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What Germany Thinks Of "The Biggest Bugging Scandal In History"
Having taken the US, Hong Kong, Russia, Europe and of course Latin America by storm, Snowden's revelations are now focusing on the symbiotic relationship between the NSA and Germany's (very experienced) secret services.
According to an interview that will be published in this week's edition of Spiegel, "American intelligence agency whistleblower Edward Snowden criticizes the methods and power of the National Security Agency. Snowden said the NSA people are "in bed together with the Germans." He added that the NSA's "Foreign Affairs Directorate" is responsible for partnerships with other countries. The partnerships are organized in a way that authorities in other countries can "insulate their political leaders from the backlash" in the event it becomes public "how grievously they're violating global privacy." Telecommunications companies partner with the NSA and people are "normally selected for targeting" based on their "Facebook or webmail content."
In other words, more of the same everywhere that "developed" people are "hated for their freedoms" (sic).
So how does Germany - which unlike the US, has had extensive historic experience with assorted iterations of secret police, first the Gestapo then Stazi - react? The following opinion piece also from Spiegel exposes how different, and also how familiar, the German and US responses to the "the biggest bugging scandal in history" truly are.
From Jan Fleischhauer of Spiegel:
Having experienced two dictatorships with notoriously effective intelligence systems, Germans are furious about NSA eavesdropping. Now they want to put even stricter rules in place -- but without paying the necessary price.
So maybe I'm not in the best position to comment on the NSA spying scandal. Ten days ago, I traveled to the United States to stay in a vacation home on the East Coast. "As a patriot, I find that traveling to America has become unacceptable," a colleague of mine texted me on Monday. In my own defense, I can only say that the scope of the scandal could not have been foreseen when I began my journey.
Since then, however, one has much to fret about. If I understand things correctly, the Americans are in the fast lane to setting up a state of hyper-surveillance in Europe ruled over by data dictator Barack Obama. And all good Germans are united in their outrage. Even Sigmar Gabriel, head of the center-left Social Democrats, is calling for prosecutors to launch an investigation into the head of the NSA.
Here in America, it's hard to come by reliable information on the scandal. I open up the New York Times every day hoping to learn something deeper. But even though it's the leading newspaper among the world's left-leaning elite, it only devoted a small side section to the biggest bugging scandal in history. On Tuesday, it broke a pattern by publishing a piece about the uproar sparked by revelations that the US had bugged the EU diplomatic representation in Washington. But, of course, it only got a slot on Page 4, behind stories about Syria, Egypt and the lax lending practices of Chinese banks. In fact, the "Gray Lady" deemed its coverage of Wimbledon more important than writing about how the US intelligence agency has violated the civil rights of millions.
Different Concepts of Privacy
It's hard to explain to Americans how Germans see this issue. Try telling someone from the US why we Germans have no problem sitting in a sauna full of naked people but get nervous when the Google camera-car rolls by and takes digital images of our houses. I gave it my best shot, but let's just say this: Our concept of the private sphere is not immediately clear to people abroad.
I've also learned that it is no easy task to clarify to Americans why Germans are more than happy to consign their children to state care when they are just one year old but would go through hell and high water to keep their personal information out of state hands. In most cases, Americans don't like the state nosing into their personal affairs. But, when it comes to internal and external security, they have resigned themselves to the necessity of government meddling.
For some reason, we Germans have taken the exact opposite approach: We delegate things to the state that we could take care of ourselves. But when it comes to issues we can't do alone, we don't trust the state to do them either.
The problem with American bugging is that it will never be exactly clear what we're supposed to be afraid of. The threat is rather abstract -- but that makes it all the more threatening.
To understand why Germans are so hyper-attuned to data-privacy issues, one probably has to look into our past. There is good reason for a land that has experienced two dictatorships -- one with a Gestapo, the other with a Stasi -- to be more sensible when it comes to the dangers of absolute monitoring.
Not Just to America 's Benefit
The sad truth is that the Germans have and continue to benefit mightily from America's spying program. Unfortunately, Germany is far from being an empty patch on the global map of Islamic extremism. And the lion's share of the information on the activities of extremists in Germany has been provided by the very agencies that we are now so livid about. They are America's eyes and ears on the world -- but they are ours, too.
So far, Germans have been able to count on others providing tips when things threatened to get serious. But that can't continue forever. Likewise, when it comes to the surveillance business, there are no free lunches. This has prompted the BND, Germany's foreign intelligence agency, to ask for more funding for its own Internet-surveillance activities. But, as things now look, we would prefer to give our intelligence services fewer means to defend us from attacks than to expose ourselves to accusations that we violated civil rights. The Green party has already branded the current fiasco as a "meltdown of the constitutional state."
Politicians should be honest enough with voters to spell out the costs, should the country move away from data surveillance. If a suitcase bomb were to explode soon in a major German city because we were too late in sifting through the meta-data of the perpetrators, it would be nice if the Justice Ministry could muster the courage to explain to people that these kinds of attacks are now the price we pay for the right to determine what happens with our personal information -- a right we currently place so much value on.
Why Bug the EU?
Yet one major mystery remains at the end of this week of outrage: Why on earth would the United States bug an EU embassy? What did the Americans expect to learn from such eavesdropping? Was it really so crucial for them to unveil why it's no longer forbidden to sell bent cucumbers in the EU or why restaurants aren't allowed to put olive oil dispensers on tables?
There can be only one explanation: The NSA must have a form of institutional punishment set up for its employees. Whoever screws up is forced to listen to EU diplomats talk for hours on end. But, on the bright side, the current fiasco will put an end to this particular violation of human rights as well.
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The Lives of Others is an excellent film
You must be reading Edward Snowden's twitter timeline.
One of the best films ever made. Hollywood just spews out Operation Mocking bird shit and other filth. I loved it the first time. I tried to watch it again but it upset me too much. Too close to home now. Michael Hastings recent "accident" makes it even closer to home for all of us.
It's called the 4th ammendment of the US constitution. It was perfect rule to prevent this.
We have a government that doesn't give two shits about the constitution. Nothing will stop this overbearing menace to society - except violent revolution. The corruption is too thick.
i don't trust people who espouse violence on here. violence solves nothing.
This country was founded on violence when we took our independence by engaging in a very violent revolution.
Violence is very much intertwined in the fabric of US history. Violence solves a lot.
the people keep re-electing fascists. who exactly is going to join you in your violent revolution? they will throw rotten vegetables at you on your way to the gallows dumbass.
Buzz- don't worry, there will be violence, but it won't be people taking up arms and marching on DC. It'll be violence perpetrated when the regime oversteps. Like Kent State, but with a buncha Libertarians being massacred.
Thomas Jefferson (the guy who wrote our Declaration of Independence and had an instrumental role in the drafting of our constitution) had this to say:
I never said I was starting a violent revolution but at this point I certainly would not oppose one. The government has usurped most of the liberties afforded to us under the supreme law of the land, the US constitution.
Apparently, you don't know shit about US history, or the founding fathers. You shallow cowardly fool.
as solve relates to problem, violence perpetuates
violence, thereby solving it by admiration and
integration on a related, but delegated, tangent.
it is what we do symbolically that becomes policy and
irrefutable truth and reality, confirmed by judgment and
encoded, like dna, the structure of life itself.
natural and un-natural selection at play in the fields
of our symbols.
you forgot the /sarc. violent sociopaths ONLY respect violence. writing your congressman ain't cuttin' it.
+1.
This is all under careful watch, and they know who you are.
There will be violence. And that's when the "American exceptionalism" will find there ain't shit special about a country full of cheeze-doodle swillin' morons that can't put down their smart phones to interact with live People...
Self defense is one thing, using violence like our government does is unnacceptable.
Passive resistance can shut down a government, initiate change. Boycotts work.
All we need is cooperation, but most are too lazy or fearful to do even these things.
Get it through your head. There IS NO "UNITED STATES" or "US CONSTITUTION". It has been voided by the Usurpation of the Presidency by a domestic enemy British subject, Barack Hussein Obama, who was born, and still is, a British subject because his father was a British subject. He is not a natural born Citizen and not eligible. If the executor of the laws is not a legal entity then there is no law, and the law is whatever the Global Central Bankers (the puppeteers) say it is---- The Usurpation was specifically to void the US Constitution. So are we going to be like Egypt, and yank the puppet out of office, or are we sheep? I suspect the latter.
Would a red team victory in 2016 be the answer?
He is also a Muslim, as descendants of the father in Islamic culture are Muslim by birth.
Is he a secular or observant Muslim? That is what we do not know for sure.
And, the reason he was chosen over Hitlery was indeed, as a non-American, he would have no hesitation to follow orders to obliterate America.
It does seem suspicious to a lot of people that a president that has surrounded himself with Israel-firsters is called a Muslim. I have to believe a lot of these comments actually come from Israel-firsters to throw people off the scent.
If a suitcase bomb were to explode soon in a major German city because we were too late in sifting through the meta-data of the perpetrators
Then it would a false flag attack like so many orchestrated under Operation Gladio. Everything has gone to hell since the false flag of 9/11. One major crime creates a cascade of major crimes to cover up that crime - Anthrax mailings of US-made anthrax, Patriot Act, Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, comprehensive surveillance at home and abroad, wars in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and Syria, drone killings, renditions and torture, Gitmo, NDAA, DHS with its $60 billion a year budget, 30,00 drones soon for domestics fear and intimidation, exponential debt growth, government control and manipulation of financial markets - the list is endless. We are a fascist, police state masquerading as a democracy.
At least we have the high comedy of Obama visiting Robben Island and asking young Africans to emulate Nelson Mandela. Apparently, Obama is immune to irony. The farce of a fascist state always provides high comedy.
If they're going to stage another false flag attack, they best make sure it involves the death of 535+2+9, as that will be the ulitimate outcome anyway...
LOL, the NSA even knows when Merkel takes a dump.
germany is a puppet of the usa overlords
WWII restitution, Gone Awry. Reminds me of all those American Indian casinos...
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Fuck Germany and that little hitler bitch running it. And for countries crying about the US (which I also hate btw).........just stfu already you're just as worthless. Best bet is to just get the hell off this planet.
I recommend you first ask her to define security and then if she has felt enough actual risk to throw away the rights that our very unique nation put in place a political miracle ago.
This has already been burnt as a story: German intel has just been shown to have been signing legal docs with the NSA. Grab the Guardian story on DE tapping the five incoming pipes with NSA tech as a hint.
It's the muppet show for the slower 1.0 fuckers as control (and no, "Anonymous" declaring "war" on Senators ain't cooking the chicken either). Total non-story, and it won't stop us spreading our wings.
There's a huge wave about to hit, and it's not under their control.
p.s. Tyler: if you're getting heat, there's solutions.
What a content-less waste of time. Why is Zero Hedge giving an introduction to and playing host to this MSM rubbish?
<<The sad truth is that the Germans have and continue to benefit mightily from America's spying program. Unfortunately, Germany is far from being an empty patch on the global map of Islamic extremism. And the lion's share of the information on the activities of extremists in Germany has been provided by the very agencies that we are now so livid about. They are America's eyes and ears on the world -- but they are ours, too.
So far, Germans have been able to count on others providing tips when things threatened to get serious. But that can't continue forever. Likewise, when it comes to the surveillance business, there are no free lunches. This has prompted the BND, Germany's foreign intelligence agency, to ask for more funding for its own Internet-surveillance activities. But, as things now look, we would prefer to give our intelligence services fewer means to defend us from attacks than to expose ourselves to accusations that we violated civil rights. >>
Unbelievable amount of spin even in this small extract. What a disgusting whitewash of German 'intelligence services' trying to get enough money to 'do their own' spying. You know, instead of relying on the U.S. being kind enough to do it for them. So that they don't have to worry about civil rights 'accusations' that might come from (presumably over-reacting) citizens who would like to enjoy some fucking privacy. Or, as this writer puts it, enjoying the 'free lunch' of Barky's spying, which apparently 'defends [Germans] from attacks'.
And while it is no surprise to me that a hack at Spiegel relies on the hopeless New York Times for information, Zero Hedge presents this without even a sarcastically raised eyebrow?
I appreciate that news is slow these days, but even the 'sexy stalker' article and the debate in the comments over how flabby her arms were, was less of a waste of time. At least I didn't have to read a bunch of MSM excuses for why citizen spying is desirable, necessary, or to any country's 'benefit'. Pathetic.
Marked this a "1" only because there is no "0" on the scale.
I never approved any government spying on me. If they do not have cause or a signed warrant for my information, it is illegal.
Because I am not an American citizen and I am a programmer, I am going to see if I can eavesdrop on them. My act is an act of self defense not offesnse.
I hope others join the bandwagon to bring these beasts down. This is looking more and more like pre world war two times.
Germans have a long enough history of rule by tyrants, and the faceless bankers and industrialists who pull their strings, to be able to recognize them in the early stages. The Americans are simply naive dupes, ready to be rounded up and put in front of firing squads. And Obama is just the man to do it. Don't tell me there isn''t a conspiracy by Black people to bring down their slavemasters. It's happening right in front of everyone. Anyone notice who the chief FISA court judge is? Crack-man Reggie B. Walton. Google the SOB - and then tell me you trust him to rule in favor of the people over their oppressors.
"Germans have a long enough history of rule by tyrants, and the faceless bankers and industrialists who pull their strings, to be able to recognize them in the early stages"
so they can begin to kow-tow to authorities, snitch on neighbors, get ID papers in order, sign kids up for the relevant youth indoctrination programs, enroll in proper public indoctrination "schools" (invented in Germany), join the citizens' paramilitary brigades, etc.
Yes what a proud nation of tyrant-worshipping, state-loving sheep.
The rest of your post is, as usual, ignorant nonsense.
Idiots who watch TV and Hollywood's Operation Mocking Bird shit. The endless plot lines of the wonderful CIA/NSA saving us from bad guys and evil. If you watch TV or Hollywood's crap then you support it. Loads of tards posting here who watch CNBC.
The Fuhrer is basically the only major ubervillain in German history. Unless you're trying to say monarchy is tyranny and mob rule(aka Democracy)is better. I would strongly disagree with that premise. I don't see the tyranny in a place with the gold standard, extremely low taxation, no central bank, and numerous little states that were very friendly to commerce.
I would say those in 19th Century monarchies had far less to fear from the state than those living in 21st century social democracies.
It is just more decadence at the end of empires. Started in the second half of the 1970s with the death of rock n roll. Continued through the 80s with deregulation and with art and TV programming being used to separate the classes. Then to the 90s with FED bubble blowing. On to the CIA, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the Saudis blowing up the world trade centers. Then on to the housing fraud. Finally since 2008 the placement of the banking elite, corporate elite and their congressional technocrats placed above the law. Now FRAUD is being used to move the spoils of the world into private hands ahead of world genocide. Same as always. The end of civilization. Unless of course some tech companies will join forces to take down the old system and bring up a new one that runs on open source software.
True deregulation is a good thing. A lot of folks think deregulation is bad because the word has been propagandized by some who want the government to lessen regulation on themselves while maintaining barriers to entry for others. That's a bad thing and it can't honestly be called deregulation.
For example, lots of folks say that big trouble started when banking was deregulated. But if banking had in fact been deregulated then you or I could open a bank ourselves. But if you try to open your own bank on voluntary terms with your customers but without government oversight you will end up in jail. That's because banking was never deregulated but rather existing banks were given permission to take even greater advantage of their government protected position.
True deregulation results in greater freedom by definition. It's a good thing.
Well argued. But notice how you had to write more than a couple of sentences, and take the time to expose the plausible falsehood behind journalistic use of "deregulation".
Thanks +1
From what i have gathered thus far the whole Rock'n'Roll scene was a government program from the get-go (Laurel Canyon), just a small gear in the Mockingbird program). But i could be wrong...
uh, the honeymoon is over?
Stasi on steroids
Do you think that Odubya is being set for assassination?
He has reneged on every promise he has made (except Odubyacare) and actually become more evil than Runtsfield. If he was dispatched the Reps won't cry and many liberals who are furious with his administration probably not care too much.
If I was Odubya I would be nervous. This is just a suggestion and may be way off the mark but what better way to bring about the transition to and emergency administration run by the ultimate evil Dick Blaney.
They can fucking take him out for all I care. I would laugh if there was a military coup and they took him out and shot him.
Hopefully he doesn't end up reffing soccer games in Brazil.......
Oooooooooohhhh
You going to hell for that one! Straight down!!!!
But it was still FUNNY!
Hell, there would be parties all over the place.
No. He's being set up as the joke that destroyed the Constitution. It's Racist and crap, but it's the truth.
I think you might be onto something there. I, myself, always thought they bought him the Presidency knowing that the economy/country was going to collapse during his watch; thus, the race wars would take out large portions of the KKK/GOP's enemies.
I am even more convinced that that is what is happening now.
As for assassination: I think it will necessarily follow the next financial crash. It just makes sense if you think like a Rumsfeld or Cheney...
"We'll take down Whitey from within"
A line on a TV show.
that's exactly what everyone is being bred to believe.
it's way way beyond Whitey/Blacky/Browny/Yellowy, brother.
Uh yeah except 50% is either fine with him or actively supports him, and all Statists are cut from the same cloth and do not approve of things like assassinations when it's one of "their" guys, even if they have to cross party lines (which are purely imaginary).
You could announce that Cheney was suddenly President tomorrow and, SHOCK! No one would do ANYTHING beyond file a lawsuit. There is a progression in acculturation to government lawlessness, and we're well past the point where anyone needs an assassination offered as justification for some blatantly illegal action. Truth is no one would demand it in the first place, that's how you know they're staged provocations - the stagers OVERestimate the resistance the sheep would offer to whatever they're planning. Considering that most of the world lived under autocratic tyrants for the past few thousand years with hardly so much as a peep of protest, this simply defies belief.
If he becomes worth more dead than alive to the Power that put him in office by rigged elections, yes, he will be liquidated.
I'm so fucking angry about this surveillance state. It is deadly serious matter. It ruined my day again today - needed to get updated MS Office for a new work gig. That cunt Gates won't let anyone buy an older version on disk for Windows Vista. Oh no. Ya gotta buy new software, that can only be downloaded from MS, and ya gotta register with them, get an email with them, give them your phone, address, yadda yadda, so they can fucking spy on you... And Windows 8 is a disgrace, as is MS customer service
Ok, you want to be scared? You want to be outraged? You ready to get your freedom shit on?
Here it is:
The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, which has poured more than $4 billion into efforts to transform public education in the U.S., is pushing to develop an "engagement pedometer." Biometric devices wrapped around the wrists of students would identify which classroom moments excite and interest them -- and which fall flat.
The foundation has given $1.4 million in grants to several university researchers to begin testing the devices in middle-school classrooms this fall.
The biometric bracelets, produced by a Massachusetts startup company, Affectiva Inc, send a small current across the skin and then measure subtle changes in electrical charges as the sympathetic nervous system responds to stimuli. The wireless devices have been used in pilot tests to gauge consumers' emotional response to advertising.
Gates officials hope the devices, known as Q Sensors, can become a common classroom tool, enabling teachers to see, in real time, which kids are tuned in and which are zoned out. [Reuters June 13th, 2012]
What the fuck do you think the iWatch is? (Even if it doesn't tell you about it, but it'll sure tell the servers - and if you've not already noticed the massive hard-on the predators have for bi-ambiguous terms, you need to wise the fuck up; we prefer the rule of 8, but hey, we'll do the rule of 3 since it's the fashion. This isn't hard for us).
Are you feeling a little emotional, citizen? I suspect you need an Advert for Prozacium[TM] (And do a basic search for the mobile units for screening populations that the TSA bought, electronics reading your biometrics in a mobile device, ffs. You can install that shit into any modern commercial unit ffs, including all McD's and so on).
We got a reader over here?
I gotta find a way to make OpenOffice work
And with regards to Gates. I saw his yacht/destroyer while on a cruise a few years back, or was it Paul Allens? He's ready.
Your only salvation is control. They shoot dogs to flush your emotions out so you can be controlled and pushed to respond. They are trained to push your buttons until you respond with an emotion, and then they'll break you. There's a solution. Never mistake this: every shitty procedure is designed by someone far higher up than those imposing it to provoke you. The Black American Experience is based on this.
Evolve. These fuckers play everything (including the brave Texas female stand for 11+ hrs against invasive probes up your vagina) as a Game. Because it is to them, they play with the RULES and LAW as a Game. They're cold, hard, blood-thirsty and cruel. They can ditch empathy or sociological attachments at the drop of the hat. I know this, because I am one of them. You want a sin greater than being homosexual or not respecting the hierarchy or dating someone whose not your "ethnicity"? Try loving a species we eat to survive, that causes real issues. (Fuck them though - they're toast as well, they're merely hidden well. Rule of 8)
The real trick is to not play nice and expect no quarter. Fuck them and their Law. You cannot win because their Law will always be changed to break your spirit.
So fuck them. Don't play nice. And burn the whole fucking thing down, they won't respect you unless you're a player. Asking nicely does not work with predators.
" I know this, because I am one of them."
I bet that sounded a lot cooler in your head than it does in anyone else's - well, except maybe the reddit crowd which loves this bloviating self-aggrandizing psuedo-intellectual esoteric name-dropping "look at me I use big words and inline hyperlinks" distinctly leftist logorrhea - peppered with hilariously unfitting technojargon and script-kiddie references - that you spew so frequently.
You're still not getting it dear - you're still addressing the mirror as if it's real. I'm not engaging you on your primitive level.
And yes, we know who you work for, Mr Company Man. Your kind are funny, but worse: your kind are fucking slow.
You didn't get the joke part, and went full retard with the Reddit lure, like I knew you would. Your attempt with "wonder bread" was at least a try (even if you're not very good at it, at least you were trying, but it dated you horribly - both in terms of the product, and the use of the humor hook to "better than sliced bread" which simply isn't used by anyone under 40 these days). Worse yet, you can't even admit this tech is in play, now, real time. Quite the business advantage in meetings if you can read the opposition - anyone with any real business sense knows why Asian countries have such stratified emotional cultures. It prevents the tells.
Why did Google buy Motorola? [Warning: PDF]
"Left wing". TROLOLOL. What year is it gramps, 1956? AM I A COMMUNIST AS WELL? YOUR 2D SPECTRUM IS AS OLD AS YOUR MOVES.
I seriously need to get into a poker game with you, I'd make a killing: oh, wait, unless you've a hidden badge & we hit $2k and you shoot me for it:
“Why did you shoot me? I was reading a book”: The new warrior cop is out of control
SWAT teams raiding poker games and trying to stop underage drinking? Overwhelming paramilitary force is on the rise... [Salon - but the guy is from the Cato institute, so you'll like it]
Get the joke yet, Mr Company Man? Seeing the moves? Even bother watching the videos? Added 1+1 yet? Need a fucking GUIDE? Ever learnt to RE AD BE TWEEN T E H LI NES?
S L O W - Cut his balls off, your attack dog is done. I greened his sorry ass out of pity - in fact, every post he makes I'll green, out of pity. He needs the help. We have a special needs poster in the house. Oh, and you even missed the reference to Bill Hicks in the line "we got a reader here?" Get off the fucking internet old man, go play in the garden under the sun, 'cause you're too fucking slow to play here.
Totentänzerlied, we get it, ok? your patience and understanding for communication and reasonings outside your own cultural/generational/whatever envelope borders zero. imho a pity you often just make very short remarks, and so give little evidence of what your tastes are, which makes quite difficult to cater to them - not that I'd even try to do that, and I doubt others you ad-hom should
Yeah, I apologise.
I shall discontinue.
NO QUARTER!
http://www.zazzle.com/us_marines_vintage_poster_bayonet_battle-228992905...
The Spartans had a saying:
Come back with your shields or on them.
That would be Paul Allen's baby. It even has a sub that docks with it from the bottom.
Right out of a Bond film.
Try Openoffice, buy a crappy pc with XP only and install old version
OpenOffic does work -if you are stuck send me a message. Long time user.
Doesn't Bill and Melinda Foundation sponsor eugenics research in Africa and owns a sizable share in Monsanto too?
Through all the lying days of my youth
I swayed my leaves and flowers in the sun;
Now I may wither into the truth.”
Oh goodie - more pictures from abroad that will never, ever make the cut from any editorial board of any major newspaper in any city in the US of A. Because they're all objective, balanced and impartial, and stuff.
Obama is a fucking POS. That two-faced hypocrite deserves a death like Mussolini's - hanging from a telephone pole.
Only if McPain and Miss Graham are hanging alongside.
I am glad the Nazi comparisons have been derailed. This is by far more like the GDR Staatssicherheit. I went through Checkpoint Charlie in 1968. The basic difference between the Stasi and The Staatssicherheit American-style is that they were more intelligent and better trained. Oh, they both steal and are intimidating, but the Stasi were not double digits wallowing at the trough.
They welcomed Barack with raised arms and tears of joy just like they did with Hitler
Now they realise they've fallen for another false idol
Will they ever learn?
No.
Just wait until von Hillary is nominated...
They'll march into the Sudetenland all over again...
In other News today
http://www.iltlaugh.com/2013/07/07/news-today/
barry milhous nazi - tyrant murderer
I distinctly remember candidate Obama saying this :
(sarc/) :
"I will create an unparalled surveillance network that will spy on every American, and every person on the planet, except those in mosques, and I will not disclose why..."
"I will use the power of government, such as the IRS and whatever else, against those that I deem my political enemies..."
"I will devote my energies to gun control and amnesty for illegal aliens..."
and, "I will grow government at the expense of everything else..."
Yes, I remember candidate Obama saying all of that, again and again...
take that obama :p
Jan Fleischhauer is a extremely conservative columnist, not only by his political views, but because he is always behind the curve. Why he did not write about spying before the Snowden leaks? It was all known, but I guess Fleischhauer condemned this as anti-american conspiracy theories then.
And the comparison to the sauna is complete bullshit. That does not justify spying. If I go into a sauna and sit there naked for a while, I do it voluntarily and I am aware that some people might stare at all my pieces.
The Germans have a word for guys who look at women's nice/naughty bits in a coed sauna: Spanner.
I usually get something like:
"Wow, that's nice...Does it still work?"
barry sucked cock for cocaine
still does.
That's why the ambassador was assassinated....he was Barry's lover and was going to out him. First openly gay ambassador??
RumInt - is that Barry putts from the rough, that's why his female sidekick hates his guts, she probably walked in on them when they were going at it! Just saying.
Lawyers representing whistle blowers in a case involving state department pedophilia get a little old school Watergate break in.
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/07/07/cameras_catch_mystery_break_in_at_whistleblowers_law_firm
National press seems to be uninterested in the story even though the burglers were caught on tape. I'm suprised to hear of kiddie sex allegation against the state department. I thought everyone there was lesbian.
listening? hehehehehe. that's for amateurs. we're HEARING now "and this is no joking matter." the only question now is just how good those algo's really are. i would argue they are VERY good. http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/06/20/megaupload-founder-kim-dotcom-in-...
Women's intuition in the 2012 election resulted in 55% voting for Obama and 44% voted for Romney. That leaves your fraud-spotting gift from God as some divine message of irony. That's my 2 FRN's.
The facts state that Obama got 140% in swing state precints. If you can explain that to me & convince me that the election was not stolen by George Soros & others, we can talk. Obama ONLY won in States where there are no voter ID laws, imagine that. The election was clearly stolen but I am still waiting for someone, anyone to stand up & challenge it. Not holding my breath. Elections no longer matter in this country. Republicans & Democrats all work for the same people & its not We The People. If elections mattered, they wouldn't allow them. Remember, its not "who" votes that counts, its who "counts" the votes.
Also, The Hand That Rocks The Cradle Rules The World! Don't believe me, ask your wife.
Nonresponsive. "Stay on target. Stay on target". Proper discussion and debate require that one responds to factual information which tends to refute a particular position posited by the other. When you can do that, we can talk.
There was late night voting and early voting fraud in all the swing states. The 1981 Consent Agreement allows Dems to engage in voter fraud and the GOP can do nothing. It went to SCOTUS at the end of 2012 and they upheld it (!). Can you say NSA?
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These same Germans??
http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2008/jul/24/barackobama.uselections2008
http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/11/20/13/2425568/7/628x471.jpg
Overall, though, the mood was warm, even joyful, a sign perhaps of just how deep the yearning outside the US is to end the current era — and to have an America non-Americans can believe in again.
Andreas Wernicke, 27, a computer salesman, said the idea of an African-American US president was "just totally cool", if it happened, he said, "you could tell yourself that, yes, the world does advance".
By common consent, tonight and the entire Obama week has been a huge success, generating priceless images for TV consumption back home and helping Obama cross the credibility gap — making it easier for Americans to imagine him as a player on the world stage.
The Obama camp is hoping the notion that the US will regain the respect of the world under a President Obama will persuade many American voters to back him.
+100
ROFLMAO. No offense to Germans of course.
Damn brothers and sisters! You all do know that I do not lie to you? Why not? I might use hyperbole as an expression of literary license at times but you know me. I was just talking to my boatingaccident admin2 in Texas and we went blank. We can't make a reconnection.
Probably just bad weather right?
This is selfserving hypocritical bullshit. What goes around comes around.
Hmm nice argument.
You suck at trolling.
Jeb Bush will soon be installed as the president. The criminal house of Bush has to continue to hide in plain sight, which is political office.
You read it here, first.
FUCK THE NSA! FUCK THE FED!
+1 Just make sure to say "Fuck Bush" and not "Fuck Texas".
I see the real problem with monitoring every body as not being totally focused on real threats. Huge amounts of money and peoples efforts are being wasted by treating every human being on the planet as an equal threat. The misdirected efforts have the effect of harming the whole and overlooking the specific. Just because you can see everything does not mean you should look at the irrelevant. Toilet paper sales figures knowledge in Austria will not stop the next attack.
Pee-wee: There's a lotta things about me you don't know anything about, Dottie. Things you wouldn't understand. Things you couldn't understand. Things you shouldn't understand.
Dottie: I don't understand.
Pee-wee: You don't wanna get mixed up with a guy like me. I'm a loner, Dottie. A rebel.
http://youtu.be/I5Jv6joaw_U
How come the Germans are protesting about some white guy?
Written Constitutions are ultimately a joke. They rely upon Consent. Mass-Democracy will never hold political elites to account; it is simply a means of having one idiot cancel out the vote of one genius. It was only required to justify mass-mobilisation of manpower in two World Wars, but beyond that it has been sidelined by Bernays Mass-Media giving power back to Oligarchy.
Now the Oligarchy is back - behind the screen - but has re-shaped economies and societies by hollowing out the Middle Class and reducing the rump to State Salaried Apparatchiki.
It has been quite a well-managed Creeping Coup D'Etat but Christopher Lasch warned about it in "Revolt of the Elites" and people just ignored the warnings. It is clear that telephony is basically broadcast media and that Blackberry's USP is defunct, data security.
There are probably only 5-7% population in each country that are viable intelligent people ready to effect change, the rest are content with whatever the regime serves up and in whatever form - any variant of Fascism will do. Mass-Democracy and Mass-Media are the instruments of Oligarchy
Maybe 5% to 7% would accept a less predatory environment, but do you really believe 5% to 7% are willing to do something about it?
I mean, something more than moan, groan and complain? I wish you are correct, but I am vastly more pessimistic.
I am always open to suggestions as to what the 5-7% can do about it.
For the 1 person who cares what I think (thanks for those up arrows, whoever you are :))
This is why this undertaking is doomed to failure. Suspicious minds.
It would not surprise me if the clans at the top of their pyramid made by a deck of cards are spying on one another. A cold response. A call not returned or returned too late. A dinner party and not invited. They will carry these thoughts behind every act, and if they are human, the additional energy and time it will return will send them into a mental maze of doubt and suspicion, taking away from the times one would use for enjoyment and relaxation will be tied up in deep consideration and analysis of a business partner's true feelings.
Anyone who truly holds their sanity close to their hearts, will begin to realize the ethical approach to doing business and conducting one's life is the less troublesome, less bumpy, and the high road to a state of peace of mind and a short cut to a sense of calm at the same time. This is a man of weak character's approach to doing business. Skip the talks, bargaining, negotiations and go straight to war, economic or otherwise, beef up security and start the espionage. There is something haywire about this. Insanity is what I consider hell and this road is going straight to hell folks unless the politicians stand up and talk to us about what is going on...the debt, the agend, the crazy market and the banks...the truth because all this is just double talk.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projective_identification
Projective identification differs from simple projection in that projective identification can become a self-fulfilling prophecy, whereby a person, believing something false about another, relates to that other person in such a way that the other person alters their behavior to make the belief true. The second person is influenced by the projection and begins to behave as though he or she is in fact actually characterized by the projected thoughts or beliefs, a process that may happen outside the awareness of both parties involved.
The recipient of the projection can suffer a temporary loss of insight, a sense of experiencing strong feelings of being manipulated so as to be playing a part, no matter how difficult to recognise, in somebody else's phantasy.[4] One therapist, for example, describes how "I felt the progressive extrusion of his internalised mother into me, not as a theoretical construct but in actual experience. The intonation of my voice altered, became higher with the distinctly Ur-mutter quality."[5]
In everyday life, it can happen that the recipient feels almost kidnapped or coerced into carrying out the unconscious phantasy of the projector.[6] In extreme cases, the recipient can lose any sense of self - to become inhuman, a moving bag of skin, with important symbolic messages rattling about inside - and may find themselves acting out in attempts at self-exorcism; the attempt to rid the self of projections or possession.[7]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBmAPYkPeYU Elvis - We cannot build our dream on suspicous minds.
Without denying what you said, I think the mechanism for this is much simpler in practice, State brainwashing from Kindergarten through University to Mass Media all tell us "what to do and what to think" and that only "bad people" do things differently, the framework of control is all encompassing and all pervasive and it includes everybody
Thank god for the internet is all I can say with regards to that. If nothing else, reading the FB comments in the threads of current events (newsfeed) reveals well informed citizens who have thoroughly researched the topics. As you would expect from an American, they are thorough and will not stop until the mission is accomplished. What is an obstacle which has been referred to is the religious groups who having waited for this moment, prayed for it seemingly, in a last grande stand before rapture.
http://www.raptureready.com/ (ready rapture web sites, pick your religion and they've got the holy roller launch pad instructions.)
Pollution, politics, issues of infrastructure is none of their concern, they are thinking about nothing but teh next life, a JH woman said, as she handed me the pamphlet. It's predestined to happen. Save yourself while you can.
It appears there has been a neutralization of a large the population with getting to heaven, drugs, complicated personal lives, debt and a green screen reality.
The Government in Germany already knows everything about it's citizens, from Meldegesetz to needing an ID to buy a SIM card. Germany might have the toughest privacy laws anywhere but the only apply in private-to-private affairs, the Government is always the exception to those laws and is allowed .. even required to monitor everything, and the protest to this is minimal at best
It's ironic that the author is looking in the WSJ for a story on this subject. the WSJ is a MURDOCH paper and he is quite comfortable with his journalists hacking into peoples phones (illegally) - and he belittles the law when he's in 'private' company (but that's only until the hacker gets hacked!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/jul/05/rupert-murdoch-secret-tape
Quite ironic that the police (who he belittles) and who he suggests are open to 'payments' - are the ones now expected to investigate the crooked old dog.
Quite laughable - if it wasn't so fucking serious.
America’s NSA ‘in bed with’ Germany and most others: Snowden
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/07/us-usa-security-germany-idUSBRE9660C020130707
"Please take it easy and don't panic while you are waiting for your shot behind your neck. It's for your own safety."
In Romania, a country accustomed with secret police in 45 years of communism, an article about Edward Snowden is inserted after some Middle East "revolutions", after some plane accidents and just before the Greek tragedy. The takeover was completed here.
Some good background on the players: http://streetwiseprofessor.com/
I used to think that "W" was the worst president we've ever had.
And then came "O."
Looking at all the NSA spying from a financial and economic perspective, it is beneficial for insider trading for elites.
Poor article, total surveillance will not prevent anyone from making an attack, especially now that it is common knowledge that everything is monitored.
Trying to analyse, understand and justify the huge - and growing - amount of State surveillance that goes on within the US, UK, Europe - and between each other - is a distraction IMO. It will always be the case that governments can provide copious excuses and justifications for what they secretly do. And not even admit to large amounts of it, hiding behind the old excuse "national security". This is the UK government's favourite excuse to shut down debate. And it works: the huge scandal involving GCHQ unlawful mass surveillance has long gone off MSM headlines.
And if necessary, governments and numerous agents of The State can always rustle up a few false flag incidents or terror scares to ram home the need for surveillance to doubtful people. There are plenty of examples of this, here's one carried out in the UK by the Tony Blair Government: http://garbaje.aracari.warpmail.net/Misc/Guardian-ricin-plot-that-never-... As we see, the Met Police was up to its neck in this Blair scam, and they've been involved in numerous others. They are the foot soldiers of the growing Security State.
It's more important for citizens to demand of their governments that the scale and depth of surveillance going on by these shady state organisations has a clearly defined purpose and is fully supported and controlled by law. As we already know, much of what goes on is a violation of law.
Nor should we allow ourselves to be fooled or distracted by the fake anger being expressed by EU governments like Germany. Their own surveillance agencies are up to their necks in domestic surveillance and work hand-in-hand with the NSA/CIA/FBI et al. As Snowden has revealed, "they're in bed together".
How can it be that Obama's controllers see fit to admit to collection of so-called metadata *after* it was exposed, when they didn't see fit to admit to it before? Well, contrary to Obama's feeble attempt to trivialise metadata, people who know what it is will also know that it's quite considerable and I would never agree for any of my metadata being scooped up by any security agency, without good reason. And since I am not a terrorist, there can never be a good reason.
The real reasons for this mass surveillance and collection of personal/private data is to create a global surveillance architecture, whereby every person is under surveillance by the state just in case they step out of line. And of course, as we also see, it involves a huge amount of political and industrial espionage.
Governments are out of control.
"Why bug the EU?"
Um........hedge funds and TBTF banks whose derivitives that are linked to ECB and EU policy that effects sovereign debt?
The NSA PRISM isn't primarily there to watch us (although it is; there is a reason they busted up Occupy for efficently). It's there for corporate espionage, so that the insiders can short and hedge and manipulate as much as they can to either make up for fail (like the London Whale) or to skim off the top so that they can afford their McMansion on the Hamptons.
Trust me: information, no matter where it is derived......is ALWAYS for sale.
"If a suitcase bomb were to explode soon in a major German city because we were too late in sifting through the meta-data of the perpetrators, it would be nice if the Justice Ministry could muster the courage to explain to people that these kinds of attacks are now the price we pay for the right to determine what happens with our personal information"
False choice.
http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/privacy-vs-security-false-choice-poisons-debate-nsa-leaks-6C10536226
If a nuclear suitcase bomb was detonated in a German or American city, you can rest assured that the perpetrator, Yassir bin Bulshiti, fingered and convicted within minutes by the corporate controlled media in photos and videos where he appears particularly ghoulish, would die in a hail of bullets while an attempt to arrest him was made, though he was probably in his boxers and unarmed at the time. It would probably take the more alert segment of the public ten years to figure out that the very alphabet soup agencies purportedly protecting us from terraists, are in fact the terraist and planted the bomb. That ten year estimate is based on the continuation of a free internet which is very unlikely. TPTB rely on the hypnotic stupidity of the public who never ask questions like, "If smudge fires melted the huge, asbestos coated WTC steel beams, why has my barbecue withstood fires of far higher temperatures these past ten years?" So in the common sense department, mininukes are very complicated, sophisticated devices. They cannot be manufactured in third world caves. The B-29's which nuked Japan in 1945 could barely take off due to the weight of the bombs. Miniaturization took many years of development.
A "Conspiracy Theory" that turned out to be fact! Obviously, the "New World Order" is another "conspiracy theory" based on fact, seeing that the other governments were cooperating and doing the same.
This is old news. The only reason the media is hashing this over now, is that many of the "elites" found out that they are also on the bug list. When they've succeeded in reigning in the NSA, et al, to a degree where the "elites" are not spied on, some other news story will take over and we won't hear about this again.
They aren't going to turn this off. They know they can get away with it.
Who gives a shit about elections? When Ron Paul was torpedoed, TPTB had it all under control. Yeah there was a little in fighting between the two factions as to whom would collect the spoils, but both (Obama or Romney) were ready to answer ,"how high" when their globalist bosses spoke to them. Romney doesn't even appear to be human to me - like some sort of evil Data cyborg (or worse). I kept expecting him to lose control in a debate and pull the latex off his head revealing who knows what :-) Did you know that Kerry and W were both brothers contemporaneously while at Yale in the secret and Satanic Skull and Bones? I think there were only 15 in that "society" at the time. Hmmm. 310,000,000 sheeple and both candidates are brothers at Yale in a small Satanic fraternity. Guess I must be a conspiracy theorist. Oh yeah. They were both C students at Yale but W had a slightly higher GPA :-) And then we have that monstrosity, the teleprompter-in-chief, but I have ranted enough for one comment.