Edward Snowden Interview 2 Released - "The US Government Will Say I Aided Enemies"

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The Guardian has released the second part of the Edward Snowden interviews with Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras. Snowden contemplates the reaction from the US government to his revelations and gets their play-book eerily correct.

Recorded in Hong Kong on June 6th 2013: Snowden Interview Part 2

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ZerOhead's picture

The US Government should itself be prosecuted for "aiding it's enemies"...

francis_sawyer's picture

@pachanguero

~~~

I don't know who you are, but you're my NEW HERO... Is that one of those 'Brazilian Granny' contestants as your avatar?...

That's gotta be 'Patricia'

http://www.slideshare.net/Art37/grandmas-in-brazil

Race Car Driver's picture

> Snowden contemplates the reaction from the US government to his revelations and gets their play-book eerily correct.

 

WTF - eerily correct? They're all spooks! They all have the same f**k*ng playbook! There's nothing eery about reading a script and playing a part unless you're watching a horror movie (sorry, this one is a tragic comedy).

This guy ain't no hero - he's a paid messenger boy for TPTB. Americans are now officially under constant electronic surveillance - get used to it.

mbutler101's picture

agreed...how many bombshells has snowden released? Oh yeah, zero. More softballs from the 'whistleblower'. Refresh my memory, what exactly has he revealed that we didn't know already? How many resignations has he triggered? How many congressional investigations (other than himself)?

Herd Redirection Committee's picture

Jon is a great journo.  I was reading nomorefakenews long before ZH came around.  He was ripping Big Pharma a new one at that time.  And truth is, work for the CIA, makes you CIA for life.

redpill's picture

So why is Assange a criminal for publishing leaks from Bradley Manning, but The Guardian is not a criminal for publishing leaks from Edward Snowden?

TheDarkKnight's picture

Because TPTB want you to know they are watching

WarriorClass's picture

And they want you to know what they will do to you if you go off the reservation.

Like Michael Hastings...

http://americandictators.blogspot.com/2013/07/obamas-state-security-ops....

 

12ToothAssassin's picture

Its known as "Limited hangout" in spook speak. You give away a smaller lie in order to obscure and maintain a much bigger lie.

Oh regional Indian's picture

Are you WITH Snowden? Really WITH him?

Maybe not, or may be not the way you think.

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2013/07/08/are-you-with-me/

ori

jbvtme's picture

they grounded morales' airplane in an unprescedented move because of snowden. they locked down boston for a day in an unprescedented move because of a crisis acted fake flash grenade.  they blew up dykes in new orleans during a harpocane in an unprescedented effort to confiscate guns and incarcerate civilians in a football stadium.  i'd say the jury is still out on the snowden affair.

bank guy in Brussels's picture

UK Guardian is a 'news source' of the Rothschilds, the wealthiest family in the world *

« The Guardian is controlled by Guardian Media Group, whose chairman is Paul Myners, a past employee of N M Rothschild & Sons Limited. Guardian Media Group is owned by the Scott Trust, which became a limited private company in 2008, with all trustees becoming directors of the Scott Trust. Anthony Salz was appointed as a trustee of the Scott Trust in 2009; he is currently executive vice-chairman of the investment bank Rothschild. »

http://www.abeldanger.net/2011/02/wikileaks-rothschild-operation-swiss.html

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* The Rothschild family is estimated by mainstream sources (Forbes etc) to have a wealth in excess of US $ 400 billion ($.4 trillion !), but they spread it among numerous family members and thus can avoid the 'top billionaires' lists.

One of the oddest things the ultra-Zionist Rothschilds have done, is their funding, design and construction of the extremely spooky Israeli Supreme Court building with Masonic and pagan symbols ... Very creepy and satanic-seeming, has been covered by leading Israeli radical journalist Barry Chamish. Photos of that weird structure here -

http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/rothschild__the_israeli_supreme.htm

Herd Redirection Committee's picture

$400 billion, lol.

Reports from 1850 list the Rothschilds as becoming the world's first billionaires at that time.  Tough finding copies these days, for sure.

But take $1 billion and compound it at 6% for 163 years and tell me what you get.  My calculations tell me they are easily the world's first trillionaires, at this point in time.

tarsubil's picture

Michael Hastings wasn't going off the reservation. Look at his wife. He was on the wrong reservation when two master factions fought. Same with the ambassador.

Papasmurf's picture

They want you to believe they are watching.  They can't watch everything and they can't pick out relevant from chaff.  Now that everyone has hundreds of "friends" on facebook, none of it can be processed.

spine001's picture

Staying under the RADAR is the only encryption remaining for the general Joe. All others are like wearing a thick sweater as a bullet proof vest! And worse, with a large fluorescent funnel type target built in.

LOL.

 Unless you're a mathematician and know what you are doing don't ever trust any encryption algorithm, and if you are and you encrypt anything they want to know, hahaha, you will talk so fast that you won't understand yourself when they nicely ask you to decript it and give them the algorithm.

 

But finding a needle in a needle stack, that remains troublesome, extremely difficult and beyond mere human machines. But since they store anything and everything, when they single you out, you are out of luck, everything will come out. I, at least have known this for many, many years. I still remember a guy I hired from the defense industry into our company, he never ever told me anything about what he had done there, had top secret clearance or something like that, but my God, was he paranoic? He behaved as if he was being looked at every moment of his life by big brother... And he was incredible with encryption, sometimes, I had a very hard time following him in his math.

Population Bubble's picture

The Panopticon only works if the prisoners know they are being watched.

THX 1178's picture

I don't believe the official story. I think Snowden works for the CIA. I don't think it would be possible for snowden to saunter in to B.A.H. and just steal EVERYTHING. I just don't buy it. If he really was a whistleblower, CIA/NSA/Black box agency would have offed him LONG ago. don't believe this shit. Its shit. Obvious shit.

redpill's picture

I think you overestimate them.

Chupacabra-322's picture

@ THX 1178,

I tend to agree.  TPTB assasinated Michael Hastings for a lot less. 

WARNING: The National Security Agency is likely recording and storing this communication as part of its unlawful spying programs on all Americans … and people worldwide. The people who created the NSA spying program say that this communication – and any responses – can and will be used against the American people at any time in the future should folks in government decide to go after us for political reasons. And private information in digital communications may be given to big companies by the government.

BLOTTO's picture

I know the feeling...

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Nobody wants to keep getting hoodwinked, over and over and over and over again...the truth is out there...its just piled with 10 feet of manure, piss, shit, crickets, earth and worms...

.

At least this way we have alll the bases covered.

If we all are on one side slapping each other on the back agreeing and licking each other nuts  - thats when you are easy prey...

We must dissect everything...

walküre's picture

Check the source. Who is Snowden talking to? Is the source credible. Some are so easy to dismiss Snowden as a psyop agent. What would the purpose be? We are hearing first hand from an agent that the US is spying on its own people and is spying on the whole world.

Can you say CLUSTERFUCK? The US government is betraying its own people. Some say that is not news. I would say that is news to a vast majority of Americans if they could take 2 mins. out of their rat race life and actually digest what that means.

The US government is spying on countries who are supposedly our friends and allies. This is a huge bone of contention and cannot be ignored! Our allies are going to abandon us in droves and so they should. Would you stay committed to a partner in a relationship where the partner knows all your secrets and wants to know more? Big fat NO!

This is the end of the US empire. The US empire will crumble and die a very lonley death and not many will shed any tears at the funeral. Good riddance!

 

 

prains's picture

it's amazing the apathy that's even trolled out on this site, <<yeah we knew it already so who cares>> WOW

fact is you didn't know it, you only suspected it, plus you didn't know the extent. Why because this was all classified so you couldn't have "known" only suspected. Now that theory is confirmed FACT so many just want to roll over and have their tummies tickled, it's fucking crazy. What the .gov "intended" by either letting snowden go or were caught with their pants down (i suspect the latter) is just irrelevant noise meant to yet again muddy the water.

this is the american speciality, muddy the water, alter language so that meanings are useless, cirlce jerk the conspiracy theories on social media. It's all noise.

It's simple, you are watched,analyzed and can be arrested as a trrrrist the minute they want now. So what happens when you actually have to DO something about it sometime in the near future. Roll over and have your tummy tickled??

Beware the apathetic, it's a ruse to another type of false prosperity, much like the last 300 ruses

Dick Buttkiss's picture

"The US government is betraying its own people. Some say that is not news. I would say that is news to a vast majority of Americans if they could take 2 mins. out of their rat race life and actually digest what that means."

Aside from the fact that Americans are too dumbed down, docile, and dependent to take two seconds out of their rat-race lives to "digest what this means," the point is that if Snowden is a CIA mole, then the scandal is far worse, as it only proves how rotten to the core the entire US "intelligence" community is and thus how rotten to the core the US "government" is.

I mean seriously. If Rappaport is right, then isn't the CIA just jealous that it can't do what the NSA is doing, which Rappaport says is this?

NSA is the most awesome spying agency ever devised in this world. If you cross the street in Podunk, Anywhere, USA, to buy an ice cream soda, on a Tuesday afternoon in July, they know.

They know whether you sit at the counter and drink that soda or take it and move to the only table in the store. They know whether you lick the foam from the top of the glass with your tongue or pick the foam with your straw and then lick it.

They know if you keep the receipt for the soda or leave it on the counter.

They know whether you’re wearing shoes or sneakers. They know the brand of your underwear. They know your shaving cream, and precisely which container it came out of.

If so, then what the hell does it matter who Snowden is? If he's an American hero, great. If he's a CIA mole, even better. Either way, the corruption is sufficient not just to condemn the present regime. It's enough to condemn the United States Government.

Once and for all.

The sooner the better.

IndyPat's picture

We don't know what Hastings knew to say he was killed for less....

tarsubil's picture

"Yes, there is a conspiracy, indeed there are a great number of conspiracies, all tripping each other up… the main thing that I learned about conspiracy theories is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in the conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy, or the grey aliens, or the twelve-foot reptiloids from another dimension that are in control, the truth is far more frightening; no-one is in control, the world is rudderless." - Alan Moore

The CIA is not in control. This Hollywood image of them all being super spies is complete bullshit. The majority are short fat bureaucrats. The idea that they would never "allow" this to happen as if they are omnipotent is childish. 

Herd Redirection Committee's picture

Alan Moore?  Come on now.  Everyone loves V for Vendetta, but the man is an admitted occultist and magician.  Maybe that doesn't mean anything to you.  But to me, being an occultist means being such a good liar you believe your own lies.  That is what magic is to these people, "acting as if". Do as thou wilt.

Maybe no one group is 'in control', but there definitely are some EXTREMELY powerful cabals out there.  And we are on to them.

BellyBrain's picture

Yea, T. Mckenna tried to spout that same bullshit line that nobody is in control. Obviously there are factions, and obviously no single agenda besides eventual self-destruction.  But these psychopaths sure seem to get away with...well, pretty much anything they want.  If that's not control, then it is at least a massive amount of power and influence.

Cathartes Aura's picture

consider that each faction is somewhat in control of their piece of reality, and many of those realities are competing against each other. . . what any one faction is getting away with at any given time is only temporary, on a long enough time line.

“Ego is a structure that is erected by a neurotic individual who is a member of a neurotic culture against the facts of the matter. And culture, which we put on like an overcoat, is the collectivized consensus about what sort of neurotic behaviors are acceptable.”

                             ~  Terence McKenna

g speed's picture

@  thx 1178     you sound the troll to me-- "  Official story" is that official speak??  "Steal everything" is that the new official charge against Snowden???  "would have offed him long ago"  Oh oh I'm so scared you make them so powerfull oh my I better just put my head on the chopping block. It makes me want to take a long look at your other comments--  maybe we should not believe your shit?? its shit?? obviouse shit??    just sayin--- 

MeelionDollerBogus's picture

Your theory has no credibility.
This would imply the forced landing & detention of President Morales plane, and all the comments of Putin, are all an act, in collusion with the CIA, and would also imply the new result,
the refusal of students to be recruited for spying and to call out recruiters publicly,
is an intended snow job rather than destroying a GENERATION of recruiting for the spy agencies of young, naive but computer-clever / math-clever recruits.
No.
Your theory falls apart completely.

Shell Game's picture

Easy.  Because Assange was fringe and a piece of cake to attack.  The Guardian, not so much....

WallowaMountainMan's picture

"So why is Assange a criminal for publishing leaks from Bradley Manning, but The Guardian is not a criminal for publishing leaks from Edward Snowden?"

Redpill: two words, GLENN GREENWALD.

 

Ghordius's picture

redpill, the UK still has freedom of the press, and a diverse media landscape (of course one that includes Murdoch)

smacker's picture

Good question.

The British PRINT media has a very long tradition of "freedom of the press" and only gets hammered when it commits blatant libel. Attempts to gag or control it have consistently failed. Most recently the Leveson Inquiry. Nevertheless, it applies a lot of self-censorship when it suits them.

Freddie's picture

+1

Jon's stuff is very good.  CIA is like the Corleone family.  Fredo only left the family in a pine box.   Jon's analysis is the most plausible and others have said similiar things.  We all hope Snowden is a hero but the revelations so far were pretty much known like Echelon was.  Give us something big Snowden-CIA.    Maybe tell us who is really sitting in the White Hut.   

Chupacabra-322's picture

All the infrastructure a Tyrant would need, courtesy of Bush, Obama and Congress Combining the people who didn't trust Bush and the ones who don't trust Obama adds up to a sizable part of the citizenry. But even if all the critics were proved wrong, even if the CIA, NSA, FBI, and every other branch of the federal government had been improbably filled, top to bottom, with incorruptible patriots constitutionally incapable of wrongdoing, this would still be so: The American people have no idea who the president will be in 2017. Nor do we know who'll sit on key Senate oversight committees, who will head the various national-security agencies, or whether the moral character of the people doing so, individually or in aggregate, will more closely resemble George Washington, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, John Yoo, or Vladimir Putin. What we know is that the people in charge will possess the capacity to be tyrants -- to use power oppressively and unjustly -- to a degree that Americans in 1960, 1970, 1980, 1990, or 2000 could've scarcely imagined. To an increasing degree, we're counting on having angels in office and making ourselves vulnerable to devils. Bush and Obama have built infrastructure any devil would lust after.

 

Behold the items on an aspiring tyrant's checklist that they've provided their successors:


A precedent that allows the president to kill citizens in secret without prior judicial or legislative review


The power to detain prisoners indefinitely without charges or trial


Ongoing warrant less surveillance on millions of Americans accused of no wrongdoing, converted into a permanent database so that data of innocents spied upon in 2007 can be accessed in 2027


Using ethnic profiling to choose the targets of secret spying, as the NYPD did with John Brennan's blessing


Normalizing situations in which the law itself is secret -- and whatever mischief is hiding in those secret interpretations


The permissibility of droning to death people whose identities are not even known to those doing the killing


The ability to collect DNA swabs of people who have been arrested even if they haven't been convicted of anything


A torture program that could be restarted with an executive order


Even if you think Bush and Obama exercised those extraordinary powers responsibly, what makes you think every president would? How can anyone fail to see the huge potential for abuses.

 

 


 

 

 

WARNING: The National Security Agency is likely recording and storing this communication as part of its unlawful spying programs on all Americans … and people worldwide. The people who created the NSA spying program say that this communication – and any responses – can and will be used against the American people at any time in the future should folks in government decide to go after us for political reasons. And private information in digital communications may be given to big companies by the government.

IndyPat's picture

Freddie - in your fireworks for the fourth this year, did you spark off the big box first or lead with a few sparklers for the tease?

Freddie's picture

I hope your are right and I hear you.  The other theory that I have heard besides Snowden being CIA is he is older school CIA in there to take down NSA a notch and to also take down you know who.  To leak things that will be too much for ***** to stay on office.

I am starting to believe it is all hope for the masses as the grip of the police state engulfs us even more.  

Until I hear something pretty earthshaking then I am starting to discount Snowden as a weak CIA operation to make NSA look a little bad.  Plus make the masses of sheep and those who care, like us, think their is a glimmer of hope that there is a patriot somewhere trying to save us.  

francis_sawyer's picture

I gotta go with Freddie on this one...

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Columbia, MD is "spook city" [for both CIA & NSA]... Ft. Meade is 'closer' though so the NSA 'numbers' are probably higher...

But the NSA chumps are a bunch of fags in Best Buy 'Geek Squad' khakis & blue golf shirts... The CIA dudes tend to run a few generations deep... NSA recruits in geekville... CIA recruits from "family" & "military special ops"...

Harbanger's picture

+1 I think you nailed the difference.

BLOTTO's picture

Now we are dissecting...good arguments

and good discussion.

walküre's picture

Maybe tell us who is really sitting in the White Hut.  

I suspect that he doesn't know that. His revelations are purely confirmation of "tin foil" hat suspicions. Not more and certainly not less. The audience can draw its own conclusions and it's left to anyone's imagination just how deep the rabbit hole goes. Fact that authorities are calling him "traitor" actually elevates his credibility. They can't help themselves and now they pretend it didn't happen. Trying to ignore the problem. Hoping it will blow over. It won't. The damage is done.

The US has LOST massive amounts of credibility. This cannot be repaired and much like on 9/11 when some suggested, life would never be the same after that, there is reason to believe that life will be very different in a post Snowden revelation world.

Taint Boil's picture

 

 

I just checked Google news for the story and …….. nothing - go figure.