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Grand Frère Comes To France: "Phone Calls, Emails, Web Use" All Spied On, Le Monde Says

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This weekend's epic indignation by Francois Hollande at the NSA, coupled with his laughable ultimatum for Barack Obama to stop spying, was almost good enough to mask the fact that none other than France has its own version of the NSA happily intercepting and recording every form of electronic communication. Almost.

Overnight French Le Monde reported that "France, like the United States with the Prism system, has a large-scale espionage telecommunications device. Le Monde is able to reveal that the General Directorate for External Security (DGSE, special services) has systematically collected and spied on the electromagnetic signals emitted by computers or phones in France, as well as flows between French and abroad all our communications. Politicians are aware of this, but secrecy about the Big Brother operation is the rule."

For the French-speakers out there, here is the full schematic:

Reuters has more:

France's external intelligence agency spies on the French public's phone calls, emails and social media activity in France and abroad, the daily Le Monde said on Thursday.


It said the DGSE intercepted signals from computers and telephones in France, and between France and other countries, although not the content of phone calls, to create a map of "who is talking to whom". It said the activity was illegal.


"All of our communications are spied on," wrote Le Monde, which based its report on unnamed intelligence sources as well as remarks made publicly by intelligence officials.


"Emails, text messages, telephone records, access to Facebook and Twitter are then stored for years," it said.


The activities described are similar to those carried out by the U.S. National Security Agency, as described in documents leaked by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden.


The documents revealed that the NSA has access to vast amounts of Internet data such as emails, chat rooms and video from large companies such as Facebook and Google, under a program known as Prism.


They also showed that the U.S. government had gathered so-called metadata - such as the time, duration and numbers called - on all telephone calls carried by service providers such as Verizon.


France's DGSE was not immediately available for comment.




France's seven other intelligence services, including domestic secret services and customs and money-laundering watchdogs, have access to the data and can tap into it freely as a means to spot people whose communications seem suspicious, whom they can then track with more intrusive techniques such as phone-tapping, Le Monde wrote.

What is amusing is that some are still surprised by such ongoing revelations. The sad truth is that every "democratic", "developed" government has been violating the privacy of its citizens for years and in this electronic day and age, no such thing as privacy exists.

Which is to be expected: Egypt just showed what happens to "democracy" when it is not properly cultivated by the 1% which has a vested interest in giving the peasantry the impression that people still have rights, and liberties and their vote "counts" just so the public attention is diverted from what truly matters: the endless transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich under the guise of "wealth effect", "democracy", "representation" and other lies.


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Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:03 | 3721054 CPL
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Le sigh.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:12 | 3721074 max2205
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Suck me blue

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:16 | 3721086 WonderDawg
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I think we can dispense with the notion that this isn't going on in every country with the technological capabilities to do so. It should be fairly obvious by now that all governments are spying on their citizens. It's nothing new, really, it's just that now their capabilities are much more advanced than they were in the days of J. Edgar.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:24 | 3721106 diogeneslaertius
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exactly, its a global surveillance grid, a prison planet. and it is not News. it is Olds.

welcome to the NWO global panopticon plantation.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:56 | 3721158 Shell Game
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I think Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn would agree that it doesn't pay to ignore conspiracy theories until they become conspiracy facts.  That NWO thing people scoffed at is here to bite us all in the ass.  

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:51 | 3721279 espirit
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Le Pew.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:15 | 3721549 knukles
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Yowza brother Dawg!
Been in my "todja todja todja" mode with this now for weeks.
It's already been public that our guys keeping us free have been exchanging all sorts of info with the other guys keeping the other folks free all of which is scooped up out of the ether, optics. coax or copper.

And exchange means a two way street, like by definition they have something to give back...  Duh...

What else have others been thinking?

Oh, never mind just us Conspiracy Theorists getting our "and you said I was crazy" moment of grandeur and fillip in...

And talking about who does what and where, last week on a brutally difficult course I shoot an 84.  3 days later, same course a 107.  Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds or some such, no?
Damn, I must be a genius!

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 15:54 | 3721908 WonderDawg
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Knuksie! I understand the logic of what you're saying, but now our guys don't need their guys, our guys are doing the spying themselves, the Constitution be damned. It is what it is. I guess we just acknowledge it and deal with as best we can.

I'd love to be playing golf today but the weather here is not cooperating. Last two rounds were 78 and 79, which means next time will probably be 95. Lack of consistency is my SOP.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:29 | 3721589 Save_America1st
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Yes, and the way they get around warrantlessly spying on us is that the various national spy agencies world-wide have agreements to allow each other to spy on one another.  Then they trade their data amongst themselves.  Constitution be damned, ay!?

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:05 | 3721057 francis_sawyer
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They have a Trojan Rabbit too...

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:38 | 3721125 jon dough
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There is a time to laugh and a time not to laugh, and this is not one of them.

Inspector Jacques Clouseau

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:05 | 3721059 lizzy36
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Vive le france!

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:10 | 3721066 zerozulu
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How to say in French, "I am not worried if I have nothing to hide".

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:17 | 3721084 CPL
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Try this.  "Va te faire foutre."


Well if you are in Canada.  Or if you need more bite to it.  "Va te faire écraser la bite à coup de santiags, tabernac!"

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:27 | 3721233 zerozulu
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Thanks, I just emailed it to a french.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:17 | 3721089 Orémus
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je n'ai rien à craindre si je n'ai rien à cacher

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:29 | 3721111 Sudden Debt
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Pour mois un verre de vin rouge de la maison

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:55 | 3721156 Acet
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That would certainly help with not being worried.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:18 | 3721197 ThisIsBob
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Well, I have some stuff to hide, but I don't keep it on any computer or talk about it on any phone.  That is just lazy.

Fri, 07/05/2013 - 06:04 | 3722916 Free_french
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Je m'en bats les couilles, il n'y a rien à sucer....

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:10 | 3721183 Cacete de Ouro
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Zut Alors!

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:09 | 3721063 Sudden Debt
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trusting the French quality of their technology... I'm not that affraid....




Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:24 | 3721372 disabledvet
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and it smells of fromage.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:10 | 3721064 YHC-FTSE
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Happy Surveillance Day, Pitches! 

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:39 | 3721128 Yes_Questions
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Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:56 | 3721159 Acet
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Bonne surveilance, Putainez!

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:12 | 3721070 LetThemEatRand
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Dear Alex,

Let me again express my apologies for thinking you were a bit over the top when you were talking about a one world government NWO control grid.  


Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:15 | 3721082 kliguy38
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same here

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:22 | 3721101 Yes_Questions
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Please stop losing your fucking marbles anytime you get on mainstream tv.


THAT is giving us kindred a bad image.


Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:55 | 3721157 dark pools of soros
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It's part of the deal. Shalom

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:18 | 3721559 knukles
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Yes, you see, Alex is prescient.
Much of his "trip" proves to have more than a "grain" of truth.
I shall continue reading his musings and making my own decisions....

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:18 | 3721202 Svendblaaskaeg
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"...NWO control grid..."

"for Gods sake, Trevor, always you with that conspiracy stuff!"

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:11 | 3721071 q99x2
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Here's another name for the shitcan list for next election cycle: senator dan durbin

Globalist Nazi Senator that introduced big pharma bill to outlaw supplements.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:39 | 3721420 Carl Spackler
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The Senator's real name is Dick Durbin from Illinois ("the Land of Corruption").

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:12 | 3721073 chaartist
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there is and was no law. sheeple won't recognize it again until late. I never expected that Snowden would turn out this well in terms of after effects. Puppets are hurt so they will become more nervous.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:14 | 3721079 Monedas
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"Mr. Obama .... tear down this wall !"    Francois Hollande 

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:15 | 3721085 suteibu
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"With the monstrous weapons man already has, humanity is in danger of being trapped in this world by its moral adolescents."
- Omar N. Bradley

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:19 | 3721093 Satan
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" We have drawn a Marigot Line in the sand."

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:20 | 3721097 WTFx10
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Suprise! So some kids in college ARE paying attention.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:40 | 3721131 Bastiat
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Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:21 | 3721565 knukles
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Gotta tell y'all, the kids I'm aware of thru family members may be lost and shallow in many aspects but they are not fools whatsoever with respect to the tyranny and oppressive nature of the shit comin' down.
I'd say a much larger percentage of them yoiungin's is "aware" than the older populaiton, by a long shot.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:11 | 3721184 CPL
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They are trained, know how to interface with the public and they'll be out of a job within the year once the pencil gets sharpened in a couple of months because of unintended consequences in their pension management.

I'd see if I could recruit the recruiters.  Lemons out of lemonade.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:23 | 3721223 Shell Game
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Nice! Those students ripped the NSA drones a new one. 

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:22 | 3721099 q99x2
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Happy Edward Snowden, American Revolution and Independence Day.

Probably see ya at an AA meeting.tomorrow.

Time to send that 2 timing liberty bitch back to France. She's got bugs.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:36 | 3721102 CaptainSpaulding
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Plus ca change, Plus c'est la meme chose.. The more that things change, The more they stay the same.

              -Rush, Circumstances...Hemispheres

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:23 | 3721103 arrogantchef
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I would love to be able to listen in on a few government agencies. Would that be a crime or would it be ok because they expect people to listen in? 


Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:43 | 3721136 Bastiat
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I'd love to be able to listen to our elected representatives selling us down the river.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:41 | 3721252 g speed
Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:23 | 3721104 diogeneslaertius
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le shit already existed

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:28 | 3721105 Aurora Ex Machina
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IT'S time to start saying your goodbyes, because tomorrow France will pull the plug on the internet.

Well, an internet – the vintage system in use during the ‘80s before the world wide web took off and slowly killed it.

The France Telecom service “Minitel” was launched in Brittany in 1978 and used by millions during its heyday in the ‘80s and ‘90s - mainly for banking, travel reservations and watching porn - (funny how things never change). [Telegraph 2012]

Bonus fun fact: the French system was called ANTI(p)OPE. BBC closed theirs (Cfax) in 2009, and all major communications have switched from analog > digital.

Quelle Surprise.

Here's today's fun American tie-in: "The Mob and the Multitude: The NSA comes recruiting". (Here's the pure audio) And yes, the NSA are proud to announce they drink & do karaoke, and literally pull the defense that was popular at Nuremberg. They also claim they don't chose their "adversaries" - I suspect there's a Top Secret Document somewhere with a lot of words that define an adversary as "EVERYBODY". I'll take the recruiters' word for it though, given we can't read it.


(Fine: I'll remove the poetry, we've a critic in the house)

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:15 | 3721194 Cacete de Ouro
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I remember some French dude watching porn on Minitel in some French Arthouse movie in the 80s and I thought WTF, where can I get one of those clunky little monitors

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:24 | 3721107 10044
Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:25 | 3721108 Peter Pan
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People have always complained that politicians never listen to them. Well they have all been proven quite wrong.

Their every word and transaction is being recorded and in 20-30 years from now our children will be able to lodge Freedom of Information requests to get all of their parents' phone conversations, bank records etc.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:32 | 3721117 joak
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It's all our fault lol

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:43 | 3721135 Catullus
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Governments around the world aren't competent enough to have developed these systems and have allowed the Internet to develop organically as it has. There are companies out there creating the back doors for them.

I think I'll watch Sneakers today. What a great movie that dealt with this question. So much better than Skyfall. And am I the only one that cheers for Goldfinger? Time to drink and watch anti-government movies

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 10:44 | 3721137 Spastica Rex
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All the cool kids are doing it.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:01 | 3721170 suteibu
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Just because some thing is technologically possible doesn't mean it should be done.  Humanity is doomed once technology perfects cloning and the elite can manufacture dickless workers/servants, lobotomized women with big tits, and young boys who stop aging at 12 years.  The masses will then be obsolete.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:25 | 3721228 FeralSerf
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But look at the Bright Side. (Is that the same as the Illuminized Side?) There will no longer be any need for religion and the many wealth wasting churches to keep The Flock in their pens.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:30 | 3721243 smacker
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"Just because some thing is technologically possible doesn't mean it should be done."

Exactly. This is something I have argued for years but our political slimeballs cannot get it into their heads. Or they're so besotted by what's technically possible, they can't resist spending taxpayers' money doing it.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:52 | 3721280 g speed
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You mean like eunuchs, concubines, and sons of slaves? ----old news for the powerful--

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:03 | 3721175 Heroic Couplet
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If the topic is "spying," how much does the media actually know and how much of the media crap could be truthful and accurate?

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:18 | 3721201 lakecity55
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Prison Planet, Pit-Chez!

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:25 | 3721580 knukles
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How many so feebly doubt how deep the rabbit holes....
You'd think that at a place like this there wouldn't be so much push back to that point of view
Tee he

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:18 | 3721204 FeralSerf
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Egypt is showing The Elites why all the world's people "need" computers and iphones, i.e. so their attitudes and opinions can be known real time.  The only reason there are so many Egyptians in the streets is because The Sheep Herders aren't connected to them.  The Sheep Herders in the so-called First World countires have no such problem.  They're watching this post appear as I type, in fact.  (That's one of the reasons the unemployment rate is as low as it is in America.)

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:22 | 3721222 Spastica Rex
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I don't get the unemployment connection.


Sat, 07/06/2013 - 12:21 | 3726397 FeralSerf
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There is less people "unemployed" in the U.S. because of the government's "need" to hire more people to watch its citizens.

Federal government employment has grown by leaps and bounds for the last 20 years. Manufacturing employment, not so much.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:26 | 3721229 evernewecon
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Not seeing from earlier.  Not meaning to double post.


U.S. internet firms should get marginalized

even faster than were U.S. staple exports (corn, not

staples from staplers.)


Is an ex-U.S. massive intranet possible?


Of course, time's the essence of economics.

I can't say I'm optimistic over the effects of

today's choices emanating from Washington insofar

as our (the U.S.') future's concerned.


The greatest ...(I'm mincing words) wrong is

mixing GMO corn with Mexico's. 


Their combined interest in a better future 


towers above that behavioral frailty.

Today, we're all Pyramid people.


Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:28 | 3721235 wildbad
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i'm shocked ... shocked!

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:05 | 3721525 One World Mafia
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The IRS is listening.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:12 | 3721544 chogopogo
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Your private sphere is very dear to us. That's why we've made it our private property!

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:24 | 3721567 Joebloinvestor
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The French are that stupid that the censorship prevents them from "connecting the dots".

DUH fellas.

I suggest watching the original "Day of the Jackel" and pay close attention to when the inspector reveals how he got the leaker.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:41 | 3721622 ak_khanna
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At least people in some countries have the guts to kick out non performing and incompetent governments unlike the zombie citizens of the so called developed countries that go about their lives ignoring their governments illegal actions of taking away their civil liberties by spying on all their activities, letting their countries drown in debt and letting big businesses and banks dictate the rules and regulation by which the majority of the citizens have to live.

llusion of Democracy today.

People sponsored by the rich, make false promises to the masses to get elected. Distribute national wealth amongst themselves and their sponsors (Industrialists) and when that is not enough borrow money from rest of the world and continue the distribution process. The borrowed money has to be paid back by taxing the masses keeping in mind that tax rules are made such that the politicians and their sponsors pay minimum or no taxes.

End of political tenure, rinse and repeat till the whole system breaks down and the world wealth is cornered by a minuscule of the population.

Having deprived a majority of the population of their wealth and the means to earn a living, the politicians need unlimited access to the military to control the probability of a revolt by the victims of their crimes.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 14:04 | 3721685 Sandmann
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Sugar is the key. the more sugar the populatoon consumes the more sluggish the response

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 14:03 | 3721684 Sandmann
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Rather destroys Blackberry's last claim to fame - BBM - now it is no longer secure it reduces the valuation of RIMM enormously. Clearly the valuation of a plethora of Internet Stocks should fall now we know they are simply fronts and cutouts for the NSA and related Five Eyes agencies with no doubt much of Silicon Valley Vencap funded by DARPA

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 16:57 | 3722013 ILikeBoats
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Notice the politicians never get outed for their money laundering or their mistresses.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 19:20 | 3722267 StychoKiller
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It's good to be King!

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 19:59 | 3722381 SuccorMoney
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All your data are belong to us.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 20:59 | 3722510 BigSpruce
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As Sting so aptly sang:

Lay my head on the surgeon's table
Take my fingerprints if you are able
Pick my brains, pick my pockets
Steal my eyeballs and come back for the sockets
Run every kind of test from A to Z
And you'll still know nothin' 'bout me

Run my name through your computer
Mention me in passing to your college tutor
Check my records, check my facts
Check if I paid my income tax
Pore over everything in my C.V.
But you'll still know nothin' 'bout me
You'll still know nothin' 'bout me

You don't need to read no books on my history
I'm a simple man, it's no big mystery
In the cold weather, a hand needs a glove
At times like this, a lonely man like me needs love

Search my house with a fine tooth comb
Turn over everything 'cause I won't be home
Set up your microscope, and tell me what you see
You'll still know nothin' 'bout me
You'll still know nothin' 'bout me
You'll still know nothin' 'bout me etc.
You'll still know zip a-bout me

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