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Which Is Greater: Full Time Jobs Or Americans On Food Assistance And Disability?
Over the past week there has been some speculation whether the number of Americans who receive food assistance and/or are on disability, outnumber full-time employed workers in the US.
Here is the answer:
- There are 116 million Americans with full-time jobs according to the BLS (source), which includes 21.9 million government workers (source).
So far so good. Now the flip side showing how many Americans are reliant on the USDA's Food and Nutrition Services program or on Disability payments, i.e., food assistance in some form:
- There are 47.5 million Americans on Foodstamps
- There are 30.4 million Americans participating in the National School Lunch Program
- There are 13.2 million Americans participating in the School Breakfast Program
- There are 8.6 million Americans participating in the Special Supplemental Nutrition - Women, Infants and Children program Participants
- There are 3.4 million Americans participating in the Child and Adult Care Food Program and the Food Donation Program
- There are 0.6 million Americans participating in the Commodity Supplemental Food Program
- There are 0.1 million Americans participating in the Food Donation Program
- There are 8.6 million Americans on Disability
For a grand total of 112.5 million Americans on Food assistance (sources here and here).
End result: there are 3.5 million more Americans with full-time jobs than there are Americans who are reliant on the government for their daily bread: a tiny 3% delta.
What this means for the country, we will let readers decide.
The above is notable because Congress just passed a Farm Bill without consideration for Foodstamps funding. From Reuters:
The Republican-controlled U.S. House of Representatives defied a White House veto threat and passed a farm bill on Thursday that expands the taxpayer-subsidized crop insurance system but omitted food stamps for the poor.
Lawmakers passed the 608-page bill, unveiled by Republican leaders late on Wednesday night, on a 216-208, party-line vote after two hours of debate in which no amendments were allowed.
Republican leaders said food stamps, traditionally part of the farm bill, would be handled later and that, for now, they needed a way to start negotiations with the Senate over a compromise bill.
Democrats said the real intent of the action was to isolate food stamps for large cuts in funding.
House Speaker John Boehner declined to say if leaders would allow a vote on a farm bill with larger food stamp spending than his party liked. "We'll get to that later," he told reporters.
Massachusetts Democrat Jim McGovern said he believed conservatives were promised a chance to strive for deeper cuts to food stamps in upcoming legislation. The defeated earlier version of the farm bill would have ended benefits for 2 million people, or about 4 percent of recipients.
"A vote for this bill is a vote to end nutrition programs in America," said Rose DeLauro, a Connecticut Democrat.
Surely not even Congress is stupid enough to not realize that if the free meals of 47.5 million Americans are taken away, the consequences would be severe.
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Sure, that's believable...
How the fuck is he pulling that SHIT?
The reason there is hunger in America is because there is LAZY in America.
I pissed a lot of libtards off with this video: Hunger in America
Any able bodied man can feed his family. I'm an IT consultant and make a six figure salary. I also catch and eat, turtles, beaver, muskrats, fish, and damn near everything else that walks, crawls swims or flies.
It's not hard, it just takes a bit of learning and a lot of hard work. My entire website is dedicated to teaching people how to catch and prepare steriod free, organic, FREE meat. The Meat Trapper
If everyone followed your advice with a US population of 320 million you would soon exhaust the available wild game supply. I suggest keeping your hobby to yourself and a few enthusiasts.
You'll never eradicate all of the rats.
That is true, but we both know that not one person in a hundred thousand will actually take on the responsibility for capturing, killing and butchering their food. I make the information available for anyone who has the desire to learn and free themselves from dependence upon the system.
I suggest you exert yourself a little and think outside the trap: animal husbandry (rabbits, chicken, goats, fish, etc..). Same deal, takes a little bit of studying and a good portion of work.
*crickets*
Aww, just kidding. Dollar value meal will NEVER stop, cuz the Fed will never stop... Carry on!
As I point out on my site, animal husbandry has overhead that trapping does not. You have to house the animals, feed them, provide healthcare and you must also live in an area suitable for raising livestock.Trapping allows mother nature to handle the overhead, as well as weed out the sick and the weak.
As a note, one of my projects is to experiment with raising guinea pigs for meat. It's popular in urban areas of Latin America.
I was just going to suggest animal husbandry. Sure, it's all good and well to hunt your own food, but when it runs out, you're out of luck. Ensure there is a steady supply of food before deciding to hunt it.
If you've got such a wonderfully diverse pallette why don't you do the environment a favor and just eat fresh roadkill like Clinton Tyree.
The sad fact is that picking up road kill is illegal in many states. The government would rather you get EBT cards than pickup a freshly killed deer off the road.
Truth. In my state they've had cutbacks on the DOT people who pick up the numerous deer. So they sit there in the sun - and now there is a population explosion for turkey vultures - which are a protected species.
I used to eat beaver too.
112.5 million Americans on Food assistance = Solid Democratic Voters
Who don't vote
Who don't vote just once.
Fixed it for you.
Don't be muvin my cheese, bro
Good! Cuz there's nothing that bothers me more than those mouthy, yet apathetic people who call themselves "informed voters."
You want to destroy society? Start by abdicating personal responsiblity in the form of "representative government."
Try as you might, it ends up as a totalitarian state each and every time.
What's the definition of insanity, again?
think again. wow all those red states and counties
http://cdn3.chartsbin.com/chartimages/l_1403_956747823ce717fa7ac4cbf259912092
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/02/12/us/entitlement-map.html?src=tp
Democratic voters exist in red states. In fact, there are many of them. In some areas, they are the majority.
Thus the county breakdown as well
Lifetime Democratic Voters...not to mention beyond the grave Democratic Voters.
who's the fucker that down arrowed here? How is he wrong?
if your eligible for wic, your eligible for foodstamps, near certainty there's over lap there, only real difference is that wic is much more restrictive on what you can use it for, like a backdoor subsidy to the dairy industry.
Over 91 percent of SNAP benefits go to households with incomes below the poverty line, and 55 percent goes to households with incomes below half of the poverty line (about $9,500 for a family of three). The number of SNAP households that have earnings while participating in SNAP has more than tripled — from about 2 million in 2000 to about 6.4 million in 2011. Thanks walmart!
Most SNAP recipients who can work do so. Among SNAP households with at least one working-age, non-disabled adult, more than half work while receiving SNAP — and more than 80 percent work in the year prior to or the year after receiving SNAP. The rates are even higher for families with children. (Almost 70 percent of SNAP recipients are not expected to work, primarily because they are children, elderly, or disabled.) Those children,elderly,and disabled, wouldn't count in full time workers anyway.
Plenty of folks are deserving of charity from time to time but I would prefer to interact with them myself. Because the government takes such a large percentage of my income I am not free to help very many others face to face with love and support. Helping folks makes you feel good but paying taxes never does.
Don't bother with that argument. Charity requires empathy and compassion, and statists have had it bred out of them*, instead believing in the force of coercive violence as the only path to good. Seemingly, all they know is that they have to obey, or else someone gets hurt.
*As well as the ability to understand this argument.
I'm hoping it will play in Peoria.
I am sure bringing in another 22 million illegals won't impact thses numbers. ...oh wait...
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What about the off the book thousands from drug dealing, prostitution and burglary
"A vote for this bill is a vote to end nutrition programs in America," said Rose DeLauro, a Connecticut Democrat.
what kind of nutrition
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/poor_some_ugar_on_me_0Hq1d3iPnvj2Rwps...
Strippers gotta eat too!
Speaking of nutrition, WIC gives out multiple checks for different types of "foods," with the bulk being for shit I wouldn't feed my dog, while only giving out $6 a month for fresh produce.
My comments were redundant and my observations already made numerous times in the comments before I came alone. Never mind.
OK there is some overlap on one side, but the on the other side, government workers should not count as a whole worker. If you know any gov workers they work about half of what real workers work at best. So lets cut the gov workers number by half, plus all the extra holidays.
What Recovery? San Diego Food Stamp usage doubled in Six Years—Tax $$ to be Spent to Make it Grow More
By Stephen Frank on 07/10/2013
It is beginning to make sense to me the correlation between a lower unemployment rate and a higher welfare and food stamp usage rate. It is simple.
The Obama Economy last month killed 240,000 full time jobs and created 360,000 part time jobs. In California Guv Brown, on top of the Obama Economy is creating the Brown economy—temporary jobs. In the Sacramento area 5% of the “jobs” are temporary and growing.
Of course, with all these part time and temporary jobs the use of government services, like Food Stamps, will go up. Obama and Brown have created an economy that is low pay and no benefits. There is no recovery, just creative press releases.
http://capoliticalnews.com/2013/07/10/what-recovery-san-diego-food-stamp-usage-doubled-in-six-years-tax-to-be-spent-to-make-it-grow-more/
USDA Flyer: We Don't Check Immigration Status for Food Stamps | Breitbart.com | Tony Lee
April 26, 2013 -- Judicial Watch obtained the Spanish-language flyers through a Freedom of Information Act request and announced on Thursday that the "promotion of the food stamp program, now known as 'SNAP' (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program), includes a Spanish-language flyer provided to the Mexican Embassy by the USDA.
A statement on the flyer—emphasized in bold and underlined—reads, “You need not divulge information regarding your immigration status in seeking this benefit for your children.”
Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton said of this discovery, the "USDA is actively working with the Mexican government to promote food stamps for illegal aliens." This implication, he asserted, "should have a direct impact on the fate of the immigration bill now being debated in Congress."
“These disclosures further confirm the fact that the Obama administration cannot be trusted to protect our borders or enforce our immigration laws," Fitton said. "And the coordination with a foreign government to attack the policies of an American state is contemptible.”
Sen. John Thune (R-SD) and Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-IN) are working on a bill that would cut such programs.
“Since President Obama came into office, SNAP participation has increased at 10 times the rate of job creation, the annual spending on SNAP has doubled, and one in seven Americans now participates in SNAP,” Thune said. “This explosive growth in both the SNAP enrollment and federal cost of the program is alarming and requires lawmakers to take cost-effective legislative control measures.”
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/04/26/USDA-to-Illegal-Immigrants-You-Can-Qualify-for-Food-Stamp
It appears that the number of government employees is undercounted, because it excludes the 3.4MM employed in education, and the 2.7MM employed in social services.
Don't forget about those "employed" by "non-profit" charities which exist largely as bottom feeders, don't pay taxes, and probably enjoy better write-offs than most corporations.
Better yet, don't forget to count the millions employed by the "private" Military and Security Industrial Complex that are totally dependent on "public" funds.
You beat me to pointing out this fact. Furthermore, how about adding all the privitazed growndskeepers, janitors, electricians, plumbers, roofers, and all manner of workers earning their living by working on military installation, hydroelectric plants, government office buildings, schools, universities and I mean local, state and federal and all the rest of it.
Good God there must be tens of millions of them who are "technically speaking" privately employed yet their livlihood is working for some form of government. Even Snowden and the tens or hundreds of thousands like him (well, maybe not exactly like him) who serve government non-military facilities, but are employed by private government contractors.
I wouldn't be sorprised if the jobs of three-quarters of the workers in the USA are linked to the government. In the USSR it was somewhere around 100% of the working population employed (or pretending to work) by the government.
At the rate we're going we'll be right about there in no time, maybe all it'll take is one more financial disaster.
My son does tech support for a local conglomeration of charities. When the dreaded sequester hit, they went looking for staff to cut, and he had to justify his position. Thing is, they waste sooooo much money (networked printers on every desk, etc.), it took him about five minutes to point out that he's already saved them multiples of his salary in this fiscal year alone. Not to mention, they hire him out to smaller orgs, so that he actually is one of the very few people in the place that bring in revenue.
Welcome to the New World Disorder.
i was talking to my neighbor a few days ago about how the real unemployment rate (shadowstats) was over 20% & how i was going to have to move in with my sister & that i had to go into "household contraction." ........ he burst out laughing at me.
Lynnybee, I watched as 12 of the brightest engineers in the field packed up their office gear this week and walked out jobless into Silicon Valley, one of the most costly places in the United States to live, as falling sales ripped their and their employer’s lives apart.
At the same time, Congress is promising limousine liberal Bill Gates more Third World foreign engineers with which to pack his vast commercial downtown Seattle complex staffed with mostly Third World people (Whites, I heard, need not apply).
And now Congress is debating whether to increase the quota of H-1B visas from 65,000 a year to, some accounts say (including TheWorld.com and Mother Jones), 300,000 a year while tech giants like Microsoft support the move, “saying the US has a shortage of skilled workers.” At a Congressional hearing in 2009, Bill Gates said, ‘My basic view is that the country should welcome as many of those people as we can get.’ He advocated issuing H-1Bs and eliminating any caps” on numbers.
The average electrical engineer in Silicon’s San Jose area earns $111,000, many with no benefits such as a retirement package or 401(k) match or health care, while many work long hours and even weekends without pay.
And according to the Economic Policy Institute (EPI), tech employment rates still haven't rebounded to pre-recession levels. From 2001 to 2011, the mean hourly wage for computer programmers didn't even increase enough to beat inflation, says Mother Jones.
Yet, in comparison, “the average annual salary for Registered Nurses in San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, California is about $117,590. An entry level person can expect an annual salary of $76,690 while a more senior level person can expect a salary of $150,240.” – not including union-bargained benefits.”
Destroy America’s engineers and you destroy the American progress. Nurses, doctors and care providers would have nothing to provide if not for the continued innovation in medical equipment and procedures and manufacture of products through chemical processes designed by engineers.
Norm Augustine, retired chairman and CEO of Lockheed Martin, explains it:
Danger: America Is Losing Its Edge In Innovation | Forbes | 1/20/2011
“In a global, knowledge-driven economy there is a direct correlation between engineering education and innovation. Our success or failure as a nation will be measured by how well we do with the innovation agenda, and by how well we can advance medical research, create game-changing devices and improve the world…”
In 1997, a study of the inventors honored in the National Inventors Hall of Fame in Akron, Ohio, revealed that 91% of the world’s greatest inventors worked in America and only 9% in other countries.
“In 2009, for the first time,” says Augustine, “over half of U.S. patents were awarded to non-U.S. companies.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ciocentral/2011/01/20/danger-america-is-losing-its-edge-in-innovation/print/
At the same time, these international corporations without borders continue eroding American worker opportunities.
Only a few years back universities such as MIT were counseling their students not to pursue engineering careers as they already knew the path to U.S. employment for them was closed, that U.S.-based corporations would bypass America's engineers for lower-pay Third World engineers.
And in reality, according to Mother Jones, most of today's H-1B workers don't stick around to become permanent residents.
"The H-1B worker learns the job and then rotates back to the home country and takes the work (and the expertise) with him," explains Ron Hira, an immigration expert who teaches at the Rochester Institute of Technology. None other than India's former commerce secretary once dubbed the H-1B the "outsourcing visa.”
America is committing suicide, lynnybee, and we all, as well as our nation, are going to suffer. Only a fool or a Congressman would laugh; but, then, most of our Congressmen are fools.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/02/silicon-valley-h1b-visas-hurt-tech-workers
Hi JR. Thanks for posting.
Remember that charity that came out a few years ago that wanted to supply $100 laptops to third world countries? At that point, I realised that first world computer programmers would be toast.
Well, heres how I see it. I'm a white American. Grew up Middle Class. Had a great job. Then, one day, the market fell and things got really bad. I could barely afford food and rent. I moved to another state. Still can't find a good paying job but now, things are different. I have renters support, and also an EBT card for food. I would LOVE to find a good paying full time job, buy a car etc but things out there still suck. I dont know what this administrations saying about jobs moving forward, cause they're full of crap. Its dead out there. Unless you want to flip burgers. Anyways, now, if I find a job, I have to ask myself, "after all of the taxes are taken out, and with the little money I have left, can I still afford rent and food?? If not, I wont take the job. You see, being unemployed is the lesser of two evils. I've gone without food, and its not a good thing.
Try educating yourself and making your own job.
If you can write .NET code my company will start you out at 40K a year. You can learn .NET for free over the net. Stop making excuses and do something to better yourself.
What is the name of your company? Where are you located? Who is the hiring contact?
http://www.askcts.com/
We have offices in Atlanta, Birmingham, Chattanooga, Charlotte, Nashville and Mobile. We are always looking for motivated .NET and SQL Server/BI people. Feel free to contact me through my website. I'll be happy to give your resume personal attention. I look forward to hearing from you.
Edit:
Funny how telling someone to take responsibility for themselves and pointing out a clear solution to their predicament gets you down arrowed. I guess personal responsibility and self reliance isn't for everyone.
From the CTS website " CTS delivers superior solutions for our customers, careers for our employees, and growth in our communities."
Why has your company not already delivered a" superior solution" to the unemployment situation ? Because there are not the potential .NET and SQL Server/BI openings for all unemployed persons ? If you are experts in delivering solutions one would expect a better understanding of the problems, situation, in the first place.
I think you'll find the unemployment situation in our area to be markedly better than in many other areas of the nation. We are one of the largest privately held software development companies in the nation. We provide solid careers for several hundred developers and support staff, and are growing despite the obstacles that the government places in our way.
Thanks for your semi literate contribution to the discussion.
PS. Thanks for actually taking the time to check us out!
Your retort and resort to a lame insult ( "semi literate" ) projects a less professional standard than expected from one who claims to be a professional and from a company of said same standard.
Would i be correct in assuming that your level of retort here is not a measure of the overall standard of the company which you wish to promote ? And that a patronising and demeaning response to those who do show an interest ( albeit a contructive critique and query ) is not the generally accepted approach, nor representative of the company itself ?
Fíréan,
I know it's fight club, but you're being a complete asshole to someone who did nothing other than offer constructive criticism AND a specific lead. And it seems that your rationale is because he and his firm can't hire everyone who needs a job?
Get real.
EDITED TO ADD: Hmmm, nice stealth edit you did. But I stand by my point.
Ok. and Thank You for your perspective and interpretation.
I was interested in the compnay and website hence took the time to look through it. Yet such skills are not attainable by everyone who is without employment, that's real. isn't it and a factor of the unemployment situation ?
And has been experienced in higher education, when persons do achieve a high level of education or ability there ar enot the oppportunity for all the newly educated. There's a saturation point in any industry or business. Please correct me if i'm wrong. I believe that there may be a degree of misunderstanding here in intent, within this discussion. I'm sure that the company does offer opportunities for some , yet is not the whole solution to one country's unemployment ; it's not for everybody.
ps. I am real. I edited to correct myself, least i fall foul to the semi iilliterate jibe again.. Thank You.
So... What's wrong with flipping burgers? I think many of us, possibly you included, have worked such a job (or 2 at a time) at some point in our lives.
edifice asks, "So... What's wrong with flipping burgers?" :
The pay.
If it doesn't pay enough to get you back to work tomorrow then it is not a real job. It is a boring choice of hobby.
Sorry, double post
Speaking of the degenerates running the country, ZHers might find this interesting. That incoherent "coke head" Marion Barry was on the news earlier trying to sell this shite. Wal-Mart 'Will Not Pursue' 3 Locations in Nation's Capitol After D.C. Council's Approves 'Living Wage' - ABC News
I'm freakin' tired of Wal-Mart asking for TIF, paying shit wages with no benefits and expecting taxpayers to subsidize their "low wage' model while raking in the dough for the Walton Family heirs.
F them. They can play on a level field like other retailers...
First of all, welfare is undoubtedly a subsidy to low-wage employers, and I am against all subsidies. However, that being said, it's hardly a "level playing field" to impose a wage floor on big box retailers that doesn't apply to the mom and pop retailers.
I would never start a business in any Marxist community that cannot understand the evil of wage controls, especially Marx Central where it all emanates from.
As long as the Fed exists, there is no such thing as a livable wage. ALL of them will find themselves sliding lower and lower as the purchasing power is stolen from their pay.
What happens to kids in the lunch program in the summertime? Do families get additional food stamps in the summer? Same for breakfasts.
In my city, there are lunch programs in place all over the place in schools, rec centers, etc. There aren't many breakfast programs during the summer.
Summertime and the livin' is easy.
I wonder why people with govt jobs were added to the "Americans with full-time jobs" group considering they are parasitic and live off our productivity. That should have reduced the figure.
The underground economy is much bigger than people want to admit; both the people on pathologically-pessimistic side and the pathologically-optimistic side.
There's no other explanation for perpetually rising consumer sales & automotive bling.
The food-stamps is just double dipping. The scammer in the military and other government employees have been double dipping for generations. The peasants have been noticing the cheaters winning, in all areas of society. Eventually, even the gullible dumbasses start cheating themselves.
A corrupt government & corrupt economic system leads to social corruption. Start measuring / factoring-in the corruption and the economic data will make more sense.
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial/2013/04/29/130429ta_talk_surowiecki
About this:
There's no other explanation for perpetually rising consumer sales & automotive bling.
Yes, there is another explaination, actually the correct explaination which is Credit Expansion. There is an auto-loan subprime bubble and credit card companies are lending again. In my local nehiborhood it seems that a lot of sub-prime is going on again, as houses that have been empty for years now have tennants again.
On my local C&W radio station, you will hear moar auto advertisements than music and news. Don't spend the summer in a car that's a bummer. Bad credit no credit no problem. Credit approval GUARANTEED. Guaranteed? Yep, that's what the obnoxious "dealer for the people" said. By the looks of the machines on the road lately, the message has not gone unheard.
Bennie Bux! YaY!
I'll be living a long, long, ways away when the SHTF. Eventually the takers are going to be cut off, or inflation will starve them into civil unrest. The .Gov can't kill 112.5 million people with out losing complete control of everything.
yep, they line up at midnight on the 10th of every month to get their "free" goodies from the dwindling full time employed.
It never ceases to amaze how many walks of life come through my line at a grocery store with their food stamps.
Can't wait for the trough runs dry.
Good luck with that. (you ARE the trough)
I've been helping with a food bank demographic survey this summer. Random sampling and such. The food banks aren't giving out meals, they're giving out groceries.
What I've seen is pretty fascinating. There's definitely a group of new poor. Like they've slipped into needing assistance for vaious reasons. I've heard a lot of people who would rather not being going to a food bank to get food. It's not like a "hey, free stuff, let me jump on it!" attitude. It's mostly a "i just need this to get by and I wouldn't do this if I had another option". A lot of it is a loss of household income, a lot times because a boyfriend or husband left.
The food bank is a gimmick in itself. The organizers have networks and who gets what can mean "who do you know" or what is your ethnicity. Discrimination takes on a whole new meaning when you are poor, white and educated. They have little sympathy for your plight. Almost as if you deserve it. The white poor Americans have no lobby group and are suffering from in subtle manner that causes delays and exemptions due to intentional roadblocks in some Calif neighborhoods where Latinos have managed to run these organizations and then show favoritism, fast tracking methods. It's a whispered truth. Who bets the beef and who gets the beans is what it comes down to. And "who do you know."
ummmmm..exactly why does america need 22 million government workers? that's one government worker (on enhanced food stamps) for every 12 man, woman and chld who is not in government(300m total pop - 22m in govt. = 278m not in government).
just who are these government people looking after? it sure as hell isnt tax payers, since there are only 94 million in work...my guess is that most of those on benefits are also working...and that less than half the 94 million working full time actually pay tax.
which means that there are say 50 million tax payers and 22 million government workers
welcome to communism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpBP9dALcWw
At least put the military into the other column.
This is really 'fuzzy' math, 1+2=4. What one should compare is the number of ADULT Americans and not infants and children receiving benefits if one wants to draw any economic conclusions and not parrot political points of the 1%.
The rising number of Food Stamps participants begin its uninterrupted climb in 2000 because of rising poverty levels associated with low paying jobs: the income levels to qualify for this program did not decline.
Regardless this comparison would not even meet accountant's test for being meaningful. Reported wages to IRS exceed $8 Trillion, Food Stamp program costs $80 Billion.
The article is a total propaganda piece to make you feel like the poor are stealing your tax dollars. No, it's the rich and their agents(useful idiots) who are stealing your future.
Another way to look at things is to compare how the percentage of taxes paid by the poorest 50% of likely voters has gone down over the years. It's approaching a point where almost (if not already) 50% of the voters pay almost (if not already) none of the income taxes. Once this group has a solid majority of the vote (and likely also in lack of true awareness), I fear they will be easy pickings for the most unscrupulous of the politicians to take over everything for themselves (of course without ever really helping the poor who have empowered these unscrupulous politicos and their cronies).
Yes, that's in realm of possible outcomes, but how is this working out in Greece or Spain? The one man one vote is not something that the plutocrats are concerned with.
I NEED my stamps. How else can I support the next three babies I am huh huh huh making? Get back to work!
What a piece of crap analysis.
The BLS number is JOBS, not working people. Someone who has 2 part time jobs would be double counted.
Does anyone think that the breakfast and lunch programs don't overlap???
Tyler ... you usually do much better than this. This is pure drivel.
i was digging through the contributors section over the past month. somehow i didn't notice a single article of yours for comparison?
All these Americans show up and don't vote Republican. It's not going to be a problem until it is.
Keep printing those Bennie Buxs! The moar they print, the poorer we get! Isn't it great? I sure am glad that we have thoughtful men like Bernanke, Obama, Dimon, and Blankfein to rule over us. This is what you wanted, isn't it America? No? THEN WAKE THE HELL UP.
Imagine if people weren't being FED!! During the great depression people used to come to my grandmothers back door asking to do work for food. Think it might be a little different these days!
In a way, you are forgetting the generous tax benefit allowed for transportation workers, of which there are likely several million. This is the meal allowance that amounts up to $47/day if certain requirements are met. I am able to take this deduction and no way do I ever come close to spending that kind of money on food in a day. Golly darn; if not for the socialist government, half the country would be dirt poor and starving.
Do you take the allowance?
The defeated earlier version of the farm bill would have ended benefits for 2 million people, or about 4 percent of recipients.
The defeated bill would have ended food stamp eligibility for all those who have been convicted of "violent crimes" whatever that means.
You just can't make this stuff up!
can someone email this to cnbs? joe.kernen@nbcuni.com
113 million freeloaders + 22 millions democrrat federal works= 135 million non producing communists, minus the few legitimate people whom I support.
That leaves 94 million of us that pay taxes to support the free meal people and I half worry about losing my income every single day.
The higher interest rates right now are killing the Bank employment right now, BOA has probably laid off 20% of it's contract workforce in the last 90 days, which equates to 120k jobs, Chase & Wells are also doing likewise. Obama is killing this country. China and Russia are pissed, they want the dollar killed as a currency, free money from thin air would make them superior to us, and we are one war away from getting our ass kicked.
"113 million freeloaders + 22 millions democrrat federal works= 135 million non producing communists, minus the few legitimate people whom I support."
And who determines whether or not the people you support are legitimate?
How many different ways do you want it. A post above demonstrates how the defense department has lost a good part of the federal deficit. A previous post describes how the "trickle down" policies of the fed go no further than the Banks whose employees you are concerned with. Numerous posts on this site point out the ever widening wealth gap with more going to a few a less going to the many.
Who can get jobs when the industrial/manufacturing complex has been shipped overseas where they fatten the coffers of Corporations who pay NO TAXES.
Even Hitler, totalitarian Soviet Union and Rome knew that to avoid revolurtion you had to at least feed the people. Perhaps you would rather have them eat cake. Moldy cake at that.
You mention "democrat" but fail to mention FEC vs Citizens United that paved the way for further corruption and the owning of justices Scalia and Thomas.
Not a fan of Obama consider that this began snowballing under Bush with Blame to be placed on Clinton and Reagan
OF course the banks are laying off. HFT and computers have reduced their need for humans as technology has and will continue to do to the rest of us. Who needs humans to study fundamentals when you have algos.
China and Russia are always pissed at us. Have you thought for a minute that they were ever our allies?
Much of the world is pissed at us as they have watched us call ourselves a nation that supports freedom and then exported slavery overseas at the cost of our own citizens. They hear us spout equal justice as we support dictators that oppress them.
Give me a break!
Pure tribal bullshit Xrated. You are part of the problem. The Oligarchs just love tools like you.
It appears the path is very clear. The more people on Government assistance the more voters for the Democrates.
Yet, with more and more "middle class" people joining the ranks of the people on assistance. Who will be left to pay?
We know that the 1% does not pay any taxes. They have tax havens and deductions and accountants that will make sure of that.
Then we have Corporations that have found legal loop holes to have all of there earning taxed overseas where they can pay no taxes to the US Government.
But, what happens when the entire Nation is made up of people on assistance and no one to pay Taxes to support them?
It is interesting to me that the Government not only wants to take care of so many so they will vote for them but now wants to bring in a few million more with illegal immigration. So, who does the Government thinkwill pay for all of this.
Can we count on Bernake? But, then who will pay for all of the debt and interest created to accomplish this goal?
Interesting question in my mind.
And totally sustainable...
They just woddle down to Feral Reserve and Print off a fresh batch of Money to pay for it.
Now if Every body in the US could just go into the Attic to print off all the Money they needed to Pay their bills, then everybody would be rich. Sure beats working for it.
@ billwilson
I agree with you, there is no doubt some overlap.
I understand the post as pointing out that there are less and less people contributing to the economy from a taxable standpoint. If this current economy is only sustainable via true growth, we have lost agreat deal of contributors. If this continues, I would expect someone would have to print the money to maintain the status quo.
My brain hurts when I look at these charts and numbers. I get a little depressed. Too many Roaches....not enough bread curmbs....
Let's not forget or remember one in twee gubby workerers iza cruise missile.
If the goverment cut all welfare and poverty programs and cut a 50k dollar check on January 1st to every family in poverty it would represent a 50% savings on what we currently spend on them. Of course come January 2nd the great majority of those families would be right back in the hole where they started.
What I am going to say may be unpopular with some but to me it appears that to some extent these programs are forms of corporate welfare in that failure of many corporations to pay a decent wage leads people to be dependent on government.
If the Walmarts of this world can continue to expand their empires by paying pitiful wages, outsourcing production or services, then the end point is the end of America.
Is it any wonder that half of America does not pay income taxes when full time jobs have been replaced by part time employment and unemployment has been hidden by putting an increasing number of people on disability.
Stop outsourcing services unless you are prepared to have a Chinese ocean liner in New York harbour with 1000 Chinese on board with a washing machine and ironing board each, doing your daily laundry as well.
Everybody should get a guaranteed minimum income. It could replace all social programs. There are not enough jobs.
According to Plutonomy, there are only two types of people: Plutocrats and Laborers.
The Plutocrats will continue to amass wealth into the future; several years ago I surmised that we'll soon have our first $100 Billion Man--that's not that far off! There are only three things that could go wrong with Plutonomy as they see it:
1. high taxes on the rich
2. anti-immigration
3. protectionism
There is no ire like that of Plutocrats anytime that any of the above subjects is even broached: they immediately go on offensive and bring out the goons-it is not possible to discuss raising of taxes on the rich, enforcing immigration laws or have Congress push through protectionist laws in the US.
So why are so many people so poor and so few so rich? If one wants to understand what's going on here, the 'thinking man's ire' should be directed at Plutonomy and not at the fictitious welfare-state for the masses-the welfare state does not exist. We're living in Plutonomy.
Except, right now, since those government employees are on furlough one day a week, that sort of skews the thing a little bit. Subtracting their one day per week unpaid furlough, I'd say that leaves 111.6MM employed full time. At least until October 1.
You got the gov workforce in the wrong column. They live off the private sector just like the public aid recipients.
Just sayin......
You got the gov workforce in the wrong column. They live off the private sector just like the public aid recipients.
Just sayin......
The problem for CONgress is that its owner international financiers do very much care about this issue, whereas CONgress grifts off all.
End the money. End the problem. Tough love. Venal career politicians should be ruined first...as an example to the rest. Live according to one's means. That is virtuous.
That's doubletalk worse than the double counting. For one easy example, I'll bet an ounce of gold that 90% or more of the kids eligable for school breakfast are also eligable for school lunch.
That's a quick 10% off your number.