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Snowden Wants To Stay In Russia After All

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Looks like the Russian guy who deleted his tweet earlier this week can undelete it:


That terminal food sure must be something. Either that, or he is seriously entertaining Anna Chapman's marriage offer.

It appears the reason for the asylum request is because he could not fly to Latin America.

More from ABC:

 American spy fugitive Edward Snowden emerged from his hideout in the Moscow airport today to speak with international human rights groups about his future plans, almost three weeks after he first disappeared inside the vast Russian facility.


Citing a Human Rights Watch official apparently in the meeting, The New York Times reported Snowden plans to seek temporary asylum in Russia, which has offered it. Russia's President Putin previously said Snowden was welcome to stay in his country, but only as long as he stops publishing information that hurts America.


Snowden also reportedly said he had received asylum offers from several South American nations, including Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua and Ecuador. Snowden said he accepts all offers and plans to eventually go to South America.


The meeting comes a day after The Guardian columnist Glenn Greenwald, who has worked with Snowden to report on the NSA's secret vast domestic and international surveillance programs, told ABC News that their work is not even half done.


"The majority of it remains to be done, and that includes stories that are at least as significant, if not more significant than the ones we've already done," Greenwald said.


Greenwald said that for the past six weeks he has carried around "for every second of everyday" a highly encrypted electronic copy of the secret documents leaked to him by Snowden – some 10,000 documents from the NSA. Greenwald said that he has other copies should anything happen to the one he carries around, and Snowden has previously said that other encrypted copies of the documents have been given to other journalists for safe keeping.


As for the concerns over whether Russian authorities could copy the documents Snowden is reportedly carrying with him – or if Chinese intelligence agents had done so already when he was in Hong Kong – Greenwald said such concerns underestimate Snowden's experience in the world of high-tech spycraft.


"This is a very sophisticated cyber operative," Greenwald said before referencing a report from The New York Times which said Snowden had been especially trained by the NSA to be an offensive cyber attacker. "This is somebody who completely knows what he's doing in terms of how to store material securely and what techniques are used by governments around the world, like the NSA, in order to gain access to places they don't have authority to access."


In the invitation to today's meeting, Snowden said the U.S. government had embarked on a "dangerous escalation" in his case.


"I have been extremely fortunate to enjoy and accept many offers of support and asylum from brave countries around the world," the email said. "These nations have my gratitude, and I hope to travel to each of them to extend my personal thanks to their people and leaders. By refusing to compromise their principles in the face of intimidation, they have earned the respect of the world.


"Unfortunately, in recent weeks we have witnessed an unlawful campaign by officials in the U.S. Government to deny my right to seek and enjoy this asylum under Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The scale of threatening behavior is without precedent: never before in history have states conspired to force to the ground a sovereign President's plane to effect a search for a political refugee.


"This dangerous escalation represents a threat not just to the dignity of Latin America or my own personal security, but to the basic right shared by every living person to live free from persecution," it concluded.


It is signed "Edward Joseph Snowden."


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Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:41 | 3744713 buzzsaw99
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nothing says evil empire like people seeking assylum in russia

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:47 | 3744741 Race Car Driver
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Wake me up when a whistle-blower starts yakkin' the truth about what they're spraying us with and what the 2B bullets and all the other new oppressive gear is for.


Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:53 | 3744758 CH1
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Definitely take Putin's deal.

Russia: Now the refuge FOR refuseniks!

(My, my, how things have changed.)

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:55 | 3744771 john39
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Putin knows that snowden is bullshit...  there is a game afoot, and Putin is no bitch.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:03 | 3744809 Pladizow
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Does this mean no more secrets to be released?

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:16 | 3744860 Zer0head
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Relax Mr. Snowden and take solace,


You have to look  no further than the triumphant return of Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn's and their surrender in 1980 after a decade on the run


just think of what awaits you back in the US in the year 2025 - tenured professorship, mentor to the President...

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:45 | 3745041 francis_sawyer
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Evidently ~ There doesn't exist a camera in all of Russia, so I can understand this...

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 21:26 | 3747185 Bringin It
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Francis - I think, if you're going to continue the cynic route, you're going to have to come up with a new angle of attack.

What's this??

Taken from this article

With this caption

?????? ???????. ????: ??????? ??????? ?? " Human Rights Watch" (Guardian)
8:13 ????? ??????? - 12 ???? 2013

Translated via google/translate as,

Edvard Snouden . Foto : Tat'yana Lokshina iz " KH'yuman Rayts Votch " (Guardian )
8:13 posle poludnya - 12 iyulya 2013 

Dated 12 July 2013.

BGIB keeps referencing veteranstoday - gordon duff to support his critique.  This same guy, Gordon, not BGIB is claiming that Obummer has stopped taking or never was taking direction from Israel.  What a useless fantasy. 

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:31 | 3744960 Winston Smith 2009
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"Does this mean no more secrets to be released?"

Probably not beyond anything he hasn't already given to Greenwald.  However, to the Ruskies, who knows? Anyway, they probably already knew the majoirty of it even before he released it. When you've got millions of people with TS clearances, things are going to leak like a sieve to any competent intel agency which I expect the Russians still have:

"As of last October, nearly five million people held government security clearances. Of that, 1.4 million held top-secret clearances. More than a third of those with top-secret clearances are contractors, which would appear to include Mr. Snowden."



Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:49 | 3745058 Element
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He should have tried North Korea, though the 56k dial-up bandwidth may have put him off.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:23 | 3745259 Race Car Driver
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There haven't been any 'secrets' released by anyone named Snowden. Else, please tell me what he said specifically that was a 'secret'.

Everyone who even understands what  'IT' means and was paying attention with one eye closesd knew all this shit years ago.

All Snowjob did was to officially announce and confirm some matters ... limited hangout style.

But hey, here's a straw ... suck it up.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 14:14 | 3745985 williambanzai7
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Actually he offered up concrete evidence confirming what was regularly disparaged as fanciful low brow conspiracy theories. For that we should all tip our hats in his direction.

You will notice that no one is denying the authenticity of those slides and documents which obviously call out the liars.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 14:29 | 3746050 Gordon_Gekko
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Please don't take this personally, but there were people who DERIDED those who warned about police state style surveillance as "conspiracy theorists" and now when it is all revealed and the glorious US govt. is exposed as a corrupt and naked emperor, the same people are calling those "conspiracy-theorists" morons for not knowing that such surveillance already existed. 

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:13 | 3744833 SWRichmond
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...there is a game afoot...

Perhaps.  If the revelations about Microsoft's complicity in this are true, and if I understand the allegations correctly, then there exists a permanent backdoor into virtually all computer systems, placed there by the NSA with Microsoft's assistance and full cooperation.  And if that is the case, then this is probably the end of computing as we know it, because, if true, then ALL Internet-facing or Internet/network-connected computing devices are at risk.

Why?  Because now "security researchers" have some idea (not exactly, perhaps, but a better idea than ever before) where in the code to look for the NSA's backdoor.  And it is my understanding that the time-to-market cycle for software compromises is measured in hours, once "researchers" know where to look.  It seems to be a relatively simple matter of examining code to see what has changed.  And in the age of virtualization, it is now trivial to keep any number of OS installations with varying levels of software and updates on file for comparison purposes.

So the game, if there is one, is to finally, once and for all, deal with the Internet, which TPTB have come to see as an existential them.  And then blame it on someone else.

I have read elsewhere allegations that there is also some embedded functionality in CPU chips which now renders encryption meaningless.  If true, then all of the above is true.  Read "The Quest for Ring Zero".  And notice how the ring 0 functions never tell the OS what they are doing, so there is no way for a user to tell what "else" his computer is doing at any given time.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:21 | 3744882 gmrpeabody
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Looks like no holds barred, throw the rules out, every man for himself.

Soon, the government won't be able to protect itself from itself.

(and maybe that's good)

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:22 | 3744896 sumo
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I suspect that there is backdoor in Linux as well, especially SE Linux and others with NSA code.

The code is probably fine, but my guess is that the hack is in the initial values for key generation. The keys generated by the default code  - I stress this is pure speculation on my part - may be weak enough for NSA to break, but not obviously so, so people inspecting the code don't see it.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:25 | 3744929 Trampy
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you guess?  based on what? 

is it Tyler Durden's reckless disregard for the truth in pretending not to understand what open-source means?

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:31 | 3744967 sumo
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Good point. I have in mind some references I read about poor choices of initial key settings leading to a compromised system. I'll dig for them.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:25 | 3745263 Suisse
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It is open source, SELinux is part of newer linux kernels and you can view the entire kernel source.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 16:26 | 3746492 The Carbonator
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Very interesting article indeed!


I knew about Real and Protected mode in the x86 architecture, but not the SMM mode.  It actually makes allot of sense after reading it as the Chipset would handle all these low level operations (interupts etc) without the need for the OS to be aware.  Context switching to SMM and the back again when makes sense.  The OS Can be notified only when required eg. CPU Overheating, blue screen, core dump etc.


The concern is that this mode can be comprimised and allow an attacker to hijack ring 0 and essential OWN the machine.  Since Protected mode is context switched out while going back and forth to SMM the OS will never know its even happening.  The context switch saves the State of the CPU and all its registers.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:55 | 3744775 The Phu
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I'd marry Anna Chapman Kuschyenko... she's hot!

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:23 | 3744911 gmrpeabody
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Put that limb back in your pants...

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:07 | 3744825 CCanuck
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Hey Driver do you really need to be told what the gear and spray are for?

The spray is for healthy crops, and cloud seeding to make rain, and everyone knows the bullits are for target training...sheeesh you race car drivers are like Jocks...need things spelled out for ya.


Fri, 07/12/2013 - 12:12 | 3745503 AGuy
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Well, Russia has change and so as the USSA. I recall reading stories about a global polar shift that would destroy the planet. Perhaps the story was partially correct, if you consider Political\idealiogy polar shifts.


I suspect Snowden realizes his chances of leaving Russia without getting taken into US custody is nil. His best option is to get asylum in Russian and then relocate to another nation after this settles down to point he can leave without gettting captured. He can always just sit on the information until he relocates. or figure out a way to get the information out of Russia.



Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:42 | 3744718 tuttisaluti
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a wise decision

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:55 | 3744768 freewolf7
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Be in peace, EJS.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:03 | 3744805 duo
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He wouldn't have been safe in VZ.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:32 | 3744754 CPL
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Another is laggy as shit.  

Gotta pick the channel on the right hand side though.  It won't work in some countries btw, so proxy it.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:43 | 3744722 BadDog
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flying is risky

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:44 | 3744725 FranSix
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Anna Chapman, who'da thunk it?

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:45 | 3744729 Atomizer
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Nightshift press release. Let’s see how many moths we can lure to the light…


  1. NSA Spying Never Catches Israelis?
  2. Limp Bizkit - My Way


Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:46 | 3744734 Ribeye
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Told ye,

It's wall to wall Anna Chapmans in Putinsville,

Snowball ain't goin nowhere.....

for now......

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:18 | 3744869 BeetleBailey
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Agreed. 10 to 1 women to men over there...and nearly half the men are drunks....

LOTS...of Anna Kornikovas and hot babes ...chalked full......been there.....

PussyGalore indeed!

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:52 | 3745077 francis_sawyer
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Pussy Galore was British


You're thinking more like 'Agent Triple X', or 'Xenia Onatopp'...

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:46 | 3744736 casaananda
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I am glad Snowden decided to try to stay in Russia. He will be safer there than in Latin America. Maybe his GF will even join him there. But I am sure he will have lots of company if he wants it.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:49 | 3744750 Race Car Driver
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Sure, he can have company - and a pet unicorn that shits Skittles, even.

'cause this is all for real, yo.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:48 | 3745051 sumo
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Personally I'd be damn nervous in Russia. Putin will be tempted to use Snowden as a pawn. Pawns often get sacrificed for strategic advantage. I don't know if there's anywhere that's safe. Antarctica?

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:17 | 3745220 BigJim
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If I were Snowden I'd be damn nervous anywhere.

Maybe at some point a person in his situation resigns himself and just gets on with the little things... like keeping Anna happy.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:46 | 3744738 timbo_em
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According to Wikileaks he only wants temporary asylum in Russia and wants to go to Latin America.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:47 | 3744743 i-dog
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Or, it's a convenient ploy to not release any meat to go with the already-released appetizers. Colour me sceptical...still.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:00 | 3744791 ghengis86
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And no pics or vid? Youtube or it didn't happen

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:09 | 3745163 Element
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Either way, several things are a bit at odds:


"He must stop his work aimed at harming our American partners" - Vladimir Putin


"I can't allow the US Government to destroy privacy and basic liberties" - Edward Snowden


There may be some sort of prevert contamination to vital fluids and bodily essence.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:48 | 3744746 Save_America1st
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That's right...he finally figured it out.  He's safer there most likely, and for sure those Russian bitchez can be smokin' he can sample all those mail-order Russian brides in person! lol

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:51 | 3744756 Race Car Driver
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Yes - and no conversation about Snowjob can be complete without mention of hot bitchez and pole dancers.

Yeah - I junked ya for that.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:52 | 3745076 Save_America1st
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who in the heck junks a comment about hot Russian bitchez??? 

That's lame...junked ya back just for good measure ;-) 

And it looks like I'm not the only one. lol

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:21 | 3744892 Taffy Lewis
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Let's not overthink this.

You're on the right track, Save_America1st, but I'll take it one step further: while in Hong Kong, he got a "taste" of Asian babes and Russia is much closer to Asia than Venezuela or Nicaragua.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:04 | 3745087 DanDaley
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I love that: "...Russia is much closer to Asia...".  Best line of the day.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:54 | 3745096 Save_America1st
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I'm with ya on that one...I just hope the guy doesn't get suicided by KGB once they've used up any usefulness he may have for them. 

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:50 | 3744752 SheepDog-One
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Help HIM!

Help who?

The bombardier!

The bombardier is fine, he's right here.

Then help HIM! Snowden!

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:14 | 3744859 Bearwagon
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How nice to remind us of "Catch 22".  :)

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:53 | 3744760 All Out Of Bubblegum
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This is like watching the stupidest reality show ever made.

Michael Hastings was iced for asking too many questions that were annoying to some people. Barely a word about Hastings murder has reached the tender ears of the average sheep.

But everyone knows who Snowden is. Greenwald would be dead if he were an actual threat. Snowden, if he exists, is someone's patsy in the Great Game.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:56 | 3744779 fuu
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I still have not seen a good explanation for how a car hits a tree and the engine and part of the transmission wind up half a block down the road.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 13:46 | 3745922 1000924014093
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Whoever wrote that article should get back on his meds, or perhaps see his doctor for something more effective.

I really hope ZH doesn't become another nutjob site like infowars or veteranstoday.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 13:46 | 3745924 1000924014093
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Whoever wrote that article should get back on his meds, or perhaps see his doctor for something more effective.

I really hope ZH doesn't become another nutjob site like infowars or veteranstoday.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:03 | 3744810 NoDebt
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They don't even care if you know it's a lie.  End of the day they just say "whatcha gonna do about it, smart guy?" and that's that.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:05 | 3744817 All Out Of Bubblegum
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Fait accompli is the Royal Way.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:32 | 3744975 sumo
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Like Wall St does. And the Fed. And the MSM. And the TSA.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:25 | 3744840 freewolf7
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The new normal physics.

Like sheep, after one in the heard is caught, settle back down.

Not until tragedy personally strikes enough people at once,
will they awaken from the trance.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:59 | 3745117 sumo
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Yeah, it's Social Proof, one of Cialdini's principles:

Sheep look at other sheep for guidance, because they don't know how to react. The other sheep don't know how to react, and look at the first sheep. Each sheep does nothing, because other sheep do nothing. "Logically", doing nothing must be the correct response, because all the sheep are doing it. All those sheep can't be wrong, right?

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:22 | 3744902 Ribeye
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A "car", perhaps,

a Fiat maybe,

a Korean piece of crap, possibly,

GM? You lot tell me:)

But not, in any circumstances, a factory fresh Benz, no chance,

Unless a very dangerous Squirrel had been storing C4 and Termite in the tree,

It's possible I suppose,

Flippin Squirrels

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 13:18 | 3745829 jmc8888
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You mean the engine was half a block back the direction he came from.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 18:54 | 3746848 BigInJapan
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Watch videos of stock car crashes from.the 50s 60s and 70s and you'll see just how much can get scattered around. Modern NASCAR cars are built to shed energy in a controlled disintergration - as redundant as it seems - but passenger cars aren't.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 21:41 | 3747233 Bringin It
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So the Benz was so fearful of hitting the tree, it droppped a load [the engine and drive train] in the road, 50m before the impact???

Mercedes must be freaking out about the damage these spec/ops have done to the brand.


Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:00 | 3744788 sumo
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President Hope and Change has updated kill list, don't you worry. The three-letter agencies have long memories, now with new improved Stellar Wind storage.

Greenwald is in danger, bank on it. Happy now?

Fascism is coming to America, big time. It's amazing the number of people who are going to fit right in, no persuasion needed.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:01 | 3744800 All Out Of Bubblegum
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Fascism is already here and has been for years.

The Greenwald/Snowden op is still bullshit.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:03 | 3744808 sumo
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and you know this how?

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:04 | 3744816 All Out Of Bubblegum
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Because Snowden and Greenwald are still breathing.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:11 | 3744837 sumo
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Ah, I see. It's like waterboarding witches. Sound logic.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:14 | 3744858 All Out Of Bubblegum
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When an unthinking flock starts yelling "HERO!", my spidey sense starts tingling.

I note that many of my peers that think Snowden is a hero also voted for Obama and fell for the 9/11 fairy tale.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:40 | 3745016 sumo
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So who (alive today) qualifies as heroic to you? Straight question no sarc.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:50 | 3745065 All Out Of Bubblegum
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Straight answer, no sarc.

Anyone that can keep their sense of humanity and remain kind to their fellow humans as our "Rulers" morph into Satan's minions is a hero in my book.

Snowden, if he exists, is no hero. He'd be a hero if he released the names of the fuckers that are running this world into the ground. That would have been the kind thing to do.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:53 | 3745090 sumo
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So, who measures up to your standard? Who specifically?


Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:56 | 3745106 All Out Of Bubblegum
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No one in the public sphere. 

Part of the problem here is that people keep looking for heroes instead of being one.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:04 | 3745141 sumo
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No-one? No-one alive today, and in the public sphere, meets your standard?

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:06 | 3745162 All Out Of Bubblegum
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Not a one. My standards are high.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:48 | 3745383 Totentänzerlied
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Fri, 07/12/2013 - 12:05 | 3745462 are we there yet
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Ron Paul is a hero

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 12:26 | 3745584 All Out Of Bubblegum
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Anything that can survive and thrive in DC is no hero.

Dr. Paul left politics richer than he entered it.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 13:15 | 3745814 putaipan
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dr.paul blackmailed by the very prism snowden reveals-

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 21:34 | 3747210 Lost Word
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Fake twitter account ?

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:16 | 3744806 Ribeye
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Mercedes aren't gonna let it go,

Germans take stuff like that to heart,

Engine block ejected, passenger compartment incinerated???

I bet they will produce a video to illustrate that even with a brimmed tank and an impact velocity of 155mph neither is even possible,

You could loosen all the engine mounts and douse the seats in petrol and slam a Merc into a tree and it still wouldn't happen,

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 21:36 | 3747220 Lost Word
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Mercedes is deep in the NWO.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:22 | 3744906 Trampy
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What about Adam Kokesh being attacked in his home with a SWAT team entering with a battering ram and a flash-bang grenade because he posted a video on youtube?

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:29 | 3744951 All Out Of Bubblegum
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It seems any defiance is met with a swift smackdown, unless you're Edward Snowden.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 21:46 | 3747242 Bringin It
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AOOB - You're so smart.  You're so analytical.  Let me help you out with something - Snowden left the country.  Hastings made all these phone calls that he was on to something from w/i the country.

You see how that works?  Can you spot the difference?

Work on it.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:29 | 3744948 Azannoth
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Sounds true, if he really was to throw his whole life out the window, why do it over such low key revelations, that everybody already knew or suspected anyway, where is the "Bomb Shell"?! And add to that the totally overblown reaction from the US, like all they want is a bigger circus over the matter instead of hushing it up like they usually do .. many things don't add up here that's for sure.

Don't want to write him off completely just yet, but he could just be a pawn if not an out right double-agent.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:53 | 3744763 sumo
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Yes We Can:


Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:54 | 3744766 Yen Cross
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     His little "Hussy in Hawaii", must be fuming...

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:07 | 3744822 Bobbyrib
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She can go dance up a pole for all I care.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:55 | 3744774 firstdivision
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I bet Putin gave Snowden an offer he couldn't refuse.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:11 | 3744841 Bobbyrib
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I imagine it went something like this:

[Snowden has gun pointed at him]

Russian official: You like Russia, yes?

Snowden: Yes, of course.

Russian official: You apply for asylum here in Russia, yes?

Snowden: I thought you guys would never ask.

Russian official: You stop releasing information on USA NSA, yes?

Snowden: Yes, of course.


Sucks he had to go through Russia to try to get to South America.. I bet Hong Kong offered him to the Russians and the Russians accepted their offer.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 09:56 | 3744777 Ribeye
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"I'm making a break for it, I yearn to be free"

Where ye headin?

"Putins Russia"

- the world is totally fckd, lol:) -

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:00 | 3744792 Temporalist
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Another Taibi piece about JPM

Chase Made Errors in Nine Percent of Credit-Card Collection Lawsuits, Internal Survey Finds


By Matt Taibbi


A piece in the Wall Street Journal dug up yet another damning fact about Jamie Dimon's J.P. Morgan Chase. This time, reporters got hold of an internal bank survey of its credit-card collections suits. It turns out that Chase's own survey found that huge numbers of lawsuits filed by the bank contained errors.

From the article:

The bank studied roughly 1,000 lawsuits and found mistakes in 9% of the cases, said people familiar with the review.

"Any rate above zero is high," said one person familiar with the bank's conversations with regulators.

Thirteen states, as well as the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, a primary banking regulator, are investigating Chase's insanely sloppy practices in the area of credit-card collections."

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:00 | 3744794 Payne
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once he landed in Russia it was a foregone conclussion.  Wikileaks is a bunch of amateurs, Snowden is an dreamer.  He is Putins bitch to be used.



Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:01 | 3744799 donpaulo
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Anna Vasil’yevna Kushchyenko is a fox

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:02 | 3744803 ciscokid
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How the world changes, now its Russia taking in people who are afraid of presecution in the west........

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:46 | 3745366 sethstorm
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Only if they're rich or enemies of the US.

If anything, the US should be taking it out on the Russians residing in the US.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 21:51 | 3747257 Bringin It
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... the US should be taking it out on the Russians residing in the US.

They already did.  See Anna Chapman.

Pop quiz - What were Anna and friends accused of doing in the USSA?

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:15 | 3744824 rwe2late
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Commercial carriers are not willing because they are afraid of US retaliation to their business (as well as being forced down in flight).

Now that air piracy is "on the table", the 'air space' route to get there even by private means is tricky.
Needed is a Gulfstream jet & donor  Moscow-Caracas = ~ $200,000
Obama's remark that he would not "scramble jets" to intercept Snowden cannot be taken at word.

Putin's offer of asylum, if it is still open, may have to be taken.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:16 | 3744863 sumo
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Cue UN backpedalling on the right to asylum, in three, two, one, ...

UN Secretary General is playing ball. What a guy.


Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:17 | 3744867 Bobbyrib
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How dare you question Obama's word. He has been nothing, but truthful with the country! Nothing, but truthful! /sarcasm.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:17 | 3745222 sethstorm
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Even those are at risk - whomever provides transportation is going to be on the wrong end of a hyperpower's wrath.


Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:08 | 3744827 pazmaker
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He is asking for temporary asylum in Russia so he can travel freely to Latin America, his ultimate destination. 

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:12 | 3744847 Atomizer
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Snowden can always travel by submarine.


Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:13 | 3744856 disabledvet
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we're still the biggest media circus here in the USA. Not a big fan of people who don't want their day in court. I understand I guess if he doesn't want to be a tipping point himself...but at what level is he acting on his conscience here? I've seen nothing to date here we he is willing to put himself on the line for what he has done. let's face it the guy's a spy not a soldier. he's still playing by spy rules in my book.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:25 | 3744925 rwe2late
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 Your faith in the "justice system" is misplaced.

Apparently you are unaware of the recent laws allowing indefinite detention, "harsh interrogations" and arbitrary solitary confinement, long delay or denial of trial,

"secret " evidence for the prosecution, Gitmo, Bradley Manning, etc.

Voluntary submission to the world's biggest prison system with at best a kangaroo court trial,

is a mark of masochism, not heroism.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:58 | 3745111 Josey Montana
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Disabled vet,


I know where you're coming from.  But listen up:  your thinking is a generation or two out of date.  The U.S. Government is dishonorable and undeserving of such blind loyalty.

I get why you don't want to give up the illusion.  I really do.  But you must.  The U.S. is an empire no less ruthless and selfserving than any other empire in history.  To the mind of its present Ruling Class, you are a tool just as we are tools to be used when useful, discarded when not.

NEVER FORGET:  Before there was a U.S. there was an A.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:19 | 3745208 sumo
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Chris Hedges makes a great point about American fascism wrapping itself in the paraphenalia of patriotism: flags, anthems, speeches, parades.

The flag-wavers he has in mind don't honor the Constitution and the rule of Law. They serve Power, the Machine. Loyalty to Power, no matter how corrupt, is their highest "virtue" and core value. (I'm not directing this at you disabledvet. I'm thinking of the WH and DC).

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:59 | 3745434 Totentänzerlied
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Hedges is a socialist buffoon, and nearly every modern totalitarian state with the exception of Khmer Rouge Cambodia has brilliantly employed ceremony, symbolism, and pageantry - May Day parades in Moscow and NSDAP rallies at Nuremberg anyone? Nothing new here, just need to read some history.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 15:39 | 3746292 Josey Montana
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Sure - and why not exploit the fading memories of better men who built the meaning into those symbols with, as Churchill called it, "blood, sweat, toil, and tears"?

Lots of Goodwill sitting unused on the asset side of the balance sheet.  Might as well leverage it to the hilt.

And that's where we are right now.  I've got a long time friend I just learned was, ahem, knowledgable of such things.  He cannot -- absolutlely cannot -- bring himself to admit that a government that spies on every work uttered by its so-called free citizens is anything more than, well, misguided with an abundance of zeal to "protect us" from a bunch of raghead "terrorists".  This guy has no problem at all raising teh specter of Big Brother when you're talking about "them" but is constitutionally unable to do talking about "us".

God help us.  Pogo was right.  Ugh.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:45 | 3745359 sethstorm
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You're right - as he's not exposed anything critical of the current administration.

He just wants revenge.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:14 | 3744857 TahoeBilly2012
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You can ski in Russia. That would be my reason. Moscow is quite the hipster scene.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:18 | 3744874 Divine Wind
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I'll be home for Christmas
Or maybe still overseas
Guantanamo with its watchtower glow
Along scenic Windmill Beach

Christmas eve will find me
In a cage, my nuts in clamps
I'll be home for Christmas
If only in my dreams

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:20 | 3744876 headless blogger
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What a farce. To take your mind off of Boston and the more broader picture it encompasses (like the U.S. funded "Jihadists" in the Caucasus).

Now Janet Napolitano is resigning, not long after the FBI director does. People need to start putting more pressure on the government to investigate the FBI, HLS, etc.

Already Mainstream is beginning their push to make the case for Why the NSA is right to be spying....Just heard one of those on NPR.... I was saying that all along, and soon the "ACLU" (Greenwald's gatekeeping law farce) will be suing the NSA and the Supreme court will give it the rubber stamp of approval... You're being played folks.

Most people got consumed with the NSA spying scandal (which has already been known), and the Zimmerman circus....Meanwhile, an innocent kid is languishing in prison due to the racist population's condemnation without looking at the facts.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:41 | 3745022 YHC-FTSE
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Yes, they are important issues that should be in the public domain, but I don't know what you are griping about. Aren't they all part and parcel of the same story? That DC is run by groups of sociopathic criminal gangs out of control drunk with power and contempt for the Constitution. 

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:24 | 3744918 Winston Smith 2009
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"because, if true, then ALL Internet-facing or Internet/network-connected computing devices are at risk"

Even if it isn't, the idiotic trend to "cloud computing" will fix that.  I wonder if the recent NSA revelations will slow down that fundamentally idiotic transition because even tech ignorant corporate types will realize that there is no trade secret or internal comm that will be safe when it's transmitted and stored via the Internet, even if it's encrypted.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:28 | 3744945 sumo
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"no trade secret or internal comm that will be safe when it's transmitted and stored via the Internet, even if it's encrypted."

This is the narrative that NSA is pushing. They don't want you to use encryption. Why would that be?

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 13:11 | 3745799 One of these is...
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Because if all traffic was encrypted they would be back to HAVING to target people for special attention because there isn't a computer alive that can decrypt the entire worlds PGP encoded traffic on the fly?  

If there's a prize for the correct answer please let it be an Ounce of fine silver, not an early death....


Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:25 | 3744927 Azannoth
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If he took a commercial plane he'd be intercepted either over a US "friendly country" or even over international watters, or "taken out" by an on board operative, there's no way he's going anywhere in either case.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 12:03 | 3745451 sethstorm
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Same thing can happen with a military plane - and it'd be classified as an accident a la the Chinese Embassy in the former country of Yugoslavia.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:30 | 3744956 tony wilson
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and that includes stories that are at least as significant, if not more significant than the ones we've already done," Greenwald said.


 if not more significant

what stories?

any blanks filled in.


anything on yo blair,bush,rothschild or soros.

anything about bill gates cancer vaccines.




is that you john wayne.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:34 | 3744989 YHC-FTSE
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Note to Greenwald. Don't drive a Merc. Do your own servicing.

Makes sense that he would stay in Russia for now. Seeing him sign his correspondence with his middle name reminds of an old conspiracy theory that all the dead patsies are famous for having them. A bit ominous.  

Good luck to him. 

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 01:31 | 3747636 IndyPat
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Sergeant Shaw?
Raymond Shaw?
Raymond Prentice Shaw?

Why don't you pass the time by playing a nice game of solitare?

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:47 | 3745049 ThisIsBob
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He should have no trouble getting a nice job in the tech sector there.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:48 | 3745054 DaveA
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Putin offers Snowden asylum if he'll stop leaking NSA secrets.  Downvote if you think Putin wants to protect America from harm.  Upvote if you think Putin wants exclusive access to Snowden's secrets.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:54 | 3745095 ThisIsBob
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If Russia really wanted to be rid of him and wash their hands of the entire affair, they could send him to Caracas on a military plane.  Small change.  Could raise it on Paypal.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 10:59 | 3745116 WallowaMountainMan
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even the best encryption guy is no bettor than his resistance to torture.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:12 | 3745153 The Thunder Child
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Fucking Trippy, I shit you not I had a dream this morning I was in Moscow airport. We boarded a plane to Cuba which was to leave at 11:30am local time and Snowden was on board, but 15 minutes after takeoff we thought something was wrong and that we were on the wrong plane. So we asked the flight attendant and he said no we were on the plane to Begonia and it was only a 45 minute local flight (still in Russia).

I woke up fired up Zerohedge then read this.....mind fuck. Looked up Begonia and it isn't a destination it is a genus of plant:

"Begonias are very popular in Russia and neighboring countries in the East and North", says Vladimir Mostizki - Benary Product Support Specialist. "Our Begonias can be found all over Russia, in Kazakhstan, and even in Northern Siberia due to high light levels. My fellow countrymen love the lush colors and the outstanding performance of Benary Begonias!"

I think I need to get off the computer for a few days....anyone else have any clue what Begonia could mean?

Edit: Found this on the internet....Begonias symbolize fear and sometimes they are used as "Beware" sign

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 13:23 | 3745844 putaipan
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once inna while you get shown the light .....

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 21:58 | 3747281 Bringin It
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Maybe you were channelling The Dead?

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:12 | 3745196 sethstorm
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Which now confirms that Snowden is a traitor, and deserving of whatever can be done.

Now if the US Government would just put a bounty on his head already ala OBL, this could be over with quickly - especially when Russia is a nation more corrupt than the US could be portrayed to be corrupt.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:51 | 3745399 All Out Of Bubblegum
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> Which now confirms that Snowden is a traitor

Assuming that Snowden exists, how can someone that is outing a government that's betrayed its own citizens be a traitor?


Fri, 07/12/2013 - 12:01 | 3745449 sethstorm
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He harmed efforts to defend US citizens by divulging secrets that he was asked to keep.  The government has not betrayed any of its citizens.

That, and he's not even said anything against the current administraton - just against his former employers.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 12:05 | 3745466 All Out Of Bubblegum
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> The government has not betrayed any of its citizens.

The government claims the power to kill us without trial.

You need to wake the fuck up, chief.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 12:25 | 3745579 sethstorm
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Well, if those citizens act as terrorists(not Constitutionalists, not Oathkeepers, not Ron/Rand Paul followers, not conservatives, not Tea Partiers, but as actual terrorists), they've betrayed the country - the government is obligated to act to neutralize that threat.  The only thing Snowden wants to do is to harm the US's competitive advantages.

That, and unlike Russia, we can openly criticize the leadership much further w/o being disappeared - the Tea Party's existence being an example.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 12:35 | 3745616 All Out Of Bubblegum
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> if those citizens act as terrorists

Was Michael Hastings a terrorist?

Maybe you should stop sniffing government farts.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 12:55 | 3745703 sethstorm
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He didn't gain access to DoD secrets and then betray the trust in keeping them - Snowden did.

(Yes, I'm suspicious of Hasting's death).

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 13:00 | 3745734 All Out Of Bubblegum
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The actual traitors are still in DC.

Doesn't it strike you as odd that Hastings is dead but Snowden isn't?

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 22:08 | 3747298 Bringin It
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Hey A-OOB. Still very weak.

I explained it all above to you.

Let's break it down again.  Maybe you'll get somewhere this time.

After blabbing on the phone, Hastings stayed in Amerika.  Snowden went to HK, before leaking.  Can you understand that it's harder to kill someone you can't find or access. 

The Russians and Chinese are not incompetent. 

The CIA is not omnipotent despite any wet dream fantasies along those lines you may harbor. 

Pre-crime is not yet functional.

OK now?

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 22:00 | 3747287 Bringin It
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Hey Seth - You're a fuckin terrorist.  I hope you get your ass droned.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 14:50 | 3746125 Two Feet Studs Up
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The only traitors are the ones who don't uphold their oath to protect the US Constitution.

The US govt has fucked over and intervened in so many other affairs, I now understand why they have to lie and sneak about.

By the way, the biggest scam going is that OBL raid. The man also known as Tim Osman died in December 2001.

Sorry bud, your govt could give a damn about you. Snowden cares more about your well being then they do.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:20 | 3745229 Monedas
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What a slap down for all those South American dictator slut pig pinatas .... Evo Morales, Daniel Ortega .... Ecuador and Venezuela, too ?

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 12:10 | 3745492 sethstorm
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No, those South American countries know they'll lose against the US.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:23 | 3745258 smacker
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Coupla points on Snowden:

1. RT have shown several stills of Snowden taken today in the Moscow airport at the meeting he called. This should put to bed all those uncertainties about him being there. His hair looks about three weeks longer than the Guardian video interview.

2. Listening to the Russian Duma Deputy on RT (who met him at the airport meeting),  he mentioned that if Snowden is given asylum in Russia, he will be given a passport and is free to travel to any other country which has non-visa arrangements with Russia. This may be how he can continue to release NSA information without breaking the terms of his Russian asylum set by Putin.

Fri, 07/12/2013 - 11:41 | 3745341 All Out Of Bubblegum
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> RT have shown several stills of Snowden taken today in the Moscow airport at the meeting he called.

Do you have any video?

Call me Doubting Thomas.

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