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Overnight In Egypt, Or Preparing For The Counter Coup
As we expected, with massive crowds gathering on both sides of the Egyptian coup outcome, it would be a night of violence and death. Sure enough, this is precisely what happened.
A first-person's narrative on the Egyptian events courtesy of Mohannad Sabry:
Total crackdown by military on rep guards rally, spec ops are rounding the MB rally
— Mohannad Sabry (@mmsabry) July 8, 2013
Gun battles at rep guards base and rabaa
— Mohannad Sabry (@mmsabry) July 8, 2013
Spec ops are shooting, chasing and making arrests.
— Mohannad Sabry (@mmsabry) July 8, 2013
Gehad el-Haddad tells me dozens of injured and killed, all live ammo, ambulances are kept out.
— Mohannad Sabry (@mmsabry) July 8, 2013
Gehad Haddad tells me on phone he is taking photos of dozens of inj and killed at a bloody scene at rabaa pro Morsi rally.
— Mohannad Sabry (@mmsabry) July 8, 2013
Gehad Haddad tells me men are holding human shield around families and children.
— Mohannad Sabry (@mmsabry) July 8, 2013
Eastern Cairo is a military zone, hundreds of spec ops reinforcements.
— Mohannad Sabry (@mmsabry) July 8, 2013
Ambulances are running everywhere, don't know where to, cannot access what sounds like a war zone.
— Mohannad Sabry (@mmsabry) July 8, 2013
Two ambulances were turned back in front of me right now, military barricade is impenetrable.
— Mohannad Sabry (@mmsabry) July 8, 2013
Rabaa field hospital says 35 dead and more than 140 inj so far, dosnt include those taken to hospitals, all live ammo
— Mohannad Sabry (@mmsabry) July 8, 2013
I am outta there, no access, military knows us at both entrances of the SSalem and Autostrad, stopped us once, too risky & fruitless.
— Mohannad Sabry (@mmsabry) July 8, 2013
And the official recap, via the WSJ:
At least 42 people were killed and 332 were injured in a gunfight between soldiers and supporters of ousted president Mohammed Morsi that sharply raised the temperature in the brewing conflict between Egyptian secularists and Islamists.
In statements issued immediately after Monday's attack, the Muslim Brotherhood, which backed Mr. Morsi, said soldiers opened fire with live ammunition on pro-Morsi protesters as they performed the dawn prayer. The group called the killings a "massacre" and called on its followers to launch an "uprising" against "those who stole the revolution"—a thinly veiled reference to Egypt's military.
Military spokesmen told the Associated Press that gunmen opened fire on troops at the building, killing at least five supporters of Mr. Morsi and one officer. The different accounts couldn't be reconciled.
The death toll was reported by state television. At least one soldier was killed in the skirmish, according to Mena, Egypt's state news agency.
Jilted by a popular military coup that ousted Mr. Morsi from his office five days ago, the Brotherhood has been holding regular protests outside the Republican Guard Club, where Mr. Morsi is thought to be held.
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Both sides of the conflict grappled to identify themselves as victims of Monday's shootings. The Brotherhood emailed links to YouTube videos that showed civilian victims being carried away from the scene of the shooting in the predawn darkness. Egyptian state television ran footage that showed civilians firing handguns at soldiers and police officers while claiming that the soldiers in front of the Republican Guard Club had acted in self-defense.
As Egyptians awoke on Monday, the early morning violence was already damaging the military-backed government's claims that last week's coup answered to the unified wishes of the Egyptian public. The spokesman for the Nour Party, which represents Salafi Islamist politicians and was the only Islamist group to back the military coup, announced on his Facebook FB -0.62% page Monday morning that it was pulling out of negotiations over a new government in protest over the killings.
"We will not be silent on the massacre at the Republican Guard today," said Nadar al Bakkar. "We wanted to stop the bloodshed, but now the blood is being shed in rivers. We withdraw from all talks with the new government."
As reports of the shootings flooded in on Monday morning, the violence looked set to escalate. The Freedom and Justice Party, the Brotherhood's political arm, called on the "great Egyptian people to rise up against those who want to steal their revolution."
So how long until the counter-counter-coup, or the counter-counter-revolution, depending on one's ideological bent...
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No worries.....the State Department is all over this!
If it gets too bad we'll send a helo to get Kerry from the yacht.
Nahh. he'll just wind-surf over there ..
'Charlie DONT surf!'
Call the Nobel committee, they might have to give Obama another award for this.
The President's triumphal return to Cairo. "EYE will be your President now too!"
I think he's holding out for 'ayatollah'.
You see that?
Yeah, it's really exciting, man.
No, no, the waves!
Oh, right.
Look at that, breaks both ways.
I just hope we install the new brutal dictator quickly. He will need time to crush all insurgency and freedoms to get that country back to normal. I have a trip planned to see the pyramids next year and I need all this "democracy" over before I visit. My American flag shorts and fanny pack are all ready to go. Wouldn't want to cancel the trip.
A civil war against a US-funded army, right next door to Israel.
What could go wrong?
But this exactly what the Obamanoids, big oil and big banks WANT to happen to distract us from the Obamacare clusterfuck, the sequester, the taper, to pump up oil prices and most of all keep the defense dept well funded to prop up what's left of US manufacturing.
They always want war. No one should take it personally. It's just business.
Moar dead muslims!
Exactly! There is goodness to be found...
"A civil war against a US-funded army, right next door to Israel."
Ah yes, "civil war" sounds so much better than "military coup".
Beta testing it before bringing it back to the states. The'll want all the bugs out of it before then.
Yep, they will always do a dry run before the real thing.
OKC bombing -> 9/11
Cyprus -> ???
Egypt - > ???
"Beta testing it before bringing it back to the states. The'll want all the bugs out of it before then."
Then they'd better drop off 310 million firearms for the civilian population, watch carefully what happens when there is no front line or "green zone", and come up with a better plan.
Check your reading comprehension, seems like you must be a public school graduate.
israel is happier then ever before. they can't wait to start a new land grab. the greater israel
US will be arming the rebels .....
Exactly which side is the rebels again?
The Egyptian rebels are those who fight for THE people and Obama's rebels are those who fight against HIS people.
But which are the cannibals? That is the question!
obama's rebels
They're checking with Bibi now to find out.
Half the Equipment of the Egyptian Army comes from thus US...those M113 APC on CNN sure look familiar.
Yes, they were direct-shipped from Saigon.
Them are just fine. Low mileage. only abandoned in one counter-insurgency.
...and the intl bankers will be arming all sides.
The most proven way to control the outcome of a conflict is to control both sides.
AS OBAMA WOULD SAY: LET'S BRING DOWN SOME DEMOCRACY ON THEIR ASSES SO WE'LL NEVER HEAR FROM THEM EVER AGAIN!!
"If you have a military take-over...
You didn't counter-coup that!
Someone else did!"
Actually I am working for the peace keeping Mulitnational Force and Observers in the Sinai - and the sheer amount of sensationalist rubbish the media is creating is beyound disgusting.From twitter BS to the Cartoon
News Network it seems everyone wants a distraction off the bond market.
True that. Egypt will soon be forgotten once earnings start hitting the wire. In the meantime, the oil cartel is juicing this story to the max.
+1. put your angle into the fray, then. but do you get a good idea of how things are going in Cairo and Alexandria from your base in Sinai?
So far the demonstrations from opposing sides in both locations seem to be ok.
Getting to and from the Sinai is currently difficult but that is because of insurgents and gaza smugglers which the army is cleaning out.
We get updates every day but as for my angle - i have to keep that to myself as it is part of the job.
Not useful...
yes, you get updates, but a lot of them are from the Egyptian military - the third part in this conflict about hearts and minds. while I do tend to believe them that most demonstrations are "ok" nevertheless it would be an understandable bias from them to think so - it's after all their "job", or at least their mission to currently project a "calm an stability" aura around them
can you at least comment how it is to work for an international outfit that is in everything except name an UN mission? If I were in a nasty mood I'd ask you what you would answer to some critics who would like to portray your task as part of a siege on Gaza
anyway, take care. I wish you to eventually come back whole and sane
No, actually the updates come directly for our own MFO observation posts, which are there to monitor the peace treaty between Isreal and Egypt as part of that agreement.
As for gaza, the closet obervation post is over 10 kilometers from it and it is also across the border , so its bit hard to blame us for aiding the seige when we are not even near there.
We don't get involved in anything other than obsevation / watching for treaty violations between both states.
We are observers only, so far both countries have had over 32 years of peace.
"both countries have had over 32 years of peace"
See how these fucking moron shills talk? Unfuckingbelievable. No place on earth has had 32 years of peace, fool.
That treaty is a pile of cheesepope vomit. Fuck Israel.
Charming. Let me guess: you are neither an Israeli nor an Egyptian, nevertheless you wish them to go to war? Meanwhile you call a guy that apparently monitors a border a "fucking moron shill"? The funniest part might be that he does not wear a blue UN helmet so that your tender sensibilities might not get hurt.
Mursi’s downfall impacts on US campaign for regime change in Syria By Chris Marsden8 July 2013
The July 3 army coup that brought down Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi and his Muslim Brotherhood-backed government has significant ramifications for US imperialism’s campaign to depose Syria’s Bashar al-Assad.
The US cultivation of the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamist forces as the basis for securing its interest throughout the Middle East now threatens to spread civil war conditions to Egypt itself.
The Egyptian military has stood fully behind US efforts at regime change—first in Libya and now Syria—reliant as it is upon Washington for its existence. However, the military was concerned with the Brotherhood openly casting the Syrian war as a jihad, particularly amid rising popular opposition to Mursi’s pro-US stance in Egypt, where the Islamists and the army leadership represent powerful rival sections of the capitalist class.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/07/08/syri-j08.html
It's NOT bad news for Obama. It just means that his "PR" can put in overtime.
Yeah, send out that mercenary liar Jen Psaki to stare into the camera with a straight face whilst prevaricating propagandisticly on behalf of the Gubmint to the peeps...
Finally .... some blood and guts news .... get tired of all that economic crap !
Hillary for special envoy so she can understand how young American men and women feel on daily basis in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The Egyptian military, if it is not being guided by the USA, should have deposed Morsi and then asked the Egyptian Brotherhood to provide the nation with a new leader as a preliminary step towards fresh elections etc.
By imposing their candidate it is insulting that portion of the Egyptian population which rightly or wrongly voted for Morsi's party.
Team Obama's cannibals and bomb throwers are going down hard. It is sad when the US president actively puts Muslim radicals in power all over the ME, while feeding guns to Mexican border militants. I am starting to think Obama has bad things planned for the USA.
It is sad .... when the US President .... is a Muslim radical ? www.obamasrealfather.com
He should probably chill before the people who put him in power take him out. No one wants the shit he is starting. He has gone off the reservation. The plan was Fascism, not Sharia.
Please. He's not making any of his own decisions.
"The plan was Fascism, not Sharia."
"The plan is Facism and Shariah"
Fixed it.
"Was the goat herding Kenyan father only a fairy tale to obscure a Marxist agenda, irreconcilable with American values?"
A Marxist agenda irreconcilable with American values?
Hahahahhahaa! American values are whatever the MSM and government say they are. There is no ideology these craven sheep wouldn't gladly accept, as long as it keeps the good times a-rollin', they couldn't possibly care less.
Insofar as Marxism is about taking over the state and "using" it for socialist ends (during the pre-utopian phase), and insofar as idiots have perverted "socialist" to mean "social-democratic (progressive, populist)" - which is to say, entirely, to the point that socialists everywhere themselves use compatible definitions - it is perfectly reconcilable with any lazy, greedy, handout-loving, authority-worshipping, economically ignorant or misinformed, ends-justify-means society. I can name a few...
Obama looks more like Louis Farrakan than Malcolm X.
Is there a Peace prize in the offing for Obozo....oh wait, my bad.
You only get to participate if you have a score of 50.000 death kids and 250.000 death adults.
But the comite is keeping score and will offer updates. When you're at 50% of your target you get to be man of the year in times magazine.
Peace Prize for Planned Parenthood !
In that case, somebody owes the cheesepopes and communists a boatload of Peace Prizes.
......I keep getting the visual of his speech in Cairo Egypt proclaiming a new age of change and peace in the region on top of his winning of the Nobel Peace prize...
What an absolute phony, liar, anti-American POS Obama is !!!!!!
He deserves to come under fire for backing Morsi and the muslim brotherhood as well as all of his failed foreign policy actions - most importantly Benghazi !
+1 thank you. I totally forgot about that cairo speech. Amazing the turn around from the time of that speech.
HEY!!! YOU VOTED FOR HIS ASS!!
Would like to have the daily tally of Obama bumper stickers quietly scraped off under the cover of darkness...
Hope & Change? Scrape & Wipe...
Maybe a few dozen, cumulatively.
You overestimate people, and underestimate their emotional investment in the O brand.
No I did not. Only the Congressman from Texas.
Goldmans doing its work, must be why the stocks are going up.
So much for controlled opposition and controlled "friendly" dictators, when the real objective was to take Iran and Syria out through the "Muslim Spring" the effect they achieved is the exact opposite and now the Jeanie won't get back into the bottle, another "win" the US foreign policy
Off topic, but still no pix of Snowden.
Be sure to read today's WaPo piece 'Snowden Was Right to Run' by Daniel Ellsburg. Will try to get link - must read
Here: http://m.washingtonpost.com/opinions/daniel-ellsberg-nsa-leaker-snowden-...
HE IS SPITTING EVERY SINGLE THING HE KNOWS ABOUT US INTELLIGENCE TO THE RUSSIANS..
AND HE MAY NEVER BE FOUND ALIVE AGAIN...
IF SO, WHO IS GOING TO DEFEND HIM??.. POOR GUY, I TRULY BELIEVE HIS MOTIVES WERE GENUINE HUMAN INTEREST...
the truth needs to get out to the PEOPLE of the world. Its their democratic freedom at stake.
As for teaching the Ruskis : they already know more on Stasi type plays than what the NSA has concocted. Admittedly NSA now has a budget and technology which is awesome for dirty peepholing.
Snowden is not giving them rocket science; so its not vital secrets, its just the plain simple truth of rule bending like never before in the West ; old hat to KGB guys who don't need Snowden to show them how to suck eggs.
What a cynical divide and conquer game is being played out in Egypt.
The US holds the cards/purse strings on the life line of both camps.
After Irak, after Pak/afghan, after Libya, after Syria, now Egypt (rinse and repeated three times), then Iran...the whole middle east patch one big region of "permanent tension strategy" to keep "the natives restless" and who knows, encourage some real shia-sunni herd thinning; all good for the twin pillars of Wahhabite-Zionist Oil patch management for the global Oligarchy.
Keeping in mind that the radicalisation of the region is a CIA encouraged concoction since Mossadegh 1953... rinsed and repeated with compound interest. And those Ayatollahs are such a Godsend! Like venemous flowers having bloomed after 50 years of Britsh Empire nurturing; oh the great game, it certainly left a sinister legacy.
"we don't like head up ass local democrats who think they are free; when we truly need their oil and our way of life is non negotiable; whereas theirs is "up for grabs and they will stay in the drab, blood stained medieval past".
From Balfour-Churchill to Dulles-Rumsfeld-Cheney-Obama...one straight narrow line covered in blood red, shouting "you're better dead than Moscow red."
What we sow we shall reap; but that is not on the radar of the one eyed leading the blind; kings of our current world order.
We lurch from crisis to crisis like it were part of "status quo" scenario for the decades to come. Play on land of the Oligarchs.
The nihilists have been unleashed, but where are the atheists?
Like you said, Divide and Conquer.
You think the same thing hasn't been done in America?
People are divided by politics, race, sex, region, religion, occupation... Thats why the first step in winning the information war is coming to a concensus on WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. Here on ZH I think we have come mighty close.
It may have started out that way, but now it's completely turned around. Now, Uncle Sugar has no choice but to pay the Egyptian Army if the people that run Uncle Sugar want the canal open and no new chaotic southern front openning up. The trans-Sinai gas pipeline staying in operation is clearly asking/expecting too much. It just blew-up again. Were the Israelis really trying to sue the Egyptians not to long ago over their unhappiness with the negligable uptime the project seems to manage?
The US holds the cards/purse strings on the life line of both camps.
the one eyed...
INTERESTING TO NOTE WHEN THE VIOLENCE ARRIVED IN EGYPT : WHEN THE FANATIC MUSLIMS CAME IN... "NOT A VIOLENT RELIGION", SAID WHO?.. "INTIFADAH" HAS ALREADY BEEN CALLED, WHAT A DRAG WE DON T HAVE THAT IN CHRISTIAN COUNTRIES......
Interesting to note the incredible explosion in the pitch and tenor of Mideast violence since the Anglo-Amero-Zionist (lol cheesepopes) invaded. I guess Protestantism and Judaism are just violent religions...
One sad truth of Egypt and most other Middle East revolutions/Arab Springs (including Syria) is that the civil wars raging are between factions of the same side. IE: they ALL want much more government. The fighting is over which model of totalitarian govt they will have.
Will it be Islamic fascism and Sharia law? or a model of socialism better understood by the west?
NONE of them want a model of small government which leaves them free to persue liberty, free speech and free markets.
The fighting is over which model of totalitarian govt they will have.
They must be republicans and democrats.
They are still in the paradigm where government is good, esp. if you control it, and profit from it.
That too will change. Plus, no real point in small government if your economy is dominated by only a handful of actors, because those economic powers will in effect become the new 'government'. Political reform on its own is limited in its usefulness, esp. in the predicament we find ourselves in (re: wealth inequality, ie. debt slaves vs billionaires)
Smacker - they look around and see every hill is a ruin. The way the US has stirred the pot, it's all gone tribal. They look to a tribal gov for mutual protection.
Maybe the US will evolve/devolve the same way?
That puts them in line with about 90% of the world's population.
Probably true.
The challenge for those of us who believe in freedom is to understand and expose why it is that so many people from all walks of life cannot cope with freedom and liberty, and why it is they look to government to run their lives. take decisions on their behalf and of course dip their snouts into the trough.
A failure on our part to expose Statism for what it is will result in a new Dark Ages. We are traveling down that road...
Yep these people can DEFINITELY be trusted with our full auto American military weapons and heavy armor. You and your 25 round squirrel gun with pistol grip? Not so much. Oh btw, thanks for paying for those full auto weapons and heavy armor to send to these 3rd world rebels/terrorists though.
Signed,
Your US Government.
The real decision facing Obama:
"Should I opt for hoops or golf today?"
What's really sad is that whoever replaces Obama will be worse.
Enjoy this moment of relative peace and prosperity while you can. These are the good old days.
freedom lovers.
this has nothing to do with the mossad,the cia and the mi6.
zero special operatives are on the ground this is vacation time.
this is an internal local matter and has nothing to do with divide and conquer.
george soros is not in on this balkanisation process he is busy with free syria now.
zionism loves the lands of egypt we do not want it damaged because it is are land.
it says so in the bible
honest
Denninger had a good take on why the Morsi government failed - you can't eat the Koran. Radical Islam is a terrible way to govern economic policy. I'm guessing the passionate young men of the Muslim Brotherhood don't know how to keep the lights on.
Denninger is an even bigger tool than I thought, in that case. Someone should inform him that Morsi held power for under a year, whereas Egypt has been in outright decline for decades.
More convoluted smokescreens. The people did not want a CIA dictator. It's that simple. In fact it appears that the only people unclear on how America works are...Americans.
Boy, that escalated quickly... I mean, that really got out of hand fast.
I'm in a glass case of emotion!
MB and Mursi must have been messing with the Army's 'business interests'.
Bad move.
Never forget who butters your pita or you can lose both.
A good lesson for the soon to be new 'secular' Govt. to take to heart.
In Egypt, Team Army always wins the football game.
Beware Thermidore
If you're going to put your life on the line, do it for someone that supports you - the farmers and not some pompous, asshole leader who could give a rat's ass about you. Seriously folks, give it some thought..........