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Live Egypt Feed As Morsi Rebuffs Military; Army Lays Out "Transition Roadmap"

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Update: the local army has already laid out the framework of what the upcoming "coup" will look like. via Reuters:


"The country is heading toward a clash and a civil war," warned Morsi's political opposition party leader after the President rebuffed demands for stability from the military (or else). As Bloomberg notes, the vaguely worded statement from Morsi's office that they would continue to walk the "path that was outlined" regardless of "any statements that could deepen the divisions between the sons of the nation, and could threaten social peace," is as clear a snub to the coup-threat as it comes without directly addressing them and has merely served to bolster the anti-Morsi protesting crowds in Cairo's Tahrir Square. Growing fears of tensions spilling over - and a closure of the Suez Canal - have pushed WTI crude prices back above $99. With 33 hours to the Military's deadline and crowds swelling even further, the celebrations yesterday are beginning to turn to anger once again.

The Morsi Timer counts down...

And tensions remain high...


WTI is surging...


As the Suez Canal chokepoint fears rise once again...

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Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:49 | 3713897 IridiumRebel
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Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:59 | 3713942 McMolotov
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It's the final countdown!

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:06 | 3713962 francis_sawyer
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I'm fucked ~ It takes longer than that for the yeast to rise for my bread helmet...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:18 | 3714010 IridiumRebel
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Bread Helmet?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:22 | 3714022 McMolotov
Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:30 | 3714060 IridiumRebel
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I guess I do not know my meme. The info I glean in this place is priceless. 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:47 | 3714114 knukles
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Coupie coupie coup


wait a fucking minute... Egypt is so yesterday, we got Syria to deal with then Iran first...  somebody in the NWo is gonna get really pissed about this ... how come we never have time to do it right the first time but always have time to go back and do it over, again

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:48 | 3714129 IridiumRebel
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They are spinning many plates.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:51 | 3714145 malikai
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I'm just glad I got to see Egypt before all this happened.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:32 | 3714200 Jumbotron
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Morsi is about to get MUBARACKED.

Wouldn't it be funny if Morsi ended up in the hospital alongside Mubarack and Mubarack woke up from his coma long enough to tell Morsi...

"Karma's a Bitch"

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:12 | 3714610 Unknown User
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The Arab Spring was invented to demolish countries. Muslim Brotherhood is too slow for that... so expect a civil war.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:24 | 3714636 Joe Sixpack
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Ouch. I was blinded by a green laser in the video. Can I sue someone?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 13:45 | 3714537 General Decline
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"I'm just glad I got to see Egypt before all this happened."


I went there for two days in April of 2012.  I basically went from the hotel to work and then directly back to the hotel.  Wanted to go see the pyrimids but didn't want to risk it - carrying a blue passport and all.  I figured I'd be going back at a later date when things calmed down and I would see them then.  It's not looking good.


If I do go back, does anyone know how to say "please don't kill me.  I'm Canadian" in Aribic?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:37 | 3714689 mick_richfield
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Yes, I can help with that.

The phrase, as near as I can render it in Roman letters, is

"U-muck  gahch-bah."

Smile when you say it.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:36 | 3714679 Forty Six and 2
Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:11 | 3714226 CheapBastard
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Bread Helemt? Hey, don't give Lady Gaga any more ideas!

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:17 | 3714251 Race Car Driver
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I junked ya for referencing that evil Statanic-worshiping fucktard ... an icon that embodies everything that's wrong with our society and culture. If people didn't give attention to these creeps, mbbe they'd go away.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 13:51 | 3714553 Flakmeister
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Remember that Bread is always paired with Circuses....

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 15:43 | 3714982 Totentänzerlied
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I hope "Statanic" was not a typo. Can't believe I never thought of it!

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:32 | 3714046 DaveyJones
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When u 'rebuff" the military, do you shine his medals first or go straight for the general's hubcaps?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:19 | 3714242 francis_sawyer
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The "GO TO" helmet... [for 'Freedom of Choice'~ers]... They're passing 'em out for FREE [2:10]...


Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:28 | 3714047 Meat Hammer
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I recently watched the 1st 3 episodes of the Star Wars saga with my son. The similarities as to what's happening in the modern-day social, geopolitical world are astonishing.  

And the fight scenes are cool.


Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:36 | 3714083 akak
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Begun the drone wars have.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:54 | 3714158 Meat Hammer
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That reminds me, we saw Superman (we like movies) last weekend.  The man of steel takes down a surveillance drone that was spying on him and smashes it into the ground.  I cheered.  My wife looked at me with her 3D glasses and shook her head.  

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 13:44 | 3714534 disabledvet
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it's full on 24 mode now Meat Hammer. Pick up the re-runs.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:45 | 3714116 pods
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Ummm, there are only 3 Star Wars movies.


Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:58 | 3714173 akak
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Ummm, there were actually 6 Star Wars movies, pods.

Did you fall asleep in 1998 and just wake up?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:45 | 3714345 pods
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Well after suffering through that UNBEARABLE Jar Jar Binks character some time ago, I have decided that there are only 3.  
Helps me sleep better at night.

Oh, and Han shot first.


Tue, 07/02/2013 - 13:55 | 3714560 MachoMan
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I'm guessing the disney movies will be better than the first 3 episodes...  given the director and their recent success with "real" movies, like tron legacy (which was basically error free...  mind you, it didn't risk anything either, but it didn't fuck anything up...  all in all it didn't push the world of movies anywhere, but relative to its peers, it was really good).

I typically hate pg-13 movies, but every once and a while there is one worth sitting through.  If we get another jar-jar, I'll lose my shit.  Further, the story (including political subject matter) was simply too heavy handed...  kind of like the "dilldozer" on idiocracy (which is much more acceptible because from the audience's perspective, it was meant to be over the top...  not so much for lucas and co)...  While you can find similarities to the present political environment, they are only on the most superficial of level...  If you really want to make a political piece, then do your homework and make a go of it...  don't pussyfoot about.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:06 | 3714588 LFMayor
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Better:  only if they slow roast Jar Jar over a light saber.   The galaxy's biggest frog leg platter.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:07 | 3714592 General Decline
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"I'm guessing the disney movies will be better than the first 3 episodes... "

Pedophilles do seem rather gifted when it comes to producing Hollywood movies. And I'm not suggesting Goeorge Lucas isn't a pedophile either.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:01 | 3714570 tarsubil
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This is funny as I ultimately had the exact same response. I just started saying there are only 3 movies that episodes 1-3 didn't happen. I even thought about writing plots for the first 3 to fill in the gap.

However, denial must come to an end sooner or later.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:05 | 3714189 Meat Hammer
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pods, I assume you're referring to episodes 4, 5, & 6, which were released decades before 1, 2 & 3.  If you haven't seen the first 3 episodes, you must.  

Chancellor Palpatine (The Emperor) = Barack Obama.  

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:07 | 3714594 LFMayor
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I disagree MH.   Palpatine got shit accomplished.  This guy we have, I wouldn't trust him to piss on the campfire before he went to bed.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 15:47 | 3714998 Meat Hammer
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true, but Palpatine did have that whole dark-side-of-the force thing working for him.  

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:11 | 3714228 Dave Thomas
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Good news pods! You've passed the test! I gave up after Wrath of Kahn, Ricardo Montalban's pecks are still seared into my memory.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:45 | 3714119 NidStyles
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I watched all 6 of those movies over the weekend. The similarities were rather shocking.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:11 | 3714230 Flakmeister
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Yea, once you have seen one, you seen em' all...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:22 | 3714271 francis_sawyer
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Don't worry ~ 'Brokeback Mountain 2' will be out as soon as they fing a suitable replacement for Heath Ledger...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:28 | 3714292 Flakmeister
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Figures that you would be up on that....

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:42 | 3714344 CPL
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Recast it.  John Goodman and Danny Devito.  

That right there would be box office gold baby!  GOLD, who loves ya!! <gun fingers> 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:55 | 3714367 SDShack
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They already have the replacement. It's Manti Teo, and the movie is "Broke Lineback Manti". Manti Teo gives an Oscar winning performance in the unbelievable true story that combines Rudy, Brian's Song, You Got Mail, and Victor Victoria. Currently playing at San Diego venues, and select cities throughout the USA later this year.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:58 | 3714377 pods
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I thought they already made a movie about that guy?

The Truth About Alex.


Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:01 | 3714182 bank guy in Brussels
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« You can't eat sharia » - Egypt's Mohamed El Baradei

Very seriously it is all about bread in Egypt ... they have no solution to feed their people, which is why the military may not even want to rule there


Egypt might be the world tipping point showcasing the horror of out-of-control birth rates by poor people in Africa

For years now Egyptians have been living on food subsidies given to them, while multiplying babies exponentially

But Egypt is mostly desert, much farmland is ruined, and they have no viable large scale economy or industry

And if the world sends them money and food they will just have more babies

In their blind desperate fury the Egyptians are turning on each other, or on differing political groups or on religious minorities, like their 10 % Coptic Christians, or Shia or other minority Muslims

But the real problem is continually exploding over-population, by poor uneducated unemployed people, Egyptians who then mostly cut the genitals of their female children as well as circumcising the boys

Egypt is a crazy place

As it sinks into famine, the world will confront: Is there any other solution to over-population other than measures of repression and dictatorship ?


The rest of the world seems to be able to develop the common sense to limit numbers of children ... but not Africans, no matter what.

A couple decades back, there was famine in Ethiopia, when a large portion of the 40 million Ethiopians were hungry

World poured in money and aid and food, better farming techiques etc.

Now there are 80 million Ethiopians, population has doubled in no time. And it seems there is famine again ...

Demographers are hesitantly pointing out that the last continent of population boom, is Africa, and in fact most of the next 3 billion people to be added to the current world 7 billion, will come from Africa

From Canadian journalist (Mr) Gwynne Dyer, 'The African Population Disaster':

« ... much tutting and shaking of heads over its prediction that we will be ten billion by the end of the century. But almost nobody will have the temerity to point out that this is almost entirely an African problem ...

« The United Nations Population Fund’s own numbers tell the story. Africa currently has one-seventh of the world’s people: just over one billion. But during the rest of the century, the UN agency predicts, this single continent will add an extra 2.6 billion people, more than tripling in population, while all the rest of the world adds just half a billion. ...

« If it weren’t for the African population boom, the world’s population would never exceed 7.5 billion. »

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:03 | 3714197 akak
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Just make Trav777 the dictator of Africa for a year.

Problem solved.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 13:14 | 3714433 americanspirit
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If there is ever a shortage of tea and sugar you are really going to see some violence.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 13:29 | 3714492 11b40
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...and meanwhile one of the stupid parties just up and decided that life begins with fertilization, and plan to beat back women's reproductive rights.  They just love them fetuses.  Don't care much for the actual babies, mind you, but loves them fetuses.  They offer protection up until the time of birth, then you are on your own.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:17 | 3714624 Race Car Driver
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I believed this shit once. I was a brainwashed moron then.

I junked you for being one now.


Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:36 | 3714684 tip e. canoe
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once upon a time, the Nile Valley was fertile to grow enough to sustainably feed its population w/ surplus'o'plenty.  
the fertility of that valley is upon which the Egyptian Empire was built & survived thousands of years.  

now the Egyptian military ekes out the little remaining nutrients in the desert soil to grow cotton for the Gap
as the starving masses erupt at the new & improved puppet show admist the ancient ruins
while the availability of bread is dependent on the Latest, Greatest Empire
whose fertile plains are being desertified to grow synthetic crops for mass consumption.

...same as it ever was...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:36 | 3714321 solgundy
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why hasn't Obama ordered the Egyptian military to stand down. isn't BO the defacto CIC???

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:02 | 3714574 Magnix
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Is it going to be like Syria? 100,000+ killed in years of civil war?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:50 | 3713900 Xibalba
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The CIA is a complete an utter failure.  

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:53 | 3713915 seabiscuit
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If the stated mission was to make damn sure that the ME was a leaderless trainwreck, then it could be argued that they are doing a fine job.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:54 | 3713920 mayhem_korner
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The ME has been a train wreck a lot longer than the CIA has existed.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:48 | 3714127 Winston Churchill
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But not longer than MI6.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:53 | 3714151 malikai
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You passed the torch well, Sir Churchill.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:55 | 3714160 Flakmeister
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So, did you learn the basics of  the two-box model?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:57 | 3714170 malikai
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Been dealing with software problems lately. Your stuff is on my list though. Probably by the time we have another one of those threads I'll have dug through those papers.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 13:00 | 3714381 Flakmeister
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Follow the two links in the article, one discusses the forcings, the other goes into more detail...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:56 | 3713926 Spastica Rex
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As always, value is a matter of perspective.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:58 | 3713933 Flakmeister
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Your comment on St. Ayn the other night was positively cheeky...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:09 | 3713973 Spastica Rex
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I was disappointed that I didn't get more flak for it.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:11 | 3713981 Flakmeister
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Hey!  I saw what you did....

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:48 | 3714132 knukles
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come on akak, take a shot....

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:04 | 3714202 akak
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OK.  I'll try to avoid the eyes this time.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:19 | 3714015 aerojet
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Unlikely.  They want to be players there and install stable, puppet regimes.  Blowback is a bitch.  The CIA and other intelligence agencies like to ignore unintended consequences--they sow instability and then try to guide what happens after that and if it doesn't work out, they just wash their hands of it and claim the chaos is what they intended in the first place. 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:52 | 3714147 Herd Redirectio...
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Don't underestimate an opponent.  Don't overestimate them either.

If you want to talk about unintended consequences, I think the Net is a perfect example. 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:55 | 3714161 optimator
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Confirmed when the head of the CIA, Betrayus, couldn't even hide his little affair from the NSA!

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:04 | 3714199 glenlloyd
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Not if you consider success in the amount of tax payer dollars consumed....

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:50 | 3713903 ParkAveFlasher
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choke pointz, bitchez!

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:52 | 3713909 NoDebt
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This may sting a bit.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:53 | 3713916 mayhem_korner
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The oil story has been under-reported in the MSM, just like rising yields.  Both stand to erode any remaining wimper of economic vitality that is left on the globe.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:09 | 3713970 salimmk
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yea, they're more cocerned with gays/zimmerman/immigration

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:52 | 3714148 krispkritter
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Speaking of Zimmerman, wonder what US cities are going to look like the day they find him Not Guilty...should be interesting.  

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:58 | 3714177 THX 1178
Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:35 | 3714320 lakecity55
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Yes, it's bad when the inner chimp gets loose.

Either way the verdict goes, expect wild, feral beasts to be on the loose.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:10 | 3714205 g'kar
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Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:16 | 3714248 Meat Hammer
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wonder what US cities are going to look like the day they find him Not Guilty...should be interesting. 

Picture Detroit, just not as nice.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:35 | 3714317 krispkritter
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I picture Detroit in flames.  Will solve that problem with all the empty houses having to be torn down.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:26 | 3714286 Gringo Viejo
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@Krisp Which is why an innocent man will be found guilty.
The mirror image of the OJ verdict. Count on it.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:33 | 3714313 lakecity55
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Riots either way.

Time for moar free stuff for the free shit army.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:28 | 3714658 vulcanraven
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I was born and raised in Los Angeles, I know exactly what it is going to look like.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 13:34 | 3714510 11b40
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.....and lookng up women's skirts.  Don't forget about that.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:54 | 3713918 ArgentDawn
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So the 4th of July is Egyptian D-Day? How appropo.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:55 | 3713921 Flakmeister
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Egypt is about to become the largest failed state on the planet...

I can only hope that the antiquities are somehow saved....

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:59 | 3713941 NoDebt
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I already have my crew of vultures in there.  As soon as things go into full civil war we're going to swipe the Pyramids while nobody is watching.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:03 | 3713952 McMolotov
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I call dibs on the Sphinx.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:08 | 3713967 NidStyles
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I get the Valley of the Kings!


Will immediately start bulldozing and digging for gold.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:50 | 3714142 knukles
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I'm still waiting for my delivery of the Palin of Jars from 1967

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 13:17 | 3714152 Flakmeister
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Weren't there Gorillas fighting there?


Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:02 | 3713951 mayhem_korner
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Egypt has been the largest failed state on the planet since the Exodus.  It never regained its status.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:13 | 3713989 john39
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makes one wonder what really happened by then... and who was enslaving whom.  was fiat involved?  we have one version of the events, but how trustworthy is that really... 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:16 | 3714004 Flakmeister
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It was the Joo bankers that did Ramses in....


Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:35 | 3714075 john39
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1000 years from now, how will the history of the collapse of the United States be written?  any mention of zionist bankers and fiat currency?  i seriously doubt it...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:51 | 3714146 Flakmeister
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Given our species current trajectory I would be delighted to learn that in 1000 years anyone would even be in a position to write a scholarly work on the history of the American Empire....

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:25 | 3714280 Race Car Driver
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What would Kurzweil say? He needs immortality now ... not in 30 years.

The push is on.

BTW: not my junk.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:37 | 3714327 Race Car Driver
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Oh, my ...


We can already store data - music, software, etc... - in DNA. The Grail is gonna be to import/export/transport/refresh/reboot human-memory stuff.




Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:52 | 3714149 optimator
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Our history books have never mentioned Zionists, bankers, or fiat currency!  Nor has the MSM.

"If you can't talk about someone, they own you".  Answers the why not.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:55 | 3714165 azzhatter
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Funny/sad how the US has the world's strongest military and the world's weakest people

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 13:49 | 3714164 CaptainSpaulding
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No, That was Charlton Heston. Yule Brenner is no match for the almighty Heston

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:16 | 3714246 mayhem_korner
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Ramses wasn't the Pharoah of the Exodus.  But you would have to have gotten your history from a more credible source than the movies to know that.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:26 | 3714287 Flakmeister
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Aside from the Old Testament, aka the Torah, there is no mention of the Exodus....

So where do you get your history from? I think we just got a clue...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:42 | 3714335 mayhem_korner
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Sure there's no info out there on Amenhotep iii, Tuthmosis IV et al. (the Pharoahs at the time of Egypt's fall)? 

Judging by your posts, history just isn't your thing.

(and you'll have to forgive me if my religion isn't a completely un-substantiated, evidence-free thing like AGW)

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:58 | 3714375 Flakmeister
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Fuck you with your bait-and-switch..

You were talking about Exodus, for which the only "evidence" is from the Torah....

Don't try to fucking weasel out...

BTW, anybody who thinks the globe isn't warming is a moron, exactly like those Republicans that make completely asinine statements about the female reproductive system...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 13:04 | 3714397 akak
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As I have stated here and elsewhere many times, one can argue all one wants about worldwide temperature measurements, but in the end the ongoing, worldwide melting of glacial ice, both polar and alpine, on EVERY continent, is irrefutable proof that the world IS warming, and has been warming for at least the last century.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:03 | 3714579 Dr. Engali
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But it's not irrefutable proof that the warming is caused by man. The earth's climate has, and always will run in cycles.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:37 | 3714690 Flakmeister
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Irrefutable proof is not a scientific concept, however, the statistical probabilility of non-anthropogenic  factors being responsible for the observed increase in global temperature is basically zero once you take into account the measured IR spectra, human C02 emissions etc...

The temperature data of the past 150 years cannot be explained without including the effect of C02 emitted by humans.  

And sorry, the climate doesn't cycle all of its own accord, it responds to imbalances in the energy flow at measured at the  top of the atmosphere. More energy coming in or being trapped must be compensated for by a rise in temperature until the earth reaches a new equilibrium. The Milankovitch cycles responsible for the Ice Ages over the past 800,000 years are a perfect example....


Tue, 07/02/2013 - 15:26 | 3714914 Shell Game
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"The temperature data of the past 150 years cannot be explained without including the effect of C02 emitted by humans."


Then why, after a global economic crash/slowdown after 2008, haven't we seen a downward blip in measurable CO2 levels?  Has the press ignored/censored this? Is measurement methodology too insensitive to catch a difference?  I'd be much interested if you know of a source that catches said slowdown in terms of CO2...


Tue, 07/02/2013 - 15:41 | 3714972 Flakmeister
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You are serious? Why don;t you spend 2 minutes and compute what the change in C02 levels would be? Did we stop burning fossil fuels at any point?

I'll help you, here is the worlds fossil fuel usage over the past few years

and here is C02 data

Let me know what you find.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 16:11 | 3715067 Shell Game
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{Honest dialogue redacted due to target being a complete cunt and waste of emitted carbon.}

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 16:58 | 3715125 Flakmeister
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Did you get embarrassed when you realized that you made a ridiculous statement that demonstrated your ignorance?

PS Here is your answer

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:18 | 3714571 mayhem_korner
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I didn't say the globe isn't're putting words into my mouth.  And btw, it's the attribution that gets you in trouble, lightweight.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:43 | 3714716 Flakmeister
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Still playing the weasel I see....

So you now agree that it is warming, well, I have been blessed by a small victory it would seem...

Could you explain why it is warming since about ~1850 given that the long term trend from 8000 years ago until then was that it was cooling (as expected)?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 15:46 | 3714841 mayhem_korner
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Why would I waste my time on your misdirections?

[Edit: 8,000 years of empirical "trends" is irrefutable in your mind, yet the exodus that was 3,500 years ago must be discarded because it's only recorded in one place.  Tell us who recorded the data 8,000 years ago, shmuck-meister?  You can put another check mark in your "loss" column.]

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 15:49 | 3715005 Flakmeister
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Here you go, 11,300 years worth....

Or did you think that a thermometer was the only way to measure a temperature difference?

Or even better here is 400,000 years of remarkably precise indirect temperature measurements:

And the actual peer-reviewed  paper

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 15:58 | 3715043 Totentänzerlied
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I like how you misuse words to suit your rhetorical needs, but you're a bit too blatant about it.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 16:52 | 3715135 Flakmeister
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Oh, how so?

Scientists have figured out how to do a lot of stuff that would seem like magic to most any human from as recent as 100 years ago...

Edit: If you knew the most rudimentary basics of measurement theory you would know that you can measure differences far more precisely than absolutes...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 16:03 | 3715056 mayhem_korner
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Good boy!  So tell us who recorded that data 400,000 years ago to verify its precision?

["Peer review" is lib-speak for circle jerk, right?]

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 16:34 | 3715148 Flakmeister
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Sorry if you don't understand the known dependence of Oxygen 18 ratio on temperature... Really I am..

Here is a primer

Hope it helps...

But then again, you talk like a young earth creationist so you are comfortable with fairy tales and leery of anything that might bring into question your worldview... Very natural....

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 16:40 | 3715167 mayhem_korner
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Tough being a scientist with no evidence, isn't it?  That's why you are nothing more than a cleric.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 16:49 | 3715192 Flakmeister
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Hey, it is not my fault that you are unwilling or incapable of learning...

Over 13,000 papers have been written on climate science, not one disputing the AGW conclusion has shown to be reproducible or logically consistent....

At least you now accept that the globe as warming....

And if scientist were as venal and incompetent as you seem to suggest, there is no fucking way we would have ever been able to have this discussion over the Internet...

Ta ta till next time....

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 16:50 | 3715196 mayhem_korner
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I didn't say scientists are incompetent...just that you are, cleric.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 16:54 | 3715210 Flakmeister
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The irony is palpable given your statements above on Exodus....

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 18:00 | 3715445 mayhem_korner
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I bet you've authored peer-reviewed papers about the science behind irony being "palpable"...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:06 | 3714586 Shell Game
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BTW, anybody who thinks the globe isn't warming is a moron, exactly like those Republicans that make completely asinine statements about the female reproductive system...

Agreed.  Or like those Democrats who make completely asinine statements about firearms, or about gov't debt.  Let's show some moderate political/social intelligence and ditch the fucking divide agenda already..

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 15:01 | 3714820 Flakmeister
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There is big difference between verifiable  empirical facts, i.e. the functioning of a woman's reproductive system or the IR absorption properties of C02 and the subjective opinions of people on the 2nd amendment and the like...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 15:11 | 3714856 Shell Game
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...and therein lies the great gulf - the history of unarmed societies overlapping the contortion of rule into tyranny is perfectly empirical.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 15:51 | 3715018 Flakmeister
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Fill your boots elsewhere, I ain't interested in your infatuation with the 2nd amendment.....

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 16:11 | 3715087 Shell Game
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LOL. You always turn sour when you're fucking proved wrong.  What a fucking prick coward you are - man up and be honest.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 16:36 | 3715155 Flakmeister
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Hardly, I really don't fucking care about the 2nd Amendment...

Now take your bitch slapping with regards to C02 levels like a man... Maybe tomorrow will be better for you...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:31 | 3714304 lakecity55
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I thought Yul Brinner was Pharoah back then.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:14 | 3713994 Flakmeister
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The Fatimid Caliphate would argue otherwise....

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:15 | 3713995 arnoldsimage
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bullshit. i saw at least three protesters with ipads.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:58 | 3713935 Dr. Engali
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On one side you have Morsi backed by the incompetent obummer, on the other you you have the military and millions of civilians. I think I know which side I would choose.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:03 | 3713953 fonzannoon
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Doc I was under the impression that the civilians and the military were not exactly best buds. Am I wrong there?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:08 | 3713961 Dr. Engali
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None of them are best buds. That is why this will be extremely ugly if it gets out of control. I know for certain that there is no good outcome for Morsi on this if it breaks down.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:09 | 3713971 fonzannoon
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well I am watching this very closely. If it looks like it is going to blow sky hight i just hope ?i sell my gold and get into the S&P 500 in time to hide out in the safe haven.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:15 | 3713988 Dr. Engali
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I'm going all in on micro-caps and Egyptian bonds.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:40 | 3714701 tip e. canoe
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try the TAWI ETF (3x leverage)

As for joint ventures and international relations, Egypt’s military is in cooperation with:
- Gap - Baumhueter - Calvin Klein - Marks and Spencer - Peacocks - Jeep - Combined Tactical Systems - Tesco - Macy’s - Pratt and Whitney Canada - CATIC - Aerospace - Snecma - EADS  - Eurokopter  - Dassault  - Aerospatiale  - SAT  - Thales  - Datron  - Lockheed Martin  - CSB  - CPMIEC  - Landmark  - ZTE - Norinco - Temoinsa

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:59 | 3713940 Gringo Viejo
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I'm givin' 5-2 Morsi's dead in a week.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:24 | 3714031 IridiumRebel
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Is Obama gonna swing by to save the day?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:53 | 3714153 knukles
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Hah ha ha ha ha ha

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:59 | 3714180 krispkritter
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What are you laughing about?  That's going to cost us another $100 million and extra for the bread helmets! ;)

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 13:42 | 3714533 11b40
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No way....Allah has his back.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:12 | 3714607 rubearish10
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Yeah, that'll bring peace.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:02 | 3713947 Flakmeister
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WTI is not moving on the Egyptian news, the WTI-Brent spread is tightening. You would expect the converse if anything or lockstep movement...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:04 | 3713956 fonzannoon
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I'm expecting a massive rally in stocks when they reach an agreement, or a massive rally in stocks if they don't.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:10 | 3713974 NidStyles
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Hmm, so let me get this right... If the wind is blowing, the stocks are rallying then?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:15 | 3713992 McMolotov
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"You don't need a gynecologist to know which way the wind blows."

—Tony Soprano

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