage in confederations (I understand that for her this is all imaginary groupings, a kind of popular madness)
so her version of the world is really incompatible with mine - though I find that mine should find a way to accomodate hers
"You made nothing"? don't know why you go off that tangent - both honestann and I are/were self-employed. I'm an entrepreneur and I understand she is that, too
Ghordius,
It is time for Republics to be brave, rather than humour 'useful idiots' and 'educated fools'.
I do not care why someone tramples on someone else. I only care to stop them trampling on someone else. Mutual respect is true. Excusing egotism is wrong, imo. If we keep excusing egotists, then there will be no good society, ever. Not ever.
Like most people, you have no idea what ego is. The term has been destroyed in the common mind after decades or centuries of propaganda. Let me tell you what ego is, and what ego is not.
The only real ego is an honest identification by an individual of their value. To be honest, this must include their weaknesses as well as their strengths. So, for example, my "ego" is a combination of me accurately identifying what I am good at, as well as the endless things I am no good at.
I should note one thing about ego. If you have no idea how to identify value, or what are strengths and weaknesses, you have no way to know how to live your life in any real, honest, productive manner. This should be obvious --- only when you can identify what is good and bad can you focus your time, effort, energy, attention and resources on improving your goodness (productive abilities), as well as improving your weakness (lack of productive abilities and destructive practices). Therefore, someone who trashes the notion of ego guarantees bad results, for themselves and for others.
Now I'll tell you what ego is not. Ego is not caring what others think about you, or how popular you are. What others think or feel is nothing about you, that is only about them. If some horrific scumbag has a great PR campaign and convinces everyone they are the most wonderful being in the universe, that has nothing to do with anything except their PR campaign, which might be nothing but a pack of lies, and might be primarily dependent upon the skill of their PR agents and techniques.
Yet this is what most people imagine ego is, a desire for others to think they are cool, good, stylish, popular or some other positive trait. Thus this kind of ego is utterly and completely false - it cares not about value, it cares only about how positive you manage to make others think about you.
Bottom line: The fact is, ego is important... necessary even. What people call "egotistical" is something else, and in fact something completely opposite in the subject it refers to.
Note that my ego is whatever it is completely independent of what everyone else in the universe happens to think about me. And ditto for everyone else. Remember, ego is self-evaluation. What other people think is something else, something I intentionally don't give a damn about. Why? Because that would make me a slave to everyone else --- I'd have to live my life to impress others, not to be good, honest, ethical, productive or anything actually good. If you want to call that "egotistical", go ahead, but that term is now an abuse of the root term "ego". The appropriate term for my attitude is honest, realistic, individualistic.
Here is a mind-experiment to help you understand. Somehow I land on Mars with enough equipment to establish a self-sufficient existence for the rest of my life. A few months later something really bad happens to earth, killing every other human being in the universe. I can assure you that I would still have ego, because I would still be keenly aware that my survival and comfort blatantly depend on how good I am at those intellectual and physical endeavors that matter. Obviously I don't care what others think, because nobody else exists at all. So I hope this clarifies what ego is, and what egoism is. What you might call egotistical has nothing whatsoever to do with ego, egoism, or being a capable individual. Anyone who is "egotistical" in the sense you and most people mean today is a blatant "second hander" in the sense Ayn Rand meant.
I don't blame people for characterizing my points in a simplistic manner, because most of my posts only present the main point, not the many subtle aspects. For example, I identify and complain about fictions endlessly. Probably only once in 25, 50, or maybe even 100 posts where I complain about fiction do I say "I love fiction. My life is all about fiction, because I am an inventor and everything I design and implement was fiction before I made it real. Plus, the only problem with fiction is treating them as non-fiction." I can't expect people to go back and read every post I've made in ZH, so I understand why people honestly miss these qualifications of my positions. This applies to you as well as everyone else.
Another point I make now and then is the other side of individualism, which perhaps we can call "voluntary interaction" or "collaboration". I appreciate and applaud honest, productive, voluntary, mutually beneficial collaboration --- without pretending that a collaboration between individuals creates any real new "social entity" like "society" or "corporation" or otherwise.
What I do not accept is the utterly bogus, utterly unethical notion of "involuntary interactions" like <insert name of all modern "social systems">. I do not accept that some group of 20, 50 or 100 yokels can craft a document that somehow magically gives them (and/or the real document and/or the fictitious entity it pretends to create) some real, legitimate basis to control, enslave and/or drain the time and assets from me and thousands, millions or billions of others on this planet. THAT I will never agree with, because it is involunary and fundamentally predatory.
You are correct about one thing. I have always worked for myself, even during those very short periods in my youth when I had regular employment. And what I did was absolutely productive, in both the intellectual sense but also in the physical sense. I invented scientific and technical products, then I prototyped them (built them), and established manufacturing for the marketing/manufacturing companies that licensed or purchased those designs from me. So like you, I understand what it means to be productive... really, honestly, physically productive, as well as intellecually productive.
The claim that other doofus made about me raping the system, then abandoning the system that I raped is incredibly laughable. I didn't rape any system, I was raped by [those individuals who pretend they are] the system, just like almost every highly productive individual on this planet. I never ran any financial institution or other kind of bogus enterprise where I simply bled off the assets of others. I creating things that did not exist, entirely with my own brain, my own time, my own effort, my own savings, and bearing the entire risk every single time. For him to pretend that I or you "raped the system" is so incredibly laughable and absurd that an appropriate response escapes me. In my case, I can go a bit further, since I am self-trained in every field I am expert, which means that moron can't even claim I somehow stole my knowledge from "the education system".
That "you made nothing" comment sounds an awful lot like an amazingly absurd assertion Obama made a few months ago. Perhaps that statist apologist has never made anything in his life and has no freaking idea where real goods, goodies and advances come from. The "magic" of some fiction like "government", perhaps? Sheesh.
Yes, I do evaluate every interaction and relationship on a 1-to-1 basis, because that is what I consider the only real and honest basis. I am perfectly well aware that sometimes the other one I am interacting with is behaving as they do under the false assumption that many fictions are in fact non-fiction (real). And yes, I do refuse to kneel down and submit myself to abuse just because some other individual is fundamentally and clinically insane. You are exactly correct, if that's what you mean.
I hope you understand why I wanted to keep it short - and short is the enemy of complete, and sometimes of exact
my main gist was that "your version of the world is really incompatible with mine - though I find that mine should find a way to accomodate yours" - and I mean it
are you really a woman? 'cause woman & inventor is bloody seldom, you know?
I understand. Yes, I'm female and an extreme outlier in a great many ways.
careful newengland, your constructed narrative of "wealthy white woman" (your words) of old New England family lineage
slip is showing. . .
;-) noticed that too, and puzzled me a bit
You also need to grow up, get real, and recognize that voluntary interactions between honest individuals are presumed to profit all parties involved, otherwise some of those parties would not voluntarily agree to those interactions.
You seem to hold the utterly absurd notion that in all interactions one or more parties must lose. That fundamentally ignores the fact that human beings can be productive, which means, they create goods and goodies that would not otherwise have existed. Thus we exchange value for value. And all parties profit due to the fact that specialization and division of labor is extremely efficient. Go read about these facts of reality someday.
I can assure you without any doubt whatsoever that both parties profit (benefit) in most voluntary interactions. If you buy a loaf of [not poison] bread from the store, both you and the store profit. That's a fact. If you can't figure out how that can possibly be true, you really need to go back to kindergarden level and start over again.
PS: I do not want or take any "government services". NONE of them. So to imagine that somehow we "grift" off the system is absurd. And since we refuse to be involved in involuntary interactions, the notion we somehow "grift" off others is blatantly, necessarily and fundamentally absurd.
PS: The only way anyone can overcharge for their goods, goodies or services is to lie about what those goods, goodies or services are. If you identify exactly what you are trading, and the other parties want to make the trade, they obviously know they will benefit from the interaction. You really do need to wake up and reject all the bogus lies you've absorbed from the predators-that-be mouthpieces.
You are the one who thinks you'll be safe in your gated community when a couple million people have been left without govt subsidies, in a nation with 14 trillion in debt, some of which is to the Bank, already selling off real property to pay national debt in other countries.
You have little to offer if you think America is not under occupation by foreign interests. You'll be faced with a tax hike that will wipe out your wealth, this is the goal.
Ann has been bloggin on line for a long time. Google search brings up her comments which are consistent. Defiant she may be but when you are a woman who has earned her own income for the majority of her life, you protect yourself because daddy and his paycheck are not there to save you.
You do anything you can to give your life meaning in a world where a transfer of wealth has been taking place from middle class across 1st world nations, into the pockets of the elite, in ponzi schemes called bubbles.
bunny boiler,
Time wasted blogging is diverted from time better spent doing. You appear to be confused.
Actions speak louder than words. That is how the world really works. I do. Your sort talk, whine, excuse deficiencies rather than help communities...by your own hands and money. Perhaps you have none to share, and only vanity implores you to admire each other.
Carry on with your mutual admiration society....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyI5OpfsnoA
Rosa Koire - Post-sustainability Institute (Emminent domain special).
Interview on Agenda 21
You're assumptions only prove how limited your ability is to imagine. I do not intend to explain myself to you.
"honestann is a bit like a bear preaching to the wolfes that they should abandon their pack life, that the pack is just an illusion" - let's explore a bit the slippery slope of this Animal House which reminds me a bit the old fables
right or wrong, America is still seen by many as the land of the sheep - and many moan here about that, and feel the call to act as sheepdogs
honestann's story is that of the bear cub that was bitten too many times by canines - note her "predators" theme, but also note how she growls and bares claw and tooth in the potential defense from predators
madame, your call sign is the pure, unalterated howl of the American WASP she-wolf, a descendent of the roman republican she-wolf. what I regret is that your howl has those undertones of the old warcries. perhaps you fail to recognize the fact that others have their wolfes, too - and that for example the Vatican is only a shadow of the wolf pack it originally was, or that some of the other warcries should be adjusted to modern reality too - for example those against zionism
so yes, your howl is very understandable for me - your pack animosity versus certain other packs remarkably less, then imho modern times are deeply worrying because of a great corruption in your pack(s) "system"
nevertheless, I think I'm right if I point out that ZH is not really wolf territory. disinchanted bears, zealous sheepdogs and curious, overwhelmed sheep frolic here in great numbers, and exchange stories and fables about... bad, bad wolf packs
to come back to the original thread: e-verify. from a continental prospective, it's bewildering. Yes, here we have IDs, and the state practically forces us to be able to identify ourselves anytime, since Napoleon
you would perhaps think that this would make our republics pure police-states, but this is not the case, imho, then we lack all the corollary checks that grew around the "ID-free" Anglo-American system - with an explosion of databases where one, carefully guarded and balanced one like ours starts to look like the "freer option"
the simplest of all examples: if a Spanish or French or Austrian policemen stops me, he might ask for my ID. but after identification, his toolkit is quite bare, and he needs extremely sound reasons to even think about detaining me - it's not "habeas corpus", but it's similar in spirit, and built around this ID duty... and stops there
so I'm sorry, it's quite difficult for me to say something against e-verify except this: imho the whole system needs an overhaul - then the way it grew distorts the necessary balance between citizen and state, and clinging to remnants of ancient rights seems not be working well
I'm sure this will be seen as "statist" and perhaps it is - I see it as pragmatic
Dear Small Business,
According to our e-verify records, you have failed to meet your minimum hiring targets for Muslims, Jews, Gays, Transgenders, and women. In addition, we have identified an income gap discrepancy between your Hispanic and Asian employees that exceeds Federally mandated maximums. You have 30 days from the receipt of this notice to bring the above stated discrepancies into compliance.
Sincerly,
Barry O
Dear Barry O,
Please check your records. All the employees you refer to have been fired, my business was closed down, my family, friends and myself have moved to another country, no assets remain in the USSA, and therefore you have nothing to complain about. You achieved your goals.
Revulsion,
John Q. WokeTheFrackUp
Has Ron Paul gone insane? All prospective employees must show a social security card...unless they are illegals employed by tax dodgers.
If he wants to defy the statists, then end the federal income tax and tax ID that was brought in when the un-Federal no-Reserve Bored was founded unconstitutionally in 1913.
Do it now as their charter comes up for renewal in 2013... rather than waste the public's time with this nit picking nonsense.
The existing social security card makes every American a chattel of the un-Federal no-Reserve Bored...the old monarchists, vatican, hofjuden of ye olde Englande and Europe...contrary to the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
To be fair, "new tamper-resistant SS cards" is what Ron Paul stated. Telecommunicators may be a thing of the past as the cards are scanned and faxed for remote employers. Though I did Fed Ex my proof of ability to work legally at some point, I recall. Required a notorary to witness my signature. The health records pose problems as some people have had procedures which may be deemed "M" if you know what I mean. They could be blackballed across the board.
Federal Reserve charter explained:
Is the Federal Reserve Act going to expire?No. The Federal Reserve Act of 1913--which established the Federal Reserve as the central bank of the United States--has been amended or altered by the Congress numerous times over the years, but the act has never included an "expiration date" or repeal date. As stated in the law itself, the Federal Reserve Act can only be repealed, amended, or altered by the Congress.
http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/is-the-federal-reserve-act-going-to-expire.htm
Of course they won't be checking on fudge-packing criminals like these: http://rt.com/news/pedophile-syndicate-russian-boy-481/
And this is one of MANY reasons why Oxama has to go. Remember Jesus' parable about harming a child, Oxama.
Systematic abuse of children by spying agencies led by Israel and the CIA and Mi6 who then blackmail politicians, industrialists and civil servants has been well documented, reported and rarely prosecuted in the courts in any land.
Those who make the laws are most inclined to break the laws in this modern corrupt corporatist freak show.
Sadistic paedophiles George Bush, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Peter Mandelson and the Rothschilds act with impunity, along with the lesser known names in the new world order.
O'bomba is at the top of the heap, chosen by nazionist Soros because O'bomba was ready made fodder, by his CIA grandfather, and communist father. His mother was a slut as a result of her parents' amorality.
I wonder who owns the e verify company?
Let's hope it is not IBM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwkdkbX2uds
IBM, NAZIs and the Purge
Cheney?
Blackwater?
JP Morgan?
Monsanto?
E-verify is an American ID Card. Simple as that.
Selling it to the population as a mechanism to prevent illegal immigrants gaining employment and taking American jobs, is clever. Exactly the same sales pitch was used by the Blair Govt in Britain when it peddled the UK ID Card.
Near one third of the ( present day) USA., was purchased from the French. a much better deal ( they didn't really own it anyway. )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Purchase
http://www.gatewayno.com/history/images/la-purchase-large.jpg
So the Obama administration fought AZ tooth and nail when that state wanted to demand their citizens, when arrested for some other infraction, to prove their citizenship with documents. That was wholly offensive and unconstitutional. NOW we find that the Federal Government is trying to stealthily force all americans carry "their papers" to prove, what exactly? Oh yeah prove their citizenship among other things.
So we find out AZ wasn't asking anything unconstitutional so much as the Feds wanted to hold dominion over the program nationwide. Hmmmmm......
Now go back and reread all the quotes from this administration denegrating the outrageousness of such obviously unconstitutional actions by the state of Arizona.
Turns out the only dispute is over who's in control - Whitehouse or other. Same as NDAA: the Whitehouse wants ultimate authority to jail people without trial, not Congress.
So now, accoding to this new proposed law, Social Security card will essentially evolve into being proof of citizenship, according to US Government information the birth certificate or passport serves as proof of citizenship and the SS card was never intended to be used in this manner.
Why don't we just get to where this is headed eventually and tattoo numbers on everyone and get it over with and quit pretending otherwise. The SS card and number should only be a concern for you, your employer and the government. No one else should have the right to demand to know what it is and no person should volunteer that information in any way shape or form. It should be protected like a nun protects her virginity.
"tattoo numbers on everyone and get it over with and quit pretending otherwise."
Funny as I was just thinking not to many years ago we would have all the 666er's tagging this as signs of the end times. Maybe we need a ZH chart showing believership compared with the S&P?
lol, the Feds are really going all out to prove that both Huxley AND Orwell were right...
The ACA requires all healthcare insurance carriers to ask you approx 40 financial related questions. They will use that info to see if you qualify for premium subsidies etc but that info will be linked to your healthcare record. So your healthcare records, your financial situation, your picture/identity will all be part of the dossier the gov't is building on everyone. Man, I feel safer already.
I hate this fkn planet.
apparently so does the massively over-funded Military Industrial Complex, including GMO-fud corporations, the oil extraction industries, the arms manufacturers, weather modifiers. . . etc., etc., etc.
Got another one for you...
Most good mechanics use a computer for auto diagnosics. This computer is a high end scan tool that can not only read codes but operate all functions of your late model auto. It can start your car, operate your signal lights roll down the windows, operate the accelerator and change transmission gears among many other things. The computer inside the vehicle can perform many more functions and many 2012 and newer cars operate by 'fly by wire'. There have been rumors about a journalist who was killed in a car crash so we discussed can a vehicle be taken over remotely, while working at our auto shop yesterday.
The conclusion is YES it can. for example, a late model Nissan can be monitored by a tech remotely, say, from an office in california while the vehicle is in New Hampshire. The tech in California can tell how many persons are in the vehicle by the scale sensors in the seat. They also know if the car is moving, stopped, or being worked on (on a lift at a shop somewhere) including what the ambient temperature is in the shop the car is being worked on. The tech in california would also know all other functions as to where what windows are rolled down, engine rpm, etc..
Most vehicles now have black boxes and as of 2014 all vehicles are required to have one. At this time, many tech's at large dealerships are being required to flash the cars computers without being given an explanation as to why (no bugs were in the existing computers/programs).
You all have heard of ON Star and other features (theft and remote vehicle shut down if late/missed payments occur). All that is needed is a method of telemetry (hidden or not) and special computer instructions programmed into the auto computer/black box.
Wow! Now the genius of 'cash for clunkers' strongly derided as foolish and crazy yet widely popular, is revealed.
The "means of telemetry" is often the 'satellite radio system' (or Onstar for GM's, MyTouch for Fords, etc), now standard in many automobiles.
Get a diesel car or truck from the 70's to 90's. Run it off biodiesel. Safe & effective.
Let's see. Allow millions of illegal aliens into the country and absolutely refuse to remove them, then tell everyone that we need a police state/nanny state {COMMUNIST STATE} to deal with the problems created by letting the low IQ aliens in.
Don't talk to me about freedom. Americans hate freedom.
Right? Let's allow millions of criminal illegal aliens in, offer them freebies they'll never earn or pay for, educate their kids, and offer them driver licenses, THEN, when the legal citizens get licenses, they won't be trusted as legitimate identification because illegal aliens may have them, too. Then, we'll be able to require driver license + passport + car registration AND federal NICS check to buy a firearm.
Yeah, they tell us they want to attract the "best and the brightest". Their method for doing so? Offer them plenty of freebies and welfare. IN SPANISH. Who the hell do they think they are kidding? In truth they want to attract the worst and the dumbest so they will have an excuse to trample the Bill of Rights and impose a soviet style police state upon us.
Most Americans have never read the stories from those who survived the Red Plague in eastern Europe because if they had, they would NEVER allow what is happening to us now.
Is this anything like E-Harmony?
it sure is! We'll find the FEMA camp that best suits your personality.
"Regardless of one’s views on immigration, the idea that we should have to ask permission from the federal government before taking a job ought to be offensive to all Americans."
Regardless of one's views....the idea that we should have to piss in a cup before being offered a job...
I'm going to tattoo my SS # onto my forearm, that way maybe I'll save the trouble of when they want to brandish it on my ass with hot coals.
No worries.. we will be issued an EPW number. They will tattoo it for you.
Ss numbers will not be a referenced for ID at that point.
Employer: you are very qualified for this position and seem to be what we are looking for...
Propsective employee interrupting: Oh, thanks so much, I really love the company and...
Employer interrupting: BUT, we got the e-verify results back and it appears that no only are you a risk to our insurance experience due to your chronic psoriasis but apparently you've been posting comments that appear to be critical of the federal government and we just can't hire you, what with the risk of you pulling a 'snowden' on us...
It's only mandatory if you volunteer to be marked by one of the governments numbers, and you are a citizen of the United States subject to it's jurisdiction. Said numbers are their property, so nobody actually has a number. And, you can opt out of any alleged contract due to constructive fraud.
Rules changed.
Now to opt out you have to exit the country & never return.
I can't know how hostile or not hostile the
reader of this is toward Mexicans, hostility
being unfounded, trumped up paranoia.
Military spooks and compulsive gambl'y bankers
whose own bubble of $trillions is underwritten
by everyone else, though that bubble was actually
sold by bubble asset sellers, who've been
utterly, utterly shaken down, naturally need demons.
Reform exists in recognition of need for the work.
Even peoples with one or two generation(s) of having been
taught demonization of each other recognize
the need by one of the other at times.
Their ability of one to convince the other
is reduced when pint size and greater
vulnerability to paranoia makes trust more
difficult. So the U.S. case is not easily
transported to other areas for comparison.
This is our neighbor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYI_xSew_uc&t=1m25s
I made an interesting comparison with Egypt's
case, given the shared pyramidal tourism focal point.
This
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EskM0WcB36c
As A Worthwhile
Statement Of Tolerance, In
This Case In A Simultaneously
Pre-Columbian, Spanish colonial,
And "Mestizo" Nation. With
This,
http://pages.citebite.com/p1v8s3n7b2wvg
Perhaps It's The Case The
Opposite Is The Religion Of
Oneself. The Mexicans, And
Those Egyptians Who're
Displeased, Don't See Each
Other Conflicting.
Judging From Egypt's Turmoil,
Including During Its Recent
Pyramid Visiting Season, These
Things Bear On Economics
And Health. Presumably The
Pyramid Visiting In Mexico
Hasn't Skipped A Beat.
It’s authoritarians who’re often
financing people trumping democratic
movements with dividers.
Some People Might Note There
The Import Of Pretending To Be
Above The Law And Then Just
Add Slandering One's Foes.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/06/27/747568/-How-the-Shah-fell-Lessons-from-Iran-1978
Undocumented workers help food supply,
apart from content inadequately tested relative
to its nature, staple-status, degree of being
subject to market control, and degrees of
risk to breaking past would be anti-resistance
and spread factors. They enable the paying
of taxes by employers and U.S. citizen
employees, and the earning of Social Security
and Medicare by those employees, even if
though earned "entitlements" are what become
subject to clawbacks at sufferance to
monopoly and risk filtering (privatize the
profits, socialize the cost.)
Against the backdrop of
the Border Security, Economic Opportunity,
and Immigration Modernization Act (BSEOIMA)
exists buy a toxic asset, get a visa.
To me the law
Establishes Apartheid,
Using As A Definition Existing
At Someone's Sufferance.
It's Less Pernicious Looking, And
Possibly Actually Is So In Fact,
Owing To The Alternative Having
Been Pretend You Don't Need
Them And Retain Criminal Status.
It Could Be More Legitimate
And Less Control'y.
If Immigration Reform Exists
Because Immigrants'
Employment Is Acceptable,
Then, To The Extent That Reform
Is Not Legitimate, Or Now You
See It Now You Don't'ish,
Or Overbearing And Controlling
Far More Than Necessary, Let
Alone Threatening The Legal
Tranquility Of Others, Including
Some Whose Families Have
Been Americans For Hundreds
Of Years, More Than Necessary,
Especially To The Gross Unfair
Advantage Of Others, Then,
That's Inviting Someone To
Exist At One's Sufferance.
The "Similar Experience And
Qualification" Test Is Not
Something Registered Provisional
Immigrants Can Self-Enforce.
Replacing Avoidance
Of The ObamaCare Tax Penalty
As Incentive To Hire The
Undocumented Worker,
A Much Simpler Scheme, Fairer
To All Workers Can Take On
A More Legitimate Path
To Citizenship.
A Legitimate Alternate
Minimum Wage,
Which Is A Simpler Scheme
Helpful To BOTH Undocumented
Workers And American Workers,
Instead Of An ObamaCare Cost Break
(I’ve A Website Where I Address The
Health Of Undocumented Workers,
But I Don’t Spam, Esp. At ZH,)
Plus A New
Presence Category Is Far
Preferable To A Phony Now
You See It Now You Don't
"Path To Citizenship."
I Oppose Spending $10'sB's
On 10,000's Of New Border
Para-Military.
That, and rationalizing the
marijuana industry eliminates
2 humungous for-profit prison
trades.
Registered Provisional Status Can
Take 12 Years (Renewable 6 Year
Terms),
pdf:
http://www.scripps.edu/resources/isso/docs/billoutline.pdf
Leading Only To
Green Card Or Permanent Resident
Status. Verifications Of Continuous
Residency From December 2011
Is Required. Payment Of Back Taxes
From That Point Flows To The
Lawmakers Up Front, With A $1,000
Penalty, With Attainment Of Second
Class Status Far From
Unassured.
The Registered Provisional
Immigrants Will NOT Receive Health/
Welfare Benefits. After 10 Years,
Green Card And Permanent Residency
Status Can Be Sought, Which Is
Subject To The Opinion Of Anyone
At DHS. This Obviously Endures
Despite Ostensible Whistleblower
(Anti-I-Don't-Like-Him) Protection.
pdf:
http://www.scripps.edu/resources/isso/docs/billoutline.pdf
Registered Provisional Immigrants'
Legal Status In That Regard Is
Unclear, Apart From Their
Vulnerability.
E-Verify Threatens To Ensnare Even
Americans Born To Families That Have
Enjoyed American Citizenship
Dramatically Longer Than Those
Of The Persons Checking Their Records.
There's Ample Opportunity For Profiling.
This Also Opens A Whole New World
Of Opportunity For Malicious
Prosecution And The Threat
Of Rendering Someone Vulnerable
To Prosecution Or Malicious
Prosecution.
It's Because Of That, The
Universality Of E-Verify, That
To Me, At Least, This Not Only
Looks Quite Police'y, But
Something A Bit Occupied Territory'ish.
Legal Immigrants Particularly
Might Be Falsely Targeted.
Minor Infractions From Any Time
Can Disqualify The Citizenship
Attainment Process At Any
Time. DHS Is The Final Arbiter.
Aren't haikus limited to three lines long??
Soo.. were going to be subject to a verification system the President failed? I don't get it?
Wow, and we thought Nazis were bad demanding "zee paperz NOW, Herr"
Now it's your blood, your iris pattern, your fingerprints or you can kiss goodbye any living of any sort other than back alleys & black market barter. Even in prison they'll tag you.