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Greenwald: "The US Government Should Be On Its Knees Every Day Praying That Nothing Happens To Snowden"

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Edward Snowden may be America's persona most non grata in the entire world, but he has an insurance policy against "accidents": a treasure trove of supposedly damaging secrets about the US that will hit the public domain if something were to happen to the 30 year old whistleblower. A trove is so damaging that according to Glenn Greenwald, Snowden "poses more of a threat to the U.S. than anyone in the country’s history." Well, maybe a threat to the "government" which now only represents the interests of various corporations and Wall Street, but certainly not to what the US was supposed to be before it was hijacked by special interests, lobbies and the creature from Jekyll Island.

In an interview with Argentinian newspaper La Nacion, The Guardian's journalist who first broke the Snowden story, said that "Snowden has enough information to cause more damage to the U.S. government in a minute alone than anyone else has ever had in the history of the United States.

Asked if he was afraid that Snowden might be killed, Greenwald said: “If something were to happen, those documents would be made public. This is your insurance policy," according to The Hill.

"The U.S. government should be on your knees every day praying that nothing happens to Snowden, because if something happens, all information will be revealed and that would be their worst nightmare," Greenwald added.

As noted earlier, it is Latin America, China and Russia that is the model "axis" for Greenwald, as only those countries are not afraid to stand up to US bullying and intimidation. That this bipolar distribution of world powers will likely define world events for the years to come is certainly something to keep in mind.

Greenwald said the asylum offers from Latin America showed that the U.S. was less intimidating to certain countries around the world.

“Only a few countries, including several in Latin America, China and Russia, have challenged the U.S., have realized that America is no longer in a position of strength as it did before with the rest of the world, and that the rest of the countries do not have to obey their demands as if it were an imperial order,” Greenwald said.

Of course, resolving the Snowden "situation" does not have to be terminal: the 30 year old would likely survive some 40-50 years in maximum security penitentiary if preserving his life was of tantamount importance: something the US legal system, responsible for such smash hits as Eric Holder, would have no problem with.

Still, the consistent critic of U.S. intelligence policies also said that Snowden’s position was dicey, and that the leaker needed to stay out of U.S. custody – given how “extremely vindictive” American officials have proven.

 

The American judicial system, Greenwald said, "cannot be trusted when it comes to people accused of endangering the national security. The judges do everything they can to secure convictions in these cases."

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The full interview with a rough English translation as recommended by Greenwald himself, is below:

"Snowden has enough information to cause more damage to the U.S. government in a minute alone than anyone else has ever had in the history of the United States," said the NATION Greenwald, 46, and since these latitudes write regularly on international security issues have made him famous, winner of several distinguished awards.

Today, the New Yorker, a former lawyer, is in the eye of the storm. Lawmakers in Washington want to put him on trial, spies of various countries seek Snowden secret information shared with him last month in Hong Kong and he still sent from Moscow through an encrypted email system. He knows he's being watched and that their conversations are monitored. They even steal the laptop from her boyfriend Rio, of your own home.

Three men wait in the lobby of the hotel Royal Tulip with credentials of a congress of osteoporosis which the custodian has no idea. Are they really doctors or are following Greenwald? Appearances are deceptive.

- Does Snowden's decision to stay in Russia while achieving come to Latin America?

-Yes, the most important thing is not to end in U.S. custody, which proved extremely vindictive government to punish those who reveal uncomfortable truths, and in whose judicial system can not be trusted when it comes to people accused of endangering the national security, the judges do everything they can to secure convictions in these cases. It would be immediately put in prison to cover the debate that helped generate, and end the rest of his days behind bars.

- Russia gives security guarantees?

-Not many countries in the world that have the ability and willingness to defy U.S. demands. But Russia is one of those countries and it has been good so far.

- Beyond the revelations about the spying system performance in general, what extra information has Snowden?

-Snowden has enough information to cause more damage to the U.S. government in a minute alone than anyone else has ever had in the history of the United States. But that's not his goal. Its objective is to expose software that people around the world use without knowing what they are exposing themselves without consciously agreeing to surrender their rights to privacy. It has a huge number of documents that would be very harmful to the U.S. government if they were made public.

- Are you afraid that someone will try to kill him?

It's a possibility, although I do not bring many benefits to anyone at this point. Already distributed thousands of documents and made sure that several people around the world have their entire file. If something were to happen, those documents would be made public. This is your insurance policy. The U.S. government should be on your knees every day praying that nothing happens to Snowden, because if something happens, all information will be revealed and that would be their worst nightmare.

- Can Latin America be a good shelter for Snowden?

-Only a few countries, including several in Latin America, China and Russia, have challenged the U.S., have realized that America is no longer in a position of strength as it did before with the rest of the world, and that the rest of the countries do not have to obey their demands as if it were an imperial order. In Latin America feels a natural sympathy for the United States, yet there is a great resentment for specific historical policies of Washington toward the region. What happened to the plane of Evo Morales in Europe caused a strong reaction, was treated as if Bolivia was a colony and not a sovereign state.

-From Snowden shared documents with you, there is much more information related to Latin America?

Yes For each country that has an advanced communications system, such as from Mexico to Argentina, there are documents that detail how the United States collects the traffic information, the programs that are used to capture the transmissions, the number of interceptions are performed per day, and more. One way to intercept communications is through a telephone corporation in the United States that has contracts with telecommunications companies in most Latin American countries. The important thing will be to see what the reaction of the various governments. I do not think that the governments of Mexico and Colombia do much about it. But maybe those of Argentina and Venezuela itself willing to take action.

 


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Sat, 07/13/2013 - 19:48 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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So release it already.   Whatever "damage" would be done is presumably because of illegal activity that he is exposing.  If he truly can't divulge certain information without being the traitor they claim he is, why didn't he put everything else into a "doomsday" file to be released and keep whatever he considers legitimate/legal intelligence gathering separate?   

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 19:50 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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Praying? On your knees? What are you, some kind of antimurkan mooselimb?

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 19:55 | Link to Comment Deo vindice
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The time has come to simply care for our own. Our governments have forgotten both God and their responsibility to uphold the liberties that our Creator has granted.

I have enjoyed my time reading and participating on ZH, but now I take my leave.

Tyler, I would ask you to delete my name and comments, removing me and them rom here and not having the handle taken by another.

I have no intention of commenting further.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 19:57 | Link to Comment Stares straight...
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Greenwald just put a big target on Snowden's back for international assassins.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 20:00 | Link to Comment suteibu
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Indeed. Easy way out for Putin.  Blames Snowden's death on Obama and gets all the dope on the US for free.  Bonus.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 20:05 | Link to Comment Stares straight...
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Maybe he wants the scoop.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:35 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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And Zimmerman's 'Snowden' gets fired:

 http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justice/zimmerman-it-firing/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Pardon the source, I was slumming...

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:50 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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"It has come to our attention that you violated numerous State Attorney's Office (SAO) policies and procedures and have engaged in deliberate misconduct that is especially egregious in light of your position."

Translation -- you spoke what you believe to be the truth, which is a fireable offence when employed by the State.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 22:26 | Link to Comment bigdumbnugly
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Greenwald: "The US Government Should Be On Its Knees Every Day Praying That Nothing Happens To Snowden"

 

silly glen greenwald.

doesn't he know the US government is already on its knees to loyd blankfein and jamie dimon and don't have no time for any of that prayin stuff.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 22:40 | Link to Comment max2205
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Maybe he has barry's birth certificate

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 23:02 | Link to Comment Bindar Dundat
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If they wanted him dead , it would be done by now.  As a former politician  all I can say is:

1) Nothing is an accident

2) nothing is ever what it seems, and

3) Everybody is a little bit crazy when it comes to protecting their pensions....

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 07:51 | Link to Comment bunnyswanson
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It has been 3 weeks.  William Cooper took a few years.  You folks who are so quick to dismiss him are the mystery here.  I have had a person spend 20 minutes on a comment site proving with little evidence what you have just said.  However, he never answered my question:  What would the goal be in providing us with information they have spent a decade concealing?  Answer that please.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:36 | Link to Comment ATM
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If the goal is the destruction of the USA, as I beleive Obama and his Maoists fellow travelers are working towards, then the destruction of all trust in the USA as a partner and ally needs to be part of the plan.

Isolate and humiliate.

What better way than to hold up to the world the despicable spying, lying and the sham that is Amerocan 'Liberty'? You destroy the image and the desire of people to live in what has been a beacon of freedom for people around the world and they become resigned to the fact that everyone must live under the hevy hand of government tyrants, for our own good.

 

edit.... and here it comes.   http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0ee001a0-eb13-11e2-bfdb-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2Z28jZYDw

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 13:05 | Link to Comment Element
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And let's not leave out the people who stupidly say "Snowden's produced nothing new that was not already known", as these people should be directly bailed-up to explain how, and what exactly they knew about the PRISM program, before Edward Snowden spilled the beans about it, and revealed its' whole US and wider global architecture, and its sub-program linkages, operation, and data flow?

 

</crickets>

 

yup ... because they're either completely full of shit, or plain dishonest spinners making crap up, or the despicable shitbird with a tawdry blog which needs some traffic-stat goosing, to try and pay the monthly bills (and it's not really surprising such sites struggle to attract traffic, but they haven't worked that part out yet).

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:29 | Link to Comment mvsjcl
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I down-voted you not for the content of your post, but for being a former politician.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:37 | Link to Comment ATM
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I up voted you but he is a FORMER politician..... Maybe I should down vote you?? Shit it's so confusing.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:53 | Link to Comment mvsjcl
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I sort of see what you mean, but should one be forgiven for being a former concentration camp guard? "Former" bestows no forgiveness.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 18:54 | Link to Comment SuccorMoney
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Probably Mitt's tax returns, too.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 23:27 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Well, LTER, I guess I am scared to shit with what St. Snowden might have.  That info will land us in FEMA Camp for sure, see ya there soon!

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 23:37 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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I'd say I'll buy you a beer there, but my guess is they won't sell it.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 00:18 | Link to Comment Prometheus418
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Sure they will, LTER-

You've got to get with the flipside of your literary coin, and remember that Orwell gave the proles both synthetic gin and Soma.

Nothin' says Uncle Sam lovin' like some cheap domestic lager.  Probably won't even have to pay for it- my guess is that they hand out drink tickets like a beer tent at a fair.  I'm going to predict two tickets for every man and woman over 21 per day, and they'll be one of the hotter forms of currency in the trailer district.

Don't forget what the Romans knew- In Vino Veritas.  Busting someone for being rowdy and mouthy in a controlled area has a... sobering effect on the rest of the inmates.  They don't even need to back-bag or disappear anyone- hell, if they're clever, they'll bring back the stockades, and those who weren't there can indulge their two minutes hate on Monday morning, when they throw rotten rations at the troublemakers.  That way, everyone can feel like the slavery was their own idea.

Yeah, I know.  Fuck me for thinking like they do.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 00:22 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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I can hardly wait to get back to America, Snowden & Zimmerman, what a circus our country has become.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 00:27 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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We the Sheeple.  

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 20:33 | Link to Comment Robot Traders Mom
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Have either Greenwald or Assange ever 'released' anything that has resulted in a US or Israeli official losing their job?

 

As sadistic as it is to say, our intelligence can get to anyone. They can get to Kennedy and MLK but they can't get to Julian Assange? 

 

Anything that Assange or Greenwald touches, has to be looked at as disinfo, at this point. Assange intercepted Manning's document release and Greenwald may have done that with Snowden...If he is truly for tranparency, we'd have everything by now. Nothing would be held back. Every single one of us would have dropped it at once. 

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 20:42 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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RT's Mom, that is the cold truth my friend. Thank you for stating it.

The lack of transparency, even from the 'whistleblowers,' is alarming to say the least. If anyone really cared that much, the info would be in public sight immediately and we would be busy bringing out the guillotines.

But nope, you got another season of NFL to watch, brudda.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:13 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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I hate to say it because I was 100% behind this guy, but I'm starting to think the same thing.  If you have "deep throat" evidence of an illegal government conspiracy, and you call yourself a whistleblower, you blow the whistle.  Sure you may hold some stuff back until you are safe and sound, but this appears to be more than that.  Fuck I hate these fuckers.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:23 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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All I know is that we're on, like, DAY 33 of the 'no new Snowden foto' [un]watch... Not even those clever 'Sunglass Hut' employees can't get to him...

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:27 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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I've been a sucker before.  Won't be the last time I'm sure.  But the jury is still out on Snowden.  Whether he's a plant or the real deal, he did wake up a lot of people.  If they intended that, I can only imagine what they have in mind next.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:29 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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I was going to say exactly what Francis said. So many days and yet no information? Is he busy getting a month long BJ? What else can keep matters so fucking pertinent to the entire human species from release?

Kabuki. So much of it.

I've seen your support for this fool under the right datapoint contexts, and your support is warranted under those contexts which have previously elapsed. But in just a short month we are in different times, man. Everything you hear on MSM is pure story, nothing else.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:32 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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I will reluctantly admit my error when it is apparent, but I still see some hope that he's the real deal.  Keep in mind that the people whose information he is (supposedly) revealing are extremely clever.  There are entire agencies devoted to counter-intelligence.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:42 | Link to Comment TheMeatTrapper
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I don't think the US government would have forced down the plane of a sovereign nations President because they suspected he was on board - only to find out they were wrong; if he was a plant.

It simply makes no sense. 

In order for the guy to be a plant, they have to be willing to (further) piss off most of the world, further alienate a certain segment of the US population, publicly embarass tech partners such as MSFT GOOG, AAPL etc., and have some of their most closely guarded secrets plastered all over the internet. 

And for what end? 

To further scare people? To make sure the sheeple stay in line? It's not like the sheeple were exactly restive to begin with. 

I'm willing to keep an open mind on the issue; but at this point the cost benefit ratio of the guy being a plant is way out of kilter in my opinion . 

Edited to add: I'm an honest man. I'll admit that I want to believe him. 

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:50 | Link to Comment Almost Solvent
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I generally agree, but maybe the President of Boliva (or wherever) didn't send Obama a card on his birthday last year or forgot to send him a congratulations after the re-election. 

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 23:01 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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President of Bolivia... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!... Give me a break... CIA are the biggest drug runners on the planet... They probably own Bolivia...

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 00:05 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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REALLY? well why don't go on down there big boy and advertise to all those "Latino's" that you're Mr. Big Wig CIA cocktard then? something tells me "they're very picky about the CIA guys they deal with" down there and drug dealing types are REALLY not how you want to advertise yourself...especially if you're "mr pretend to be CIA guy." but hey...i look forward to your field reports fine sir!

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 06:56 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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You seriously don't get the point... They're all in business together [not competing against each other]...

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:17 | Link to Comment eatapeach
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Yeah, you right. The fringes must be entertained, too. ZH thinkers probably prefer this international boogie to NASCAR, but we're all part of the taxed masses everywhere. Living like Thoreau may be the answer.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 23:05 | Link to Comment phaedrus1952
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A poster on page 4 (as of this posting) has a 'take' from Jim Willie that I personally think explains this Snowden narrative ... a war being waged by different factions of the intelligence agencies upon one another for very high stakes indeed.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 00:09 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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once you make it personal and involve a head of State...guess what....this isn't a bureaucratic battle anymore. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpK26oxqw-A

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 01:46 | Link to Comment zjxn06
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The Reality of America

 


"I’d thank my lucky stars to be livin’ here today, 
’Cause the flag still stands for freedom and they can’t take that away,  And I’m proud to be an American where at least I know I’m free." – Lee Greenwood

Poor Edward Snowden. The man performed a valuable public service. He should get a medal on this Independence Day. Instead, he will have to face the music.

“As Snowden looks for asylum, doors slam around the world,” says the International Herald Tribune.

Tuesday, the Russians seemed to close their doors to him. Ecuador seems to be withdrawing its invitation. Venezuela and Bolivia are still possibilities.

But like Julian Assange, he may be forced to hole up in some gloomy embassy. Or worse, he may be handed over to the US for a full program of torture. Yes, they could force him to watch TV! Or a Senate hearing! Or listen to Lee Greenwood whine on the radio!

He will surely want to slit his wrists after a few hours… saving the feds the cost of killing him.

Yes, the music Snowden will face, if he is delivered to the Americans, will be grim. He will be charged with treason… which comes with a funeral dirge.

Here at The Daily Reckoning, we are shoulder to shoulder with Snowden. “He broke the law,” say the news reports. That’s what we admire about him. Sometimes the law needs to be broken.

America circa 2013: History will record that laws grew up like kudzu.

One law told people they had to have health insurance, whether they wanted it or not. Another told them what they could do with their money… another gave them the right to ingest certain things, but not others.

The proliferation of laws made more and more things unlawful. You cannot smoke a cigarette where you please. You cannot have a private conversation. You cannot do this… but you must do that.

This trend gave lawmakers — including mid-level bureaucrats and unnamed officials — more and more power. And took power away from ordinary citizens, who were convinced that it made sense to limit their rights more and more to preserve their freedom.

And every day, during the summer of 2013, the sun shone, the kudzu grew, and wrapped itself around their necks. Did they fail to report a $5 tip? Did they forget to separate their garbage? Or dare to fix a clogged toilet without a permit? Americans were so proud of their freedom, they didn’t notice how fast they were losing it.

They didn’t notice (how could they?) the huge growth in secret organizations around Washington. They could scarcely remember going through an airport without standing in ‘security’ lines with their belts and shoes in their hands. They had to assume (what else could they do?) that public officials really were working to make their lives safer and more prosperous.

But, as more and more things could get you into trouble (more than anyone could possibly keep track of), it became more and more important to keep one’s affairs private.

Likewise, the controllers found it ever more convenient to tap phones and record private email conversations. Who knows when you might say something they could use against you!


Is the kind of “big data” the feds are gathering useful? Our friend Nassim Taleb tells us that it is probably less accurate… or more prone to misconstruction… than the feds believe:

“We’re more fooled by noise than ever before, and it’s because of a nasty phenomenon called ‘big data.’ With big data, researchers have brought cherry-picking to an industrial level.

“Modernity provides too many variables, but too little data per variable. So the spurious relationships grow much, much faster than real information. In other words: Big data may mean more information, but it also means more false information.”

But this is just great for the feds. They know perfectly well that the fight against terror is a pretext. They are zombies. The real goal of zombies is to increase their power and wealth at someone else’s expense. And for that, false information is better than the real thing.

False information can show anything you want it to show — even that a 93-year-old great grandmother is a threat to the nation.

Lies are more valuable, to them, than the truth.

Edward Snowden came out and revealed the extent to which the feds — under the guise of protecting us from terrorism — are keeping track of everyone and everyone’s business.

This was deeply disturbing to thoughtful people… if there still were any who feared the rise of an all-knowing, all-powerful Big Brother state from which no secrets are kept and from which no desires are hidden.

And it was disturbing too to the Big Brothers. They insist on knowing everything about everybody else’s business. But they made it a crime to reveal what they were up to!

In short, nobody likes a snitch… and a snoop especially dislikes a snitch.

Snowden was paid to snoop, not to snitch. He was paid to break the law and lie about it. And now he may have to face the law and pay the price for telling the truth.

Regards,

Bill Bonner
for The Daily Reckoning

http://dailyreckoning.com/the-reality-of-america/

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:50 | Link to Comment Element
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"... Big data may mean more information, but it also means more false information.”

They're more than OK with misunderstanding this rapidly-accreting false info as well though ... look what they did to Iraq with false info ... they love using false info to smear and present the public with iron-clad innuendo. It works just as well you just need a lot of it and repeat the innuendo and keep it in the public eye plus 'stay-on-message'. Then you call the resulting bombardment and blood-bath, the gutting of a whole-country, using entirely false-pretense and outright lies something ritzy and cool, like, "Shock-n-Awe" ... because we all know ... those bastards had it comin' to 'em.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 22:11 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

All I know is that we're on, like, DAY 33 of the 'no new Snowden foto' [un]watch... Not even those clever 'Sunglass Hut' employees can't get to him...

Actually, we're back to day one:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/12/edward-snowden-full-statemen...

Just tryin' to help.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 08:18 | Link to Comment Kiwi Pete
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Here's a link to a photo of him taken at his press conference in Moscow airport yesterday:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/12/edward-snowden-to-meet-amnesty-and-human-rights-watch-at-moscow-airport-live-coverag

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:29 | Link to Comment PC Load Letter
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If Putin says you can't release any info while on Russian soil, you don't do it. He will wait until he leaves Russia before disclosing anything else

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 23:22 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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maybe Snowden isn't releasing everything since he wants... one ... MIIILLION...  dollars ??

 

 

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 00:22 | Link to Comment Prometheus418
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Run, Snowden Rabbit, Run.

He's a decoy being used to gage public reaction.  If you have the sand, stand up and bellow- if not enough of us do, TPTB will use it as a form of passive consent for further erosion of our liberty.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 00:05 | Link to Comment Go Tribe
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Hopefully an NFL season minus Cruz. What an asshole that guy is.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:19 | Link to Comment seek
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I think the issue is they don't want to appear heavy handed.

If Snowden isn't a plant, then I think you can blame several recent departures from the current administration on him, including the guy in charge of DHS.

At the level Snowden is dealing with, everyone is in on the scam. Anyone that "loses" a job does so for PR/perception value. If they could actually lose a job, it would imply they had a superior that wasn't corrupted, and that's not the case.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:29 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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I saw what you did there (he).  Good one.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 22:06 | Link to Comment franzpick
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So did I see it, the departure of a 'pioneer' coiffed accomplice, but whereto, the office next to Valerie, in what used to be the WH?

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:53 | Link to Comment Hobbleknee
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I agree with you on Assange, but cut Snowden some slack.  He is probably running for his life.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 23:25 | Link to Comment franzpick
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If anyone has a risk of being 'fosterized', the fatal corollary of being 'clintonized', it is Snowden, and if any air flight faces the tragic, fatal consequences of being declared 'missing' or 'lost in transit', "all souls lost", between Moscow-Cuba and Latin America, it would be the first corporate, national or military airline flight attempting to carry Snowden on his flight to UDHR internationally accepted "right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution" (Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights). 

Happy Landings Edward, but go before GoBombEm can get you with his new air-to-air and HellFire missles launched from the new intercontinental drones...

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 13:48 | Link to Comment 11b40
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How could Snowden ever trust the pilots of his escape flight?

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 09:58 | Link to Comment Element
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@Robot Traders Mom

Nice myth making, but have you actually looked at what the Wikileaks cable releases say about Israel being a nest of global organized crime? Have you looked at cables showing that the 'Russian' Mafia is really the Jewish-Russian Mafia?

No? Because it's all there.

It's real easy to claim that nothing was released about Israel's dodgy criminal dealings, but have you actually looked at any of it? You can keyword search it and read it online at any time.

Or, you can keep pretending it isn't there.

But now you're doing it to Snowden as well?

Sorry, but I don't remember Snowden saying he's blown his load yet.

But he has said there's a huge trove of hard info that has not emerged yet, but will.

But you go ahead and assume whatever.

But how about you likewise publicly and explicitly retract and apologize when/if you're shown to be substantially incorrect.

Sound fair-enough?

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:34 | Link to Comment Bringin It
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Element - I just want to add to all the doubting Thomases out there that Snowden's job was intercepting, finding targets and intercepting.  Maybe he could intercept anybody in real time, but most likely would need an explanation for intercepting targetss outside the scope of any project he was working on. 

He felt the work was unethical and needed to be exposed in a concrete way.  He brought out ... so far, concrete evidence of the scope of NSA activity.

None of this means he knows where they buried Jimmy Hoffa.

Those of you saying he's not real because he doesn't release more need to consider that access in that world is on a need-to-know basis.

Unless he's freakishly lucky doing the intercept work, he's not likely to know where the real JFK autopsy transcripts, etc. reside. 

I appreciate what he's done and the example he's set.

 

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:37 | Link to Comment Element
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I can't understand the impulse to kick the guy and blackball him before we even know what he's got to say in detail. To me it's totally daft and unacceptable.

Is this what any genuine future whistle-blower has to look forward too? Getting pre-emptively smeared and written-off?

And those saying that if he were the 'real-deal', that he would have just immediately dumped the lot of whatever he might have, don't really have much idea about basic tactics of survival, and don't give a damn that the guy is DEAD-MEAT thereafter, when he shows his face again.

Who thinks they have some special right to demand of him a full-spill of everything - NOW?

If you want to spill stuff then please do, and we can all judge you just as unfairly and pre-emptively.

In his situation I'd play my strong-suit, plus try to survive, so I'd only spill it once ready, and in the way I had planned to, especially if it were indeed of an 'historic' and geopolitically shattering nature. And I'd make sure the 'evil-doers' squirmed and thrashed about while doing it.

Plus I don't EVER remember the guy saying anything about exposing some other little country, only the US Govt's activities (et al.), so just what in hell has this got to do with Israel? How is the onus suddenly placed on Snowden to say something - anything at all even - about Israel?

That onus is not on him, and the people claiming that it is, need to explain why they think that it is?

Seriously, go ask them how they came to think that this is somehow relevant to what Snowden's said he intends to do, and why they suppose his credibility somehow hangs on him doing something that he's never said he was going to do.

Is that reasonable, or is it totally disingenuous dishonest nonsense?

Is it so hard for people to follow events, and Snowden's own released statements of intent?

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 20:52 | Link to Comment MontgomeryScott
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TO: Deo vindice...

Well, I think you should go hide under a rock, personally.

You seem to be taking a coward's exit, in my opinion.

'Those who fight and run away, live to fight another day', eh?

The problem IS, they are TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED, and can FIND you, over there under your rock.

As you pat yourself for 'surviving because you fled the battlefield', those who wish to harm or destroy you and your family will make it a GAME of 'whack-a-mole', and YOU will be the 'mole'. Your 'comfort zone' will be eradicated, and your 'hole under the rock' will be filled with your blood. Those who are 'victorious' will take pictures, posing as the 'heroes' who 'sanitized' another 'dissenter', and YOU will be all DEAD.

To die the death of a COWARD would be the ultimate humiliation of a man. As you sit, cowering, in your bunker, in total fear, knowing that you fled when the battle was starting to turn, and KNOWING that you turned your back on the rest of your fellows, and the bullets begin to rattle your 'doomsday bunker'; right before the death of you, will you remember this moment; the moment when you QUIT FIGHTING for the lives of EVERYONE?

Will you tell your sad story to the millions who rolled over and died, throughout the 20'th century, for the BANKER WARS?

Your loss, while not incidentally noticable, is indeed  sad. The CRUX of this moment is indeed your final abeyance to the minions from HELL, and you have scored another minor victory for the ENEMY.

I would wager that you never thought about this in such absolute terms.

Good luck, and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:21 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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I see they've deployed the drones to incite talk of violence.  3 years and 39 weeks and you think I'm a Romney supporter (post below).  Nice try.   Whatever you are being paid it is far above your skills.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 23:30 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1 LTER

I too have a comment on MScott below.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 00:08 | Link to Comment HulkHogan
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I'm with you RandEater. MScott, you were obviously told to write like a militant and attempt to spark violence from ZH writers. I can tell you are a well read, very intelligent person, probably with multiple degrees from great universities. I know you have a big dream -- go chase it. This job isn't for you.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:29 | Link to Comment YC2
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Thx for letting us know lol

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 01:08 | Link to Comment monoloco
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Deo vindice, Don't let the door hit you in your cowardly ass.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:38 | Link to Comment aldousd
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Offtopic: Or you could reply to the comment you clicked 'reply' on. If you want to appear at the top of the comments list so you can be seen, get there first.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:12 | Link to Comment Banksters
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Jon Corzine here.  Justice is a hammer to hit the unconnected and poor(anyoneworth under a 100 million dollars)  over the fucking head.   Cocksuckers like me and my banker brood will ass fuck you till you're silly.   4th amendment rights?  HAH!  An infrastructure of surveillance so extreme and stultifying is being enacted that will make watergate look like j walking.    Yeah, I'm still free, just like Mozilo, Dimon, Fuld and the rest of the club. So, what are you fucking bitchez gonna do?

 

 

 

 

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:14 | Link to Comment mick_richfield
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We're going to stop using your money.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 01:56 | Link to Comment slvrizgold
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+$1280/+$19.95  to Mick Richfield

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:09 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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We'll stop enlisting in the LEAs and Mil, cause there are so many better career opportunities out there. [sarc LOL]

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 20:32 | Link to Comment MontgomeryScott
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Snowden, being a true patriot, has also stated that he desires NO HARM to his nation. Unfortunately, his nation (or, rather, the Shadow Government that runs it) wishes to terminate him with extreme prejudice.

I saw this story that is being posted over here several hours ago, and have had some time to think about what MIGHT be released, should Ed Snowden be suicided (or otherwise taken care of, as seen in the death of another 'whistleblower' in the form of a certain associate editor at Rolling Stone magazine with the last name of Hastings).

We are talking about Booz Allen Hamilton, and whatever is available to them (transcribed, recorded, or whatever else). Ed Snowden may very well have EVERY data file on record from them. This includes all the 'metadata', as well as recordings of EVERY PHONE CONVERSATION and EMAIL and probably ALL the video records from EVERY so-called 'security camera' in the ENTIRE CONUS for at LEAST the past 15 years (or, at least, a backdoor key to open these files).

When Greenwald stated that the US Government should be down on its knees begging, I do not think this is an exaggeration in any stretch of the phrase.

Snowden is beginning to realize that it is a hopeless and futile gesture to hope for a restoration of the 'Constitutional Republic', I think.

YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND what you are asking for, 'LetThemEatRand'.

This nation survived, despite the FACT that the 'Gulf Of Tonkin' incident NEVER ACTUALLY HAPPENED, and the FACT that the Oklahoma City Bombing did NOT happen in the fashion that the 'official story' has told you (for examples, which are far to numerous to list here).

I was questioning what FACTS he has, today, after reading this story BEFORE Zero hedge picked it up, and his hesitation to release them. He is on the record as a man of his principles; the first being to NOT harm this nation.

RAND, on the other hand, came out in support of MITTENS ROMNEY and his quarter-billion dollar offshore invesments in the Cayman Islands (and all the other issues that Romney has), as opposed to HIS OWN FATHER, the Honorable Representative from the Great State of Texas, Dr. Ron Paul.

I suggest that you change your 'avatar name'.

When you move from California to, say, Idaho, the FIRST thing you do is go to the DMV and GET IDAHO PLATES. That way, you will not be though of as 'being from THERE'.

Frankly, I am mortally ashamed, as I actually contributed fedscrip to a man who turned on his own father (RAND PAUL, that is).

Stuff to think about.

 

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:04 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Edit -- I responded to you in earnest, then I read your post above responding to someone else.  Go fuck yourself troll.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:18 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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At the very least, it does seem a bit odd that someone would have an account here for three years and thirty nine weeks and yet not know to whom your handle refers.

Dang weird.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:25 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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He's government.  This story no doubt is one that "they" consider fodder for finding ter'ists who would dare to suggest that a program that spies on all Americans is bad.  

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:24 | Link to Comment seek
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There's been an obvious surge in sockpuppet activity around the Snowden story and a couple others (gold shortage being one) recently.

Remember when they show up it's a positive sign, since it means someone is worried about what we think.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:54 | Link to Comment Almost Solvent
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I'm waiting for the downvote troll to show up. 

 

Most Snowden & gold threads seem to get the downvote troll(s?) out. 

 

Maybe they're off on the weekends?

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 22:11 | Link to Comment Almost Solvent
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Damn you fuckers are fast. 

 

Now, suck my dick and massage my balls you langley fucks.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 01:14 | Link to Comment Prometheus418
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Seriously?

I didn't up or down you, but you're not adding anything to the conversation.

I mark your downvotes in the column of sophestry, and consider them legitimate.  All you did was appeal to forum norms and attempt to ride a tide of upvotes on the internet to a false sense of acceptance.

Normally not worth my time, but what the hell, I'm bored tonight.

So here's the scheme as I see it- people come here more for the comments than the articles (I do, at least,) and there are a few different types- The thoughtful, the drive-bys, the fighting, and the trolls. 

You just did a drive-by, IMO.  Grabbed the prevailing sentiment, shot out a 30 second comment that fit the norm, and then monitored it to show how "right" you were.  It's not that opaque a ruse, and it deserves downvotes, as far as I'm concerned- unless you take Palahnuik's view and feel like this-

"Tyler built himself an army. Why was Tyler Durden building an army? To what purpose? For what greater good? In Tyler we trusted."

If that's the case, feel feel to continue building ZH memes.  And I'll keep probing the open wounds.  I don't know who Tyler Durden is- it's nice of him to let us use his basement, but I'm not inclined to kneel to him any more than I would to any other man.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 22:16 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

I'm waiting for the downvote troll to show up.

That didn't take very long.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 23:14 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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LOL, seek, Almost and TheFourth!  I upped you three guys!

Re Snowden, from the very start I had doubts that ¨Moe Howard¨) raised). Something was just not adding up right.  I was tarred & feathered.  IF (and I don`t know anymore than anyone else) St. Edward turns out to have be something else, I have a couple of people in mind that I am going to have fuuuuuun with!  That means you two guys ¨John G¨ and ¨americanreality¨...

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 00:14 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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i just the guy was a nobody and the whole thing was a farce. now that the entire Continent of South America has declared war on us i've been forced to reconsider. clearly more marriage proposals are in the offing...

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 00:28 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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I am in Lima, Peru right now (on business), and NO ONE gives a shit here about St. Edward.  (nor Zimmerman, LOL!)

I married a Peruvian gal, I am very lucky.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 01:28 | Link to Comment monoloco
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The most disturbing part of the whole thing is that Booz Allen Hamilton is owned by The Carlyle Group. Is there anybody who thinks that the who's who of cooporate oligarchy wouldn't use the information they gather to front run financial information or blackmail politicians? Am I paranoid to wonder if maybe that's why the Kenyan did a complete 180 on most of his campaign promises of 08?

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 09:15 | Link to Comment blindman
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good point. "shadow information industrial complex".
there a new one ! soon they will have nano bots in
every human blood stream reporting in real time. even
better, the nano bots will be directing individual consciousness
and that will be patented and owned by the shadow information
industrial complex.
.
the idea that there is a cache of dynamite information protecting
mr. snowman doesn't make sense. first, he is surly not the only one
who has it and the number might be, according to the wilson/plame, in the
millions. then there is the problem of extortion, someone/s of the
holders of the cache/s will surly want some lots o money but if
there are many copies and many people with the access then what is
the price? what is the fair market value of this historical data
and who are the parties and the agents of the parties to negotiate
these deals in the shadow information industrial complex?
.
where is the skin in the game for the agents? who is the
paymaster in the shadow? and why isn't all this just a viral global
extortion and blackmail caper glorified as a national security
boondoggle? didn't the government and meat industry always send spoiled goods
to the front lines anyway?
.
some things just don't add up.
.
greenwald is exaggerating the uniqueness of the cache, imho,
and it makes him sound desperate, maybe even fearful.
poker face lost?
.
great ideas up and down the thread!

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 09:57 | Link to Comment blindman
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shadow information industrial complex with
shadow financing in the shadow derivate
universe to the amount of 600-900 trillion
dollars. digital money is information is
power. what more does one need to know about
world domination anyway?
.
nearly entirely lost yet?
if not there is always much moar ...

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:24 | Link to Comment blindman
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http://www.ascensionwithearth.com/2013/07/interview-with-nsa-whistleblow... . from down the thread.. . Published on Jul 9, 2013 Abby Martin talks to Russell Tice, former intelligence analyst and original NSA whistleblower, about how the recent NSA scandal is only scratches the surface of a massive surveillance apparatus, citing specific targets the he saw spying orders for including former senators Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama.

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Duc888

Vote up!

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OK, I found it, here we go. enjoy.

http://www.ascensionwithearth.com/2013/07/interview-with-nsa-whistleblow...

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 20:32 | Link to Comment Boondocker
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Putin is saying stay but dont release more info.....wtf?  Russia isnt as tough as they seem?  Beholden?  

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 23:34 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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a shepherd trades for himself, not the sheep

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 04:47 | Link to Comment old naughty
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How do you know he's a shepherd, not a blacker-sheep only?

Can't you see there are strings on his back?

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 09:28 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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strings on Putin?  did you miss the context?

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 22:05 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

So release it already.

He's been doing that, and continues to do so. Why would he want to dump it all at once? So far, it appears to me that each release has been about something which Snowden considers of great importance. His current pace has given people a few days to think about the information revealed by each release. A single massive data dump and the resulting information overload would mean that a lot issues which Snowden considers important would get lost in the noise and not receive what he would consider adequate attention.

Additionally, were he to release everything at once, the US government would no longer have any incentive to refrain from killing him outright or imprisoning and torturing him for the next thirty years.

Whatever "damage" would be done is presumably because of illegal activity that he is exposing.

Yes, and presumably he has information on so much illegal activity that he can continue to expose it for years to come.

If he truly can't divulge certain information without being the traitor they claim he is

I don't believe that's the case at all. From the very start, he has taken and continues to hold the moral high ground. That high ground is something which can be lost by his actions alone; the US government cannot take it from him.

why didn't he put everything else into a "doomsday" file to be released

According to Glenn Greenwald, this is exactly what he has done.

and keep whatever he considers legitimate/legal intelligence gathering separate?

Snowden's statements have indicated that he will not reveal any information pertaining to legitimate/legal intelligence affecting the safety and security of the United States. Thus far, his actions have been consistent with his words.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 09:36 | Link to Comment stant
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google [main core] that will give ya a idea what hes got

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 09:49 | Link to Comment Oldballplayer
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Oh yeah.  If this guy has "the stuff" on the GOVUS and it is as horrible as he thinks it is, it is duty as a patriot to release it.  We have a "right" to know what our government is doing.

Of course, if he is just an immature douche who never got the "props" he wanted to being a good doobie, then he will keep it secret and use it as "insurance."

A true patriot and "hero" would take one for the team.

I call immature douche.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:36 | Link to Comment blindman
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snowman moves from Hawaii so as not to melt and goes
to hong kong / china then to Moscow. can mean only one thing
regarding his citizenship and affiliation with the usa.
he has evidence of treason at the top. the question is will
the treasonous bastards stay in power and destroy him or will
the treason be prosecuted and he will be saved? well, if he
doesn't release the information and data that proves the
treason then he is screwed by himself! everything else is
blackmail and extortion, or evidence of security breeches and
spy/counter spying.
.
this, we know. what is the evidence of high treason? if it
doesn't come out the criminals win and he becomes an accomplice
himself.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 13:33 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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"So release it already." -- LTER

Hole card.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 19:51 | Link to Comment nmewn
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The Deadman's Switch.

A don't fuck with me for reals or a simple ruse saying don't fuck with me or else.

Can they afford to chance it...very high stakes ;-)

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 20:13 | Link to Comment XitSam
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I think they've gone through the logs and know what he has, or at least what he could have.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 20:22 | Link to Comment TheMeatTrapper
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I think they've gone through the logs and know what he has, or at least what he could have.

I agree. That's why they were willing to force down the plane of a sovereign nations President and search it. To my knowledge, this has never before occurred in history. 

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 20:32 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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Wow. That seems to fit together. Our society is literally being held up by secrets. For the truth to be known would destroy it. Makes sense. He works in mysterious ways.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:49 | Link to Comment Bringin It
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MeatTrapper - a known problem with imo leading italics keeps me from up voting your sharp summary.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:12 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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The Up vote arrow does not work for me on your posting.  Might explain why you only have 1 Up.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 20:35 | Link to Comment nmewn
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I think by now they have too.

What I think he's got (IMHO) is the NSA-USA tie-in company to every foreign telco, CATV, ISP on the planet.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:21 | Link to Comment Bollixed
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All he needs is Obo's real undeniable Kenyan birth certificate, as an example, to cause major problems. Or the Bush links to JFK, or the trail left by the real 9/11 perps, or, or, or...

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:46 | Link to Comment nmewn
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lol...well, I don't know about all that...but what he's got (or purports to have) is the key to the current matrix.

If I were them, I'd leave him alone, it buys them time...and him too of course.

But this decades long festering boil of government paranoia and attempt at speech control needed to be popped and he did it, no question about it.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 23:05 | Link to Comment Clashfan
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More blather from the 911 truth denier, nmewn. 911 was an inside job, and if Snowden's the real deal, he knows it.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 09:42 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Is it possible for you to go at least 24hrs without trying to divert commentary on ANY discussion to your obsessive-compulsive disorder?

The answer is obviously no.

Its not about 911 or me or your OCD.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:28 | Link to Comment seek
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I think they have an idea, but don't actually know, and that's what has them terrified.

Remember when the story first broke they downplayed it as almost nothing, and that he was too low-level to have access to anything. Then he released more than one big surprise.

My guess is they thought they knew, but then he surprised them with things they didn't know he had, and now they're dealing with a nightmare scenario. He may have been good enough at his job to hide logs and audit trails.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 22:06 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Here's a good one...

"The firm Schulman & Mathias represents Aurelia Fedenisn, a former investigator at the State Department’s Office of the Inspector General. In recent weeks, she raised a slew of explosive allegations against the department and its contractors ranging from illicit drug use, soliciting sexual favors from minors and prostitutes and sexual harassment.

“It’s a crazy, strange and suspicious situation,” attorney Cary Schulman told The Cable. “It’s clear to me that it was somebody looking for information and not money. My most high-profile case right now is the Aurelia Fedenisn case, and I can’t think of any other case where someone would go to these great lengths to get our information.”

http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2013/07/breaking-firm-representing-state-dept-whistleblower-burglarized-2532326.html

My opinion, we tend to over-emphasis their intellectual capabilities while discounting their plodding, caveman-like command structure.

Third rate burglars with a badge most of the time...IMO...but heaven help the slow if they ever catch you, they'll squish you like a bug because they have finally caught something small enough to dominate and its all they have to concentrate on for a little while.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 00:19 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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the NSA are not third rate burglars. indeed they may have just stolen everything. "In real time and with further advancements." trust me from what i've heard of this Snowden guy...with the exception of listening in the President himself...i have found his allegations FAR from explosive. indeed "i would call that de-riguer" insofar as the NSA is concerned. how ironic that suddenly this situation has become a matter of State policy. this will not make the NSA "roll back what it's doing." i would argue strongly in fact that they will do the exact opposite actually.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 09:50 | Link to Comment nmewn
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I dunno, the burglary (obviously criminal) could have been political hacks for Hitlary or State Department staffers.

As far as the NSA, the ISP's, Facespooks etc. are storing our commnications for the NSA (at government direction) so its not like they're hacking in...its just being given to them as ordered.

A clear violation of the Fourth.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 19:52 | Link to Comment world_debt_slave
Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:10 | Link to Comment MontgomeryScott
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PLUS 1 for being a Rock Warrior!

Plus ONE MORE for using 'The Talking Heads'!

When I first heard this song, I thought of Ray Bradbury. 'Farenheit 451'...that I remembered from my 'English Honors 2' class...

The BBC's did a teleplay, back around 1984. I read the book back in the mid-1970's. HEADY STUFF!

Did you ever read (or watch) 'Stranger In A Strange Land', by a guy named Heinlein? The MSM in the CONUS did a 'miniseries' of it, some 30 years ago or so.

FUCKING DEEP SHIT!

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:34 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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<repeat>

That's fuck you in computer code.  But you knew that already, poster who has been here for almost 4 years and never posted anything and now speaks about BBC's [sic] teleplays.  Only a guy in a black suit would use the expression "rock warrior" in a sentence, unless he wanted to be ironic.  Speaking of which, don't you wonder why they make you wear black suits?   

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 05:37 | Link to Comment TPTB_r_TBTF
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plus he uses GovT lingo like "CONUS".  "They" need to reeducate this guy.  He is so obviously a paid Troll.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 09:52 | Link to Comment Oldballplayer
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You use the word ironic.

I dont think it means what you think it means.

Are are you using the Allanis Morrisette definition.  If so, carry on.

(PS:  Rain on your weddin day isn't "ironic.")

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 22:53 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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I can grok that.
BTW Scotty, how are those repairs to the Transporter coming along, so we can all beam up when the stuff hits the fan?
Kirk out.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 01:30 | Link to Comment Prometheus418
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Yeah, I read it.

The only thing I thought was worthwhile was his description of the Drunkard's Walk strategy for finding the truth, which was beautifully clear and concise.  The rest of Heinlein, as far as I'm concerned, was a bunch of BS carefully constructed to destroy our society.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 03:32 | Link to Comment RichardP
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Boo you.  Heinlein was my escape from the mundane in the 8th and 9th grades.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 19:53 | Link to Comment Taint Boil
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…..That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.. 

Bout sums it up I'd say ......

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:23 | Link to Comment MontgomeryScott
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HMMM.

I will have to report you to Janet Napolitano, or her bulldyke 'mate' Janet L. Reno.

Oh, shit. She's gone, taking a job at U.C...

I guess I will have to report you to Emmanuel (or the shit-eating child molesters over at the SPLC).

MAYBE, JAY CARNEY might have some 'comment', regarding your obviously TERRORISTIC' threats regarding OVERTHROWING and ABOLISHING this SHADOW GOVERNMENT.

I WOULD try to email the White House, but the president's mouth is full of bankster cock right now, and he is 'unable to respond'. I undestand that ther is some 'medical emergency', and his stomach is being pumped as we speak, because he SWALLOWED TOO MUCH SEMEN.

I can ASSURE YOU, however, that I WILL report you. HOW DARE you quote the Declaration Of Independence? YOU are a RACIST!

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:36 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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It is your mouth that is full of banker cock.  Sulu much?

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 19:54 | Link to Comment negative rates
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You can go sleep at home tonight, if you can get up and walk away.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 19:58 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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I stagerred back to the underground, and a breeze blew back my hair. Remember throwin punches around and preaching from my chair!

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 20:00 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Well who are you?

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 20:12 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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They call me 'The Seeker.' I've been searchin low and hiiiigh.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 20:18 | Link to Comment samsara
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We're not gonna take it
Never did and never will
Don't want no religion
And as far as we can tell
We ain't gonna take you
Never did and never will
We forsake you
Gonna rape you
Let's forget you better still

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 20:43 | Link to Comment CPL
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<Air guitar solo>

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 09:53 | Link to Comment Oldballplayer
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[Windmill guitar solo]

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 20:51 | Link to Comment jon dough
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You were under the impression
That when you were walking forward
You'd end up further onward
But things ain't quite that simple.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 20:52 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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"Too much be the truth, they say
Keep it till another day
Let them have their little games
Illusion helps to keep them sane!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUnioaDo0bI

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 22:40 | Link to Comment CPL
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<power slide in socks>

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 20:51 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Good one...of course you know I was tagging along for the ride with the lyrics.

One of my favorites...

Eminence front, come join our party, dress to kill, people forget...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APgC6XYcmSY

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:07 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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Of course, nmewn. Every ride is a good ride. :)

I've liked The Who's music since as long as I can remember. Good ol' Thunderfingers.

About that PedoPete...

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:23 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"Every ride is a good ride."

Cool, looking back at it in text, it seemed confrontational (the lyric) to the unknowing eye, which was not the intent.

Well, I ain't goin down the PedoPete road just yet. I think we've all heard the stories of English rockers, from Elton to Rod Stewart and their standby stomach pumps...lol.

So far they don't have a Richard Gere animal fetish...I think ;-)

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:51 | Link to Comment Bollixed
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Who's the bedwetter that junked you for posting a link to Eminence Front?

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 23:08 | Link to Comment Clashfan
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Never miss a chance to downvote a 911 truth denier. Never trust a 911 truth denier.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:10 | Link to Comment Jendrzejczyk
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True classic. Thanks.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:25 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Welcome sir...its great jam ;-)

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 00:06 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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Our conversation stopped. I don't know how to initiate them. Apologies. This happened with me and a few Zhers.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 00:27 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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,

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 05:28 | Link to Comment Jendrzejczyk
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I'll try to catch up with you today.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:30 | Link to Comment MontgomeryScott
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Rock Wars ON!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5kmCgVhADY

He said 'you cant go sleep in the underground

If you can get up and walk away

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:36 | Link to Comment enloe creek
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Nothing is planned, by the sea and the sand


Sat, 07/13/2013 - 21:45 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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So you're in your 50's.   Government contractor, likes The Who.  Lives in Virginia or Maryland.  Getting warm?

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 19:55 | Link to Comment observer007
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New tool:

Watch Your Data Traveling Through The Internet

 

(and how it is collected by the NSA):

http://homment.com/internet-nsa

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 19:55 | Link to Comment SheepleLOVEched...
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Snowden is smart, or at least his advisors are. He knows LatAm countries would eventually roll over on him and give him up under US pressure. Russia won't roll over for anyone.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 20:35 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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Russians do play chess. Just think of Putin making the relationship look like it is souring. Then the Bolivian Air Force 1 gets forced down in an unprecedented move. Did the Russians force the US to show its hand? The only country in the world that has nukes along with enough resources of its own to stand up to the US empire bully.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 23:04 | Link to Comment Baldrick
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It was definately an exercise for Snowden's benefit with the appearance of the Russian's setting it up.  "See? You are much safer here."

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 00:27 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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indeed. that guy is free to go anywhere now. "loose lips from Administration officials" both right AND left. "congratulations...now you have a problem" when only a totally ridiculous and ludicrous one existed before. i'd like to say "let it go" but it seems to me too late for that now as well. hmmm. makes you wonder what other individuals are out there...

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:15 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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Russians play chess, but Americans play poker.  Better BS beats a better hand many times.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 19:56 | Link to Comment Ribeye
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So release it already....

If, as he says, Snowy is a Ron Paul supporter, he must release all the info he has,

Fck Obama

Fck the Agency

Fck Mossad

Release the info,

All of it...

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 20:02 | Link to Comment suteibu
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Then Snowden has no leverage.

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