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Bolivian President Plane Denied Passage Over French, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian Airspace Due To Snowden Suspicions
Update: Italy and Spain have also been confirmed as states that refused passage above their airspace to Bolivia's Morales on suspicions of harboring a patriot.
Moments ago a rather surreal episode of international diplomacy, or rather lack thereof, took place when the airplane of Bolivian President Evo Morales was forced to land in Austria over suspicions that NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden was on board, a claim Bolivian authorities denied. The reason: France and Portugal reportedly refused to allow the flight to cross their airspace due to concerns that Snowden may have been aboard the plane. It is what international law allows countries to deny their airspace to presidents of sovereign countries, when the only transgression is unproven speculation of harboring a whistleblower. Of course, with both insolvent countries bent over and in dire need of some all too precious Uncle Sam liquidity, we can see how they would do anything and everything to gain some favor with Obama.
Per RT, David Choquehuanca, the Bolivian Foregin Minister, refuted the idea Snowden was on the plane, saying "we don’t know who invited this lie, but we want to denounce to the international community this injustice with the plane of President Evo Morales."
Others in South America are also angry, with Ecuador foreign affairs minister Ricardo Patino taking the lead:
- ECUADOR NOT SEEKING SPY PROGRAM DETAILS FROM SNOWDEN: PATINO
- ECUADOR WON'T TRADE FAVORS WITH U.S. ON SNOWDEN ASYLUM: PATINO
- SOUTH AMERICA MUST 'REACT' TO BOLIVIA TREATMENT: PATINO
- U.S. PROTECTING ECUADOR FUGITIVES: PATINO
Then again, Ecuador's indignation would carry some actual weight if the country, which originally was supposed to be Snowden's final asylum retreat, hadn't mysteriously folded like a cheap lawn chair following Joe Biden's brief but focused visit.
Expect more indignation from all sides, and more diverted flights, until the Snowden story reaches it predictably sad resolution.
Finally, we would not want to be an international precious metal miner in Bolivia right now (wink wink Pan American Silver Corp, Sumitomo - which operates the third largest silver mine in the world at San Cristobal - and assorted peers).
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Just drop a few pallets of coke, and it's free sailing.
Update: The NSA hadn't cleared the aircrafts tail number that was once registered to a deceased [Pablo Escobar].
They must have cut the CIA out... hard feelings and all.
That's cold blooded man. Bolivia promised Edward a shot at the Mile High Club on the way to La Paz.
France and Portugal: Obama's Bitches.
I'm surprised they didn't pull a Poland and just shoot it down.
Maybe this should be inferred but did the Austrian authorities board the plane and search for a stowaway?
does anyone have the email address of the chick wearing the bad idea tshirt?
I would share that info with you...why?
Game Theory 101. Nash Equilibrium = the girl does me, while you do you.
"Of course, with both insolvent countries bent over and in dire need of some all too precious Uncle Sam liquidity, we can see how they would do anything and everything to gain some favor with Obama." Lots of people would love to bend over for Obama's bucks, that is the problem; no morals, I knew a man once who used to hire men to sodomize his Mother, he told me he didn't like to do it, but she gave him so much money he couldn't stop! Be careful with that love of Mammon America, that is the kind of obsession which leads to big time heart ache.
Wow Sparky ... that's quite the story.
Ya! Bringin it, his Mother was `unconventional` to say the least, she need some `extra` stimulation for her satisfaction, the `men` he hired were all pros, he offered to do it himself, so he could keep all the money for himself, like the people mentioned in the article above, there wasn't much he wouldn't do for money, but that was too much of an assault on her sense of propriety and she wouldn't hear of it, that was too bad, if she haden't been such a stickler for conventionality she might still be alive, tragically she died from AIDS , perhaps, if she could have seen reason, she would be alive to-day and they would just be a regular family sitting in the pew, a family with a secret, yes, but what family doesn't have some secrets?
Yes, Austrian authorities searched the plane. Then dragged the Bolivian president out for a news conference, where the Austrian president proclaimed that he had no idea why the plane landed in Austria.
Is this the part where we find out the beligerents of WW3?
I sure hope so.
I've worn out three pocket knives sharpening sticks ;-)
When this is all done, I'll trade you some of those sticks for these excellent rocks I've been fasioning into knives.
"Obama: Your bitch is our dictator." -some Egyptian guy holding a well reasoned sign.
And now include Italy and Spain.
When ya got 'em by the balls, their hearts and minds follow.
Portas is definitely a long time US bitch - they don't hand out Congress medals to foreign officials for nothing, specially when they're handed out by no other than Rumsfeld.
'I won't scramble fighter jets to get a hacker'....so why wouldn't they just say fuck you and keep flying. :)
Poor sap, thought his actions were going to change the country. If 9-11 couldn't bring the people of this country around to seeing what's really wrong with it, nothing will.
Still seems to me Snowden is OK in Russia ... and it is foolish to not stay in Russia if Snowden is genuine
Putin has a reasonable request that Snowden just quickly finish his leak-dumping and publication before entering into formal Russian residency and path of citizenship ... It would be a problem for even a regular Russian citizen to be continuing such an individual operation against a foreign government, so it is reasonable that Snowden's leaking be 'finished'
But Snowden wants to play media games, slow-leak with his friends at the financially desperate Guardian who are trying to sell more Google ads by stretching this out
Aside from Cuba, Latin America is a place where CIA assassins could waste Snowden easily ... not so in Russia
Something fishy here ... Snowden says he is a desperate refugee in fear for his life, he is in a safe country now, the Russian President says he can stay ... and Snowden wants to hurry up and leave, and go where the CIA can easily kill him ... hmmm
But aside from that, these European 'leaders' who are arse-licking US poodles grow more sickening by the day
Still seems to me Snowden is OK in Russia ... and it is foolish to not stay in Russia if Snowden is genuine.
you assume he wants to be, in your words, "ok."
he has left his home and cut ties with all that is familiar and near and dear to him. he may be prepared to not be "ok." being "ok" may not be on his radar...
It is surprisingly difficult, after the event, after a planned self-expatriation (won't use "exile" here, bit pretentious ¿moi?), to retain any form of mental and emotional stability. Holidays, Employment, even Student Gap Year, one thing. Permanent self chosen chop off roots is a completely nother.
Someone in Snowden's shoes, and there genuinely cannot be many, has to be mentally all over the place right now. If Edward Snowden is for real it will take months to get his head round leaving home. Oh, and the bubble bath salary would not make it easier.
I would say his radar is a bit out of action!
(voice of experience)
He planned this for years - he probably knew it wouldn't be a walk in the park; still, lots of disguises felt over this, today - guess we can credit that to him, as well...
bank guy,
reading your posts last couple of days, couldn't help the feeling there's more to your appearing on Snowden's side, speaking of his wellbeings...
When he exited HK, the sovereign-less is for all to see plainly (despite they check travellers at the China-HK border) when China speaks.
And now 'exiting' Russia comes the no landing order given by PISF (Snowden's seat may or may not be occupied); well, sovereign-less.
We are on TPTB stage (there's but one, someone said to think otherwise is spelling Evian backward)
Thanks for sharing,
"The NSA hadn't cleared the aircrafts tail number that was once registered to a deceased [Pablo Escobar]."
So you're saying the plane is a registered Democrat voter?
LOL : Bales of Cocaine
But, I thought France was pissed about all the spying? You mean it was all bullshit posturing for the sheep and "international law" continues to be whatever the Dear Leaders say it is at any given moment? But, but....
I know. The bloody french deserve all the epithets thrown at them over the years. Yesterday Hollande blows a fart over blanket surveillance of his stinking worthless country and today he stops a diplomatic flight over the mere suspicion that the guy who was good enough to tell the world the truth may have been on board. Lesson: Never do the French any favours.
Disgusting bloody coward.
The fuckin' French. Doin' us like that on 9/11 and all.
Oh, wait, that was....
The Swedes. Please pay attention.
I know. The bloody americans deserve all the epithets thrown at them over the years. Yesterday Obama Urges Youth To Fulfill Nelson Mandela's Legacy and today he starts a diplomatic flight over the mere suspicion that the very same youth may have been on board. Lesson: Never do the Americans any favours.
Disgusting bloody coward.
All the world is a stage... and every actor is merely playing his part (catered to his/her portion of the audience)...
Hail the scriptwriter !
YHC-FTSE Great post ;-)
Careful fella. The French liberated the US from the English. But, I suspect you went to public school.
But, but that breaks the narrative of rugged individualism!!!! You are 100% correct. French navy won Rev war.
Be more precise : French Navy at the battle of the Chesapeake, also known as the battle of the Virginia Capes, under the command of Comte de Grasse defeated the British fleet and prevented the Royal Navy from reinforcing or evacuating the blockaded forces of Lord Cornwallis at Yorktown.
The result was the reinforcement of the American army with siege artillery and French troops - all of which proved decisive in the Siege of Yorktown, effectively securing American independence.
At this decisive battle, more than half of the fighting troops were French - led by the Comte de Rochambeau.
Right. You wouldn't want to just fly over France anyway, because they might insult your lineage or something. Or fart in your general direction. Or catapult cows at you.
Now go away before I taunt you a second time...
Run away!
Morales, you shall not pass!
What is the air speed velocity of a laden plane?
France, Germany are pissed they got embarrassed publicly, specially over something they (at least) have also been trying to do privately (Germany, definitely), on their own.
Would that be considered an act of war?
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Yes. In fact, in their preparations, the French government had already drawn up a document outlining their terms of surrender to Bolivia before denying them use of French airspace.
Racist comment :
This kind of silly jokes stinks like a stale hate
No 'AIRWAY'... DENIED!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD1KqbDdmuE
My political position is this: I encourage deficit spending, more tax cuts, and more government inefficiency. The only hope we have at a peaceful resolution to the obsurdity of today's government actions is government bankruptsy. Any activity which promotes a faster move to bankruptsy by the government, I support.
france will torture snowden if the us runs out of waterboards
Dear Alex,
You were right about the NWO one government thing. Sorry to have doubted you,
Rand.
Check..and mate. I for one welcome our Russian military overlords.
F that! Wolverines!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_I4WgBfETc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUNjqn4sc14
Mind you - Putin is less of a pussy than that guy the Egyptians hate and who Hollywood loves.
Nobody puts baby in a corner. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28A9Jgo92GQ
Figures the FROGS would retreat from a war that is not even their own.... Very funny
Yeah, and G. Washington defeated the British.
This kind of silly jokes stinks like a stale hate
Mouse Trap Game Commercial * 1990
Pick up some Trojans if you drop by Target tonight. If I get one more denial of service, I'm going to burst
http://nsa.motherboard.tv/
Don't get exhausted, i'll do some drivin.
Thanks.
Evo Morales is the designated short bus driver for Merd-uro and Correra.
When in diplomatic doubt send in the retards for plausible deniability.
I just wonder what color sweater he's wearing today.
4 weeks. ronaldawg, is that you?
Personally I think Evo Morales is one of the few authentic leaders on the world stage today. If he happened to be Brazilian, he would be a Lula like figure.
I hope the rumour is true and Evo is doing the decent thing that everyone else is afraid to do.
Well the rumor si most probably untrue.....russian foreign military inteligence....well done
Evo Morales came from extreme poverty. He started his career as an organizer of poor farmers. He is a Native Indian...the first one to be elected to the presidency...anywhere in the Americas. I admire the man immensely...which means tptb probably want to off him.
Bolivia is the poorest of all countries in S. America.
Bechtel tried and failed to privatize the water of Bolivian Indians. Bechtel lost and in sheer spite it opened an office in Brussels (I believe) so it could sue Bolivia.
Bravo, Evo Morales for having a soul, heart and mind that comprehends Integrity, Freedom and Truth.
And all those leaders who deny EJS any assistance, may they be cursed with everlasting flaccidity.
These cunts have no problem giving CIA planes used for rendition permission to use their airspace.
"Les cunts," si vous plait.
E "filhas das putas" também, por favor.
'Zajebani piculizalovia'
http://translate.google.com/ just in case you aren't trilingual<
Reminds me that the City of London's financial centre was once full of prostitutes plying their trade, so much so that the place where Lloyds building occupies was called, Gropecunt Lane.
I'm confused. "Was once full of prostitutes plying their trade"?
Prostitutes trade value for value. Bankers not so much.
You got me there.
So that's another country off the Asylum list then...Salut
Why France was on the list at all now looks baffling
Austria on the other hand had said maybe...if he happened to be on Austrian soil. So maybe the Bolivians did get Snowden to Austria and forced the landing themselves, then when he had left the plane, stated truthfully that he was not on board
Hope you're right. In best Arnold voice: "he had to split."
Update from South China Morning Post
"Choquehuanca said Morales’s plane had been scheduled to refuel in Portugal, but both France and Portugal denied overflight.
“Inexplicably we were informed [by Lisbon] that the overflight and landing permission had been cancelled,” the top diplomat said.
The plane was re-routed to include a stop in Spain’s Canary islands, but France then refused to allow overflight of its territory, Choquehuanca said.
“We would like to make it known that we are unhappy and upset because the president’s life has been put in danger,” he said.
France’s foreign ministry said it could not immediately comment on the situation."
http://www.scmp.com/news/world/article/1274393/rumours-edward-snowden-bo...
Portugal refused landing (to Bolivian, Cuban and Venezuelan presidential flights, till friday), according to news; France refused overflight.
Bolivia to file complaints against Portugal and France for the refusals.
2' scorpions, Fighting over a Cricket!
Wouldn't it be an interesting kick in the pants if he ends up in Germany? : German Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich confirmed Tuesday that Snowden had made a request for asylum. According to news magazine Spiegel, the country's Foreign Ministry was examining if Germany could allow entry to Snowden.
The opposition Green Party said Snowden "did a service for Germany by unveiling practices, which breach fundamental basic rights and represent a massive breach of trust between allies" and has suggested the former contractor had a legitimate case.
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/02/19248688-nsa-leaker-edward...
What do you think Portas (Portuguese now ex-foreign affairs minister, then defense minister) got a Congress medal from Rumsfeld for?
So just who is paranoid now ???? Motherfuckers.
Lando: Punch it.
[Chewbacca attempts to engage the hyperdrive on the Millenium Falcon - it fails]
Lando: They told me they fixed it! I *trusted* them to *fix* it! It's not my fault!
Darth Vader: Calrissian. Take the princess and the Wookie to my ship.
Lando: You said they'd be left at the city under my supervision!
Darth Vader: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.
Lando: [greeting "old friend" Han Solo] Why, you slimy, double-crossing, no-good swindler.
If Snowden was on-board the NSA would have known well in advance it would have been hellfired down by a drone somewhere over the mountains.
Why not crash the plane into Lisbon and add growth to Portugal's economy?
We already got a governmental plane crashing into Lisbon, courtesy of CIA/Bilderberg, so no thanks...
Hellfires are not air interceptor missiles.
Interesting how none of these heads of state seem to really be in charge of anything.
Who Runs the World?
NSA?
Who controls the NSA?
Has it now come down to NO INTERNATIONAL LAW AT ALL?
Exactly which Air Force forced it down?
At this point, I would not be surprised if the outlaw USG shot down an aircraft with a foreign head of state on board. I really would not. The USG is now more criminal than NAZI Germany. It is totally out of control, led by utter madmen. If Americans do not force a change lawfully, some other nation is going to do it by force.
The USSA has a psychotic, deranged madman in the oval orifice; he is going to start a Holocaust.
+1 Whether by civil law or natural law, this house of cards is coming down.
He may be psychotic and deranged for all I know, but I don't think he's in charge.
my dear american friends, looks like your 'leaders' suffered mental breakdown :)
Without a doubt, the insane are running the asylum. Hide your children.
Note to future exposers: Make sure you are already vacationing in Venezuela before you start spilling stuff.
Note to NSA: No more staff vacations to South America.
Si. Entrada Prohibida.
And get foreign residency in Latin countries on the sly. It CAN be done. If you know what you're doing or know the right ppl.
- and then figure out where you're going to live and how you are not going to be noticed -
Not even the pretense of observing any international norm
of state protocol or diplomacy.
So does this mean all flights from Russia
to "suspect" nations are going to be grounded and searched?
Russia should be pissed also.
Snowden should stay in Russia- those chicks are hot.
Wasn't that French girlyman all, "Bitch, stop spying 'n shit" a couple days back?
Now it's all Jar Jar Binks, "Hmmm... yousa point is well seen. "
Who run Bartertown?
It's called the " Need Want". Reminds me of the Nikkei {day traders}.
"girlyman" LMAO still in the Top 10 contributions to English Language in 100 years
Wonder why that Russian satellite launch 'failed'. Hummmm!
Apparently software shut the engines down...
this will blow up in the u.s. governments face......guaranteed..........obama thinks he is leading a country with 1970s influence.................no fucking chance of that anymore................
i don't think so man. This guy snowden is going to have a very bad ending to complete the "don't even fkin think about it" message to the world, which is folding one by one in fear of it.
I think the world of you Fonz. KITO, is correct in his opinion/perception. Snowden is being protected as we speak.
Do you think Putin didn't use some "BACK DOORS"? I've been around the block a few times Fonz, and I can assure you that there will always be { BACK DOORS}.
There's a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in.
Welcome aboard, BITC HZ ( gotta thorn in my toe)<
I just hope the guy has a dead man switch on the Stuff.
It is time these madmen are destroyed before they exterminate the human race.
Pure Evil.
He's already said he does. I just hope that Wikileaks isn't the sole means of distribution when it gets activated, since that organization is compromised in a multitude of ways.
We can only hope when he is inevitably silenced, his last message will be the loudest the US federal government has ever heard. If Snowden is legit I think it's entirely possible we'll see an unexpected internet "glitch" happen within a few days of his being captured or killed, if not a full on activation of a kill switch.
.....so now we see who call the shots and who are the shitbag bitchez of Uncle Sham.
"Uncle Sham" - love it! Gonna use it - why didn't i think of that? (sounds like me)
close relative of Uncle Scam
Funny you no longer hear much about Innerpole (sic). Aren't they allowed to arrest interntional criminals, even if they do work or head the government?
reminds me of a movie,
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0963178/?ref_=sr_1
What were they going to do? Shoot it down? Bullshit. Just ignore them. They not going to fire on the Bolivian President's plane.
No need. The plane will just run out of fuel and fall from the sky when it is refused landing rights *everywhere*. Welcome to the NWO.
BOLIVIA, LAND OF THE FREE AND HOME OF THE BRAVE
Unless you are a local Senator from the opposition ... then you may need refuge in a Brazilian embassy (which won't give him asylum because they are all bolivarian govs but also have to save face and can't kick him out the gates).
Hmmmm. That comment seems a little MSM.
Latin America is not easily understood by Anglos, and comments like this indicate a lack of study not only that but a warped perspective.
Can you list a few msm articles on that, please?
After so many hours I guess you, misitu, cannot list a single article because my view is not one shared with MSM ... try something better next time.
Been asleep over here. Time zone issues. Sorry for the delay.
Opposition to the present Bolivian government has been vested largely in the Media Luna departments that is the lowland areas ranched by rich white emigrés from Europe etc.
It is your goodself that needs to evoke some understanding of (a) the complexities of the mindset in the non anglo half of the w hemisphere and (b) just how the moneyed classes, gringos, and foreigners in general are perceived down here.
After a few centuries, the locals are wise to some of the snidier tricks espoused by Our Friends Up North.
See my reply below. He has not been granted asylum in Brazil, he asked the Brazilian Supreme Court to help his cause because the Executive branch (bolivarian/comunist) won't help him.!
Poor Wee Bugger. Please see my reply below :-))
How about ...
Bolivian senator with asylum in embassy asks brazil high court for helpBRASILIA – Bolivian opposition Sen. Roger Pinto, who has been taking refuge in the Brazilian Embassy in La Paz for almost a year, has asked the Brazilian ...
www.laht.com/article.asp?CategoryId=14919&ArticleId=782259 - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight
Brazil grants asylum to Bolivian senatorLA PAZ, Bolivia (AP) — Brazil announced on Friday that it was granting asylum to a Bolivian opposition senator who has holed up in its embassy in La Paz ...
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Bolivia: Senator's asylum bid embarrasses MoralesLA PAZ, Bolivia (AP) — An opposition senator's decision to seek exile in the ... Oddly, it includes Pinto's expressed desire to be granted asylum not in Brazil but ...
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Bolivian Senator Pinto Granted Asylum by Brazil - WSJ.com8 Jun 2012 ... Brazil has granted political asylum to a Bolivian senator who sought refuge in the Brazilian Embassy in La Paz in late May, claiming that his ...
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Bolivian senator with asylum in embassy asks Brazil high court for ...20 May 2013 ... Brasilia, May 20 (EFE).- Bolivian opposition Sen. Roger Pinto, who has been taking refuge in the Brazilian Embassy in La Paz for almost a year, ...
www.globalpost.com/ dispatch/ news/ agencia-efe/ 130520/ bolivian-senator-asylum-embassy-asks-brazil-high-court-help - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight
Brazil enhances protection of asylum-seeking Bolivian senator ...12 Apr 2013 ... The Brazilian Foreign Ministry Thursday announced visitation guidelines to protect a Bolivian senator, who has been seeking asylum at Brazil's ...
www.globaltimes.cn/content/774542.shtml - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight
Bolivian Senator Roger Pinto political asylum UPDATE | Bolivian ...8 Jun 2012 ... Brazil confirmed to Bolivia that granted asylum to Senator Pinto. The Brazilian Government position reiterated to the Bolivian Foreign Ministry ...
www.bolivianthoughts.com/ 2012/ 06/ 08/ bolivian-senator-roger-pinto-political-asylum-update/ - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight
Bolivian Drug Accuser Seeks Asylum in Brazil30 May 2012 ... SÃO PAULO, Brazil—The head of the opposition in the Bolivian congress has ... Sen. Roger Pinto, an opposition leader from the Amazonian ...
www.interamericansecuritywatch.com/ bolivian-drug-accuser-seeks-asylum-in-brazil/ - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight
Ferraço fears for the integrity of arrested soccer fans in Bolívia ...4 May 2013 ... Back to Brazil after visiting the 12 Corinthians' fans arrested in Bolivia, senator ... Ferraço also told he had talked to Bolivian senator Molina, who was denied ... political asylum to the parliamentary, who could have been killed.
www12.senado.gov.br/ internacional/ en/ 2013/ back-to-brazil-ferraco-says-he-is-afraid-for-the-integrity-of-arreste d-soccer-fans-in-bolivia - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight
Bolivian Politician Takes Refuge at Brazilian Embassy - NYTimes.com30 May 2012 ... But the Brazilian foreign ministry said that Mr. Pinto had asked for asylum in Brazil. The ministry said that it was evaluating his request. Bolivia's ...
https://www.nytimes.com/ 2012/ 05/ 31/ world/ americas/ bolivian-politician-takes-refuge-at-brazilian-embassy.html - View by Ixquick Proxy - Highlight
There, that wasn't too difficult!
(apart from the penultimate rogue result)
Now, off the top of my head ...
Pando is one of the Media Luna (Half Moon) Departments in Eastern (lowland) Bolivia.
A previous Governor of Pando, if memory serves me correctly, was arrested and tried for organising a massacre of an group of indigenos and campesinos meeting to support Evo Morales and protest against their own Departmental government.
Further, again if memory serves me correctly, the then USA Ambassador to Bolivia was given his marching orders by the Bolivian Government on the basis of documentary evidence that DEA funding had been applied to anti Morales "political" groups in the Media Luna.
If you like, I will go and research the history and provide links. But I am a bit lazy and if the above helps, I am happy to leave it at that.
One of your articles:
12 Apr 2013 ... The Brazilian Foreign Ministry Thursday announced visitation guidelines to protect a Bolivian senator, who has been seeking asylum at Brazil's ...
So there ... one year and still hasn't got it! He is there, he is "protected" but cannot leave to Brazil, which he has asked, because he was not granted asylum. If he was a common criminal he would have been returned but the bolivian gov cannot produce evidence against him. That is enough for his cause but the current Brazilian gov, belonging to the same "bolivarian ideals" (comunists) won't give him a free pass.
I hope now you understand it.
From the article you quoted,
"The right-wing senator, major land owner, has been seeking asylum at Brazil's embassy in the Bolivian capital of La Paz for the past 11 months, alleging he is the target of political persecution by the Bolivian government.
"Bolivia's government, meanwhile, has refused to grant him safe conduct to travel to Brazil, saying the senator is a defendant in a series of court cases related to his political activities.
"Pinto has been accused of involvement in the September 2008 massacre of 18 peasants and in irregular sale of lands."
I wasn't sure if this was the same Governor of Pando who was in the frame for the massacre I mentioned earlier. But there cannot be too many of them.
It seems that the point you wish me to agree is that said gentleman is stuck in the Embassy (¿Consulate?) waiting for Asylum Permission that looks unlikely as/while his case(s) is/are pending in his own country. That I would agree. He is definitely stuck.
It also seems as though you wish me to agree that the governments of Bolivia and Brazil have mutually sympathetic points of view. I can't dispute that either.
Finally, it seems as though you wish me to agree that said gentleman should be given a free pass to Brazil notwithstanding what must be a rather complex set of investigations to discover the facts of his legal situation. I suppose, though, given the general view that he is suspected of direct connections with the massacre in Pando, you might wish to hold fire on that one.
Thanks for the chat
M
We agree to disagree on that last point and yet he'll remain stuck there.
Thanks, bye.
No Problem, Cheers, read a bit more and you may well catch up with me - and reality
Their hysterical treatment of Snowden suggests they have some really bad shit to hide.
If they can do what they did on 911 - ie total dustification of the towers (see Dr Judy Wood), what else can they do?
Is Snowden is real, this is my read as well -- that he's got one or more somethings on his disk drives that could take out large portions of the government.
Just imagine what would happen if he had incontrovertable proof of US involvement in 9/11, for example, and it got released worldwide. Even something as simple as proof a single supreme court justice was being blackmailed to vote a particular way would trigger a constitutional crisis. The mind reels at the possibilities.
The domestic population at large wouldn't do a damn thing except go on with life as they know it. Vacation, ballgame, work, senior parents, nascar, dancing with the stars, etc..........
Thats exactly why and how the Constitution coup has gotten so far along, the lowest common denominator remains contented...
Really, it would not be a problem. Mainstream media would not report it.
But social media and blogs would. You look at the uptake of news MSM isn't reporting on a site like reddit, and it become apparently that if there's "big news" they'll have to pull the plug on the internet. Hence the talk about a cyber Pearl Harbor. I'm still not positive on Snowden's legitimacy, but it sure as hell looks like TPTB are losing their shit, big time, over this guy. I can only imagine it's because he's got his hand on Oz's curtain and is about to pull it wide open for all to see.
It's about time that Karma came around and bit the dick of the bullying, evil empire.
Watching W and Obama playing with a ball in Africa today nearly made me puke. Think of the horrors that have been inflicted in their names...well, really in the name of their puppet masters cuz we all know they're paid to do as they are told.
The puppet masters must be really scared...and we know what an evil beast does when he gets backed into a corner.
Yes, the possibilities are overwhelming...maybe photos as well.
Now thats some pussy ass behavior from the French.
You can't write this stuff.
Say hello to the formerly sovereign plurinational State of Bolivia.
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...and the fictionally sovereign states of France, Italy, Spain, and Portugal.
The transportation vehicle (airplane in this case) of a travelling head of state is considered a "Diplomatic Pouch" and cannot be searched under international law.
The Austrians can follow the orders of the USA and deny airspace or even force the plane to land, but if they search the plane it is an act of war.
Of course, everyone knows Bolivia can't touch the USA (or Austria) so expect the Austrians to do as they're told (and commit an act of war) and board and search every nook and cranny on the plane.
That's like France did to Reagan in the 80's when he went in to bomb Tripoli. So here's France on the one hand denying overflight of their country to a possible Snowden plane while at the same time blasting the US for spying on them. Which is it, spying is good or spying is bad? Make a decision France!
correction, France, Spain and Italy denied the US overflight when Reagan went into bomb Tripoli adding 1300 miles to the mission.
So did Portugal, actually, but the f111 still flew past, IIRC...
Can you imagine if airspace was denied to the plane of the president of the united States of America ?
I would do it in a heart beat if I were in the position to do so.
Now THAT i would like to see.
US: "Pierre... We need a favor. Please deny overflight of your airspace to Tail Number XXXXXX."
FR: "Sir, this is highly irregular, especially considering the recent revelations of your espionage activities within France and the EU."
US: "Pierre... We will wire $10 million USD to the bank account of your choice. Quietly, of course. We would suggest moving it quickly to bullion."
FR: "What was that tail number again, Monsieur?"
US: "XXXXXX"
FR: "Oh, that's is the Bolivian! We never liked him and they make terrible wine. Consider it done. Now Sir, do you have a pen in hand?"
Most excellent!