Is Someone Listening?

Tyler Durden's picture

With the revelation that the federal government, through the National Security Agency, has been collecting phone and Internet records of U.S. citizens in the name of preventing terrorism, Americans are wondering whether private communication exists. In the infograohic below, we explore how this surveillance works and the history of domestic spying programs (because, let’s face it, they’re not new) and how, even with broader knowledge of the government’s activities, a minority of Americans oppose such programs.


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krispkritter's picture


(why are they now 3-letter agencies?  I though Nazis was 5....)

sunaJ's picture

The reason why the majority of Americans does not have a problem with it, is because we are still living the lie of that system. When they have something to lose (their job, their savings, etc.), they will revolt. TPTB know this, and that is why they are happy to be making lists, buying ammo, and preparing for a time when the current paradigm no longer exists.

SWRichmond's picture

Re: the previous article about Snowden's revelations of Microsoft's being in bed with NSA:

What company will ever have an R&D budget again?  Who will ever spend money developing a new product when we all know that the spooks have copies of all of our company secrets?  Does anyone really believe they're not selling them?

Now ask yourself:

What happens to employment when product development stops?

sunaJ's picture

Amen. And I would only add that what is being replaced by the middle class is the welfare brought to you by the growth and intensity of the oligarchical state. Snowden is a reflection of that in the political realm. He is the scream of humanity, but as often, we are deaf to him, immune to his cries because we are entranced in an that no longer can reflect reality.

pods's picture

I think that many today cannot actually think. There always has to be a storyline to follow, and if information cannot fit within their current paradigm, it is tossed out.

There is nothing worse than realizing you were duped.  And people will go a long way to prove that they weren't.

Take the Snowden thing.  Most of the arguments I have seen, even on ZH, have been about his motives, whether he is a hero, plant, etc.

Very little introspection into the realization that our very government views us (possibly, until we prove allegiance) with the same lens as the myriad of brown people throughout the world who will not submit to the US juggernaut.  

I took some time and sat back and thought about it.  That my government, the one we allegedly created to guard OUR liberty, now views everything and everyone as a possible threat.  

And that threat is not to the ones that it has been created to protect, but threats to itself.

I wish to God that some of the millions of government workers sat back and thought about this. They must feel it more than I do, as they are now required to look at their friends and colleagues with distrust and as a possible threat to the government. 

Think about that the next time the national anthem comes over the loudspeaker and you feel yourself, like one of Pavlov's dogs, rising from your chair.


erg's picture

Not only that but the fact that anyone of importance, anywhere...has been compromised.

Edit: That post took a bit to stick. It must have been all that splitter/router fractured, fractal bullshit.

pavman's picture

LOL!  My friend went to work for the NSA around 2008.  I told her to make me disappear when the time comes.  I got crickets and a blank stare when I mentioned that, but I know at some point later it registered to her.  We all know where this is heading, and it ain't gonna be pretty.  Welcome to the definition of Tyranny my strange internet friend, the complete opposite of Anarchy which is what an immoral government fears.

Fear should never be a motivator for actions in life, especially for legislative changes.  Only tyrants wield fear in front of the eyes of the people to gain their support. 

It is a sad day when the country our Forefather's fought so hard to establish, thought so thoroughly to safeguard liberty, is tossed out and we're forced to pay for our neighbor's medical care because 'its the thing to do.'  Its just modern slavery... just like the other failed 20th century entitlement programs, it too will fail but will have far reaching, unforeseen consequences.  If we had no entitlement programs, we'd have no immigration problem.  Think about that...

The ironic twist is that we didn't even get free healthcare out of all of this BS.

SWRichmond's picture

So if the NSA has a backdoor into Microsoft operating systems BEFORE any encryption, Microsoft has violated the HIPAA security rule.  Class action suit, anyone?

Element's picture



SunaJ "The reason why the majority of Americans does not have a problem with it, is because we are still living the lie of that system. When they have something to lose (their job, their savings, etc.), they will revolt. TPTB know this, and that is why they are happy to be making lists, buying ammo, and preparing for a time when the current paradigm no longer exists."


so US gov are preping for SHTF? ... thought they said survivalist prepers were bad ... I'm so confused ...

Strut's picture

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” -Ben Franklin

CH1's picture

Correction, we LOST both. Washington DC stole them.

Croesus's picture

And ECHELON didn't even get an 'honorable mention'? ? ? ?

"Mike Frost, who spent 20 years as a spy for the CSE, the Canadian equivalent of the National Security Agency, told the news program 60 Minutes in February 2000 how Echelon routinely eavesdrops on many average people at any given moment and how, depending on what you say either in an email or over the telephone, you could end up on an NSA watch list.

While I was at CSE, a classic example: A lady had been to a school play the night before, and her son was in the school play and she thought he did a – a lousy job. Next morning, she was talking on the telephone to her friend, and she said to her friend something like this, ‘Oh, Danny really bombed last night,’ just like that,” Frost said. “The computer spit that conversation out. The analyst that was looking at it was not too sure about what the conversation was referring to, so erring on the side of caution, he listed that lady and her phone number in the database as a possible terrorist."


pavman's picture

Since I started working for a heavily bureaucratic NGO, I can totally see this.  Brain dead idiots who won't go above their paygrade or do things that aren't documented abound.  It blows my mind.  I can imagine the government is 10x worse.  I was previously at a Fortune 10 company and, while you had some idiocy there, it wasn't nearly as entrenched and definitely was not encouraged.  ITIL and an antiquated 20th Century, hierarchical business model discourage decision making skills and punish those who can think for themselves, while allowing poor decision makers to flourish.

CunnyFunt's picture

Loose lips sink ships.

Ban KKiller's picture


Rolling Stones..."fingerprint file" with lyrics. 1974! Yeah...again.

The Thunder Child's picture

Poll is utter bullshit, 58% support my ass nobody likes being spied on and having their privacy invaded....if you did an unbiased poll you would find it was probably 15% maximum in the US. If you did a global poll it would be less then 10%.

Edit: Just checked their sources for any type of poll and there is jack squat did they just pull the numbers out of their ass?

Tylers by posting this cartoon crap with the 58% support on the bottom you are helping them spread their dung around. Check out their take on Al CIAda I guess they forgot the part where the US created and funded Al Qaeda as well as currently arming, supporting and supplying them in Syria.

NSA Blackmailing Obama? Russ Tice

NSA Whistleblower: Russel Tice - Rogue Agency - Mass Blackmail - Full Interview

NSA spy scandal: It’s even worse than Snowden says

William Binney, whistleblower and former NSA crypto-mathematician who served in the agency for decades.

/rant off

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Adahy's picture

I hear Tracy City is nice this time of year.

GeezerGeek's picture

The NSA could get an even higher favorable rating if they pushed their activities as a means of preventing identity theft. Why pay for a private service when the NSA knows everything as soon as it's done? Soon to be 'as soon as you think it'. Ordinary Americans might as well derive some benefit from all the tax dollars going down the black hole of intelligence gathering.

Dr. Engali's picture

I have yet to meet one of those "58%".

CunnyFunt's picture

They are the ones on Paxil and Zoloft.

krispkritter's picture

Everyone with bennies and an Obama phone was automatically entered as 'Yes'.  At least if it gets bad enough we'll be able to find lists to know who the Obama voters are and deport them or force them to move to California(and then use HAARP to trigger the San Adreas, etc. to fault...)

knukles's picture

Wait a fuzing minute!
Hows about using Detroit and sinking it into Lake Erie FFS?
Why's everybody got a rock in their crack about California.  It's fucked up, but no more so than NYC or a lot of other places!
Well, OK... we do have Maxine Waters.  And Pelouis.  And Boxer and Fienestein.... 


think I'll just stop there....

krispkritter's picture

We'd need a lot more space than Detroit to hold them all.  I figure why not one and done?  And if you still live in CA, I can't understand why you don't move...

Judge Crater's picture

Can you hear me now? Yes!

Can you see me now? Yes!

Am I now a goldfish? Yes!

Are my taxes paying your salary, Mr. Snooper? Yes!

What is your salary?  Sorry, top secret!

And if you ask that again, we will put a toilet cam in your bathroom.

blindman's picture

someone is always listening, the question is whether that
entity is moronic or intelligent, enlightened or,
as a fungus or mold, proliferating in the dark and
basically evil, so to
speak, nothing against mold or fungi. are we all
human adults here or are there children with wicked
agendas at play and in charge of certain accounts and money creation
frauds at the helm? oh my, yes, it became law long ago.

erg's picture

.--. .-.. . .- ... . stop ..-. ..- -.-. -.- stop --- ..-. ..-.

Edit: Morse Code for please fuck off

knukles's picture

Everything in the ether, on cable, coax, fibre, typed, seen (keyboard and screen) is theirs. 
Period, end of conversation.
Encoded, encrypted, open, it matters not.
It is theirs.
The shit is Hoovered up wholesale.
There is no privacy in the electronic age.

And I'm all fer it 'cuz it's keepin me, Mable and Fido safe...Damn commies under every rock, I tel ya', everywhere.


Skateboarder's picture

The breaking point for the human species will be its collective apparatus built to predict every thought of yours before it occurs. All in the name of science, right?

pods's picture

No doubt the precrime division is working on an algorithm that analyzes eye blinks through your webcam while you read webpages.



Bay of Pigs's picture

You would think the NSA beginning in 1952 might have been included on that chart.

They dwarf the CIA in size and scope and anything else in the intelligence community. 

useless_fact's picture

Hitler and Eva Braun were married in 1945 and killed themselves 36 hours later.

contrarian's picture

Samsung TV's (and probably other brands) have cameras embedded in them:

What is to stop the government from looking into your living room?


Gary Merson, who runs website HD guru, said that because there is no way of disconnecting the camera and microphone, users cannot be 100 per cent sure that Samsung is not collecting data and passing it on to third parties.


erg's picture

*with wheedling voice* Yeah but it's just your outline or something. Just to keep us safe right?

Ya the chalk outlines of people that fall asleep in parking lots. I see them all over the place.

Maybe it's so they can find their bed again.

erg's picture

That's it...I'm gonna start surveilling myself. Those beady, shifty eyes. I can't turn my back on myself for even a moment.

I'll taze myself too if needed. I don't want to but I will.

Don't taze you bro!

TahoeBilly2012's picture

I am not suprised, my liberal Facebook friends are class A dumbshits.

FreedomGuy's picture

58% approve? What was the poll question and who was polled?

pods's picture

In this day and age polls are used to make public opinion, not to take it.


Icewater Enema's picture

This has been going on forever. Try reading this, The American Black Chamber


There was the FBI's  Carnivore program in the 90's. And it's not like no one was paying attention, even a year ago:

But no one was interested, apparently. Even Sun Tsu had a chapter on the importance of spying on your enemy (or whomever else you were interested in). I'm not saying it's OK, just that this is not something that started with the internet and cell phones.



cherry picker's picture

What if a reward was offered for the arrest and apprehension for the people involved with PRISM and the private corporations such as Microsoft and Google which did not protect our information?

I want to see some justice and enforcement of the Constitution.

pods's picture

I think you are a bit confused as to who they are working for.

On the bright side, you are now in the running for 3 hots and a cot at camp FEMA.

How are your softball skills?  Can you turn a double play?

We might need a shortstop.


Icewater Enema's picture

Indeed. We wouldn't expect the executioner to cut his own head off, would we?

Skateboarder's picture

Except softball might be replaced with chained-to-machine-ball.

newengland's picture

I have nothing to hide and nothing to fear. 

However, I do object most vehemently to Big Brother and apparatchiks trashing the Constitution for their own profit, and providing no better security, and curtailing the liberty which is to be enjoyed by every free born person...all in the pursuit of their freak fascist nazionist, monarchy, vatican.

I do object to that as a matter of principle.

The ungrateful child is sharper than a serpent's tooth.

blindman's picture

@"..The ungrateful child is sharper than a serpent's tooth." ..
that is sweet and true my friend.
" call me Ishmael ..." h.m.