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Richard Nixon: "Anything The NSA Did Is Totally Defensible"
Much electronic ink has been spilled in the global media over the past month (all of it intercepted apriori by the NSA of course), in the aftermath of the Snowden whistleblowing revelations, comparing Obama to Dubya. However, as it turns out, that may not be the proper comparison. A far better one may have been between the current president and one Richard M. Nixon.
Nixon and his most senior aides spent hours discussing plans to use Federal law enforcement agencies and intelligence services to conduct domestic spying operations against Americans.
In 1970, Nixon personally approved the most radical of these plans. It was called ''the Huston plan,'' after its author, Tom Charles Huston, a White House aide. J. Edgar Hoover, Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, blocked its full implementation five days later. Mr. Dean, who in 1973 decided to cooperate with Federal investigators in the Watergate case, took a copy of the Huston plan with him when he left the White House.
In the new transcripts, Nixon and his aides worry aloud about the plan becoming public. One fragmentary transcript shows the White House wondering if elements of the plan survived after Hoover died in May 1972 and was succeeded by an Acting F.B.I. Director loyal to the Nixon White House, L. Patrick Gray.
In the Oval Office on May 16, 1973, Mr. Buzhardt told Nixon about his discussions with the deputy director of the National Security Agency, Louis W. Tordella, about the Huston plan. The N.S.A. conducts international electronic eavesdropping, but like the C.I.A., it is not supposed to spy on Americans at home.
''Anything the N.S.A. did is totally defensible,'' Nixon said, referring to the Huston plan.
Mr. Buzhardt replied: ''They move into a broader category with respect to domestic affairs'' -- an illegal realm.
''What do you mean?'' Nixon asked. ''Electronic surveillance?''
Mr. Buzhardt replied, ''Yes, sir, targeting U.S. citizens' conversations.''
Nixon appeared unsure that the Huston plan had been turned off. ''D.I.A. says that -- thinks it was terminated?'' he asked, referring to the Defense Intelligence Agency, a Pentagon service that was part of the Huston plan.
''They think it was terminated,'' Mr. Buzhardt said. ''Now, we're going to check this thoroughly with N.S.A.'' because ''they were the most aggressive group.'' Referring to Mr. Tordella's notes on the Huston plan, Mr. Buzhardt added: ''They never quite got a handle on it until Pat Gray was appointed'' in 1972.
In that same conversation, Nixon anticipated a story saying ''the President authorized a super-duper activity in 1970'' involving ''burglary, etc., and wiretapping.'' Defiantly, he said Americans would understand the plan was to control riots by people protesting the Vietnam War.
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So, which is it, Barack H. Nixon or Richard M. Obama?
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Common thread? Kissinger. O worked for Kissinger. Coinkidink?
Henry worked with the Rockefellers........
Dick M Obama has a nice ring to it.
It's all Richard Nixon's fault!
barack milhous husein husein husein osama bin obama bin laden obama bush, hah!
"Tricky Dick" Obama.
tricky dick = nixon
bent dick = clinton
no dick = bush
sucks dick = obama
has dick = hillary
"Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal."
-- Richard M. Nixon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejvyDn1TPr8
When a president does it (or any other government employee), it should be indictable as a violation of their oath, a high crime and misdemeanor, and a violation the constitutional rights of a US citizen. One count for EACH AND EVERY person spied on/recorded/or surveilled without the proper court warrants. All penalties should be cumulative.
No blanket warrants by some secret FISA court. Our court system is supposed to be open to the "light of day" for civilian scrutiny. If not, then exactly what is happening today always happens. Justice being determined by a few corrupt individuals (usually elected or appointed) in dark smoke filled rooms. In other words....TYRANNY!
http://hateandanger.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/i-am-not-a-crook-by-todays-standards.jpg
The correct image for this post.
"OUTFUCKINGSTANDING" MOFREE / Five Stars
Stackers thas wude!!!
seems to lean a soggy and hurried justification for the most divisive president (OBAMA) to the defense less Nixon (NON SOCIALIST) who obviosly overstepped very badly.
both at fault. damage and reach today compared to what was achievable in 1972 NOT-COMPARABLE. Check dates to put in contex. Almost good article...
but loose..
you're getting warmer now
Kissinger is a lizard.. he worked with Judas
"Wow. I just threw up a little in my mouth. Shall I swallow like I always do?" - Average Joe waking up from a bad dream to find out reality is more frightening than his worst nightmares.
It's like a Cheney/Rumsfeld wet dream
A waking dream, unfortunately.
"I am not a crook"
"would you buy a used car from this man??"
Thats just wrong.
Somehow, I knew you couldn't resist. LOL
Kissinger: "The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer." Wikileaks revealed material. Now do you understand why Snowden is a hero? You folks really need to understand the concept of Liberty.
Fuck Nixon.
And the surveillance state he rode in on.
I tweeted this article with the following tweet - Obama and Nixon. If this doesn't wake you from the left/right march of the zombie sheeple then FUCK YOU!!!
You're a doctor AND a poet, damn it! Jim!
Gets rid of the gold standard, fucks every middle class family and child for two generations, and then gleefully proclaims "we are all keynesian now"
Well speak for yourslef you ugly, fucking paranoid, meglomanic, rotting corpse!
When in doubt blame Bush or Nixon always. Just wondering how they can tie Obamacare to these two?
Don't know how they can tie Obamacare, but both Nixon and Obama are big DICKS. Tricky DICK and Chicago Gangsta DICK.
That's easy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QkgUkM0o6Q
You miss the point, which is not to exonerate one by blaming the other.
The point is they are all from the same fucking shitbag.
After so much red/blue conditioning, it is a tough concept to grasp for many (not here so much). Honestly I'm still fighting it myself sometimes because I despise the blue team so much.
The Vietnam war was fought for one purpose only: to spend so much money so that they HAD to abandon Bretton Woods.
can you expand?
The US Dollar was defined in terms of gold. 1 oz gold = $35. So in order to print more money, they needed more gold. The problem was, how to do away with this (flexible) rule, so they could print as much as possible? Well deficit spending of course. Hence a huge, multidecade, "no-win" war. Korea didn't suffice as it was over in two years. They needed a much larger one.
Anyways they were deficit spending to finance Vietnam, although according to the rules, paper money was redeemable in gold. So France (DeGaulle in particular) said, ok, assholes, we call your bluff, redeem our USD's for gold. The DeGaulle redemption was the straw the broke the camel's back. Nixon cancelled the redemption because we didn't have that much gold. The gold-backed dollar had been debased (illegally) and everyone knew it.
So the Bretton Woods agreement was broken.
That was the desired result.
Matter of perspective, SeizeMars. The Vietnam war was the slippery slope of hubris and greed that ended up creating a giant wealth transfer mechnism which financed with deficit spending from taxpayer pocket to big oil and Big MIC. Ike was right when he warned about the threat.
Oh yes, no argument, it was definitely a military contractors dream come true. But it was a banking fiasco first and foremost. That was the driver.
To get Vitenam in the proper context, one needs to study the following:
1. Operation Northwoods
2. LL Lemnitzer's role presenting Operation Northwoods (false flag to create war plan) to Kennedy and then getting demoted.
3. Lemnitzer's promotion to head NATO and his work on Operation Gladio (false flag to destabilize opposition live operation).
4. The Gulf of Tonkin false flag to create war operation. The torpedo incident in the Gulf of Tonkin never happened.
Also note that the MIC is owned/controlled by Big Finance Capital, the same international banking cartel (IBC) controllers that rent seek the world's money... and I would bet that Vietnam wasn't part of the international banking cartel's debt based money system prior to the Vietnam War. Muslims don't allow usury until the IBC uses US resources to bomb them into submission, then a central bank is set up. In the case of Libya, the central bank was set up before the banksters used NATO to finance al Qaeda types to fully overthrow Libya.
It is true that the money supply of the nations used to have value behind it - an immense amount of gold and silver. Now that wealth has been looted primarily by the IBC types.
Sun Tzu said that endless wars would bankrupt the host country... do ya think the IBC wants to bankrupt America and put its financial boot on our neck? Yeah.
The Vitenam War, the Gulf War, the Iraq War, the Afghan War (for drug market and other resource control) are all ways to maximize the profits of the IBC's military complex corporate front, to saturate society with unpayable debts (their profit is society's unpayable debt, BY DEFINITION) and to keep society from ever enjoying a time of peace that they would come to expect.
Fear is a tremendous motivator and control mechansim.
thanks
Not exactly as you stated. The VietNam War was set up as the ultimate wealth transfer vehicle at the time.
So it was only a matter of time before it turned into the ultimate armored wealth transfer vehicle. For our safety. And for the children.
The seeds of US involvement in what was once French Indochina date back to Eisenhower, from what I have read. While the French were being mauled by the locals there, Eisenhower wanted West Germany to be allowed to reindustrialize. France, which had a vote on the issue (remember, Germany had been divided into four zones of interest among the USSR, the US, France and Great Britain following WW II), wanted US assistance in southeast Asia in return for an affirmative vote.
I suppose one could say that if the French could have prevailed over the locals in SEA the US would not have had any reason to get stuck, the following decade, in the quagmire.
I really doubt that Eisenhower was thinking about Bretton Woods when he made the deal.
"Sock it to me."
Hey Dick, how's about one finger:
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Looks more like the missing 18-minute tape spindle.
I appreciate a person with ' God Given Talents'.
Which is it?
Its Barack Millhouse Orwell.
You gotta put a 'W' in there somewhere. His admin had dudes sitting in cars outside my place in 2005....before Ashcroft went into the hospital. They were quite funny...had these strange little 'touch the nose' signals when I'd wave to them.
W loved to play spy. Remember how the Constitution was referred to as 'quaint?'
How about Dubya Dick Odummer?
Well, O'Barry has gone where no W has gone before...lol...but in the interests of "fairness"...whatever that means at any given point in time...how about:
W Hussien Nixon.
Orwellian enough? ;-)
deleted...i get your point now.
Barack Millhouse Orwell.
BAM!
+100
It is so sad to watch as the average American begins to realize that not only is the American plantation not exceptional among worldwide plantations, but that it might just be substandard.
<Holy Cognitive Dissonance Batman.>
Plantation? You mean chain gang : I could be free if I wanted to. Just made some bad choices is all...
The willingly (self) enslaved mind comforts itself with the illusion that it could have been free if only some terribly unfortunate and mostly unavoidable circumstances had been averted or at least side stepped.
<Besides.....you just can't fight city hall. So there.>
Modern man is a prisoner who thinks he is free because he refrains from touching the walls of his dungeon. -- Nicolas Gomez Davila
We are only as sick as our deepest darkest secrets. If I don't show you mine promise me you won't show me yours.
<What they won't talk about is killing them softly.>
OK, how many actually have started getting their secondary citizenship and passports?
Does one need a passport for Antarctica? Seems it's the only continent faring well lately. Heard it's warming up a wee bit too.
You heard wrong. Aside from that, you'd have to contend with the secret NAZI base there, or was it a space alien base?
Yep. I was set up then I was framed. That's why I'm here doin time.
All prisoners within the modern day global insane asylum are innocent and wrongly incarcerated. So we might as well be comfortable while doing our time.
<We are all professional victims of ourselves.>
Russia is having a field day making us, and now Europe, look like a bunch of steroid meatheads who's girlfriend just got stolen by the smart kid.
This is just crazy now.
Look like? IS LIKE
Has anyone considered this might be CHOREOGRAPHED and REHEARSED ACTING by ASSHOLES with THE WORLD AS A STAGE?
Are yall really THAT fuckin stupid?
REALLY?
You obviously have never worked at a multinational: It's all about politics and power, dog eat dog.
From the outside it looks like it's a well-oiled machine that runs according to plan, on the inside there is chaos, powerstruggles, politics.
Nothing is planned, all is response to response, the ones with the deepest pockets and biggest clout win.
Are you saying that Obama was serious when he told Medvedev that, once reelected, he could be more flexible?
Would your theory explain why Russia wimped out of Syria recently? Or was less than happy to accept Snowden permanently?
Are you sure this story came from the NYT? They are not exactly known for their willingness to embroil O in controversy, although Nixon is fair game.
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/02/26/us/in-tapes-nixon-muses-about-break-in...
The NYT has become much more critical of Obama of late. Some would say, with good reason.
the press got in bed with the maggots a long time ago. i hope they enjoy being spied on and bullied as a reward for playing ball.
True, I think of MSM as another government bureacracy...they all go to the same DC/NYC parties and its all fun & games with the power elite screwing over the proles until one of them gets overly ambitious and poisons one of "their own".
Then, all bets are off.
Plus the NYT's has to put away their pom-poms and resort to their usual geriatric form of faux fairness.
Hitlary-Holder 2016!...lol.
They are the court eunuchs--but they've become so far into the tank for the emperor for so long they haven't missed not having balls for years.
"What? We're supposed to have balls? Who could've known?" - Excerpt from NYT editorial explaining away their lack of backbone.
Putin is the smartest politician on the planet (not that I'm a fan, just a realist)...he is laughing hs ass off as he makes Obama look like old 'dickless' (of Ghostbuster fame). I'll bet Snowden wasn'teven on the Bolivian plane!!! HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH! What a bunch of dumbfucks run this country...
Now that you have cheered for Putin on a public forum, prepare for a visit from some spooks, who will want to ask you some questions about your beliefs, and patriotism.
Disclosure:
(Now that I have spoken about these same spooks on a public forum, I shall prepare for a visit from them, since they will want to know how I came to know about them, and whether or not I support America.)
Addendum:
If you are reading this, you may want to prepare for a visit from some spooks, who will want to know how long you've known me, if I seem like a rational person to you, and how you came to see this post.
Putin is a thug, I am reading The Man Without a Face, by Masha Gessen (2012), an unauthorized biography. In it is everything you ned to know about him. Putin is bad.
Of course he's bad...he was the head of the KGB. Just like papa shrub was head of the cia. Anyone who gets to such positions of power are more than likely socio/psychopaths.
Or they've been blackmailed, paid outrageous amounts of $$$ to STFU and behave, or live under extreme threats to themselves or more than likely their family members.
Plus, he looks silly without a shirt. He needs a bro, man.
I prefer 'manssiere.'
'Bro' is too ethnic.
Was there ever a good statesman in the world?
Marcus Aurelius
Ben Franklin?
Was there ever a good politician in the world.
Fixed it for ya.
"Now that you have cheered for Putin on a public forum, prepare for a visit from some spooks, who will want to ask you some questions about your beliefs, and patriotism."
Obama Requested 100,000 Russian Troops from Putin to aid FEMA on US soil. Things are getting very strange.
http://beforeitsnews.com/survival/2013/07/exposed-russian-troops-on-us-soil-to-aid-fema-2479550.html
No problem. Seriously.
Just think of them as 'Hessians.'
He has pretty eyes.
Maybe they would be less likely to abstain from violently suppressing dissent from the natives.
Is that true?
Yes, he has NO dick....
Tricky Dicky's Excellent Achievement List:
-Ended the war ! (after expanding it to 2 more countries)
-Opened up China ! (to underbid and undercut American workforce and start offshoring jobs)
-Slammed the gold wndow shut ! (so we could switch the printing presses to turbo mode)
-Wage and Price Freeze program ! (with a few crony exceptions paying bribes to milk fund)
-First Large American Corporate Bailout by the Federal Government!!! (Lockheed 1971...long before AIG!)
-Used IRS to harass White House Enemies List members! (wow, 1st to that one!, Dang!)
-John Dean: Where are the soft spots on this? Well, first of all, there’s the problem of the continued blackmail—
President Nixon: Right...
President Nixon: How much money do you need?
Dean: I would say these people are going to cost a million dollars over the next two years.
Short pause.
President Nixon: We could get that.
Dean: Mm-hmm...
President Nixon: What I meant is, you could get a million dollars. And you could get it in cash. I know where it could be gotten.
March 21, 1973
http://whitehousetapes.net/transcript/nixon/you-could-get-million-dollar...
Yup, but the really important question is whether Hunter Thompson has gotten to gnaw on trick Dick's skull yet, and if so, what it tastes like with a cigarette holder in your mouth?
http://www.explosm.net/comics/3178/
Americans are ok with the surveilance, the newspaper told us so..
How's this for ironic....
Hillary was an up and coming lawyer working for the Judiciary Committee tasked with the impeachement of Nixon.
Now she's the target of her own Benghazi-gate and still a boot-licker of Richard M. Obama.
What a fucking, perpetual, sewer it all is.
Yes to all of your comments.
How's this for double ironic.... Nixon was a henchman for McCarthy. It just gets exponential...
At least Nixon had documents ...
Impeach the traitor.
Which one?
ALL OF THEM!!! Starting with Obama and working the way down his cabel.
what I can't understand is what Snowden and this guardian dude are waiting for regarding what other stuff they have not said. This incident clearly proves most of the developed world does not want it to get out, and getting the whole thing out at this point may be the only thing that saves their asses. Although probably not. Either way, what benefit is it to them not to spill it all?
It's not up to Greenwald, as The Guardian obviously must clear any further disclosures.
Snowden could have chosen to release it promiscuously through rogue outlets on the 'net, but he has maintained that he prefers to take the "high road", so as not to risk harming any individuals, etc.
I can think of three reasons:
1) Dribbling it out ensures that the topic stays in the news for a much longer window. If you drop everything at once, it's catastrophic for two or three cycles, then the people who get distracted by shiny objects (ie, most Americans) will find something else to look at.
2) Leverage. If he hasn't released it all, he holds a few cards. They don't know what he has, and if he gets in a position where he needs to negotiate, they have to handle him very carefully.
3) Expose the lies. If he releases something and they try to explain it away, he can release additional materials that shows them for the bullshitters that they are.
How's that for a start?
excellent points thanks, assuming he has a way of getting the info out regardless of what kind of situation he ends up in.
Crimson Avenger,
Excellent analysis. Keep it coming.
or 4) he is controlled opposition.
I personally feel that Obama should win the Nobel Peace Prize again.
Killing U.S citizens with drones isn't really "killing" if the drone did it, the drone isn't even a person. He keeps us safe by monitoring us all at every second and saving the data. For Christ sakes he just spent 100 million dollars on a vacay in Africa which helped to support starving people with A.I.D.S
If he doesn't get nominated again than shit's racist or something.
I'm sure the NSA has a big BRONZE BUST, " of milhouse", in their "foui'". AKA> LIVING ROOM!
Got out of town on a boat, going to Southern islands
Sailing a reach before they caught up with me
I was making for the trades on the outside,
and the downhill run to a place where I can be free.
Off the wind on this heading lie the Phillipine Islands
I got eght thousand feet below the waterline, nicely making way.
In that hostess bar in Hong Kong I tried to call you.
After paying my bill I realized, It was recorded by the NSA.......
Think about how many times I stole data
Foreign governments are using me, the CIA is calling.
What my government did to me cannot be forgotten.
I have been around the world, looking for asylum
A country where freedom endures.
Is there such a place? Is there such a place?
When you see the Southern Cross for the first time,
you understand now why I came this way.
Cause the truths that I released were far from being small.
Like absolute proof that our President's really GAY!
So I'm sailing for freedom, my dreams are a dying.
And my PC is an anchor tied to me, tied with a silver chain.
I have my ship but F-16s are a flying.
The data is all I have left, along with proof that the President's GAY.
Think about how many times I stole data
Foreign governments are using me, the CIA is calling.
What my government did to me cannot be forgotten.
I have been around the world, looking for asylum
A country where freedom endures.
Is there such a place? Is there such a place?
So I stole secrets and I lied, but they trusted
Lifting all that data, it was the easiest thing to do.
Will I survive after being busted?
SpecOps will come along, make me forget about loving you
Then I will see the Boss.
Stephen Stills should be so proud.
Yes, well, to be sure all of the presidents since Nixon knew about - and probably used - this system against Americans. They are all pieces of shit.
Ever since William McKinley was selected, bought and paid for by none other than J.P. Morgan and Andrew Carnegie, ALL of our Presidents were selected, bought, paid and installed by TPTB do do their bidding. Elections are almost always predetermined ahead of time. Yes, they are ALL pieces of shit.
Reagan was not
Can we at least agree the afterglow of the Nobel Prize is about spent?
Hmm I seem to remember my draft number being 20 in 1973. My memories were quite a bit different than MSM dribble.. Considering LBJ. . Nixon was the last time the MSM press did something on reporting instead of propaganda.. MSM fails to report Ross Perot Pick up Woodward's book on Greenspan or Brady. yup 1973 Bury my heart at wounded Knee.. We the people....Oh is that clasless . yadee yadee yada...
At least he didn't make up phony reasons to start a war in SE Asia. Like his predecessor.
lol He's sure giving the NSA et al the run around.
This is an unmitegated disaster for the NSA. They have no credibility at all at this point and should be quietly shut down. They're about as anonomous as James Bond and as useful as tits on a bull. All their systems are completely compromised. Whether or not Snowy has squawked they have to assume he has and the Russians and the Chinese know everything he does. You just can't have one of your system admins holed up in a Russian airport and continue operating as though nothing has happened.
Checkmate arseholes!
Consider for just a moment that perhaps Snowden is controlled opposition, planted to pretend to expose shit we all knew back in 2005 [Tice, Bramford], as if it were new info, following an agenda to piss us off even more, kinda like what AJ does. Figure into the math hes now supported by Pro-Israel anti-911-truther Assange, and cmon man. Seriously. Dya think just for a minute this is another stick yet poking at the anthill of "CIVIL UNREST" the very pretext TPTB hope for to implement their FEMA camp agenda and whatnot? No? What if youre wrong?
Repeats are Passe' I'm angry Billy-7
Matter if factly, I'm "old skool" pisssed off~
Compared to Obama, Nixon deserves to be on Mt Rushmore.
Bloody shameful that the leader of the greatest political, economic and military power on earth should be presiding over a nation that is losing control because it has lost its founding fathers' vision.
Agreed. The current political class, supported by a distressingly sizable percentage of the low data, knuckle-dragging, mouth breathing, sycophantic, lickspittle citizensters, wishes to do away with the Constitution. Apparently these self-styled leaders fancy themselves the intellectual equals of such giants as Jefferson, Adams and Madison. I get a headache trying to craft the appropriate metaphor or simile depicting the vast gulf between the Founding Fathers and the likes of Obama and his cretin-du jour, Biden.
FUCK THE NSA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CroiMURk8SU
Let me tell you how i REALLY feel.
Nixon, Slick Barry, they are all bendover bitches for Edomite-controlled ISRAEL.
END OF STORY.
“In a way, the world-view of the Party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding they remained sane. They simply swallowed everything, and what they swallowed did them no harm, because it left no residue behind, just as a grain of corn will pass undigested through the body of a bird.” - George Orwell, 1984
Where will YOU be on this fourth of July?
http://atrueott.wordpress.com/2013/07/01/where-will-you-be-this-july-4-2...
Holy fucking corpse Batman... Nixon isn't dead yet?
Yes Boy Wonder, alert the media.
But Caped Crusader, I was at his funeral. I saw them bury his ass!
His ass, yes, Boy Wonder. But not his mind. It's alive and functioning inside the head of the our arch nemesis, Grand Kenyan.
Dicks are usually tricky, so in all cases, proper caution must be applied.
Considering what they are tolerating now I think the time is right for leftists to forgive Nixon and let it go.
"Richard Nixon: "Anything The NSA Did Is Totally Defensible"
Probably Nixon wasn't the first...
Happy 4th. Reich mutter frecken