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Latin American Countries Recall Ambassadors From Spain, France, Italy And Portugal Over Snowden "Neo-Colonial" Flap

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The global fallout from the Snowden affair continues to reverberate following the latest news that four Latin American countries - Brazil, Argentina, Urugay and Venezuela - announced on Friday they would recall their ambassadors from the countries that blocked their airspace to Bolivia's Evo Morales following false rumors he was carrying Snowden, forcing an emergency landing in Austria. The four countries said this incident violated international law. As a result of Obama's "neo-colonial" practices in Europe, as Uruguay's foreign minister Luis Almagro denounces Europe's servile compliance with pax AmericaNSA, the Mercosur ambassadors in Spain, France, Italy and Portugal will be pulled back for consultations.

The decision to take this stance was made during a summit of the Mercosur trade bloc.

"We emphatically reject the interception of telecommunications and espionage actions in our nations, as they constitute a violation of human rights, of the right of our citizens to privacy and information,'' Mercosur leaders said in the summit's final statement.

 

"It's unacceptable behaviour that breaches our sovereignty and harms relations between nations."

 

The South American group also defended the right of asylum after Venezuela, Bolivia and Nicaragua recently offered it to Snowden.

Curiously, the post-Snowden schism continues to split the world in pro-US/China demarcation lines: Latin America, far more reliant on Chinese import markets for its growth has denounced the NSA spying scandal, and Snowden's treatment far more vocally than the failing Eurozone, which is vastly more reliant on the Fed's monetary generosity to preserve its cohesiveness. It is not surprising, thus, that while French president Hollande logged a statement of protest, one which resulted in Le Monde exposing precisely the same spying set up in France, Europe has largely taken the Snowden disclosures quietly. It knows that if it rocks the boat too much, then the Fed/Goldman/US-backed support for Europe just may slip away.

Latin America, on the other hand, being far more reliant on Chinese goodwill, has had little trouble denouncing the NSA scandal, as well as offering Snowden the asylum he has requested, unlike European countries, including Iceland, all of which have rejected the NSA-whisteblower's plea.

If nothing else, Snowden's disclosures over a month ago, have cemented the new bipolar world: one in which an American empire in decline is critical to a European continent on the edge of collapse both of which depend exclusively on the Fed's perpetuation of a reserve currency fiat myth, offset by a block comprising of China, Russia and Latin America.

More on Friday's Mercosur announcement from Al Jazeera:

Uruguayan Foreign Minister Luis Almagro said the four Mercosur trace bloc nations will recall their own ambassadors in the European countries involved for consultations over the incident.

 

The actions of the four European countries were "unfounded, discriminatory and arbitrary, in a flagrant violation of the precepts of international law," Almagro said.

 

He said the summit found that Morales was subjected to "neo-colonial practices."

 

"It is an incredible, unfriendly and hostile action that violates human rights and affects the freedom of transit and movement and the immunity that every head of state enjoys," Mercosur leaders concluded, according to Almagro.

 

Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff said that the European actions were offensive to each of the leaders at the summit as Latin American presidents, and vowed "concrete and effective actions, be it with regard to the governments or the ambassadors of those countries."

 

Rousseff noted media reports based on US National Security Agency (NSA) documents leaked by Snowden that the United States spied on many countries around the world including Mercosur members Brazil, Argentina and Venezuela.

And from the BBC:

In a statement, Mercosur said: "We repudiate any action aimed at undermining the authority of countries to grant and fully implement the right of asylum."

 

It called for "solidarity with the governments of Bolivia, Nicaragua and Venezuela, which have offered to grant asylum to Mr Edward Snowden".

 

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro said Mercosur would also demand "explanations and public apologies" from France, Italy, Spain and Portugal over the plane forced landing.

 

Bolivia, which is an associate member of Mercosur, summoned the ambassadors of the four European countries last week over the diversion of the plane, which it called an act of aggression.

Of course, if Bolivia's Evo Morales, president of the world's third largest producer of cocaine after Colombia and Peru, wanted to hurt those who make the real decisions, i.e., Wall Street, then he should just burn down all domestic coca plants and crush cocaine production for the next 6-12 months. Right after he nationalizes all remaining foreign mines in his country of course (the San Cristobal mine owned by Sumitomo is the third largest in the world with ~20MM oz/year, followed closely by Peru's Antamina mine) .

Only then would one see real "developed world" panic.

 


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Sat, 07/13/2013 - 12:43 | Link to Comment QQQBall
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Did the Euros even notice? Good move just the same. 

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 12:58 | Link to Comment Spider
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Good for them! 

Sad that the European countries are now slaves and Latin America is now free - what a turn of events...

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:18 | Link to Comment Kiss My Iceland...
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Europe is a pathetic sh*t-show. SMH.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:49 | Link to Comment flacon
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If there was even one politician with BALLS they would immediately expell all diplomats from said Euro-Zone countries and sever all international trade with said countries including and especially with the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 19:30 | Link to Comment jbvtme
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snowden? zimmerman? the real action is egypt and syria.  balfour lives

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 19:43 | Link to Comment I am on to you
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He sure does:James B and Walter R,the bonmates!

And"Ronnie Biggs " loved Rio?

ITT,loved Brazil so much,they made a coup,remember that Lyndon,Harrold Geneen,John McCone!

And so spins the eternal spywheell,in the ongoing dusty clouds!

 

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 16:23 | Link to Comment monoloco
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I'd like to see what happens the first time Bolivia orders Airforce I to land in La Paz for inspection. If one country has the right to order the plane of a head of state, with diplomatic immunity, to land, then presumably all do. I applaud them pulling their diplomats for this breach of diplomatic protocol and they should immediately expel the EU and US ambassadors as well.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 19:38 | Link to Comment Taku
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I'd like to congratulate the US government with the Star Wars Imperial March

All hail, Emperor Obama.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 14:13 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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not quite. simplified, state ships and state planes can't be searched without diplomatic breach. the plane in Vienna was not searched, btw

but while blocking domestic waters or airspace to private ships/planes is a breach, too, the same does not apply to state vessels

so either "searchable" or "blockable", that's the choice international law's give

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 16:53 | Link to Comment Boondocker
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Been to a bunch of those shitholes.  All talk no cajones.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:19 | Link to Comment sgt_doom
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Welcome to the United Stasi of America:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2Yb3gWmm2I&feature=player_embedded

(around 60 seconds into the vid)

 

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:49 | Link to Comment suteibu
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Soft power™

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:44 | Link to Comment FreedomGuy
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You know, for me, I feel the world is turning on it's head. I am a libertarian and these leftist leaders are not my ilk. Yet, I find myself agreeing with them in principle. They are sovereign nations and Snowden is at the very worst an espionage or security breach of some sort. He is not the same as harboring some Al Qaeda terrorst who blew up a US building. If I was the legitimate leader of a country and blocked by other countries I wouid be furious...especially by my former colonial owners.

What bothers me is the U.S. attempts at collusion and a sort of world dominance through this type of thing. I can only imagine the levers the U.S. is pulling to get cooperation.

If Snowden was a classic Soviet spy or Israeli or Chinese spy what would we do? From history, not much. So, to me, this means Snowden is something very different. He does not seem to be giving intel that directly damages nationals security but damages the possibility of autocratic rule and a Big Brother international snooping on the part of the NSA.

I hope Snowden gets to publish a detailed account of what he knows about illegal domestic and even international spying. We can judge the veracity of it for ourselves. In the meantime, I hope he can find a safe place where he won't suddenly die of a spontaneous heart attack.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:18 | Link to Comment holgerdanske
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There are now warnings from a journalist on The Guardian, who knows the files and Snowden, that the US better not harm him, or some extremely damaging information will automatically be released.

I wonder if there is proof that 9/11 was a false flag or something even worse.

I can't say that I feel sorry for the US government. They deserve whatever they get.

 

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:15 | Link to Comment samsara
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I am a libertarian and these leftist leaders are not my ilk.

I hope someday that we can get past these definitions and false dichotomies. 

Forget the Left,  Right.  and the "I Am A xxxxx"  That's putting yourself in a box you didn't build.

Lets put forth opinions,  and agendas and lets look at each without definitions.   Do they make sense?  Are they poor choices?   

We are letting others define us and turning us into a Dr. Seuss ZAX.

THE ZAX  (Not of my ilk)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZmZzGxGpSs

 

We have to stop limiting ourselves and our thoughts by others classifications.

or as Dylan said

 

While some on principles baptized
To strict party platforms ties
Social clubs in drag disguise
Outsiders they can freely criticize
Tell nothing except who to idolize
And then say God Bless him.

It's alright ma, I'm only bleeding...

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:51 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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Too true! My least favorite word is "Ilk" the instant I read it, it degrades the person using it! Though I thought his post well formed other than that little glitch! The Left - Right thing is a made up way to keep average people fighting eachother, instead of the elite rulers robbing us blind and running a gathering police state that will rival Orwell's worst in "1984".

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 15:17 | Link to Comment FreedomGuy
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Look, I get the point you two are making. However, there is the necessity of language and words have to mean something. In any good research paper you may start with defintions. I think the left-right thing is very legitimate. However, the point is that they must be properly defined and it is is difficult when one side (the Left) has a large interest in blurring the distinctions.

As a Libertarian half of the classic left and half the classic Right loves us and the other half hates us.

It has been a long time since I read Orwell, but I think you misapply his point. His point is simply about pitting groups against each other for the benefit of the rulers who must have power to keep order and promise safety. That is not the same as proper language and discussion. In fact, does he not speak extensively to the misuse of language?

I like "ilk" as it was the only word that came to mind at the moment and makes the point! :0)

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 19:41 | Link to Comment prains
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You guys/girls are catching up welcome aboard

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 15:37 | Link to Comment Gordon_Gekko
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"FreedomGuy", you hit the nail on the head there my friend. Bingo.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 18:48 | Link to Comment Omen IV
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Obama has proven to be a real ego problem - he continuously tries to portray cool had Luke but is a maniac trampling on everyones rights - countries and individuals

this is not going to end well

 

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 19:16 | Link to Comment FreedomGuy
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Good analogy and I agree. However, he has no real character like Luke. He is an empty suit made of boilerplate rhetoric...which has been his empty life.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 08:25 | Link to Comment old naughty
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Right on! FreedomGuy.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 12:46 | Link to Comment malikai
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Hmm.. I wonder how this will affect Spain's Latin American Bailout®

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 12:47 | Link to Comment Gringo Viejo
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Good for them. I don't even recognize this fascist POS state as the country I grew up in. God bless America and her people. And FUCK her corrupt government.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 12:56 | Link to Comment f16hoser
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I Concur

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:05 | Link to Comment Gringo Viejo
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While I fully expect to be "disappeared" some night in the not too distant future, it's no great shakes because I've lived my life. But while I've still breath to speak, I'd urge all who are sitting on the fence, apprehensive of speaking out, to do so and do it loudly.
I can only paraphrase but it's been said about the resistance during WW11 that "those who remained silent disappeared en masse while those that resisted disappeared one by one". God bless all of you and your loved ones.

GV

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:36 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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+100

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:55 | Link to Comment Gringo Viejo
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@gmr...tyvm. "You can't conquer a free man. The most you can do is kill him"................Robert Heinlein I've lived a free man. I intend to die the same.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 19:17 | Link to Comment FreedomGuy
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Well said. Better to go down fighting.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:13 | Link to Comment Dr. Kenneth Noi...
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I would ordinarily find the idea of some government nationalizing private property abhorrent, but my hate of banksters and their governmental dogsbodies overwhelms that instinct entirely.

 

SEIZE THAT GOLD, BITCHEZ!!!

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:28 | Link to Comment sgt_doom
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I fundamentally disagree; it is the treason of the people which allowed this to happen, for the existence of the Corporate Fascist State to occur.

Everytime some douchebagger prattles on about how "we" must go to war, too many Ameritards are following their lead, incapable or refusing to think for themselves.

A real American citizen knows who Eugene Debs, Wright Patman and Philo Farnsworth were, along with Nicola Tesla (his birthday several days ago) and the McNamara brothers of the early 1900s.

They know of the Ludlow Massacre, and the Haymarket Massacre.

http://www.google.com/search?q=haymarket+riot&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=3IzhUcvlFaauiAK8zwE&ved=0CEAQsAQ&biw=1440&bih=735

 They are familiar with the following sites:

http://www.wallstreetonparade.com

http://www.privacysos.org/blog

http://www.nomiprins.com/thoughts

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog

http://neweconomicperspectives.org/

 

 

 

 

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 16:53 | Link to Comment smartstrike
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My sentiments exactly. Without any disrespect to anyone, "fuck the middle class and the horse she rode on." They have the same mentality like the bankers.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:33 | Link to Comment Kaiser Sousa
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hear that????????

its the ever increasing volume of the awakened world yealing -

"FUCK YOU AMERICA AND YOUR BANKER OWNED BITCH ASS MOTHER FUCKING GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:54 | Link to Comment PiratePawpaw
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There is an ever increasing difference between the people of "America", and the govt of "America".  The vast majority of Americans are decent hard working people who have no time or interest in bothering the rest of the world.

If someone nuked DC and maybe NYC or Hollywood, I doubt the rest of us would mind much. Not that Im advising or soliciting such, but they arent helping us any more than they are the rest of the world. And they do cost us rather alot, just sayin. :)

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:03 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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Don't forget Silicon Valley

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:29 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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Digital Douches

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:19 | Link to Comment Totentänzerlied
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"The vast majority of Americans are decent hard working people who have no time or interest in bothering the rest of the world."

Keep believing that tripe while they're cheering for your show-trial conviction and execution.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:45 | Link to Comment PiratePawpaw
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Its true here, but then again, I live in "fly over country", and we dont really matter to the important people.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 18:51 | Link to Comment Omen IV
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dont forget the Confederacy!

they need to be Nuked  - sex and abortions for everyone!

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 19:08 | Link to Comment autofixer
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This is an automated messsage.  Your post has been flagged and retained for further review.  Be well citizen.  Prism/Skynet.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 15:21 | Link to Comment FreedomGuy
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Gringo, it pains my heart, but I have to agree with you. It is fascist from the militarized cops giving you revenue tickets to the remote monitoring of red light cameras and the NSA. You need to report your entire life down to the socks donated to Goodwill to the IRS, state revenue services and register your whole life with them. Nothing is done without government persmission, from fishing to driving to marrying to opening a business.

Does anyone seriously feel good abou this?

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 12:48 | Link to Comment news printer
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OK but what about Austria;

after all Austrians did the strip search of Morales plane

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 12:51 | Link to Comment Tyler Durden
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Austria did not search Morales jet in Vienna - president

One airport officer did board the aircraft on Tuesday to find out why it had landed in Vienna reporting technical problems, but "there was no formal inspection", Austrian President Heinz Fischer told Kurier newspaper.

Fischer's comments, published on Sunday, appeared aimed at untangling contradictory accounts of how Bolivian President Evo Morales was treated as he flew home from a conference in Moscow last week.

"Someone from the airport staff sought out the aircraft or the pilot after landing to inquire about the nature of the technical problem," Fischer was quoted as saying.

"The Austrian official was advised that the defect was already fixed, and saw on this occasion that the plane was empty ... He did not look under the seats. There was no formal inspection, but no other people were found on board," Fischer added.

Pressed on whether that meant Austrians had not searched the plane, he said:

"There was no search in the forensic sense. There was also no reason to under international law. The plane of a president belongs to 'his territory' and cannot be searched readily."

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:09 | Link to Comment Element
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"The Austrian official was advised that the defector was already fixed ..."

 

fixed the defect

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:13 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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That is an absolutely blatant piece of public diplomacy bullshit. They landed because they had to refuel to complete the flight, being blocked from flying through certain countries airspace's only exacerbated the problem. There was no technical issues........ The noncritical thinking populace will buy the explanation hook, line, sinker since it sounds reasonable on the surface. This is why we are fucked and have these problems with our governments in the first place.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:23 | Link to Comment smacker
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I take the view that the Austrian President was blathering. When is a discreet - but thorough - peep into every corner of the small Bolivian plane a "formal search" or not?

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:15 | Link to Comment I Drink Your Mi...
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That is such a bullshit article.

The plane's defect was it didn't have enough fuel for the sudden itenerary change around Italy and over the Magreb to refuel Tenerife rather than a straight shot over Europe.

Since they were half way into their leg the pilot landed to refuel for the extended mileage. And since they didn't find Eddie the plane continued on over Europe.

Also, they were on the ground for 14 hours, yet the "airport staff" made contact with the plane/pilot after it landed and was told the "problem" was fixed.

This is a lame attempt at spin on Austria and Reuters part.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:38 | Link to Comment news printer
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http://images.derstandard.at/2013/07/03/1371239117189-Evo-Morales-Snowden-Stop-Vienna-032.jpg

http://images.derstandard.at/t/12/2013/07/03/1371241081971-snowden2.jpg

Bolivian officials accused France, Portugal, Spain and Italy of withdrawing permission for the plane to pass through their airspace, prompting the unscheduled stop in Vienna.

 

Bolivia's ambassador to the UN, Sacha Llorenti, said Austria's decision to search the aircraft was an act of aggression and a violation of international law, according to Reuters.


Austria's deputy chancellor, Michael Spindelegger, claimed that Morales "agreed to a voluntary inspection".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/03/bolivian-president-evo-morales-austria-plane

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(Reuters) - No unauthorized people were found on board Bolivian President Evo Morales' government plane at Vienna airport when Austrian authorities carried out a voluntary inspection, Deputy Chancellor Michael Spindelegger said on Wednesday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/03/us-usa-security-snowden-plane-...

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LA PAZ, Bolivia (AP) — Morales originally planned to fly home from a Moscow summit via Western Europe, stopping in Lisbon, Portugal and Guyana to refuel. His plane was diverted to Vienna Tuesday night after his government said France, Spain and Portugal all refused to let it through their airspace because they suspected Snowden was on board. Spain's ambassador to Austria even tried to make his way onto the plane on the pretext of having a coffee to check that Snowden wasn't there, Morales said.

 

Morales had sparked speculation that he might try to help Snowden get out during a visit to Russia after he said that his country would be willing to consider granting him asylum. Austrian officials said Morales' plane was searched early Wednesday by Austrian border police after Morales gave permission. Bolivian and Austrian officials both said Snowden was not on board.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=198257536

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Flughafenpolizei durchsucht Maschine


Eine Landung in Schwechat stellte jedenfalls kein Problem dar: "Wenn der bolivianische Präsident um Landeerlaubnis in Wien bittet, dann werden wir das erlauben", betonte Außenminister und Vizekanzler Michael Spindelegger (ÖVP). Durchsucht wurde das Flugzeug trotzdem, und zwar von der Flughafenpolizei in Form einer sogenannten "freiwilligen Nachschau" - zu der sowohl Morales als auch der Pilot ihre Zustimmung geben mussten.

http://derstandard.at/1371171489081/Boliviens-UN-Vertretung-droht-Wien-mit-Klage


Sat, 07/13/2013 - 12:48 | Link to Comment Ancona
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Good on them for having a set of balls and reeminding the world that they are sovereign fucking nations that will not lick Uncle Sugars boots.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:06 | Link to Comment Lore
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Are the ambassadors withdrawn for good, or just to pout for a little while?  Does this move have teeth?

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:14 | Link to Comment philosophers bone
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"All I've got in this world are my word and my balls."

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 12:51 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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So, what IS the plan in the higher circles of power?
Is it to compel Russia to grovel, or is to provide an on-going media excuse for intensified new Cold War shenanigans by the US government?

Is it to actually bring Snowden back in chains, give him the Bradley manning treatment, and try him in a kangaroo court ?
With  a sizable minority calling him a traitor, and most  others disagreeing, that would be a divisive distraction from TBTF robberies , and a self-made opportunity for more Homeland lockdowns.
Apparently the belief held by the higher ups must be that those in other countries would think none the worse of our government than they already do. And what works abroad ought work at home, shouldn't it?
After all, an empire which relies on war crimes, renditions, torture, assassinations, fraud, bribery, and corruption abroad, must eventually come to use its practiced arts at home. The US already boasts having a world-wide spy network, most militarized police establishment, and biggest prison system. Going to one's strengths is considered a no-brainer.

But it has been said that even the best-laid plans of mice and men can go awry.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 12:51 | Link to Comment PiratePawpaw
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This planet is just about primed for another WW.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:02 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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You're either with us or you're with __________.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:23 | Link to Comment PiratePawpaw
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Seriously; global economic depression, increasing resource scarcity, overpopulation, increasing nationalism, increasing political polarity, and an accelerating breakdown of the old political status quo.

Thats about all the ingredients, its just a question of which spark hits the right spot.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 12:52 | Link to Comment MayIMommaDogFac...
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Good on them...Call bullshit when bullshit is evident.

The way the whole thing was handled was a disugusting display of the way things really are.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:13 | Link to Comment Element
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yup, at least someone in the Southern Hemisphere gives a shit about this sort of stuff.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 12:53 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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The Morales episode made me extremely embarrassed to be an American. I mean more than I normally am. It positively reeked of desperation. The government is flailing about like a confused toddler.

And while it's easy to say the government has completely divorced itself from the people it claims to represent so we shouldn't care, its behavior still reflects badly on all of us. If I were to travel to another country, I'd probably adopt a faux-Canadian accent. Eh?

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:07 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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And of course, no one even knows about this because it was not given any attention. Even if lots of people did, it wouldn't mean anything.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:37 | Link to Comment sgt_doom
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You are most likely correct, Skateboarder, this is akin to what took place a few months back, when the Mexican government attempted to extradite their former president, Ernesto Zedillo, who is presently employed at Yale University in the USA.

Zedillo was the Mex prez who signed NAFTA, and out of the blue decided to float the Mexican peso, which was linked to the dollar, allowing for it to be arbitraged downward, further allowing for foreign banks to come in and cheaply purchase up of the Mexican banking system which, until the signing of NAFTA, weren't allowed to be foreign-owned.

Within a year after the passage and signing of NAFTA, almost 90% of the Mexican banks were foreign-owned.

The US gov't, of course, denied their extradition requests, so Zedillo (a member of the Group of Thirty, along with Timmy Geithner, Larry Summers, Mario Draghi, Dudley, Trichet, et al.) remains at Yale with his buds, John Negroponte and Gen. McChrystal.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:19 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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Great post, sgt_doom. The Pena Nieto protests never got coverage either. These fucks do the dirty work, take off to somewhere protected and cush, and live a life of excess?. Like Manet Napoopawhatshisface now taking over the UC. So much bad done at the world scale, now retiring to stop and frisk up GenDebt.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 15:57 | Link to Comment Peachfuzz
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This is not a retirement situation. Now that accts. receivable has written checks for necessary hardware, it's time to ramp up the indoctrination of the youth, and what better place to find suitable cats than U of Kali?

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:54 | Link to Comment franzpick
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First Lady Michelle Obama said, "for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback".

For the first time in my life I feel ashamed of my country because it feels like what this nations founders hoped for is suddenly being lost.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:00 | Link to Comment PiratePawpaw
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I agree, except it isnt sudden. It has been gradual. We have been silently watching it happen for decades, at first we were silent because it didnt hurt much and we were busy enjoying our lives. Lately it is more becsuse we realize resistance is futile and we are busy trying to survive today and whatever may happen tomorrow.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:20 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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Unfortunately it's flailing around with a rather large weapon and a bad case of diaper rash.  There's no telling what will happen next but I'm guessing it won't be pretty.

"Pampers package said 8-10lbs. and by golly that's all those things will hold..."

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:15 | Link to Comment Freddie
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A lot of the time when I was in Europe, they did not think I was an American.  In England, they thought that I was Canadian. Canadians on a train in the UK thought I was a South African (white).  I was polite, clean, not sloppy and did not act like a total arsehole.  

More than a few times, I would see Americans in Europe and they made me cringe.  "No no - I am not with them."  A few times I almost went up to them to try to tell them to shut the f*** up and remember that they are a guest in that country.  Did you get on the plane and leave your manners at home or did anyone ever teach you manners. Idiots.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:54 | Link to Comment PiratePawpaw
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We have those people here, we call them assholes. Problem is that a disproportionate number of Americans who can afford to travel abroad are assholes. A much higher percentage of the normal folk dont travel much. That is why most of the world thinks that DC, NYC, and LA represent America; they dont meet as many people from Kansas etc.

I suspect that other countries have just as many jerks as we do, they just dont visit rural North Texas very often.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 08:55 | Link to Comment Svendblaaskaeg
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"..Problem is that a disproportionate number of Americans who can afford to travel abroad are assholes.."

"..I suspect that other countries have just as many jerks as we do.." 

True that

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 12:58 | Link to Comment involuntarilybirthed
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The system consistently demonstrates it is bigger than this president.  He is just the head janitor and Carney his mop boy.   His agencies manage him as he tries to manage us.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:23 | Link to Comment Apeman
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Then those agencies are traitors and have to be removed from society. Either they leave voluntarily or they are removed by force. It's within the rights of the public to do so. In fact, it's their obligation. The public has to preserve it's freedom, by force if necessary.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 12:58 | Link to Comment Tinky
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"If I were to travel to another country, I'd probably adopt a faux-Canadian accent. Eh?"

Oddly enough, I was inclined to do exactly the same 35 years ago.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 18:30 | Link to Comment machineh
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With Stephen Harper toadying to Israel as uncritically as the US does, and Canada participating in NATO's Afghanistan occupation to the tune of 158 dead soldiers, Canada has long since lost its free pass.

It's just another militarized bootlicking lackey of USrael. 

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:00 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 I hope

Spain, France, Italy And Portugal

follow through and withdraw their cheap exports. South America was doing just fine before the Spanish fucked it up! (silver and small pox)

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:04 | Link to Comment The Abstraction...
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You mean the child sacrifices to Coyotlinahual?

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:09 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 That, my friend, was an excellent post! ;-D

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:59 | Link to Comment samsara
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Ya,  and they didn't have Crusades and Spanish Inquisitions and modern medicine like blood letting and other pleasantries either.

Mr. Kettle meet Mr Pot

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 16:13 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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  The SPanGlish fucked up South America. Followed by  the "short bus" French. You're an assclown. 

  FATOUS dumbasses like you are laughable at best!

 

 

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:02 | Link to Comment Element
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Total-Global-Dominence paradigms will tend to do that.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:08 | Link to Comment 1eyedman
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the future is south america.    notice the general age differences between eu officials and lat am?   if they could  get past their collective 'manana'  way of thinking.  but that makes sense, they are all mediterrean culture descendants anyway.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:22 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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  >El futuro es América del Sur y el herpes simplex uncureable.<

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:19 | Link to Comment eatthebanksters
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Obama has again shown his true and secret self with this emabarassing and failed act of desperation.  Didn''t he say he wasn't going to spend time and diplomatic capital to bring this guy home?  Obama talks so much shit and never really does what he promises.  When will the sheeple that adore him figure out that the guy is a liar and just another politician?  All these acts of continuing domestic surveillance with drones and the NSA, powered by the attempted gun grab have me worried.  If you can, find the Youtube video of an interview with an FBI underground agent who discusses 'Operation Prairie Fire' in 70's or early 80's, and watch it.  This agent has a recording of a meeting where it is alleged Bill Ayers and a number of Columbia progressives are alleged to have discuss the aftermath of the overthrow of our country.  If it's true its absolutely chilling and these are Obama's friends.  The government now paints a picture of a growing economy, reduced unemployment and great social benefits for all.  It is trying to instill confidence in the populace so that the citizens of the US will continue to look to the governement to answer and solve all their problems.  What the government doesn't talk about is a flaiing job market and split wealth effect.  It fails to mention that our debt is unsustainable.(Just view the slow downward spiral of sovereign financial ratings around the world) and that the only reason we are solvent is because Ben Bernanke is printing a trillion dollars a year.  What will happen when all this comes to its logical conclusion and blows up like the MBS market?  That's right, the end of everything as we know it.  No wonder they want drones seeing evertyhing from the sky and the NSA intercepting every communication, no wonder they want to take away our guns and no wonder DHS has purchased 6000 urban tanks and billions of rounds of ammo.  They know something and they are scared and it has very little to do with overseas terrorists.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:40 | Link to Comment sgt_doom
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As an authentic democrat and real progressive, I despise Obama for the same exact reasons I despise the two Bushes, Clintons and Reagan, but when you bring Ayers into it, that douchebagger party affiliation shines through.......

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:32 | Link to Comment eatthebanksters
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Sgt Doom, I am not a member of either the Republican or Democratic party and so I have no partisan squabble with either.  It's true that Obama launched his political career with Ayers help.  When I suggested watching the video I was careful to use the word 'alleged' twice and further covered my ass with the phrase "If its true" in bold letters.  I'm not a conspiracy guy, but I don't believe in outrageous coincidences either.  

I do know two things: Obama talks a lot about what he has done and what he will do, but when you actually look at what he has done in many cases it's the opposite of what he claimed (FInancial Reform - not one actor from the subprime meltdown has gone to jail) Second, I don't know who the guy is and what he really believes in...why would he hide his transcripts and records from his years at Columbia? What is in them that he does not want people to know about? 

My big concern is what will happen when the stuffing hits the fan and how the government handles it.  When you look at Obama's background and the company he keeps and you put it all in the mix, there is the potential (albeit admittedly a small one) that he and his Chicago cronies would try to restructure our country.  There's probably a 10% chance our country implodes in a huge way...but that did threat did not exist even 15 years ago.  And there is something that is going on within the government that we don't know about - why else would the author of the Patriot Act say it has gone way beyond its original intent?  Why else would the government be recording all of our communications?  Why else would they use drones, the ultimate weapon of intimidation? (we see you but you don't see us and we can kill you anytime we want).  Why are they intimidating the free press?  for one simple reason:  THEY DON'T WANT DEMOCRACY TO WORK BECAUSE IT SLOWS DOWN THEIR AGENDA. (Do you think using reconciliation to pass Obamacare, which no one had even read, is indicitive of the democratic process?.

When you are the leader of the country and the will of the poeple is different from what you want, you can do one of three things: listen to the people, or slowly try and maneuver your way through the system to achieve your political goals, or you can intimidate and control to pursue your agenda and become a tyrant/dictator.  That's how I see our president and it has nothng to do with any political party.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 15:27 | Link to Comment FreedomGuy
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Nice points, eatthebankers. Our security issues which have some legitimate base in history have devolved to where the entire population must be monitored as suspects. When you monitor ALL comunications (remotely or directly) you are saying that everyone is a potential terrorist or threat. If you accept that premise as many on both the Left and Right, to then you have just given permission for an autocratic society. It is a very small jump to having cameras in homes and on every street.

Orwell thought of this a long time ago did he not?

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:53 | Link to Comment samsara
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Press the ENTER key now and then. 

Make it into paragraphs if you want more to read it.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:27 | Link to Comment Totentänzerlied
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About as chilling as warm apple pie. The coup happened before you were even born.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 20:43 | Link to Comment samsara
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You and so many others are still framing this around Obama and Holder...

Misdirection.

Show me where there is ANY deviation of the trajectory of Bush/Cheney and John Ashcroft from Obama/Biden and Holder.

Obama wouldn't be anywhere at this moment if it wasn't for Bush/Cheney, the Patriot Act and 911, etc

Folks, Don't personalize it. It's NOT an individual. When Obama didn't get on the plane in Chantilly Va. (and gave the reporters the slip)back in 2008 and had a meeting with "Top" people is when he got the word that he as a go. The persons he met with are much closer to the source of your wrath than Obama.

google 'obama chantilly 2008 meeting'

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:11 | Link to Comment JR
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The overview: It is forcing Americans and the world to face the awful progress that has been made toward world government and a world police force that can force sovereign countries to do its will.

That tyranny may be based in the U S, but the Snowden events show that it is operative over most of the western world.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:12 | Link to Comment q99x2
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1 million signatures to Arrest Eric Holder and growing.

Help. The United States of America is under attack by Washington D.C. and the Globalist banksters, middle men and nefarious segments of the Military Industrial Complex. They are planning to  kill us. Somebody do something.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:29 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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Lol,

a petition from Infowars...

I can see Obowela say, "I'll get right on that today."

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:39 | Link to Comment JR
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A Call for Eric Holder's Resignation & Prosecution

1,003,816 Letters and Emails Sent So Far

When is enough, enough? We say the time is now! The Obama Administration has shown itself to have blatant disregard and disrespect for our system of government as well as for the law of the land, the Constitution. Obama and his cronies operate as if the United States is a dictatorship and operate like a Chicago crime syndicate. They do what they want, when they want, with absolutely no regard to the law.

Mission Statement for the Department of Justice

To enforce the law and defend the interests of the United States according to the law; to ensure public safety against threats foreign and domestic; to provide federal leadership in preventing and controlling crime; to seek just punishment for those guilty of unlawful behavior; and to ensure fair and impartial administration of justice for all Americans.

 Attorney General Eric Holder makes a mockery of this mission statement every day. Rather than running his office as a servant to the American people with deep respect for the laws that he is supposed to enforce, he runs the Department of Justice like the enforcement wing of a mafia organization with President Obama at the helm. Holder acts as Obama’s personal attorney and hit man, doing whatever is necessary to protect him and ‘the family', even if it means unlawful acts. 

America has seen a number of egregious and unlawful acts by the man who is supposed to serve as the main legal advisor to the United States government. Instead, he uses his office as a weapon to push Obama’s radical, unconstitutional agenda and to punish those who disagree with the president We have witnessed a refusal to prosecute Black Panthers for voter intimidation. We have seen the loss of life, including Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, with the gun running operation Fast and Furious. We have heard Holder state that citizenship to illegals is a ‘civil right’. Those are just to name a few. 

We have recently learned that Attorney General of the United States, Eric Holder, issued secret subpoenas to spy on members of the Associated Press for over 2 months! In addition to that, he signed the authorization for the DOJ to go after FOX News Chief Washington Correspondent James Rosen for simply doing his job. They labeled him as a possible criminal co-conspirator in violation of the Espionage Act and monitored his phone, his parent's phones, phones at FOX News as well as his personal email. Those are the tactics of the Soviet Union and a clear attack on freedom of the press! 

IS THIS STILL AMERICA?

This most recent illegal act by Eric Holder’s Department of (In)Justice is so incredibly tyrannical and unconstitutional that should be the final straw for his removal from office! ...

Holder should tender his resignation effective immediately! But, that is not enough. We continue to call for the prosecution of Eric Holder. The very rule of law is at stake and the credibility of every law enforcement officer in the country. If our top law enforcement agency refuses to follow the law, there is no rule of law, and this is no longer America.  

http://act.theteaparty.net/5273/prosecute-eric-holder/

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:51 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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Now all we need is a few Congressmen without a control file full of financial or socially embarrassing revelations to lead the charge for impeachment and prosecutions.

I'll wait ...but I'm not holding my breath.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:03 | Link to Comment franzpick
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I won't be surprised by a twitter announcement by barry or eric of the formation of the new umbrella agency, the Department of Just-Us.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:50 | Link to Comment HowardBeale
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"...without a control file full of financial or socially embarrassing revelations..."--or documented felonies (rape, drugs, murder, battery, embezzlement, etc.).

 

And THAT is why not one Wall Street criminal has gone to jail; i.e., "You out me; I out you."

 

And THAT is why this is all going to end violently.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 19:26 | Link to Comment FreedomGuy
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Signing it will undoubtedly move you up the NSA priority monitoring list.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:16 | Link to Comment ptoemmes
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Dear NUSA and NeoColonial European cohorts,

You don't pull a stunt like this unless you aare sure of the outcome. That is, make sure Snowden was on the aircraft.

Geez..

But the faux pax is humourously entertaining in a weird sort of way.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:43 | Link to Comment franzpick
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That's not at all what happened or what's going on; it's much more calculating and devious than you or anyone can imagine.

Illegally threatening the 4 Morales jet flyover countries and forcing down a sovereign, immune, presidential Bolivian jet was an opportunity for them to intimidate anyone from arranging or attempting to fly Snowden to freedom; if they can force down Bolivian Air Force 1, what do you think the flight directors of the several airlines that have overfly routes that could take Snowden to Latin or S America are thinking?

There was no erroneous lead that Snowden was aboard, the stowaway story was concocted, and the threat has worked.  Any country, company or group considering flying the NSA messenger to safety now realizes the extremes to which NoBama will go to strong-arm any foreign country and stop any such attempted flight.

What they did to Morales was in no way a "faux pax", it is not "humourously entertaining", or "weird", and you and your naive post are suspect.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 17:09 | Link to Comment PKF
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Of course the story was concocted.  Morales' plane left from an entirely different airport than the one where EJS is stuck. 

But I found it rather mean-spirited to pick on the poorest of all countries in S. America.  Was the NSA too chicken to pick on the Venezuelan plane?

Morales, after all, is the only INDIGENOUS individual to be elected president on the continent. 

Don't you wonder what Chavez would be doing if he were still alive?

I'll never forget his speech at the UN after W had left the podium...he said something to the effect that..."I can still smell the sulphur of the devil."  I still get a little chuckle over that. 

Alas, my words are being read as I type them. 

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:23 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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I love the irony of the partially black African President of the US being lectured on his colonialistic actions by Latin American presidents.

Even Kenya says he was born in Hawaii now. They (destroyed) can't find his birth certificate.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:29 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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   In retrospect, I'm laughing pretty hard, right now. Portugal offered Snowden {safe exile}.

  OXYMORON of the Century!  ( I guess he doesn't fit the TROIKA confiscation template?)

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:18 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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When was that, because the whole debacle about Morales' plane landing denial (for "technical" reasons) was, officially, to "not import the Snowden affair to Portugal"...

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:31 | Link to Comment DutchR
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Recall (don't export) Snow (blow) and see who has who by the gonads........

 

ps. i think it's all kabuki

 

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:35 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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"Porque no te callas?"  King Philip of Spain to Hugo Chavez.

 

Colonialism?   Naaaaaah....

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:38 | Link to Comment timbo_em
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So I guess this means the-more-broke-than-ever Spain will not be bailed out by its former colonies even if Rajoy asks them again?! But then again Rajoy just assured his peeps that green shoots start to appear in the economy and Spain is on the right track.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:41 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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you mean "ideally then the world would see the dollar repudiation panic." the American people no longer support their currency. they understand that it is being used as a weapon to destroy their way of life and unlike Washington have long ago understood that it is not needed. this is really a staggering blow at what appears to be our ever shrinking White House. as everyone knows i really love this Obama dude but clearly the PTB are busting a move...and he is just one guy. (that would be the President...although you insert Edward Snowden here as well amazingly enough! STAY PUT EDWARD! STAY PUT! I TAKE BACK ALL I'VE SAID!) what I find fascinating is Wall Street's SILENCIO on this matter as they peer out of the barrel they're in from atop the Niagra River! tune in to George Zimmerman Wall Street! All is well!

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:44 | Link to Comment DEVILDOG
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BRAVO LATIN AMERICA!!! Apparantly, you are the only AMERICA that currently exists in the world today. jamie and LORD b. are going to sell you some worthless mbs and cds to get back at you on Monday. In addition, they will order their muppet, coward and TRAITOR obummer to issue a terse warning to you backed by drone over flights of your countries. eric "PLACE" holder will declare it a legal action based on his interprtation of the American CONSTITUTION to protect our nation against our enemies.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:42 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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Snowdens crazy if he leaves Russia for S. America anywhere.

Too many of those School of the Americas alumni wandering around down there looking for a paycheck.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:45 | Link to Comment AccreditedEYE
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Globalization coming back to haunt the U.S.. Happy to see the emerging world continue to realize they have a voice and can use it. Just wait till the new world bank of emerging countries starts to pick up more steam. I have no sympathy for western developed world; they are bringing all of their problems on themselves. No surprise to ZH readers.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:10 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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There will be bombs... Israel didn't burrow this deep the last 50 years to let loose without destroying the hosts and anything nearby

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:48 | Link to Comment Promethus
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Even though it wasa stupid thing to do, the Europeans have a right to close their air space to anyone. The French wouldn't let US planes fly over their territory in 1986 to bomb the Libya. The Europeans did not have the right to search the plane of the President of a soverign state, nor did they do so.

This is just Latin American theater showing that they can stand up to the US bully especially when there are no consequences.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:00 | Link to Comment Non Passaran
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It wasn't "the Europeans" (who the fuck are the Europeans?) but the few individuals beholden to Obama and the Fed.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:14 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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Those short swim trunks mustached zima drinking ravers that are all over those lands with the funny languages

That's who

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:32 | Link to Comment Totentänzerlied
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Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

They phoned ahead and said, "we got this little PR stunt coming up. It's gonna be real good for our polling numbers, just play along, thanks".

Nothing to see here, they're just earning their populist brownie points back home for doing absolutely nothing.

I have said since day 1 that everyone and their brother will exploit this Snowden circus in every possible way. Lo and behold.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 15:13 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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.It wasn't just France, it was pretty much all countries which were asked to, and they still flew over them.

But, what exactly has an unilateral, unprovoked act of war to do with a regular, peaceful diplomatic flight from a nation you have diplomatic relations with?

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:52 | Link to Comment Gidzo
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Assange for President ????
Snowden for Veep ????
Manning for Attorney General ????

That should straighten a few things out

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 15:29 | Link to Comment FreedomGuy
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Where does Vince Foster fit in the picture?

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 13:52 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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So what exactly is the US doing?

Fugitive former U.S. spy contractor Edward Snowden controls dangerous information that could become the United States' "worst nightmare" if revealed, a journalist familiar with the data said in a newspaper interview.

Glenn Greenwald, the Guardian journalist who first published the documents Snowden leaked, said in a newspaper interview published on Saturday that the U.S. government should be careful in its pursuit of the former computer analyst.

"Snowden has enough information to cause harm to the U.S. government in a single minute than any other person has ever had," Greenwald said in an interview in Rio de Janeiro with the Argentinian daily La Nacion.

 

"The U.S. government should be on its knees every day begging that nothing happen to Snowden, because if something does happen to him, all the information will be revealed and it could be its worst nightmare."

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/07/13/usa-security-snowden-greenwald-idINDEE96C05520130713

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:01 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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Jeez,

This could be big...

Imagine if the Brits find out about the CIA sniffing Lady Di's underwear...

You know how they get about Lady Di.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:21 | Link to Comment Sabibaby
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This is a hurry up and wait giant circle jerk. At least we'll learn about these things if he dies. If he's kept alive forever we may never know... I'm starting to wonder about Snowden's objective. 

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:28 | Link to Comment DeliciousSteak
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The U.S. government should be on its knees every day begging that nothing happen to Snowden, because if something does happen to him, all the information will be revealed and it could be its worst nightmare.

 

Utter bullshit. Snowden is already snowed in, finished. This "we have lots of juicy stuff that we'll release soon" is the exact same bullshit that other psyops like Anonymous and Wikileaks use. In the end their information is harmless and quickly forgotten.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 13:24 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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use it or lose it.

another cia op, just like wikileaks

if they guy has info that could equalize world relations, he should have already released it.

 

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:05 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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To those Latin American countries: gracias and obrigado.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:07 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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I hear the entire South American continent is anti-semetic and should be bombed... That's what I hear from their actions

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:11 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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Just as we thought we (re)struck gold, there. This HAS to be bullish for our economic relations with them, somehow (we kind of need it)...

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:23 | Link to Comment digalert
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What is this "human rights" they speak?

That's a strange term in the anglo-western world.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 17:05 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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Another barbaric relic civilized world got over and done with long ago.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:54 | Link to Comment Goldilocks
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The Traveling Wilburys - Handle with Care [High Quality Sound]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnIbC8oJ9zs (3:07)

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 14:55 | Link to Comment news printer
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OK but what about Austria;

after all Austrians did the strip search of Morales plane

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One airport officer did board the aircraft on Tuesday to find out why it had landed in Vienna reporting technical problems, but "there was no formal inspection", Austrian President Heinz Fischer told Kurier newspaper.

Fischer's comments, published on Sunday, appeared aimed at untangling contradictory accounts of how Bolivian President Evo Morales was treated as he flew home from a conference in Moscow last week.

"Someone from the airport staff sought out the aircraft or the pilot after landing to inquire about the nature of the technical problem," Fischer was quoted as saying.

"The Austrian official was advised that the defect was already fixed, and saw on this occasion that the plane was empty ... He did not look under the seats. There was no formal inspection, but no other people were found on board," Fischer added.

Pressed on whether that meant Austrians had not searched the plane, he said:

"There was no search in the forensic sense. There was also no reason to under international law. The plane of a president belongs to 'his territory' and cannot be searched readily."

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http://images.derstandard.at/2013/07/03/1371239117189-Evo-Morales-Snowden-Stop-Vienna-032.jpg

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Bolivian officials accused France, Portugal, Spain and Italy of withdrawing permission for the plane to pass through their airspace, prompting the unscheduled stop in Vienna.

 

Bolivia's ambassador to the UN, Sacha Llorenti, said Austria's decision to search the aircraft was an act of aggression and a violation of international law, according to Reuters.


Austria's deputy chancellor, Michael Spindelegger, claimed that Morales "agreed to a voluntary inspection".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/03/bolivian-president-evo-morales-austria-plane

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(Reuters) - No unauthorized people were found on board Bolivian President Evo Morales' government plane at Vienna airport when Austrian authorities carried out a voluntary inspection, Deputy Chancellor Michael Spindelegger said on Wednesday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/03/us-usa-security-snowden-plane-...

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LA PAZ, Bolivia (AP) — Morales originally planned to fly home from a Moscow summit via Western Europe, stopping in Lisbon, Portugal and Guyana to refuel. His plane was diverted to Vienna Tuesday night after his government said France, Spain and Portugal all refused to let it through their airspace because they suspected Snowden was on board. Spain's ambassador to Austria even tried to make his way onto the plane on the pretext of having a coffee to check that Snowden wasn't there, Morales said.

 

Morales had sparked speculation that he might try to help Snowden get out during a visit to Russia after he said that his country would be willing to consider granting him asylum. Austrian officials said Morales' plane was searched early Wednesday by Austrian border police after Morales gave permission. Bolivian and Austrian officials both said Snowden was not on board.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=198257536

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Flughafenpolizei durchsucht Maschine


Eine Landung in Schwechat stellte jedenfalls kein Problem dar: "Wenn der bolivianische Präsident um Landeerlaubnis in Wien bittet, dann werden wir das erlauben", betonte Außenminister und Vizekanzler Michael Spindelegger (ÖVP). Durchsucht wurde das Flugzeug trotzdem, und zwar von der Flughafenpolizei in Form einer sogenannten "freiwilligen Nachschau" - zu der sowohl Morales als auch der Pilot ihre Zustimmung geben mussten.

http://derstandard.at/1371171489081/Boliviens-UN-Vertretung-droht-Wien-mit-Klage


Sat, 07/13/2013 - 15:16 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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WTF just happened here, ZH?

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 16:59 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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Who's the asshole downvoting this?

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 14:09 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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Assholes, the formatting is totally mangled - there's several comments merged into one (which weren't, at first, btw).

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 15:41 | Link to Comment robnume
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Lights out, Guerilla Radio, turn that shit up!! Evo Morales, as president of Bolivia, should have had executive immunity regarding international airspace. What these EU shitholes did was, in fact, illegal and sure as hell was immoral - or should I have said amoral. After all, the United Stasi of Amerika and its minions in the EU wouldn't have put up with Blobama's AF1 being forcibly detained. Go, Latin America, go!!! You don't need us, we're not the boss of you, no matter what our gubmint says! VIVA Simon Bolivar!!!

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 16:52 | Link to Comment Winston Smith 2009
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"one in which an American empire in decline is critical to a European continent on the edge of collapse both of which depend exclusively on the Fed's perpetuation of a reserve currency fiat myth"

I don't think that's what's stopping them from accepting Snowden.  They know that if he could do so without harming the US, Bernanke would gladly throw them under the bus regardless of what they did with respect to Snowden. There is no honor among central bankers and thieves (I know, that's redundant). I suspect it has more to do with any existing intel agency ties with the US intel agencies.

Sat, 07/13/2013 - 19:03 | Link to Comment More_sellers_th...
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I am in no way approving of what is going on. In fact I detest it. However, if you are going to glom technology (ie telephone ) off of the people who invented it. And then complain you can't control it. Bite me. Dump your socialist governments and create a country with educational and opportunity for those who refuse to be victims and invent your own technology

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 01:02 | Link to Comment tony bonn
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finally the south americans grew a pair and told the nazi oligarchy to fuck off....but we will have to wait to see how long it lasts....argentina was a hideout for germany's nazis and bushnazi has a huge plantation/ranch in either uruguay or paraguay....

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