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'Chiraq' Update: Illinois Overturns Ban On Concealed Weapons

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"Following a weekend of horrific violence in Chicago in which at least 70 people were shot and 12 killed, this was the wrong move for public safety in Illinois," Democratic Governor Jim Quinn noted as lawmakers overturned his veto to allow Illinois to become the last state in the US to allow residents to carry concealed handguns. As the BBC reports, the governor warned that the new law will allow people to carry guns in pubs and bars (and carry virtual arsenals on their persons), we suspect, if Chi-raq (the slang for the anarchic gang-ridden areas of Chicago) is any example, that this is already occurring en masse in a wide population of the state. Gun rights proponents, meanwhile, celebrated, "this is a historic, significant day for law-abiding gun owners, they finally get to exercise their Second Amendment rights."

Via BBC,

Illinois has become the last state in the US to allow residents to carry concealed handguns, after lawmakers overrode the governor's veto.




Mr Quinn vigorously opposed a concealed carry law, but the Supreme Court refused to hear an appeal.




On Tuesday, legislators in the House and Senate easily mustered a two-thirds majority needed to override Mr Quinn's veto, barely beating the court deadline.




"Following a weekend of horrific violence in Chicago in which at least 70 people were shot and 12 killed, this was the wrong move for public safety in Illinois," Mr Quinn said in a statement after the vote.


He said legislators had "surrendered" to the National Rifle Association, a powerful gun rights lobby funded in part by weapons manufacturers.

He warned the new law would allow people to carry guns in pubs and bars, and allow people to carry virtual arsenals on their persons.

Gun rights proponents, meanwhile, celebrated.

"This is a historic, significant day for law-abiding gun owners,'' Representative Brandon Harris, a southern Illinois Democrat said, according to the Associated Press.

Referring to the clause in the US constitution that refers to gun ownership, he said, "They finally get to exercise their Second Amendment rights."


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Wed, 07/10/2013 - 21:36 | 3739937 Chupacabra-322
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Lock & load Chicagoens. Just watch how the crime rate drops & blows all the anti gun grabbers arguments of how guns create crime out of the water.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 21:42 | 3739960 maxmad
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Heres the kicker  If you dont have a FOID card already, you're Fuked!

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 21:51 | 3739986 Almost Solvent
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But - guns don't kill people, people kill people.


Once we outlaw people, we'll all be safe!

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 21:57 | 3740006 Bazza McKenzie
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Obama's working on that.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:48 | 3740129 Manthong
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Within 12 months, the gun death rate in the city will drop by half…

Shove that up your butt,  Rahm..

Er.. Rahm that up your butt, Barak.

oo.. oo .. and up your quim,  Quinn...  :-D


Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:48 | 3740198 whotookmyalias
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If they are a shall issue state, they now have it better than many other states including CA and NY.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:13 | 3740280 Manthong
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The new law says that Illinois state police "shall issue" a permit to carry concealed guns to any applicant who passes a background check, takes 16 hours of required firearms training and meets other conditions. The bill would ban guns in some public places such as bars, schools and hospitals

..there is hope left for this state and nation

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:22 | 3740308 KnightTakesKing
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16 hours of training? That's a lot of training.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:35 | 3740343 tsx500
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and don't forget the huge $$ fees for applying and taking the class, etc

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 00:23 | 3740436 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Chiraq (and NY and a few others) could burn to the ground and I would not have a f*ck left to give. Just sayin'. Net benefit to society.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 00:36 | 3740454 fourchan
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outlaw just saying.

and ban muslims from air travel.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 00:47 | 3740477 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Unrealistic, but sadly probably true.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 07:26 | 3740754 JohnnyBriefcase
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Chicongo is a superior name.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:25 | 3740314 Antifaschistische
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Manthong....all other things being equal I would say you're exactly right.   But "all other things" are never equal.

The gun grabbers CAN'T let this happen and you can guarantee something will be manipulated to make sure this doesn't happen.  Either the stats will be manipulated upward, or Obama has the NSA sniping street side drug dealers just to keep the gun crime stats up.   Nothing surprises me any more.


Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:57 | 3740360 Manthong
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understand ..  kind of like LIBOR.. LBE... and the rest of that stuff..

nothing would surprise me anymoar either... but this is a big deal here in the obamanation of the land of Lincoln.  Everything has a price .. 16 hours and a few hundred bucks is a small price to pay for liberty, security and a few degrees moar of protection in an increasingly diverse and unpredictable world. .and for whatever it is worth.. I have sincere prayers that God would not deign  I would ever have to be in a position to even think about shooting at anything other than a target, varmint, or game … just my 2c    ..  have faith.

..and one way ot the other, soon,  the news will be more quiet about the stats in Chi-town.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 01:38 | 3740540 Doubleguns
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Easy to shoot at targets and all,  but when your wife or kid is threatened you can still stand there idle, your choice. I have practiced and intend to shoot. The brudens are heavy but the regrets are heavier. 


Thu, 07/11/2013 - 01:42 | 3740545 Doubleguns
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Oops, missed the part that you pray it never happens. I agree and pray for both of us to never go therer, but like most I will if called upon with no remorse.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 10:07 | 3741248 whirling tword ...
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I used to think that I would defend my property with deadly force.  ( You're able to in Texas if it's after dark )....  Unless all the wheels come off, I'm not sure I would do so anymore after watching the Zimmerman trial.

I may put one or two into the knee caps... or brandish but, I'm pretty sure I would not use deadly force over property with intent to kill.  ( unless the wheels came off or they were inside my home )

I live outside city limits and, I have a lot of equipment outside and on the property.... not sure it would be worth it if I found myself in that situation...

If they're in the house, they're bought and payed for, however.

I hope and pray that never happens....  too much hurt on both sides of that equasion.

Always have and always will be a, "gun nut" though.  Grew up in the shooting sports and still love it.... load my own ( when components are available ) and hope this shortage ends soon....   

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 21:30 | 3743619 Promethus
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Las Vegas rule. What happens on private property stays on private property.Put the body in a wood chipper. Eat the Skittles. Let the fambly file a missing persons report.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 07:41 | 3740777 j0nx
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Chicago's problems are solved by recalling rahm. It's quite obvious to everyone even the MSM that dude has no idea wtf he is doing or how to run a city.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 09:24 | 3741125 1100-TACTICAL-12
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Aint gonna happen it's mostly gang banger anyway they don't give a shit if it's legal or not. It will ultimately help some honest people..

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:00 | 3740015 pods
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Can we please stop this "law-abiding" moniker?

Fucken Orwellian.

I can't count how many laws I broke today, mainly because I have no fucking clue as to how many there are, or how I broke them.

Yet we will all rejoice that our benevolent masters have now allowed us to do something that we told them, SPECIFICALLY, that they may not interfere with.


Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:04 | 3740029 nmewn
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"Yet we will all rejoice that our benevolent masters have now allowed us to do something that we told them, SPECIFICALLY, that they may not interfere with."

+ nine more.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:35 | 3740140 francis_sawyer
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Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, & Firearms


There to protect your right to get drunk, light up, & go shootin'...

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 00:36 | 3740458 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Word. You three are free to speak for me on ZH if I'm absent for a few days. 

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 01:07 | 3740501 U4 eee aaa
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You expecting a rendition?

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 01:58 | 3740561 Manic by Proxy
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Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms: definitely should be the name of convenience store and not a government agency. It says so on a T-shirt.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 02:54 | 3740608 Manthong
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LMAO   :-D

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 07:11 | 3740733 kill switch
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When you think about it what the fuck do we need with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Another 100,000.00 useless bureaucrats. Man we are fucked 6,9,12,3.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:23 | 3740086 xtop23
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Great post.

All part of the plan. If you put into place so many laws, as to make it impossible to follow them all, you enable "the apparatus" to commit rear entry on your person any time they get the urge to do so.


Thu, 07/11/2013 - 00:07 | 3740399 yomama
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Come on, if anything this administration has shown us that the laws are just a guideline, nothing 'hard and fast'....hard and fast, Obama,

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 00:10 | 3740407 linniepar
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*knocks it out the park*

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 01:07 | 3740502 aerojet
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Seriously, I've never been a big fan of laws since the whole legal system is just another angle on you and when you need something enforced against some asshole, you can't get it done.  Also, there's the people like the NSA and the CIA, the executors of the law who break the law day in and day out with no ramifications because some special court or circumstantial loophole allows them to have clean hands.  It's still unethical, though, you see?  And that's what really matters is how you live with yourself after you pilot a drone and launch a Hellfire at some civilian house which may or may not house "bad people."  

So no, until the law can be made to make sense, I'm just avoiding the enforcers quite honestly.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 07:14 | 3740737 kill switch
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Thinking the same thing +100

So nice we have our second amendment back, now brush off your knees..ya fucking sheep.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 10:12 | 3741266 whirling tword ...
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We are at a point where the state has made so many laws that it makes criminals out of every man.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 21:46 | 3739971 nmewn
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It will be interesting to see how punk criminals react to the prospect that granny is packing and now doesn't have to look over her shoulder for criminals AND COPS. 

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:15 | 3740058 Alpo for Granny
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There is a lot more than just gold eagles in granny's brassiere... Buh-lee-dat!

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 00:00 | 3740391 zjxn06
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NRA should get with arms manufacturers to offer discounted guns for ghetto grannies. Get ghetto grannies a gun. GGGG.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 10:14 | 3741277 Meat Hammer
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"Ahhhhhh shiiiiiiiit" - Little Pookie, Ray Ray, and Leroy (aka Tech 9 Killa) upon hearing that there will be some pissed off armed crackers now in their midst.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:16 | 3740061 Greenie
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The Trayvons in Chi-town ain't gonna like this. Go short hoodies.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:19 | 3740073 garypaul
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WTF????  Trayvon didn't have a gun idiot!

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:07 | 3740259 mofreedom
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and if he did he wouldn't know how to use it properly...probably would have thought it was some type of crack pipe, cool.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 01:09 | 3740504 aerojet
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What about the cellphone picture of the S&W Sigma?  Planted evidence?  Even if he didn't have a gun with him, he was still a violent little thug who was looking for trouble.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 10:06 | 3741245 They trynna cat...
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No sh*t "Tray" didn't have a gun. But if all the Trayvons had to assume that every potential victim of their animal violence was carrying, they wouldn't be so quick to punch old ladies in the face for $5.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 10:35 | 3741287 Meat Hammer
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It warms the cockles of my heart to think of these thugs worried about people fighting back.

In other news, job applications at Walmart by former gang bangers just went full retard.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:38 | 3740346 tsx500
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...and Skittles

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:21 | 3740081 holdbuysell
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Empower the people to take care of themselves...and they will.

But that mere concept goes against the 'must control everything and everyone' grain of sociopathic elites.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 07:16 | 3740740 kill switch
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Fucking BINGO!!!!!

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 21:48 | 3739976 Alpo for Granny
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Pretty badass gif showing the progression from no issue to may issue to shall issuee to my personal favorite..unrestricted.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:27 | 3740097 XitSam
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In stupid Texas, you can't open carry a pistol in a holster! And yet they pretend to be conservative and part of the West. 

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:19 | 3740302 Freddie
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Vermont is one of the most liberal and I think they allow open carry.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 01:11 | 3740507 XitSam
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I don't know why open carry isn't the standard with concealed carry (if it must be) more restricted.  People freak out if they see a peacefully and lawfully carried firearm.  Yet they remain calm when every person they see, including criminals, could be carrying concealed.  To me that seems backwards.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 07:18 | 3740743 kill switch
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Thu, 07/11/2013 - 01:53 | 3740555 Manic by Proxy
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Yeah, well they also gave us "Vermont Teddy Bears". I hate Vermont Teddy Bears. So, fuck Vermont and the Bear they rode in on. Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 09:59 | 3741226 DanDaley
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Vermont has some of the best gun laws in SPITE of the liberals, not because of them. It's a constant battle against libtardism.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 01:11 | 3740508 aerojet
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Even in the 1890s, there were restrictions on open carry.  It came about for practical reasons.  I also think that people desired the appearance of a more civilized domain since anarchy was pretty much the rule.  It's comforting--the same reason we have the stupid laws we have today.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:37 | 3741855 NoTTD
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All Hail Vermont!

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 16:25 | 3742704 de3de8
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POS Maryland always last for individual rights/ privacyy

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 21:49 | 3739979 Montecarlo
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I guess now that citizens can protect themselves, we don't need to add more police and more benefits to those "risk" takers willing to stop the violence. Now Illinois residents will discover what Texans have known all along - police are there to report on what happened...after the fact.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:12 | 3740050 garypaul
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Well your comment on police is certainly true. Give anybody too much trust and power and THEY become the criminals.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:30 | 3740111 Montecarlo
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I've worked in Law Enforcement - you speak the truth... Check out the Stanford Prison Study... random people assigned as guards or inmates.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 07:54 | 3740817 Big Slick
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interesting wiki article monte carlo. thanks .


Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:31 | 3740116 otto skorzeny
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The jackbooted swine in the IL State Police are now going to drag their feet for awhile before they get this get this implemented- just like they are still arresting people for videotaping them even though the courts told them it was legal to do so.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:42 | 3740332 Antifaschistische
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yah, I remember when...if you ran a stop sign in front of a cop you may as well just pull over and wait for him to pull up behind you.  Now, I've discovered the last two dozen times I violated some law in front of a sitting policeman....nothing happened, because he always has his head down in his i-phone or other portable electronic device of choice.   It's great.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 21:56 | 3740001 Montecarlo
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Do you know what to do after you've applied your firearm to handle a situation? You should.


Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:02 | 3740022 pods
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Lemme guess?



Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:04 | 3740027 Scro
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Deadly force is justified only when undertaken to prevent imminent and otherwise unavoidable danger of death or grave bodily harm to the innocent.

Or loss of property.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:30 | 3740108 XitSam
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Deadly force cannot be used in my state to defend property.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 00:08 | 3740402 IndyPat
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My state includes deafening the lives of others and preventing sexual assault.
Also...firearms may not be confiscated in times of state and national emergency.
Not that I'd pony them up anyway. Kind of redundant.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 01:13 | 3740509 aerojet
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Probably un-ass the area as quickly as possible if you weren't captured on camera.  That's getting harder and harder to know, of course.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 07:28 | 3740761 shovelhead
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Easy one.

Drop the gun and take the cannolis...

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:10 | 3740045 garypaul
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Now we can see what happens, so we can end this debate.

BTW, any theories about why the murder rate is so much lower in Canada where they have tough gun-control laws? 

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:30 | 3740102 GernB
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Well, to make an intellegent comment I'd have to know what other factors affect the murder rate and how they compare. For example, I have no idea how population density relates to murder rate and how Canada's population density compares to the US. Too many factors can affect murder rate such as culture. Why does India where arranged mariages are common have a much lower rate of divorce?

In the end, I think the only fair comparison is the same area before and after strictgun control laws.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 00:16 | 3740422 zen0
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Liquor is much more expensive in Canada.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 10:19 | 3741305 Meat Hammer
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Because the boat brought them here and not there.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:30 | 3740110 a growing concern
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Population demographics, eh?

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:46 | 3740189 garypaul
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To be clear, I said murder RATE (as in ratio). Places like Southern Ontario and British Columbia are similar in population density (and culture). And comparisons to arranged marriages in India is a little too far out.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:53 | 3740211 GernB
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Bzzt wrong. I can use Wikipedia. Population density in US is 88.09 people per square kilometer. Canada is 3.75 people per square kilometer. Gun violence is higher in areas of higher population density. The point is, in case you're too dense to get it, that you are comparing apples and oranges.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:07 | 3740260 garypaul
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Dipshit, that calculation is on paper only. Are there actually 88.09 people living on every square kilometer in the US? Or do a large number live in cities? Fuck you are dumb.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:13 | 3740282 mofreedom
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let me guess again, you only let gays into canda, they hate guns that go scary bang.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:24 | 3740313 garypaul
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gays? where did that come from? Yep, there's certainly a phallus/closet homosexual element to you gun nuts.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:32 | 3740333 mofreedom
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nope, just hate pansies and folks who suck british and french cock, sorry, no offense.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:48 | 3740363 garypaul
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So that's the visual that you come up with? Yep, pretty fucking gay if you ask me. No offense.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:53 | 3740369 mofreedom
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one more time, maybe because canada doesn't let the dregs of the earth overtake it's country all in the name of vote canada really, except the french part.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:57 | 3740379 mofreedom
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do y'all still brew molson xxx?

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 07:27 | 3740756 hyperbole2000
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Canjuns don't need a gun to kick ass. Unless your outnumbered or its a #*&@ bar. 

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:10 | 3740273 mofreedom
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cause you control you gimme pigs with free beer and pot?

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:21 | 3740305 Hongcha
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garypaul, "Demographics".

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:27 | 3740315 garypaul
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hmmm, I think I detect what you mean when you say "Demographics". You're right though, it's possible I might have a different tune if I lived in an "inner-city" type environment.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 06:19 | 3740692 noless
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Next time just scream DAS RAYCISS, it'll make it easier on everyone.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 01:14 | 3740510 U4 eee aaa
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They have gun control laws in Mexico also and I think the murder rate is a little higher than the US

Maybe it comes down to how hard the law enforcement works to deal with thugs

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 11:13 | 3741580 hoos bin pharteen
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If you normalize the results by socio-economic demographic, Canada and the US aren't too different. 

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:46 | 3741885 NoTTD
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Because outside of a very few urban areas, the population of Canada is overwhelmingly white?  Just a guess.


You might want to compare that "demographic" to Chicago where until this bill passed, no gun ownership was allowed.  And you see what we got. 

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 21:38 | 3743646 Promethus
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Most Canadians are white.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:18 | 3740297 Hongcha
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Quinn carrying the water for the Administration, currying favor at the expense of the safety of his citizens; got his legislation pounded back up where it belongs.  

I am SO sick of these corrupt hand-lickers holding public power.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:43 | 3740355 Dingleberry
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Shitcago......another liberal oasis.

They fucking have to plan safe-zones so kids can walk to school without getting hit by gangbanging gunfire.

Their corrupt LIBERAL DEMOCRAT political machine promises OPM for votes from welfare mommas, illegals and public unions.

Not only Chiraq but the entire state is beyond broke. Even worse than Detroit.  

I say let them suffer the consequences. Reality is a bitch, but apparently consequences are the only things these fucking liberals will ever understand.  Then again, they are liberals.....

Lock and load Chicongoans. Things are going to get far worse. 

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 09:09 | 3741056 Agent P
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Take it from this downstater that the only reason the entire state is beyond broke is because Springfield is run by the Libtards from the Northeast quadrant.  If Cook County were to fall into the lake, this state would instantly rival Texas in redness on a political map.

As for your lock and load advice to the folks in Chitown, I couldn't agree more.  This bill will do nothing to stem the thug-on-thug violence in the South and West neighborhoods, and that problem will only grow and spill further into the thug-on-innocent category as the economic picture continues to flush down the shitter.  However, I think it will be a huge improvement for crime prevention in some of the larger towns downstate that have seen an influx of the bad elements leaking out of Chicago...even if it doesn't, at least it brings us closer in-line with the Constitution, to which I say it's about fucking time!

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 11:08 | 3741555 Dull Care
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I feel bad for the downstate. My family was from there and the area is full of decent people. It's such a shame they have to put up with the Chicago crowd. Is there any kind of secession movement?

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:07 | 3741754 Agent P
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Yes, people are moving away all the time.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 03:28 | 3740621 solgundy
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what's the bag limit on democrats???????????????????????

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 05:43 | 3740669 Flagit
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who the fuck is "Jim" Quinn?

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 09:13 | 3741073 Agent P
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Must be Patricia's brother.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 09:15 | 3741083 rwe2late
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 Crime, and criminals using guns, will not significantly drop until

(A) Prohibition II (the "war" on drugs) is ended,

(B) decent jobs as an alternative to the drug trade exist


Illinois, the home of Prohibition I gangsters like Al Capone ought to know that. Prohibition I was just a poor excuse for the expansion of the FBI and police powers. So too, and worse, has been Prohibition II.

No significant change would have occurred by either allowing or banning tommy guns.

Prohibition I had to end.

So too, must Prohibition II end.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 09:55 | 3741212 Winston Smith 2009
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"Lock & load Chicagoens. Just watch how the crime rate drops & blows all the anti gun grabbers arguments of how guns create crime out of the water."

That would be nice, but from what I've read the violence is mostly black on black violence where CCW isn't going to help because those involved in the shootings are already carrying illegally as gang bangers.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 11:46 | 3741700 DosZap
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Lock & load Chicagoens. Just watch how the crime rate drops & blows all the anti gun grabbers arguments of how guns create crime out of the water.


THEY do not care about the blacks and hispanic bangers and drug dealers dying(and the occasional innocents capped standing by get ALL the major press), all the morons have to do is CHECK the stats on Pre CCP states crime rates v.s. AFTER Shall Issue takes effect.But, we are dealing with Progressives here remember,and facts DO not matter.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 21:42 | 3739939 otto skorzeny
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Fuck you Quinn and every Democrat and RINO in this corrupt, broke, union-controlled, nanny/police state (and you too Durbin and Kirk and Twinkle Toes Rahm)

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 21:45 | 3739969 max2205
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FYI, it's Pat Quinn....

Oh and fuck you Pat

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 21:51 | 3739987 otto skorzeny
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I know it is- I think you were trying to reply to Buckaroo B

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:20 | 3740075 max2205
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No, it was in the offense

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:29 | 3740104 Lendo
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Illinois is past the point of no return since the pension clusterfuck will never be solved.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:27 | 3740318 Freddie
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Oh IL pension nightmare will be "solved" someday.  Either insolvency or some sickening bailout.

I have relative in a southern state who has a psycho retired Chicago civil servant on their street.  They would love to see this evil ****ers pension blow up.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:15 | 3740287 mofreedom
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otto, you're you a fine german after my adopted mother...not a sniveling gay nazi.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 21:38 | 3739940 jon dough
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Mr. Quinn is now apparently threatening to hold his breath until he turns blue.


Like the gang bangers aren't already carrying virtual arsenals now.



Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:17 | 3740065 garypaul
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So you're saying that it will be safer to have these gang-bangers carrying legally??


Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:37 | 3740120 Jam Akin
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You think the gang-bangers are in compliance with the already strict IL gun laws today fool?   Not a single one of them is in legal possession of their firearms, not to mention the pending even stricter qualification for a carry permit! 

Provisions of the new law:


Section 25. Qualifications for a license. 

The Department shall issue a license to an applicant 

completing an application in accordance with Section 30 of this 

Act if the person: 

(1) is at least 21 years of age; 

(2) has a currently valid Firearm Owner's 

Identification Card and at the time of application meets 

the requirements for the issuance of a Firearm Owner's 

Identification Card and is not prohibited under the Firearm 

Owners Identification Card Act or federal law from 

possessing or receiving a firearm; 

(3) has not been convicted or found guilty in this 

State or in any other state of: 

(A) a misdemeanor involving the use or threat of 

physical force or violence to any person within the 5 

years preceding the date of the license application; or 

(B) 2 or more violations related to driving while 

under the influence of alcohol, other drug or drugs, 

intoxicating compound or compounds, or any combination 

thereof, within the 5 years preceding the date of the 

license application; and 

(4) is not the subject of a pending arrest warrant, 

prosecution, or proceeding for an offense or action that 


could lead to disqualification to own or possess a firearm; 

(5) has not been in residential or court-ordered 

treatment for alcoholism, alcohol detoxification, or drug 

treatment within the 5 years immediately preceding the date 

of the license application; and 

(6) has completed firearms training and any education 

component required under Section 75 of this Act. 



Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:32 | 3740121 Totentänzerlied
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What part of "no misdemeanors and a valid license (FOID)" don't you understand, shill?

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:09 | 3740263 garypaul
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That's a great point about qualifying before getting gun ownership. But I just recently watched a news documentary that showed how many ex-military are joing gangs. In other words, there's a lot of "criminals" out there that would still pass those legal requirements to gun ownership.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:22 | 3740306 Jam Akin
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Funniest comment of the night!  Someone who intends to join a gang is going to fill out an application and send it with a check for $10 to the Illinois State Police(!) to get a FOID card!

You're killing me.  "The authorities" ought to confiscate your computer.  It is a deadly weapon...

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 05:45 | 3740671 Flagit
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the computer is harmless. its the keyboard thats dangerous.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 00:06 | 3740396 funthea
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Gary, I think you miss the forest through the trees. The point is that gun regulation of any kind only affects the law abiding citizen and not the criminal. The criminal is already packing and sees every regulation that diminishes the active public from defending themselves against him to be a blessing. It simply empowers him more, since he has no use of your silly laws. You need a new set of goggles...

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 06:30 | 3740698 noless
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How does a "gang" operate in your worldview?

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:32 | 3740122 Debt Slave
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What makes you think they will bother to get the CCW?

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:32 | 3740124 a growing concern
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You can't be a felon and carry legally.  Ergo, none of those gang-bangers will be carrying legally.  They'll be carrying illegally, just like they already do now.  Idiot.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:40 | 3740161 Greenie
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Gary, you really need to go suck a bag of dicks

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 05:36 | 3740665 vato poco
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Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:16 | 3740291 OneTinSoldier66
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"So you're saying that it will be safer to have these gang-bangers carrying legally??"


If you make it criminal for people to own guns, then guess who will own all the guns? Guess who will have more power than you? Criminals. If it is known you have a gun you are much less likely to become a target and/or a victim. So it is good for people to have the ability to get one if they so choose. That way a criminal at least has to always wonder if you might be carrying an equalizer...

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:32 | 3740331 garypaul
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Like I said before, I might have a different viewpoint if I lived in a high-crime area. But I'm just saying that there are lots of pre-criminals (and smooth criminals) out there that would legally qualify for gun ownership. But more important than that, how many "law-biding" people out there have some sort of paranoia or other unrecognized mental problem? 

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 00:18 | 3740415 funthea
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If the law-abiding citizen has the ability to defend himself from these mentals, then it all sorts itself out.

No one can safegaurd from every danger possible, nor should we try. That is the true paranoia. And that is all these silly laws try to do, is pacify the paranoid.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 00:23 | 3740435 IndyPat
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Did you really just say pre crime and smooth criminal as part of your argument?
Free advice my friend from the great white north.
Mind thee own beeswax, eh? This is a family matter.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 06:32 | 3740701 noless
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This motherfucker be obvious. Obvious troll is obvious.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 00:29 | 3740441 yomama
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How many police 'have some sort of paranoia or other unrecognized mental problem'?  They shoot dogs don't they?  Also, if your depending on those same police to protect you, I've got some sorry news for have NO legal right to police protection.  None. Nada. Find a successful lawsuit brought by a free citizen against a policemen, police department, city, county, state, or any government agency on the basis of 'Failure to Protect'.  Police are armed to protect their butts not your sorry ass.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 02:20 | 3740581 StychoKiller
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[quote] many "law-biding" people out there have some sort of paranoia or other unrecognized mental problem?[/quote] 

Non Sequitir, you're assuming facts NOT in evidence (or projecting).

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 04:43 | 3740652 Morla
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Yup, fear and distrust your fellow man like a good little statist. You trust ordinary people HUNDREDS OF TIMES ON A GIVEN DAY to pilot 4,000lb metal objects at high speeds right next to you, but don't get bogged down with intellectual honesty. Keep telling us how our neighbors are "pre-criminals" and maniacs.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 05:54 | 3740678 Flagit
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ok, i greened you, because they apparently they dont know how it works. it takes a smooth criminal to buy the guns in the first place, then resells them.

shit, a wasted green at that. paranoia or unrecognized mental problem?

yea, you must live in Naperville or Bolingbrook. Faggot. you dont get robbed because you dont go out after dark, or anywhere that dosent serve latte. ive heard this retoric before. "i just dont understand why you have to arm yourself." well, you are gonna have to take a few rides in an ambulance before you figure that out.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 09:20 | 3741107 Agent P
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"Like the gang bangers aren't already carrying virtual arsenals now."

Indeed, they are...and God help us if they ever learn how to shoot straight.

"Following a weekend of horrific violence in Chicago in which at least 70 people were shot and 12 killed..."

(12 / 70 = 17%....and this doesn't even count the misses)

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 21:38 | 3739943 Buckaroo Banzai
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SUCK IT, Jim Quinn. In a just world, you'd be tried for treason, and shot at dawn.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 05:57 | 3740679 Flagit
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again, who the fuck is "jim" quinn?

mayor jim juliani.

governor jim ventura.

president jim obama.

admiral jim kirk.

like SNL said, its Pat!

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:51 | 3741907 NoTTD
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And Pat could be of either sex...

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 21:41 | 3739958 Al Gorerhythm
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"On Tuesday, legislators in the House and Senate easily mustered a two-thirds majority needed to override Mr Quinn's veto, barely beating the court deadline.




"Following a weekend of horrific violence in Chicago in which at least 70 people were shot and 12 killed, this was the wrong move for public safety in Illinois," Mr Quinn said in a statement after the vote.


He said legislators had "surrendered" to the National Rifle Association, a powerful gun rights lobby funded in part by weapons manufacturers."


Isn't it funny how  once you get popularly elected, you become the smartest guy in the room, despite the numbers opposing you.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 21:45 | 3739967 jon dough
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I have to agree with Quinn on one thing, though.


This really was the wrong move for public safety in Illinois.


It should be OPEN CARRY!


Hey, lookee here, butt-nugget thug mofo, want a taste of this? Yeah, run away, little man, run away...



Wed, 07/10/2013 - 21:50 | 3739980 NoDebt
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That's been tried before here and there.  It's usually pulled back in short order because it works too well, crime rates plummet and threaten union jobs.


Wed, 07/10/2013 - 23:34 | 3740340 Freddie
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Isn't CCW almost as effective?  I thought once the gangsters know people can carry they start to think twice.   Anyone can be carrying with CCW but I hear you.    Is VT the only open carry state?  I thought AZ allowed it in some areas.  Someone mentioned a few towns in Oregon.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:52 | 3741912 NoTTD
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Believe it or not CA is open carry.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 21:42 | 3739959 Boondocker
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Roughly 90% of shootings are same race shootings.....

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 21:51 | 3739982 nmewn
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So it will be the same ratio then...only a lower body count.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:24 | 3740089 garypaul
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So why's the "body count" so much lower in Canada? Seriously fucker, I want an answer on this question from one of you wingnuts!

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:37 | 3740148 GernB
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I don't know. Fewer large cities maybe? Less inner city gang activity. Fewer racial problems. Greater economic freedom. Less income disparity. Hard to say.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:41 | 3740163 20834A
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Maybe because the population of Canada is 34,568,211 people in 3.8 million miles. The population of the USA is 316,668,567 people in 3.79 million square miles. Like those studies of crowded rats that turn on each other.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:54 | 3740214 garypaul
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That's not a good answer. I'm talking about ratios, percentages. Also, the people are not spread evenly throughout the large landmass. The majority live in large urban centers, for example Southern Ontario which is indistinguishable from an American city.

Wed, 07/10/2013 - 22:58 | 3740225 Iocosus
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Everyone is reluctant to say it like it is, so I will:



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