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15 Signs That The Quality Of Jobs In America Is Fading Fast

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Submitted by Michael Snyder of The Economic Collapse blog,

Trying to find a job in America today can be an incredibly frustrating experience.  Most of the jobs that are available seem to pay very little, and there is intense competition for just about any job that is open.  But it wasn't always like this.  When I was in high school, I was immediately hired when I applied for a job at McDonalds because they were so desperate for workers that they would hire just about anyone that could flip a burger.  But in this economic environment, a single nationwide hiring event conducted by McDonalds resulted in a million job applications, and only a small percentage of those applicants were actually hired.  Our economy simply does not produce enough jobs for everyone anymore, and the percentage of "good jobs" continues to decline.  That means that it is getting really hard to find a job that will enable you to support a family, and a lot of people end up doing jobs that they are massively overqualified for.  But when times are tough, people are going to do what they have to do in order to survive.

One thing that we have seen in recent years is an explosion in the number of "temp workers" in America.  Even some of the largest companies in America are using them.  They like the flexibility of being able to bring in workers when they need them and of being able to dump them the moment they don't need them anymore.  Sadly, those that work in the "temp industry" often work in deplorable conditions for very little pay.  The following is a brief excerpt from an absolutely outstanding Pro Publica article...

In cities all across the country, workers stand on street corners, line up in alleys or wait in a neon-lit beauty salon for rickety vans to whisk them off to warehouses miles away. Some vans are so packed that to get to work, people must squat on milk crates, sit on the laps of passengers they do not know or sometimes lie on the floor, the other workers’ feet on top of them.


This is not Mexico. It is not Guatemala or Honduras. This is Chicago, New Jersey, Boston.

The people here are not day laborers looking for an odd job from a passing contractor. They are regular employees of temp agencies working in the supply chain of many of America’s largest companies – Walmart, Macy’s, Nike, Frito-Lay. They make our frozen pizzas, sort the recycling from our trash, cut our vegetables and clean our imported fish. They unload clothing and toys made overseas and pack them to fill our store shelves. They are as important to the global economy as shipping containers and Asian garment workers.


Many get by on minimum wage, renting rooms in rundown houses, eating dinners of beans and potatoes, and surviving on food banks and taxpayer-funded health care. They almost never get benefits and have little opportunity for advancement.

But these are the types of jobs the U.S. economy is "creating" these days.  Low paying part-time jobs are continually becoming a bigger part of the economy.  This is one of the primary reasons why the middle class in America is shrinking.

You can't support a family on what most of these part-time jobs pay.  But our economy is not producing many high quality full-time jobs these days.  The average quality of American jobs just continues to sink.

The following are 15 signs that the quality of jobs in America is going downhill really fast...

#1 The number of part-time workers in the United States has just hit a brand new all-time high, but the number of full-time workers is still nearly 6 million below the old record that was set back in 2007.

#2 In America today, only 47 percent of adults have a full-time job.

#3 Even though the U.S. economy created nearly 200,000 jobs in June, the number of full-time jobs actually decreased.

#4 There are now 2.7 million temp workers in the United States - a new all-time high.

#5 One out of every ten jobs in the United States is now filled through a temp agency.

#6 The U.S. economy has actually lost manufacturing jobs for four consecutive months.

#7 The official unemployment rate has been at 7.5 percent or higher for 54 months in a row.  That is the longest stretch in U.S. history.

#8 According to one recent survey, 76 percent of all Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.

#9 At this point, one out of every four American workers has a job that pays $10 an hour or less.

#10 High paying manufacturing jobs continue to be shipped overseas.  Sadly, there are fewer Americans employed in manufacturing now than there was in 1950 even though the population of the country has more than doubled since then.

#11 Today, the United States actually has a higher percentage of workers doing low wage work than any other major industrialized nation does.

#12 The U.S. economy continues to trade good paying jobs for low paying jobs.  60 percent of the jobs lost during the last recession were mid-wage jobs, but 58 percent of the jobs created since then have been low wage jobs.

#13 Back in 1980, less than 30% of all jobs in the United States were low income jobs.  Today, more than 40% of all jobs in the United States are low income jobs.

#14 At this point, an astounding 53 percent of all American workers make less than $30,000 a year.

#15 According to a study that was released by the Center for Economic and Policy Research, only 24.6 percent of all jobs in the United States qualify as "good jobs" at this point.  In a previous article, I detailed the three criteria that they used to define what a "good job" is….

#1 The job must pay at least $18.50 an hour.  According to the authors, that is the equivalent of the median hourly pay for American workers back in 1979 after you adjust for inflation.

#2 The job must provide access to employer-sponsored health insurance, and the employer must pay at least some portion of the cost of that insurance.

#3 The job must provide access to an employer-sponsored retirement plan.

All of this is absolutely heartbreaking.

Once upon a time, just about any adult that was willing to work hard in America could go out and find a good paying job that would support a middle class lifestyle.

Now those days are gone forever.

But different conditions exist in different parts of the country.

What are you seeing in your area?

Are good jobs difficult to find?


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Sun, 07/07/2013 - 12:52 | 3728217 Smegley Wanxalot
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Today when they ask if you can "flip a burger" they are talking about jobs in prostitution.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:48 | 3728311 Headbanger
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650,000 defense workers start furloughs Monday and no Blue Angles flying around either

And what can we expect this to do to CONsumer CONfidence?


Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:15 | 3728399 max2205
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Its a depression. ..what do you'll get better when we exit this downturn

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:54 | 3728513 BigJim
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 In a previous article, I detailed the three criteria that they used to define what a "good job" is….

    #1 The job must pay at least $18.50 an hour.  According to the authors, that is the equivalent of the median hourly pay for American workers back in 1979 after you adjust for inflation.

The median huh? So, 50% of all American workers will never have - by definition, can't have - a 'good' job.

    #2 The job must provide access to employer-sponsored health insurance, and the employer must pay at least some portion of the cost of that insurance.

    #3 The job must provide access to an employer-sponsored retirement plan.

it's the state's various incentives/regulations regarding employer provision of insurance and pensions that are distorting those industries in the first place (as well as the rest of the economy).

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 15:32 | 3728617 GetZeeGold
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With Obamacare and amnesty we will NEVER exit this downturn

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 22:01 | 3729558 saunhi
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There were articles in the media two years ago that described how our  corporate "leaders" were taking the massive govt stimulus to grow business offshore, instead of helping U.S. citizens.

Numerous corporate campuses now exist in Hyderabad, Bangalore, etc.

They are attempting to say that MIT, Notre Dame, Berkley, Carnegie, Penn, Pitt, Michigan, Cal, Texas, Florida, Georgia Techs and secondaries are not creating enough technologists [with no citizen rights] to meet demand.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 15:09 | 3728556 Never One Roach
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The 11.7 million Americans still unemployed are finding their wallets getting even lighter as the sequester federal spending cuts kick in.

While the mandated decreases have been slow to trickle into the real economy, the unemployed are feeling perhaps the first big jolt.

As of July 1, the average weekly benefit of $289 will fall by $43 a week, adding pressure at a time when the labor market is trying to find its bearings but has yet to generate the kind of employment that would indicate a strong recovery.


Watch SSDI claims rise. BTW, I think I twisted my neck reading ZH this morning...extremely painful and emotionally entire family is distraught as a result....[and so on]

Where's that SSDI office, again?

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 15:25 | 3728597 Headbanger
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Yeah, no shit it's a depression professor. Now don't hold your breath waiting to exit this downturn...

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 15:34 | 3728628 sgt_doom
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max2205, the dismantling of the American economy, i.e., going from a productive and consumer-based economy to a fantasy finance-based economy (Ponzi schemes to the max) isn't a downturn, dood, it's called the Great Deleveraging, which evidently you can't comprehend!

Basing everything upon selling debt (which is what this credit derivatives/securitizations/credit default swaps is all about) isn't a true economic system, simply a scam that the super-rich use to make themselves even richer, while transforming the real creators of this society into serfs!

Many of us have been protesting the offshoring of American jobs (and as Paul Craig Roberts says, with every job offshored, so goes a piece of the GDP), since the late 1970s, and jobs offshoring in the USA hit critical mass in 1999, when American became a net tech services importer!

Offshoring jobs, bringining in foreign visa scab workers, creating new categories of foreign visa worker definitions, while increasing existing quotas, through the so-called immigration bill (which also contains that national biometric database which has been filled with that information culled from those TSA invasive full-scan devices), and previous "free trade agrements" with the death knell being the latest so-called free trade agreement, the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP).

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:19 | 3728407 Jack Burton
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I don't know the figures, but just imagine for a moment if you looked at America's economy minus direct military spending. It is known that the USA spends around $1,000,000,000 a year on Military and Security, plus veterans costs.

So imagine the US civilian economy and it's jobs creation record. Imagine it without all the highpaying jobs in the Military/Security Industrial complex. All paid for by taxes or borrowed money. If we strip out that Government sector, and looked at America's productive civilian economy, the economy that "pays taxes", not lives off of taxes, WHAT would it look like?

I believe it would highlight the fact that the US economy is already collapsed and that is that!  Most good paying jobs in America, out side of health care and law, are from direct US military spending. I wonder about the hundreds of thousands of Americans who live the good life, with top pay and benefits and all they do is spy on us taxpayers! CIA, NSA, FBI, DEA, ICE etc. etc. All earn high pay, get top of the line benefits and retire early. Strip them out of the averages, and America is a corpse of an economy. Dead!

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:56 | 3728519 BigJim
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$1,000,000,000? Dude, you need another cluster of zeros. I doubt $1B covers the cost of military base air conditioning in Afghanistan.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 15:03 | 3728545 bonin006
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Right BJ - 3 zeros missing.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 18:07 | 3729020 Bollixed
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Just goes to show you how truely obscene those numbers really are when you write a big long string of zeros and it's still off by a factor of 1,000...

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 15:36 | 3728631 sgt_doom
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That "defense spending" curve upwards, when graphed, exactly correlates to the national debt, also when graphed.

No mystery there. . . .

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 17:56 | 3728995 Binko
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The US economy is definately collapsed. MOST, by far, of the good paying jobs are Government. I live in a mid-sized Northern Califorian city that is the County seat. Lots of poor struggling people around here. But when you meet somebody who is doing well the chances are excellent that at least one member of the family works for the city, county, state or Feds. 

Sure, we spend better than a trillion a year on the military. But our system now is so dysfunctional, with all the leeching dysfunctional pieces so tightly bound together and so supportive of each other, that reform is essentially impossible. It's depressing as hell, but I now believe that things will only get worse in this country until it finally busts apart and the individual states or coalitions of states will be freed to do things differently. 

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 18:03 | 3729004 highwaytoserfdom
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HEALTH CARE  the Blues like GSE's have been "quasi public" since FDR's time.   We have made it the most expensive health care in the world... by far.... Cuba has better health care in most measurable instances.  "Doctors in Cuba can make more driving cabs and working in hotels, but they don't. They're just very dedicated" Cuba also supplies many many doctors to South America and also has European health tourist.    Go visit an emergency room  and talk to the doctors in the US  1099 employment, insurance  education and foreign trained doctors..  and more importantly doctors are allowed to be doctors without massive insurance/regulation/overhead...  Unworkable regulations..   Education has slipped to 26 or 27th of industrial countries...  Heck health care community affairs disbarred  attorney (??) made higher wages than POTUS.  I have great respect for doctors, but am very angry about the public health food system..  GMO massive  antibiotics and the whole welfare state of non-profits and GSE style goody two shoes and "health care middlemen sinecurist"..   Wait until you see what the Fed's are doing with state regulated reserves  with the public insurance companies......     Sick Sick Sick....  Go to a supermarket, Baby formula locked in the front while 2 isles of pet food...      

Health care does not concern the 1% they have no interest in anything except world lowest labor, or agencies technical equipment sales and overuse... 

THIS IS WHAT MAKES US SAFER...   NOT!   Snowden makes us safer....   The day Sunday after the Boston mess you had  NSA Fienstien and Rogers (RNC/DNC) on MSM with multiple military offense drone sales commercials and this Congressman that won by 111 votes and this Senator had 10's of billions in security contracts...  Look no father than the mirror we keep electing them...    Now secret courts..



Mon, 07/08/2013 - 00:31 | 3729910 felipagil
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Exactly my sentiments. They have put into place substitutions to mask reality. Note that all of these sustituted sectors could be shut off like a switch. One that the govt has exclusive control over.


Then what.....check mate.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:18 | 3728408 Gordon Freeman
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I would be happy to find American "workers" to take care of the many low-level tasks I can put them to work doing, just in my own affairs ($20/hr).  By far the biggest problem is finding them, as they are simply not interested--low level work is "beneath" them.

There is an epidemic of narcissism and personality disorders in America today, and a huge number of young, able-bodied Americans today consider themselves the "star" of their own private fantasy life, and just can't make peace with the fact that the vast majority of them wil not, in fact, wind up running the show. Therefore, they're not interested.

The welfare state loves this, and is happy to keep them on the payroll.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:29 | 3728426 Dingleberry
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Gordon is correct. I've heard numerous stories around here of farmers paying 10-20 bucks an hour for kids to help bail hay. No takers. Too hard.

I've heard of many companies like trucking offering to even pay for training up front. My brother did it, but many in his class quit.

Most applicants cannot pee clean (i.e. drug-free).

I had my first job when I turned 15. I WANTED to work and pay my own way. Kids today do not. At all. They vote for Obama or whoever promises the most for the least.

Hope n' change, bitchez.

There is no shortage of jobs.  Anywhere. If you want work, you'll find it.

Let them suck it. And stay in mom's basement until they are 40, mom dies and then they can move upstairs.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 15:02 | 3728542 BeagleOne
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Get rid of the prison-industrial complex where low level drug use gives the state slave labor.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 16:22 | 3728743 NidStyles
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I don't think private companies having drug free standards are caused by the prison system.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 22:19 | 3729600 Almost Solvent
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That's some deadpan snark. So deadpan most would miss it. Much better than the majority of snarky comments on this board.


Sun, 07/07/2013 - 17:38 | 3728950 Miffed Microbio...
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When I was 16 I was desparate for a summer job and my boyfriends family begrudgingly agreed I could help during haying season. My jobs was to drag 8 bales in a stack so the squeeze could grab it and load them on the flat bed. The boys had a good laugh at the city girl trying to do that. By the third day I was burnt to crisp, every muscle in my body was on fire and the blood from the blisters was soaking through the cloths I wrapped around my hands. That was the hardest work I ever did in my life and will never forget every second of agony I went through. The farmer's wife took pity on me at the end of the week. She figured I would have quit after the first day. She offered for me to work in the milking parlor instead. She showed me how to get the cows into the holding pen,open the chute so each cow goes into its stanchion and how to put the milkers on. This was heaven! They designed it so the cows feet were at chest level. No bending over! I could do this! Whamm. I finally came to. I was lying on the cement floor and the farmers wife was gazing down at me. " That was cow number 14, she kicks."I was trying to breath, staring at the red bruise starting to form on my breastbone as she pointed to a chalk board filled with numbers. " Forgot to tell you about the kickers. Don't suppose you'll forget #14 any time soon. Well I'll be feeding the calves and be back in a few hours to see how you're doing"


Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:31 | 3728440 Jack Burton
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Gordon, When America began to send all it's kids to college and run all high schools as prep-schools for college, we created a class of kids, who from age 5, are taught that they are entitled to be information workers, to be immune from labor. Parents instill this in their kids, naturally, but schools do too. An average American kid has been told a million times, before they hit the job market, that they are smart, intelligent, gifted, one of a kind, that they are educated and thus will always have the knowledge economy jobs, or work in entertainment. How many kids are sure that they will be band members, singers, sports stars, movie stars, etc. etc. If that fails them, then they can fall back on ALL being computer geniuses because they can use an I-Pad. Imagine the employeers seeking out these highly educated kids who can work an i-phone, and i-pad or read using kindle.

Kids with the wrong attitudes and the wrong educations and strong beliefs in their unique talents. These kids make piss poor workers. How many even consider a technical education? All my college friends looked down on me because I had my military training and a solid technical education afterwards. THEY were smart, educated, gifted and elite.


Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:46 | 3728471 RockyRacoon
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From  Carcopino's "Daily Life In Ancient Rome":

Outside the city [Rome], the middle classes still found it worth while to believe
in the value of work, but inside Rome they had lost all con-
fidence in it.

Let us reread the charming epigram where the "parasite" poet
has graven what I should like to call the "Plantin sonnet" of
Latin literature, which assuredly served Plantin as a model :

The things that make life happier, most genial Martial, are these:
means not acquired by labour but bequeathed; fields not unkindly, an
ever-blazing hearth; no lawsuit, the toga seldom worn, a quiet mind;
a free man's strength, a healthy body; frankness with tact, congenial
friends, good-natured guests, a board plainly spread; nights not spent
in wine but freed from cares, a wife not prudish yet pure; sleep such
as makes the darkness brief: be content with what you are and wish no
change; nor dread your last day nor long for it.

This poem voices no cry of happiness; it utters a sigh in which
resignation blends with content. It formulates no aspiration to-
ward the unattainable. It places happiness in the negation of
work, whose vanity it implies. The clouds of reality cast their
shadow over this dreary ideal which breathes the fatigue of an
aging world. Society, at least in Rome, was beginning to become
fossilised. The hierarchy, still fluid in the centre, was growing
petrified toward the summit. The regular inflow which should
have continuously renewed it gave way too often before acci-
dental pressure and unexpected shocks. Slowed down and diverted
from their course, the equalitarian currents tended to exaggerate
essential inequalities. The democratic order tottered with the
wavering of the middle classes, who had been its firm founda-
tion; it was crushed under the double weight of the masses,
from whom a crazed economic system had stolen all hope of
normal betterment, and of a corrupt bureaucracy which aggra-
vated the absolutism of the monarch whose fabulous wealth it
commanded and translated into acts of arbitrary omnipotence.
Thus the brilliance of the Urbs of the second century was al-
ready shrouded in the shadows which under the later empire
spread from Rome over the rest of the known world, and Rome
lacked the courage to shake herself free of the sinister gloom
that thickened round her. To struggle with success against the
'evils of their day, societies have need to believe in their own
future. But Roman socety, cheated of its hopes of gradual and
'equitable progress, obsessed alternately by its own stagnation
and by its instability, began to doubt itself just at the time when
the conscious unity f its established families was cracked and

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 05:30 | 3730144 Dr. Sandi
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I blame Bush for that.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 15:29 | 3728614 Landrew
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You mean the ONE person you know! You are worthless and clueless if you are one of the 1%.I would excuse you if you are a child and hasn't lived a life among working people. I know many people with meaningful degrees looking for almost a living wage. 

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 15:41 | 3728641 sgt_doom
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I keep hearing this same tired, tedious bullcrap ALL my life, and I'm a combat vet dating back to Vietnam, etc., and while these US Chamber of Commerce (USCoC) and Business Roundtable talking points sound nifty, they never pass the stink test!

Plenty of Americans are doing day labor today, while Mexicans walk off the job as being too cold, or too dusty (and that's not meant as a criticism of our Hispanic brothers, simply putting things in real perspective).

It was Reagan who issued Executive Order #12615, to establish that Office of Privatization within the OMB to privatize as much of the US gov't as possible, when what was need was more innovative small businesses and individual entrepreneurs, etc.

It was the so-called faux crats, led by Robert Rubin, who established the Hamilton Project within the Brookings Institution, to privatize everything!

The Bankster Party (made up of the R-con branch and faux crat branch) have screwed us all!

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 17:28 | 3728930 Umh
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Somehow the sarcasm went right over my head.

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 04:08 | 3730094 JamesBond
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it's obvious his meds have worn off

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 20:56 | 3729365 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Gordan, let me guess, you want them to work for 60 hours a week as you degrade them constantly? Increase the pay to what the job is worth. If you are that fucking cheap, you are no different that the slave drivers in China and I hope you go bankrupt fucker.

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 04:10 | 3730096 JamesBond
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/sarc off



there.  did it for you.

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 06:04 | 3730166 Henry Chinaski
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There is always demand for relialble able-bodied men of reasonable intellegence.  My teenage sons just picked up summer jobs working construction as laborers.  This is their first real employment experience outside the family.  They will learn more in a few weeks than in an entire year of college.  Working construction in Florida in the summer makes a man out of you.  One just spent a day running wire through conduit in the crawlspace.  Friday they were taking off a roof covering in the July sun.  They have friends who work as servers, grocery baggers, etc, and many more friends who have no job at all.  It's tough when inexeperienced youth have to compete with underemployed family people and seniors for jobs, but there is no expereience like work experience when you are young. It is sad to see a generation of unemployed becoming unemployable.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:19 | 3728409 CheapBastard
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The suburbs of DC (ya know, Virginia, Maryland, etc) might feel a little pinch from this, yes?

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 12:53 | 3728220 Curt W
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The BLS has redefined the word "JOB" to include having a garage sale, selling something on Craigslist, or "I am currently working at finding a job"

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:17 | 3728250 imapopulistnow
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These are fundamental changes in society that are threatening our free market economy and traditional values.   As such, there needs to be a reasonable dialog about this at the national level.  Wages are getting to the point where the incentive to work does not exist for many. 

Not saying i know what the solution is, perhaps some reasonable adjustments  to minimum wage levels, perhaps exemption of first $5,000 - $10,000 in income from FICA, perhaps some adjustments to free trade provisions or corporate/business tax rates to encourage more job creation in the USA, perhaps all of the above.

But what we do not need, IMO, are the strident policy positions of the extreme left and right that do greater harm than good to those in the working class

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:23 | 3728367 Divine Wind
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Solutions with IMMEDIATE impact:


1. Dissolve the IRS and move to a CONSUMPTION-based tax system.

2. Dramatically reduce business taxes.

3. Drop ObamaCare completely and instead allow open and free interstate price competition by insurance providers.

4. Immediately implement a cutoff for Social Security. "For 40 and below, you better start saving for retirement."

5. Immediately call for personal interviews with all disability recipients requiring NEW medical validations of condition.

6. Regular drug tests for ALL social assistance and unemployment recipients.

7. Limit unemployment insurance to 4 months. Tough shit if you can not find your ideal job.

8. Levy heavy tariffs on U.S. companies manufacturing offshore then selling those products in the domestic market.

9. Allow illiquid banks to fail.

10. Allow broke-ass businesses to fail.

11. Allow broke municipalities to fail.

12. Cut back on the wars.

13. Eliminate the Department of Education and leave it up to the individual States.




Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:41 | 3728472 Jack Burton
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Number 8 would explode into a world wide global trade war. The globalized economy is now too big to fail, or change. Thus number 8 would never be allowed to happen.

Numbers 9-13 are all good. They would simply restore a free market approach to business. and stop the use of the American military as enforcers for US corporate interests. The problem with the 2008 collapse was that failed business models were rewarded instead of allowed to fail, thus performing the most imporatant task of a free market "Weed out the failures".

Number 6 is too close to a police state for my tastes.

Number 1 is the most important issue in America. the US tax system must be eliminated and a new system set up. The entire tax code must be burnt and a simple "everyone pays" tax code replacing it. I believe a proper income tax code could meet all income needs. No need for complicated and expensive taxes like consumption. Simply tax incomes, all incomes. Make it so that work pays, and no write off or tax havens. All pay, that would solve much of the proble right there.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:44 | 3728484 Divine Wind
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Great insights, Jack.


Sun, 07/07/2013 - 16:38 | 3728800 Vendetta
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I'm all for a world wide global trade war .... we've been losing that war for 40 years now. 

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 15:03 | 3728499 OneTinSoldier66
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I know there's not many around like me, but...


1. Dissolve the notion in your head that a Government and Politicians are "needed".


The free market provides us with all the things that make our lives better. When the Government is not there then the free market is "allowed" to take care of the issues you list above. It's the only thing that can "allow" the things you are wishing for. The free market is the equalizer in society. It is what keeps some people(a small cabal?) from being "more equal" in natural rights than others(you), just because they're "richer than you". The issues will not be addressed until you get rid of the "need for Government" notion which is what caused all the issues you list in the first place. There is no "need for Government". "No Government" does not mean there would be "no rules". There will always be hierarchies and rules, which is where governance comes from. The difference is where those rules come from. Government is the iron fist of central planning no matter what kind of velvet glove you try and wrap it in, and I do not believe that you get representation at a voting booth, just more central planning. It's things like "The Constitution" that give birth to things like, Socialist InSecurity, Military Industrial Complex, out of control money printing Federal Reserve, Drug Wars, etc, etc. I mean, enough is enough already!


A Republic, if you can keep it. -Ben Franklin


What? What do you mean "if"? The guy recognized there was a problem right then and there!

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:55 | 3728517 logicalman
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1. Agreed - income tax is just flatout theft and a consumption tax is paid by those who choose to consume.

2. Partially - reduce 'em by all means, but only after closing all loopholes

3. Go with a more European health care system - The US pays the most for the worst system, which leaves lots of room for improvement.

4. A cut-off won't help when the majority are already living paycheue to paycheque, but back to #1 with income tax gone, disposable income could be used for this.

5. A bit draconian and open to massive abuse.

6. Regular drug tests for all Congresscritters, Bankers and members of the House and don't forget the Pres and Vice Pres.

7. I'd make it 6 months, but that's splitting hairs.

8, 9, 10, 11, 12 Agreed

13. 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12 would mean that education could be properly funded and truly be education and not indoctrination.

All that's really needed is an end to fractional reserve banking and interest plus REAL money.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 15:30 | 3728616 rejected
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#4. Immediately implement a cutoff for Social Security. "For 40 and below, you better start saving for retirement."


At ZIRP rates a person at $18.50 would have to have another job at the same wage to "save" enough for 20-25 years of retirement.

The St Louis Federal Reserve Inflation Calculater come up with a 1979 wage of $5.77. That's like about 100% devaluation every 10 years.

Go into stocks?   ROFLMAO

Now where's a skilled ipod user going to get two of these fine paying jobs.... Oh! excuse please. Three of these jobs. One to pay OCare.



Sun, 07/07/2013 - 18:08 | 3729021 Binko
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If you are going to drop Obamacare completely, why not drop Medicare and all other forms of Government sponsered medical care? And remove the tax deduction for employer provided care. If you are going to dump a large percentage of the public into the cold water of the private insurance market, why not dump everybody? 

Maybe if we go back to the days of people provide for their own medical care, or their family provides, or private charity provides or they die, maybe then something will change when it comes to the insanely bloated cost of medical care. 

Our current system where per capita medical costs of $6000 to $8000 are gradually shifted to the goverment is certainly not sustainable even in the short term. Given current trends, in a few years by which Government would be covering the costs of virtually everybody in one way or the other the total price tag will approach 3 trillion a year. 

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 22:27 | 3729622 Almost Solvent
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Agreed, but that comes right after the last foreign military base is shut down and the last soldier and ship abroad return home, cutting the war budget at least 75%

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:22 | 3728414 kchrisc
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"Not saying i know what the solution is, perhaps some reasonable adjustments  to minimum wage levels, perhaps exemption of first $5,000..."

How about an exemption from the thieves and murderers of government all together.

Let's be clear: Those of government are the problem and criminal as well.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 15:29 | 3728606 philipdybel
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The BLS for once actually makes sense:  1) You can list "Home Retail Sales Associate" on your resume;  2) They say, "Looking for a job is in itself a full time job".

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 12:57 | 3728227 Divine Wind
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As long as the "Free Shit Army" is comfortable, this will not change.

The same trash will be constantly reelected to office.


"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."

-Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:10 | 3728241 FreedomGuy
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You know, you read the thoughts and predictions of the founders and it is nothing short of true genius and prophetic accuracy. The older I get and more I read I realize that America's founding was a once in a millenium event. It absolutely could not happen today with the twits we have in office.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:15 | 3728247 10mm
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There in office because of the twits who keep putting them in and allowing the downfall to occur. Divided we stand,divided we fall.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 15:17 | 3728584 FreedomGuy
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Your comment is spot on. There are two theories of government:

1. We do not get the government we deserve.

2. We get the government we deserve.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:47 | 3728323 TWSceptic
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Not only could it never happen, someone like Obama would more likely have become a fascist dictator if he got the chance. Oh wait...

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:52 | 3728332 css1971
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It's a misattributed or apocryphal quotation.

The closest equivalents (nobody used those exact words) are attributed to: Alexis de Tocqueville or Alexander Fraser Tytler, not the founders of America.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:31 | 3728287 CPL
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Yup, like playing a video game on "godmode".  Where there is no challenge met there is no improvment.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 12:58 | 3728228 involuntarilybirthed
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And we are a consumer based economy?  

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:27 | 3728272 Creepy Lurker
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Yeah, exactly. 70% of all economic activity in this country is consumption based. I wonder what these geniuses plan is when no one can afford to consume anything?

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 05:35 | 3730148 Dr. Sandi
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They will sit back and encourage us to consume each other.

By then the dollar will have been replaced by the quatloo.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:30 | 3728278 FreedomGuy
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No. No! NO! We are not a consumer economy. We are now a government based economy and the sooner you realize that the sooner everything will begin to make sense. Government either owns (about 25%) the GDP directly or controls the majority of the economy. The collectivist government of the USSA has learned two ways to own an economy. The first is the most honest and is the old way. It is the government simply takes over an industry like Mexico and oil. In America, the government owns health care over 65, retirement accounts in the form of Social Security, lower education and many other things directly. Note how all these things are doing, too. The second way is the most insidious but clever way. Government can own an industry or profession through rules. Government has an unlimited ability to write rules that violate every other Amendment in the Constitution. ObamaCare is the best and most recent example. It sets an infinitely large body on rules of how most every part of healthcare will relate to other parts including how much your insurer must spend on healthcare as a percentage of revenues. It lays extra taxes, mandates and even the minute administrative details of how a medical office must run. It has no requirement to even know if they system will work. What government knows it learned from the private sector. BTW, if it fails it will be blamed on whatever freedom remains in that sector and used as an excuse for more control.

So, government owns or controls the whole economy through direct ownership or control. Add monetary policy through Ben Bernanke and it is relatively complete. If you believe in the selfless genius of government planners then this is excellent news for you. If you know as I do that an economy is infinitely complex and by definition cannot be run by an one man or number of committees then you are angry and depressed (as am I) and waiting for the natural conclusion of these false government theories.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:33 | 3728294 CPL
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Bingo.  Private industry diappeared with Clinton in the USA.  Literally everyone you meet in the US is on the government tit directly or indirectly.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 15:50 | 3728561 RockyRacoon
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I'm ambivalent about Charlie Rose lately, but he has had some interesting guests.  Here is one that deserves a re-visit:

Sir James Michael "Jimmy" Goldsmith (26 February 1933 18 July 1997) was an Anglo-French financier. Towards the end of his life, he became a magazine publisher and a politician. In 1994, he was elected to represent France as a Member of the European Parliament and he subsequently founded the short-lived eurosceptic Referendum Party in Britain.
In this interview, Sir Goldsmith discusses the ramifications of free-trade agreements that were about to take place in 1994 (GATT), as you can retrospectively see, he correctly predicted many of the things that happened after that.

6 parts for some reason.... each is about 10 minutes

"The poor in the rich countries will be subsidizing the rich in the poor countries."

It worked out just that way!

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 17:29 | 3728933 Bear
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Great interview (thanks RR):

1994 ... "The Global Financial System is very fragile and dangerous ... the global GDP is about 30 trillion and the derivatives build upon this are 90 trillion"


Ah, the good old days

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 16:42 | 3728809 Vendetta
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consumer electronics manufacturing left the US in the 70's after we went off the gold standard .. just saying

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 11:49 | 3730882 FreedomGuy
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CPL, I forgot to ask you why you say private industry disappeared specifically with Clinton? I see it as a gradual process through the growth of the regulatory state. Was there a specific law or Supreme Court ruling that makes you say that?

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:43 | 3728478 shermacman
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There are two parts to the definition of Fascism. One is: "centralized control of private enterprise". We have that. FreedomGuy is absolutely right in his post. The second involves some sort of belligerent racial or nationalistic sense of superiority. I think that the narcissism and arrogance of today's Liberal covers the second part of the definition pretty well.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 12:59 | 3728229 10mm
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The few people i know 50 and over and layed off are fucked. Unlike Gold,they are considered as true relics.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:33 | 3728295 FreedomGuy
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I just talked to two friends who are getting laid off because the doctor is retiring before the last intolerable phases of Obamacare kick in. They are in their later years and are screwed. There are jobs and as this article points out they are all part time and basically starting wages. It is the same everywhere.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 16:58 | 3728847 Lost Word
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I wonder why the unemployment rate seems relatively good for people age 55 +

I can only guess that a very large percentage of people 55 + have given up hope of finding a job, and have quit actively looking for a job, from a government perspective, and thus are not counted among the unemployed of that age group.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 18:44 | 3729101 FreedomGuy
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Actually, Lost Word, you bring up a good point that the basic stats cannot interpret. My observation is that many in the 50+ crowd can take pay cuts that younger workers cannot. It takes too long to retrain yourself for a new career at age 57 when retirement is around the corner. If you kids are grown and gone your expenses are fixed and maybe lower. It is better to take a 225% or more pay cut and try to ride it to retirement, even if you have to cash out some savings.

Additionally, 55+ are most likely in management. They are the ones either adapting or screwing everyone else over including their own age group.

Last, as you guess some have enough savings to ride it and leave the labor force. They may retire or quit earlier by being poorer but it is better than being an old barista at Starbuck's.

The worst class is late working years depending on a company for a job. You will not get rehired at your old wage. You may not get hired at any wage as the employer believes you will resent lower wages. You are more costly to insure including your new preexisting health conditions. You can be replaced at half wage by someone half your age.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 18:46 | 3729106 FreedomGuy
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typo on the 225%

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:00 | 3728232 lordbyroniv
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Only way out is to create your own job and not be an expense on someone elses balance sheet.

Not saying its easy...


but spend 20k on a premium domain name and start your own business.


There ARE opportunities in the market.

I began registering domain names in 02 when I graduated because there were no jobs...


and now make my money on passive income.



And there are still opportunities in the domain space.



Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:06 | 3728238 AlaricBalth
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65% of Americans have less than $1000 in the bank. Raising $20k may be a little difficult.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:52 | 3728331 TWSceptic
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Then put pressure on the fed to print the $20k for them so they can start buying those domain names and support the economy! What are we waiting for?!


/krugman rant

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 16:13 | 3728719 ali-ali-al-qomfri
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AB+, the new meme is

'it takes a village to employ a adult'

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:07 | 3728239 Divine Wind
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Oh so true.

It does not even take a $20K domain.

A $5 domain from GoDaddy combined with a good idea will also do the trick.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 15:22 | 3728595 Andy Lewis
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Thanx for the tip, guy.  I'll get right on that.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 16:03 | 3728691 kaiserhoff
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I don't need advice from you little pecker heads hiding out in Mom's basement.

I've got six money trees in the back yard and a herd of unicorns shitting gold eagles.

But if that fails, my friend's sister's boyfriend's gay hair dresser has an inside deal with the Nigerian Finance Minister,

so there.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 17:08 | 3728882 Bear
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Are the unicorn's offspring for sale?

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:43 | 3728313 FreedomGuy
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You know, you are right in the main. Knowing what I know now...I would never ever work for a large company or corporation. If I was an unmotivate drone I would work for the government who now makes double the private wages and benefits.

Since that is not me, I would go into business for myself doing anything at all I thought I could make a living at. If I was a plumber I would learn and start my own business. If I was an accountant I would start an accounting firm and so on. Even though Western governments make it exceedingly painful I would start my own business and call the shots. Part of it has to do with the type of people who take over corporations after the entrepreneurs and inspirations start up leaders leave. Basically, they are pessimistic, hard working, no nonsense shits who are not as good as they think. That is why they go under over time. Anyone remember when GM was the largest company in the world? Want to guess

The other part is simply is simply based on freedom and the ability to adapt as well as depend on yourself. It also gives you a perverse sort of mobility. Imagine if I was actually an excellent plumber. If I decided I had enough of socialism in the West I probably could find a nice remote island or some small halfway free country and make a living. I could even make a living illegally in my own country if it got too oppressive.

However, most of us are dependent on others to make a living.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:31 | 3728449 CheapBastard
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Freedom Guy is correct. There are two youngsters in my area who just started their online businesses assoc with small physical stores. They are already scared sh*tless with Obamacare, increased postal rates, internet sales taxes, increased municipal taxes (to pay for increased school security, for example) and so on....


Headwinds are very strong these days for those small business people in the private sector. Plus, they have to pay their own health care costs and pension plan's very tough for them.

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 22:56 | 3733027 Kobe Beef
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I started a small business in another country. If you are young, leave the USSA. It is a metastasizing police state. Whatever can be looted, (small business) will be.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 18:42 | 3729095 gearbaby
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Escape to Ecuador ... NOW!

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:30 | 3728442 kchrisc
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While I agree with you, starting a business now, under these fascists and criminals called the US government, would be like starting a butcher shop within a Lion zoo enclosure.

It is time to Reject them, Revolt against them, Retribute the criminals to the guillotine and Restore the Constitutional republic--the Four Rs.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:00 | 3728233 francis_sawyer
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So... Is "working for the government" [NSA, FBI, MIC, CIA] considered a 'quality job'?...

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:14 | 3728246 Divine Wind
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Actually, yes.

Not everyone working for these departments and agencies are out to get you.

In fact, a vast majority of these people are deeply patriotic and just as pissed off.

And yes, many do make excellent salaries.

Take the time and get to know a few sometime.

Your perspective and appreciation of their work will increase dramatically.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:28 | 3728258 francis_sawyer
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"Take the time and get to know a few sometime."


You sound like kito "you just have to GET TO KNOW all these nice people" who:

- keep their mouths shut about 9/11 truth, or Sandy Hook, or Boston, or Benghazi...

- Would 'GET FIRED' from their job if they ever openly expressed support for Snowden...

- aren't interested in ENDING THE FED [because their illusory job & life would vanish in a heartbeat]

- probably believe in the two party system [& are dutiful voters]

- would, in the case of a revolution, would stand with the people on the side pointing guns AT ME...

- are PAID [quite nicely] to LOOK THE FUCKING OTHER WAY, on everything...


Useful idiots [for you & the government], It's not for me...


Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:28 | 3728275 10mm
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+1 Sawyer.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:26 | 3728314 francis_sawyer
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Yeah ~ I just can't wait to sit down with one of kito's friends or one of Divine Wind's friends & have a nice conversation about what a bad guy that evil Bin Laden was, all those terrible dudes with boxcutters, & how Obama is so great because he courageously sent in a Seal Team [who are all dead now] to kill him 10 years after he was dead... & how we need to remain constantly vigilant to NEVER let those kinds of people do harm to us again [you know ~ 'FOR THE KIDS']...

I'm sure I have a lot of nice things to learn from these smart & conscientious folks [who draw 6 figures a year, PAID IN 'BORROWED MONEY', PRINTED OUT OF THIN AIR, WITH 'INTEREST' PAID TO PRIVATE CHEESEPOPE FAMILIES WHO THEN SHUFFLE IT BACK TO their FRIENDS TO CONTROL ASSET PRICES], to live a lie...

You'll have to excuse kito for not replying here... Rumor has it, that in the interest of "YOU JUST HAVE TO SIT DOWN & GET TO KNOW THESE PEOPLE"... He's contacting his good friend Steven Spielberg...

He's saying... "Steve... bubby... Instead of your next movie being reason #911 about how evil the Nazis were & telling the next story about motherfucking space Nazi's from the Dark Side of the Moon#... Why don't you tell a nice story about how, in reality, probably 98% of the Nazis were loveable as teddy bears"... You just have to get to know them personally...


Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:23 | 3728418 JFKFC
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<----- Democrats
<----- Republicans

Anyone that votes up or down based on the choices I provided is a party line pussy. Fuck 'em both.


Yo Francis, I usually agree with you and +1 your often hilarious commentary. But man, it seems you might've grabbed one of Shinzo Abe's "can't hit the broad side of a barn" arrows.
I work for a state agency & I can vouch for middle management on down to my blue collar level, 75% of my coworkers are 0% what you describe them to be.

State & Muni workers are getting the same lubeless fist in the ass as private sector folks. Lay offs, wage cuts, benefit reductions, etc.
We're not all "company" "yes men" like you wish to believe. Fuck man, you should friend me on Facebook. I don't give a fuck if your red, blue, black or white- I've got no problem calling out any piece of shit political shyster.

No, we're not all freeloading, lazy, apathetic cocksuckers.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:52 | 3728475 francis_sawyer
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"Friend You on Facebook"... LOL ~ You just lost me there... I've never even been on facebook...


Write a letter to your upper management & tell them how shitty you think the chain of management is & how fucked up this country is... I'm sure it'll go over well...

[clever little thing you did there with the 'votes' ~ meaning: NOBODY will have the balls to junk you]... Maybe you're right, some people in gov't have prosciutto thin slices of brain... So with all due respect, the day you quit your job & don't ask for a pension you'll be my HERO...

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 15:52 | 3728629 10mm
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You work for a state agency? Is it law enforcement? How about spying,though i would think that is more federal lately. I believe the statement was refering to such enforcement departments. On the other hand,i do work in such,and out of 100,we 5 want nothing to do with "The Big Lie". All i got to do is walk out the door and get hammered with meaningless shit talk,sports,peoples vacations which i can care less,their recent purchase of shit,and whats in your life questions. They just as soon detain me on the spot,the 95 others if critical thinking and conversation was espoused. So i do the Carlin,grab a chair when i can and watch the whole thing fall apart.Cold beer of course.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 17:22 | 3728482 Dick Buttkiss
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Not everyone working for these departments and agencies are out to get you.

No, but their departments are, which amounts to the thing.

In fact, a vast majority of these people are deeply patriotic . . .

Because, in Thomas Paine's wise words, "The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government," patriots are not to be found in the latter, least of all when our erstwhile federative government has morphed into a welfare-warfare colossus the likes of which the world has never seen.





Sun, 07/07/2013 - 15:24 | 3728601 Andy Lewis
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Agent Mike, is that you?

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 16:00 | 3728686 kchrisc
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Just as patriotic as a Nazi--serving the state and enslaving, encamping and entrenching the rest of humanity?!

Patriotism is the disease of the state, the evidence of a criminal government. Patriotism only serves itself and patriots themselves at the expense of the people who are the country.

Diligence and compassion are the traits of a country of a free and thriving people not patriotism.

Please don't go off of your feelings and "ain't he nice for a thug" thoughts on such serious matters. Go and read, think and become informed.

Feelings are for who you want to win on DWTS not for serious thoughts on your sovereignty and freedom.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:28 | 3728273 Blano
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Of course it is, financially anyways, ethics aside.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:23 | 3728253 Judge Crater
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Yes, but America has more billionaires than any other country.  There has been a massive redistribution of wealth since Reagan got elected with the help of Ayatollah Khomeini.  A close election then that Carter would have won if the Ayatollah had not reneged on his agreement to release the American hostages, after Casey's Madrid meeting with envoys from Iran.  One of the first things Reagan did was to get the FDA to approve the artificial sweetener Nutrasweet (aspartame) for human consumption, even if that sweetener does cause brain cancer.  That a favor to Rumsfeld, then CEO of Nurasweet's maker, Monsanto.  Then, to combat unemployment, Reagan's bureaucrats ruled tha anyone who gave up looking for a job was not "unemployed" for purposes of computing the unemployment rate.  Finally, to prevent the spread of socialism in Latin American, Reagan's go to guys like Oliver North made deals with narxco drug lords, with the drug kingpins arranging for the trans-shipments of weapons to "freedom fighters" in return for landing rights at U.S. military air bases for planes loaded with narcotics, mostly cocaine, from south of the border.  For over thirty years, the United States has operated the same way as a Mafia crime family.  Along the way, the number of Americans in prison, about 500,000 in 1981, has gone up to over 2,500,000.  Those prisoners work at jobs in jail paying 10 or 15 cents an hour.  The Land of the Free, that once made stuff everyone wanted to buy, now only has jobs for jailers, eavesdroppers and lying politicians. 

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:51 | 3728329 francis_sawyer
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47% of American billionaires are jews... For how that got to be ~ read comments above... It's the 'THEIR friends' part...

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:30 | 3728430 francis_sawyer
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This shit is all over the internet... Their 'national pastime' seems to be bragging about how much money they have... [you know ~ from 'homeschooling' and all that shit... NOT from money printing, 'mafia style' nepotism, & usury]...

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 18:48 | 3729099 Divine Wind
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Poor Fwankie Sawyer, ever the Jew Hater.


Sure, Jews help their Jew friends. That is what friends do.

The totality of your posts over the months suggest your biggest gripe is that many Jews are successful and tend to keep it in the club.

Well tough shit you putz.

The part you clearly seem to miss is that when everyone else shits on the Jews, naturally they will form their own closed clique, help each other succeed and allow the others to piss and moan.

Try making friends sometime. Help them succeed and see how fast it returns to you.

It works.


Poor Fwankie Sawyer, ever the Jew Hater.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 19:28 | 3729189 bunnyswanson
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Helping friends?  Only their friends.  Friends in their exclusive club which requires a birth certificate verifying their mother's origin.  How special is that?  The rest of us become the victims of these opportunistic predators.  Expect resistance.  Unfairness will always be met with protests.  As history as shown over and over again...this will end badly.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:20 | 3728254 T-NUTZ
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Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:22 | 3728259 Boondocker
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I recently recruited for a new admin assistant ( no degree required, AA preferred).  79 applicants, 14 with BA/BS or higher.  None of the college grads had any common sense or real world skills.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:22 | 3728260 Dagny Taggart
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Mr. Snyder is definitely a list man. I envision little stickie notes all around his desk.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:40 | 3728308 escargot
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I don't disagree with Snyder, but Jesus I'm sick of his lists, too.  Actually, I'm sick of him in general.  His articles are all over the alt media, and I can usually spot them just by the title.  Like I say, I don't disagree with him, but dude gotta lighten up a bit.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:49 | 3728328 Dagny Taggart
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It seems that Mr. Snyder's articles are in the business of providing confirmation endorphins. How many ways can we watch the train wrecking?

What I would love to see are lists of solutions.... Ways to Withdraw From the System, How to Combat Indoctrination, Methods Used to Promote Self Sufficiency... that sort of tone. I would be glad to forward him a list of ideas lol.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:39 | 3728460 francis_sawyer
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Probably nobody [around here] ever even bothered to look into Michael T Snyder very much, but here's what a short search pops up... I've been wondering [FOR WEEKS NOW] why nobody has snapped a foto of Edward Snowden too... Oh well...


Snyder has created a new blog recently where he attempts to interpret the Bible called What The Bible Says About...

Considering his older signs of insanity claims to fame, this blog doesn't disappoint. It is filled with the same writing style and format, along with headers leading people to buy books by other fundamentalist cranks. Great topics include:

Christians can drink, but if they feel any effects of alcohol it's a sin.[11]

We are all lawbreakers of God's will. Including loving anything more then God at any time, done anything on the sabbath, not honored your mother/father completely, ever hated or anger towards anything/anyone, or lusted after a women (even thinking, including your own wife).[12]

He equates anyone who hasn't accepted the word of God like he has equivalent to rapists, murderers and child molesters.[13]

Snyder states divorce is only acceptable if there is adultery or if one's spouse is not Christian. This does not include abuse. He states it is "because God knows best".[14]

Snyder is against homosexuality, and all sex outside of marriage. He does state first and foremost one thing that stands him out from the pack of fundamentalists, in that people should still love gays like every other one of Gods creations.[15] So, y'know, at least there's that.


JUNK AWAY ~ After all... IT'S FREE to junk francis_sawyer for pointing out what's right in front of your faces...

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 18:45 | 3729102 Divine Wind
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When you post Wiki material as authoritative you bring it on yourself.

Poor Fwankie Sawyer, ever the putz.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 20:17 | 3729281 NidStyles
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Dude sounds loopy. Perhaps he should try tasting a shotgun...

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 16:16 | 3728731 kchrisc
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"What I would love to see are lists of solutions...."

Here it is:

The Four Rs
Rejection: Quit paying, quit obeying.
Revolution: Be prepared.
Retribution: Is there really any place for these sociopaths and criminals in a restored civil and Constitutional society?!
Restoration: Restore the Constitutional republic.


Fight and defend you and yours unalienable rights of Life, Liberty and Property.

If there needs to be blood, let it be the criminals' blood.


Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:24 | 3728270 W74
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Two things.  First we really need to reassess as a nation what is considered wealthy and what isn't.  Is it a dollar amount? Income?  Assets?  Why don't we factor in quality of life?  I drive a beat up Honda that was bought and paid for before driving off the lot, and I'm doing a lot better than someone who's paying $700/mo. for that Audi.  A big house?  How many people grosely overextended themselves and lost their homes and are now renting, but who if they had bought half the house and saved the difference in payments would still be living in them today?  Again, quality matters, not quantity.

Second we need to reassess priorities.  Is it REALLY important to have the latest iGadget, or pay for tix to a concert or NFL game when homes are on the line?  Surely this doesn't apply to many ZH'ers, but millions of other Americans are constantly living on the edge and then wonder how it all came to be when things go bad.  People need to reassess themselves.  If $300 pants and driving a souped up Escalade are important to you, then fine, but don't bitch if you're renting an apartment or wonder when you can't make ends meet if some things get taken away from you. 

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:04 | 3728369 Loose Caboose
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And we need to stop thinking that everything needs reno.  I see people tearing out perfectly good kitchens and bathrooms just to have that granite countertop or the latest flooring trend and they go deep into debt to do it.  The landfill is full of great kitchens and bathrooms.  Drives me nuts.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:44 | 3728483 Meremortal
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Why can't people be free to do what they want?

Live and let live used to work just fine.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:29 | 3728436 css1971
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Here's a universal measure of wealth for you.

"The rate of work that you can direct to any given task or need". Using the physics and physical definition of "work", we're talking Newton meters, also known as Joules. A Joule is a unit of energy. The more energy you can direct, faster, the wealthier you are.

A single human being can produce about 250 Watts on a sustained basis, that is 250 Joules per second. This is the maximum rate at which a human can do work on a sustained basis.

1 horse power, i.e. 1 horse is about 750 Watts and can do the work of about 3 people. Someone with a horse is obviously wealthier than someone relying on their own labour or even relying on the labour of another person.

A Caterpillar 450F can apply ~100kW to a task, so someone who can afford to apply one can do the work of around 400 humans or 130 horses and is obviously wealthier than someone who can only afford to apply their own labour or that of say a horse.

A Bugatti Veyron converts 880kW of fuel into energy for transport, it allows you to travel at up to 270mph. Someone who can afford to buy and run one of these is obviously wealthier than someone who can only afford to ride a Honda Cub 90 at 5kW.

But nevertheless, the Honda Cub owner is still wealthier than the man who has to rely on his horse, or on the labour of another man. He can do more things faster, go further.

Finally it doesn't have to be your own labour. If you can hire others to do it for you then you are directing energy to a task. If you can hire 1000 men with Caterpillar equpment then you are obviously wealthier than someone who can't.

So wealth is directly measurable as the ability to direct energy.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:56 | 3728271 css1971
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Just wait till this "free trade" comes to Europe.

Free trade zones are a euphemism for supplier competition zones.

Guess what the greatest number of suppliers actually supply? Work. The greatest number of suppliers by orders of magnitude, are employees supplying labour. This means that free trade areas are basically just employee competition zones.

Employees compete with those in the cheaper area for employment. American workers are already competing with Chinese workers with the results mentioned in the article. With the Free trade area being negotiated between Europe and America that is essentially just yet another straight through to China.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:30 | 3728280 Blano
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Does the Economic Collapse blog pay really well?  Just curious.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:47 | 3728491 Meremortal
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Go to any decent-sized local library and look at all the economic collapse books. There were a lot of them written around 1990. 

The economic collapse business has paid well for many years.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:30 | 3728281 q99x2
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I was getting worried that I wouldn't be able to work because I have been on vacation for the last 18 years so foolish me put an ad on Craigslist about two weeks just to test the waters. Son of a bitch if I didn't start getting calls. I even told one person that I couldn't do the job and she called back. I took that ad down so fast. Fuck work I have an Art Appreciation Mid Term due on Tuesday. Long live the vacation.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:31 | 3728283 texas sandman
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It seems lately that everytime I log onto ZH I think I've inadvertently clicked BleacherReport instead.

Here are my suggestions for future Top 10 or whatever lists:


"10 Hottest  MILFS on Wall Street"  (ok, maybe top 2?)

"15 Reasons John Corzine Should Be Vaporized"

"Top 10 Fuck Bernanke Posts On ZH"

"25 Hottest Part Time Jobs in America"

"10 Clues MillionDollarBonus is a TBTF Troll"

"15 Reasons AngusMcHugePenis is the Best Screen Name Ever"

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:31 | 3728285 vegas
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You can lay the blame for all of this on 50+ years of liberal bullshit. An explosion of government regulations, rising taxes, and a dumbed-down work force; WTF would you do if you owned a business? The purpose of business is to make money; NOT provide you with a job; NOT to give you health care; NOT to babysit your ass with a salary. Every major city in Amerika looks like fucking Rawanda, thanks to decades of good-ole-boy liberal  Chalky machine politics; the name of the game is fleece business with shakedown regulations and then spread the money around with worthless, bullshit municipal "jobs".


The basis of prosperity is rising incomes; you sure as shit ain't gonna get it in Amerika today. All that matters is government and the plantation mentality it seeks to promote through class warfare. Anybody that starts a "bricks & mortar" biz in Amerika today is an idiot, and is just begging to have all their money siphoned off by government via taxes or regulatory confiscation. It's only going to get worse.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:44 | 3728317 Divine Wind
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+1000 Vegas.


Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:54 | 3728343 Meremortal
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And after you've "laid the blame"....then what?

You still have to save your own ass in the end, and that has never changed. So, get started.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:46 | 3728490 Stanley Lord
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Good you have a plan. Mike Tyson knows about plans too.

I am pretty certain you will not be stepping off the Titanic without getting your feet wet.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:48 | 3728493 Meremortal
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The wahh-wahh crew has spoken with their red arrows.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 16:07 | 3728703 GMadScientist
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Weren't all the people at those ratings agencies, banks, and originators all bundling those loans into a festering pyramid of lies all working for "businesses"?

You think you're owed people's labor and they should make your money for you? Go fuck yourself you wanna-be slave-drivin' whiny motherfucker.


Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:49 | 3728327 robnume
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Why does ZH not read "SHADOW STATS" posted by John Williams? css1971 has made a great point about which I, too, have been wondering: will the sheeple of the EU rise up against this new "free trade" pact? I have enough knowledge about the pact to know that it's a real job-killer for northern countries, who have suffered the least, so far, economically speaking. When are we going to take the power back, sheeple? Also, does Disney now own ZH? I see ABC Medis Holdings and it freaks me the fuck out. I won't post with Goofy, Mickey and Donald scrutinizing my thoughts. Please, if anyone knows about the ZH and ABC (Disney) thing, let me know. Mickey scares me!

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:52 | 3728333 Meremortal
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When I was young (1975) I got a degree in Sociology. I didn't want to teach, which meant there were no decent jobs for me in the field.

I decided to work for myself. I played music for grocery money and studied real estate.

By 1983 I had retired from music and was working for myself (in various phases of real estate) and at 60 I happily semi-retired. Now I play music again, what fun.

I still see people being successful doing things this way today.

Work for yourself. It's liberating, especially since you have no one to blame but yourself if you aren't making money. Oh, I guess you can always blame someone or something for your condition, but eventually you will learn that nothing changes for the better as a result of doing that.

In the end, everything is up to you.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:20 | 3728406 Harbanger
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Just speculation, but something tells me that you may have inherited some real estate from your parents. 

Clues- Degree in sociology; played music for grocery money; "studied" real estate for 10 yrs before starting to work in various phases of it.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 15:10 | 3728567 Tinky
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Even if your cynicism is warranted, I'd argue that the more salient point is that he grew up during a historical period in which that type of relative (financial) freedom and flexibility thrived. I grew up during the same period (roughly), and was able to comfortably support myself waiting on tables for a number of years until I began to turn my passion into a vocation. (As a related aside, I had a much higher standard of living waiting on tables than those who do the same today.)

These days, the economic environment is far more restrictive (and worsening).

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 15:48 | 3728651 Harbanger
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"the more salient point is that he grew up during a historical period in which that type of relative (financial) freedom and flexibility thrived. "

I agree, those were the days of low crime, relative stability and financial freedom.  So when he says he made it "on his own" yet had the ability to play music for "grocery" money (no need to work for housing, bills or savings), I'm thinking life must have been good for the hippies.  Now those same progressives run the country.  Today what we have is high crime, instability and we're financial slaves to govt debt, paying for and maintaining their welfare state.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:53 | 3728339 FreedomGuy
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All these stats in this article are a testament to the genius of government interventions. I like the analogy of comparing an economy to the rainforest. No sane person would look at rain forest and say "I can improve that!". You understand it is infinitely complex and perfect as it is by definition. You cannot improve it, you can only change it at great cost to the forest.

Government is like someone who flys and 5000 feet and drops fertilizer, followed by weed killer, followed by "targeted" defoliants, followed by buy killer, followed by selected reforestation, followed by bug reintroduction, followed get the picture. After decades of remote interventions you know the rain forest would look like an apocalyptic Dr. Seuss forest with gross mutant animals and plants completely dependent on government interventions producing less than half the tonnage of life whether animal, plant, insect or bacteria.

The stats in this article are the evidence of this exact thing happening to the economy. Welcome to the theology of government genius. Vote for a new savior every election in every country. You will get the same result.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:58 | 3728352 Meremortal
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 "Welcome to the theology of government genius. Vote for a new savior every election in every country. You will get the same result"

Exactly. That's why you must ignore govt other than figuring our how to work around it to get what you want.

No one is going to save your ass. That's up to you. Waiting on a revolution makes you powerless too, as you must depend on others.

Any desired outcome that requires depending on strangers is a waste of time and will keep you a powerless victim.


Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:09 | 3728382 Meremortal
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Hmmm, a red arrow. Does that mean you prefer to be dependent on govt or others?

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:59 | 3728530 TPTB_r_TBTF
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red arrow because you are too narcissistic to admit that you are dependent on others.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 20:21 | 3729285 NidStyles
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Coexistence doesn't denote dependence.


One day you morons will understand the difference.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 13:58 | 3728354 Shizzmoney
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And people wonder why the black market is booming.

The harder you work in America......the less you get paid (as a percentage of profits).  In today's depressed labor market, just a fact.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:04 | 3728372 Meremortal
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Exactly, Shizz. That's why it's more important than ever to work for yourself and not be victimized by people who aren't going to help you.

Which includes everyone except your mother, and there's only so much she can do.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:08 | 3728378 Stanley Lord
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Someone explain to me why everybody is still living a great lifestyle.


Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:12 | 3728390 Meremortal
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In my case, I worked a plan and didn't depend on anyone else.

How about you, why are you living a great lifestyle?

Mon, 07/08/2013 - 22:16 | 3732884 NOTfromSanFrancisco
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EBT, SNAP, short selling and not paying mortgage payments and folks living rent free with boomer parents who are footing a lot of the bill so busters and later comers can eat out and drive nice cars... My guess...

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:11 | 3728388 Lucius Corneliu...
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In tech we can't find enough qualified candidates.  All of the decent graduates in Computer Science and Information Technology have multiple job offers their senior year.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:31 | 3728448 newworldorder
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RE: Lucius

As someone who has recruited high tech workers for 30+ years, I wish I had the time and inclination to prove to you how WRONG YOU ARE.

Lack of alleged tech talent is a smoke screen invented by corporations to import H1B workers. Please educate  yourself first. Look at what is actually happening in this country.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 16:16 | 3728728 Lucius Corneliu...
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Maybe you should talk to the recruiters who are searching for candidates to fill positions I am trying to hire for.  I don't need an education on this topic ... I am in the thick of it.

As for the H1B, I agree with you and think it should be scrapped and replaced with a green card system that gives precedence to highly trained and skilled individuals.  I also think that anyone who comes here and gets a degree in our public Universities should be given an automatic work visa and fast-tracked for a green card. There simply are not enough Americans going into Engineering and other sciences.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 16:52 | 3728778 beercandad
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When my Son graduated from Cal -Berkeley in Engineering , 95% of his fellow Graduates were Asian!

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 16:56 | 3728849 Lucius Corneliu...
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So what's your point?

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 18:47 | 3729111 Hulk
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They bought Gold !!!

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 17:03 | 3728866 newworldorder
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RE: Lucius

I really dont have the time to involve myself in your situation. But I will say this to you....... I wish you a long and continued employment in the Tech Field, untill you choose to retire. I hope that you never have to face the true unemployment market for tech people starting with your mid 40's age, where the absence of the newest skills, or software tools or experience will prevent you from gaining a job. All the best to you.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 17:30 | 3728938 Lucius Corneliu...
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All the best to you too.  I wish you well.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 14:15 | 3728392 AgentScruffy
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Recently heard a community college prof give a stark + revealing speech. Main points: some employers like McDonalds require that managers have a bachelor's degree (how ridiculous is that?)--those w/out a 4-yr degree can never advance to manager. (So I guess none of the "star" founder-CEOs who dropped out of school could work as a mgr at Mac's.)

Also: her classes are often filled with the mentally ill (seriously mentally ill, like schizophrenics) and those just out of jail for major crimes (like murder). Apparently there's a trend for counselors to tell these people "You need to go to community college, then you'll be able to get a good job." But as she pointed out, some aren't cut out for academics and should be able to receive training in what they actually have aptitude for. And going to cc won't necessarily qualify you for anything. Plus the "accept everybody" mandate leads to poor learning environments, meaning that those who want to learn and are capable and promising will have a much harder time benefiting from their time in cc.

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 15:11 | 3728571 TPTB_r_TBTF
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What do you have against shizos and murderers?


Many shizos are able to lead fulfilling lives: famous people with it


Are the murderers the impulsive type or the premeditated type?

The impulsive murderers are usually stupid; whereas, those who plan the murder are often quite intelligent. 

Sun, 07/07/2013 - 15:37 | 3728633 FreedomGuy
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They could become politicians.

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