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Greenwald: "The US Government Should Be On Its Knees Every Day Praying That Nothing Happens To Snowden"
Edward Snowden may be America's persona most non grata in the entire world, but he has an insurance policy against "accidents": a treasure trove of supposedly damaging secrets about the US that will hit the public domain if something were to happen to the 30 year old whistleblower. A trove is so damaging that according to Glenn Greenwald, Snowden "poses more of a threat to the U.S. than anyone in the country’s history." Well, maybe a threat to the "government" which now only represents the interests of various corporations and Wall Street, but certainly not to what the US was supposed to be before it was hijacked by special interests, lobbies and the creature from Jekyll Island.
In an interview with Argentinian newspaper La Nacion, The Guardian's journalist who first broke the Snowden story, said that "Snowden has enough information to cause more damage to the U.S. government in a minute alone than anyone else has ever had in the history of the United States.
Asked if he was afraid that Snowden might be killed, Greenwald said: “If something were to happen, those documents would be made public. This is your insurance policy," according to The Hill.
"The U.S. government should be on your knees every day praying that nothing happens to Snowden, because if something happens, all information will be revealed and that would be their worst nightmare," Greenwald added.
As noted earlier, it is Latin America, China and Russia that is the model "axis" for Greenwald, as only those countries are not afraid to stand up to US bullying and intimidation. That this bipolar distribution of world powers will likely define world events for the years to come is certainly something to keep in mind.
Greenwald said the asylum offers from Latin America showed that the U.S. was less intimidating to certain countries around the world.
“Only a few countries, including several in Latin America, China and Russia, have challenged the U.S., have realized that America is no longer in a position of strength as it did before with the rest of the world, and that the rest of the countries do not have to obey their demands as if it were an imperial order,” Greenwald said.
Of course, resolving the Snowden "situation" does not have to be terminal: the 30 year old would likely survive some 40-50 years in maximum security penitentiary if preserving his life was of tantamount importance: something the US legal system, responsible for such smash hits as Eric Holder, would have no problem with.
Still, the consistent critic of U.S. intelligence policies also said that Snowden’s position was dicey, and that the leaker needed to stay out of U.S. custody – given how “extremely vindictive” American officials have proven.
The American judicial system, Greenwald said, "cannot be trusted when it comes to people accused of endangering the national security. The judges do everything they can to secure convictions in these cases."
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The full interview with a rough English translation as recommended by Greenwald himself, is below:
"Snowden has enough information to cause more damage to the U.S. government in a minute alone than anyone else has ever had in the history of the United States," said the NATION Greenwald, 46, and since these latitudes write regularly on international security issues have made him famous, winner of several distinguished awards.
Today, the New Yorker, a former lawyer, is in the eye of the storm. Lawmakers in Washington want to put him on trial, spies of various countries seek Snowden secret information shared with him last month in Hong Kong and he still sent from Moscow through an encrypted email system. He knows he's being watched and that their conversations are monitored. They even steal the laptop from her boyfriend Rio, of your own home.
Three men wait in the lobby of the hotel Royal Tulip with credentials of a congress of osteoporosis which the custodian has no idea. Are they really doctors or are following Greenwald? Appearances are deceptive.
- Does Snowden's decision to stay in Russia while achieving come to Latin America?
-Yes, the most important thing is not to end in U.S. custody, which proved extremely vindictive government to punish those who reveal uncomfortable truths, and in whose judicial system can not be trusted when it comes to people accused of endangering the national security, the judges do everything they can to secure convictions in these cases. It would be immediately put in prison to cover the debate that helped generate, and end the rest of his days behind bars.
- Russia gives security guarantees?
-Not many countries in the world that have the ability and willingness to defy U.S. demands. But Russia is one of those countries and it has been good so far.
- Beyond the revelations about the spying system performance in general, what extra information has Snowden?
-Snowden has enough information to cause more damage to the U.S. government in a minute alone than anyone else has ever had in the history of the United States. But that's not his goal. Its objective is to expose software that people around the world use without knowing what they are exposing themselves without consciously agreeing to surrender their rights to privacy. It has a huge number of documents that would be very harmful to the U.S. government if they were made public.
- Are you afraid that someone will try to kill him?
It's a possibility, although I do not bring many benefits to anyone at this point. Already distributed thousands of documents and made sure that several people around the world have their entire file. If something were to happen, those documents would be made public. This is your insurance policy. The U.S. government should be on your knees every day praying that nothing happens to Snowden, because if something happens, all information will be revealed and that would be their worst nightmare.
- Can Latin America be a good shelter for Snowden?
-Only a few countries, including several in Latin America, China and Russia, have challenged the U.S., have realized that America is no longer in a position of strength as it did before with the rest of the world, and that the rest of the countries do not have to obey their demands as if it were an imperial order. In Latin America feels a natural sympathy for the United States, yet there is a great resentment for specific historical policies of Washington toward the region. What happened to the plane of Evo Morales in Europe caused a strong reaction, was treated as if Bolivia was a colony and not a sovereign state.
-From Snowden shared documents with you, there is much more information related to Latin America?
Yes For each country that has an advanced communications system, such as from Mexico to Argentina, there are documents that detail how the United States collects the traffic information, the programs that are used to capture the transmissions, the number of interceptions are performed per day, and more. One way to intercept communications is through a telephone corporation in the United States that has contracts with telecommunications companies in most Latin American countries. The important thing will be to see what the reaction of the various governments. I do not think that the governments of Mexico and Colombia do much about it. But maybe those of Argentina and Venezuela itself willing to take action.
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We're his leverage,
No way they can take out Snowball now,
The only people he needs to fear are those who would like to make it look like the CIA killed him,
I'm starting to wonder if he has accepted his own death and that the info will come out. He is simply trying to build his case in the public's eye before he does so his death is not just another page 14 story that people forget in a week.
He knew when he first exposed/confirmed it he would be a marked man for the rest of his life.
This is how martyrs and patriots are born...the only question now is how many will join him in mutually pledging to each other their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor.
once you phuck a head of State and piss off an entire Continent then obviously whatever meaningless information you had in the first becomes very meaningful indeed. i mean a million people have "super secret security clearances" like this guy? hahahahahaha. "what's the secret again"?
why ask why, try snowden dry.
Go get em Snowden. Take no prisoners.
Take no prisoners, take no shit! Megadeth has long been compromised but some of their orginal numbers are not. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL752-bVgLs
'Where's Waldo' used to be more fun.
you're too young to be useful, you can sell programs at the upcomming revolution.
If the US is engaged in such heinous acts that their release is its worst nightmare, Greenwald owes it to the citizens of the world to release it before the NSA terminates all the possible leakers.
What are they waiting for? An offer from the NSA they cannot refuse?
I am baffled by the logic (lack?) in this unfolding scenario ...
Snowden's stated position - as per Greenwald - is that he possesses info of an extremely bad nature for the govt. THEREFORE ...
1) Leave him the fuck alone for the next 50 years and we can all just kinda leave these past several weeks' activities to sorta settle down.
OR
2) Leave him the fuck alone for the next 50 years so he can disseminate what he wants/when he wants.
If anyone thinks this band of butchers, with a demonstrated history of slaughtering innocents, will pee their collective pants for the next several decades, they are nuts.
This doesn't make sense to me why Snowden seems to be seeking lifelong insurance in this affair that he has created.
Some info is as dangerous to release as a nuke.
You cannot undetonate.
Snowden has a deal with Putin to release no more information in return for his (temporary) amnesty in Russia while he figures out his next move/home.
Of course he will:
1- honor his agreement with Putin in return for his guest/temporary amnesty
and
2- hold his Ace cards in reserve
The guy is playing with fire for the 1st time in his life and playing it cautiously with many untrusteds/unknowns, and his life is at stake.
I think once he lands in SA somewhere, and he believes he's somewhat safe, more info will come out.
Patience lads.
He enjoys being putin's airport bi-atch.
This comment of yours (virgilcaine) isn't even worthy of a reply, but nonetheless, I will give one.
PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS; OR GO BACK TO TWITTER!
You are totally ignorant. You are a useless tweaker. YOU are a HEINOUS PRICK. SINCE you cannot even SPELL 'BEEE-AUTCH', you are also UNEDUCATED. GTFOOH, you SCHILL WANNABE! Hiding in Alexandria or Haifa, you post their playbook crap, and since you have as many as 20 'accounts', you are 'supposedly untraceable'. You denigrade the character of a person who is informing the ENTIRE WORLD about a situation that threatens all life on Earth, by intimating a SEXUAL ISSUE between two men. YOU are REALLY FUCKING SMART, you porn-star prick.
OOOOOOOH...FUCK!!!
Play your games, little man.
Your ILK is the MINORITY!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH_DkBI9Qsk
I call you out for what you are, (expletives deleted due to the fact tht you are the scum of humanity).
You get paid for this?
Clearly, yes. MScott has to be the fakest poster I have ever seen on ZH.
His list of popular culture items is especially pathetic. It is as if a 7th grader were told to find a set of movies and books that would give a rebel "cred." That's what MScott is using. Along with pathetically fake irony and outrage. A boring troll, no doubt wasting our tax dollars via his salary.
Gotta love fight club. Only here would it be so obvious. We can all tell each other to go fuck ourselves until the sun comes up, but we know when we're dealing with Agent Smith.
MScott is the strangest thing I've ever seen on ZH. I think .gov offshored their spying duty to India, because this guy sucks at it.
Yes, MScott is a new little weirdo, ain`t he?
i think the real Montgomery Scott would very much enjoy kicking the crap out of this guy. "I will now beam you into a vagina."
If the description of this documentary doesn't sound like the NSA and guantanimo, I don't know what does.
Cloaked away in cellars and top floors were the listening rooms filled with, what at that time was cutting edge, recording equipment. German prisoners of war were brought to the UK and interrogated. If they were suspicious of having important intelligence the prisoners were then sent to bugged locations where listeners were ready and waiting for them to start talking.
Bugging Hitler’s Soldiers-2013
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/bugging-hitlers-soldiers/
Oh gods, he is pulling a Wikileaks. Now let's see how much he can get the public to perker up before he fades into the background like Wikileaks. Even though, for what it's worth they are trying to get Assange.
If you knows what he gots, then drop that shit! He won't because he's shook, ain't no time for half way crooks.
http://youtu.be/0NUX4tW5pps
If he tells, then you know Bama will drag him down with him. Which makes the movie "William Wallace" (Braveheart) that much better, because he still didn't give a fuck. He had nothing to lose and everything to gain. Snowden still has something to lose hence his continued silence.
I'm still waiting for all that wikileaks shit that was going to bring down B of A.
I wonder if snowden is still plugged in
Doubt it, although that's an interesting question and one they're probably really concerned about.
What this country needs is a Jason Bourne.
Well, if he were, he aught to release any nsa gathered stuff on the congress critters that called him a traitor, gauge their opinion then
at this point in the game "why the hell not." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IPzpaD4UOE
"Already distributed thousands of documents and made sure that several people around the world have their entire file. If something were to happen, those documents would be made public."
Thousands of documents, very interesting... hope they don't reserve all of them as "insurance" as I'm sure they'd make for fascinating reading. Of course, this could easily be just a bluff.
CUE: much speculation about what is contained in Edward Snowden's encrypted files that will do so much damage to the US Government.
God, I'd like to know..........................
I'm guessing 911.
I hope it includes 9-11 truth.
No guess here.
My first thought, last night, after reading the article (posted somewhere else, before this website picked it up) was EXACTLY that.
If they arrest him, they're gonna have him CRUCIFIED. History replays, as always.
A 'Secret Court' will have a 'Secret Rendition' order issued, and 'In Secret', they will take him to a place, perhaps in Belarus, where they will 'Extract Information' from him, before he DIES, HORRIBLY.
Meanwhile, the plebes in 'merikuh will tune in to FAUX, to catch the latest 'STUPIFICATION BOWL' scores, safely kept safe by the TSA and the DHS. Of course, a 'select few' will have their vaginas and anuses fingered, in the name of 'SECURITY', but most will thank their god of govenment that 'merikuh' is 'safe, once again', and discount any torture done 'in their name'. blissfully ignorant of their guilt, and accepting the 'official story' as told by HANNITY about the HERO BUSH and 9/11, propogated by Obama and HIS people.
The Sparks Of the tempest rage, one hundred years on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnijc9wNpV4
I'm guessing...
You know why your trolling is subpar?
It lacks bitch. Venom. Vitriol. You can't fake it. It's just so fucking vanallia.
Your attempts to infil, insert and ingratiate are so obvious.
LOOK AT ME...LOOK AT ME...LOOK AT ME
It's like you filled in an mad lib, but just used a list of buzzwords, in CAPS, mined from your yrs of dormant slumber, to populate it with. You have no attachment to those words. No link....at all. Like an algo.
It's really hard to explain and it's not my job to tell you your job. I'll just say you are doing it poorly.
We can smell our own. Everyone here has a certain signature, it flows through posts.. You don't. You...exude troll. More than any of your other gov buddies here. Is it like a freebie summer internship?
Yours is just so obvious.
Ooooooooh WOW!
That would be potentially explosive, domestically and internationally.
Here it is:
The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism
by Emmanuel Goldstein
http://www.scribd.com/document_downloads/20459394?extension=pdf&from=emb...
No way! That's actually a full reading!?
Interview With A Zombie:
'HMMM. BOOK!'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrcM5exDxcc
Thanks, that looks like fascinating reading.......
"God, I'd like to know..."
I have a copy (See Ebay; key words: Rumsfeld, Cheney, Greenspan, Sodomy, Threesome, Barry's alias, Operation Half-breed, Kenya60, Blankfein, sexual reassignment, Dimon, breast removal)
...too funny :-)
There's also the very real issue of "timing".
If Snowden still has some explosive revelations about massive issues (eg 9/11), they will lose impact if he holds onto them for a long time, as insurance.
Delay is a tactic very well known by TPTB to get subjects off the news agenda and washed away. UK governments use delay extensively for this purpose. And this is why they seal a lot of documents for up to 70 years.
EG: if in ~2020 somebody produced evidence that Princess Di's Mercedes was actually the subject of an MI6 "Boston Brakes" murder, it would not have the impact necessary to bring down any government.
I'm thinking Snowden has to reveal explosive stuff within one year for maximum impact.
My hero, even if I am being swindled.
Release it.
PLEASE!
I love the USA, which is why I despise what the US government has become.
And then the "insurance policies" are released and nothing happens cause no one REALLY cares. The end.
"cause no one REALLY cares"
Not "no one," just "too few."
No one in the Establishment, and too few ordinary people.
Well enough. Most know their place, and know they're dead if they step out of line. Being free is just not a priority. It was aristocratic arrogance to presume otherwise during the Enlightenment.
Winston,
Let's narrow this down a little.
Edward Snowden stood up. HE cared. He cares about you, and about me, and as such, he is revered in MY eyes.
I CARE. I CARE about YOU, and everyone else on this planet who are awakened, or who COULD be awakened.
YOU care. Obviously, you care, because you take the time to post comments on Zero Hedge'.
The TYLERS care, due to the fact that they not only post this information, but allow YOU and ME to POST comments regarding the REAL news.
Anyone who posts here cares, in either more or lesser ways.
SIX BILLION PLUS PEOPLE have a stake in what is about to happen, or IS happening. Wether or not they 'care' is not a salient subject for debate. Perhaps they simply DO NOT KNOW about what is happening. It is OUR job to EDUCATE them; DESPITE the insurmountable 'bad news' that assails us ALL.
YOU ARE NOT ALONE, Winston Smith. KNOW THIS.
For what it's worth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUHFfR8hWcA
Fuck you, you boring fake troll, MScott.
Fake troll. Wow. Not a real troll.
Troll = Fake poster trying to get a rise out of us.
Fake Troll = ??
Double negation, thus it is a real poster?
So fake, we can't even believe it is a troll, thus it is something else?
My mind can't bend around it.
A true "WTF?" And yet this gives way too much credit to too little.
Thus boring works well here.
Beta automation troll also
Wow.
What cave did you crawl out of?
You know, I've met guys like you here and there- I don't know that you are a troll, when it comes right down to it. You might even mean well, but you're stuck in a time that is 30-40 years old, and feeling like you're tuned in. What's next, are you going to offer to post pics of your silver art bars embellished with tasteful nudes, and then offer everyone a taste of your sophisticated yet sinful home-brewed wine and/or absinthe before "partaking" in some "holy sacrament" weed?
If that's the case, and you're not a troll, the best move here is to sit down, shut up, put on your seatbelt and listen hard for a solid year or two. If you are a troll, your career is already over here, and this is the first time I've ever seen you post.
Ex head of NSA; "the public will just have to trust us". As if, you dirty big fuck... why don’t you trust us more to the point? The danger in all of this is when and if the storm blows over. As soon as these demented animals start to comprehend what they can get away with when considering public stupidity, when they realise that public anger and a global press frenzy can be managed with a just a few chosen lines of obfuscation and spin on the right networks, its Orwell time.
That’s why i worry about public forums where people can vent their anger; usually public anger should be left to simmer and boil, that’s the best way, that’s when its at its most cutting. These days, things have took a much more sinister turn. Its the classic tactic of the corporate's, they all say "we welcome public debate", when what they really welcome is the chance to control debate...what they really welcome is fucking up the public debate so much so, that no one actually cares about the matter any more. Beware of corporate’s welcoming debate! This is the danger, you have a load of PR doormats applying their methods and not seeing the wood for the trees.
And of course they can get away with it, as i have always said, the media is riddled with these doormats from all corners of the establishment, from intelligence to politics. It always has been. They'll take more and more, until the only way out for us is to be insanely brutal.
so apparently will the Supreme Court, the President, yo mama...i mean who aren't these guy's bugging "in the name of national comaderie and happy, happy, joy, joy"?
And given that EVERY politician in D.C. is dirty, as well as their owners on Wall Street--goes without saying--I wonder just how many layers the Snowden onion has; i.e., did he collect individual dirt on such stellar supporters of the Constitution like Obama and Holder? And, of course, that--having that specific dirt--couldn't be a public bargaining point, for all the obvious reasons. But I'm betting some of the inner layers of this onion could end the political lives of quite a few of the greatest threats to freedom--if not end THEM...
Russia is safer than america, unless you're gay or muslim...long live russia. P.S. starve the beast that used to be free...
But have you seen those Youtube Russian driver compilations? Like living in a war zone...
in nyc, the homeless lunge into the street hoping to be hit, cause the driver's at fault, give me the land of pravda...God i do miss America...hah, i've done her many times.
mofreedom, it looks like you do not know much about Vladimir Putin. The Man Without a Face, Masha Gessen (2012) will open your eyes, Putin is bad.
DC,
seems lots of folks here accpeted Putin as the good guy ...
I suppose anyone is good if he/she opposes the telepromter?
He put on a show showing disdain when next to O...a good actor !
Vladimir-ed.
Off topic but interesting aside to the Boston Marathon bombing. See article for twitter pic.
http://commonsenseconspiracy.com/2013/07/saudi-national-suspect-in-bosto...
Remember our report about after the Boston Marathon Bombings, Michelle Obama visited a Saudi national in the hospital who was originally fingered as a “person of interest” in the aftermath of the attacks? Well, a lot of people were intrigued by our First Lady visiting Abdul Rahman Ali Aharbi, and the conspiracy theories were blazing. We took a somewhat critical approach to that at first. After all, the First Lady didn’t visit this guy specifically. She was visiting victims in the hospital, and this guy was one of them at the time. Whether or not she knew his status as a suspect or just was being supportive of everyone that she could is something we couldn’t possibly uncover. However, this latest news does make us wonder if we might have did the wrong thing when we at least halfway defended her.
It is now being passed around the Internet that Aharbi has been spotted at the White House during their July 4th party for military heroes and their families. The source of a lot of this is actually from Arabic sites. It seems that they are as put off by the idea of this fellow turning up at the White House as we are. Anyway, what do you think? We’ve posted a photograph below from the White House party and then the picture of Aharbi from the hospital. Do you think these are one and the same? And what possible reason could Aharbi have for turning up in close proximity to the First Lady and our President once again?
This is the same kid who flagged as terrorist in the Homeland Security databases and the designation was removed right after Michelle visited him in the hospital that morning.
By not putting Ron Paul in the White House, the TPTB signed its own death certificate. Twice (2008 and 2012) they were offered a somewhat easy way out, and twice they refused.
Now the gloves are off and Snowden is in charge.
Popcorn and beverages for the week ahead FiSHeS. Drunk Goldman banksters KO'd on the sidewalk is just the pre show.
You optimistic thing you. Don't lead me on.
Please ignore me, I'm drunk, smashed, totally looped. I babble incoherently.... : - /
The US government should be on its knees every day? This US government thinks it is the Higher Power on earth. However God, that is to say the same Creator from whom our unalienable rights come from, is not mocked. When God has His say, it will not be pleasant.
I say fuck it, release the information. Inquiring minds want to know.
It's related to HAARP.
and the "hijack" can only be undone one way.
The threat of damaging releases is solely intended to keep would be assassins at bay. I doubt Snowden has anything that is more than just extremely embarassing.
The bigger problem is that the bulk of the US citizenry remain ignorantly catatonic and therefore unable to regain control of their country and their individual futures.
It will be interesting to see how many Snowdens and Mannings it takes to reverse the moral decay of US governments.
Until then who knows how many packets of Doritos and cans of coke the US sheeple will consume.
Empire-Brain - TBTK: Too Big To Know; Too Big To Trust.
JFK was numero uno. We hardly knew you.
What about the alleged Israeli strike on July 5th on the Syrian port which challenges assad to make good on his promise to retaliate? What did putin tell netanyahu after the Israelis launched their last strike? Also why did put just call a massive snap drill in eastern Russia and just annouced he is expanding it? Last week large china and Russia joint naval manuevers took place. Recall the last time there were rumors about nato strikes inside Syria putin called black sea snap exercises.....
Putin extends the drills deploys Pacific fleet - moves aircraft
http://en.rian.ru/military_news/
“The total number of servicemen involved in the snap drills was up to 81,000 last night, the figure this morning was up to 160,000 servicemen,” Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said. The exercises also involve about 1,000 tanks and armored vehicles, 130 aircraft and 70 warships from the Pacific Fleet, Shoigu confirmed. These latter figures remain unchanged.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/07/13/israel-launched-strikes-near-key...
Russia exchanges list of syrian fighters whcih includes Russians and US citizens
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20130712/182203690/Russia-Syria-Exchange-Files-...
The U.S. Wants Snowden. Why Won't The World Cooperate?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2013/06/26/195850208/the-u-s-wants-mr...
Tess George • 17 days ago
I'd like to see a lot less stories about Mr. Snowden and a lot more about exactly what the US Government is doing in regard to spying on American citizens. I'd also like to know why so much of this kind of work is being contracted out to private companies. To me, this is a much more important story, and the reason that Snowden took the action he did - to generate debate about the policies and actions of our government. Rather than empty assurances that everything is legal, or that it's all classified information, I think that we deserve honest information on this issue.
The back story is this.
EVERY SINGLE electronic transmission is captured and stored. Every traffic camera's film is stored. Every single doctor discussion, business transaction thru every single electronic transmission is captured and stored on disc.
Background programs run endlessly, building cross referencing keys. Correlating and accumulating all information.
To the point where the Kremlin has just purchased typewriters for very important communication.
not only is this doable and being done but it has been doable and been done for a LONG time now. (probably more like decades actually.) what is different now is the predictive power of such "aggregations." in other words once i can discern saliency in human action there really is not limit to the efficacy of said program. this would include EVEN THE PROGRAM BEING KNOWN AND BEING DONE IN FULL VIEW OF THE PUBLIC. there is something to be said for all this stuff "coming to light" not being an accident...but in my view it has to do with just how good this thing is. "so good knowing about really doesn't matter." obviously it cannot ever be turned off...nor will it be. "this is you REAL committee to save the world."
"“Only a few countries, including several in Latin America, China and Russia, have challenged the U.S., have realized that America is no longer in a position of strength as it did before with the rest of the world, and that the rest of the countries do not have to obey their demands as if it were an imperial order,” Greenwald said."
I think we touched upon this earlier today.
As long as he's free, his life is worth something.
As soon as the Documents are released his life is worthless.
I just hope, these documents have signatures on them, if they do that makes them priceless. This guy is being treated like a bigger threat to the White House than Al-Queda, OBL, Saddam, Kadhafi combined, which is Odd because he has no WMD, Bombs, Missiles only Information. I'm surprised they haven't launched an all out no holds barred attach on anything that remotely looks like a Snowden, he is that dangerous.
He's armed with a stack of Documents, and he's prepared to use them.
"Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war".
Few men, grasshopper, have ever been given the chance to change the history of the world. If you are real, do it!
Snowden is still doing the CIA's dirty work .If you beleive he was able to get away and stay alive with 4 computers full of America's dirty secrets and isn't still a CIA asset , well, i have some land in florida to sell you .Give me a fucking break with this fairy tale .
It's a mistake to think they are invulnerable. They aren't.
The Powers have limits, they make mistakes, and they have factions that are opposed to each other.
Clear evidence of this in recent events. Spying on journalists -- and murdering them -- is not a sign of effortless strength. It's a sign of desperation.
They grip harder when they feel eveything slipping.
All of the weasels are getting lazier and sloppier.
That's one (self-deceptive) way of looking at it...
You are mistaken.
The ownership power leveraged over every politician using the NSA's spying is all bust if all that material, and the way it was collected, is revealed.
That means every blackmail is open and every technique is open, meaning you can't use secret leverage over existing assets hoping for votes instead of jail AND you can't summon NEW assets because anyone with something to hide that they now know can not be hidden will REFUSE TO STEP UP to be a pawn.
You're an idiot. Look at what "candy" is: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2010646/cotton-candy-linux-pc-on-a-stick-...
4 computers could fit IN YOUR WALLET with your change.
NSA doesn't give a phuck about what he has released already, domestic spying, although supposedly illegal had been going on for a long time. TIA....remember that? NSA is just a bit miffed now because EVERY congressman, EVERY governor, Every Senator ALL their Aides etc ALL of them have a shit load of dirt stuck to them, and NSA hoovered it all up to be used at a later date. What's that other whistle blowers name, also from NSA? The first one? his area of expertise was with satellites. He had documents and dirt on some unknown chump who was running for Senator. Oh yea, the chump is now our POTUS. The papers were on his desk. He was interviewed by RT.
This is kinda funny, everyone now has a dossier.
http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/your-life-is-now-classified-ns...
one intelligence goal could in fact be to make the entire program public. i've been surprised by the reactions but the folks calling out Snowden actually. prima facie the NSA and CIA are in fact not hiding anything. in that sense i would be very wary about speaking out against those who are speaking out. clearly Edward Snowden has nothing to hide. there isn't a State on the planet that doesn't have an intelligence Agency. are you telling me they don't know what the NSA or CIA are up to with this stuff?
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/04/27/ethiopian-airlines-dreamliner-fl...
From April...
An official with Ethiopian Airlines says one of the company's Dreamliners is scheduled to fly from Ethiopia to Kenya's capital, the first commercial flight since air safety authorities grounded the passenger jets after incidents with smoldering batteries on two different planes in January.
Now if we could only ground the kenyan that is smouldering in our capital.
I think the problem is not that he is a Kenyan but that he is a Keynesian.
Make it COUNT son.
OK, I found it, here we go. enjoy.
http://www.ascensionwithearth.com/2013/07/interview-with-nsa-whistleblow...
I am thinking of developing a "spook" virus. Any communications intercepted by other than the intended recipient will activate the virus and cause havoc, including hardware failures.
If this works, it will protect Fourth Ammendment rights and hopefully screw up that Utah data center and any other entity that attempts to take information that is clearly not theirs to take.
If they are truly concerned about National Security, they had better stop this data collection before it is too late and their snooping captures a virus they cannot control.
They probably have Norton or McAfee to protect their stuff.
actually there is an app called "Little Snitch" for Mac and maybe Windows that lets you know when something on your computer tries to "phone home" you get the option of stopping or allowing said process
I prefered the other app called 'install Linux' and that means no more mac-virus or windows-virus.
Nice thought by any clear-text segments which are clearly non-executable can be filtered out so that nothing happens - it's pure data, never is used as a script or program, and for that matter, anything handled is not executable even IF someone tried to do so. This can be performed at the server level as email is incoming & similar measures for just about anything out there, be it computer or phone.
It certainly would fail incoming to my computer: email is not executed, it's always used code-free as raw text. Nothing you can do on your end to cause that to change on my end.
been followin greenwald (and floyd and silber) from the early days...
my hunch is glenn g is trying to bluff some protection for snowden...
Hmm
Maybe the back story on the Dancing Israelis filming live action WTC as a post-op documentary for "Agency Records"
Maybe telling us why McVeigh was like Lee Harvey.
Maybe what the name Thane Cesar and the initials RFK have in common and why
Maybe the customer list of the 'Off'ed" DC Madam
Maybe details of how the Red Shield et al actually control things.
Maybe the back stories on Newtown, Colorado Theaters, and Marathons....
Maybe something mundane like birth certificates
Maybe..... So so many things.
<< Google the terms, words, and names you don't know>>
Yeah ... stuff like that might show how much of this Snowden narrative is the real deal ... ya think?
with this logic, anyone who wants to take this whole clusterfuck down, is now MORE dangerous than the CIA or any of their alphabet cousins....that is why i would never play this game
Stay Safe Snowden, even if it means i never see the info
Release it and die my ancestors from the 12th century would say. Our old family motto is "Better dead than a slave." They were so revered that the fucking Nazis held an annual celebration in honor of them.
Better Dead Than Slave. Bitchez.
Be revered Ed Snowden.
Anyhow, too bad that Breitbart, Marshall and Hastings weren't technically capable to have provided the same protection for themselves.
That would make a great open source project. Something like maybe, "P2P protection from assassination info release project"
BREAKING: DRUDGE: Z-MAN NOT GUILTY
Perhaps you should crank up the introspection, and wonder why Snowden has been showered with more attention in the last two months than a defunct Congress has in the last two decades.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjaAtmp7anI
Lawrence O'Donnell Awkward interview with friend of ES
This is the kind of attention he has been showered with. Discrediting him is the goal. Rather, having a presidential flight diverted to find ES is far beyond the Hollywood stage. Nations are removing diplomats. Was that a goal? High profile individuals should surely be concerned. Blackmail. What could bring the US govt to its knees? Correspondence discussing the overthrow of a govt perhaps. The conversations and discussions available could solve every crime on earth, and ruin many people's facade, cost jobs, ruin marriages, result in actual convictions of crimes-gotten-away-with.
re:Zman not guilty. I'm gonna enjoy this shit show. Grab me some popcorn and beer.
The black panthers should be on their knees praying that nothing happens to Zimmerman.
Headlines from the future....
Rand pardons Snowden and appoints him to Secretary of State.
Attorney General Andrew Napolitano discusses the upcoming NSA tribunals.
Fed Chairman Ron Paul discusses the dismantling of the Federal Reserve.
Disgraced and exiled politicians Barrack Obama and Hilary Clinton refuse comment from their guarded, undisclosed location.
Gee Wally,
You mean those countries whose stock "markets" are not wired into THe US Federal Algopump have no fear?
By chance is this the same future where Superman marries Lois Lane AND Wonderwoman and they're both "cool with it" ?
The best argument I have seen so far that Snowden is a CIA asset, and what is going on is a funding and power war between the NSA and CIA, is made by John Rapaport at the following link.
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2013/07/RIR-130712.php
Only the first hour of the interview is open to non-subscribers, but it is the first hour where he makes most of the case regarding Snowden and the CIA psy-ops.
I think certain "assets" WANT us all to think that Snowden and Assage are CIA "assets" thus destroying their credibility
From the 7/12/13 article by the Golden Jackass, the all-knowing Dr. Jim Willie:
"The young man Snowden operates as the front man stage hand in a global chess game of espionage, terrorism, embassy abuse, financial subterfuge, financial shenanigans, and much more to come. He is a kid, not a big player. He is put forward as a pawn chess piece, with heavyweight supporters. The key is knowing that 50 back doors remain open, available, with regular passage in the next few months in the vast US security databases. What will be revealed is a cornucopia of vile slimy vicious American and British directives, movements, attacks, and projects that can no longer be kept hidden behind the curtains. A vast conflict has emerged in the United States between psychopathic bad spooks and good security professionals, simply put. The lid is off. The fur will fly. The US & UK will be on the extreme defensive for nasty revealed deeds for some time to come, as stories are pried out and leaked on a systematic basis. The presentation of Snowden as a key veteran knowledgeable player is highly amusing. He is a kid whose career resume is almost as sketchy as the leader of the US land."
I think that nails it right there. For a whole host of reasons, Ed Snowden simply could NOT accomplish what he has by his lonesome. Upstream sanction HAD to be involved. Simultaneously, the info put is demonstrably damaging to many govt. interests. (BTW, lottsa people exiting the DC scene these past few weeks, no?). For years, NSA guys like Tice and Binney have been trying to get the word out to little avail.
A big concern to me is that this is very heavyweight stuff that is far from concluded ... with no guarantee the "good guys" will prevail.
The "big secret" is simply this:
The NSA rigs US elections.
Why would they need to do that when your owners bought and paid for both sides and decide the agenda?
I think you're missing the point. That's HOW they bought the elections. You're focusing on who did the BUYING as important rather than who was PAID FOR which is the NSA. It's cheaper to blackmail them using espionage than to make blind money offers - after all, you can't cap the bribe limit if you don't have leverage. If you have NSA material you have leverage. Now you need only balance the bribery between "opposing parties" while keeping a solid cap on what they can ask for, vs what the politicians will do on command.
although snowden is most likely a pawn, he is telling the truth even while concealing much. he should share the whole thing now so that the world can see how criminal is the usa's ruling oligarchy. anyone who votes democrat or republican is a card carrying nazi.
Hey Florida, Heads-up!
Al Sharpcon says he is coming within range. Keep your powder dry. Sight your rifles in at 300 yards and saw - off your 12 guage.
It is your opportunity to correct an oversight made by Planned Parenthood some years ago. Clean the air. Save oxygen. Exterminate the race-baiter.
FYI: Watch for the commie Jessup Jackmouth to come your way soon. He can't let another progressive jihadist take credit for the next feral black rioting.
You can also expect Obowel Movement and Holder The Horrible to send an army of lawyers your way to try to fabricate a federal case against George Zimmerman for having the temerity to fight back and kill the feral black thug who was beating the hell out of him.
Finally Al has found another tawana Brawley. Sharpton has no credibility -I do look forward to hearing what Louis Farrakhan has to say on the matter. He is clearly not fooled by zionist divide and conquer racist practices of the elites and their whore media - I'm not sure if he will rise above the bullshit and say what is right here -I beleive he will take a reasonable stand. we'll see.
Does Al have some type of "red phone" to "preachers" in order to mobilize them in on a moments notice. Or perhaps it's some type of "Bat Signal" that he shines up in the sky and it's off to the "bat cave" for planning.
The CIA is watching and listening to Ed right now.
Magal Security Systems can do the job that needs to be done.
Ed should apply for asylum to Siberia.
If any of Ed's info affects the Moxxad and their bosses, neither Snowden nor Greenwald will release it.
You can be sure that they already had a "Come to Moses" meeting with Greenwald. No offense -- just realistic.
Again, you stole money from the Russian Oligarchs in Cyprus. This will be a cold dish of revenge for DAMN sure!
So what's keeping Greenwald alive?? is this a killswitch on all the people that may have this info?
We have a neighbor who disapproves of Snowdon. He thinks that he should have taken the information to a sympathetic congressman, LOL. He thinks he is a confused young man. Of course, this neighbor thinks that any and all amount of surveillance of citizens by the government is fine, if it "saves a single life from terrorism." Naturally he is in favor of the legality of late term abortion; after all, the consitutional right to privacy is important(!)
Anyway, where he and I actually agree: In some countries, e.g. England, you might be able to have a small, efficient, intelligence program, run on a budget, by people with love of country, who are committed to secrecy. Something along the lines of Enigma. Here in the U.S., we have an enormous, bloated, incompetent, corrupt, wasteful, costly spying program run by imbeciles, that can't keep some mid level dweeb from walking out with the jewels of the realm.
Really, if the NSA is this incompetent, I presume that our enemies already have any info that they want from us.
Of course, we are also the cretins who buy stuff that our military uses, from China.
There are only a handful of Congressmen you could trust with such information, and even with those who can be trusted, it would be useless. The media would not print it , it would be marginalized, discredited and the congreman whistleblower would end up in jail like Jim Trafficante -or dead. Congres has no power - 95% are bought and sold - those who aren't are powerless to do their jobs right. Thats reality. If you think otherwise, you are naive and foolish.
That's what I told him. He doesn't believe me. He really believes that the congressman would do the right thing. Naive, I guess.
BTW, I should clarify: I don't WANT the U.S. to have some small, efficient and competent system for spying on our citizens. I don't want us to have *any* spying on citizens. But even if it were a good thing (it's not), what a country like the U.S. ends up with is a bloated POS system like the NSA. Also to clarify, I admire Snowden. He is a *heroic* mid-level dweeb.
funny how the "intelligence" agencies have to operate outside the law to "protect" people in this country? the base preise is that you have to act and use the same resources available to criminals here and overseas.
bourne and 007 break any law in any country that they see fit in order to get the bad guys. what we don't see in the "hollywood" intelligence communityportrayals is the impact on families and communities over subsequent years and decades of the "instant gratification" of superspies, that is, collateral damage on neighborhood psyches.
i use novels by john le carre or robert ludlum to get somewhat more of a balanced perspective when cussler or clancy get too much.
Excuse me,Is not the American government already on its knees praying the bankers let them live ?
Bankers are parasites, they have no interest in killing the host, what they want is to suck it's blood in perpetuity.
parasites are not symbiotic - they have nothing in their means for self-preservation including host-preservation.
Fraud is symbiotic. A fraudulent layer to a system, or parts, knows inherently it can't exist without LEGITIMATE commerce. It can only live in the shadows so something legitimate MUST cast that shadow.
Banksters are tyrants and robbers, not mere fraudsters - they have no symbiosis.
It is quite peculiar that a lot of folks here don't realize that Snowden just like Assange is an intel asset. Releasing biased worthless junk intel to gain credibility with the "think different" anti authority crowd who are incapable of the elementary critical thought just like the rest of the sheep they like to criticize so much. Follow the leader.
hmmm perhaps you are a CIA mole out to discredit S&A
That would imply that these characters had credit in the first place. Could you please point me to a peace of information that this clowns have released that wasn't public knowledge?
if he is considered an "asset" why would they give him useless information? "and now it's a matter of State policy." i would consider that well played indeed if this being an intel operation from the get go is indeed the case..."and Edward Snowden is none the worse for it."
What you are saying is out there on the internet- Veterans Today says the same -but though I read them, and like most of their columnists (including most of what Duff says) I do not trust them - Gordon Duff's support of the Libyan invastion and killing of Gadaffhi is something which will laways kead me to believe he is a CIA asset responsible for disinformation.
probably 75% of Classified National Sekurity labeled items are to cover up graft corruption mistakes and other shady stuff. Snowden and Assange are National Heroes. F*ck you Nancy Pelosi et al...
mistakes? or discoveries? or politicians who are now sleepers for "intelligence" agencies?
Too many secrets...
I think the evidence is clear. I use a little bit different metric than the average dullard on this site. I stick with the obvious, right under your nose. Since we all know the MSN is totally co-opted, then their obvious interest in keeping Snowden's name in the news would tell you it is in the controllers interest. If they perceived his knowledge as a threat, he would be out of the news completely until he could be eliminated. We are dealing with rabbit holes, so question everything you know and how you know it.
i am waiting for the "deep throat" at a security agency to detail which members of the 435 + 100 + 1 (+7 supreme court justices?) are co-opted so are being manipulated by "intelligence" agencies.
high treason ! punishable by ...
In the interest of time and brevity, let's go with the list of those that aren't.
Made my day with that one Uncle!
MSM would be amiss if they were not reporting on a story that RT TV and the internet were focused entirely on. However, I have noticed Comcast has removed RT TV from the lineup. On check, it has happened in Colorado, broadcasting 11 AM to 3 PM only. I am still searching the internet to see where this has been happening. July 5 was when Calif's Comcast removed it. Same as Colorado's RTTV time slot being shrunken to 4 hours (in the middle of the day).
He said, he greatest fear was "everything would stay the same, that nothing would happen." Well, I think he is sincere personally. He was described as a deep thinker. He spoke of his revulsion to the tactics being applied as far back as 2007. Letting the world know everything they've ever said or typed through telecommunications is now in the hands of authorities is earth shattering news. Having us find out this way, so LE can produce the information when we are stopped for sliding through a right-on-red is doubtful. This is to determine who exactly we are, where we have been so they will decide where we should go.
I think I've clearly addressed this last week.
The MSM loses all credibility if Greenwald & a few other "blogs" run the story. People tune out for good.
The MSM can't afford that. They must keep eyes on their propaganda which means they must mention Snowden regularly just not AS regularly, or fervently, except as a "traitor", compared to Greenwald.
The instant Greenwald is made silent the MSM will move on too.
That bodes poorly for the continued health of Hastings (cough, cough) I mean Greenwald.
So who gets to play Edward Snowden in the movie? Toby Maguire? Johnny Depp? And when they make the movie, they have to find a major part for Dan Hedaya.