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Snowden Requests Russian Political Asylum

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While hardly coming as news to anyone who could have read the tea leaves as soon as Snowden boarded the plane from Hong Kong to Moscow, the flashing red headline that the NSA whistleblower has just applied to be Depardieu's neighbor, has just escalated the great US foreign policy snafu that started a month ago with the NSA spying revelations, and has since developed into a huge scandal involving Europe, Russia, China, Hong Kong, and virtually every other country (not to mention US citizens) that the US government is spying on.

  • SNOWDEN ASKS FOR RUSSIAN POLITICAL ASYLUM: IMMIGRATION OFFICIAL
  • SNOWDEN ASYLUM APPLICATION RECEIVED YESTERDAY: RUSSIAN OFFICIAL

And with Putin saying there is no chance he will return Snowden to the US, in response to Obama's demands, suddenly the balance of power shifts to Russia's favor (which by now it is almost certain, knows everything that Snowden does).

Ball is now in Putin's court. Just where he likes it.

From AP:

The Interfax news agency says a Russian consular official has confirmed that National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden asked for political asylum in Russia.

 

Interfax cited Kim Shevchenko, the duty officer at the Russian Foreign Ministry's consular office in Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport, as saying that Snowden's representative, Sarah Harrison, handed over his request Sunday.

 

Snowden has been caught in legal limbo in the transit zone of Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport since his arrival from Hong Kong on June 23. The U.S. has annulled his passport, and Ecuador, where he has hoped to get asylum, has been coy about offering him shelter.

 

Russia's President Vladimir Putin says Snowden will have to stop leaking U.S. secrets if he wants to get asylum in Russia, but adds that Snowden has no plan to quit doing so.

 


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Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:43 | Link to Comment Dull Care
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Good move by Snowden.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:46 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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While it appears that the US Gov calls him a "double-agent", I believe the pro sports term for this is "free agent".

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:52 | Link to Comment BaBaBouy
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Barak Hussein Has A REAL Wedgie Now ...

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:56 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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For Snowden's sake he better pray Putin doesnt want something from Obummer!

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:13 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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I try not to get into a rage these days but, God forgive me, I made it halfway through that article before the urge to strangle the life out of Marc "sucks Wang" Thiessen became unbearable.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:19 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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He's the kind of establishment propagandist who would volunteer for a full body cavity search as a way to demonstrate his loyalty to the regime.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:28 | Link to Comment Jumbotron
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"You don't know how lucky you are boy.....

Back in the U.S...

Back in the U.S...

Back in the U.S.S.R."

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 16:19 | Link to Comment MagicHandPuppet
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Marc A. Thiessen is a douche

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:28 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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I've been feeling like that a lot lately...and by lately I mean the last 10 years.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 14:00 | Link to Comment Cult_of_Reason
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The strange part about this story is that everything Snowden has revealed so far, I (and millions of others who do not rely on the media for their information) knew about it ten years ago.

I'm perplexed as to why it is such a "shocking" news to so many people.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 14:30 | Link to Comment JohnnyBriefcase
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I can't tell if you are seriously perplexed or not.

 

You do realize that 99% of the populace doesn't believe something is true until Brian williams says it is true.

So while we all "knew" this to be true, most people mocked us either in secret or in our faces.

 

It's funny (sad) because I have yet to hear anyone at my work talk about these new NSA "revelations" but I've heard at least twenty discussions regarding that guy who crossed the grand canyon on a tightrope.

 

The World Will Look Up and Shout, “Save Us!” And I’ll Look Down and Whisper, “No!”

 

 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 14:47 | Link to Comment Cult_of_Reason
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There was a lot of unconstitutional crap slipped into Patriot Act in 2001.

All internet service providers were required by this law to create backdoors, so the government could spy on anyone at any time. This was not covered by MSM in 2001, but in 2013 it is "shocking" news.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:17 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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I don't feel even .00001% less safe because of Snowden.  Further, I do not accept that the NSA program has jack shit to do with stopping an attack on the U.S.  It is part of a control grid being set up to control We the People.  If these people cared about our safety they wouldn't be invading Middle Eastern countries in order to take their oil and PMs.   Most people, however, are extremely gullible and they believe what you believe.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:23 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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If Snowden's revelations have compromised this expensive program which was supposedly directed at "external threats," I expect it to be disbanded in the name of budgetary restraint...

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:35 | Link to Comment Bobbyrib
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Don't hold your breath.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:45 | Link to Comment fallout11
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"....We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently.... We know what no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me." - George Orwell, 1984

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 16:23 | Link to Comment Clycntct
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You left one thing out.

Stand at attention when you read this!

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 17:06 | Link to Comment earleflorida
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Orwell  {Eric Arthur Blaire}

*"The masterpiece that killed George Orwell"   by Robert McCrum 5/9/09     http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/may/10/1984-george-orwell

note: book review by the GUARDIAN! :)

*Ps. this is a short read that gives you the masters`heartfelt love-of-writing, over death itself... far beyond the grave-- never being quite content, always reaching... reaching for the right light [adjective, adverb, verb or noun encumber'd by simplicity via multiplicity?] knowing once read is just the beginning of the authors journey with the climax always, forever birthing the classical british twist of fiction being the strange Master/Slave of non'fiction?!

this immortal nom de`plume

 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:31 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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I actually feel more safe knowing that our lies are now selling for less and the rest of the world is pissed off and less likely to put up with our shit 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 14:02 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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Rand, you are right about this. The domestic spy program is to track domestic political opposition. To also plant fear among average people and prevent them from joining any opposition movement. It is to secure the Powers That Be in place. The Bankers, Wall-Street, The Military and the Intelligence Forces. They in turn serve corporate interests who can legally bribe American politicians to run a debt slave state.

Look at debt slavery and the police state that enforces it. Yet Americans still support this system by and large! Fed rubbish lies in the corporate media, average people can't get their heads around the nature of the American power system in the year 2013!

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 14:50 | Link to Comment CH1
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Well said, Jack. Thanks.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 14:11 | Link to Comment trader1
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not only for control, but to download ideas and technological innovations from other countries like germany.

after all, information wants to be free....right?

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:30 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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the last time the Washington Post was engaged in any real investigative journalism, Nixon was still president.

stop reading that trash, it's rotting your mind and making you a coward.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:34 | Link to Comment Rusticus
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Cunt_of_Reason down arrowed for the Pravda link.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 14:20 | Link to Comment Freddie
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The Washington Post has always been a mouth piece and agent for the C*a.   Ben Bradley rushes to Cord Meyer's ex-wife apt after she is killed post JFK murder cause she was sleeping with JFK.  Her ex-husband ran Operation Mockingbird for "The Company."  

The largest shareholder is Buffett. 

It is a shame that Snowden cannot find a safe country.  Iceland would be the best choice but it is not safe for him.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:31 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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Putin will trade Snowden for 5-6 Russian spies now held capitive in the USA.  

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:54 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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I was gonna edit my comment, but NSA seems to have shut down the edit function ... again ...

Question for the forum, is this the opening of the floodgates and every classified-access peeon in the MISC (military-industrial-spying-complex) is now making a pro/con list regarding "defection"?

McCain is gonna need a bigger wall!!!!

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:15 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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You cannot edit a comment after it receives a reply.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 16:08 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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Thanks, I should know that by now!!!

Fuck NSA anyway!!!!

 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:28 | Link to Comment emersonreturn
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paf...'...seems to have shut down the edit function ... again...'

 

 

my internet provider lost all my emails, gone....when i requested they return the deleted mail, i was informed it was impossible.  when i insisted they provided me 7000 inbox, and 5000 junk mail...all from my deceased spouse's account.  spouse never having used this computer and having left the planet in 2008!

marvels of the web.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:47 | Link to Comment BaBaBouy
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DA, DA, Bitches...

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:48 | Link to Comment freewolf7
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Well played, Putin.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:19 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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Interesting that Putin 'would grant asylum if Snowden stops hurting our US partner'.

More connections at the top than we'll ever know, I suppose.

 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:36 | Link to Comment Kayman
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Putin to Russian citizen: "We read your emails because we can."

Obama to U.S. citizen: "We read your emails because it is good for you."

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:54 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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In Soviet America, citizens seek asylum from Russia.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:20 | Link to Comment NihilistZero
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The United States of America: Economic and Personal Freedom in multi decade downturn.

Russian Federation: Economic and Personal Freedom on multi decade upswing.

Plus hot chicks and a growing (non-financialized) economyabundant natural resources...

Snowden would be making a good move even if he wasn't on the run.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:41 | Link to Comment Dull Care
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One can never underestimate the importance of the hot devushkas.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 17:12 | Link to Comment sethstorm
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Russian Federation: Economic and Personal Freedom on multi decade upswing.

Provided you are part of the nomenklatura.  Otherwise you have less freedom in Russia than the United States.

 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:54 | Link to Comment Gringo Viejo
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So's Aaron Hernandez.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:44 | Link to Comment Midasking
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Snowden is a hero and US citizens should demand he gets "Asylum" here in the US! http://tinyurl.com/pp588mj

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:49 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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Bullet in the back of the head is all he would get in the US

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/30/father-chechen-man-killed-fb...

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:13 | Link to Comment agent default
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Very Stalinist.  9/10  for style.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 14:38 | Link to Comment sethstorm
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Bullet in the back of the head is all he would get in the US

At this point, it wouldn't be a bad thing, since that would mean justice for someone that has aided and abetted people that do want to do harm average US citizens (read: not the government).

Then again, just let any good American have a crack at him before he gets locked away.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 18:11 | Link to Comment PhilofOz
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"good American"?   No... "brainwashed American".  Wow, so much tough talk! So pathetic the likes of you come across as to the rest of the planet.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:45 | Link to Comment Oldballplayer
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Daaahhhhh, please Edward.  Come in from the cold.  We will keep you very warm.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:46 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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Russia has lots of space, lots of computers, and some really hot women. He should have a great time in Russia and he can have a Russian passport. I guess they will have to turn that sign around that pointed to "The Evil Empire"

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 14:03 | Link to Comment Cacete de Ouro
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for starters Club 911 Moscow, crazy menu

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:46 | Link to Comment slaughterer
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+10 for the RTS

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:47 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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listen. no one likes the Ombudsman in their budding young media empire. trust me...I GET THE FRIGGIN' MEMO. (or is it meme?) having said that WHO CARES! if this guy requests asylum and then has it granted "end of story" move along. in other words YOU NEED TO COME HOME SON.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:47 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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Why doesn't Putin want Snowden to reveal any more "secrets"?

To clarify, most of his "secrets" are secret only to the ordinary citizen/taxpayer.

http://news.yahoo.com/putin-snowden-must-stop-leaking-secrets-stay-15191...

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:49 | Link to Comment Phat Stax
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He could then get a hot girlfriend and drink vodka into the night.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:37 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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He could have gotten that in Hawaii, but them he wouldn't have been able to rack up all those frequent flier miles.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:52 | Link to Comment Lord Maximus
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What Snowden has revealed was good but now he is looking more and more like a traitor with evil intentions -- too bad

 

Snowden is looking more like a classic spy...someone who wants to aid in destroying the country -- Huge win for the Russian and Chinese Commies --- FACT!!

 

 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:57 | Link to Comment TrustWho
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American media will make this simple spiel to the Amercian media, but Snowden (and Wikileaks, I believe) failed to understand the power structure in the world and the passport system, so Snowden was abused by governments in China and Russia. Because of this naivete, Snowden actions have helped America's unfriendly friends.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:09 | Link to Comment samsara
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Was that just on NPR?

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:17 | Link to Comment Frank N. Beans
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Snowden a spy?! 

Even Obama says he is just "a hacker."

 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:24 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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Bold text, all caps and two exclamation points does not make it a "fact". It's still a fuckin opinion...and a pretty nationalistically belligerent one at that.

Snowden is not the story. What he revealed is the story. You just got sucked into the MSM bullshit.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:24 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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Oh, you must come from that sophisticated world of 'white hats' and 'black hats'.

Keep watching them Gunsmoke reruns....

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:36 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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more gluteus than lord

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:57 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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lol

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:51 | Link to Comment TrustWho
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Putin makes the old KGB proud. Whether you like him or not, he has manipulated this situation (i.e. stopped Snowden from going to Ecudor and basically making him a prisoner in the airport transit lounge), so he can be seen as a savior of free speech when he grants political asylum to Snowden. 

Poor Obama, he is so out of his league and makes USA look foolish. 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:01 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Snowden ain't getting a free pass from the Russians...... The information tap is going to have to be shut off. I bet Glenn Greenwald has been sufficiently warned that his next cup of tea might have polonium 219 in it if Snowden cuts a deal with the Russians and he keeps publishing. You know Putin has negotiated in behind closed doors with the US agreements in his favor in return for shutting the Snowden information leaks down by offering him asylum in turn. Putin ain't the American people's friend unless it fowards some Russian agenda. He is just a little bit more nuanced and maybe a little less sociopathic but make no mistake he is a Russian first and foremost.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:16 | Link to Comment TrustWho
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Absolutely agree, except Putin likes emabrrassing USA as a hypocrite, so he has told Snowden to release his information and go silent and he is a complete sociopath who is very smart and understands the Russian culture and its desire for smart strong leaders. The Russians understand any replacement will be the same, hell, the Russians taught me how, to their surprise, the American's bureaucratic system and Soviet Union's bureaucratic system have different form, but achieve the same result.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 14:01 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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Putin will promise to cork up Snowden ... and then find other avenues by which to leak everything Snowden knows.

This is going to play out for another two years.

But I wonder if Snowden is still a dead man. Notice, Putin can play Snowden a final time, by allowing a US agent to get close enought to whack the guy some day. Not until Snowden has been played of course, not until Snowden's death can be used to further embarrass the US as the New Stalinists.

The US is going to get a two-year-long black eye over all this.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 16:09 | Link to Comment DosZap
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 if Snowden cuts a deal with the Russians and he keeps publishing. You know Putin has negotiated in behind closed doors with the US agreements in his favor in return for shutting the Snowden information leaks down by offering him asylum in turn. Putin ain't the American people's friend unless it fowards some Russian agenda. He is just a little bit more nuanced and maybe a little less sociopathic but make no mistake he is a Russian first and foremost.

 

Yep, BUT, Wiki has ALL the data,(for death by NATURAL causes) and Snowden does not have to say one word,Assinge will spread it like manure.Sammy is cooked on this one.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 14:14 | Link to Comment TheMeatTrapper
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Poor Obama, he is so out of his league and makes USA look foolish.

Very, very true. 

Putin is making Obama look like a Trayvon Martin prosecution witness. 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:54 | Link to Comment Lord Maximus
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Hey Snowden...have fun in Edward Lee Howard's dacha...hope you don't end up like Alexander Litvinenko

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:56 | Link to Comment optionsman
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I dont think the Russians will grant Snowden asylum. Perhaps a temporary permit to stay to expire in say 6 months but an asylum. The reason being is that the Russians do not want to endorse the type of act Snowden represents as without a doubt the Russians collect what they can on everyone end everything in Russia,

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:03 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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The difference is people in Russia are well aware of that fact. Russia has not been pretending that they were some great defender of freedom to the world like the U.S has. The U.S. hypocrisy has been laid out again for the world to see.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:40 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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hypocrisy and inflation - our two greatest exports - oh wait, same product

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 14:45 | Link to Comment optionsman
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there is a sea of difference between a fact and a theory Dr. Engali. Yes. I am well aware that the Russians suspect everything, but it is rare when they get irrefutable facts to support that. So that these facts are not encouraged to come out into the light the Russians will be careful in handling Snowden is all i am saying

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:06 | Link to Comment TrustWho
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You could be right, but I know a few Russians who say Russians understand what will happen to Russian traitors or Putin traitors if you like in the current situation. Russian Tzars, Soviet Union leadership and Oligarchs have taught them well. Most Russians admire the oligarchs for being smart men who took appropriate advantage of a rare opportunity as they only kill their own kind and leave the innocent alone, but the innocent must keep their mouth shut. This sounds like Americas Legal Mafia system call Justice who use the Law instead of the gun.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:52 | Link to Comment Kayman
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 "the innocent must keep their mouth shut" (in Russia)

 And anyone in the U.S. that stands up against the Wall of Disinformation is immediately slam dunked by the state/corporate controlled media. 

Anyone remember the drumbeat before Bush II invaded Iraq ?  And don't tell me about the Senator from Illinois- he was just waiting for a higher bid.

Peace on Earth to Drone Meister in a few short years.  Putin is a murdering Russian tyrant, but he is not a hypocrite.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 14:22 | Link to Comment TheMeatTrapper
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Most Russians admire the oligarchs for being smart men who took appropriate advantage of a rare opportunity as they only kill their own kind and leave the innocent alone,

The difference I see is that in Russia if you threaten the power structure you'll be crushed. They don't waste their time sending SWAT teams to shut down lemonade stands run by girl scouts. They direct their power at a worthy target. 

That's what pisses me off about this fucking country. Sell raw milk, sell lemonade or grow a fucking garden in your front yard and it's off to jail for you while the people at the top steal billions and get away scot free. 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 16:16 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Newsflash ,the Rooskies and our beloved D.C. leader, have forged an alliance where Russain troops will be used at all Natl Security events(as in Stupor Bowl etc,etc).Like they haven't been here for a long time already, LOL.This should be an affront to Janet, or the door which will alow a for sure firing on Americans,when that time comes.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 18:32 | Link to Comment el Gallinazo
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They just want to cut us off from growing our own healthy food or buying it from neighbors we trust.  We should eat GMO Monsanto poison or ammoniated pink slime from the corporate farms.  While it will not turn us into the Incredible Hulk, we probably will soon glow in the dark.  As that spawn of the devil, Herr Doktor Kissinger put it (after referring to the 99.99999% as useless eaters), "control the food and you control the world."

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:58 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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I hate being so cynical, but after all the crazy shit I've seen in the past few years it's in my nature. I just can't help but think we are being snookered by this whole thing, and that the NWO is having a good laugh with their misdirection.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 12:58 | Link to Comment ThisIsBob
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The United States has sheltered some Russians that Putin has wanted back for a number of years.   

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:15 | Link to Comment Petrus Romanus
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So, he basically reveals nothing but the existence of a program that everybody knew about, or at least should have expected to exist. Then he runs to Russia for asylum. Then he is demonized and called a traitor (Oswald similarly). Now we have Putin saying he should not reveal anymore that may hurt his (Putins') American partners, which creates the appearance that he is a friend. But allowing Snowden to stay also creates the perception that he has been involved in espioage for Russia. Oh the games they play!

Seems like somebody is trying to restart the cold war so all problems can either be blamed on the Russians or the Americans, depending on where you are in the world.

 

ETA- Let us also not forget his inital port of Hong Kong, then to Russia! Yes, I believe this is a coordinated attempt to sheep dip this guy in order to give the big 3 (China, Russia, and America) some rally around the flag distraction. Early stages of a grander, more elaborate operation!

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:55 | Link to Comment Kayman
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The idea that Snowden is a Russian spy is thin gruel.  If he was a Russian spy, why not slip him away to the Motherland with a little less noise ?

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:05 | Link to Comment JimmyRainbow
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in german msm there is a requirement mentioned:

snowden has to stop talking about nsa

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 16:59 | Link to Comment schadenfreude
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Since MSM in Germany didn't push the story about Snowden, this might be an appropiate assumption.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:14 | Link to Comment TahoeBilly2012
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"stop talking about it, shut up, we know, leave me alone...I know"

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:22 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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Vladimir Putin has for the first time floated the idea of the US whistleblower Edward Snowden remaining in Russia, hours after the fugitive applied for political asylum in the country.

Snowden applied for asylum at the consular office at Moscow's Sheremtyevo airport at 10:30pm on Sunday evening through his Wikileaks handler, Sarah Harrison,, a consular official said.

"The UK citizen Sarah Harrison passed on a request by Edward Snowden to be granted political asylum," said Kim Shevchenko, a staffer at the airport's consular department. He said he then called the foreign ministry, who sent a courrier one hour later to pick up the request.

He declined to say where Harrison or Snowden, who have not been seen since landing in Sheremtyevo last week, were staying. "She didn't say and I didn't ask," he said.

In a move likely to enrage the US, Putin said on Monday: "If he wants to go somewhere and someone will take him, go ahead. If he wants to stay here, there is one condition – he must stop his work aimed at bringing harm to our American partners, as strange as that sounds coming from my mouth."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/01/putin-snowden-remain-russia-offer
Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:30 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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as strange as that sounds coming from my mouth."

It doesn't sound so strange if one assumes Putin and Obama are both puppets of the same elites.

The Hegelian Dialectic strikes again.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:52 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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words,

and even more duplicitous, words of state diplomacy.

What does Putin mean?

Who are Putin's "American partners"?

and

what constitutes "bringing harm"?

and

is any part of Snowden's work not "aimed at bringing harm"?

Does Putin really believe Russian national interests are not in conflict with any US government interests?

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:27 | Link to Comment Gordon_Gekko
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The US has now become the Soviet Union. They have become what they feared the most. BTW, why do all the fascist regimes tend to have "Union" or "United" in their names?

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:35 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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There is plenty of historical evidence that the US was always part of a Larger Soviet Union. American financial elites enabled Lenin and his founding of the Soviet Union.

The history that we were taught in high school is the history that the elites want us to believe. It is not what really happened. The devil is in the details.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/nameless/intro.shtml

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 18:20 | Link to Comment el Gallinazo
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Actually it was the Warburgs, Rothschild bagmen, who financed Lenin and Trotsky.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:51 | Link to Comment monad
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The Perestroika Deception 1995 Golitsyn

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 15:55 | Link to Comment smacker
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Disinformation. To give the false impression that their country is united, when it's usually anything but. Same sort of disinformation used by countries who have the word 'Democratic' in their name, when they're actually dictatorships. In the West, we tend to describe our democratic systems as having a choice between Left & Right, when in most cases they're all socialists (statists, some prefer).

Politics is the art of deception and lies.

It works, and the sheeple like it that way.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:33 | Link to Comment muleskinner
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Time to legalize Gypsy Hunts once again.  Life gets so boring.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:39 | Link to Comment ZeroPoint
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Zdrastvitye komrade. We are making you an offer you cannot refuse......

 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 13:56 | Link to Comment BullyBearish
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The US spying on EVERYONE was never about stopping terrorism, if it were Boston would have been easy.  It has always been about enriching and keeping those in power.  To survive and thrive is all the justification they need to make/break the rules.  Outsiders are deceived/expendable.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 14:02 | Link to Comment smacker
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Well, given the options open to Snowden right now, Russia is possibly his best bet. As I posted last week, he could have a good career there and who knows - he might even pop up on RT.con TV.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 14:03 | Link to Comment world_debt_slave
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snow(den)ball

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 14:20 | Link to Comment Winston Smith 2009
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"which by now it is almost certain, knows everything that Snowden does"

Actually, I'd bet they knew everything Snowden knows even before he knew it.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 14:49 | Link to Comment Volaille de Bresse
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Apparently Putin holds Snowden safe until Prez Maduro (who is in Moscow for a "Fuck U USA" summit) takes Lil Ed with him. 

 

Or... Putin will keep ES and make him "sing" to piss Obama off ( =retaliation for the Viktor Bout arrest). 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 14:58 | Link to Comment Divine Wind
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When one puts emotions, feelings of righteousness and appreciation for his patriotic self sacrifice aside, the reality is that Snowden has BIG troubles on his hands.

In the real world of spycraft, diplomacy and international wheeling and dealing, Snowden will eventually end up back in U.S. hands. His cabbage is boiled.

Here is how things will likely roll out:

Once he is soaked for information and no longer holds value to the Mother Russia (which may already be the case), he is then moved to the liability column and becomes a bargaining chip.

When the right deal comes along where a trade is desired, or some situation arises where Russia needs to throw the U.S. a bone, Snowden will be given up without a second thought.

Ya see, while the media portrays the U.S. and Russia as arch enemies and constantly at odds, there are innumerable areas where the two governments collaborate deeply and extensively. Within the DoD alone there are relationships and interactions fostered between the two sides that span entire careers.

Such a situation will arise. They always do. Anyone who has worked for DoD, DoS or anywhere within the intelligence community knows this to be the case.

These types of trades and arrangements take place   all    the    time.

Additionally, while Snowden may, for a time, benefit the Russians, they will always view him as a traitor to his own country.

To Russians, this is an incredibly big deal.

 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 18:15 | Link to Comment el Gallinazo
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Your tone of cynical, self-assured certainty is at least amusing.  So name one famous spy or defector that Russia or the Soviet Union threw under the bus and returned to the USSA when he was all used up.  One will do.  And the reason has nothing to do with altruism.  

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 15:14 | Link to Comment DanDaley
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Snowden could just do a document dump and then ask for asylum...no more secrets, gimme shelter!...but with no more secrets, why let him stay? 

 

One imagines that Putin would rather have him quiet, get the secrets, and then not let the US know what or how much he knows. He has no interest in helping US citizens against the administration.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 15:40 | Link to Comment goldenbuddha454
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Putin: "Snowden must stop leaking secrets to stay".  Putin just midget-tossed Obama across the fucking bar with one hand!!!!! 

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 15:22 | Link to Comment ThisIsBob
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Putin better be real careful, or Obama will be siccing Biden on him, just like he did Correa.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 17:02 | Link to Comment Hannibal
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"Snowden (and Putin) knows who done it on 9/11"

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 18:08 | Link to Comment el Gallinazo
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Everyone with three working brain cells knows who did 9/11.  

Hint one - it wasn't OBL or any of our 19 coke sniffing, booze imbibing, pole dancer chasing Aye-rabs.  

Hint two:  Cui bono?  

Hint three:  Why doesn't the steel grill in my barbecue collapse when I light the fucking charcoal, Mr. Wizard?

Hint four:  The nominal boss of the operation is too dumb to walk and chew gum at the same time.

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 17:26 | Link to Comment starman
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if youve seen those babes overthere you would be asking the same!!

Mon, 07/01/2013 - 17:59 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Long live the Kremlin and its ongoing fight for freedom and democracy.

Did they take Fringe Live this season. Where am I? What happened. They tried to warn me about flashbacks when I took that stuff.

Somebody wake me when its over.

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