Grand Frère Comes To France: "Phone Calls, Emails, Web Use" All Spied On, Le Monde Says

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This weekend's epic indignation by Francois Hollande at the NSA, coupled with his laughable ultimatum for Barack Obama to stop spying, was almost good enough to mask the fact that none other than France has its own version of the NSA happily intercepting and recording every form of electronic communication. Almost.

Overnight French Le Monde reported that "France, like the United States with the Prism system, has a large-scale espionage telecommunications device. Le Monde is able to reveal that the General Directorate for External Security (DGSE, special services) has systematically collected and spied on the electromagnetic signals emitted by computers or phones in France, as well as flows between French and abroad all our communications. Politicians are aware of this, but secrecy about the Big Brother operation is the rule."

For the French-speakers out there, here is the full schematic:

Reuters has more:

France's external intelligence agency spies on the French public's phone calls, emails and social media activity in France and abroad, the daily Le Monde said on Thursday.


It said the DGSE intercepted signals from computers and telephones in France, and between France and other countries, although not the content of phone calls, to create a map of "who is talking to whom". It said the activity was illegal.


"All of our communications are spied on," wrote Le Monde, which based its report on unnamed intelligence sources as well as remarks made publicly by intelligence officials.


"Emails, text messages, telephone records, access to Facebook and Twitter are then stored for years," it said.


The activities described are similar to those carried out by the U.S. National Security Agency, as described in documents leaked by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden.


The documents revealed that the NSA has access to vast amounts of Internet data such as emails, chat rooms and video from large companies such as Facebook and Google, under a program known as Prism.


They also showed that the U.S. government had gathered so-called metadata - such as the time, duration and numbers called - on all telephone calls carried by service providers such as Verizon.


France's DGSE was not immediately available for comment.




France's seven other intelligence services, including domestic secret services and customs and money-laundering watchdogs, have access to the data and can tap into it freely as a means to spot people whose communications seem suspicious, whom they can then track with more intrusive techniques such as phone-tapping, Le Monde wrote.

What is amusing is that some are still surprised by such ongoing revelations. The sad truth is that every "democratic", "developed" government has been violating the privacy of its citizens for years and in this electronic day and age, no such thing as privacy exists.

Which is to be expected: Egypt just showed what happens to "democracy" when it is not properly cultivated by the 1% which has a vested interest in giving the peasantry the impression that people still have rights, and liberties and their vote "counts" just so the public attention is diverted from what truly matters: the endless transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich under the guise of "wealth effect", "democracy", "representation" and other lies.

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Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:03 | 3721054 CPL
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Le sigh.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:12 | 3721074 max2205
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Suck me blue

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:16 | 3721086 WonderDawg
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I think we can dispense with the notion that this isn't going on in every country with the technological capabilities to do so. It should be fairly obvious by now that all governments are spying on their citizens. It's nothing new, really, it's just that now their capabilities are much more advanced than they were in the days of J. Edgar.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:24 | 3721106 diogeneslaertius
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exactly, its a global surveillance grid, a prison planet. and it is not News. it is Olds.

welcome to the NWO global panopticon plantation.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:56 | 3721158 Shell Game
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I think Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn would agree that it doesn't pay to ignore conspiracy theories until they become conspiracy facts.  That NWO thing people scoffed at is here to bite us all in the ass.  

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:51 | 3721279 espirit
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Le Pew.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:15 | 3721549 knukles
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Yowza brother Dawg!
Been in my "todja todja todja" mode with this now for weeks.
It's already been public that our guys keeping us free have been exchanging all sorts of info with the other guys keeping the other folks free all of which is scooped up out of the ether, optics. coax or copper.

And exchange means a two way street, like by definition they have something to give back...  Duh...

What else have others been thinking?

Oh, never mind just us Conspiracy Theorists getting our "and you said I was crazy" moment of grandeur and fillip in...

And talking about who does what and where, last week on a brutally difficult course I shoot an 84.  3 days later, same course a 107.  Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds or some such, no?
Damn, I must be a genius!

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 15:54 | 3721908 WonderDawg
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Knuksie! I understand the logic of what you're saying, but now our guys don't need their guys, our guys are doing the spying themselves, the Constitution be damned. It is what it is. I guess we just acknowledge it and deal with as best we can.

I'd love to be playing golf today but the weather here is not cooperating. Last two rounds were 78 and 79, which means next time will probably be 95. Lack of consistency is my SOP.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:29 | 3721589 Save_America1st
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Yes, and the way they get around warrantlessly spying on us is that the various national spy agencies world-wide have agreements to allow each other to spy on one another.  Then they trade their data amongst themselves.  Constitution be damned, ay!?

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:05 | 3721057 francis_sawyer
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They have a Trojan Rabbit too...

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:38 | 3721125 jon dough
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There is a time to laugh and a time not to laugh, and this is not one of them.

Inspector Jacques Clouseau

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:05 | 3721059 lizzy36
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Vive le france!

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:10 | 3721066 zerozulu
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How to say in French, "I am not worried if I have nothing to hide".

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:17 | 3721084 CPL
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Try this.  "Va te faire foutre."


Well if you are in Canada.  Or if you need more bite to it.  "Va te faire écraser la bite à coup de santiags, tabernac!"

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:27 | 3721233 zerozulu
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Thanks, I just emailed it to a french.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:17 | 3721089 Orémus
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je n'ai rien à craindre si je n'ai rien à cacher

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:29 | 3721111 Sudden Debt
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Pour mois un verre de vin rouge de la maison

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:55 | 3721156 Acet
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That would certainly help with not being worried.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:18 | 3721197 ThisIsBob
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Well, I have some stuff to hide, but I don't keep it on any computer or talk about it on any phone.  That is just lazy.

Fri, 07/05/2013 - 06:04 | 3722916 Free_french
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Je m'en bats les couilles, il n'y a rien à sucer....

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:10 | 3721183 Cacete de Ouro
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Zut Alors!

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:09 | 3721063 Sudden Debt
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trusting the French quality of their technology... I'm not that affraid....




Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:24 | 3721372 disabledvet
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and it smells of fromage.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:10 | 3721064 YHC-FTSE
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Happy Surveillance Day, Pitches! 

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:39 | 3721128 Yes_Questions
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Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:56 | 3721159 Acet
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Bonne surveilance, Putainez!

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:12 | 3721070 LetThemEatRand
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Dear Alex,

Let me again express my apologies for thinking you were a bit over the top when you were talking about a one world government NWO control grid.  


Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:15 | 3721082 kliguy38
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same here

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:22 | 3721101 Yes_Questions
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Please stop losing your fucking marbles anytime you get on mainstream tv.


THAT is giving us kindred a bad image.


Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:55 | 3721157 dark pools of soros
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It's part of the deal. Shalom

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:18 | 3721559 knukles
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Yes, you see, Alex is prescient.
Much of his "trip" proves to have more than a "grain" of truth.
I shall continue reading his musings and making my own decisions....

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:18 | 3721202 Svendblaaskaeg
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"...NWO control grid..."

"for Gods sake, Trevor, always you with that conspiracy stuff!"

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:11 | 3721071 q99x2
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Here's another name for the shitcan list for next election cycle: senator dan durbin

Globalist Nazi Senator that introduced big pharma bill to outlaw supplements.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:39 | 3721420 Carl Spackler
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The Senator's real name is Dick Durbin from Illinois ("the Land of Corruption").

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:12 | 3721073 chaartist
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there is and was no law. sheeple won't recognize it again until late. I never expected that Snowden would turn out this well in terms of after effects. Puppets are hurt so they will become more nervous.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:14 | 3721079 Monedas
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"Mr. Obama .... tear down this wall !"    Francois Hollande 

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:15 | 3721085 suteibu
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"With the monstrous weapons man already has, humanity is in danger of being trapped in this world by its moral adolescents."
- Omar N. Bradley

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:19 | 3721093 Satan
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" We have drawn a Marigot Line in the sand."

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:20 | 3721097 WTFx10
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Suprise! So some kids in college ARE paying attention.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:40 | 3721131 Bastiat
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Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:21 | 3721565 knukles
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Gotta tell y'all, the kids I'm aware of thru family members may be lost and shallow in many aspects but they are not fools whatsoever with respect to the tyranny and oppressive nature of the shit comin' down.
I'd say a much larger percentage of them yoiungin's is "aware" than the older populaiton, by a long shot.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:11 | 3721184 CPL
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They are trained, know how to interface with the public and they'll be out of a job within the year once the pencil gets sharpened in a couple of months because of unintended consequences in their pension management.

I'd see if I could recruit the recruiters.  Lemons out of lemonade.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:23 | 3721223 Shell Game
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Nice! Those students ripped the NSA drones a new one. 

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:22 | 3721099 q99x2
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Happy Edward Snowden, American Revolution and Independence Day.

Probably see ya at an AA meeting.tomorrow.

Time to send that 2 timing liberty bitch back to France. She's got bugs.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:36 | 3721102 CaptainSpaulding
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Plus ca change, Plus c'est la meme chose.. The more that things change, The more they stay the same.

              -Rush, Circumstances...Hemispheres

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:23 | 3721103 arrogantchef
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I would love to be able to listen in on a few government agencies. Would that be a crime or would it be ok because they expect people to listen in? 


Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:43 | 3721136 Bastiat
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I'd love to be able to listen to our elected representatives selling us down the river.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:41 | 3721252 g speed
Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:23 | 3721104 diogeneslaertius
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le shit already existed

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:28 | 3721105 Aurora Ex Machina
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IT'S time to start saying your goodbyes, because tomorrow France will pull the plug on the internet.

Well, an internet – the vintage system in use during the ‘80s before the world wide web took off and slowly killed it.

The France Telecom service “Minitel” was launched in Brittany in 1978 and used by millions during its heyday in the ‘80s and ‘90s - mainly for banking, travel reservations and watching porn - (funny how things never change). [Telegraph 2012]

Bonus fun fact: the French system was called ANTI(p)OPE. BBC closed theirs (Cfax) in 2009, and all major communications have switched from analog > digital.

Quelle Surprise.

Here's today's fun American tie-in: "The Mob and the Multitude: The NSA comes recruiting". (Here's the pure audio) And yes, the NSA are proud to announce they drink & do karaoke, and literally pull the defense that was popular at Nuremberg. They also claim they don't chose their "adversaries" - I suspect there's a Top Secret Document somewhere with a lot of words that define an adversary as "EVERYBODY". I'll take the recruiters' word for it though, given we can't read it.


(Fine: I'll remove the poetry, we've a critic in the house)

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