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Where The Action In Cairo Is Right Now
While images projected on every media channel show lasers, fireworks, and celebrations, there are tensions rising still. As Al Jazeera reports, police are arresting crews of local TV stations affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood, and as BBC Arabic notes, there are stores being ransacked in Qena and gun shots and clashes in Alexandria. As Stratfor notes, pro-government and opposition demonstrators have gathered in several places across Cairo (as indicated in the image below) and while no military force has been used to disperse the crowds yet - the military seems content to pre-position forces in a standby role and maintain order through a show of potential force - the skirmishes that are being reported hint at the potential for future instability.
Pro-government and opposition demonstrators have gathered in several places across Cairo. Given the highly charged atmosphere surrounding the ongoing political turmoil in the country, the Egyptian military is concerned that these demonstrations could quickly escalate out of control. In anticipation of the Egyptian army's recent announcement that President Mohammed Morsi has been removed from power, the military reportedly deployed troops and armored vehicles toward these concentrations in an effort to control potential unrest. As of now, no military force has been used to disperse any crowds anywhere in the city. The military seems content to pre-position forces in a standby role and maintain order through a show of potential force.
Military Coup Bodes Ill for Future Stability
Egyptian military chief Gen. Abdel Fattah al-Sisi announced July 3 that the country's president, Mohammed Morsi, had been removed from office in the wake of popular unrest. In a short media statement, al-Sisi, who was flanked by the three armed services chiefs, opposition leaders, the sheikh of al-Azhar Mosque and the pope of the Coptic Church, announced that Adly Mansour, chief justice of the Constitutional Court, has replaced Morsi as interim president. He also announced that the constitution has been suspended. Mansour's appointment is notable in that one of the key demands of the Tamarod protest movement was that he become president. The provisional government will be holding fresh parliamentary and presidential elections.
The arrangement was made without the involvement of Morsi, whose whereabouts remain unknown, or of anyone representing the Muslim Brotherhood's political arm, the Freedom and Justice Party. The Muslim Brotherhood, which has effectively been thrown out of power, must now figure out how to respond. The group probably will not respond violently, but it will engage in civil unrest that will lead to violence. Though the Brotherhood is unlikely to abandon the path of democratic politics, Morsi's ouster will lead elements from more ultraconservative Salafist groups to abandon mainstream politics in favor of armed conflict.
The overthrow of Egypt's moderate Islamist government undermines the international efforts to bring radical Islamists into the political mainstream in the wider Arab and Muslim world. Ultimately, within the context of Egypt, Morsi's ouster sets a precedent where future presidents can expect to be removed from office by the military in the event of pressure from the masses. In a way, this was set in motion by the ouster of former President Hosni Mubarak, and it does not bode well for the future stability of Egypt.
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Well I'm sure it's all bullish for stawks somehow.
I wish with all my heart the very best for the Egyptian people, they are going to need it. Egypt faces very difficult times, lots of people, not much income or resources.
Well, they have 75 tonnes of gold, so I'm sure that will be "liberated" in exchange for a loan.
Well, I hope not, Egypt's gold belongs to them! The corruption would just stink that much worse if we (or whoever) steal(s) Egypt's gold.
At least in won't be Morsi who steals it, the Egyptian Army learned that lesson from Tunisia.
Arresting the TV talking heads? Say it ain't so.
Not the celebrities and personalities.
Oh, the humanity!
Wolf Blitzer cowers in the corner, shitting his britches;)
We can dream. In the USA - they would have to arrest everyone on TV except maybe those guys on Pawn Stars and Steve Santelli.
Perhaps the military will just head on over to Syria and clean up that Brotherhood pit, too.
Hmmm...ok so 'this is bad', because it sets the precedence for presidents to be removed if they fuck over the people? And this is called 'instability'?
Seems like a great thing to me, and something 'the land of the free' is in dire need of.
I recently watched a documentary on Netflix called "The Empire in Africa". It was the most graphic/disturbing movie I've ever seen. I wonder if on some level the bigger goal isn't civil war everywhere. It'll be interesting to see where things go from here. And for what it's worth... democracy is such a stupid fucking ideal.
Democracy is not a bad ideal at all. I have seen two alternatives that were much worse:
1) Communism in Poland and East Germany in 1984
2) Stifling (and disastrous economic policies) not-quite democracy in Peru (1980s and 1990s)
Both above were much worse than democracy, at least until recently, as seen in the USA.
Do you pledge allegiance to our flag and the Democracy for which it stands? Or to the Republic?
Every time I say the Pledge at some event, I substitute the word 'Constitution' for the bloody word 'flag'. Democracy is merely the stepping stone toward Oligarchy and Dictatorship. Government MUST be shackled by Natural Law.
Yes, Allegiance to the Constitution and Republic for which it stands is spot on!
DCRB wrote (emphasis now mine):
"Democracy is not a bad ideal at all."
I agree that a tyranny of the 50.00001% (below commenter) is bad as well, I mean "democracy" as it is commonly understood. Liberty. Equality of opportunity and before the law. Like the Constitution says.
That's how they destroyed freedom. The created this "ideal" and made you think it's what we always had... the terms are different. It's a bill of goods.
Here is an excellent explanation about democracy v. republic for those who are interested.
http://www.flixxy.com/political-systems.htm
DaddyO
Govt just needs a little help from the NSA. (sarc)
The real {shadow} government is the NSA. Fucking control freaks...
NSA is controlled/run by CLAPPER.... you know that thing in your toilet that controls the water flow... CLAPPER is another Obama puppet DUNCE.... JARRETT is calling the shots... FBI/IRS/NSA/DIA/CIA/DHS/ all totally run/controlled by the white hosue...... we live in a police state.... unless Congress wakes up and does its job...FAST AND FURIOUS, BENGHAZI, CAMP BASTION.... RULE BY EXEVUTIVE ORDER....
The Republic of course. Democracy is 51% voting the 49% out. Most here know that...right?
The idea that something else is "worse" certainly doesn't confirm that something as an ideal... only that it might be less shitty. Liberty or Freedom are great ideals. Democracy, not so much. Because 50.000000000001% of some group of mouth breathers believe that something should be some way, boom... it's that way. The fact that our imperialistic leaders preach it like it's some kind of panacea should tell us what we need to know. No... we've been sold a bill of goods on the narrative of democracy.
I agree with your statement but note that our elected officials don't give a shit about what 50% or even 70% think about a given subject. They vote the way they are told to vote, period. Recent examples are immigration bill, Obamacare, TARP, etc.
Democracy: absolutely.
But what we have now in the 'west' in general has been userped, hollowed out and undermined.
It is democracy in name only. Putting it right is massively problematic because there are so many with vested interests in continuing to milk the current system. From bankers and corporations to government employees not to mention the army of state dependant welfare recipients.
Nothing will change until the money or its purchasing power dissapears.
When that happens we will all be Egyptians. The outcome is far from predictable, but we can at least predict one thing--the same fuckers who have plundered and broken the current system will be very quick to offer a solution.
"Seems like a great thing to me, and something 'the land of the free' is in dire need of."
Barry's out golfing, he ain't worried. And Bernanke has the ecomoney all figured out.
anytime the non-thinkers in the military get involved the outcome is guranteed to be a clusterfuck. people join the military because they are not bright enough to make it in the private world- much like anyone who works for the govt. Kissinger is a world class zionist asshole but his quote about soldiers is dead-on
The bus stopped with a fucking jerk and otto leaked off.
Hopefully the people are organized and have been planning for this. Long term success depends on what their new constituion is going to look like. Hopefully it won't be put togehter by some Army Generals and will limit centralized power.
Not everyone can be a Princeton or Harvard/MIT trained economist like Krugman or Ben Shalom. (sarc)
Kissinger - Tell that PFC to shut up and soldier.
The fact there are so few jobs makes the military more "attractive". There is a reason recruiters show up at high schools.
Actually, many soldiers are intelligent, and not just officers. A small sampling through history:
Admittedly, I'm not seeing any "greats" at the moment, just politicians. That said, soldiers tend to deal in things others leave well enough alone. There is a lot of ignorance out there.
It's the irresponsibility and cowardice at this point that get to me. Don't like a country? Send in the troops. Don't like a neighbor? Call the DHS. Few seem to know what the consequences of their actions are, and fewer seem to care.
Not many people realize that at this point, rather than making us safer, the NDAA has placed us all in far greater danger than all the guns and knives and gangs ever did.
Hot news babe rape footage?
I'm waiting.
Pretty sure I speak for all of us...
Fuckin' troll.
My apologies.
That was cynical and sarcastic.
I'm basically saying that things are about to break down into lawlessness again.
If you think it was bad under Morsi, just wait til the no holds barred cage match that is soon to follow.
anyone that works for the MSM deserves it.
It's called Civil War, the same hell that awaits us if we continue to foment the Divide strategy, just like the control freaks want us to...
I agree. Said the same thing above and in a few other threads over the past few days. I believe civil war is inevitable...it's a question of what "have not" factions end up squaring off against each other. The oligarchs will watch from a safe distance. Something different will emerge on the other side.
Well, along that line of thought I see that the police are going house to house in the Zimmerman trial trying to talk the residents down off the ledge in case of a "not guilty" verdict. If anyone gets hurt or dies in the ensuing riot then NBC and the rest of the fucking assholes that took the Zimmerman tapes and re-worded the conversation to look like he was racially profiling Trayvon Martin can take the blame. Fucking MSM blows.
Perhaps the cops are going house to house to take away the guns (New Orleans and Alberta, Canada are recent unconstitutional examples).
The real question is whether the Tanks are for the Red or Blue faction.
Blue Team, YAY!
I mean....GO Red Team!
Hate week in mid-season form in Egypt. Red has always been at war with Blue. Army is just positioned to have "Independence" Day fireworks display towards end of week.
Someone fan the fire faster please and bring it over with a westerly wind. At least we are still free in the chaos.
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As the order 'they' want to bring in will make the chaos seem like a picnic...
"Morsi's ouster will lead elements from more ultraconservative Salafist groups to abandon mainstream politics in favor of armed conflict."
Maybe they can implement a 2nd Amendment in their new Constitution and then twist the meaning to take away all their guns
That strategy seems to be working well in America
Can we start our demonstartions after Big Brother tonight?
It's an eviction episode and I wanna see who gets sent home.
Too bad the sheepistanis here in the States will never hear about this triumph of Amerikkkan diplomacy as the Treeboon Martin/Zimmy trail is being broadcast 24/7 in a desparate attempt by the MSM to distract from the day-in/day-out epic failures of this administration.
On the plus side at least one proud people have thrown off the yoke of oppression of that buttfucking communist Obama...whoops sorry buttfucking Islamist Morsi.
Yes, the State Run Media has been all over the Zimmerman trial while downplaying the hugely important story of Egypt.
Morsi really was Obama's bitch, maybe that's why they have been so quiet about the apparent good news from Cairo.
The Army needs to seal the deal with live broadcast of Morsi having new steel jacketed air conditoning system installed on his Kmart blazer.
Extrajudicial killing is a hallmark of advanced democracies.
I'm sitting in a bar after work killing some time before I have to be someplace... CNN is on the TV in front of me and while I am primarily reading zero hedge, I look up to se coverage of the days events in Egypt. As I watch it for about 20 seconds, a sheep with a remote control in his hand asks me if I was watching it. I said " no" as I looked back at my phone to continue to read ZH and he turns on ESPN. Some inane football highlights are on.
Bread & circuses alive and well here in a suburb of Chicago. America is so fucked. These poor bastard sheep just don't know it. Yet.....
Great report from the frontlines / belly of the beast. Yep re the people, I used to have hope. A little, not that much, now I have next to none.
Keep in mind that less than 20% of the population won Revolution 1.0.
If there is a Revolution 2.0, it will be about the same!
just sayin...
DaddyO
That is true. + 1
I don't watch TV or Hollywood but ESPN is so liberal. They love killers like Hernandez and Ray Lewis but attack Tim Tebow at every turn. ESPN sports writers on the web sound like Krugman and they went to the same shul.
F-I-R-E in C-A-I-R-O, burn like a fire in Cairo...
Stratego: It's not just a game..
http://youtu.be/S1axvcysd-8
So, which is it, that the MBz are "moderate" or that they are "radical".
What fucking planet does this guy live on?
- Ned
+1000
New_Meat ;)
A virtual + 1 to New_Meat from me as well, 'cause the green arrow ain't workin'...
any religion that believes its own mantra is superior to any other is bigoted, backward, intolerant and closed minded.
That's a pretty inclusive epithet, so to speak.
Key words international efforts. Stratfor made a big freudian slip here. Take in the context of the bigger picture. It explains the MIC backing of Obama and one of the underlying Bush/Cheney directives.
Let me introduce you to another one of their pet projects. Fethullah Gulen one of key power players behind the Islamist regime in Turkey. And no he doesn't reside in Turkey but in Pennsylvania.
http://familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.5921/pub_detail.asp#ixz...
Those lines sound like a Obama State Dept press release. International efforts to be more moderate. Yeah like their Syrian "rebel" pals connected to the Muslim Brotherhood who are Al-CIA-da who are killing Christians. Just like the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt killing Coptic Christians.
Read between the lines and it is saying those evil and stupid Egyptian people undid the election Obam and Soros rigged with the help of the Saudis and Qatar.
Fred: I've been familiar with (although never met) John Forbes Kerry* for a long time. And, well, yes they do!
- Ned
*knew some swiftiez a long time before the blessed year of 2000
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^--- Put a dot before leading with a quotation New_Meat, so I can green ya...
Have a virtual + 1 on me!
dcrb: the dot-thingie works! Ol' Sacrelige (sp?) gotta' get goin'
and I do like your comments. Many of my family (but not all, leads to interesting conversations) are small business folk.
My wishes on you for a happy Independence Day. T'were the time when that was not so common, and I'm thinking that it is less common than in earlier times as well.
- Ned
Thank you, very kind. Best of the Holiday to you and yours as well.
Definite +1 - Arrow out of commission
They got a Hooters in Cairo?
If not, seems they need one.
Probably make Egyptian women breathe a little easier.
Anyone who gets rid of the PTB's MB and moves towards a secular state can only be going in the right direction.
Americans!
Eject the running dog lackey of TPTB, Obama!
Refuse their substitutes!
Brakes is gone Weezie!! "Weeze fweewheelin!"
another classic case of the generational conflict...the protesters dont have any policies...i suspect that 100 iq over there in democratic terms counts for about a 50 in the west..however, the protesters are sure that a religion based in the stone age is guaranteed to make sure the men have very little and the women nothing...only the leadership gets the money...sound familiar?...after a fourth JD it sounds very similar to the social media generation and old process oriented, tick boxing corporatists, economists, and failed mobocracies in the west..
who gets to keep the 1.5 billion a year of US aid money for the least two years of freshly minted dollars? i bet pittsburgh could spend that money in just as corrupt a manner..what makes egyptians so special?
with the NSA "revelations" (to the uncynics anyway) the US is going out of its way to alienate any country it might trade with by spying on price and volume setting meetings of its trade partners..aided and abetted by the british...mentality is win/lose..winners have bigger guns, better bunga bunga parties and can print money..that's the national champion bank brotherhood..
china is going to catch on quick to the "rigging the market" or "insider trading" method of settling trade agreements (why is it illegal to insider trade the stock market but not trade agreements and contracts?)...step forward some country that can guarantee no listening/monitoring/blackmailed forum..probably downtown west bank or bombed out kabul crater or totally EMP filled nuclear accident site like fukushima..
Boy oh boy, traffic in Cairo is gonna be a mess this week.
Indeed. But they deserve a day or two off. Then they need to get to work to repair their broken economy.
"The revolt in Egypt is an organically driven people-power movement to oust a dictator, restore universal freedoms, and wrestle the country free from the clutches of the US military-industrial complex, but the man now being positioned to form a new government is a pied piper working for the very same globalists and NGO’s that autocrat leader Hosni Mubarak has dutifully served for nearly 30 years..."
http://www.infowars.com/mohamed-elbaradei-globalist-pied-piper-of-the-eg...
That northern suburb Gulag still looks nice and peaceful :-)
Wish we could get the Egyptian military over here!
IF THE PEOPLE OF EGYPT HAD WEAPONS, THEY COULD CAST A MEANINGFUL VOTE ....... all other ballots are fixed in the white house.