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Bolivia's Air Force One Finally Granted European Overflight: Currently Above Spain

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It appears that all it took for Spain to finally grant Bolivian president Evo Morales a green light to fly in its airspace was a thorough Austrian check of its cargo hold, a la Millennium Falcon, to make sure it does not hide Barack Obama's public enemy number 1. Sure enough, the plane has left Vienna and at last check was about to fly over Madrid in a few short minutes.


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Wed, 07/03/2013 - 07:48 | 3717129 GetZeeGold
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Word is Bolivia isn't planning to go back there anytime soon.....those guys are a bunch of a$$holes.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 07:51 | 3717134 wintermute
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Obama has given permission to Spain to let the Bolivian president overfly Spanish airspace. Of course Obama doesn't need Pakistan's permission to fly armed drones in their airspace.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:02 | 3717157 ebworthen
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A Fuehrer doesn't need to ask permission.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:04 | 3717166 BoNeSxxx
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Putin is no dummy... This was a test run.

Now that they know the US will subvert ANY and ALL law to get at Snowden if he flees using diplomatic avenues, they will sneak him out on a commercial jet wearing a fake nose and glasses disguise...

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:09 | 3717178 ParkAveFlasher
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Beware the Bermuda Triangle!

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:16 | 3717197 dryam
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You guys just don't get it. This is simple protocol when it comes to run of the mill 29 year old hackers.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:19 | 3717205 Beam Me Up Scotty
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"a green light to fly in its airspace was a thorough Austrian check of its cargo hold, a la Millennium Falcon"

This really is just like Star Wars isn't it.  Emperor Palpatine will make Mein Fuhrer look like small potatoes when all is said and done.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:25 | 3717224 Yes We Can. But...
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Further thx to EJS for continuing to expose the order of things, the rot, the stench...

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:18 | 3717399 Surly Bear
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Judging by the level of effort to grab Snowden, he must know some really serious shit. What I don't understand is the lack to discussion about inalienable rights, ours or the governments. 

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 10:59 | 3717873 Joe Sixpack
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Someone in a high position somewhere in the US and/or allies governments is really afraid of something they suspect Snowden has.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 11:33 | 3718051 Isotope
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This event reminds me of a saying attributed to the neocon shitheel  Michael Ledeen: "Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business." I'm reminded of it because it portrays the reckless arrogance that we see on display here. The US has no friends in the world at this point. Only enemies and lackeys, with all the rest composed of whoever they can threaten or blackmail. I look forward to the day when someone will step up and slap the shit out of the US. Sad, because I'm a US citizen since birth. I am ashamed.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:25 | 3717226 francis_sawyer
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He's gonna need to do the Kessel Run in under 12 parsecs...

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:02 | 3717345 SamAdams
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"We're not gonna scramble fighter jets to catch a 29 year old, uh, uh... hacker" - Obomba to Public

"BUT, we will encourage Austria to threaten to scramble fighter jets to catch a 29 year old, uh, uh... hacker" - Obomba to CIA

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 11:07 | 3717933 ToNYC
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not gonna be seen scrambling =

"not gonna scramble"



Wed, 07/03/2013 - 11:49 | 3718152 Totentänzerlied
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"We're going to 'scramble' a drone fleet to do it, instead."


Wed, 07/03/2013 - 16:50 | 3719499 TruthHunter
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They also jumped at the chance to humiliate Morales. Neither Bolivia or Ecuador could keep Snowden safe , so its very unlikely that he would even be offered. .

Its too easy to blackmail officials who have family in USA.(see saga of Greg Caton) he should've grabbed the  1st available flight to Cuba, except he probably would've died from an accidental pen jab by one of those "journalists"

The USA has blown a lot of political capital on this.  Doubt its worth it. At this point, if they get Snowden, it insures a maximum info release.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:06 | 3717351 Yes_Questions
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upvote and a +1.



Wed, 07/03/2013 - 10:33 | 3717758 SpiceMustFlow
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fucking Francis, thanks for my first laugh of the morning


aside from this Patrice O'Neal documentary

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 10:39 | 3717775 tip e. canoe
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"Talk about the stock market, assholes."

fucking classic, thanks for sharing.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:26 | 3717228 dryam
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It's not like the U.S. is trying to execute Snowden ASAP to send a message to the other million+ people with similar information.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:00 | 3717340 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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They will when all other methods fail. Greenwald is probably also on the retaliation list if they can't get him legally into prison over something else. Obama and his backers are thugs plain and simple not nuanced sociopaths that knows how to play the game. This is how a common street thug acts when you punch them in the face.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 11:14 | 3717961 DeadFred
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All you tin foil hat types getting your knickers in a bundle, this is just a simple governmental screwup. They just forgot that the no fly zone was supposed to go over SYRIA

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 10:15 | 3717673 asteroids
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No, no, no, no, no. They should have checked the wheel wells. He's hiding in there right now with a pressure suit and oxygen! Quick Obozo, shoot him down!

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:21 | 3717209 MagicHandPuppet
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Fuck you, Spanish "Fly" Government!

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 10:21 | 3717708 Kirk2NCC1701
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The Austrians searched the plane, thus violating diplomatic law.

Are we still Austrians? Or are we now Classic Austrians, rather than Neocon Austrians that have been annexed to the American Reich?

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 10:53 | 3717843 glenlloyd
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I don't think you need any 'con' with your neo. The correct form would be neo-austrian.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 11:27 | 3718014 Ghordius
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is it so? Searching the plane violates diplomatic law? I agree with you that this is so if you force a plane to land - but has the plane been forced to land or could have returned to Moscow after being barred to cross several countries? sounds like a technicality to many, but laws often are this way

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 11:57 | 3718192 Totentänzerlied
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You are a sniveling European bootlicking knave. That is all.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 15:02 | 3719135 Ghordius
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mmmh... who's boots? Not yours, from your ad hom

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 10:51 | 3717831 glenlloyd
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You're oversimplifying the situation.

He's not just any 29 yo hacker....not a 'hacker' at all...don't know why you've elected to use that title.

Exposing the wrong doings of an imperialist regime is more important to me as a citizen then the sanctity of state secrets. They did in fact violate the constitution.......and apparently they don't car that they did.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 11:35 | 3718062 Ghordius
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he also joined a spy outfit, making him a spy. he probably signed several papers to get permission to see state secrets that pointed out that if he spills them this makes him a traitor, and most probably he delivered an oath of service, so he is also an oathbreaker

oathbreaker, rebel, traitor... three charges that were leveled at the British Subject known as General George Washington, who would of course been hanged if catched by the British authorities

though the dear General would possibly have protested here, and said: spies are a different matter, they aren't gentlemen

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 12:12 | 3718277 dryam
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My comment was sarcasm. Those are Obama's words as he was trying to downplay Snowden leak that we are all being spied on.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 15:12 | 3719192 MeelionDollerBogus
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indeed. Invisible /sarc has many shades :D

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:45 | 3717293 Sandmann
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Best to black him up and fly him out on Air Force One during the Sochi Games

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:58 | 3717335 dunce
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What goes around, comes around. One day AF1 may be refused flyover rights with this precedent cited.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 11:03 | 3717901 ToNYC
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The official that got the underwear bummer on board without luggage and passport needs another job, but that depends on the side you are on.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:07 | 3717173 Rusticus
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This story is outrageous on so many fronts.

Aside from the obvious overreach by the United States, the idea that a 3rd world country like Bolivia has a presidential plane is an indictment of the political class globally.  

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:13 | 3717186 kridkrid
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For sure. That dude should be flying Southwest. Do they go to Moscow?

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:53 | 3717307 Rusticus
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Business class on Air Europa with one stop in Madrid. ( $3K)

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:15 | 3717192 ootofthehoos
Wed, 07/03/2013 - 16:55 | 3719518 TruthHunter
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Aside from the obvious overreach by the United States, the idea that a 3rd world country like Bolivia has a presidential plane is an indictment of the political class globally. 


Get real, 6 months out of the year, you,ve got to use a plane to get around Bolivia. Those who need to do..

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:19 | 3717204 AngryGerman
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Aaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnd - it' gone!!

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:03 | 3717346 conork
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His name is Edward Snowden

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 14:34 | 3719019 Stonepark
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Cue the AN124 spooling for for preflight.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 07:49 | 3717133 ZippyBananaPants
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I was watching CNN this morning.  I think I saw George Zimmerman in court today following this story on his iPad during his trial.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:28 | 3717241 Yes We Can. But...
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I thought I saw him googling weight loss products

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:25 | 3717424 Strut
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I'm pretty sure he was looking for a funnier lawyer.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 11:31 | 3718038 StychoKiller
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Talk about funny, yer avatar still makes me chuckle!

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 07:49 | 3717135 old naughty
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Seat for Snowdon confirmed not occupied.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 07:50 | 3717136 Mae Kadoodie
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Did they check the plane's toilets?

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 07:53 | 3717143 tmosley
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More importantly, did they do a body cavity search of the Bolivian President?

That sucker could be hiding ANYWHERE!

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 07:53 | 3717145 wintermute
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Was the stewardess wearing glasses?

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:17 | 3717198 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Wait a minute!!!! She had a BEARD??!!??  You didn't find that odd???

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 11:32 | 3718052 StychoKiller
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"Spock, with a beard?"

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 19:21 | 3719927 ToNYC
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The Shawshank Redemption tunnel in the air.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 07:52 | 3717139 Eally Ucked
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I wonder what is explanation for searching presidential plane by Austrian authorities, do they check all presidential planes like that or it was at request of Bolivian government?

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:04 | 3717169 andrewp111
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It sets an example. Snowy had better not be on any plane that crosses international waters or US influenced or controlled territory. As I said before, Snowy's only hope of Asylum is in Iran, and he can fly there without crossing any US controlled territory.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:16 | 3717194 kridkrid
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Sets an example for whom? As Snowden has said, the example is for anyone who follows after him.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:56 | 3717323 rwe2late
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 Sets an example


US Air Force One grounded and searched on rumor fugitive Cheney was on board.


Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:10 | 3717364 malikai
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My thoughts exactly. I would just love to see that happen.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:08 | 3717357 dunce
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More importantly he can fly from there with no advance warning. The Russians could help him move, they play chess very well, your next move obama.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 10:37 | 3717768 el Gallinazo
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The problem with that move is that Iran has been so thoroughly demonized by the Zionazi controlled MSM that it would reduce Snowden's "Patriotism image" among many anti-NWO, but not so bright Americans.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 15:05 | 3719156 MeelionDollerBogus
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It's a damn good thing Russia has no submarines and that everyone's seen daily pictures confirming the actual location of Snowden.

Oh wait...

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 07:53 | 3717141 BigInJapan
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"This isn't the coke you're looking for."

"This isn't the coke we're looking for."

"We can go now."

"You can go now."


Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:01 | 3717164 goldenbuddha454
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You're obviously referring to a plane that would hypothetically land outside the USA as the NSA enjoys the luxury of general warrants in which case (everything in view) is fair game-just ask a FISA judge.  In most other countries outside of this one, warrants are specific and detail what is to be searched for and if they find something else it is not admissable or retrievable.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 07:53 | 3717146 Its Only Rock N Roll
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And all they found were crates of bowler hats

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 07:53 | 3717147 NoDebt
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That's where they off-loaded the gold.

Sorry, couldn't help but throw gold into this story somehow.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 10:55 | 3717854 Kirk2NCC1701
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Actually, on a serious but relevant Gold note...

This means that the Austrian private gold storage Das Safe is NOT 'safe' from Obummer.

Simon Black, you'd better stop mentioning them as a safe storage place. In which case you will probably now promote Singapore almost exclusively.

And in which case we simply need, say, Brazil One try to refuel in Singapore, from its way back from Russia, and see if the Singaporeans search their plane. That is the scenario I'd like to see tested, to smoke out the true extent of the NWO.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 07:54 | 3717149 azzhatter
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Obama Clown Car continues to amaze me. The wheels are close to falling off now

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:35 | 3717260 Yes We Can. But...
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And, five years in, they were still training wheels...

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 07:54 | 3717153 Badabing
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These are not the droids your looking for.

This is a good way to tell if a government is a puppet for the good old USA.

What countries give the Bolivian AF1 trouble go on the list!

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:35 | 3717262 malikai
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I'll make it easy for you. Go to wikipedia, search for NATO list.

That should clarify it all nicely.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 07:54 | 3717154 SilverIsKing
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They should have put a dummy that looked like Snowden in a seat and another one that looked like Obama in the seat next to it and had the cameras rolling.

Instant classic.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:02 | 3717165 smacker
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In Obama's case they wouldn't need a fake dummy.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:58 | 3717336 Agstacker
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Just a curious George doll...

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 12:02 | 3718216 Totentänzerlied
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George Bush Jr. with some crudely applied blackface.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 14:49 | 3719080 MeelionDollerBogus
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and Waldo as the pilot!

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 07:55 | 3717155 gigeze787
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Not just Obama's public enemy...

The NSA domestic spying began before Obama, and had complete buy-in from the crypto-fascist bipartisan leadership of Congress' intelligence and military committees, to include: Senators Graham, McCain, Feinstein, and Levin, as well as their House of Representatives counterparts.

There is only ONE party in Wash, DC, and blaming Obama alone (however well-deserved) does not begin to address the breakdown of American democracy since 9/11.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 07:59 | 3717161 lakecity55
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There is no party in DC at all.

Just Chalkie and those who obey or flatter.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:13 | 3717382 dunce
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When Clinton is there, then there is a party in his pants.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:20 | 3717206 kridkrid
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Good post. Every thread needs a few of these as a reminder. Of course, 9/11 was merely our "Pearl Harbor Moment" that allowed us to put the pedal to the metal. Our one party fascist oligarchical controlled illusion has existed for a long time.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:43 | 3717286 Vooter
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That's why anyone who still votes in this country is PART OF THE PROBLEM.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:24 | 3717418 trader1
Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:33 | 3717458 22winmag
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Voting is unconscionable.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:56 | 3717591 rwe2late
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 Two anarchists were arguing about whether to vote.

One said voting was an endorsement of whoever won having power. It was like voting for which Mafia boss, Gambino or Bonnano, would be "better".

The other contended that it was logically only an endorsement of having a democratic process, not the crimes of whoever gained power. And anyhow, he wished to defend himself by whatever means are available, no matter how unlikely success. And so long as he thought one candidate might be less oppressive than the other, he would vote.

The first replied, well obviously in the USA, that rules out voting for any candidates of either two major parties. But I expect minor party candidates would also be oppressive.

And the other anarchist stated that he was afraid not voting at all amounts to no defense, and is but a tacit acceptance of whatever crimes they commit.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 10:26 | 3717737 Kirk2NCC1701
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One solution out of this dilemma, is to keep voting in different politicians, rsthet than re-electing them.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 11:46 | 3718130 Vooter
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What are the new, "different" politicians going to do?

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 10:55 | 3717855 kridkrid
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I don't think your second anarchist is an anarchist.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 11:19 | 3717978 rwe2late
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 Hmm, the "purist".

No participation in any government, federal, state, or local.

No payment of any taxes, income or sales or whatever.

No driver's license or passport.

No registration of property ownership, no payment of property taxes.

No use or payment for city utilities, public garbage collection or water.

No social security number for a job.

No gun registration.

Does nothing directly or indirectly to support government in any way.

If only someone who does all of that and more is a "real' anarchist, then what shall we call those claim to be Christians, or humanitarians, or ...

perhaps such absolutist distinction is pointless, as we are all hypocrites, just some more so than others.


Wed, 07/03/2013 - 11:45 | 3718126 Vooter
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"perhaps such absolutist distinction is pointless"

It sure is. You can call me anything you want, but I'm still not going to vote for these pigs. I couldn't care less if that makes me an anarchist, or a hypocrite, or lazy, or anything else--I DON'T CARE. And guess what? I'll continue to pay taxes--because I have no desire to go to jail--so these assholes had better make sure that they continue to pick up my garbage, fix my roads, keep the water clean, and keep hiring 'roid monkeys to keep the street criminals at bay. As far as I know, Democrats, Republicans, Greens, Communists and Socialists are all equally good at picking up garbage and fixing potholes, so GET TO FUCKING WORK.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 14:39 | 3719040 MeelionDollerBogus
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"And the other anarchist stated that he was afraid not voting at all amounts to no defense, and is but a tacit acceptance of whatever crimes they commit."

Therein lies the nonsense.

Logically speaking if you do not consent (vote) to a crime you are not party to it unless as a victim.

Logically if you do participate, support (vote) for a crime, no matter what the crime or who commits it, you are now complicit.

Opposite of the common nonsense that if you don't vote you have no right to complain.

May as well start telling women they have to vote for who will rape them because if they refuse to choose one they have no right to complain when the rape happens.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 20:39 | 3720174 rwe2late
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 Agree with your hypothetical example if choice is so limited as to be no real choice at all,

but what if a third choice says he will not rape and one has reason to believe he may not.

The argument that all governments are equally oppressive is not convincing. Rather, it appears some are significantly more so than others.

However, it is not always easy to determine if there is any significant difference, nor to predict future behavior.

Resistance can take many forms, nor are alternatives always apparent, nor guaranteed of success.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 22:00 | 3720351 MeelionDollerBogus
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while your point is valid, a possible counter-point is that what is a reasonable government at time of election can become unreasonable before the next election comes - and stay that way.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 14:35 | 3719023 MeelionDollerBogus
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And since JFK.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 07:56 | 3717156 Tipo anónimo
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"We're against spying by our allies" and "Snowden must be apprehended" are just another example of the cognitive dissonance in today's world. Funny, Snow Den would be a great name for the man cave where bankers do coke...


Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:41 | 3717281 Vooter
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Bytor and the Snow Den...

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:02 | 3717158 lakecity55
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Blackcon 1, this is Chalkie. Has the jet cleared the coast?

Sho has, Chalkie!

Cap dat bitch!

Sho nuff, bossman.

I must report to Mr Thompson

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 07:57 | 3717159 andrewp111
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I wonder if they used an competent scanning crew to check the plane.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 07:58 | 3717160 sodazed
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May the farce be with you...


Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:08 | 3717162 buzzsaw99
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Spain be Owebama's bitch bitchez. Perhaps the funniest part is that SOMEONE had to put out some disinformation over the fascist comm. system in order for this to happen.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:09 | 3717177 DeliciousSteak
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What are they supposed to do? Refusal to aid the US means that suddenly all their dirty laundry starts leaking to the press. This is exactly why spying on allies is integral to US national security.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:13 | 3717187 buzzsaw99
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National security. lulz

I do not think it means what you think it means. [/Inigo Montoya]

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:21 | 3717208 kridkrid
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Prepare to die.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:26 | 3717234 buzzsaw99
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You wiggled your finger. Doesn't that make you happy? [/Fezzik]

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 18:48 | 3719804 supermaxedout
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Hollande must have a shitload of dirty laundry this gnome.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:13 | 3717188 carlnpa
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Anybody remember "Star Wars" movies?

The Empire is "US".

Assange should be very worried about his status now also.

The true face of this system is being shown.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:52 | 3717225 HardAssets
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And tomorrow is Independence Day. The American founders must be rolling in their graves. What happened to the vision they held for America ?  Who betrayed it ?


(It began a long time ago with Hamilton and those who wanted an all powerful central government/insider business 'partnership' as the basis for cronyism and empire. They sought to replicate the British imperial model. - - Those such as Jefferson and Madison opposed this. But the Hamilton gang won out in the end.  Time for America to get back on the right path.  Check out 'Hamilton's Curse: How Jefferson's Arch Enemy Betrayed the American Revolution and What It Means for America Today ' by Thomas DiLorenzo)

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:25 | 3717427 tip e. canoe
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i/m/h/o Madison was more a middle-of-the-road guy, the Great Compromiser.   pushed the Con down the states' throats w/o the Bill of Rights and then led the charge to add them on post-facto as amendments.

we see how well that worked now, don't we?

but agreed, Hamilton was a slimy, twisted bastard.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 10:23 | 3717718 AlamoJack
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Read ALL of DiLorenzo's books.  You will know more about American history than you learned (sic) in college.



Wed, 07/03/2013 - 10:42 | 3717782 pazmaker
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Patrick Henry who at first didn't support the constitution because of his opposition to federalism, because he supported states rights and indvidual rights and freedoms...what was it he said?   

"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, Give me Liberty or give me Death!"

All the while owning over 70 slaves........


what's that you say?

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 10:51 | 3717838 tip e. canoe
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All the while owning over 70 slaves........

the hypocrisy of such is the Constitution's Achilles Heel, as the attempts to whitewash it out of the document are exactly the mechanisms that have allowed Henry's worst fears to have come true.

see 14th Amendment for details.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 14:20 | 3718958 MeelionDollerBogus
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Assange is expendable.

There's an entire Wikileaks organization and a split-off called OpenLeaks. Caging 1 man does not end this. If anything it encourages more to join.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:15 | 3717191 holgerdanske
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This is the day I have finally realized, that there will be civil war, it is inevitable.
If we are to protect our freedom we will have to risk our lives.
The power elite are out of control. Truth and virtue has become illegal, and most of the countries are sucking up to the criminal USA, in spite of being treated like serfs.

This is not the will of the people. This is the tyranny of the few. Only a few things can stop this madness. Civil disobedience, resistance and civil war.

I fear only the last option will have an impact.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:23 | 3717215 kridkrid
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If there is civil war, it will pit one group of have nots vs. another group of have nots. I think we are being prepared for it. I plan to stay out of it.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:38 | 3717271 smacker
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Welcome aboard The Truth Station.

Some of us could see that our political rulers went out of control a long time ago. Many have become little more than rogue governments, run by criminals who make up the law as they go along. Sadly, what lies ahead is most certainly necessary if humanity is to prevent itself entering a new Dark Ages, but it will not be pretty. When it will begin is always difficult to pinpoint. What we do know is that criminals running the governments have been preparing for it for a few years. They will not surrender quietly.

Stock up on rope and piano wire.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:18 | 3717200 Whoa Dammit
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At best our government is acting like a childish school yard bully. At worst, and sadly most likely, it has compromised leaders of other nations through the use of blackmail. 

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:43 | 3717285 Reader1
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-"I say, Kerry, Old Boy, those pesky South Americans are getting unruly again.  Send us please a few gunboats down to show the flag, won't you?  We can't have those savages trying to get uppity on us.  Ciao! Barry Out."

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 14:17 | 3718946 MeelionDollerBogus
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And make sure they're SWIFT! :D

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:23 | 3717216 hugovanderbubble
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Wed, 07/03/2013 - 11:16 | 3717959 smacker
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After leaving Portuguese landspace, FAB1 was heading on a route which did not look like he was gonna land at Las Palmas. Funchal was more possible.

But checking one minute ago, he's disappeared off the radar altogether. This is not uncommon...they usually re-appear later. Else we should panic.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:28 | 3717239 youngman
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I wonder what they found in the cargo hold...i am sure it was full of goodies....good food for parts..things you can´t get at home...these diplomats know how to smuggle...

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:40 | 3717274 Vooter
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That's fine--all this bullshit does is give us more rope. Before too long, there'll be enough to throw over that first sturdy branch there....

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:43 | 3717289 Sandmann
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One World Government under The Evil Empire. So much for the EU and the Posturing Prancers. It only takes a call from Joe Biden to bring them into line. Hardly worth voting in Europe, candidates have to be White House Approved before they are allowed to contest elections. Britain is simply an offshore island for US money-laundering and Germany little more than a puppet-state. At least the truth is out and The Imperial President can instruct his regional governors how they are to pay homage

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 11:39 | 3718095 Ghordius
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Sandmann, there is quite a load of evidence that your statements don't apply, in the eurozone

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:53 | 3717310 YHC-FTSE
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There's a lot going on in the markets right now (Understatement of the year), so I'll try to finish off my thoughts on Edward and the absolutely disgusting cowardly farce that's taking place on an unprecedented scale in diplomatic circles. 

The broadsheets in Britain, with the exception of a couple (eg Guardian), are brushing off the blanket surveillance of the EU (And the rest of the world) as business as usual. Considering the role of GCHQ and a long history of intelligence sharing programs (Echelon, ANZUS), it's not surprising. But I reckon all of them are missing the salient points on blanket surveillance and they are:

1. Spying on government officials of allied nations has two purposes: Blackmail and competitive advantage in negotiations. Think about the compromises and backroom deals during an election year in any country, then you can imagine how such records can be used against the eventual winner in power to control their policies towards the US.

2. Spying on corporations and their officials have multiple purposes: Industrial espionage, market sector predictors, as well as blackmail. This is a huge revenue earner for intelligence companies, and research universities in biotech, pharma, engineering, and computing are often the targets for stealing intellectual property. My bet is that Monsanto is a big intel player.

3. Spying on "Ordinary" citizens. Ostensibly to catch "terrorists", as if white supremacists and jihadists, those who are not being bankrolled by the CIA, would openly talk about their intentions over facebook and twitter! This is perhaps the most long term and pernicious program of all: Kids experiencing their first hormonal bursts of sexual energy, having friends of dubious reputation, blurting out unwise or stupid opinions, etc. - The usual growing pains of youth. Well, that will be stored and used against them if any of them get powerful enough, rich enough, popular enough, or clever enough any time in the future. In a nutshell, it is worse than slavery because even slaves could gripe against their masters in private, but they cannot. 


The newspapers and pundits are full of comments like, "Necessary evil", "Duh, what do you expect?", "Nothing to worry about if you're innocent", and "Business as usual". They don't have a fucking clue about the enormous consequences of blanket surveillance on all of our futures. I watched Obama shrug this off with, "Oh well, it's normal. The others are trying to find out what I had for breakfast before a meeting". How the fuck would he like it if the NSA is recording his own two daughters' first masturbatory fantasies right now so those files can be used against them later? Fucking bastard. 

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:01 | 3717341 The Count
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You used one word that sums it all up: Blackmail.

Supposedly the CIA and NSA have dirtly laundry of every person in Congress, so if need be they will have a very discreet little meeting where it is made clear that you play along or face the end of your career, or worse. And if they don't already have something on you, you will be set up, just like the Swiss banker that wound up giving banking secrets to the guys who got him drunk and then into an acident.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:30 | 3717444 tip e. canoe
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My bet is that Monsanto is a big intel player.

i'd double down on that bet.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 11:42 | 3718116 Ghordius
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"The broadsheets in Britain, with the exception of a couple (eg Guardian), are brushing off the blanket surveillance of the EU" - did you mean to write NSA or did you really mean to write EU? Because the Guardian is writing about the EU being spied by the NSA

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 12:27 | 3718362 YHC-FTSE
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Didn't realise the sentence would be ambiguous,  but I meant it exactly in the way you correctly interpreted. Must be the way we use our prepositions differently. "-brushing off the blanket surveillance of the EU by the NSA". :) 

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:54 | 3717318 1000yrdstare
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Chewbacca is hiding in the white house!!!!

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 08:56 | 3717329 The Count
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Totally bonkers. Well, guess who propably had the 'intel' that Snowden was on the Bolivian plane? The out of control secret services of our country, that's who. This has taken on a dimension that totally baffles the mind. Where does it stop? If you were having doubts about Pres. O. well now you have proof, a remote controlled bot, nothing more. How could the freakin Norwegians ever give this guy a Nobel prize? Their Aquavit must have been laced with something much much stronger.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:20 | 3717406 rwe2late
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The Nobel Peace Prize Committee has been pushing the strategic agenda of its chairman, Thorbjoern Jagland, since 2009.
Thorbjoern Jagland has served as Norway’s prime minister.
In Norway, Jagland, a big supporter of NATO, is called “our own George Bush Jr.”

The Nobel award was created to be given “to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.”

Obviously, Obama never met those conditions.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 10:11 | 3717659 holgerdanske
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The Norwegians are rather naive, having a population that largely behaves and thinks more or less the same.
I think Breivik might have woken them of their slumber.
You simply can't govern effectively and in peace if your rule overrides the concern of the citizens. Arrogance and lack of understanding lead to problems in Norway, and everyone were surprised.
That exact same thing is taking place internationally at the moment. The result will be uprisings and trouble, not only in the middle east, but also in southern Europe, the middle Europe and the US.
It is just a question of time, unless they start behaving like benevolent humans.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 10:16 | 3717677 el Gallinazo
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"It is just a question of time, unless they start behaving like benevolent humans."


That will be the day after Hannibal Lecter goes vegetarian.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 12:41 | 3718444 MeelionDollerBogus
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Well, he does have a good recommendation on fava beans.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 11:39 | 3718092 steve2241
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I would add this: A government can either debase the currency/run the printing press OR tax the people.  It can't do BOTH.  When it does, it loses all legitimacy.  The U.S. government has lost all legitimacy.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:01 | 3717342 Debugas
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what about diplomatic immunity ?

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 10:15 | 3717676 Colonel Klink
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The only one that has immunity are those Obunghole and his lackey Dick Holder deem worthy.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:12 | 3717373 j0nx
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This is a pretty big tip to everyone out there that the USA does indeed control most of the world. In case they weren't sure already.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 10:13 | 3717666 el Gallinazo
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Yeah, looks like Nessie has raised her ugly head above the water.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:30 | 3717442 tvdog
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OK, so the banking syndicate pretty much rules the world, with the intention of pauperizing everyone else and reducing them all to abject slavery, preparatory to wholesale extermination. What is to be done?

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:31 | 3717446 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Spot the information control going on here.

"The Bolivian plane, which was taking Morales home from an energy conference in Moscow, was stranded at Vienna airport for several hours after Portugal and France refused to allow it to fly through their airspace."


Wonder why they conveniently decided to not mention Spain and Italy........

and of course to try to defuse the fact Austria committed an act of war on Bolivia in violation of international law at the request of the US.

"Austria said however that Morales had agreed to a voluntary inspection of the plane. Deputy Chancellor Michael Spindelegger confirmed Snowden had not been on the plane."

Do they bother confirm Morales statement by you know asking him directly, of course not.

Then you get this wonderful little suggestive and subjective statement slipped in the middle since people tend not to read but scan.

"Russian President Vladimir Putin is unwilling to send Snowden to the United States, with whom Russia has no extradition treaty. But he is also reluctant to damage ties over a man for whom Putin, a former KGB spy, has little sympathy."

And how were they able to infer that, did they sit down and have some Georgi vodka with Putin and he blurted that out.

You can see how they are trying to turn this into a brown skin people are bad and support terrorists script the way they structure the whole article.


People should spend some time reading all the MSM news articles on this. It should be telling just how biased they really are.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:52 | 3717570 lakecity55
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No disrespect, but we already know MSM stuff is all fictitious.

It insults ones' intelligence.

At least with a source like RT, you can clearly pick out the actual news along with the sometimes pro-Russian edge.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 10:01 | 3717596 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Yes but remember there are a lot of silent readers who do not. Someone has to point it out and not assume everyone gets it. Because obviously they don't or else this shit wouldn't go on unchecked or at all and I wouldn't need to make captain obvious posts.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 10:11 | 3717657 el Gallinazo
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MSM rating numbers are falling off a cliff faster than real employment.  That is what that horrible excuse for a human being, Hilary, meant when she said, "We are losing the information war."  Expect a lunge for the throat of free expression on the Internet soon.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:35 | 3717465 22winmag
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As Commander in Chief, Obama has little to fear from whistleblowers, but everything to fear from one of his subordinates getting sick of his shit and lobbing a grenade into his tent.

Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:46 | 3717535 lakecity55
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There is no defense, say, against two or three Egyptians with suicide vests running up to him and blowing up.

In the event they fail, Chalky and his Syrian Rebels could have a feast with the freshly cooked meat.


Wed, 07/03/2013 - 09:45 | 3717529 ndb
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Putin is very cagey.

He knew Snowden wouldn't be on board.

But... tip off the NSA (or whomever) that he IS on board and that accomplishes several things:

1. Watch Obama's reaction. European Countries will roll over for him. Now we know for sure.

2. Humiliate Obama worldwide. Easy and low threat way to do it.

3. Show Snowden he had better play ball with the Russians or he is dead.

PS: Anyone remember the Fred Thompson scene in one of those Clancy novels about the Russians have a plan for everything?



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