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With the revelation that the federal government, through the National Security Agency, has been collecting phone and Internet records of U.S. citizens in the name of preventing terrorism, Americans are wondering whether private communication exists. In the infograohic below, we explore how this surveillance works and the history of domestic spying programs (because, let’s face it, they’re not new) and how, even with broader knowledge of the government’s activities, a minority of Americans oppose such programs.

 

Domestic Spying

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Thu, 07/11/2013 - 20:33 | 3743483 New_Meat
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YES!

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 20:41 | 3743506 krispkritter
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Yes? Great!  FUCK YOU BERNANKE, OBAMA, HOLDER, AND YOU 3-LETTER AGENCY BAGS OF SHIT! 

(why are they now 3-letter agencies?  I though Nazis was 5....)

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 21:02 | 3743550 sunaJ
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The reason why the majority of Americans does not have a problem with it, is because we are still living the lie of that system. When they have something to lose (their job, their savings, etc.), they will revolt. TPTB know this, and that is why they are happy to be making lists, buying ammo, and preparing for a time when the current paradigm no longer exists.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 21:05 | 3743567 SWRichmond
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Re: the previous article about Snowden's revelations of Microsoft's being in bed with NSA:

What company will ever have an R&D budget again?  Who will ever spend money developing a new product when we all know that the spooks have copies of all of our company secrets?  Does anyone really believe they're not selling them?

Now ask yourself:

What happens to employment when product development stops?

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 22:45 | 3743836 sunaJ
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Amen. And I would only add that what is being replaced by the middle class is the welfare brought to you by the growth and intensity of the oligarchical state. Snowden is a reflection of that in the political realm. He is the scream of humanity, but as often, we are deaf to him, immune to his cries because we are entranced in an ideology...one that no longer can reflect reality.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 23:02 | 3743882 pods
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I think that many today cannot actually think. There always has to be a storyline to follow, and if information cannot fit within their current paradigm, it is tossed out.

There is nothing worse than realizing you were duped.  And people will go a long way to prove that they weren't.

Take the Snowden thing.  Most of the arguments I have seen, even on ZH, have been about his motives, whether he is a hero, plant, etc.

Very little introspection into the realization that our very government views us (possibly, until we prove allegiance) with the same lens as the myriad of brown people throughout the world who will not submit to the US juggernaut.  

I took some time and sat back and thought about it.  That my government, the one we allegedly created to guard OUR liberty, now views everything and everyone as a possible threat.  

And that threat is not to the ones that it has been created to protect, but threats to itself.

I wish to God that some of the millions of government workers sat back and thought about this. They must feel it more than I do, as they are now required to look at their friends and colleagues with distrust and as a possible threat to the government. 

Think about that the next time the national anthem comes over the loudspeaker and you feel yourself, like one of Pavlov's dogs, rising from your chair.

pods

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 23:27 | 3743920 erg
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Not only that but the fact that anyone of importance, anywhere...has been compromised.

Edit: That post took a bit to stick. It must have been all that splitter/router fractured, fractal bullshit.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 02:14 | 3744177 pavman
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LOL!  My friend went to work for the NSA around 2008.  I told her to make me disappear when the time comes.  I got crickets and a blank stare when I mentioned that, but I know at some point later it registered to her.  We all know where this is heading, and it ain't gonna be pretty.  Welcome to the definition of Tyranny my strange internet friend, the complete opposite of Anarchy which is what an immoral government fears.

Fear should never be a motivator for actions in life, especially for legislative changes.  Only tyrants wield fear in front of the eyes of the people to gain their support. 

It is a sad day when the country our Forefather's fought so hard to establish, thought so thoroughly to safeguard liberty, is tossed out and we're forced to pay for our neighbor's medical care because 'its the thing to do.'  Its just modern slavery... just like the other failed 20th century entitlement programs, it too will fail but will have far reaching, unforeseen consequences.  If we had no entitlement programs, we'd have no immigration problem.  Think about that...

The ironic twist is that we didn't even get free healthcare out of all of this BS.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 07:32 | 3744401 SWRichmond
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So if the NSA has a backdoor into Microsoft operating systems BEFORE any encryption, Microsoft has violated the HIPAA security rule.  Class action suit, anyone?

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 12:47 | 3745670 Trampy
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Sig Heil!

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:41 | 3744715 Element
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SunaJ "The reason why the majority of Americans does not have a problem with it, is because we are still living the lie of that system. When they have something to lose (their job, their savings, etc.), they will revolt. TPTB know this, and that is why they are happy to be making lists, buying ammo, and preparing for a time when the current paradigm no longer exists."

 

so US gov are preping for SHTF? ... thought they said survivalist prepers were bad ... I'm so confused ...

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 20:56 | 3743542 Strut
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“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” -Ben Franklin

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 20:57 | 3743546 Crtrvlt
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And will lose both

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 21:08 | 3743576 CH1
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Correction, we LOST both. Washington DC stole them.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 22:20 | 3743775 Croesus
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And ECHELON didn't even get an 'honorable mention'? ? ? ?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-164651.html

http://pubrecord.org/nation/2290/revisiting-echelon-nsas/

"Mike Frost, who spent 20 years as a spy for the CSE, the Canadian equivalent of the National Security Agency, told the news program 60 Minutes in February 2000 how Echelon routinely eavesdrops on many average people at any given moment and how, depending on what you say either in an email or over the telephone, you could end up on an NSA watch list.

While I was at CSE, a classic example: A lady had been to a school play the night before, and her son was in the school play and she thought he did a – a lousy job. Next morning, she was talking on the telephone to her friend, and she said to her friend something like this, ‘Oh, Danny really bombed last night,’ just like that,” Frost said. “The computer spit that conversation out. The analyst that was looking at it was not too sure about what the conversation was referring to, so erring on the side of caution, he listed that lady and her phone number in the database as a possible terrorist."

 

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 02:22 | 3744187 pavman
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Since I started working for a heavily bureaucratic NGO, I can totally see this.  Brain dead idiots who won't go above their paygrade or do things that aren't documented abound.  It blows my mind.  I can imagine the government is 10x worse.  I was previously at a Fortune 10 company and, while you had some idiocy there, it wasn't nearly as entrenched and definitely was not encouraged.  ITIL and an antiquated 20th Century, hierarchical business model discourage decision making skills and punish those who can think for themselves, while allowing poor decision makers to flourish.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 20:34 | 3743486 CunnyFunt
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Loose lips sink ships.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 20:47 | 3743528 Ban KKiller
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1crYavhnv4

 

Rolling Stones..."fingerprint file" with lyrics. 1974! Yeah...again.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 20:57 | 3743491 The Thunder Child
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Poll is utter bullshit, 58% support my ass nobody likes being spied on and having their privacy invaded....if you did an unbiased poll you would find it was probably 15% maximum in the US. If you did a global poll it would be less then 10%.

Edit: Just checked their sources for any type of poll and there is jack squat did they just pull the numbers out of their ass?

Tylers by posting this cartoon crap with the 58% support on the bottom you are helping them spread their dung around. Check out their take on Al CIAda http://www.securitydegreehub.com/al-qaeda/ I guess they forgot the part where the US created and funded Al Qaeda as well as currently arming, supporting and supplying them in Syria.

NSA Blackmailing Obama? Russ Tice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6m1XbWOfVk

NSA Whistleblower: Russel Tice - Rogue Agency - Mass Blackmail - Full Interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPyxeqcCjkc

NSA spy scandal: It’s even worse than Snowden says

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/06/29/nsa-spy-scandal-its-even-worse-t...

William Binney, whistleblower and former NSA crypto-mathematician who served in the agency for decades.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuET0kpHoyM

/rant off

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 21:10 | 3743578 The Thunder Child
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Fri, 07/12/2013 - 01:52 | 3744147 Adahy
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I hear Tracy City is nice this time of year.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 20:38 | 3743493 GeezerGeek
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The NSA could get an even higher favorable rating if they pushed their activities as a means of preventing identity theft. Why pay for a private service when the NSA knows everything as soon as it's done? Soon to be 'as soon as you think it'. Ordinary Americans might as well derive some benefit from all the tax dollars going down the black hole of intelligence gathering.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 20:38 | 3743499 Dr. Engali
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I have yet to meet one of those "58%".

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 20:43 | 3743511 CunnyFunt
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They are the ones on Paxil and Zoloft.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 20:44 | 3743518 krispkritter
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Everyone with bennies and an Obama phone was automatically entered as 'Yes'.  At least if it gets bad enough we'll be able to find lists to know who the Obama voters are and deport them or force them to move to California(and then use HAARP to trigger the San Adreas, etc. to fault...)

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 20:57 | 3743545 knukles
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Wait a fuzing minute!
Hows about using Detroit and sinking it into Lake Erie FFS?
Why's everybody got a rock in their crack about California.  It's fucked up, but no more so than NYC or a lot of other places!
Well, OK... we do have Maxine Waters.  And Pelouis.  And Boxer and Fienestein.... 

 

think I'll just stop there....

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 21:21 | 3743603 krispkritter
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We'd need a lot more space than Detroit to hold them all.  I figure why not one and done?  And if you still live in CA, I can't understand why you don't move...

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 20:41 | 3743502 Judge Crater
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Can you hear me now? Yes!

Can you see me now? Yes!

Am I now a goldfish? Yes!

Are my taxes paying your salary, Mr. Snooper? Yes!

What is your salary?  Sorry, top secret!

And if you ask that again, we will put a toilet cam in your bathroom.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 20:44 | 3743516 blindman
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someone is always listening, the question is whether that
entity is moronic or intelligent, enlightened or,
as a fungus or mold, proliferating in the dark and
basically evil, so to
speak, nothing against mold or fungi. are we all
human adults here or are there children with wicked
agendas at play and in charge of certain accounts and money creation
frauds at the helm? oh my, yes, it became law long ago.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 20:56 | 3743530 erg
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.--. .-.. . .- ... . stop ..-. ..- -.-. -.- stop --- ..-. ..-.

Edit: Morse Code for please fuck off

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 20:52 | 3743537 knukles
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Listening?
Everything in the ether, on cable, coax, fibre, typed, seen (keyboard and screen) is theirs. 
Period, end of conversation.
Everything.
Encoded, encrypted, open, it matters not.
It is theirs.
The shit is Hoovered up wholesale.
There is no privacy in the electronic age.

And I'm all fer it 'cuz it's keepin me, Mable and Fido safe...Damn commies under every rock, I tel ya', everywhere.

 

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 20:58 | 3743547 Skateboarder
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The breaking point for the human species will be its collective apparatus built to predict every thought of yours before it occurs. All in the name of science, right?

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 22:45 | 3743841 pods
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No doubt the precrime division is working on an algorithm that analyzes eye blinks through your webcam while you read webpages.

pods

 

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 21:00 | 3743552 Bay of Pigs
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You would think the NSA beginning in 1952 might have been included on that chart.

They dwarf the CIA in size and scope and anything else in the intelligence community. 

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 21:03 | 3743561 useless_fact
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Hitler and Eva Braun were married in 1945 and killed themselves 36 hours later.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 21:57 | 3743704 blindman
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well done I say !

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 21:07 | 3743575 contrarian
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Samsung TV's (and probably other brands) have cameras embedded in them:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2117493/Samsungs-latest-T...

What is to stop the government from looking into your living room?

 

Gary Merson, who runs website HD guru, said that because there is no way of disconnecting the camera and microphone, users cannot be 100 per cent sure that Samsung is not collecting data and passing it on to third parties.

 

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 21:21 | 3743602 erg
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*with wheedling voice* Yeah but it's just your outline or something. Just to keep us safe right?

Ya know...like the chalk outlines of people that fall asleep in parking lots. I see them all over the place.

Maybe it's so they can find their bed again.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 21:14 | 3743590 erg
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That's it...I'm gonna start surveilling myself. Those beady, shifty eyes. I can't turn my back on myself for even a moment.

I'll taze myself too if needed. I don't want to but I will.

Don't taze you bro!

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 21:15 | 3743591 TahoeBilly2012
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I am not suprised, my liberal Facebook friends are class A dumbshits.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 21:25 | 3743609 FreedomGuy
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58% approve? What was the poll question and who was polled?

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 22:48 | 3743846 pods
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In this day and age polls are used to make public opinion, not to take it.

pods

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 21:36 | 3743642 Icewater Enema
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This has been going on forever. Try reading this, The American Black Chamber

http://www.amazon.com/American-Black-Chamber-Bluejacket-Books/dp/1591149894/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1373592453&sr=1-1&keywords=the+american+black+chamber

 

There was the FBI's  Carnivore program in the 90's. And it's not like no one was paying attention, even a year ago:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/

But no one was interested, apparently. Even Sun Tsu had a chapter on the importance of spying on your enemy (or whomever else you were interested in). I'm not saying it's OK, just that this is not something that started with the internet and cell phones.

 

 

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 21:47 | 3743676 cherry picker
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What if a reward was offered for the arrest and apprehension for the people involved with PRISM and the private corporations such as Microsoft and Google which did not protect our information?

I want to see some justice and enforcement of the Constitution.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 22:50 | 3743852 pods
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I think you are a bit confused as to who they are working for.

On the bright side, you are now in the running for 3 hots and a cot at camp FEMA.

How are your softball skills?  Can you turn a double play?

We might need a shortstop.

pods

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 23:25 | 3743931 Icewater Enema
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Indeed. We wouldn't expect the executioner to cut his own head off, would we?

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 23:44 | 3743974 Skateboarder
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Except softball might be replaced with chained-to-machine-ball.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 06:46 | 3744353 bunnyswanson
Thu, 07/11/2013 - 22:19 | 3743764 newengland
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I have nothing to hide and nothing to fear. 

However, I do object most vehemently to Big Brother and apparatchiks trashing the Constitution for their own profit, and providing no better security, and curtailing the liberty which is to be enjoyed by every free born person...all in the pursuit of their freak fascist nazionist, monarchy, vatican.

I do object to that as a matter of principle.

The ungrateful child is sharper than a serpent's tooth.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 22:27 | 3743790 blindman
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@"..The ungrateful child is sharper than a serpent's tooth." ..
that is sweet and true my friend.
.
" call me Ishmael ..." h.m.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 22:35 | 3743810 newengland
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Some truths transcend mere politics, my friend. 

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 22:55 | 3743863 GreatUncle
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The problem is and get a feeling Snowden knows more was realising the system is moving into a new era. The article was written believing it was only "passive monitoring" taking place.

Now change it to "active monitoring" and a whole different ball game where in real time at any instant communication may be terminated "guilty or not" or maybe a direct injection of malicious data into the communication stream. You computer is toast guilty or not.

The concept of defcon 1,2,3,4 was to provide pauses in the process to protect innocent actions by others now the system moves to a prememptive first strike capabilitiy and pauses removed.

The article glosses over this using the terms like we have always been monitored but it is very different where with a first strike capability you may be silenced without trial.

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 23:22 | 3743923 Icewater Enema
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Yeah, though this is also already happening. Use a virus to deposit child porn on someone's computer, then call the police on them claiming "I think they are trafficking in child porn." Voila! A self-fulfilling prophecy. Sort of like the swatting that some people are doing but covert. Then trial, conviction, and incarceration with the appearance of legitimacy and none of that uncomfortable facist stuff.

Or the more interesting use of you as a mule. They don't want your info, but you are going to be in a place they want to monitor. So they hack into your smart phone and use its camera and microphone to monitor the activity there without you knowing.  

Thu, 07/11/2013 - 22:57 | 3743867 notadouche
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If I wanted everyone to know what I was doing I would live in a glass house and have speakers installed that enables all those around me to see and hear everything I do.  I don't particularly want to live in that environement or not regardless of whether or not I have anything to hide.  In fact I have things to hide.  Doesn't mean there illegal it just means i don't care for any and everyone to know my business unless I share with them of my own free will.  Not sure how that concept can be so hard to comprehend.  

Of course there is always the problem of doctoring and editing someone's spied upon activities that appear to show whatever the "minder" wants to show.  Of course that would never happen in the USA but just saying.  Some untrustworthy country that has a history of deceit and bullying political opponents might just be tempted to engage in this sort of activity with all of this ill gotten information.  I have full faith in the integrity and honesty of all of our elected officials that could potentially have access to such information as there has never been a situation of abuse of power so I know we can all rest easy concerning this NSA program.  I also believe the politicians welcome their "private" dealings shown on some reality tv program for the enjoyment of us all.  Some kind of Buck Wild version would really draw the ratings and perhaps the procedes could pay down some of the debt incurred by the invention of this program. 

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 00:06 | 3744006 q99x2
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Keep up the good work.

But I can tell you right now that no one ever listens to me.

Not even the gosh darn dog.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 00:11 | 3744019 jack stephan
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By my telephone don't ever ring.....

http://youtu.be/pHn6Pe8p1RM

Hello you robots, you only have a job to hear endless nonsense, good going. Good luck on that promised retirement and other incentives.

Take a weekend off zh you earned it, from all this "blank".

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 06:09 | 3744335 bozzy
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With all the data comes absolute power.

Power corrupts: absolute power corrupts absolutely

 

 

 

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 08:10 | 3744434 Burticus
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My girlfriend just boarded a plane in Holland to return to the United State_.  She called to tell me that anyone with a passport from any of the the formerly-independent states in Europe was required to pose in front of a facial scanner contraption, in exchange for the privilege of boarding a plane.  Of course, the sheeple obediently lined up to comply.

Uhmurka can survive the BushBillBama regime, but cannot survive a population of sheeple clueless enough to repeatedly approve these elephant/jackass party anointees and bend over for the anal probe.

She originally left Holland to excape fascist/socialist/communist tyranny, but is disgusted to see it rapidly evolving in the United State_, the death of the republic accompanied by the sound of cheers and applause.

It is about time for me to do the same thing as my first ancestor who arrived in America in 1658 - expatriate to a remote corner of South America, in the same quest for political & economic liberty, freedom from gubmint.

"The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime, and the punishment of his guilt." - John Curran

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:12 | 3744844 Zarba
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Does anyone have any knowledge of the security of Tor, and whether it is indeed safe ans secure?  My gut says nothing out there is truly secure.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:12 | 3744846 Zarba
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Does anyone have any knowledge of the security of Tor, and whether it is indeed safe and secure?  My gut says nothing out there is truly secure.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:20 | 3744886 Goldbugger
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The NSA  is repealing the Magna Carta and priciples of liberty.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9gqIPJgN_E

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