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On The Ground In Athens: "Too Many People Are Committing Suicide"

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Submitted by Simon Black of Sovereign Man blog,

My friend Illias took a drag of his cigarette as he contemplated my question.

“Our government tells us that this will be a better year. No one really believes them. But all we can do is be optimistic. Too many people are committing suicide.”

His statement probably best sums up the situation in Greece right now. It’s as if the hopelessness has gone stale, and the only thing they have to replace it with is desperate, misguided, faux-optimism. And anger.

There are roughly 11 million people in this country. 3.4 million of them are employed, of which roughly one third work for the government.

1.34 million people are ‘officially’ unemployed. To put this in context, it would be as if there were 36 million officially unemployed in the US.

More startling, if you add the number of ‘inactive’ workers (i.e. those who gave up looking), the total number of unemployed is roughly 57% of the entire Greek work force.

And as you probably know, the situation for young people is even worse. Only 1 in 3 people aged 25 and under has a job.

This phenomenon, sustained for several years now, has cut deeply into the psyche of an entire generation that is growing up without productive work experience or the prospect of improving their lives.

The middle class here has been completely gutted. Aside from a few pockets of wealth, the country is either unemployed or working poor, hamstrung by debilitating debt.

The ugly consequence of all of this is that people have been driven to desperation. The suicide rate here has skyrocketed, crime is noticeably higher, and prostitution is rampant.

The government is limping along based solely on handouts from the rest of Europe, adding to the country’s already untenable debt burden. Given the rate at which they keep increasing the debt, they’ll still be paying it off ten generations from now.

They’ve taken some baby steps to attract foreign investment– most notably by offering residency to foreigners who purchase Greek real estate in excess of 250,000 euros.

(Side note: Be cautious. When valued against both rental prices and income, Greek real estate is still overpriced. The housing markets in Portugal and Ireland have far more compelling fundamentals, and both have similar residency programs.)

But such initiatives won’t move the needle much. And the Greek government has no real options other than to continue defaulting on its debts or to leave the eurozone and inflate its own currency.

Given what I’m seeing on the ground here, it’s clear that the situation is more explosive than it has been for years.

And it comes at a time when fears of a ‘Grexit’ have subsided. (Do you notice how few people ever talk about this anymore?)

This strategy of living hand to mouth until the next bailout comes has failed. They’ve tried it for three years. Yet the labor market continues to deteriorate, and the debts continue to pile up.

As a result, life for the average Greek has gone from bad to worse.

People are angry. Not the ‘I’m going to vote you out of office’ anger from 2010-2012. I’m talking ‘I’m gonna go postal ‘cuz I have nothing to lose’ anger.

Imagine millions of people that angry, and you can understand that this country is close to reaching the activation energy necessary to make a revolutionary change.

In fact, from the terrace of my hotel I can see yet another protest beginning to form on the streets below. I’m going to sign off for now and go check it out.

Take a look for yourself here:


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Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:33 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
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Sheeple are Sheeple.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:37 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
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Sheeple gonna Sheeple

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:49 | Link to Comment prains
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heeples of sheeples

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:59 | Link to Comment fonestar
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And so the people will follow suit here when the depressions spreads from the satellites to the center of empire.  Even though most of these "poor" people, having lost their creature comforts they financed (not to be confused with ownership) are still better off than your average Somali.

At least they could go and take out a parasite banker first if they want to go that route.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:28 | Link to Comment The Juggernaut
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The Greek People are killing the wrong people.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:31 | Link to Comment SamAdams
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If you plan to die anyway, why not take a few problems with you?

How do you determine how many is too many suicides? 

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 19:00 | Link to Comment Larry Dallas
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Greeks have too much national pride anyway. Ever see My Big Fat Greek Wedding? Hmpf...

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:31 | Link to Comment cifo
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"and prostitution is rampant"

Who's paying? Tourists?

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 14:00 | Link to Comment johnconnor
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the troika officials that keep visiting Greek to check on its progress

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 15:00 | Link to Comment nodhannum
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Wait, this is Greece.  First, don't you have to dip them in "Nair" and then hose 'em down.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 21:47 | Link to Comment Luckhasit
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No, the guy that's robbing you to eat

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:53 | Link to Comment BellyBrain
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"At least they could go and take out a parasite banker first if they want to go that route."


EXACTLY!!!  If every suicidal person in the world took out a banker, politician, GMO corporate executive, and any other scumbag piece of filth on their way out, the world would be a much better place.  We would remember them as heroes.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:46 | Link to Comment reTARD
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Sheeple gonna sleeple.

They're heading to protest on motorcycles... still not at breaking point yet.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:51 | Link to Comment azzhatter
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They should just appoint a poverty czar, suicide czar, and unemployment czar. Forward

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:01 | Link to Comment GaryNeville
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Boy who cries wolf..

Were gone rise up one day.. eventually... someday.. it'll happen... bla bla bla..

What more do you need people of Greece? No time like the present!

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 05:40 | Link to Comment Bag Of Meat
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Then what more does THE WORLD want? No time like the present for everyone! Yet nothing ever happens. Or when something happens it gets manipulated to once again serve the status quo. You know why? because human incentives are universal and easy to manipulate. That's what "sheeple" really means

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:52 | Link to Comment Meat Hammer
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WTF???  Kill them and take back what they stole.

It's either him or me, and you better believe it ain't gonna be me.  Jules - Pulp Fiction

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 16:58 | Link to Comment JR
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Substitute “government” for “that man” in the following Louis L'Amour quote and we’ve got a working formula for current conditions.

“If you want to be civilized, you’re going to have to fight to protect it, or all the civilized world will be dead, and we will be back in the darkness of savagery.

“You don’t try to reason with a man who is trying to kill you, or else you will be dead, and violence will have won another victory over peace.

“That man that shot your brother did it because he saw your brother as a threat to him, and when he tries to kill you, it will be for the same reason.

“Are you going to let him do it?” – The Cherokee Trail

L’Amour continues:

“If civilization was to endure, those who believe in it must be prepared to strike back at the dark forces that would destroy it…we have to live to ensure our children the education and the chance they should have. For that, we should be willing to fight.”

Great journalistic piece by Black, btw.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:58 | Link to Comment What you talkin...
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I'm thinking Weird Al Yankovich doing a remake of depches modes people are people into sheelpe are sheeple would be pretty fucking sweet.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:35 | Link to Comment Praetorian Guard
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Sheeple are sheeple so why should it be
You and I should get along so awfully

So we're different colours
And we're different creeds
And different people have different needs
It's obvious you hate me
Though I've done nothing wrong
I never even met you
So what could I have done

I can't understand
What makes a man
Hate another man
Help me understand

Sheeple are sheeple so why should it be
You and I should get along so awfully

Help me understand

Now you're punching and you're kicking
And you're shouting at me
I'm relying on your common decency
So far it hasn't surfaced
But I'm sure it exists
It just takes a while to travel
From your head to your fist

I can't understand
What makes a man
Hate another man

Help me understand

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 18:45 | Link to Comment Dugald
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Sure thing Buddy....Bang!

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:35 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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"In fact, from the terrace of my hotel I can see yet another protest beginning to form on the streets below"


Why don't you go down there and give somebody your Rochefocauld so they can buy a sandwich?

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:39 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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Well suicide is already illegal...whoever thought of that one is a genius.  (you changed your post as I was typing you sneaky shit)

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:52 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Not possible, initiating a reply to a post disables modifications...

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:03 | Link to Comment Meat Hammer
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When you were a kid, what would you say was the average amount of time that you were able to hold on to your lunch money before somebody kicked your ass and took it?

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:19 | Link to Comment MayIMommaDogFac...
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initiating a reply to a post disables modifications...

Don't you mean posting a reply disables modifications?

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 14:57 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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You're right.  It's only disabled AFTER you post the reply.  And the votes are disabled for everyone but you when you use italics.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 16:03 | Link to Comment fuu
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If desired you can activate the arrow links in page source.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 18:13 | Link to Comment Forty Six and 2
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Or you can vote via...


  1. mouse_click on the time/date stamp
  2. [tab] until a ' appears next to arrow of your choosing
  3. [enter]
Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:46 | Link to Comment fuu
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Not true.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 14:19 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Maybe Tyler could chime in about the hierarchy of actions allowed by Drupal... Just relating my past experience...

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 14:59 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Like... WTF really cares?... I mean ~ like, isn't there a "global warming" blog somewhere out there that needs your expertise & TLC so they can name you "CZAR ZOD" of global warming scientific research, who, will someday, PREVENT our sun from bursting into a Red Giant & vaporizing everything from the asteroid belt on in?"...

That might be a better use of your valuable time...

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 16:03 | Link to Comment fuu
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Edits to a comment can occur till someone posts a reply to the comment.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 16:44 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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The issue is whether hitting the reply key locks the post being replied to, i.e. before it is posted...

Hey, whatever, it is all but a moot point...

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 19:34 | Link to Comment fuu
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No. When I just hit the reply key in your comment I did not lock you from editing. When I clicked save on my side you were locked out.

There are times when you will be editing a post, someone else hits reply, types a message, and hits save before you are done editing. Then when you hit save on your edit you get the error message.

Maybe a trivial point, not a moot one though.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 19:43 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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We saw what you did ;-)

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 22:06 | Link to Comment fuu
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yeah yeah.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:34 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
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“Our government tells us that this will be a better year. No one really believes them."

Same shit, different Parliament.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:54 | Link to Comment CheapBastard
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It's kinda strange to think ... our Western Societies are based on Greek Civilization...well, mmm... at least the former Greek Civilization.


I get a dismal feeling when I read about The Athenian plight these days. It does not bode well.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:00 | Link to Comment Jumbotron
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Too many people in Greece committing suicide....and not enough people in the halls of political and financial power doing it here in 'Merka.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 08:52 | Link to Comment Nussi34
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The fewer Greeks the fewer monry wasted!

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:02 | Link to Comment Muppet Pimp
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This statement tells us the greeks still have a long way to go. The one who said this remains under the impression that those lying theiving vermin that run their government are going to also be the same ones who create economic prosperity in which they can all share the fruits of. Wake me up when the guillotines are moved into Syntagma and the people are scouring the country rounding up the politicians. From what we have seen so far, the Greek government is going to continue lying, bellyaching and stealing everything not nailed down until the bailout money stops rolling in.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:34 | Link to Comment pashley1411
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I can understand despair, but chit, don't go out without making a little noise, if you catch my drift.   Sheeple get what they deserve.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:42 | Link to Comment PT
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pashley1411:  I believe the phrase you are looking for is, "You can always take one with you."

Thanks Winston Churchill. 

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 16:13 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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I lost a good friend to suicide a few months ago.  I knew him for many years and know how he thinks.  When he was thinking straight he would say the same thing.  don't go out without a fight.  Over the last few years he had some personal tradegies, he lost all his money with overlevaged RE, then divorced.  Then he became a heavy drinker.  People in deep despair, aren't thinking logically. 

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 20:07 | Link to Comment PT
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Sorry to hear that Harbanger.

It's not just about thinking logically, either.  Actions are a lot harder than words.  Especially when you're flat broke, heavily in debt, and those responsible for your plight are ones whose names you don't know and / or they live thousands of miles away.

Something else to think about:  Our modern technology allows faceless people to steal our wealth from thousands of miles away.  Modern wealth preservation techniques need to eliminate this hazard. 

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:34 | Link to Comment Wile-E-Coyote
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This bullish for funeral directors.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:41 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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Lower demand for goods and services is certainly deflationary.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:44 | Link to Comment PT
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Less customers, less slaves.  Now you fuckers will have to do your own dirty work!

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:47 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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Maybe we can print more people.  Or, reanimate their corpses and command them to take out loans.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:20 | Link to Comment medium giraffe
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No need to take on the added burden to the social system on a full time basis, just, ah, resurrect them on demand.  Election time, for example...

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 14:36 | Link to Comment PT
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A loanbot?  A signborg? 

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:41 | Link to Comment Big Corked Boots
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No, bullish for the guys who dig holes at Potter's Field.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:35 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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Make prostitution legal and call the criminals "bankers" and the unemployment numbers will at least look better.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:40 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
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unemployment numbers will at least look better.

The plan to get UE down is to kill people off, by proxy or by choice.

I think the Fed will only have the opportunity to taper when a meteor hits America, because that's the only way the UE rate gets to 6.5%.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:35 | Link to Comment Prometheus the ...
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The word of the day is...

tum·brel or tum·bril  (tmbrl)

1. A two-wheeled cart, especially a farmer's cart that can be tilted to dump a load. 2. A crude cart used to carry condemned prisoners to their place of execution, as during the French Revolution
Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:48 | Link to Comment machineh
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Now you know why tumbrils are illegal in D.C. ... as are guns.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 17:28 | Link to Comment thomcat00
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"Tumbril" sounds like the latest pharmaceutical to cure what ails ya.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:02 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Why the bitching...

They are merely responding to market forces...

Edit: Tough crowd today....

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:39 | Link to Comment midtowng
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Governments don't care about suicides. That's just one less sheeple to deal with.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:24 | Link to Comment MayIMommaDogFac...
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Governments don't care about suicides.

Yet suicide is illegal.  They do care about us after all!

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:46 | Link to Comment edifice
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Can't be sheared for taxes if you're dead... Hence suicide is illegal.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:50 | Link to Comment bonin006
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used to mean less tax payers

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:39 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:58 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
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Another "global warming" fear article put out by the power elite in order to impose new taxes onto the mindless sheep.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:09 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Let me guess, it is all a conspiracy theory that was hatched in the 1950s? And while  they were faking the moon landings, they faked the Earth's IR emission spectrum in 1969...

So would you like to explain for us all exactly what the mechanisms for the numerous cycles of Ice Ages over the past 400,000 years... I am all ears...

BTW, I always thought you had a little more analytic ability than that... Seems I was wrong...

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:34 | Link to Comment MayIMommaDogFac...
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It reads like the pitch for a screenplay...WTF?

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:36 | Link to Comment FrankThinkTank
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Flak. Dumbest motherfucker on here. Don't you mean the spectrum of carbon? I've schooled you to this before but you still stay a dumb motherfucker. 

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 14:38 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Spectrum of carbon??? Oh, goodie, please enlighten us. I'll be back after I get some popcorn...

Edit: Ahh.. too bad, I must have scared him away, I love watching asshats make fools of themselves....

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 16:29 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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I haven't looked long term backwards in time. But just off the top of my head I think I read once that the long ice age , which has it's up and down cycles, began when the plate tectonics moved to close North and South America by the formation of Panama. This , according to what I read, ended the ocean current that brought warm waters north to the Arctic regions. The new ocean circulation, which we have now, can't bring enough heat north and thus we get the Ice Age. This ice age lasts, but the age itself fluctuates in strength, i.e. expnsion and contraction of the ice sheets.

Anyways, that is one explaination I have heard of. The Carbon cycle is one major driver of world climate, along with geological like the rise of Mountains in certain places, Ocean currents are big, and then there are the cycles in orbit of earth, and solar intensity.

My take is that climate is a well know very complex system that responds to many different factors. We know from simple experiment that CO2 traps heat. A high School science class can do the equations and run the simple experiment that proves this to be a fact of physcis.

The argument centers around man's buring of fossil fuels. This CO2 addition is a new input into the complex natural cycles of climate. Some argue that fossil fuel produced CO2 doesn't  alter atmosphereic chemistry. This seems to be unprovable, as all physical law says otherwise. SOme argue that because the natural cycles exist, then new inputs like fossil fuel CO2 can't alter the climate. Again, the laws of physics say different. Aothers argue that Okay CO2 is produced by buring fossil fuels, they argue then that it is not enough to alter climate.

Most people haven't a clue what the carbon cycle is, or how Co2 affects Atmosphereic chemistry. Anyone who doesn't understand the carbon cycle, or understand the effect of increased CO2 in the atmosphere, is going to be easy prey for a poor or false understanding of climate change in the last 200 years.

Then there is the political aspect. Denial based on religion or right wing politics. Saying in effect that this is all a lie and the physical effects are a lie. This leads to a limited ability to discuss the science. In short, politics can't affect physics. Politics can't alter the laws of physics. Politics can't change the equations. Politics can't alter measurements and data.

The best answer to both sides is to stop arguing, because at this very moment nature is answering this debate. If climate stops warming, ocean levels stop rising and extreme weather receeds, then the deniers win. If the current trend continues, then the Global Warming believers win. Make no mistake, physics does not care, it will respond to the forces affecting earths climate. So the answer is right out there, we just are watching it unfold right now. If you believe everthing is normal with earth's climate, then you have peace of mind. If you believe earth is already in a run-away warming and the arctic sea ice will be gone in summer in a few short years, that extreme weather will increase, and global sea temperatures will rise, air temps will rise and ground temperatures will rise, then you can say I told you so.

What I don't care for is people who deny physics, because they don't like what the equations says. Humans have had that problem for ages, all the way back to the Churches fighting modern science every step of the way. Nothing much has changed, only now it is political religion that fights science.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 19:46 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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All that is needed to explain the past 800,000 years or so of climate variation is the very subtle forcings from the Milankovitch cycles, i.e. the tiny wobbles and variations in the Earths orbit. Short term effects from volcanoes soon fade. Climate only changes if a some physical process is driving it. Of course, variations in solar output will also drive global temperature. We are at the point where the imbalance from anthropogenic C02 overwhelms the Milankovitch cycles and the observed changes in solar output.

All natural cycles are rooted in physical processes. Weathering processing will remove C02 from the atmosphere, but this is a tiny effect that requires millions of years to be observable. Otherwise, geologic processess that do not affect GHG levels will not lead to global temperature change, however, regional climates may be substantially effected...

Given that C02 levels are still increasing at roughly 1% per year and the full effect of C02 already in the atmosphere has yet to be realized, Global warming is not stopping anytime soon. The current trend will continue unabated, however, short term deviatons due to the ENSO and volcanic eruptions can appear to change the trend for short periods. The heat capacity of the oceans dwarfs that of the atmosphere, so any mechanism such as ENSO that is related to the change of SSTs can obscure the rise. The dubious claim of no warming in 16 years is a classic cherry pick of the massive El Nino in 1998. The fact that decadal averages show a steady progression of rising temperatures since 1950 put lie to that claim. The decade of 2001-2010 is the warmest of the instrumental record, and by a significant margin no less...

Finally, to put it in perspective, the energy imbalance between what the Earth recieves from the Sun and what it re-radiates that currently exists is the equivalent of 4 Hiroshima A-bombs every second....

Otherwise you are bang on regarding Physics and Politics...

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 17:48 | Link to Comment akak
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Excellent, well reasoned and well stated post, Jack Burton.

Indeed, there are many, including perhaps even the majority here on ZH, who illogically and ignorantly deny scientific facts merely because they happen to provide fodder to their political opponents.  The LOGICAL thing to do in such case is to attack the political agenda of one's opponents, not the facts themselves that may happen to bolster that agenda.

As I have tirelessly stated here time and again, and will continue to repeat, the more than century-long, worldwide and ongoing melting and recession of glaciers, ice sheets, ice caps and polar sea ice inarguably proves that the world is warming --- that much, at least, cannot logically or rationally be denied.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 19:08 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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You get it, but you seem to not want to admit what is really driving things:

Here is the simplest possible model that demonstrates you don't get what we are seeing without the effect of anthropogenic C02, the so-called Two-Box Model.  It is a very clear and lucid read:

Be sure to click on the links within for more detailed background.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 14:48 | Link to Comment oddjob
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The myriad of footage from the moon landing obviously proves NASA was successful.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 17:20 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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There are no few here that would disagree with you....

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 22:14 | Link to Comment Abbie Normal
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It was somewhat believable until the moon buggy was introduced.  At the time, our neighbor recognized instantly that it was built on a ladder-frame assembly -- something that definitely would not fit into two suitcases as NASA stated.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:49 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Exhibit A

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:48 | Link to Comment Cman5000
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Why do people do this ? Burn a bank down wreck some shit do something  I'm a human being goddamnit my life has value.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 14:20 | Link to Comment Totentänzerlied
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Because they, and we, have been corrupted into tame sheep by the bourgeois society the elites fooled our ancestors into adopting - not a hard sell, of course, considering what they lived with before, but a grave mistake with no end in sight.

There, I said it.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 17:33 | Link to Comment blueRidgeBoy
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no, you are a meat popsicle

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 21:10 | Link to Comment Decolat
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Thanks for the Network reference! A flick that only gets better as time goes on. People keep running in circles because they forget, that the first thing you have to do, is You've Got To Get MAD.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:50 | Link to Comment altgeek
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I've always thought this is analogous to the Red China approach with tobacco, terrible urban air quality, and population control.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:51 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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    When are the Greeks going to GAFC and leave the Euro?

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:52 | Link to Comment azzhatter
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We're from Brussels and we're here to help

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:56 | Link to Comment tawse57
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Greece no longer gets mentioned on the BBC, ITN, Sky News stations now - it is as if it does not exist.

Which is kind of them as we don't have to hear any stories of unemployment, poverty, hunger, parents handing their kids into orphanages, people begging on streets, people going hungry, food banks, people unable to get drugs let alone afford them, women turning to prostitution and, of course, people killing themselves.

It is probably the same across Europe - don't mention Greece on the news or in the newspapers and everything will be fine... and everything is fine... unless you are Greek...

Well, an ordinary Greek that is - most of the rich appear to have fled to London and bought very expensive houses.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 15:13 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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only the "news" that's needed to guide the flock is utilised by the story-telling TeeVee/radio/paper me-duh.

what has been reported is hunger.  add hunger to this,

the situation for young people is even worse. Only 1 in 3 people aged 25 and under has a job

and factor in the Greek climate, and their propensity to home garden, and one wonders if any enterprising young people have started any market gardens as yet - a great way to self-sustain, feed those in your community, barter for needs, support all efforts at some kind of independence from whatever their "government" is going to do.

people need to stop looking for "jobs" and get creative, and not just in Greece. . .

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 12:58 | Link to Comment medium giraffe
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I don't buy this bullshit 'suicide' cover story, these are clearly victims of vampires.  Or squid.  Or a combination of the two perhaps....

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:24 | Link to Comment DeliciousSteak
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When this happened in the past a bunch of Greeks packed all their stuff on boats and went on to spread their culture all around the Mediterranean. There's no shame in leaving, Greeks, clearly your country is overpopulated. Africa might be a nice place to seek asylum. Germany is already colonized by their mortal enemies, the Turks, so that's a big nono.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:31 | Link to Comment kchrisc
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Another reason Rejection is the first step in recovery for the people.

Just quit paying, quit obeying and tell them to go away. Then get on with taking care of you and yours without their thieving hands in your pie.

Be prepared to defend yourself and your neighbors from them.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:33 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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Greece is a carefully crafted example of financial engineering carried out by Greek politicians, the EU, the IMF qnd the Banks. This Greek experiment is the ultimate example of using financial engineering to tranfer all the Bank's private losses, due to their failed business models, and transfer them onto the public balance sheet. In simple terms, it was a way for powerful banks and their political allies to make taxpayers and workers wholly responsible for the Banks losses. Everyone was in on it, and it continues. The people have been told it is all their fault, but behind the scenes most of the fault is with the banks who ran business models that were total failures.

In the end, Greece has a whole people held responsible for banks bad debts. In Iceland you have the opposite! In Iceland the same actors moved in with a plan to hold Icelandic taxpayers resonsible for their Banks failed business models. All Iceland's bad bank debt was being prepared, through financial engineering, to be put onto the public balance sheet. Agencies like the EU, the IMF, The World Bank and all the big actors were working on this "Solution". Decades of public debt to be taken out of taxpayers and workers hides! BUT, the Icelanders saw what was happening, and revolted BEFORE the debts could be transfered and the solution could be put into law. The Icelandic revolutin succeeded, despite the entire world against them, the people demanded a vote, they took to the streets and even attacked parlimanet members who were in favor of the bail out scheme.

Icleand was the exception, simply compare Iceland to Ireland. They stand as polar opposites! Greece is in the same boat as Ireland, only worse, as Ireland really had some economic base, Greece has none worth mentioning.

In the USA we have a hybrid bailout, with the ultimate costs going onto the general public via the Fed Policies and direct bailouts. In the end, most bank losses in the USA are being paid by average folks.

As long as people refuse to act up, we will get more of the same.

The Icelanders really are the Heroic people of the 21st century. We are in a position now that people either fight back or they will be crushed by banks and rigged markets. Manipulations by the Fed force the losses onto average people. The criminla gang in congress approves. We elect them over and over again, and they screw us over and over again. SOmeone needs to ask the voters, "What the fuck are you thinking?"

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 14:21 | Link to Comment Squiddly Diddly
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Well said.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 14:25 | Link to Comment Totentänzerlied
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Icelanders didn't fight back. Iceland is still under control, situation normal, all systems nominal. Banish the Iceland myth from your mind.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 16:22 | Link to Comment prains
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thanks for the link

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 16:37 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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I've heard that before and seen that link before and read it. Still, I would appreciate if you could be clearer than that link was as to why you think Icleanders are still ging to be paying the banks losses.

No, everything is not all right in Iceland, but can you really say Iceland and Ireland are equal? That Icelanders owe the same taxes, austerity and government debts that Irish taxpayes owe, all to make good bank losses.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 17:02 | Link to Comment GCT
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Jack when I look at the Greek debacle it is nothing more then an experiment.  A financial experiment being applied to a population to see how much they will tolerate to remain in the Euro.  Cyprus was the next experiment.  The fucking problem is these nutcases are learning from it and applying new ways to screw the population of a given country and at the same time keeping the dumbasses from rioting.  The politicians and their financiers will apply the same types of financial repression to any given country of the world including the USA.  The only problem with the USA currently, is they have not had much sucess with confiscating our firearms.  There is a huge difference with an armed society and an unarmed society.

I know Europe has a large amount of privately own forearms after living there for five years.  The huge difference is most are stored in local armoreries.  Unless of course you have the influence and money to keep them at home and meet the strigent requirements to keep them. 

I hope most here have noted that most of these experiments are being carried out on countries that basically do not have any clout on the world stage or the European stage.  These countries will continue to be screwed and either tell the EMU to fuck off finally which in my mind is the only prudent thing to do or take it in the ass.  I think there will indeed come a time when they have had enough but the country will already be in ruins without a shot being fired.  Notice how the large power players in this Euro scheme are not being screwed with as much as the small guys.

Could you imagine if a depositor confiscation happened in Italy, Spain, or France?  Not going to happen until they learn just how badly they can screw the population first.  Some here call them sheeple but alot of those so called sheeple are hoping things will change.  But they won't.  I try my best day in and day out not to be a doom and gloomer but lately governments prefer to screw their own people until they cannot.  The only ones rebelling are in the Middle East.  They are rebelling not because of what the media spouts on the TV day in and day out.  They are rebelling because their governments are screwing them. Noticed how they are an armed society!

Food prices and unemployment are killing people there not factions of this and factions of that.  The same will come to other country's when their people have had enough of this fucking game of bailing out banks and corporations and politiians.  Real people are dying.  Coming to every country soon if we do not put a stop to these financial and corporate games being played on us the people!!  I will most likely be dead at my age before most ever wake up or there will be a world war and not much will remain.  It sickens me to see how dumb people really are!

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:35 | Link to Comment bugs_
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as Idi Amin Dada might say - "too many people are having bus accidents"

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:40 | Link to Comment rockraider3
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If this was America.  If we were in as dire straights as Greece.  Would it be any different here?  I'm not sure. 

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:48 | Link to Comment emersonreturn
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jack burton.  +1

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:52 | Link to Comment 22winmag
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Just wait until the underreported student loan suicides kick in with the interest rate hike and the utter lack of quality jobs.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 16:34 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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Bingo! Student loan debt is a monster that haunts an entire generation. Low wage jobs, or no jobs + massive student loan debt = a generation stuck in hopelss poverty.

Yet High Schools still try and steer every kid into college, every college encourages students to borrow lots of money to take mostly uselss courses.  We all know college is needed for the professional classes. But we now have average to below aveage students going to college and taking useless easy courses in fileds already overcrowed with college graduates.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:57 | Link to Comment monad
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"You must labor until we have dominion over the minds and bodies of every important person in your nation. You must achieve such disrepute for the state of insanity and such authority over its pronouncement that not one statesman so labeled could again be given credence by his people. You must work until suicide arising from mental imbalance is common and calls forth no general investigation or remark. With the institutions for the insane you have in your country prisons that can hold a million persons and can hold them without civil rights or any hope of freedom. And upon these people can be practiced shock and surgery so that never again will they draw a sane breath. You must make these treatments common and accepted. And you must sweep aside any treatment or any group of persons seeking to treat by effective means." -  Brainwashing, A Synthesis of the Russian Manual, Psykopolitik

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 13:56 | Link to Comment Mad Mohel
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Protest? It looked like one of the local motorcycling clubs was doing a tour. Those bitches run on gas, so things can't be too bad.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 14:10 | Link to Comment epi_tis_thalassis
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These ones are the municipal police guys that as has been announced they are to be purged as an offering to the gods of troika for the next tranche of money to come.

So these motorbikes are municipal police ones.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 17:08 | Link to Comment epi_tis_thalassis
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As the Germans very well know from their first invasion, Greece in the last few centuries has been producing excessive numbers of heros and traitors. The latter have been mostly controlling governments working for different patrons and their own enrichment even in the darkest of times. The rest of the population has been trying to survive somewhere between the heroic legacies and the filth in control of the state. 

And the bright minds that don't get out of the country get burned.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 14:08 | Link to Comment 0b1knob
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"Too Many People Are Committing Suicide"


As opposed to the US where an optimal number of people are committing suicide?

 One persistent rumor about the strange shortage of ammunition is that the US government is trying to make it difficult for people to commit suicide.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 14:15 | Link to Comment ian807
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Too many? How many would be about right?

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 14:32 | Link to Comment robnume
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At least these Greek folk are out there attempting to do something per protest. I'm not saying that this is the answer; it won't work, but I take comfort that some people, somewhere, are as mad as hell and aren't going to take this anymore. Wow, some of these comments indicate a real disdain for the common folk! Sheeple don't get off of their fat asses to go out to protest at all, i.e., citizens of the United Stasi of Amerika. These folks are too busy playing video games or playing with their smart phones or watching the idiot box reality shows. When BB announced that they had sold out of the new X-Box one in one day, I thought, uhhuh, this sounds about right. Amerikaners know little to nothing about what our "leaders" are doing to the entire planet, and believe me, the average Amerikaner doesn't give a shit. They don't write, read, can't spell and have the attention span of gnats (no offense to the gnat; at least he has a purposeful life). Greece's only way out is through leaving the EMU/EU. Get that fucking Troika outta here!!

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 15:53 | Link to Comment epwpixieq-1
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"People are angry." - put it simply, people do not like when someone does not throw money at them out of the blue sky ( Like Mr. Ben Shalom Bernanke ), especially when they are used to this in the last 20 or so years.

So they want money, and the good time to come back, but the music has stopped and now there is no chair for one of the players. In short, suck it up, create wealth by doing something useful.

Guess where the music will be stopping next, in one form or another, and if does not stop bus speeds up, when there is considerable inflation, the music is so fast that no one will like dancing, and people will start looking for chairs, as if, the music has stopped.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 17:01 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Golden Dawns doesn't commit suicide. That was Heaven's Gate..

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 19:07 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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Sounds like a job for Sovereign Man!!

Ridicule them for not having gold and fine wine locked away in 30 third world safety deposit boxes

Act surprised when none of them say they have neighboring farm land to your acres in Brazil and Mongolia

Piss on them as you grab hold of the rope ladder from your black helicopter with on hand while carrying two Greek whores in your other

Another job well done by Sovereign Man!!

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 19:14 | Link to Comment MS7
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No need to go postal. If the majority, or maybe not even the majority but just a significant percent of the people, would vote for one of the new parties that advocate exit from the euro, there would be a real plan of action. Even if they don't achieve a majority, it would give Greece more leverage with the troika. As it is now, the troika just thinks of them as sheeple and does not fear them. A few molotov cocktails don't scare troika. Nor do fake socialist political parties that promise never to leave the euro.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 21:05 | Link to Comment Promethus
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Remember the Arab spring started with the suicide of a put upon street vendor in Tunisia.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 21:09 | Link to Comment Promethus
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In the Divine Comedy the sign over the entrance to hell says: Abandon all  hope, he who enters.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 22:57 | Link to Comment DaveA
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There's a good reason no one's talking about a "Grexit":  Swapping euros for drachmas would effect swift, deep pay cuts for politicians and civil servants, and large pay raises for the private sector, at least the exporting portion thereof.

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