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Edward Snowden Interview 2 Released - "The US Government Will Say I Aided Enemies"
The Guardian has released the second part of the Edward Snowden interviews with Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras. Snowden contemplates the reaction from the US government to his revelations and gets their play-book eerily correct.
Recorded in Hong Kong on June 6th 2013: Snowden Interview Part 2
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Then what you've seen & heard is more than 8 years out of date. Accused muslim / arabs should have died in the process yet lived, who allegedly were in exploding planes. Israelis were caught filming the collapses & dancing in celebration. Solid evidence shows an insurance scam behind WTC 1,2 and 7 by the owner and guess what - he's not an arab / moslem / muslim.
> Snowden and wikileaks are hand in glove; both are tools of the spy agencies.
Exactly. The same people that bough the official 9/11 story will also buy Wikileaks and Snowden.
"In summary Assange's lawyer is a high profile establishment lawyer whose law firm works for the Rothschilds."
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/blog/sullivan/wikileaks-assanges-lawyer...
They can't leak what isn't leaked TO them. How do you imagine actual information of high value would get delivered TO Wikileaks? Who has it? Precious few & probably any who'd blow the whistle were shot in the head in the first 2 hours to 24 hours, much less years later.
again, at risk of repeating myself, for a much more revealing interview than snowden, please check on what russ tice is getting off his chest under cover of the snowden affair. the real shit-
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/tag/podcast-episode/
+1000 put. I just don't get it. If people (and I'd like to think ZH'ers are at least somewhat clued in/interested), Russ Tice's info would make everyone forget Mr. Snowden in a heartbeat.
We hear more from a shadowy figure who probably doesn't exist than we hear from our own "leaders" these days.
No embed? WTF? It's shit like that which worries me but I agree with what Snowden said. Isn't what Snowden said the same as what we have been saying for years?
If you're somewhat of a threat to TPTB, the media will character assassinate you (Snowden).
If you're a significant threat, the media will flat out ignore you (Sibel Edmonds and Ron Paul).
You don't have an expectation of privacy in public places .... the internet is kind of public .... do you want draconian Chinese monitoring and intervention .... or a more laid back .... let it happen .... but good people are watching .... of the two choices we have .... I'll take the second .... Snowjob didn't convince me any more than Assange did .... ego punks .... selfish for their 15 minutes of fame !
I agree with this assertion.
"You don't have an expectation of privacy in public places"
Yes, so let us use it against them. Are you ready to go? I was thinking of a public hunger strike. Peaceful in nature.
Everyone who can spy .... IS .... spying .... except us big hearted Yanks .... come on ?
I have hoped and prayed that they were spying on me the whole time I've been on the Interwebs.(circa 1995)
I have never changed my position and that is what they really fear. One thing is for sure, I am not changing positions today either.
I have paid a heavy toll for my libertarianism so far. Get that fact through your head sooner rather than later before another fact that travels at 2800 FPS travels through your head.
Sparkling clear enough?
"You don't have an expectation of privacy in public places"
Your assertion is based on a faulty premise...
- Who says that the Internet is a public place?
- Who says that a Skype call I make is a public place?
- Who says that my e-mails exist in a public place?
Just because government has the technical ability to suck up all my metadata - and very likely the contents too - does not mean all these exchanges exist in a public place and that I have no right to privacy. You might just as well say that if I have the tech ability to access the NSA computer systems, that they exist in a public place and the NSA has no right to privacy.
If you knew just how insecure the network infrastructure, software,came protocols really are, particularly in the hands of the NSA, you'd work under the assumption that it's a public place. From the perspective of "how easy is it to guaranty privacy here" it is even worse than any public place, because unlike your face-to-face spoken words, the data can be captured, duplicated, and stored indefinitely at essentially no cost by the very nature of the system.
If you ever thought it wasn't a de facto public place, let this be your very
late wake-up call. The systems are all insecure BY DESIGN. The attempts to secure them are just so much duct tape and bailing wire. Nothing short of a total redesign of all computer hardware and operating systems could solve the problem - and you better believe the NSA possesses such technology, secure by nature, not secure by accident.
Sure, believe me, I know a thing or two about network & computer security...I have never believed - as Obama claims - that the NSA (& UK GCHQ) are only collecting metadata because that requires more algo effort than collecting the whole contents. What they do with the contents is another matter. I don't know.
My previous comments were not naively about how easy it maybe for the NSA to spy on peoples' Internet traffic. They were about what level of privacy people are entitled to expect when using it. And I fully accept that the Internet is a publicly accessible network. But private traffic (e-mails/Skype calls/Google searches et al) between two individuals or between an individual and server on the Internet should be exactly that: private, and not subject to state surveillance.
I do not accept - just because the NSA and UK GCHQ have the technical capability to steal my e-mail/skype communications - that they should go ahead and do so. I demand privacy from State surveillance and I demand that governments account for their activities.
We're in the murky world of "just because the state CAN do something, doesn't mean that it should".
And it's not just the state who is up to this. I recently commented on ZH that Microsoft's latest IE Browser v8 doesn't simply contain "spyware", "snoopware" or "call-homeware" but "THIEFWARE" (aka SmartScreen).
I am astonished that legal action has not already been taken against Microsoft.
Eh... Nope.
Company servers are not public.
They are very definitely kept behind locked doors.
Internet hubs are very definitely not public, they are also kept behind locked doors.
In fact the only point at which my communication with Zero Hedge for example is made "public" is when they publish the text on their web site.
Nonsense.
And stop this .... they lied to us .... this is a dangerous world .... get up to speed .... they lied to us about the Manhattan project .... and I'm damn glad they did ! I'm more concerned about election fraud ! BTW .... here are the choices .... do you want Huffington Post .... where they pre-screen your posts .... or do you want ZeroHedge animal style .... say what you want .... get it out there .... if it's really sucky .... the mods will take it down .... those are our realistic choices .... grow up .... it's a dangerous world .... we are at war .... loose lips sink ships !
You sure love that government cock, don't you? Just cant get enough.
I'm not happy about this .... but, it ain't gonna stop .... hell, these clowns can't balance the budget .... I'm pretty outspoken .... I haven't been silenc****click+++++++++++++++++(dial tone)++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ !
Perhaps Mr. Banzai would do something reminding us of Third Reich poster such as "Feind hort Mit". At least WE here know who the "Feind" is.
He seems honest, it's not that hard to spot someone lying on camera. But it's very hard to lie and get away with it.
He seemed a little too full of himself .... cocky .... smug .... had a haughty aire of liberal superiority .... and wounded sensibility .... I don't know .... something doesn't sit right .... it's my female intuition .... I better go take some Android testosterone enhancer ! Why don't we get whistle blowers on election fraud and stuff like that ?
Government doesn't seem to gain more than it loses from this guy. I haven't seen anyone prove me otherwise. Besides it sounds ridiculous to me that he would be hired by government to fake this whole thing. Remember that in both cases his life would be over, why would anyone give up their life for gov? Makes no sense.
He's obviously smart and he sounds like a principled guy with a mission. People always want to believe in conspiracies, but to me it first has to make sense to even be considered. This is bad for the Obama administration not good.
< - Snowden exists. He's a hero. We're all saved!
< - There's more evidence for the existence of the Easter Bunny than there is for Edward Snowden.
+1 Roddy. Whoever the fuck is downvoting you ought to stop and think for a moment. Your concerns are valid and deserve discussion and not just red arrows.
Let them red arrow all they want. It'll make me feel that much better in six months when we revisit this story, after everyone's forgotten about Ed because the Rothschilds have nuked some American city or another and blamed it on Iran or another convenient scapegoat.
I hear you AOOB. Everyone wants to believe that there might be some hope. I understand that desire. There can be a solution but it is going to take a great deal of effort. I really do not think that most people understand what is at stake. When I say that, I mean people on both sides of this mess. We are saying ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Fucking downvote me for that then too but remember that I am far more heavily armed than the average blogger.
I called for a peaceful hunger strike and nothing else. For as fat assed as so many Mericans are these days we might have to wait a while.
One can construct an argument to claim that Snowden doesn't exist in the way we've been lead to believe because he hasn't been seen for several weeks. It's also possible he did exist and has already been secretly caught by Obama's people and moved somewhere. It is also very possible that he's in a secret safe house provided by WikiLeaks or the Russians until his travel arrangements are finalised and he arrives in a safe country. Even then it may be a while before he appears on TV.
Personally, I think it's too early to make any claim on any of this yet.
Seems to me both answers are wrong!
Yes, he exists; but we're certainly not saved.
> Yes, he exists
I see no proof of this. I do see Bruce Fein representing a guy that communicates with the world via third parties.
Bruce Fein has been engaged by the father.
And you believe that?
He basically says that microsoft operating systems allow the NSA direct access to anything on your hard drive.
Yes. Nothing new. They (MS)wrote a special manual that was leaked to Kryptome (sp?) that told the Man where the door is and how to work it
Indeed. I recall a certain Aurora ex-spicerunner going on and on like a 'genius' about how nothing can be secured only to reveal he's running Windows, and while accusing me of "already being compromised" because I can see everything running and nothing is there I didn't put there... he didn't understand my system is compiled from source, Linux.
I'm sure a hard enough intrusion will get data to push through the system but to RUN things? Oh hellz no. If it isn't compiled by me it doesn't ever execute.
I hear you. I wasn't always so enlightened. I work in IT and have MCSE certifications going back to WinNT up to current versions (and beta), throw in some light Cisco (not my cup of tea), Solaris and a shit ton of VMware ( what I do now). I used to be such a miserable pathetic Microsoft fanboy, it's embarrassing to even think about it. Once I saw that manual that MS put out, that was it. I got BORN AGAIN hard for Linux. Note that where Microsoft explicitly provides a book to the Man about how to own your ass, Linux (and assorted flavors) put out tons of papers on how to keep his ass out. Those guys live for doing just that, and you should love them for it.
I've used kits that turn Windows boxes to absolute gooey mush. Windows boxes will spread like a prom date. You can get a much much harder config w/ Linux.
But what keeps me awake at night isn't so much the OS, it's the hardware.
I don't trust a single motherboard or chipset made in the last 10 yrs.
Actually, go re-read what I wrote. I was clearly referencing this Snowden level of stuff, rather than the (obvious) open nature of Windows.
I did understand that you were running Linux etc, and were running certain stuff (I think I referred to it as "being a tech ninja") - I was making an entirely different point. Go re-read what I wrote, and think about it in relation to today.
And you CERTAINLY didn't understand the references (and links, and video) of what that BlackHat was saying (about flashing ROMs through techniques you can't see running, against linux machines). I'd suggest contacting him (not me, I never claimed to be a tech ninja and made it very clear by saying I ran windows) and discussing it.
Seriously. Contact him, stop throwing poo. +1 anyhow for the humor, although you missed mine - the entire point was to make a stupid comment with a link to a pro, so you'd ignore me and talk to the pro. You're supposed to take the piss out of me; if your reaction isn't to seek out the wisdom of a blackhat pro, but to make fun of the messenger, you've already lost. Instead, you're sitting there still thinking you're safe, and insulting me is going to improve anything but your own ego.
Fuck me you people don't do META. (And please, Totalitarianised - don't bother jumping in with "I have no sense of humor, blah blah blah" - we get it already; you don't get what I'm doing, I understand what you're doing. Neither of us is going to change, and if you think this is a competition of Egos, you're playing the wrong Game.
The founding fathers studied the writings of Locke and Montesquieu who believed that people have natural rights and government is given its power by the people, not the other way around so they designed the constitution around their beliefs in human nature and one of those beliefs is that if any person or entity is allowed to have enough uncontested, unchecked power with no oversight, they surely will abuse it. They believed in freedom of the press. So here we are 250 years later and their worst fears have come to fruition as the NSA, IRS, EPA, DOJ and every other acronym agency, have been allowed to avoid the constitution and been allowed to go virtually uncontested in part due to activist FISA judges, activist courts, cronyism, entrenched political dynasties (ie Bush, Clinton, Kennedy), govt. control of the press (ie James Rosen) and centralized everything. >http://www.conservapedia.com/James_Madison
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jefferson/jefffed.html
And the Constitution wanted people to go to Congress and serve one term, then return home as a citizen...so no man could be a despot, and every man should be happy to live among his own people, rather than rule over them as money lords, monarchs or vatican.
The original Constituion and Bill of Rights is the only thing that stands between us and tyranny.
We want terrorists to live like the Unabomber .... and not have the convenience and comforts of good people .... this requires a little surveilance .... like it or not !
Slurp, slurp, slurp.
Rothschilds Want Iran's Banks | Big Black - Bad Penny
Pulling the derivatives debt rubber band crisis can work in two ways; success or collapse. I think many understand the achievement ratio, ignoring defeat is best served by placing your head in the sand.
Good call Atomizer.
With credit to you Atomizer:
http://www.boatingaccidentnews.com/bank-of-iran/
And the Fed is not a private bank ..... Hell, your neighbourhood bank isn't private .... regulations, bail outs, student loans, government charters etc. etc. !
Your call .... may be recorded .... for training and quality control !
imagine that... and all those years I thought they were training the reps at the other end. The training is at the NSA and they will come to me one day and give me heck for my unqualified comments during the call. That is what their quality control is all about!
Drag net is in place.
I think this is all simple to explain. NSA and all gov agencies have a Santa complex and all the people want to believe in Santa and that Santa is good. Many people of all faiths are accustomed to the idea of a jolly magical pot-bellied alcoholic cookie addict knowing all they do all year long.
They are just making a list and checking it twice. All they want is to find out who is naught and nice. See Satan is your friend.
Santa lives in the Snow...Snowden...I think I'm onto something.
Snowball never learned that on the farm all animals are created equal, some are just more equal than others.
Remember when all you had to do was opt for inclusion on a Do-Not-Call list to protect yourself from phone companies selling you out to people who incessantly and annoyingly invaded your privacy?
I think that was way back in the late 1990’s. Wow, look how far we’ve come.
Another scandal is brewing / cover up
The offices of a Dallas law firm representing a high-profile State Department whistleblower were broken into last weekend. Burglars stole three computers and broke into the firm's file cabinets. But silver bars, video equipment and other valuables were left untouched, according to local Fox affiliate KDFW, which aired security camera footage of the suspected burglars entering and leaving the offices around the time of the incident.
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/07/07/cameras_catch_mystery...
In trying to decide whether I think Snowden is a plant, the question I ask is "what purpose is served, or what advantage is gained, through the disclosures?".
I come up with 3 answers:
1) To gauge the reaction of US populace, specifically, to identify and measure the level of domestic outrage (not much, as far as I can tell). This allows TPTB to measure the extent and efficacy of their control / the populace's subservience. Just as Boston was intended to measure the extent to which the populace of a large, densely populated metropolitan area will peacefully abide martial law.
2) To create public support for increased, overt domestic surveillance in connection with a domestic crisis (which may occur due to the laws of math in the form of financial crisis, or else a "false flag" event). "We need to monitor everyone for the public's welfare and safety." I suspect the next step will be to develop a punishment/reward system for informing on your neighbors, a-la East Germany and the former Soviet Union.
3) To gauge the reaction of all of the nations we're spying on to see (a) which ones can maintain suppression of any dissent and will remain allies when the global SHTF begins in earnest (as has been proven the case with France and those nations who blocked the Bolivian president's plane -- France is Exhibit A - they are taking it in the ass and will do whatever the US tells them to do), and (b) which nations TPTB need to focus on painting as The Enemy in connection with global SHTF (since we all know that a key aspect of maintaining domestic control in a crisis is giving the populace an external bogeyman to blame).
As much as I would like to believe Snowden is the real deal, I do not think he would have come forward in such a public manner unless he had information that was so explosive that it would trigger systemically changing reactions. I just don't see a person of his poise making himself marked for death over what boils down to what was already known, or at least assumed by anyone who has followed domestic spying over years -- basically, that the government reads your Gmail and analyzes your credit card purchases.
My recollection is that Snowden said he wanted to expose systems and practices, and not people, so that people wouldn't get hurt. So far, he hasn't really done even that. In my estimate, if Snowden was legitimate, the types of practices/systems that would be worth becoming a dead man walking over would be (in no particular order):
• programs whereby government and military personnel are blackmailed
• capabilities regarding code breaking -- what types and levels of encryption can TPTB currently crack?
• capabilities regarding infiltration and remote control of systems (energy grid, Internet kill switches, remote hijacking of planes, cars, ships, etc.)
Think of the effect on e-commerce if it were known that none or almost none of the standard encryption protocols were actual secure. Or the effect on airline travel if it were confirmed that anyone with the know how could remotely hijack an airliner or a train. Because if the USA can do it, it is probably safe to assume that other regimes can too, or can at least credibly threaten to do so. And if just 5-10% of people stopped buying stuff online, or stopped flying, that would have a meaningful negative impact on commerce, which would have a definite impact to the ailing global economy.
So, in short, I am currently in the camp that believes Snowden is a plant, because the "revelations" are not commensurate with the risks he took. I could be wrong - there are a lot of really smart, articulate "messiah" types, but I don't have any basis to conclude that fits here.
Snowden is an operation designed for a few purposes but the primary one is this: to destroy the credibility of the political apparatus in DC. Mission accomplished. The NSA, the US Congress and POTUS are now in the margins. They now have zero cred on the world stage.
Untouched in this whole mess: The Money Powers, Bibi Netanyahu and their spy shop, the CIA.
And the dipshit goyim will still buy any goddam thing put in front of them.
You got that right, brother.
Prepare to defend you and yours; your money in particular.
Monarchists, Vatican, Zionists, House of the Saud the creation of the monarchist zionist vatican Britain are all monopolists...now afraid that their game is bust.
It is. More fool them. Let them die with their own.
My money. My land. My people. This I will defend, not their monarchy, vatican, zionist, House of Saud...a new fangled, hateful warmongering Internationale...no friend to any nation. They are simply failed money grubbing, warmongering career politicans, unworthy of the USA or any other people.
We have tolerated a brat class of career politicians and failed banks, whereas we should only support winners, proven by their actions, not losers, scamming off all with their pretty words.
> Prepare to defend you and yours; your money in particular.
I have metal. Paper will go back to its original value - zero - when the Monopoly attacks us in earnest. I keep only enough paper to interact with The State whenever I have to go through the inconvenience on having to deal one with of their Excellencies in the government/corporate game they love to make us play.
The best thing we can do is prepare and then look out for our family, friends and neighbors when the top blows.
True again, brother.
On a long enough timeline...
Believing in family, community and honesty is better than dying without any belief.
Money makes the world go round, and love makes the trip worthwhile.
Physical gold and silver; a very good thing.
Re: reaction gauging, see Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars. All about 'shock testing', electrical engineering concepts applied to societal control.
There's no end to the conspiracy theories one can come up with. But in the end, many just do it as a form of self-entertainment.
This is the first plant comment I read that makes sense. I was in Snowden's camp till I read this.
Now there is doubt...
Where is he and what about the info releases?
What happened to Venuzuela's offer which expires today?
Something is not adding up.
Do you really think an agency like the NSA wants to draw attention to itself in anyway? That's like saying SEAL Team-6 is waiting to receive their awards on national tv at the whitehouse. DUH!
No, I don't think the NSA desires the publicity.
However, we do know now the population as a whole really is not making too much of a noise don't we?
Most could care less or have "nothing to hide".
I am not liking the direction this is going. There should be a major uproar, but there isn't any.
Operation Paperclip brought Nazis into the USA, and the CIA assists, after Western banksters funded Hitler and he failed, and they resumed their mission in South America.
The NSA is full on Nazi. So is the CIA. Pretty pets in CONgress are owned by the un-Federal no-Reserve Bored.
OK. Voters like that.
But my issue is this: career politicans and nazis have failed. Wasting MY money. MY people. MY land.
Prepare to defend your failed statists.
The world is a team effort, and contest of ideas. You are losing, for excusing abject failure.
Snow-den worked for an Israeli owned private security company owned by Carlyle Group.
YOU HAVE BEEN HAD, PAL.
Psy op gibberish.
Bad Tards
bad tards
watcha gonna do
watcha gonna do
when they drool on you
I am becoming very suspicious due to some very well-founded reasons.
Let's wait and see.
It is getting to the point where you need some salt with this caper.
And I would also consider who benefits from spreading the meme that he is a plant.
Over the past decade most whistleblowers have been gagged, marginalized or depicted as tin foil hatters even though most have eventually been proven correct (abuses at Guantanamo, illegal renditions, false pretences for Iraq war, Libor fixing, etc.)
Edward Snowden blasts another out of the ball park. I loooove this shit!
RoCK oN Edward!
I cannot be bothered to read this latest release.
I'm no friend of JPM or GS, but do pay attention to the fact that Snowden reveals nothing that wasn't known already, he has offers of asylum from certain countries and declines their asylym in countries owned by his CIA Nazi employer, but he still spouts stuff which was known before, but only now the main scream media owned by a few families promote him
Al-CIAda, the Nazis brought into the USA under Operation Paperclip. Prepare to defend yourself, your clients, your money.
Snowed in goes East. Who went West? Snowed in goes North. Who went South?
O'bomba/Kerry pets, and the Internationale which wants your money. The Nazionists who care nothing for jews, christians, muslims and do so very much like their creation: the House of Saud, and hate the Far East, the world's oldest continuous civilisations (used by Apple, Microsoft slave labor)... and the USA, the Constitution, the new Republic which they also want to make slaves.
On a long enough timeline...
Is it conceivable that HE thought this was groundbreaking stuff because HE never heard about it until he saw it firsthand? I know foreign media has already blown the lid off the universal wiretap, but maybe Snowden hadn't been doing his homework? Not many people do..
(edit)I mean the focus seems to be entirely on what he *hasn't* said/revealed.. Wouldn't it be a simple explanation that he said what he knew, which happens to be less than everyone here expects him to have known?
Very likely, 'Morla'. He is a useful idiot or educated fool, as nazionists - the
AshkeNAZI - describe such folk.
It wouldn't be hard for a group of wily old spy dudes to fool an idealistic 29 year-old.
True, 'alloutofbubblegum',
Traders and others should beware.
Iceland declined Snow-den. Good. Do the same.
But "it wouldn't be hard" doesn't mean that's how it went down. Snowden could be legit, just not the all-knowing conspiracy scholar everyone here is hoping for.
I don't know, myself, I just don't think "Why didn't he say A, B, or C?" automatically indicates a calculated omission.
Both Snowden and Manning witnessed crimes and had a duty to speak out, he says. Defenders of the NSA programs say the Patriot Act makes them legal, though whether they violate the Constitution’s 4th Amendment against unwarranted searches and seizures will be decided by the courts after a lawsuit lodged by the American Civil Liberties Union. Other suits may follow.
Here's the story ....Snowden's Common Law Defense by Joe Lauria http://wp.me/p5qmX-CnX via @DandelionSalads
Violating the Constitution seems to be a habit of CONgress, the pets of lobbyists, serving their Internationale.
Game over. They are bust. Let them die with their lies, and yes, hold them accountable under the Constitution. One for all; all for one. Anyone who dislikes the Constitution should leave immediately.
We should remember that that un-Federal no-Reserve Board was founded by international financiers who want to own all, and don't care who dies for their Internationale, freak failed globalist agenda which blew up in 2008...yet they want their money, no matter if they kill their high ranking managers in the process, Blankfein and Dmon in particular...an ongoing slow death for GS and JPM.
gotta love the kid ..... but seven pages of replies and still no mention of russ tice? -they are winning.
Accurate, however money is what politics is not. Useful. I'm unhappy with the GS JPM politically active managers, but I don't blame them for the failings of the Internationale who employ them. Life is evolution, not revolution which always fails.
Blankfein, Dimon and Bernanke do as they are told. The strategy failed. They simply followed orders.
Too much corruption and lies are given the label "National Sekurity"(sic) to hide them from the American public... probably 75% is bullsh*t-the other 25% might be of real National Security....
Snowden and Assange are Heroes
I have my doubts that Snowden ever went to Russia. You have to wonder why he was not sighted by a single passenger or reporter. http://rt.com/news/snowden-fly-moscow-aeroflot-125/
He could've gone out into international waters, he could've docked at one of the many islands surrounding Hong Kong. Or, he may never have been in Hong Kong in the first place. (Deflection.) His reporter pals at the Guardian may have done him a favor by adding that intro to the video interview showing a Hong Kong scene with the words "Hong Kong" overlaid on it. HK could've gone along with the ruse, given they're affronted by the NSA scandal, and they could've simply decided to say "He left through normal channels."
The Guardian is subject to UK law and could mount a successful public interest defence if challenged.
Also the Official Secrets Act does not apply to foreign intelligence services so Snowden has not committed any crime within the UK.
Snowden is an intelligent operator and has obviously learnt from Manning's errors. He has outwitted the US Govt. at every stage and has a long life ahead of him.