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Snowden Withdraws Russia Asylum Request; Nine Countries Deny Application

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Things are turning from bad to worse for the real-life version of The Terminal's Edward Snowden, who a day after applying to 21 countries for political asylum has been flooded with rejection letters near and far, even as he was forced to cancel his application to his current host nation, Russia, after being told he would have to stop leaking secrets as a condition to stay. More from the FT: "The 30-year-old fugitive’s options narrowed further on Tuesday when China reacted coolly to the idea of him moving there, Poland rejected an application and other European nations said asylum requests had to be made in the country." 

Of the 21 applicants listed yesterday, so far 9 countries have rejected his asylum status application. These include:

  • Austria
  • Brazil
  • Ecuador
  • Finland
  • India
  • Ireland
  • Norway
  • Poland
  • Spain

And with Russia now out of the running too, 10 out of 21 on the original list are out.  The bulk of these countries rejected the application on a technicality, claiming that the applicant must be on their soil before he or she can be granted asylum status.

The countries still remaining on the eligible list include:

  • Bolivia
  • China
  • Cuba
  • France
  • Germany
  • Iceland
  • Italy
  • the Netherlands
  • Nicaragua
  • Switzerland
  • Venezuela

Of the above 11 Venezuela appears to be his best bet: “[Snowden] deserves the world’s protection. He has not asked us for it yet. When he does we will give our answer,” Venezuela's new president Máduro told Reuters during a visit to Moscow. “We think this young person has done something very important for humanity, has done a favour to humanity, has spoken great truths to deconstruct a world that . . . is controlled by an imperialist American elite.” Maduro added that his government had yet to receive a request, despite it being on the WikiLeaks list, but that he sympathised with the man wanted by Washington on spying charges.

What is shocking is how quickly Snowden's original destination, Ecuador, flipped a U-turn on his request. One wonders just what revealing pictures of Correa the NSA must have in its Utah facility.

On Monday, Ecuador which appeared to be Mr Snowden’s destination when he left Hong Kong 10 days ago, on Monday said it was no longer considering his request. “It was a mistake on our part” to have helped him travel to Russia,” President Rafael Correa said in an interview with the Guardian newspaper.

As for Russia:

Dmitry Peskov, President Vladimir Putin’s spokesman, told reporters on Tuesday that Mr Snowden “has abandoned this idea and his request for permission to stay in Russia”.

Mr Peskov said Russia had no plans to kick Mr Snowden out of Sheremetyevo airport where has been since June 23. “The extradition of Snowden to such a country as the United States, which applies the death penalty, is impossible,” he said.

However, he suggested that Moscow was not anxious for Mr Snowden to stay, echoing comments on Monday by Mr Putin. “Hypothetically, Snowden could stay in Russia but on one condition – he must abandon his intentions to engage in any form of anti-American activity that could be damaging for the United States,” Mr Peskov said.

Finally, as for China:

The Chinese government dodged questions about Mr Snowden’s application on Tuesday. “I have seen related reports, but I don’t have any information on the issue,” said Hua Chunying, foreign ministry spokeswoman.

 

Mo Shaoping, a lawyer for Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo, said he was not aware of asylum cases in China. “As far as I know, China doesn’t have laws in this area,” he said.

One wonders is Snowden's fate to return to the US, and face a lifetime in prison, if and when all of his purported future homelands give up on him?

* * *

Guardian has released an updated list of where the asylum applicant countries stand currently:

Austria

No. The interior minister, Johanna Mikl-Leitner, said Snowden would have to submit his request for asylum while on Austrian soil. But she added that he would not be deported if he arrived in Austria because "there is no international arrest warrant".

Bolivia

No response.

Brazil

No. A foreign ministry spokesman said Brazil would not grant asylum, adding that it would leave the request unanswered.

China

No response.

Cuba

No response.

Ecuador

No. The president, Rafael Correa, said he was not considering Snowden's asylum request. In an interview with the Guardian, Correa said Snowden would have to reach Ecuadorean territory before the country would consider any asylum request. The US has cancelled Snowden's passport, and Correa said his government would not give Snowden an authorised travel document to extract himself from Moscow airport. "The right of asylum request is one thing, but helping someone travel from one country to another – Ecuador has never done this."

Finland

No. The Finnish foreign ministry spokeswoman Tytti Pylkkö said Finnish law required Snowden to be in the country for him to apply.

France

No response. The president, François Hollande, has called for a common EU stance on the NSA snooping.

Germany

No response.

Iceland

No response.

India

No. Syed Akbaruddin, a spokesman for India's foreign ministry, said on Twitter: "Following careful examination we have concluded that we see no reason to accede to the Snowden request"

Italy

No response.

Ireland

No. A spokesman for the department of justice said that under Irish law an asylum application could only be accepted from a person who had landed in or was within the state.

The Netherlands

No response.

Nicaragua

No response.

Norway

No. The Norwegian deputy justice secretary, Paal Loenseth, told the state broadcaster NRK: "Applying for asylum should be done on Norwegian soil. According to normal procedures … his demand will be denied."

Poland

No. The foreign minister, Rados?aw Sikorski, wrote on his Twitter account: "I will not give a positive recommendation."

Russia

No. Snowden withdrew his request after Vladimir Putin's statement making clear that he would be welcome only if he stopped "his work aimed at bringing harm" to the United States.

Spain

No. The foreign minister, José García-Margallo, told reporters in the Spanish parliament: "For it [the application] to be legally admissible, it has to be made by a person who is in Spain."

Switzerland

No response.

Venezuela

Possible. On a visit to Moscow, the president, Nicolás Maduro, said he would consider an asylum request and said the whistleblower "deserves the world's protection".

"We think this young person has done something very important for humanity, has done a favour to humanity, has spoken great truths to deconstruct a world … that is controlled by an imperialist American elite," he said.

But asked whether he would take Snowden back to Venezuela with him, Maduro answered wryly: "What we're taking with us are multiple agreements that we're signing with Russia, including oil and gas."

 

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Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:16 | 3713483 Mister Ponzi
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Germany has already rejected the request, too.

 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:18 | 3713494 GetZeeGold
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Perhaps a mistake cause I think he knows where their gold is.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:26 | 3713541 Pladizow
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WHAT EVER THE OUTCOME - WE ALL SHARE SNOWDEN'S FATE!

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:34 | 3713602 bank guy in Brussels
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Strange how Edward Snowden seems not to appreciate being safe, protected by Vladimir Putin from being jailed and tortured in America

Instead he is acting like a spoiled American kid, shopping for a different amusement park for himself ... he seems to be playing games with both the media and with governments

The financially-troubled UK Guardian is devious too ... Guardian desperate for funds and are trying to stretch out the Snowden story to sell more Google ads on their website

If real, Snowden should dump and publish everything he was intending to publish, so that is behind him and accomplished ... and then thank God and Putin for his safe refuge ... and start a new life, speaking Russian, drinking good vodka and meeting Russian girls

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Guidelines for Edward Snowden and Anyone Escaping from the USA Seeking Asylum

(1) Recognise that it is basically difficult, and in general, no country wants any asylum seekers from anywhere, aside from
(a) High-profile political defections in the case of current conflict with an adversary
(b) Countries like the US that have had somewhat 'easy' asylum as a back-door way of allowing immigration, in order to increase the labour pool, depress worker wages, and increase the number of citizens who are politically docile

(2) There is nothing special about an oppressive country or a tinpot dictatorship. Maybe half the countries in the world or more, are oppressive to some groups, and there are at least a billion people who would like to escape to more freedom. Therefore, US oppressed people ... welcome to the club along with tens of millions of Africans etc. You are just like them now, not 'more special' than them because it is the US dictatorship oppressing you.

(3) Especially, almost no one desires asylum seekers from the US because of
(a) Hostility and revenge by the US government
(b) Now that the US is a tinpot dictatorship, the number of oppressed, wrongfully accused etc US citizens who would want asylum could be a million or more, and no one wants to be flooded with arriving upset Americans
(c) The traditional arrogance of Americans, seen when they travel, they tend to feel they are 'exceptional', a 'chosen people', 'special' ... they tend to have an attitude of arrogance toward other cultures, wanting things 'their way' rather than trying to fit in

(4) What is really crazy is to treat 'asylum' as if picking restaurants to visit. Countries do not want to go out of their way to 'invite' asylum candidates from 3rd countries who are 'shopping'. This goes double if you are from the USA.

(5) As an asylum seeker, you should take the attitude of some poor Asian or African ... you are lucky to be in a place where you are not imprisoned, tortured,  or facing a fake political trial. Be grateful, and try to adjust to where you are. Do not be arrogant with your hosts or imagine you can be 'shopping' for a place you like better. Thank God you are not in US custody.

(6) A lot of traditional asylum avenues are secretly or openly closed to USA victims. Canada is now a US poodle, it is not like in Pierre Trudeau's day accepting Vietnam War objectors. They give asylum seekers back to the US. Ditto the UK. And organisations like Amnesty International have a secret deal with the US, to not help USA victims, so they can get CIA and US-based funding. There is little 'help' out there

(7) Countries have in fact accepted US asylum seekers who have already arrived in certain places, but basically quietly and without fanfare, trying to avoid openly provoking the US bully ... and the media and Google Inc also co-operate in hiding the fact these events are occurring. Papers are given using various 'cover' mechanisms (employment etc) rather than open direct political asylum. A big media storm changes the game, however, and makes this more difficult.

(8) The basic strategy for an American asylum seeker is to arrive and already be in a place where you will, in practice, be difficult to dislodge by legal means, because the local legal system has enough integrity and independence, to not ship you back to the USA. In retrospect, for Edward Snowden, France or Italy might actually have been the best choice - but only if Snowden was there already.

(9) The whole thing with Julian Assange in Britain, fearing extradition to the US from Sweden, never made any sense at all. Not because Sweden would not do it, but because Britain itself has a special 'easy extradition' treaty with the USA, requiring little or no evidence. When Assange was roaming around the UK, in fancy rich people's houses, before being in the Ecuador embassy, the US could have asked the UK to grab Assange and ship him out, easier than with any other country in the world. Something seems fishy.

(10) You are not even safe when you think you are safe - Refugee from US, wanted on criminal charges for 'illegally' playing chess in a country targeted by US sanctions (!), the anti-Zionist Jew Bobby Fischer, finally got refuge in Iceland after being jailed for a time in Japan. Shortly afterwards, Fischer was mysteriously dead, perhaps a victim of assassination by CIA-Mossad medical disease spray. Iceland is a Nato country where Nato and CIA agents can roam freely. The CIA has admitted that Western Europe is the only sector of the planet they hesitate to kill people - but they still do it here. A country like Russia or China or Cuba, where CIA agents cannot roam freely or hire assassins, is probably best from a securiy viewpoint

(11) Recommendations for Mr Snowden, if you are genuine: Be grateful for Russian hospitality, do not insult the only people who may be keeping you alive and out of prison. Be cautious about Assange and Wikileaks, and the sometimes highly-corrupt UK Guardian. Stop playing teasing media games with the Guardian, to draw out your leaks so they can sell Google Ads - the Guardian is desperate for cash. Instead, dump and publish everything you were going to publish, right now, leaving aside only your 'insurance' part to help keep you alive, and thus you can satisfy Mr Putin's condition about not causing more international problems for him. You are in Russia and Putin says you can stay. Thank him, profusely. Take a few quiet weeks, start learning Russian, maybe drink some Green Label Russian vodka with some attractive female Russian FSB agents. Calm down in safety. After a few weeks, as the media storm rolls over and dissipates, you will have wiser perspective, and can start your new life. You have a new home, treat it with respect. Many Russians are great people. Living there, working there, and still being free 5 years from now when maybe the US empire collapses, will be a great triumph.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:41 | 3713631 DaveyJones
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funny, my "spoiled childhood" memories don't include my dad trying to ground me for life, threatening all my friends if they invite me over to their house, and announcing that if I ever come back, he won't let Mom speak on my behalf

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:46 | 3713648 Harlequin001
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'as he was forced to cancel his application to his current host nation, Russia, after being told he would have to stop leaking secrets as a condition to stay'

That's a tough one that is. Hmmmm. yeah...

No, send me back to a US prison thanks, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah... WTF, it doesn't take the brains of a rocket scientist to work that one out does it?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:03 | 3713711 The Juggernaut
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What country will have the balls to stand up against USA?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:11 | 3713742 derek_vineyard
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when you play with fire....you might get burned

i agree that snowden may have received some bad advice on how 'easy' it might be to get asylum---he appears to be playing his hand like he has a high pocket pair    

he may have underestimated his opponent........hope he gets humble and embraces his asylum

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:39 | 3713862 Jumbotron
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Well lookee here....

The Functional Retard President speaks about PRISM.....

"Former US president George W Bush has said the controversial PRISM surveillance was designed to protect America, and claimed whistleblower-turned-fugitive Edward Snowden has damaged the nation by revealing its existence.

During an interview with CNN, Dubya said that he had ordered the creation of PRISM to beef up national security, but made sure to tell spooks they must respect civil liberties.

Bush said: "I put that program in place to protect the country. One of the certainties was that civil liberties were guaranteed." "

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/02/dubya_i_introduced_prism_and_i_l...

 

The only certainty is that this waste of Oval Office space is an enemy of freedom and free people.  Thanks for being so horrible that the sheeple ran to Obama.  Thanks for giving Obama all the tools needed to advance fascism in this country.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:52 | 3713914 MillionDollarBogus_
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So-dumb can be the new Terminal Man;

Mehran Karimi Nasseri (????? ????? ????? pronounced [meh?r?n k?æri?mi n?se?ri]; born 1942), also known as Sir, Alfred Mehran, is an Iranian refugee who lived in the departure lounge of Terminal One in Charles de Gaulle Airport from 26 August 1988 until July 2006, when he was hospitalized for an unspecified ailment. His autobiography has been published as a book (The Terminal Man) and was the basis for the movie The Terminal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehran_Karimi_Nasseri

 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:11 | 3713979 Ying-Yang
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“I wanted all things to seem to make some sense,
So we could all be happy, yes, instead of tense.
And I made up lies, so
they all fit nice,
and I made this sad world
a paradise”
? Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without a Country
Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:49 | 3714137 Joe Sixpack
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He should release everything, then apply to the Vatican.

I stiill wonder if he did not slip out the back door,, and is not headed for Finland via land route. Once he is there, he can apply for asylum.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 17:54 | 3715426 Isotope
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He would look good in a long, black, Jesuit cassock. Dodging CIA assassin rounds in "bullet time."

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:57 | 3714373 IdiocracyIsAlre...
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The Shrub and Obomba are birds of a feather, both props for TPTB.  Shrub had built in appeal to 1/2 of Idiot America, Obamba to the other 1/2.  Hence the whole facade of "change" to get the rest of the idiots on board with the real program FASCISM.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:41 | 3713882 bunnyswanson
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Ahh.  Are you suggesting mankind as a whole, even the leadership, would prefer to live under fascism as opposed to a free and just system?  I don't think so.  MSM may give us the "illusion" the majority are Appalled at the lengths this young man has gone to to get the word out (youarenotonly being watched, but YOU ARE BEING CATEGORIZED) but i haven't met a person without a secret they want to keep.

It's over for the monied class.  They'll be hated into obscurity.  Walking down any street without armed guards is already impossible for The Bankers we throw stones at.  Living a lie is unsustainable.  The sugar coated speeches of self assurance do nothing when a man cannot find a job to support his family.   the promises of transparency are a joke.  The joke is on the Obama Supporters (cellphones + welfare recipients = Speed Dial to Drug Dealer).

It Is Over.  (Santana Samba Pa Ti "it is over")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFBIl-QrX5Q A song

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:16 | 3714001 Chupacabra-322
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I would certainly avoid the 54 countries which assisted the Criminal US Government in its Rendition program.

A staggering map of the 54 countries that reportedly participated in the CIA’s rendition program

The CIA’s extraordinary rendition program is over, but its scope is still shrouded in some mystery. A just-out report, released by the Open Society Foundation, sheds new light on its shocking scale. According to the report, 54 foreign governments somehow collaborated in the program. Some of those governments are brutal dictatorships, and a few are outright U.S. adversaries.


 

Their participation took several forms. Some, such as Poland and Lithuania, allowed the CIA to run secret prisons in their countries. Many Middle Eastern, Central Asian and European countries handed over detainees to the CIA, some of whom those countries captured on the agency’s behalf. Other states, particularly in the Middle East, interrogated detainees on the CIA’s behalf, such as Jordan, which accepted several Pakistanis. Several, such as Greece and Spain, allowed flights associated with the CIA program to use their airports.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/02/05/a-staggering-map-of-the-54-countries-that-reportedly-participated-in-the-cias-rendition-program/

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 19:51 | 3715856 MeelionDollerBogus
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My read of society in general is they'll happily see others put to Fascism just so they can get one more meal in peace, having no conception at all that they lose that meal by having Fascism for anyone. They just are too greedy and too dumb to know better. If only they could be dumb without being greedy enough to make it happen, or greedy without being dumb so they wouldn't be a herd of Stupids, rather, an isolated target to be removed by the rest of us.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 16:16 | 3715102 Loose Caboose
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His withdrawal of his request for asylum in Russia is not about a lack of humility.  I would argue it's more about personal integrity.  Yeah, I know, it's difficult to wrap our head around but some people still have that.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:59 | 3713937 zerozulu
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Suggestion to future snodens. Hide first.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:59 | 3714181 PT
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He could have hidden, and then he may have disappeared without anyone noticing.  He gambled that publicity would give him some kind of protection.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:01 | 3713945 e-recep
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unipolar world is a bitch.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:47 | 3713654 Stackers
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Only thing worse than a spoiled American is a self rightous European........

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:09 | 3713731 LFMayor
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True dat!

We never want to shine the light on how did those enlightened, cultured and very European Germans acted in Belgium about 65 years ago?  LOL.  What a cheese eating French wannabee little priss. 

Belgium, like France but without the good breads and staunch defense.

 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:42 | 3713885 gorillaonyourback
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his new name should be the BABBLING GUY FROM BRUSSELS.  he clearly spent time writing but a few words into his self agrandizing analytical  babble, it was clear i was reading a very low level analysis of the situation.    its sad people put so much effort into trying convince themselves they know it all.  lololololololol

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:48 | 3713656 MsCreant
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Thanks Davey. I did not junk him but his post sure sucked.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:36 | 3713750 DaveyJones
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Yeah, I was thinking a spoiled child would keep his 200k job in hawaii and whore out as an military industiral information complex dude.

Bank guy forgets that arrogance and anger come with the territory. This territory is not for the bowing humble third world minority he paints as the ideal conduit. Some people risk their lives for principle. Clearly not enough do.

The founders were pretty arrogant bastards thought the king. Who the hell are they to write the ideal public contract?  Naive smartasses. Trying to "save the world" ... "save your country" ... "save your constitution" ...beat the empire... is a pretty "arrogant" act. It takes "balls" to steal from another post. If a dying form of journalistic medium is milking it to survive a few more months so be it. It doesn't change the facts...or the bad guys 

the more the assylum lottery is spun in the news, the greater the opportunity to measure where everyone stands. Venezuela, with its oil and english empire adventures has a lot of memories to make up. Some one will give him assylum.

This latest chapter continues to remind me of the early lectures about the future of the internet and how it would not only become "the final frontier" but how it would create, for the first time, intellectual, economic, and POLITICAL power centers detached from geography. Wikileaks, Snowden, TwoFacedbook and the NSA are major characters in this play. THey use these toys to track everything you say, buy and visit.   

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:51 | 3713906 LostAtSea
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right on.  Hard to believe he's being called a spoiled brat for standing by his principles and rejecting Putin's demmand to stop.  He's risked everything for something he believes in.  How many of us would do that?

 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:55 | 3713675 NumberNone
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Welcome to World Peace.  All the world's government working in unison and harmony together.  Our individual futures look brighter than ever.  

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:37 | 3714084 Shell Game
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I fucking hate Whirled Peas...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:55 | 3714163 Tsukato
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I think I've hit upon the answer to all our troubles, and to be honest, it would be very unpopular, but its the only way to restore freedom and a level playing field in all respects: A Butlerian Jihad (for all you Dune fans). Perhaps the Internet, computers, smart phones, satellites, etc. are not the plebs tools for freedom, we had hoped they would be.What have we really gained? Robo trading, Ben shalom s digital printing press, Internet porn, lost freedoms, the inability to speak freely, lost social ability, the decline in ethics and morality throughout the world, drones and killer robots, gmo foods, etc. this breakthrough in technology has really not benefitted many, and just become another opiate for the masses, and a tool for oppression. Until this crack pipe is ripped from the world's mouth, we will never be free.
Free porn, farm gaming, text messaging, selling worthless bullshit. This is just about the extent of possible benefits for the average person. At what price, I ask?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 16:22 | 3715115 Loose Caboose
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You first.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:03 | 3713709 Cursive
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@bank guy in Brussels

This is great analysis and Snowden should have considered it.  Who is junking this?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:09 | 3713732 fonzannoon
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Cursive if we are going to take all this at face value then Putin said he could stay as long as he stopped putting out material that could damage the U.S. Snowden, in response to that, changed his mind about requesting asylum in Russia.

That does not seem spoiled brat like to me. That sounds like he is keeping with his principles....again...if we take all this at face value.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:35 | 3713843 fuu
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Meanwhile we avoid the obvious, why the fuck does Russia care about America getting hurt? When did that start happening? How does that change assumptions regarding the balance of world power? I certainly did not expect to hear Putin say that.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:39 | 3713870 fonzannoon
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I was wondering if that was Putin having a good laugh at the U.S. I am pretty sure that within 5 mins of Snowden getting there Putin knew every single detail that Snowden knew, whether it was revealed yet or not. Maybe it serves Putin better to have Snowden shut up now and Putin can use what info was not released as leverage?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:44 | 3713888 fuu
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I'm not up to quadruple reverse double speak this morning.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:56 | 3713907 McMolotov
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I just read this story and some of the (extremely disappointing) comments:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/07/01/snowden-in-...

It seems that calling out Obama has the Left in a tizzy, and they have developed a passionate newfound love for government surveillance.

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. There's been — to my eyes anyway — a massive swing in "internet public opinion" in the past few days. The media are either doing a wonderful job of converting the masses into Snowden haters, or there has been a flood of fake commenters calling the guy a traitor. It's hard to tell what's going on. I'm afraid it's a mixture of both, and it will successfully transform Snowden from Nathan Hale to Benedict Arnold in the eyes of the public.

I still believe...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:57 | 3713930 overmedicatedun...
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I don't know what snowden is, but I do know what the MSM and .gov alphbet agencies are..the enemy of MY enemy is my friend. dis info on snowden can't correct the obvious blood lust of the likes of McCain and the big .gov MSM.

Snowden is a hero to me, as long as this quilty verdict w/o trial is the main story on MSM.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:36 | 3714080 pods
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Well I look at what was released and brought to the front of our minds more than his rationale, or motives.

So I thank him and wish him good luck.

Now to brace myself for all of the "freedom" celebrations coming up shortly.

Fuck it, I will take the kids panning for gold.

pods

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 13:13 | 3714428 IdiocracyIsAlre...
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That is why the whole left/right dichotomy in the US is such bullshit.  The "Red Team" cheers for oppression as long as their man is in charge and the "Blue Team" does exactly the same.  Remember, around 25% of the population genuinely scores as "High Authoritarian Followers", the majority is in the mushy middle and often easily manipulated.  The bottom of the authoritarian personality spectrum only accounts for 5-10% of the population which is why genuine outrage is so hard to find.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:48 | 3713896 Nikao7
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Putin demanding him to stop leaking is merely for the benefit of saving face with America.  As if he is doing them a favor by at least making Snowden stop leaking.  Makes him look semi good in spite of offering Snowden a place to stay.  Just politics

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:12 | 3713959 DaveyJones
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Putin already knew he would not stop, so the deal was cut. Each guy looks good and Snowden delivers to Putin for his own ass.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:03 | 3713712 Uncle Remus
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Have you tried reading what's not written or hearing what's not said?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:17 | 3714262 Joe Sixpack
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Sneak out back door. Land route to Finland.

What possible countries are not on the list?

Liechtenstein (banking country not likely)

New Zealand

Australia

Luxembourg (Dutch and banking country, not likely)

South Africa

Monaco (it would be a gamble)

Andorra

Estonia

Serbia

Phillipines

Thailand

Belize (he would not survive long)

Guatemala (probably would not take him)

etc.

Maybe he is really not even in the Russian airport. This is quite possible, but would Putin lie for him? Did the rich guy from Iceland take him somewhere else?

 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:19 | 3713775 Wakanda
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Do you have a bad case of hero envy?

Face it Bank Guy, Ed Snowden is rocking our world.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:24 | 3713789 chindit13
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For one who writes rather long posts and pretends to speak with authority, you know surprisingly little about anything.  Just for starters, try this:  Anna Politkovskaya.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:03 | 3714578 Totentänzerlied
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You've opened your mouth and proved your idiocy.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 17:28 | 3715324 g'kar
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"Countries like the US that have had somewhat 'easy' asylum as a back-door way of allowing immigration, in order to increase the labour pool, depress worker wages, and increase the number of citizens who are politically docile"

...and to make sure we can get plenty "terrorists" so when the intelligence agencies need a fundraiser they have plenty of Chechyen patsy's to use.

(Courtesy of The Long Kiss Goodnight)

 

 

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 04:31 | 3716938 matrix2012
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@bank guy in Brussels

perhaps following will help to regain the comprehension... :-)

 

How to identify a limited hangout op?

 

The operations of secret intelligence agencies aiming at the manipulation of public opinion generally involve a combination of cynical deception with the pathetic gullibility of the targeted populations.

There is ample reason to believe that the case of Edward Joseph Snowden fits into this pattern. We are likely dealing here with a limited hangout operation, in which carefully selected and falsified documents and other materials are deliberately revealed by an insider who pretends to be a fugitive rebelling against the excesses of some oppressive or dangerous government agency. 

But the revelations turn out to have been prepared with a view to shaping the public consciousness in a way which is advantageous to the intelligence agency involved. At the same time, gullible young people can be duped into supporting a personality cult of the leaker, more commonly referred to as a “whistleblower.” A further variation on the theme can be the attempt of the sponsoring intelligence agency to introduce their chosen conduit, now posing as a defector, into the intelligence apparatus of a targeted foreign government. In this case, the leaker or whistleblower attains the status of a triple agent.

 

SEE ALSO  Gordon Duff at Veterans Today!

 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:58 | 3713687 QE4eva
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You're bumming me out, man, cuz he's f***ed.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:00 | 3713944 Jumbotron
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"WHAT EVER THE OUTCOME - WE ALL SHARE SNOWDEN'S FATE!"

Welcome to Prison Planet, Bitchezz.....where there is no asylum.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:20 | 3714019 Freddie
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Land of the free and Home of the EBT/SNAP.

Keep watching TV and Hollywood's crap.  Your viewership supports the police state.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:30 | 3713565 ziggy59
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The inmates are truly running this asylum....

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 17:58 | 3715436 HedgeHammer
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I call BULLSHIT on this entire Snowden fiasco. Really look at all of what is being fed to us about this guy. If and that's a big fucking if there was one iota of truth to this mans story, Russia China and all the other ANTI American Administrations out there would be falling all over each other to scoff this man up.

 

I CALL BULLSHIT on this entire incident. It is my opinion, and I have nothing to back it up other then what I have said above, that things are not going according to plan with trying to spark the 3rd world war and so they sanctioned this man and approved all the information he is leaking as to shock and piss off the rest of the world so much that a war is will be unavoidable. I challenge my fellow ZHr's to please prove me wrong for I love this Country and I do not wish to see the horror that is about to be unleashed world wide.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 18:16 | 3715509 HedgeHammer
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1 other point. look at this man's age and his schooling background and it doesn't add up. We work intelligence in a very compartmentalized operation where 1 department is given the first 4 pages of a document and that's all they get to work on never knowing anything more. So this 30 year old man was in possession of a higher security clearance than TS. Ah more BS! There are many more clearance levels above TS and many more clearance lvls above what is given to our POTUS. SO and it is all BS designed to keep your fucking blinders on and your heads below the fucking clouds.

 

Sorry for the profanity I just cannot stand being lied to my face. You all are smarter than this I know it or I wouldn't waste my time posting here.

TY /rant off.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 18:44 | 3715622 MeelionDollerBogus
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That's the old model.

The new model is vacuum analysis using databases & uncategorizing everything. The computers CAN NOT understand any other approach. The humans don't get first crack: they use the merged & distributed databases & queries across everything. To cut humans down to the old model, the computers would be barred from the mass snooping, which bars all the AI-training to handle pattern analysis.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 21:27 | 3716176 Bringin It
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If you are for example, the sysadmin for the US Embassy in Switzerland, you can see everything coming and going.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 18:39 | 3715608 MeelionDollerBogus
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I call bullshit on your call.

To be damaging as a useful asset, Snowden would have to leak nothing & go direct to China or Russia and offer continued services to USE his access - not do a one-time grab and run. That would be treason as opposed to leaking to all of the world.

Governments don't like leakers.

Citizens like leakers.

Don't you think some leakers from Russia would happily spill the beans in America? I think so. yet they aren't. know why? Because they get told to shut up by AMERICAN government agents. Spill the beans to agents but shut up in public OR ELSE.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:29 | 3713561 Cult_of_Reason
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Cuba and Venezuela, and maybe Die Schweiz.

All others don't have the balls.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:08 | 3713728 Ratscam
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Switzerland and balls?
Ha,ha maybe 700 years ago.
Today they bow down to the USSA.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:24 | 3713772 Cult_of_Reason
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The only reason I gave Swiss the benefit of the doubt was because of how they handled Marc Rich (but he was a billionaire -- money talks -- and Jewish).

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:51 | 3714143 Joe Sixpack
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Germany or Austria might, if he could get there.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:33 | 3713587 Bearwagon
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Bullshit, we promised to check.

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article117640432/Deutschland-prue...

I'm busy with BBQ, so use babelfish yourself. If "Welt" writes it - it's so! (Not that I'm fand of that.)

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:09 | 3713730 Lord Maximus
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Hilarious....Snowden had great information and now he has become a pawn for the Chinese, Russians, Greenwald, and most importantly, Assange.

 

Everyone is getting the info, poke their fingers in Obama's eyes (which I'm fine with), get rid of Snowden when he becomes a liability and then laugh at this doofus, who thought he would be hero to the world.

 

Snowden --> Poorly Poorly Played

 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:03 | 3713955 Midasking
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He should be brought back to the US with a ticker tape parade!  Time for people to stand up.  http://tinyurl.com/pp588mj

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 12:11 | 3714224 g'kar
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With all these illegal alien amnesty cities here like SF and Denver, why couldn't one of them offer amnesty to Snowden?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:17 | 3713491 tarsubil
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Fucking fine. Bring him home then. Put him in a courthouse so we know where to riot.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:22 | 3713518 SheepRevolution
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Yeah, just like we are rioting outside Bradley Manning's courthouse.....

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:36 | 3713606 tarsubil
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I've been surprised at the comments I see around the internet. I think things are changing. People are beginning to wake up.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:57 | 3713931 quasimodo
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True that, but until we(just as guilty here) do more than bloviate on the world wide web, that is all they are.......comments. Not a fucking thing changes until something happens besides the clickity clack of our keyboards.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 18:33 | 3715582 MeelionDollerBogus
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keep in mind all that clickety-clakkity is what Snowden & Manning did to know what to leak.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:31 | 3713522 GetZeeGold
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Bring him home then.

 

Not a bad plan.....no way in hell they'll find 12 jurors to agree. Plea bargain my ass....make them convict.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:06 | 3714590 Totentänzerlied
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"no way in hell they'll find 12 jurors to agree"

But they will easily find 12 CIA/NSA patsies looking for a promotion, or better yet, just use the indefinite detention without trial option.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:25 | 3713536 petolo
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Yes, a few million meeting him at the airport with guns and roses.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:27 | 3713547 Agent P
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Shananananana yeah yeah yeah...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:28 | 3713551 Pladizow
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Which of Axel's songs would the fat Americans chose to play upon his return?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:35 | 3713586 francis_sawyer
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Paradise City or Knockin' on Heaven's Door

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:54 | 3713674 Divided States ...
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Outta Get Me

(I'm FUCKIN INNOCENT!)

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:01 | 3713948 Jumbotron
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(I don't need your) Civil War

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:35 | 3713603 Disenchanted
Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:52 | 3713651 The Ponz
Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:40 | 3713876 fuu
Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:00 | 3713943 quasimodo
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Hard to say since ole Axel has turned into a fat ass himself, and a fucking recluse. I grew up listening to them, not so much anymore, although many of those songs have a good message such as "Civil War"

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:18 | 3713493 fonzannoon
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Kito needs a new avatar. What a shame.

If this kid is for real he must be a mess right now.

Here is the other message the global elite just sent. Look what happens when you choose that path. The rest of the world slams the door in your face. Now get back in line.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:23 | 3713525 disabledvet
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France is an interesting one.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:37 | 3713612 NidStyles
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Well it's a good thing I don't give a shit about the rest of the world, what the fuck have they ever done for me?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 18:28 | 3715569 MeelionDollerBogus
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That's why wikileaks & openleaks were set up to allow anonymous relaying. The only reason Manning is even on trial is because that "hacker" person alleged him to be the mark & he didn't stand up and say "wtf, you're a hacker. Sounds like you did it" and get him arrested on the spot. Dunno what else is going on there.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:18 | 3713495 monopoly
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And Blankfein and Dimon remain free. What a travesty of justice.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:25 | 3713537 disabledvet
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"dug in deeper than ticks on a hound." they better pray we're not double dipping here.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:28 | 3714051 tsx500
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don't forget about Corzine please . . . .

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:19 | 3713498 blabam
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Netherlands has rejected as well. 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:08 | 3713969 zerozulu
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man, I again think Taliban are the best bet.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 21:32 | 3716199 Bringin It
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No, that American Taliban kid has been in prison since day one.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:09 | 3713972 BattlegroundEur...
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The Dutch lost their ballz a long time ago.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:19 | 3713505 SheepDog-One
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The only thing I can say is he maybe should have planned it out a bit better.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:22 | 3713516 fonzannoon
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He left hawaii and a cute girlfriend and 6 figures and look where it got him.

Can we all stop rooting for Putin now at least?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:26 | 3713540 francis_sawyer
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She was a dog with a sporty lookin cameltoe...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:32 | 3713580 fonzannoon
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alright fine she was not winning any contests. That's not the point though.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:40 | 3713628 francis_sawyer
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The only thing 'interesting' about her [to me] is this...

~~~

The way it has played out thus far... It gives me more assurance that Snowden is legit... She got dropped like a hot potato by the press [who is usually looking for the next 'poontang of the moment', anything from NCAA coaches wives, to Alabama quarterbacks girlfriend... ANYTHING]...

The fact that she got dropped like a rock tells me they don't want any 'interest stories' whatsoever to take root...

Which means the obvious...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:46 | 3713639 fonzannoon
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I did not realize you had changed your mind. I thought you were calling serious bs.

that ain't me with the red arrow. I wish someone else would speak up.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:52 | 3713668 francis_sawyer
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I haven't changed my mind...

~~~

You got confused because I was calling bullshit on the 'stories' that were swirling around after Snowden arrived in Moscow, & all the bogus flight itineraries...

Frankly ~ I still haven't made up my mind totally on Snowden just yet... The 'disappearing girlfriend' kind of supports the 'legit' side of the argument...

Anyway ~ somebody explain to me why he didn't just stay in Hong Kong...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:55 | 3713677 fonzannoon
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I wish I could explain any of this to you. I have no idea. If I had to take a guess I would say Russia suckered him over there. Found out everything they wanted to know from him. Were ready to ship him to Correa, when the U.S stepped in and talked some sense into everyone.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:14 | 3713761 nonclaim
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The problem is that he wants to keep talking... no country will give him asylum (even a stay) *and* a soap box to step on. Most countries in that list will accept him when he is ready to shut up.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 21:59 | 3716293 Bringin It
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Putin said as much.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:20 | 3713781 francis_sawyer
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FWIW ~ Here's my running scorecard on it...

~~~

THIS IS A PSY-OP

- Awful convenient that he boltred to Moscow on a Saturday Night [just in time for the Sunday Morning 'Face the Nation', 'Meet the Press', circuit

- On the same argument... It's been a convenient "roll call" for Congress [to see who's outspoken about the whole affair]

- Now ~ Same "roll call' goes for possible asylum nations

- Juggling distractions [Benghazi, NSA, IRS]

SNOWDEN IS LEGIT

- Girlfriend angle dropped like a hot rock

- Possible "asylum" nations are receiving some arm twisting [speculation ~ no proof]

- MSM is on high alert to 'demonize'

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:35 | 3713829 i-dog
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Snowden is NOT legit. Snowden is a mirage.

Have there been any interviews with the "girlfriend"...by anyone? Has he leaked anything since the original "interview" with Greenwald? Why is he allegedly lugging around 4 laptops when he allegedly extracted all the "secret sauce" on a gigstick?! Has anyone photographed him anywhere in Hong Kong or Moscow? (Are there no cell phones in those very busy transit areas?). Way more questions than logical answers.

IMO, he won't get asylum from anyone ... exactly because he would then be expected to be interviewed by local media.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:04 | 3713934 francis_sawyer
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More elusive, in fact, than Satoshi Nakamoto...

~~~

Maybe Benny Gholson is playing at a club in downtown Moscow & some lucky journalist will get a shot of his Planters Peanut can...

The war in Krakozhia is still going on...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 13:19 | 3714314 Shell Game
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For me, the stongest argument for being legit is the content of the message.  The shit he is revealing is EXACTLY what TPTB do not want us to know:  that they are scared fuck by the public and losing the consent of the gonverned and who are arming themselves and attending academies like Gunsight, Thunder Ranch, Front Sight, etc. at unprecedented rates.  I.E. the People are waking the fuck up.  Also, note that Snowden's content is off-script from the blue-red divide and conquer strategy. In fact, it is the opposite:  it actually joins all Americans.

This shit is unraveling. Snowden is revealing the beast - just like Ron Paul did/does - and is getting maligned by the propaganda arm just like him.

Snowden is the real deal.  We are all Edward Snowden now.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 22:08 | 3716335 Bringin It
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I like your post.  Ironic handle given the topic.

re. Who's seen Snowden - RT said the airport hotel receptionist said Snowden entered the lobby, went to the receptionist, asked to look at the list of room prices, took a look and walked out.

The damage Snowden does is that he's put an end to the denial argument.  The worm's still turning.  It takes a little more time to sink in.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 14:41 | 3717893 Shell Game
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Thanks Bringin'It.  Let's just hope this Stateless hero (in my book) can survive for a while longer at least, to give that worm - and any new worms - time to turn...  

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:42 | 3714709 Totentänzerlied
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"- Girlfriend angle dropped like a hot rock"

How do you figure this lends credibility? To my mind, the rationale would be more media attention increases the likelihood that she'll be checked into and interviewed, and might slip up. If he is legit, why isn't she talking? You know all the mediawhores would kill for the exclusive interview.

"- Possible "asylum" nations are receiving some arm twisting"

It's unneeded, they're strategic partners and have been for decades or longer. They lines up behind the USA hoping to curry favor and avoid trouble, why would they stick their necks out now and humiliate/upset the boss? They don't stand to gain very much, aside from a bit of social credit with the (non-compromised) watchdog groups and NGOs (if there are any). The problem here is that all of these nations either have similar programs or participate in the ones the US runs, the last thing they need is a whistleblower whom they've granted asylum eventually deciding to expose them. His choice of countries makes no sense with the exceptions of Venezuela, India, Russia, Cuba and China, but these, while not on Team America, are nonetheless hardcore totalitarian shitholes whose track records for domestic surveillance and police state policies, unsophisticated though they may perhaps be, would make the NSA blush.

- MSM is on high alert to 'demonize'

Of course, they have to manage perceptions. Wag the dog. Magnify the "threat" and turn public opinion against him. Then the 'solution' will be provided from on high with overwhelming popular support. This play is old.

-----------------------------------

My opinion has shifted on this whole thing. I no longer have any idea whose side he's on. But I do know that so far, he's been played like a violin, by every side. If he is legitimate, I'd feel for him, but I can't comprehend how or why he'd think that any other nation would welcome someone who's clearly a threat to their own secret nefarious bullshit as he was to the country he blew the whistle on... if he was to actually accept an asylum offer from any of the nations he applied to, he'd become a hypocrite, just like his apparent handler, Julian "I heart Israel" Assange.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 22:17 | 3716385 Bringin It
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They all hold power.  Snowden's message is about sharing power.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:40 | 3713626 NidStyles
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Pelosi is a dog, his girlfriend is better than most.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:46 | 3713643 francis_sawyer
Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:12 | 3713748 LFMayor
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!

Time levels all mountains...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 18:19 | 3715525 MeelionDollerBogus
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ahhh

make me ho ho

winning(tm)

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:25 | 3713794 NidStyles
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Now all the lube is in her face. Unfortunately not in the right places...

 

To me the only thing Pelosi of that era had on his GF was the black hair. I have different taste in women though. I prefer black hair and blue eyes. 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:59 | 3713939 francis_sawyer
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GF is "Miss NO RACK"...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:15 | 3714000 NidStyles
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Beats most of the hippos that are sloshing around the rest of the country.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 22:26 | 3716425 Bringin It
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The American media message has especially destroyed the women.

Bernay's smoking campaign kicking off the charge.

 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:26 | 3713542 disabledvet
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yes. we can stop rooting for Putin.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:20 | 3713506 johny2
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amazingly, this may have shown even more insight into the world of today than all the other information he revealed.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:25 | 3713535 fonzannoon
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It certainly does. Anyone out there thinking the BRIC's were going to send a message just got a different message entirely. That dude Correa folded like a cheap suit.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:28 | 3713554 disabledvet
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hello Ecuador here I come!

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:30 | 3713563 francis_sawyer
Tue, 07/02/2013 - 22:28 | 3716438 Bringin It
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fonzannoona - I like what you're saying.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:32 | 3713581 Cursive
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@johny2

Yes, the world (lack of) response is the biggest tell in this story.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 11:13 | 3713991 zerozulu
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I feel like sonwden saying," my all fellow American brothers and sisters, you are all on your own".

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 22:31 | 3716450 Bringin It
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That's seems to be what's shaping up.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:53 | 3713672 rwe2late
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Couple this with today's ZH article:

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-07-01/%E2%80%98total-surveilla...

Most nations prohibit their spy agency to spy on their own citizens. The work-around? Have "foreign" nations spy on your citizens whilst your spy agency spies on them. Then have everyone "share" the info.

All supposedly "legal". Allegedly no "laws" broken.

Question: does the US Constitution only prohibit the government from doing bad stuff at home? Many, falsely I think, contend that is so.

Is the US government free to torture, kill, imprison, fraud etc. with impunity overseas? Preferably, it is done with the cover of an agreement with some bribed/coerced corrupt foreign leader who is willing to sell out his/her fellow citizens. Otherwise, it is just done with the justification of providing "security" regardless of any international law or agreement.

However, it is clear that even foreign treaties or agreements do NOT trump the US Constitution. They only trump the constitutions of the US states.

So, why then should we accept the notion that the US government is NOT bound by the Constitution overseas?

Why then must we accept as a "legal" given the repercussions and ramifications of our government committing the most foul of acts abroad, behavior which we supposedly would not tolerate at home?

 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:58 | 3713689 Jim in MN
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We are the ones who didn't even allow an intelligence service until WWII (OSS) because spying was a nasty thing that the ugly Europeans did.

Doesn't anybody remember anything?

Just a couple of generations back...none of this was even remotely socially acceptable in the USA.

Happy Fucked Up Fourth ZHers.

I want my Republic back and I am NOT backing down.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:38 | 3713850 optimator
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"Gentlemen don't read each others mail".  In 1948 we combined all our intel into one outfit, the CIA. 

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 14:47 | 3714740 Totentänzerlied
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They have their ladies read it, and then relay back the juicy tidbits.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:04 | 3713708 Rusticus
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No surprise really, the threat of a drone strike by remote control serves as a universal mute button for critics.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:20 | 3713507 jm
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Egypt, baby.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:29 | 3713560 disabledvet
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oh yeah. forgot about them.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:31 | 3713572 francis_sawyer
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Egypt is the place to be...

~~~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD1KqbDdmuE

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:21 | 3713509 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Ecuador ... hmmm.

Wow, Joe Biden really pulls some weight.

Maybe he told Correa that if Snowden shows up, all he has to do is fire a double barreled shotgun out the window, and the See Eye Eh will pick Mr. S. up ... and also proceed to do a Salvador Allende on Correa's a-s.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:23 | 3713510 Seasmoke
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What happened to Iceland or Cuba ?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:29 | 3713557 francis_sawyer
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They're still on the 'eligible' list...

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:55 | 3713924 Aegelis
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Iceland has our Naval Air Station Keflavik, Cuba has Guantanamo.  Sound like good choices?  Name the country, we've got a base for that.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:21 | 3713512 stopcpdotcom
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North Korea. It is the only sane choice.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:21 | 3713513 buzzsaw99
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no-one is going to anger ming the merciless for that guy

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 10:13 | 3713757 LFMayor
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LOL!  nice.

Bring me the Bore Worms.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:24 | 3713527 Agent P
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I guess everyone really is afraid of the big bad wolf.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:32 | 3713577 disabledvet
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"how about the cute little puppy?" these folks have no sense of humor and no concept of the absurd. this really is absolutely hilarious. "where's Snowden?!!!!"

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:24 | 3713532 aka Gil
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And I thought I had problems.

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:24 | 3713533 Manipuflation
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Well what the hell?  Where is North Korea when you need them?

Tue, 07/02/2013 - 09:26 | 3713538 Winston Smith 2009
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"so far 9 countries have rejected his asylum status application"

They didn't reject his request per se, they just said that he has to apply in-country.

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