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July 4th - A Celebration Or A Memorial Service

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Submitted by Simon Black via Sovereign Man blog,

Amid all the barbecues and fireworks today in the Land of the Free, it may be worth a short pause to remember the words of Thomas Jefferson some 237-years ago:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”


“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,”


“That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

Powerful stuff.

In one of the most eloquent treatises in history, Jefferson lays out that human beings are born free. And that we create governments in order to stay free.

Further, whenever governments become destructive to this effort, human beings have a right to dissolve the government and create a new one.

Jefferson then lays out an entire laundry list of grievances against the British King that have compelled the colonists to throw off the chains of tyranny and form a new government. This “long train of abuses” includes:

  • He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.
  • He has obstructed the Administration of Justice
  • He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny
  • For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments

As the modern, dysfunctional version of the US government has become little better than the court of King George III, one might make the exact same arguments today.

  • They have employed a multitude of offices, from the National Security Agency to the US Postal Service, to illegally spy on their citizens.
  • They have used the power and intimidation of tax authorities to bully political opposition groups.
  • They have authorized the military detention and drone assassination of their own citizens.
  • They have indebted future generations who will not be born for decades, and squandered the nations wealth on fraud, waste, and foreign military folly.
  • They have destroyed the primary function of the free market by awarding supreme monetary authority to a tiny banking elite.
  • They have passed tomes of new laws and regulations which criminalize everything from collecting rainwater to childhood lemonade stands.

I’m sure you would have a several more to add to this list. And I’d be curious to hear from you about it.

By Jefferson’s own standard, it seems rather clear that the government – most governments – have become destructive against their higher purpose: to safeguard the people’s liberty.

Today shouldn’t be a celebration... it should be a memorial service. Or at least a time to reflect heavily – when will enough finally be enough? When will it be time to act?


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Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:47 | 3721266 All Out Of Bubblegum
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When freedom rings, the NSA is listening.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:56 | 3721282 nope-1004
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Fuck you, Obama, Holder, Bush(s), Clinton(s), Rubin, Bernanke, Geithner, Yellen, Summers.............

We have no freedom.


Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:57 | 3721299 TeamDepends
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Well looky here:  World's first Physical Gold, Silver Exchange starts in Singapore @  The SPGMX features "peer to peer bullion trading capabilities".

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:37 | 3721337 HobbyFarmer
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Hobby Farmer standing by in the midwest.  I expect a brother to my right and another liberty loving one to my left when the day arrives.

Happy Independence Day.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:48 | 3721455 Divided States ...
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As we keep watching TV for news on global events, there will be less mention of other countries. Soon there will be no news on countries like Cyprus (deposit haircuts), Portugal (more bailouts), Egypt (military coup), Japan (nuclear fallout),  Turkey (riots), Brazil (more riots) etc, it will just be news on our beloved country and most likely about new Google wearable computers, Apple I-watch, new reality shows, blah blah...One day, all NEWS will be irrelevant in this world because it has reached a perception that whatever happens to your neighbour will not effect you. We Americans deserve what is coming to us because we are so ignorant.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:55 | 3721482 kaiserhoff
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My barbeque got rained out, along with almost everything else in Florida.  Maybe that's a sign.

Lot's of crap has gone on with ZH in the last couple of months, but I still check in.  Why?

Maybe it's our best form of Radio Free America.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:15 | 3721533 ZerOhead
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Let's see now... the following reads like a list of Cheney/Obama'a accomplishments...


  • He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.   

CHECK (NSA, DHS, FBI, CIA, DEA, defence & security contractors etc. etc. etc.)

  • He has obstructed the Administration of Justice

CHECK (Jr. Dick Holder refuses to prosecute Wall Street much less even investigate corruption etc. etc. etc.)

  • He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny

CHECK (Now called private 'security' contractors...)

  • For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments


Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:21 | 3721564 Spanky
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My point is that we need be doing something Constitutional and democratic about it. Peacefully in the voting booth, revoking our consent to be governed by these corrupt bastards (and the elite's twin parties). No Candidates, No Consent.

Would write more, but bbq is on and Grandma's ready to eat. ;>)

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:46 | 3721635 Winston Churchill
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Perhaps you will be able to compare notes on your strategy's

effectiveness in the FEMA camp such actions will find you in.

Someone in the UK wished me happy fourth today.

I told him the founders are spinning in their graves because the

country they risked life and fortune to create has become a corrupt,

kleptcratic ,fascist , duopoly , police state.

He was a little stunned(he thought I was American I think),but

he totally agreed.

Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 14:10 | 3721697 Spanky
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Great fear-based appeal however.

Perhaps you will be able to compare notes on your strategy's effectiveness in the FEMA camp such actions will find you in. -- Winston Churchill

Really? Voting will get us put in FEMA camps now? 

The Founders are spinning in their graves because you don't understand the power in your vote and their Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

But, seeing how you're a Tory and all... your confusion is understandable.

What I expect, if American voters ever realize their true democratic power, is that we'll be comparing notes in D.C. at a Constitutional Convention.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 14:22 | 3721725 duo
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When NSA metadata indicates that you voted for the wrong party/candidate, you will be denied boarding on that airplane, you will not get that by-pass surgery you need, you will be audited.

When that sits in the back of the undecided voter's mind, guess who they will vote for.

The Republicans had a chance to be a change agent until they screwed Ron Paul and his supporters at the 2012 convention.  Now we have to wait until the kids born since 9/11 get old enough to vote, and they form a third party (the "we've been screwed" party).

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 14:34 | 3721756 Spanky
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So you vote to give up without a fight. Good to know.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 16:25 | 3721963 ZerOhead
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Nope not give up but merely accept things (and human nature) as they are at this moment

When they crash this sucker there will be change... for better (hopefully) or worse there will be massive change.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 20:32 | 3722465 old naughty
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Fri, 07/05/2013 - 00:30 | 3722804 Spanky
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Same thing, if you don't prepare an alternative narrative and choice, for use when "this sucker" crashes. Otherwise you simply ensure the elite-only version...

If you want change, we have to invent it. Unity is what we need. What do you propose?

Fri, 07/05/2013 - 16:43 | 3724724 ZerOhead
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There is an extremely fool-proof, legal and most importantly non-violent and completely democratic way to re-instate a Government Of The People, For The People and By the People as the Constitution originally (not really) intended utilizing the existing Democrat vs. Republican (false choice) structure but the timing will be critical.

You are absolutely correct in assuming that the cure to the illness must be ready when (preferably before) the curtain comes down on this shitshow or else they will merely create a massive diversion (usually war) and hit reset.. or alternatively attempt to expand the existing parasitic ponzi to the rest of the planet.

It's still a little early actually but if you are interested...

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 06:04 | 3725817 Spanky
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Tell me more...


Replying here...

It could be done, but only if you have a hammer. And if you have a hammer, you don't need their process to pass our bill. Depending on how big our hammer, that is...

And that's the trick, isn't it. 

I argued at Occupy to join forces with independent Tea Party and contest the '12 election. Rebuffed by both. (The disruption operations were interesting.) One part of the argument was that since no one would actually know the numbers we might poll, with the possibility of at least swinging the election to one twin party or the other, an advantageous negotiating position might be created...

And your idea might fit. Pass or else...

What I propose is merely process. Constitutional process. And this particular Constitutional process terrifies the elite. It introduces the element, the possibility, of mobocracy. Chaos, in their minds. Democracy by definition. If that fear is their manichean devil, and an advantageous opportunity presents itself, use it against them.

With the uncertainty of numbers behind us, and the greater their uncertainty the greater our advantage, they might cave... But we would have to be very careful that we did not sell our souls too cheap.

There is no magic bullet. We must employ many ideas, financial, economic and political, to get where we need to go. But first we must create an overarching political goal -- a goal anyone can sign onto for any reason... any reason at all. And couple our goal to a basic, straightforward strategy which will employ good, local, decentralized ideas to maximum effect, as well as create a narrative for coordinated nationwide efforts.

Money out of politics? The Separation of Wealth and State?

It goes far deeper than mere money... but it's a good start. A very good start.

Sat, 07/06/2013 - 15:42 | 3726708 ZerOhead
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I will explain the mechanics to you at length but first it all primarily hinges on the ability of a Bill to be written that would effectively eliminate (or at least severely reduce) the ability of special interests to buy whatever it wants in the sphere of policy and law. (Or whatever you think would be most capable of restoring control of the government to the people)

That of course is based on the primary assumption that it is the desire of our elected officials to remain elected officials... and that it is the costs involved both financial and organizational that forces to them to sell the best interests of the nation out to these special interests. (It goes well beyond that for many members... especially those in the Senate...)

Don't worry about it being agreeable to the Representatives and Senators... it just has to be effective.

That is the only major hurdle. That and it being able to withstand a possible challenge to the Supremes.

Do you think this can this be done?

(Use your last above post to reply Spanky... just edit it alright...)


Sun, 07/07/2013 - 06:04 | 3727868 Spanky
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See above.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 18:19 | 3728900 ZerOhead
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Don't post on me please Spanky... I don't want any permanent 'crumbs' lying around that could assist anyone trying to prevent the implementation when I'm done understand?

There IS a magic bullet. Any Bill you can write that would be seen by the public to address the problems at hand can be turned into Law with this process.

Have you noticed that even considering their often diametrically opposed viewpoints on substance there is a great deal of agreement between the Occupy crowd and the Tea Party? They both know that the process has been corrupted and in that they are natural allies... the enemy of my enemy is my friend after all...

There is also growing awareness of the population in general that Wall Street (most notably amongst others) runs the show... and there is also already widespread agreement and an uncomfortable current of angst that the nation is heading in a very wrong direction. The fuel is already there...what is needed is the right spark of an idea just as the compression stroke reaches the top of the cylinder...

Even many Members of Congress themselves are distressed at the necessity spending most of their days fundraising and often supporting legislation that they may not even believe in just to raise enogh money to be able to run for office again.

If the majority opinion here at ZH is correct then a continual deterioration in economic conditions is likely to intensify as time progresses... which will at some point cause the situational awareness of the population to rise sufficiently to be able to achieve widespread support for any good idea (read Bill) that could help to restore the Government to "We The People".

So you want a big fucking hammer?

I'll give you your big fucking hammer.

The question still remains unanswered... namely... if we took away the legislation writing keys from the kids and kept the Bill(s) out of Committees (where a couple of asswipes like Barney Frank would happily gut it for their paymasters)...

Can a Bill be written that would at a minimum get things heading in the right direction?

Their process controlled by us... Our Bill

Yes or No.


While you wait for my response please familiarize yourself once again with Grover Norquist... blood pledge... hmmmm... powerful stuff...



Mon, 07/08/2013 - 02:57 | 3730068 Spanky
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Let's pick this up in another thread...

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:48 | 3721647 DaddyO
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Simon is full of Sh*t!

He says this from someplace other than the USA!

"Today shouldn’t be a celebration... it should be a memorial service. Or at least a time to reflect heavily – when will enough finally be enough? When will it be time to act?"

If enough is enough, then come back to the USA and do something about like the rest of us!!!

You're nothing but a yellow coward who thinks expatriating is the answer to the current onslaught against Liberty.


Thu, 07/04/2013 - 14:03 | 3721683 SimMaker
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And WTF are YOU doing about it Daddyo?..........sitting in your bunker waiting for it all to fall apart?

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 14:36 | 3721763 DaddyO
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If you've read even some of my posts, you'll know I am not sitting in a bunker in East Lower Slumbovia waiting for a collapse.

Close your brokerage accounts and invest locally in your market in things that are tangible.

Only render to Caesar what is the absoltue minimum that you are legally obligated to pay.

Make sure you are able to weather any unforseen calamity without utilizing any .gov services.

Educate your children in the real ways of the world, not the current sham we know as the edumacation system.

Live life to the fullest extent possible in spite of the PTB and their endless quest to implement their statist regime.

These are just a few of the things you can do to disconnect from the current financial system and government.

Each individual can make changes based on his situation and circumstance.

Oh and by the way SimMaker, you can go F*ck yourself, you pompass ass!


Thu, 07/04/2013 - 18:24 | 3722159 Shell Game
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Hear, hear!  These are exactly the non-violent acts of civil disobedience we all must do.  

I for one am with you, DaddyO. My place is here, in the USSofA, to live or die trying to regain a Constitutional USofA.  The blood of tyrants and patriots are required to refresh the Tree of Liberty.

My blood is here tyrants, come and fucking take it....

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 20:37 | 3722474 old naughty
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just like T.J. is...

oh, he's spinning, still?

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 14:00 | 3721678 McMolotov
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Sorry to be the one to inform you, but if 1% of the population were to vote, 51% of that would still be called a "mandate" by Washington and the state media. We already have abysmal voter turnout, and while I myself don't vote because I believe it legitimizes our enslavement, even more abysmal voter turnout will solve nothing.

As far as doing something "Constitutional" about it, Lysander Spooner once made an excellent point: The Constitution "has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it." It's comforting to cling to the document as though it were sacred — to believe it can somehow save us. But it has, unfortunately, proven incapable of stopping our slide into tyranny.

History has demonstrated time and again that this will have to be solved by watering the tree of liberty.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 14:26 | 3721732 duo
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when the Constitution was signed, wasn't voting limited to land-owning men who could read?  Expanding the vote to anyone over 18 that can breathe (and quite a few dead people in IL an FL) opens the door to tyranny, as free shit can only be taken from those that produce, by force.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 14:36 | 3721759 Spanky
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My, my... aren't we the little elitist.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 14:39 | 3721755 Spanky
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Apparently you do not understand the Declaration of Independence nor Constitution. And by not voting you ensure your enslavement.

The twin parties are the scam, not voting. Nothing in the Constitution mandates political parties, much less the elite's twin parties. Stop voting for them. But vote. And if there are no suitable candidates, vote to explicitly revoke your consent to be governed by the bastards.

For someone with the handle McMolotov, I don't see much fire...

And perhaps, if only 1% (say ~10-20M) voted for candidates and TPTB declared a "winner", do you really think the 99% (~130-180M) whom voted to revoke their consent are not going to enforce their will? (And I would love to have those numbers.)

Would such a government be seen as legitimate? Would it's orders automatically be followed?

Perhaps we'll have to water the tree of liberty. But let's not neglect strategy and commonsense in a rush to shed our brothers' blood. Cut their legitimacy out from under them first, and perhaps they'll simply fall. If not, we march...

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 16:08 | 3721848 McMolotov
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Were you asleep during the last election? Those of us who believe the government is too large and intrusive are outnumbered conclusively by those on the Left and Right who worship the welfare and warfare state. To make matters worse, it will only become more dire due to demographics and the growing dependence of so many upon the government. Each year will see an increase in the numbers of people devoted to a powerful central authority. It is akin to George III sending crown loyalists to the thirteen colonies and winning new support among the colonists. We have passed the tipping point when voting could still make a difference.

Moreover, this government enjoys incredible amounts of power over all of us, power that George III could have only dreamed about in his wildest fantasies. This power will not willingly be given up. We are taxed more, harassed more, coerced more, monitored more, and flat-out threatened more than the founders of this country ever were.

Yet here we sit like docile sheep, and some misguided souls still believe this can be solved by passively pulling a lever in a voting booth. Those who cling to such foolishness are either young, and their idealism can be excused, or they are old enough to know better. Have things improved or gotten worse during your lifetime? Why do you think we will now set out on the path of liberty when there has been a steady, relentless march in one direction — toward tyranny — as long as we have been on this earth?

This is not a message of surrender. On the contrary, this is more of a battle cry. The Declaration of Independence did not call on the people to meekly play along in a rigged game that had been forced upon them; it called on the people to overturn the existing order. Things must change, otherwise the children born twenty years from now will grow up never tasting even the smallest bit of freedom. That is precisely how serious it has become, and no amount of political fiddling will ever prevent this country from burning.

Fri, 07/05/2013 - 01:01 | 3722818 Spanky
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Because... we agree.

This is not a message of surrender. On the contrary, this is more of a battle cry. The Declaration of Independence did not call on the people to meekly play along in a rigged game that had been forced upon them; it called on the people to overturn the existing order. Things must change, otherwise the children born twenty years from now will grow up never tasting even the smallest bit of freedom. -- McMolotov



Because... you do not understand Constitutional governance. Try it.

Yet here we sit like docile sheep, and some misguided souls still believe this can be solved by passively pulling a lever in a voting booth. -- McMolotov

You seem in a rush to water the tree. I prefer we martyr no one needlessly. You are sadly mistaken about passivity... rather it is you who sit and wait. Wars are not won defensively. One must ever seek the offensive advantage, turn an opponent's weakness into our strength, and act. Politically, economically, financially... on every front.

Let's water as a last resort.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 14:39 | 3721745 Vic Odd
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"My point is that we need be doing something Constitutional and democratic about it. "

Our founders did not set up a Democracy. They set up a Republic.

Democrats tend to want to "Do something about it" whenever a problem arises. I believe most problems arise when control freaks impose thier will on others.

I would rather we UNDO everything antithetical to our founding documents that our corrupt 'representatives' (snark) have passed since the days of Woodrow Wilson. In other words, restore the rule of law.

You cant vote "democratically" to restore what is "inalienable". According to the Declaration of Independence it is our creator who endowed us with inalienable rights, not our Government.



Thu, 07/04/2013 - 15:03 | 3721791 Spanky
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Agreed, but you put the cart before the horse.

We are not voting about our Constitutional rights -- we are voting to vacate our government's constitutional offices. We are voting, under the Constitution, to revoke our consent to be governed by (i.e.: fill constitutional offices with) crony politicians in a rigged political system.

That is our democratic oversight in our republican system. I understand how the system works and that we need to restore the republic. But the only way to restore the republic is to do so democratically (i.e.: one citizen, one vote).

Simply ask people to answer the following question in the voting booth: Do you agree with what the US government is doing? If not, don't vote for the bastards; vote to revoke your consent to be governed by them.


Thu, 07/04/2013 - 15:21 | 3721839 Vic Odd
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I totally agree, but getting government to put that option on a voting card would be impossible. The only meaningful way to withdraw consent is to boycott taxes and withdraw all currency from the banks.

If we rely on industrial agriculture and grocers we are very vulnerable. There is a good reason our great grandparents had big gardens, orchards, chickens and pigs around. If we must use their currency (FRNs) to buy food they have got us by the balls. The Fed controls us more than any politician or head of any alphabet agengy, because they have a monopoly on what is mandated as legal tender.

The old timer farmer in overalls, sipping whiskey on the porch with his shotgun may be wiser than we knew....

If we rely on the infrastructure for survival, we are aleady slaves

The only way to be sovereign is to have the ingenuity and creativity to opt out and survive off the grid.

See Agenda 21

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 17:08 | 3722035 Spanky
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[G]etting government to put that option on a voting card would be impossible. -- Vic Odd

We're not asking them... we're telling them.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 19:31 | 3722297 Vic Odd
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Okay Spanky. you tell 'em. You tell 'em good.

Fri, 07/05/2013 - 01:07 | 3722825 Spanky
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Vic, we agree on everything else...

All I'm asking you to consider is a simple question:

Do you consent to what the US government is doing?

And vote your conscience.

Fri, 07/05/2013 - 09:34 | 3723338 Himins
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Not sure why your comment got junked. Nothing in your post appeared to be in disharmony with the general outline of this story. Maybe I'm dense, or perhaps many folks believe that voting in general is the wrong approach. I would agree with them if that's the case. I vote with my dollar. I will boycott just about anything in my line of site...why feed the bear.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:56 | 3721668 Race Car Driver
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> As we keep watching TV ...


I junked you for that.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:52 | 3721467 King_Julian
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I'm your Huckleberry in the mid-Atlantic east. Full up round.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:18 | 3721557 Abitdodgie
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Hey! How’s it going? I’m all right.

My job is so shitty I wish I could overthrow my boss. It’s like this oppressive regime where only true believers in his management techniques will stay around. I work marathon-length hours and he’s made all these changes that have made it the worst architecture firm to work at in Manhattan. Like he moved the office to the Financial District and fired my assistant. She was the only one who knew where the blueprints were! I need access to those blueprints to complete my job! F my life, right? And he keeps trying to start all these new initiatives to boost revenue, but seriously we just need to stick to what we do best. There’s only one true profit center. I seriously feel ready to go on strike at any second.

I just read this article about how these free radical particles can cause the downfall of good health and accelerate aging. These could actually cause death to millions of Americans. If these particles are flying around undetected everywhere, does that mean we’re all radicalized?

Have you seen the second season of Breaking Bad? I just finished it. I couldn’t believe that episode where they poison the guy with ricin! That was the bomb! I won’t say any more because I don’t want to reveal the earth-shattering events to come.

Oh! So I’ve been planning a big trip for the summer. I’m thinking of visiting all of the most famous suspension bridges in the United States. So probably like the Golden Gate Bridge, The Brooklyn Bridge, and the Verrazano Narrows Bridge. I’m gonna bring my younger brother and I know he’ll want to go to bars, so I’m thinking of getting him a fake drivers license, but I hope that doesn’t blow up in my face.

Okay, I gotta run! I’m late for flight school. I missed the last class where we learn how to land, so I really can’t miss another one. Talk to you later!

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 19:57 | 3722375 thestarl
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Seems to be the way with big companies kiss up kick down style management where only the cocksuckers prosper.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:02 | 3721313 JohnG
Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:01 | 3721506 kaiserhoff
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Excellent John, Many Thanks.

I see someone junked you.  I guess Holder's sorry ass didn't like it;)

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:23 | 3721569 CheapBastard
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Someone junked that?

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:55 | 3721667 JohnG
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I wear my junks as badges of honor for getting under someone's thin skin.

At least if I junk someone I'll indicate why in a reply.  Rarely junk anyway; everyone has an opinion....

Seems like there's some pissed off little prick on ZH that comes around junking almost every comment.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:34 | 3721604 mr. mirbach
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Happy Free-Pretend-Dance Day!


"...the real significance of the Fourth of July lies in the expression of what is undoubtedly the most revolutionary political declaration in history: that man's rights are inherent, God-given, and natural and, thus, do not come from government."
Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:19 | 3721560 King_Julian
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Beautifully done. Douglas and Gibson can project gravitas. Whoopi, not so much.

"It is their duty."

Well, let's get to it folks.


Thu, 07/04/2013 - 15:36 | 3721871 JohnG
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Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:33 | 3721341 aint no fortuna...
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We don't have political parties - we have two political crime syndicates that are run by the Bigs, the crime families - Big jumbo insolvent CRIMINAL banks, Big oil, Big arms/intelligence merchants, Big healthcare/insurance and Big sock puppet captive media. They run the show 100%. We're dumbed down by mindnumbing bullshit on the tv and internet and bombarded by the propaganda that we only have two choices - the dims or the repugs - and then we're encouraged to take sides and fight with each other rather than fighting our true enemies. And we fall for it EVERY TIME. Divide and conquer 101- it's been like that since the beginning of time and we still don't get it. Until we think out of the box and realize that we the people have a shared purpose and that we have other choices besides A or B, we're destined for the gulag. Frankly, I don't give us much more than 20% odds that we avoid that fate within the next 10 years. They're gonna lock us down and we'd rather watch the Kardashians than take back our country. Perhaps that's all we deserve.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:57 | 3721490 iDealMeat
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+ Muslims v. Christians

Same as it ever was.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:17 | 3721547 BLOTTO
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Presidents are born, not elected.


The dream that any average guy, from humble beginnings, can rise up and become president is a crock of horse shit.


We are dealing with family occult bloodlines that orginated from ancient times passing from generation to generation in their teeny tiny perverted circle...and whats ruled the planet since day still ruling today on day XXXXXXX.


Its not logical for the common man to be this unlucky...and mathematically impossible - unless...the game (life) is rigged.


Now what? What the fuck do we do?


I go to bed every night and think - what the fuck are we doing? Like for real, whats everyone doing damn it.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:37 | 3721616 Bay of Pigs
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JFK outlined who the enemies of Freedom and Liberty were and was shot to death for it. A true prophet for our times.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:59 | 3721674 zerozulu
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Freedom is something you teach your kids from early age. It stays with them rest of their life. Like...


Thu, 07/04/2013 - 18:32 | 3722169 Shell Game
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Exactly.  I tell my kids ever chance that comes up how often government is wrong and dangerous. They believe now that government exists to take money and power. Puts a lump in my throat...

Fri, 07/05/2013 - 10:10 | 3723474 Himins
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BOYCOTT...It's our only vote remaining.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:20 | 3721357 RSloane
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Egypt is following the directives of Thomas Jefferson. The people have wrested power from their dictator reducing him to impotency while the pages of Facebook and Twitter are his only means of ranting. We have a lot to learn from Egypt.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:28 | 3721584 TBT or not TBT
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Uh the ARMY not the people jailed their elected leader the Islamist nut job leader of the Muslim Brotherhood. The second place party in the election were the even more muslim salafist party. The people's choice.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 14:01 | 3721680 franzpick
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And the Statute of Liberty, originally intended by the sculptor to be a robed Egyptian peasant women holding a torch, and to be placed as a lighthouse at the northern end of the Suez canal, should go back where it started and will be appreciated.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:44 | 3721440 Go Tribe
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They have invited foreign troops onto our soil.

They have sent arms and aid to our enemies.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:45 | 3721446 Kaiser Sousa
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"Fuck you, Obama, Holder, Bush(s), Clinton(s), Rubin, Bernanke, Geithner, Yellen, Summers.............

We have no freedom."

i got a letter from the government - the other day

i opened and read it  - it said they were suckers...

the wanted me for their army or whatever

pitcure me giving a damn - i said never...


you mother fuckers want real freedom???

you better be willing to kill and be killed for it - cause the banker controlled shithole is willing to kill you and yours to maintain this kleptocracy...its time ZH'ers and those concious of the STATE of affairs put up, or shut the fuck up and accept your servitude...all included 


Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:19 | 3721553 Croesus
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Attention All:

Just want to wish Happy Birthday to America, and a Happy 4th of July to the readers of this site, who are awake and aware! You, and people like you, know what it's about, and where it's going!

With regard to the idea that we should perhaps consider it a Memorial service:

Doing such a thing implies that there is no hope. If you truly believe that there is no hope left for this country, then what is the point of stacking, stocking, and studying?

If you are doing that, then your actions show you have hope and hope may be all you need.

Don't trifle yourselves worrying about what the "sleeping Sheeple" are doing, or which politician is screwing us over this week.

The politicians are backing themselves into a corner, just as the Fed has done. Every misstep on their part "wakes-up" more of the Sheeple, and further damages the politicos' already-waning credibility.

Instead of worrying about them, give them the giant middle finger they deserve, and enjoy this day with the friends and family that make your life worth living, and your ideals worth protecting. 




Thu, 07/04/2013 - 22:44 | 3722662 ceilidh_trail
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Well said!

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:58 | 3721284 i-dog
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We all need to each start our own "I do not consent to be governed by your two party farce!" movement!


### DO NOT VOTE!! ###

### and tell your friends and family not to vote! ###


ONLY if enough people withdraw their consent from the MIC-sponsored Elephant-and-Donkey Show, will it be shown to have lost all its legitimacy. Only then can meaningful progress be made towards restoring a Constitutional Republic that respects individual and States' Rights, and mutual progress through diversity.

By voting, you are implicity agreeing to abide by the decision of the majority. It's no use voting against Obomber and then complaining when he gets elected by those around you! By voting, you have agreed to accept their decision and to have also accepted choosing between the only two choices presented by TPTB.

If you did not vote, then you can legitimately claim to not be bound by the decisions made by those who did (though you may have to move to a Free State - oxymoron that it is! - to fully benefit from the claim)! That's why voting is compulsory in some ensure that everyone is bound by the decision of the majority.

The people of Egypt and Turkey have shown their "buyer's remorse" for broken election promises by demonstrating in their millions in the streets, but it will all be for nought if they then stupidly march into the polling stations to again choose between one of two establishment parties and thereby agree to be bound by the decision (whether all candidates are given equal access to state media, and the votes are legitimately counted, or not....). (Also note: There is a form of compulsory voting in both Egypt and Turkey ... forced 'implied consent')!

It's time for people to wake up to the 'democracy' scam and find ways to reform it back to a Constitutional Republic. My preference is, obviously, to live in an anarcho-capitalist Free State ... your mileage may vary, and I respect your right to choose, or build, an alternative 'state' to trade with in peace.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:01 | 3721311 NotApplicable
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'Til my last breath.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:09 | 3721328 beaglebog
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Nice one, i-dog.


Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:10 | 3721330 All Out Of Bubblegum
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"Government is an association of men who do violence to the rest of us." -Tolstoy

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:38 | 3721394 IridiumRebel
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I went to Boston the other day. I saw the USS Constitution and other cool sites. What stuck out was The Boston Tea Party and The Sons of Liberty who got the ball roling by refusing to pay their taxes to the British Government. It seems that cutting off the purse strings was the thing that got the Brit's attention. 

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 16:19 | 3721956 SillySalesmanQu...
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Starve the Beast!

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:44 | 3721441 Hail Spode
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I accept and practice your idea of not voting when there is no good candidate, but there is something more procactive we ought to do, and some of my friends and I are trying, so that every peaceful answer might be tried.   We are forming a network of independent groups whose aim is to recruit and support independent candidates for the state legislature.  FEDGOV is too far gone and it takes too much money to play, and the bought media is too slanted.  But for a state legislative race, it is still in reach of the common person.   This is the idea espoused in "Localism, A Philosophy of Government".   One of the "Seven Pillars" of the philosophy is that political parties are a part of the problem.   For example, political parties which back candidates for federal offices should not be allowed to back candidates for state and local offices, because to have it otherwise destroys the intent of federalism.   The book also advises networks of independent groups sponsoring local candidates for office, races that don't take a million dollars to win.


Fri, 07/05/2013 - 03:59 | 3722894 Spanky
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I accept and practice your idea of not voting when there is no good candidate... -- Hail Spode

This is precisely the time most important to vote, to revoke your consent to be governed by the corrupt bastards.

Fri, 07/05/2013 - 10:21 | 3723521 Hail Spode
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You might want to take that back.   When no good candidate steps forward and there are two corrupt bastards on the ballot, how do I save the country by lending the dignity of my vote to one corrupt bastard rather that the other?   I daresay I have been more poltiical active than 99% of the population.  I even helped a fellow win two state wide Republican primaries, that 2nd time as his campaign manager.    I was Ron Paul's official campaign spokesman in my state in 08.    I know about the system- that's why I don't always participate in it AND I am ACTING, not just complaining on a message board, to develop an alternative where I live.


Fri, 07/05/2013 - 11:27 | 3723739 Spanky
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All fine and good qualifications. But you still don't understand the Constitution and Declaration of Independence... fully.

I've made some some non-trivial remarks about voters revoking their consent to be governed under the Constitution. Consider them.

Third party candidates can be easily ignored and marginalized by the MSM and twin parties during the campaign. If one manages to win office, they are politically isolated by twin party members. 

But you know that already, given RP's recent campaign history and long legislative service... How do we counter this?

Stop thinking candidates, for now, and consider a viral campaign pitting the Constitution against twin-party candidates... by attacking TPTB's legitimacy at it's source -- our consent to be governed.

It's a powerful sword, if we are strong enough to wield it.

And +1, for acting... 

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:51 | 3721461 ceilidh_trail
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If you don't vote then you have NO voice. Stewing and churning on a blog is not going to accomplish anything. Do like us Tea Party people and go after the grass roots. Get your people on the ballot to go through the mill to be the choice against the other ones. Otherwise, you can sit and cry about what you are unwilling to change. McCain can push his guy, but we can push our own as well... It worked this past year for me- my guy is now a US Rep.

And that is how we take back our country- one vote at a time.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:03 | 3721512 All Out Of Bubblegum
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> If you don't vote then you have NO voice.

No one can win a rigged carnival game except for the carnival owner. None of us owns the carnival and we never will own the carnival.

The only way to get America back is the way Gandhi took India from the Brits: non-violent non-cooperation with the occupying government. The only way that can happen is if tens of millions of Americans all of the sudden became historically and morally literate. We're a generation or two away from that. I expect my kids or their kids will be the ones to throw off the yoke. There's too many fatasses in their 50's, 60's and older that are looking for handouts from Uncle State to effect any kind of meaningful change in this generation.

So buckle up, put on a crash helmet and stop putting any faith in government to save our asses.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:11 | 3721532 i-dog
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LOL ... You are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Neither Tea Party, nor OWS, nor Libertarians, nor RINOs, nor <insert catchy name here>, speak for me ... and neither can you or your mates speak for Miami and Atlanta and Houston and New York and San Francisco!!

Give it up ... you are a JACP (Just Another Central Planner)!

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 22:41 | 3722652 ceilidh_trail
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Actually, I grew up in NYC, met my wife in Miami, and have spent time in the other three... I do not want to speak for you. I get the feeling you have enough voices in your head already...

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:08 | 3721537 Vooter
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"If you don't vote then you have NO voice." people who vote have a "voice"...WAKE THE FUCK UP. So "your guy" is now a U.S. Rep...what the fuck do you think that's going to do for you? These people are PIGS, and voting for any of them makes you a pig by association. STOP BEING STUPID. If you vote, you're PART OF THE PROBLEM.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:41 | 3721624 Ms. Erable
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The soap box is owned by multinational banking corporations.

The ballot box is rigged.

The jury box is full of idiots that don't know what the word nullification means, and they sure as hell aren't my peers.

One box remains, bitchez...


Fri, 07/05/2013 - 03:55 | 3722892 Spanky
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+1 For nullification.

-1 For not knowing how to use the ballot box, and Constitution, before resorting to the last box.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 22:22 | 3722623 ceilidh_trail
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I'm wide awake. What's your plan? Roll over and take it? Give me a break. You can choose to be a loser, I don't.

Fri, 07/05/2013 - 00:11 | 3722790 Vooter
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LOL! Believe me, voting IS rolling over and taking it. Stop kidding yourself...

Fri, 07/05/2013 - 04:02 | 3722895 Spanky
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"I never gave my consent for this does one NOT give consent in a "Democracy"? And what happens to you if you do refuse to consent?" -- SimMaker

+1 Because you're pissed and ready for change.

-1 Because you don't understand the Constitution and Declaration of Independence.

Which means it's being used against you... by denying the essential nature of our Constitutional contract.

The Constitution is nothing more than a contract between each and every American citizen. Our contract simply describes how we govern ourselves, and the Constitutional offices -- government -- it defines as our representatives.

We, you and I, are parties to this social contract. Government is the object of our agreement, the subject of our contract. Government cannot legitimately exceed the bounds of our contract as it is not party to it, but merely our agent. Our employee.

When an employee acts toward an employer, as our government now does toward us, what does the employer do?

Thus consent. Specifically your consent to be governed. Our consent to be governed. Or not. Consent is meaningless without the ability to dissent -- to just say No.

To be valuable, genuine, one must be able to answer either Yes or No to the question: Do you consent to be governed under the Constitution?

We answer Yes to this question each time we elect candidates to office. When you vote for a candidate, you implicitly consent to be governed by any candidate elected to the office. As a result of our collective consent, the new government (i.e.: candidates elected to Constitutional offices) is legitimated.

Because your consent to be governed is implicit in voting to fill Constitutional offices, you must revoke your consent explicitly by voting not to fill those offices. Your intent to revoke your consent must be clear and politically relevant. No Candidates, No Consent.

Will the government recognize such a vote? Government has no choice, as it is not party to our contract. Government is our employee, and if enough citizens revoke their consent to be governed, we will have fired those employees occupying Constitutional offices.

Certainly, TPTB, or shadow government as so aptly described above, will declare "winners" in any such contested election. But if, 20-30M vote for candidates and 100-120M vote to revoke their consent will that government be considered legitimate?

Will that 100-120M submit if they know their strength?

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 18:45 | 3722193 Shell Game
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@ceilidh_trail  -  that was precious........and naive enough to take me back to a time when I used to believe this children's bedtime story.  Wake Up, man!  

Vote with your wallet - remove yourself as much as possible from this financial system. 

Vote with your feet - move to an area with plentiful water and a good growing season. 

The time is upon us when the soap box, jury box and ballot box have failed us.  What is left for us now is the cartrige box.  Go to an Appleseed shoot, become a marksman.  Go to a firearms academy and get tactical training. 


Thu, 07/04/2013 - 22:32 | 3722637 ceilidh_trail
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Who the hell said anything about me being led? I voted for a representative for me and mine because that is the system we have. As for the rest, been there, doing that. I grow vegetables, apples, peaches, cherries, pears, blueberries and rasberries. I can already shoot, have my own boat and can fish as well. My wife and I have been canning for years. Regarding the cartridge box, no thanks- I'll continue to do it my way and not roll up and quit like a lot of the twits I read on these comment boards. 

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 14:25 | 3721729 ZeroChance
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It's called the Libertarian Party,, dedicated to the principles of freedom and liberty with no bullshit or weasel-factor.  Join/donate/vote or remain part of the problem.

Not voting is silly.  It sends the most tepid message, like the kid that stomps off to his room pouting isn't displaying impressive strength.  Much of the population is not voting and that hasn't shamed anyone and has actually been great for the elite.  They shit bricks whenever someone tries to rally people to care enough to get politically involved and vote for what they believe.  Voter participate/% is pathetically low, advocating more of that is the wrong answer.

If you truly want to drop out and create an armed rebellion (revolution), say that.  But, don't advocate not taking part of the normal peaceful processes, when they still exist.

Again, if you feel they will do no good, then be clear about what you're advocating and more power to you.  Just be sure you are just/right in what you're doing and maybe others will join you...

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 14:48 | 3721779 Kirk2NCC1701
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Sorry, I disagree:  "A nation deserves its leaders" still holds true today.

We get the leaders we elect plus because we don't elect the ones we should.  How many voters choose to vote for a "winner", rather than the ones our brains and conscience tells us we 'should' vote for?

How many of us get suckered into the "leading" or "hot" or "preferred" candidate-of-the-month* that the MSM is promoting?  E.g. How many voted for Huntsman in the last GOP primaries, rather than that Pizza king Mc..., or that Lets-Have-A-Moonbase moron, etc, etc?

How many voted for people other than Ron Paul, because they did not bother to get informed (actually make a fucking effort!) or think things through?

And as much as the stats show that we all hate the House and Senate, how many voted their OWN plotician back in?  Oh, I see, it's always somebody else's politician who is 'evil', right?

No, as a nation, we get EXACTLY the MFers we deserve.  Sorry.  Time to face the effin truth.


* The REAL purposes that we have the Flavor Of The Month candidates, is for the MSM to train/condition the masses to respond as desired.  It's all a massive "Manipulate The Dumbass, Lazy, Uninformed Masses":  WE will tell them how to 'feel' and vote -- is the mindset of the Elite.  Until the masses feel enough pain, they will not bother to make an effort or change.

Fri, 07/05/2013 - 03:52 | 3722888 Spanky
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I agreed with everything you said, then realized you were a fool.

### DO NOT VOTE!! ### -- i-dog

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:08 | 3721324 Poetic injustice
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And internal terrorists with fireworks will be stopped!

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:16 | 3721345 auntiesocial
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I am trying to curtail the cynicism for 24 hours... HAPPY 4TH ZH!

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 18:52 | 3722205 Shell Game
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Fuck that.  My cynicism flourishes on this day.  And please stop saying, 'happy FOURTH''s happy {prepare for the next} INDEPENDENCE DAY! 

Personally, I prefer Happy INDE-FUCKING-MOLON-LABE-EndTheFED-KillTheFuckingIRS-PENDENCE  DAY!!! -but that's just me....

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:48 | 3721649 Boondocker
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All talk no action in the US

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 14:20 | 3721723 sgorem
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"When will it be time to act?" The '60's protesters are all wasted, soft, and into themselves. The Vietnam vets, along with the ever growing legion of Iraqi 1 and 2, plus the Afgan warriors are PTSD, and on government disability, medical prescriptions, treatment and handouts, the WWII & Korean vets are mostly in the ground and silent, the rest of the population is on the government "crumb$" being dispersed monthly to buy their votes and to back the dictator and his minions. Who is fucking left?

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 23:31 | 3722728 AnAverageBear
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Thu, 07/04/2013 - 18:06 | 3722020 g'kar
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Freedom still rings for the Muslim Brotherhood in America, firmly entrenched in the US Government thanks to political correctness, an anti-American media and a bought off/blackmailed Congress and Supreme Court.

(Edited for offensive content)

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:49 | 3721273 lesterbegood
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"Today shouldn’t be a celebration... it should be a memorial service. Or at least a time to reflect heavily – when will enough finally be enough? When will it be time to act?"

Answer: Yesterday

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:11 | 3721332 Poetic injustice
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Not yesterday... every day. People should step on government toes every time government even tries to do anything unlawful. And last time anything was done, was 1970ies. Long long time ago.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:27 | 3721583 CheapBastard
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"Ten years ago was the best time to plant a tree. The next best time is today."


---Old Chinese Proverb

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:49 | 3721274 WarriorClass
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Eventually, Americans will realize that we haven't had a representative government since 1860, when big business got Lincoln into office and then declared war on the States. Free market capitalism died at the same time, we just didn't realize it until 1913 when the Bankster cartel formally took over the government's monopoly on power and money. We've had a fascist dictatorship since then and your vote has meant exactly squat. The only way to return to a Jeffersonian Representative Republic is the way our Founders did it in 1775.


That won't happen until people realize that it's not up to Boner, or Cruz or anyone else in government. It won't happen until the American people realize they have to take matters into their own hands and create their own future, just like our Founder did.


Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:33 | 3721333 Cdad
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Indeed.  Agreed.

And never before, or ever will it be, easier to throw off our failed and incompetent government.  For now, it requires only the Revolution of the Closed Wallet, the refusal to participate in this obviously fascist replacement economy/government, to confine spending to only those things that fit squarely on the list of "absolute necessities" in a prolonged effort to simply starve the beast.

Fix up your old car with your own hands.  Quit traveling.  Stop eating out, and raise/can as much of your own food as possible.  Quit chasing fashion, in clothing or technology.  Reduce "services" to bare bones.  Remove all funds from mega banks.  Sell stocks and bonds and buy precious metals...and prepare to persevere in this effort for years, if necessary.  Expect no one to affirm your actions.   Additionally, and wherever you can, be that dissident voice that proudly proclaims your intentions in these ways.

Until such time as the money printing stops, until such time as violations of our Constitution stop, until such time as all members of Congress who have been part of the bastardization of America are removed from office...refuse to participate in the false economy.  

Do not sit idly by as this once great nation is turned into a Banana Republic.  And if not for yourself, do it for the generations that will come along in your wake.

Fri, 07/05/2013 - 04:08 | 3722898 Spanky
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Agreed. Especially...

Expect no one to affirm your actions. -- Cdad

And this...

Do not sit idly by as this once great nation is turned into a Banana Republic. -- Cdad

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:33 | 3721596 ZerOhead
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Unbeknowst to most of Americans... Lincoln was a crooked Railway lawyer and state politician who was intimately involved in Illionois' worst financial disaster... railway fraud... and the use of public funds for his own land speculation.

Here's a good starting point to find out more about Lincoln... you may find an amazing similarity to the Clintons...



Thu, 07/04/2013 - 18:56 | 3722211 Shell Game
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DiLorenzo fucking rocks.. 


Lincoln, the United State's first dictator, and worshiped by the traitorous two parties.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:50 | 3721277 DoChenRollingBearing
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I am going to try to clean up my own act before I try to work on cleaning up our country.  Daunting tasks.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:55 | 3721292 Buckaroo Banzai
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"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:19 | 3721351 XitSam
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I do not need religion to be moral or formally give some of my rights to a government.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:04 | 3721518 Buckaroo Banzai
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The idea was that the constitutional government SECURES the people's rights. You do not "give up" rights to a proper constitutional government.

People who lack a proper moral center cannot discern what a RIGHT actually is, and are confounded by the difference between a RIGHT and a PRIVILEGE.

Furthermore, if there is no concept of God, then there can be no concept of a God-given RIGHT. Where there is no God, there are only Privileges granted by the whim of man. Existence becomes a struggle over who is in a position to take, and who is in a position to benefit, from Privileges.

Or, as Lenin so succinctly put it, "Who, Whom".

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:33 | 3721603 TBT or not TBT
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Thus the left and the democrat party campaign to undermine family and replace it with government.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:47 | 3721640 TBT or not TBT
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Here is a an article that dovetails Banzai.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 18:54 | 3722212 XitSam
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My rights were not "god-given". They are natural rights. Whether your god exists or not, I still have natural rights. They are not privleges given by some other person.

You start with a faulty assumtion to prove the point you want to make.

Fri, 07/05/2013 - 00:09 | 3722786 Vooter
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Oh, please--you people and your fucking "gods." You know how ridiculous you sound, right? At least tell me you understand that...

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:40 | 3721426 Kirk2NCC1701
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Put another way: It was made for a Christian culture. Not a Talmudic, Sharia or LGBT culture.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:01 | 3721507 Vooter
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Fuck Christ, and every other invisible goblin whose dick you like to suck...

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:52 | 3721281 mofreedom
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Our Bitch is Our Dictator.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:56 | 3721297 malikai
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Don't insult bitches like that.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:02 | 3721312 disabledvet
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gotta say the only fireworks that interested me were the ones in Cairo. something tells me that's gonna be true for a while.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:52 | 3721283 NidStyles
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I have no intention on attending any celebrations of this BS holiday of state worshiping.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:10 | 3721541 Buckaroo Banzai
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Can you really be that ignorant? The whole purpose of the Declaration of Independence was to overturn a tyrannical State.

That is what we are supposed to be celebrating. If you think it is about worshiping a state, you have let yourself become seriously confused.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:44 | 3721631 NidStyles
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Overtuning one state to impose another one. Hmm, sounds familiar.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 17:39 | 3722093 mofreedom
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you know not what is possible with liberty and i imagine have neither tasted it nor yearned for it.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 19:44 | 3722337 Blano
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I agree with you Buck, but that's NOT what most people are celebrating.  They're celebrating the US and A AS IS, or not even giving it any thought as they pound down brats and beer.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 17:57 | 3722125 mofreedom
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do you wear a diaper on your head?

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:53 | 3721285 IridiumRebel
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The United Banks of America.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:32 | 3721602 KickIce
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The United Banks of the World might be more appropriate.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:53 | 3721286 Whatta
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We have bbq's to tend to...can't revolt today. Maybe next week, or October when it's cooler.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 17:15 | 3721374 CaptainSpaulding
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My fatburger is all ready for George Foreman. Cant use bbq on my upper level apt..   :(

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:54 | 3721287 Disenchanted
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O'er the land of the fee

and the home of the knave...



s/ Amurika, fuck yeah! /s


Seriously though, I'm underwhelmed...

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:54 | 3721290 A82EBA
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When you face prison or death exercising your "...right to dissolve the government and create a new one.", it's no longer a right.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:22 | 3721364's picture

That's what the tyrants want you to think: that your rights come courtesy of their benevolence. The right to self determination is absolute.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:47 | 3721451 A82EBA
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Ok, but until the group of like-minded liberty seekers is large enough and organized enough, exercising our right of self determination has a very real and immediate consequence.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:42 | 3721626's picture

As liberty is a natural right, those who exercise self determination work in league with reality. And reality is a powerful ally.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 13:54 | 3721662 A82EBA
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Oh well there you go, that changes things..didnt realize we had reality on our side, what a relief 

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 16:52 | 3722006's picture

Do you own yourself or do you not?

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 23:47 | 3722754 AnAverageBear
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Then it is imperative to organize. now. today.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:56 | 3721296 Racer
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4th July..... it is indeed a day to mourn what the US used to stand up for.

Now we have the US tyrannical class forcing their way onto the peoples of the world, completed today by the new Gddam-man Slave-driver head of the BoE

Another nail in the coffin that was Freedom

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:57 | 3721300 Ignatius
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"The government" has been taken over by powerful private/corporate interests. 

The most profitable investment is to lobby and buy politicians.

Change this dynamic or nothing changes.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:26 | 3721378's picture

A just government operates according to the will of the people but all governments maintain sovereignty over individuals through a monopoly on violence. The internal contradictions negate the flawed concept.

Sovereignty lies with the individual. Government itself is the problem.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 11:59 | 3721304 screw face
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Impeach Obama........


replace the entire Congress in the next election....!


Starve the beast............fuck #Fukushima

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:27 | 3721380's picture

Vote for the oligarch of your choice. What a sweet deal.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:17 | 3721309 q99x2
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Well you want to wait until the power struggle between these lawless globalist technocrats, national corporate powers and sovereign nations starts to get physical so you have some money and backing to come in behind the movement. As the worldwide conflagration that these banksters are setting off begins to take place that will be the "when". But, like in Egypt it may take several attempts because the same scum will try to get back in unless of course they no longer exist. It is very interesting because the globalism that the NWO created will likely unite the world against the 50,000 or so criminal elite. It could have a lasting change should the world become united against them. Open source software could then negotiate most global governance functions. Society would finally end the primitive era of rulers, financial terrorists and destruction of the world and species by greedy sociopaths.


Long live the revolution

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:30 | 3721391's picture

The only revolution worth fighting is the one which delivers the power over an individual's destiny into the hands of that individual alone. Otherwise it's just like spinning Whos Next one more time.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:03 | 3721315 dick cheneys ghost
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Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:10 | 3721322 ebworthen
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safeguard the people’s liberty > safeguard the people > safeguard > guard safe

Once you remove liberty it is all downhill.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:17 | 3721348 Seasmoke
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safeguard the people’s liberty > safeguard the people > safeguard > guard safe > guard


finished it

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:12 | 3721335 post turtle saver
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I'm oppressed and enslaved, therefore I clench my tiny fists while bellowing my impotent rage... on the Internet. It is to laugh.

Yes, USA isn't perfect... show me a country or government that is. Don't like it? Sack up and get to fixin' things. The votes do matter, especially at the local and state level. Every sheriff election, every bond referendum... it all matters, you gotta make the time and put down your mark. It may seem like it's too slow but trust me it works its way up from there. Don't believe that's true? Compare Texas and California and tell me it isn't.

Seriously, no more whining.

Thu, 07/04/2013 - 12:35 | 3721409's picture

Suppose that I believe that I own myself and that as long as I do no injury to another person or another's property that I shouldn't have to live my life according to the whims of others? Impractical you say? It's the desperate attempt to prove that reality is impractical which has lead to the current economic and political mess in which the world finds itself.

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