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Boeing 777 Crashes In San Francisco (NBC: 2 Dead, Up To 70 Injured) - Live Feed
UPDATE: NBC Reporting 2 Dead, *SF GENERAL HAS '10 TO 12' CRITICALLY INJURED FROM JET CRASH
Just over an hour ago an Asiana plane inbound from Seoul, South Korea, crash landed at San Francisco airport. Given the images below, it is a miracle no one is reported dead (among the 291 passengers and 12 crew). An eyewitness noted:
- *AIRLINER TAIL HIT NEAR END OF RUNWAY, EYEWITNESS TELLS CNN,
- *AIRLINER SPUN COMPLETELY AROUND ON LANDING, WITNESS TELLS CNN
As far as they know, NBC reports, the pilot made no distress calls prior to landing and Federal officials indicate no indication of terrorism. The San Francisco airport will be holding a press conference shortly.
Local NBC news is reporting that the plane appeared to power-up as it was landing short and its tail hit the seawall.
as the plane hit the seawall...
NBC Bay Area local news - live feed
View more videos at: http://nbcbayarea.com.
Facebook CEO Sheryl Sandberg was supposed to be on the flight, but choose United instead. She posted the following on Facebook:
Taking a minute to be thankful and explain what happened. My family, colleagues Debbie Frost, Charlton Gholson and Kelly Hoffman and I were originally going to take the Asiana flight that just crash-landed. We switched to United so we could use miles for my family's tickets. Our flight was scheduled to come in at the same time, but we were early and landed about 20 minutes before the crash.
Flight path of Flt #214 (via NYCAviation)
And this image tweeted by a passenger who walked away (h/t Samsung Exec David Eun @eunner)
(via @blumonsoon)
Video of the plane on fire (h/t @360KID Scott Traylor):
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Time for the "HERO MEME" to switch on.... Don't think of the crash; commercial aviation safe for 75 years, flight crew saved lifes, passengers stayed behind to help blind kids onto the slide, all the while singing "I love Obama". Lukcily Fire Crews were doing a drill by the Bay. A 3-legged German Sheppard peed on the fire in the Cargohold.
Prayers to the families of the dead and injured... but you know its coming all next week.
Where is hte live Video!
NSA blocked it lol
That's some damn crappy piloting right there. The guy who landed that plane in the river now that sob knew how to fly a heavy aircraft.
This Lac-Megantic, Quebec train explosion looks a lot worse--a driverless train carrying crude oil from South Dakota barreled into the middle of town, derailed, and then blew the town up. Freaking nuts--loads of people missing, everything on fire...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23212541
Cheering Israelis were seen in nearby tavern.
What the hell are american rail cars doing way the hell up there filed with oil? Another case of "all this oil and no place for it to go." Soon, there will be more oil and gas than rail cars, storage tanks, and pipe. Soon we will be channel stuffing it in people's swimming pools.
I can't find any runway (via Google Earth) at SF International with the markings shown in the two NBC photos in the story.
Edit: The runways with the markings shown point out to sea, so it couldn't have hit the "seawall".
Get a map. Look to the east of sanfrancisco. Water. Seawater.
Put down map. Go back to basement.
Betcha mom wants the computer. Be gentle with him.
Drunk driving illegal aliens have been killing and injuring that many Americans every week for decades,. Where is news coverage for that?
According to nanional stats 115 people die in car crahses daily in America.
If drunk illegals are responsible for 2 of those per week, than it's a pretty damn good track record. And maintaining the stats for a couple of decades, you say?! Dang! If their flying's as good as their driving, let's get'em to fly planes too!
Oh! That's how a plane crash looks like! Please tell the guys there at the Pentagon!
Also in the news, what happens when you take your sports WAY too seriously:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/brazilian-mob-decapitates-soccer-referee-stabs-player-204306608.html
SAO PAULO, July 6 (Reuters) - One man has been arrested in northern Brazil after a referee who fatally stabbed an amateur player over his refusal to leave the field was decapitated by a mob, police said on Saturday.
Metal.
It took 4 hours for the NTSB to launch an investigation into this incident in San Francisco and we're still waiting 10 months later for someone to leave Washington enroute to Benghazi.
NTSB is being sent in to Benghazi? News to me ...
Preview from upcoming article on Alex Jone's site:
"UFO near miss combined with a few well-times shots from HAARP. The proof is there but the state-controlled media refuses to even look at it.".
"There are reports that Navy SEALS with Craft International caps were seen near the end of the runway less than an hour before."
"There are photos of them talking to nervous Arabs and are missing their backpacks. Still others are holding radiation meters."
"Witnesses are reporting FEMA and DHS trucks were see in the Bay area earlier in the day."
"Passengers arriving a few hours before the crash said they were hearing security messages over the PA system that this is only a training exercise."
"Unnamed sources are telling Infowars that the entire operation was ordered by members of the Bilderberg group to distract the public."
Dumb shits.
You and Alex Jones both. With no more than elementary educations, no doubt.
A waste of time and skin.
And you keep breathing MY air and wasting MY time.
Nothing but:
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A black lady in Oakland .... reported seeing .... a van full of mid-eastern looking men .... with skull caps and Israeli flag tank tops .... get out of their van .... start jumping up and down .... and high fiving .... shortly after the crash ?
But the wounded were paid actors using fake blood!...lol.
Obviously you did not catch that my post was a joke.
What a gomer.
Hilarious... LOL!
Seriously, where did this indent 7777 come from. Mind you this could, in part, explain the 320k part time jobs surge, he be workin' for The MAN.
From now on I shall refer to him has gomer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxlQQAw29yE
LA drill
the british airways 777 crashed aircraft had rolls royce. this one had pratt and whitney
this aircraft didnt do a polar flight in the middle of winter
it would be something like, autolanding impossible
korean pilots could not land it without autoland because they are shit tier
dont fly with people you cannot trust
A Boeing.
Of course.
Should have operated an Airbus instead.
An Airbus would have dissapeared over the north Pacific. Black box now in 3000 of water like the last one.
" A Boeing. Of course. "
An "Asian pilot". Of course.
Geesh ...
Airbus flight computers are known to take over and do things the pilot does not intend. Google Airbus airshow crash. Pilot wanted to do a low and slow fly by. Autopilot decided he really wanted to land, in the trees.
What would you bet that this will eventually be blamed on North Korean terrorism? Perhaps some cyber attack on the aircraft computer system, such as the several articles and reports I have read, and seen, recently of hackers taking control of automobiles. Stuxnet 3.0, MOAR war, economic recovery is within!
Yeah, braniac.
Within 10 secs of a scussessful touchdown.
yeah, brainac.
ALL WITNESSES CITE A NOSE UP ATTITUDE ON THIS LANDING FOLLOWED BY A TAIL STRIKE.
This news just in: Your 'brainaic' status has been revoked to idiot status ...
What successful touchdown? The thing dragged over the sea edge well short of the landing area of the runway. The debris did not go backward from the aircraft, it was left there from impact of some degree. Beside that, I am speculating on the next phase of how TPTB can use this since all of the fear mongering of North Korean intentions has faded away.
" What successful touchdown? "
Idiot.
I said within 10 secs of a successful touchdown.
You don't read very well.
In 10 secs while still on approach he could have CORRECTED this problem and cleared the sea wall.
Pilot inattention precipitated this.
Read and think before posting next time.
Speculation is my "GOD" given right! As well, 10 seconds is not an amount of time to correct unless at significant altitude. When at ground level however; there is little or no time to recover, basically! You are a troll cunt and I will disengage at this point because you are not a person that wishes to participate in any kind of fun interaction. Go fuck yourself and suck a BAG OF DICKS!
I can tell you are going to be REALLY popular around here.
Take your meds and troll elsewhere.
You are in more need of a blow-job than any man alive.
Count to ten, and go pay for some sex.
^^^ This guy. ^^^ Is either a giant fucking cunt, or... Is gonna wake up tomorrow going: "oh, my head... How much did I drink last night... I hope I didn't post my drunk ass off on any place within the Internet of relevance."
@Ident 777...
fat finger
Within the internet of relevance?
That sir sounds like an oxymoron.
Every landing .... is a controlled crash .... or worse ! Would this be a good time to introduce my invention .... it basically .... is alloy vanes .... on the landing gear wheel hubs .... to spin the tires .... and get them up to airspeed .... at the time of touch down .... to prevent loss of rubber tread .... brakes are for braking .... burning rubber is kind of passe .... and how unsightly those skid marks on the runway .... and that super hot rubber is an ignition point .... in case of a blow out and fuel leakage ? Monedas 1929 Comedy Jihad Over And Out World Tour
" it basically .... is alloy vanes .... on the landing gear wheel hubs .... to spin the tires . "
Didja notice your lovely 'alloy vanes' sitting there in a pile on the active just inside of the threshold?
Good one Monedas. I see what you're doing you cheeky devil!
Good to see the Comedy Jihad back again.
Within the two hour mark propaganda media site, NBCNews.com, had this in the mast of it´s home page:
"Close call: Facebook exec Sheryl Sandberg was almost on the flight"
Well, aren´t we all lucky one of the "elites" wasn´t on board?! Nevermind the average person, etc. LOL and what scumbags.
Why are they even reporting on someone that wasn't on the flight?! Did they ask Barney Milligan of Troy, Michigan of his reaction?
Hold the boat.. er, flight!
They're saying Barney Milligan was on that flight?
I was with Barney drinking shots and beers last night at Mac's in Pontiac!
He'd returned from Korea in 1951 after marching out of Chosen and said he'd never go back to the fucking place again.
No, they're lying.
I know Barney Milligan!
And he ain't no Barney Milligan.
Might be John Kerry saying he was John Kennedy... But maybe he just can't spell very well.
And John was Ski-Dooing in Rhode Island last night so he couldn't have been in Korea, either.
Let alone Egypt.
See this shit is how rumors start.
oh no ! but ..
what is facebook and who is Sheryl ..?
can they fuck themselves cause i'm really tired.
A factory building collapses in Bangladesh killing over 1000 people and Zero Hedge doesn't even make a SINGLE mention of it. I guess collapsing buildings killing over a thousand people are common enough it doesn't deserve mention.
A plane crashes close to landing killing 2 people and injuring a whopping 70 and they have up to the minute coverage of it.
Gold.
Sadly this same illogical coverage will also be seen in the mainstream media for the next week and change.
And to those that don't see a problem with it...just imagine what the coverage here and elsewhere would be if a factory in the U.S. collapsed and over 1k people died.
A couple of coal miners in West Virginia die .... in one our state of the art .... modern, safety first mines .... 24/7 for a week .... every year 3,000 Chinese die in coal mines .... only Monedas reports on it ?
Shit, more people die by gunfire in Chicago every weekend than have died in a full scale military coup in Egypt, FFS...
Imagine how much worse it woulda been had that community organizing not happened....
SHHH!! Knukles... you're spoiling the party in Chicago.
FBI now in charge
It's California the first responders are among the best paid people in the state, they sure as fuck better be providing a quick response.
In my opinion 95% chance it's pilot error. The guy stalled it on short final. Wasn't paying attention to his airspeed, got too slow, and fell out of the sky. Got behind the power curve before he realized he was sinking, and didn't have enough power to stop the excessive descent rate (the engines take some time to spool up). I'd also bet that it was the copilots landing and he was a low time Korean national.
Icarus knows. Personal experience with stalls. I stalled out because my wings melted. All pure speculation at this point in time.
Icarus
Yes but with the BA crash experience there is a chance it was mechanical. An eye-witness said the landing wheels did not make it over the sea-wall so it crashed way short. A bit strange the plane was not centered on the runway. It was wide right.
I got to ask how you melted your wings?
too close to the sun
Icarus flew too close to the sun:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_the_allusion_to_fly_too_close_to_the...
What the airlines used to call, "Premature Arrival".
Anybody here know if it's trickier to land at SF?
Maybe a pilot inexperienced with that airport.
No missile, he just ran short.
I landed a Piper Cherokee at SFO - something I'll never do again.
SFO doesn't have a bad reputation for landings (other than the fog and the closely-spaced runways). Takeoffs to the west are sometimes interesting since the Coastal Range isn't that far from the airport.
Weather was reported clear. This accident is unlikely to be the fault of the airport.
Sixty (60) passengers are unaccounted for and three hundred survivors have shown up at Oakland General hopital.
There are 60 missing but we have to wait for Janet Napolitano go come up for air from her Saturday muff diving exercises to clear the information of National Security concerns.
Thanks for that monstrous mental image
My breakfast may not stay down
Nah, the most TERRIFYING THOUGHT (caps for NSA review) is that somebody might be GOING DOWN ON JANET FATPOLIPUSSY!!!
Burn my eyes with acid just for thinking that. And how do you get past her size 20 feet?
.... stop already!
NSA Drone me now it's better than the mental images.... stop, stop, stop... my cellphones on you can't miss.
"Saturday muff diving exercises"
I didn't think it was even possible to say anything even remotely amusing about that cold, sociopathic, Nazi, cunt bitch, but you did it.
Now the challenge: try saying something amusing about that other cold, sociopathic, Nazi, cunt bitch Pelosi.
Dup. Post. Oopa.
You did not say that, I just doused my keyboard in coffee spewing out my nostrils Thanks!
Have they locked down the bay area and brought in the military yet ?
Any place else they would probably go house to house and confiscate guns. But in Pelosi's back yard there's no point. Only the cartels and terrorists can own guns in California. No need to take out their future false flag partners or convenient scapegoats.
NBC and reporting.. There is a first for everything.
Ordering blankets for hell.
Nah, story had already broken via Twitter before CNN could even "confirm" there was an accident.
It's comical how slow US MSM is these days.
All news is screen to remove any radical communist ties
'Pull it'
Hmm. Strange Days.
You'd have thought that Train crash carrying Oil in Quebec in the centre of town would have spiked ZH news, especially given the Train - Pipeline angle (Buffet vrs 'Other Concerns') and little details like there were was no-one piloting said train [confused reports: initially "driver jumped" switched to "automated" - confused track back], and it's been reported by an eye witness (who are always unreliable) as "going far too fast".
Obligatory eyewitness videos.
93 containers, 4-8 exploded, mid town.
Initial reports stated that >60 people were missing; at this point only one person has been confirmed dead. (Note: if you're missing in a busy bar area, with houses burnt down, you might be on Holiday, we can hope that's true. Looking @ the Google updated maps, both the local bar & firestation are in the centre of the explosion).
I hope for Quebec, and Canada, this is limited to a single person. Thoughts for those affected. Peace but more importantly, compassion and love, and sorrow.
.
yawn
27 people killed in traffic accidents in the past hour in US
worldwide countless atrocities in the past minute
so much easier to watch Wolf provide the soundtrack to an endless looping video of a plane on fire at SFO
as for La belle Province and that exploding train, best not to magnify the danger of `Chem trains` that criscross major urban centers along with desolate little towns and/or resort communities
You're on an economics blog, and you don't see how this possibly could influence pipe line legislation, Canadian Law, and so on? You don't think it could possibly influence the stocks of said developers against the interests of W. Buffet?
Tell me of your homeworld, Usul.
You certainly don't understand politics dear, let alone economics. Unlike the USA, where you're all whores, Quebec has some legal bite left. Don't expect the fines to be meager (and looking at the split political support for the pipe-line, looks like some parties will make serious bank off this: one might think this was a perfect event for them, timed in the middle of a town on a Friday night and all).
Chance exists: weighted dice also exist. Which are you rolling? O oooh Q oooh BOOM oooh Real oooh... oh fuck it. We get it: you did it, smart bunnies. Nothing to see here, it's all cool in the days of cyberpunks. Top tip: what you charge $1.87 million for, your average huckster can do for $1284. Don't confuse shitty Iraq tech with a developed country; that's a big mistake, Huckleberry.
note to Ax, the way i read zer0's response was that he was agreeing with you in his own ideosynchratic way.
btw, not all of "ZH" objects to your wavelength, my dear, so no need to be so sensitivo, some of us got your back, as long as you don't make the fatal mistake of grouping all of us amerikanos as 2 dollar whores (well, we might be but some of us know that we're 2 dolla whores)
you may be a looney toon, but you're not the only one ;~)
Ok, I'll reverse the junk.
Miffed @ something else that's looming.
any hints u care to share?
Reporting from Canada and yes there has been a greyout on this particular story.
Related to the TPP - I don't know:
http://openmedia.ca/blog/tpp-negotiations-quietly-arrive-canada
Open Media is focussing on certain small issues while missing the bigger ones imho.
I know a shitload of people in montreal of all political stripes and none of them have elevated this story.
That being said, rail infrastructure in canada has been sucking over the past few years.
It's bad, real bad, the Montreal paper is quoting people saying they got out but everyone else in (whatever bar) died. Some of the photos from the Montreal paper show blocks just leveled.
I agree, much bigger story than this one. But, in all likelihood ZH will cover it some way somehow. Because ZH provides.
PS I know that the US EIA has been having serious difficulties getting data on rail shipments of oil out of the Dakotas. That will be an interesting pressure point for starters.
http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=588&t=6
Does EIA have data on the movement of crude oil and ethanol by rail and truck?EIA has published several articles on the volumes of crude oil, refined petroleum products, and ethanol transported by railroads and trucks within the United States; see Learn more section below. However, we do not publish this data on a regular basis.
We are aware that there are increasing volumes of crude oil being moved by rail. Increases in crude oil production in North Dakota, Texas, and other states, have exceeded the capacity of existing pipelines to move oil from these areas to refineries in other areas of the country. Large volumes of crude oil inventories at Cushing, Oklahoma can also be attributed to the over capacity issue. Ethanol is mainly transported by rail from ethanol producing facilities to blending and export terminals.
The petroleum and ethanol movement data we currently collect only includes volumes moved by pipeline, tanker (ship), and barge. We have no plans at this time to expand this data collection to include rail and highway transport. EIA is not aware of another Government source that publishes these data.
To the people making fun of this, you're idiots. Despite the derp landing, the guy on the end of the plane who probably died a shitty death isn't something to be laughing at. Yes the toilet probably exploded upon landing, but thats no reason to mock this most unhonorable of fates.
Mark my words, I know what I'm talking about here.
The electronic glideslope for both runways 28 were inop. Not a big deal; routine really, especially with clear weather, at least for most Western pilots. Korean pilots, however, are much more dependant on automation. Shooting a visual approach without a glideslope is a challenge for these guys.
This accident is pilot error, plain and simple. However, there will be (unnecessary) focus on the glideslope, and why it was inop.
It appears you are correct as seen in the NOTAMS for SFO.
I do not know how common this is, but I think it's not uncommon nor a big deal as you say.
http://ourairports.mobi/airports/KSFO/notams.html
!SFO 07/039 SFO NAV ILS RWY 28R LLZ/DME OTS 0700-1500 DLY WEF 1307080700-1307121500Which means.....
!SFO 07/039 SFO Navigation Instrument Landing System Runway 28R LLZ/DME Out of Service 0700-1500 Daily Effective from 1307080700-1307121500 .
Given that a visual approach is fairly straightforward, particularly in clear conditions and even if the VASI / PAPI lights are out, it will be interesting to find out if there was some type of mechanical or instrument failure / malfunction that caused the pilot to come in low. Control surface problems? Engine issues?
There are reports that the plane was jerking around on final, but well before getting anywhere near the runway.
Once they fish the BBs out of the water, solid answers will come rather quickly.
There was a problem with the landing gear. The pilot noticed the problem and communicated it to the control tower on ground. Even told them to call up an ambulance in case of a casualty. Don't be so hasty to jump to conclusions.
Notice how you never hear anyone calling for affirmative action hiring of airline pilots.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_air_carriers_banned_in_the_Europea...
While I'm often disappointed when ZH partakes in the accident-o'-the-day, I'm more intrigued by the comments.
There seems to be more intensity and resolve and something-to-prove over the accidents than there is over a much simpler and more disastrous non-accident force that is dragging you down, and has been for decades.
And if you don't recognize what that force is, it will certainly get worse.
For those disparaging "Asian pilots," the Japanese fighter pilots in WWII were widely respected throughout the Pacific for their piloting skills. At the start of the war, with the aid of the Mitsubishi Zero, the Japanese routinely cut the Allied planes to ribbons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabur%C5%8D_Sakai
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetsuz%C5%8D_Iwamoto
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroyoshi_Nishizawa
As for Korean pilots, well now that's a different story.
And most, if not all of them, died. They had the advantage that their country had been preparing for war for several years while ours had not. Their superiority in performance and/or equipment lasted a very short amount of time with terminal results (pardon the pun). I wouldn't be inclined to attribute their initial success to their nation of origin, but rather to the advance planning of their military.
Good point. By your logic Nigerian and Rwandan air force pilots should perform on par with the USAF or RAF as long as they have sufficient "advance planning of their military."
Yeah but in the end Japan lost. Too bad.
It is too bad that Japan and Germany lost. The world would be a better place today.
FYI - the Zero was based on the FW-190 without armor plating to make it lighter. Yes I know the FW-190 came a few years later but the Germans/Nazi snuck the design to Japan long before Pearl Harbor.
As other mentioned, Korea Air and other Korean airlines have had problems in the past with communications between the flight crew and deference to the captain. This caused dangerous problems.
The supposed shuddering on the approach may be evidence that the captain may not be at fault. As bizarre as this may sound - I wonder if they ran the tanks dry.
If they'd run the tanks dry (itself an offence), that wouldn't explain reports that the pilot powered up and pulled the stick back seconds before he hit the tarmac/seawall.
It looks like the pilot may have switched to manual too late in the landing procedure and then realised he was short of the runway and attempted to correct it ...too late. This would explain the tail smashing down onto the beginning of the tarmac and breaking off.
The reported shuddering/wobbling may be explained by major changes in configuration by the pilot in control of landing when he switched to manual.
The big question is why they switched to manual when the B777 can easily land on auto at SFO.
Pre-planned airline pilot training? A decision by the captain?
See that?!?! Go to San Francisco, get it in the rear!!
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I guess all the FB & Twitterers had their #PrayForSanFrancisco prayers answered
https://www.facebook.com/sheryl/posts/10152997724435177
and as for the fate of the other 300 on board - oh, were there other people on the plane besides my friend David Eun (current Twitter hero of this event)? anyway I am just fine and will be talking to Mark on my return about this flying public shit and thanks again to all my adoring followers and fans.
PS if my assistant could please line up interviews with the financial media whores I will give them each 5 minutes next week upon approval of the other guests and specific time slot.
"Local NBC news is reporting that the plane appeared to power-up as it was landing short and its tail hit the seawall."
In other words, when the Korean pilot saw that his landing was in trouble he opted to get his own ass as high as possible above the damage and to hell with the people in the back of the plane. Those are the cheap seats anyway. "If I can save the first class section nothing else matters."
Wow - NSA must have a fully staffed troll division working on incidents like this. Every 10th posting is sooooo obvious. Amazing. Do you assholes really think you are not obvious? Wrong! Isn't there anyone in NSA top management who can put together a troll program that doesn't give itself away within the first few words of a posting? Are you all really so incompetent? Its actually pretty scary, if you think about the legitimate threats to the security of the US and the managers of the fools who troll this site and others like it are in charge of doing something to reduce the threat potential. Jesus. Just go away until you can do a credible job.
Interesting.
I tend to think they are not paid USGOV trolls, but just unemployed asshole trolls who have nothing better to do with their time.
But I understand where you are coming from.
That is the objective though - make everyone distrusful of your neighbour, people commenting on your posts, etc.,
Turned on CNN briefly to see what was happening. Talk about disaster porn. I'm convinced Wolf Blitzer was disappointed when the number "unaccounted for" dropped from 60 something to one. Disgusting.
Planes kill people.
Ban and tax them.
Nonstop coverage of a tragic event. And it most certainly is.
If the MSM spent even half the effort covering that other tragic event of the coup of the monetary system in 1913 that's still on going and crushing the people's livelihood...only if.
It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.
Henry Ford
Any truth to the rumor that the left turn signal was blinking the entire flight across the Pacific?
It will be forgotten by our beloved corp msm in two days.
Bush's fault!
That nigga did that. Racist motherfucker.
Damn straight. That pilot had a perfect SAT score. It was the stupid Americans working for minimum wage at the Boeing factory in China because they did not have perfect SAT scores' fault.
always in cases like these assume sabotage by the cia....first ask who was on the flight....did the cia / bush crime syndicate want him dead? the cia and bush crime syndicate have killed so many people in plane accidents one could fill a fleet of planes.....e howard hunt's wife, paul wellstone, and john kennedy jr are just a few who come to mind....
I've flown with elitist libtards like JFK jr. They end up exceeding their ability and kill a perfectly good airplane, or they scare the shit out of themselves and never fly again.
Pretending to know shit, and copying others' answers might work in politics, and government jobs but in the cockpit it will get you, your crew and passengers, and a perfectly good plane, or helicopter killed.
Some of your other examples and many others have credibility. Like our sec of commerce under Cliton. Ron B
Sorry to be so cold-blooded, but I wish that CEO bitch form Facesuck had been on that plane. Oh, wait, then TPTB would most certainly have called this obvious pilot error situation a "terra-rist" attack on the "freedom and democracy" which the US "represents in a stable, sane and compassionate sense to the rest of the world". btw, as a bay area resident, I have flown in on that very run-way;one time in the "80's, but for a very competent pilot, we'd have ended up, right wing first, into the drink which precedes that sea-wall at the beginning (or end) of the run-way. I've known many pilots - my cousin happens to be one - who say that they HATE landing at SFO because the wind-shears which pilots can count on encountering during the final descent are wicked. On that flight in the 1980's, our right wing, which I was sitting directly over, tipped suddenly to the right, toward the ocean, we all screamed, but the pilot was a very experienced man who, thank god, worked directly out of SFO and had been in many similar landing situations at SFO. I've never seen anyone with reflexes as fast as his. We were very lucky; but now I always, except when travelling internationally, use OAK.
Might high temps have had something to do with it? Airplanes get less lift on hot air.