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The Day After: Widespread Angry Protests, Tactical Alerts, Some Vandalism, No Major Riots

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Despite the worst fears of many that this morning America might wake up to a redux of a flaming Compton and Watts, so far there have been no widespread riots or looting, even if vandalism has broken out sporadically among the countrywide angry protests.

From AFP: "Americans angry at the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the death of black teen Trayvon Martin marched in US cities throughout Saturday night, with reports of sporadic acts of violence. Spontaneous marches of varying sizes erupted in cities including San Francisco, Chicago, Washington, Atlanta and Philadelphia.

Prominent rights activists like Jesse Jackson appealed for calm. "Avoid violence, it will lead to more tragedies. Find a way for self construction not deconstruction in this time of despair," he wrote on Twitter. Martin's parents have long called for non-violent demonstrations, quoting civil rights icon Martin Luther King and the Bible. Several hundred demonstrators marched peacefully amid a heavy police presence in downtown San Francisco soon after the verdict.

Many carried signs with slogans such as "The people say guilty." Hours later angry protesters marching through Oakland -- just across the bay from San Francisco -- spray-painted cars and smashed windows, helicopter video footage posted by the Oakland Tribune showed. One vandalized vehicle was a police cruiser."

The LAPD declared a citywide tactical alert overnight due to concerns of a Rodney King repeat:

The LAPD has declared a citywide tactical alert amid a protest in Leimert Park sparked by the George Zimmerman not-guilty verdict in Florida on Saturday night.

 

The alert initially applied only to the agency's South Bureau -- but it was expanded to include the entire city, a LAPD sergeant said. In a tactical alert, officers can be held over after their regular shifts and do not have to respond to low-priority radio calls.

 

LAPD Sgt. Carlton Brown said the decision was made as a precaution amid the controversial verdict. He said there have been no reports of problems at the demonstration in Leimert Park.

 

"We think it's going to remain that way," he said.

 

Brown said he heard the crowd grew to some 200 but was now starting to dissipate.
Twitter users were posting about the demonstration Saturday night in the historically black neighborhood.

 

"Just drove thru Leimert Park, they're having an extremely peaceful rally." wrote user @dj_RTistic. "News vans are out and a few Black cops are there to patrol it"

Elsewhere, around the country:

In Chicago, to the cry of "No justice, no peace! No racist police!" a crowd of activists held a noisy downtown rally, the Chicago Tribune reported, while protesters gathered at Times Square in New York City to vent their anger.

 

In Washington, dozens of mostly African-American youths marched chanting slogans in a city neighborhood. They were followed closely by patrol vehicles, an AFP journalist reported.

 

A crowd of several hundred gathered all day Saturday outside the courthouse in Sanford, Florida -- and many were outraged when the verdict was read.

 

"It's the end of our justice system," said Ashton Summer, a 20 year-old Puerto Rican. "Justice is not equal for everyone."

 

The ANSWER coalition, which helped organize large protest rallies during the Iraq war, said it would hold marches Sunday in seven US cities, as well as three separate ones in New York.

 

"We are very saddened by the jury's verdict," said Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump after the verdict was read. "The family is heartbroken."

 

Rights activist Al Sharpton posted a statement on Facebook describing Zimmerman's acquittal as "a slap in the face to the American people."

 

"We intend to ask the Department of Justice to move forward as they did in the Rodney King case and we will closely monitor the civil case against Mr. Zimmerman," said Sharpton.

 

Benjamin Todd Jealous, head of the NAACP, the premier US civil rights group, said his organization is "outraged and heartbroken" over the verdict.

 

"We will pursue civil rights charges with the Department of Justice, we will continue to fight for the removal of Stand Your Ground laws in every state, and we will not rest until racial profiling in all its forms is outlawed."

 

The controversial laws allow people who fear for their lives to use deadly force to defend themselves without having to flee a confrontation.

 

"The jury found he acted appropriately in defending his life in accordance with the law," George's brother Robert Zimmerman Jr. said on CNN.

 

"I think that conjecture and speculation and emotional reaction to what people think may or may not have happened has been dominating the discussion for a long time."

 

Robert Zimmerman however said that "there are people that would want to take the law into their own hands ... and they will always present a threat to George and his family."

And some documentary evidence courtesy of RT:

Finally, here is George Zimmerman's brother Robert on CNN defending his brother to Piers Morgan with the counter theme: "What is Trayvon was my brother..."

 


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Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:20 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Lincecum tossed a no-no & AJ Ellis had a complete game shutout against Boston... So OAKtown got diffused...

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/sarc

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:25 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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in Philly we had extra innings in both games of the doubleheader..anda  rain delay to start...  so no one really thought about this junk case

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:40 | Link to Comment Zer0head
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the world was supposed to end with the sequester too

 

in other twitter news

this should make everyone feel good

Twitter

@BarackObama 12 Jul

If Congress won't #ActOnClimate, President Obama will. Show your support: http://OFA.BO/dXzrDs  pic.twitter.com/2aH21qr6CT

https://twitter.com/BarackObama/statuses/355702160039759872

so while half of the US is watching the cougars of CNN headline news lament what a jury of 5.5 white women did

executive orders are being drafted that will impact the lifestyle and finances of most Americans and many American businesses.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:16 | Link to Comment Headbanger
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Just watch how fast the inflamatory lame stream legacy media drops coverage of this story now that it has lost all ratings value to them.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:25 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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Corporate lame-stream formula:  Get the public to form hard opinions about that which they know little or nothing about, or that doesn't fucking matter.  These guys are good at what they do "look over here, look over here".

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:15 | Link to Comment knukles
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And lo and behold, even yet this morning, MSNBC is preaching the evils, racism, miscarriage of ju8stice and suggesting that it might be a grand idea to have some voices heard, (aka riots)

Will MSNBC be tried and found guilty of inciting riots?
Yelling fire in the crowded theater?

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 13:52 | Link to Comment benjamin_1114
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Only black people are allowed to kill black people, if someone else does its racism/profiling and it turns into a great reason to riot and pillage. On to the next sideshow!

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 15:35 | Link to Comment kaa1016
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And this is precisely the point that most who are all up in arms seem to imply. What happened to Trayvon Martin is tragic and I think Zimmerman should have at least been found guilty of manslaugter. However, blacks are killing blacks every day. Where is the outrage for that?

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 16:04 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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whats our country come to, when the negroes are too damn lazy to riot

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 19:16 | Link to Comment Hubbs
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Actually, not too lazy, at least what NSA and HSA must be thinking. Instead the fact that there are no riots may reinforce the HSA's  drive toward even greater control via a  paramilitary police state. This goes hand in hand with the Boston Bombing. Nobody complained about the warrantless searches and nobody is rioting now.

 

Would there have been a Rodney King style riot back in Watts had the NSA been as aggressive as they are now? I wonder.

 

This may be signaling to the NSA " Hey we can do anything. The Boston people didn't mind us barging in their homes, and the blacks are too scared to riot after Zimmerman is aquitted. We are on the right track. More surveillance. More armored personel carriers . More control and police state.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 15:59 | Link to Comment Lost Word
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Problem - Reaction - Solution - NWO

NWO creates the problem in order to provide the solution - NWO tyranny.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:57 | Link to Comment ISEEIT
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Not so fast cowboy. I believe that these clowns thought they had it wrapped up. They sure as shit aren't going to let this sucker go now. Sharpton's got he some bills to pay and we need lot's of angry idiots to help obozo finish the job he was assigned.

It ain't over.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:54 | Link to Comment sgt_doom
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It's Jury Selection, Jury Selection, Jury Selection

I don't mean to sound as if I'm parsing here, but the truth of the matter in these high profile cases, and various insurance-involved cases (malpractice suits, etc.), is that much money and effort goes into precision jury selection.

When I heard the make-up of the jury, all women, all mothers, I feared that Zimmerman would be found not guilty; it seemed the greatest probability given their jury selection.

Personally speaking, the one and only time I finally made it to the point of jury selection (it was a medical malpractice lawsuit, and the majority of the jury members had been selected, but the attorneys were planning on excluding several, so the largest pool of jurors was brought in for voir dire, thirty in all, with the least likely to be selected at the very end of the line, which naturally meant I was number thirty juror possibility [never chosen, 'natch] --- being at the end afforded me the position of being next to the four Jury Selection Consultants [three men and one woman] and overhearing their whispered remarks --- said remarks pointing to the targeting of the blandest people possible, those most likely to never have questioned the status quo!).

Had this been in earlier times, but in the present tense, and a random cross section of that town been chosen, in all probability Zimmerman would have been justifiably convicted, as he should have been!

Now Zimmerman can pick up and his gun, and no doubt in the future make another attempt against an innocent victim.

Perhaps, like Ernesto Miranda (he of the Mirandizing or Miranda Warning), eventually his karma will catch up with him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_warning

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_v._Arizona

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernesto_Miranda

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 13:33 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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It doesn't make sense to blame the jury for ruling on incredibly stupid laws, blame the people writing the laws. Apparently in Florida it's OK to kill someone as long as you think you're in mortal danger, has nothing to do with whether you actually are, or if there is any evidence you are - nope - only matters if you think you are.

So next time you're driving your car - anywhere in Florida - and someone drives too close it is well within your rights to pull out your gun and shoot the other driver... as long as you 'feel' you are in mortal danger - which tangentially may have been a reasonable belief (as long as you convincingly come across as a total moron, pretty common in the US) as you were theoretically in mortal danger considering you are always in mortal danger whilst driving a car. 

If the jury looked at that case and found you blameless under the law, not their fault. 

These kinds of idiotic laws go hand in hand with America's longest war, the one against evidence-based reasoning. 

However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) >> He or she reasonably believes << that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony;

Fuck reality, it's all about belief!

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 13:51 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Most people who legally carry are far more rational than any of you anti-gun dipshits. You think because someone legally has a gun they're just driving down the road looking for someone to shoot?

If someones swerving toward them, multiple times, in a car, do you think its "reasonable to believe they intend imminent death or great bodily harm to the other driver or another driver or they are intent on committing a forcible felony" with that car?

Absolutely fucking amazing.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 13:58 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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Most people who legally carry are far more rational than any of you anti-gun dipshits.

I'm not anti-gun, I'm anti-stupid-people-with-guns. 

If someones swerving toward them, multiple times, in a car, do you think its "reasonable to believe they intend imminent death or great bodily harm to the other driver or another driver or they are intent on committing a forcible felony" with that car? 

That wasn't my example now was it? Because it doesn't matter under this law what they were actually doing in this common space we share called 'reality' it only matters what the shooter thinks they were doing. 

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 14:22 | Link to Comment Lost Word
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Try understanding the word "reasonably".

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 14:32 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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Exactly...  The people on these threads can't be this daft...  trolling, plain and simple.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 14:36 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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I do, which is why I agree with the jury that it is reasonable to believe Zimmerman thought he was in danger of losing his life. 

Which is totally separate to whether Zimmerman was actually in grave danger from my estimation. The law doesn't concern reality.

Yesterday evening someone on here was saying they were scared to leave their hosue and go downtown in fear of riots.....in Portland Oregon. Most peopel are scared idiots who are afraid of the dark so it's no stretch to believe that Zimmerman thought he was in grave danger and it also makes sense that he'd only of shot Martin if he believed that.

Which is why this law is so idiotic, Einstsein put it best "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”

This law would more appropriately be called "the justification of lethal force in the case of stupid-scared-shitless-morons."

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 17:27 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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You have to separate the subjective portion of the law (what zimmerman was thinking at the time) and the objective portion of the law (the reasonable man standard)...  once you understand how to combine the two, everything should fall into place a bit better and your outrage revealed as unwarranted.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 17:48 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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You have to separate the subjective portion of the law (what zimmerman was thinking at the time) and the objective portion of the law (the reasonable man standard)...  

No you don't and that's why the defence argued that Zimmerman was too stupid to assess the situation properly. 

The whole point of the law is that it isn't about a consensus standard of what is a reasonable fear, it says VERY SPECIFICALLY otherwise. 

a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes 

NOTICE: it doesn't say "he or she reasonably faces imminent lethal danger" it says "he or she BELIEVES" which is a giant fucking difference. 

What someone believes to be grave danger is entirely subjective, so for the defence the burden wasn't to prove that Zimmerman was actually in grave danger (which they didn't try to argue) it was to prove that he THOUGHT he was in grave danger. 

Which is what they did prove and why they were successful.  

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 21:17 | Link to Comment Raymond K Hessel
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So being laid out on your back while someone is sitting on top of you and punching the shit out of you.... it is not reasonable to believe your life is in danger?  

How does that work?  

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:17 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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They posted the jury instructions in another thread for christ's sake...  somehow, the word "reasonable" gets ignored in your analysis...  again, the answer is that it is a two (2) part test...  zimmerman must be in fear of his life/serious harm/etc. (subjective) AND it must be reasonable for him to be in that mental state (objective).  Here is a relevant portion of the instructions:

The danger facing George Zimmerman need not have been actual; however, to justify the use of deadly force, the appearance of danger must have been so real that a reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have believed that the danger could be avoided only through the use of that force. Based upon appearances, George Zimmerman must have actually believed that the danger was realhttp://legalinsurrection.com/2013/07/zimmerman-final-jury-instructions/

 

There has literally never been a requirement that the threat of harm be real...  it isn't some magical concoction of the stand your ground law...  it has been a reasonable man standard for a few centuries now (probably millenia).  I'm not sure what you're getting at, but you are clearly mistaken.  You're trying to impose some legal standard that hasn't ever existed...  for incredibly obvious reasons.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 14:31 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Your example was complete bullshit and you know it.

You assume the gun owner is irrational and will shoot (in fact you just advocated for them to do so!!!) anyone who gets too close to him driving down the highway.

You're the one who's out of touch with reality.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 14:45 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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My example was in relation to the law - not gun owners - and has nothing to do with what I advocate.

 

Gun owners for the most part are obviously responsible, simple fact based on numbers - my issue isn't with them (they get enough grief as the punching bag between a smorgasbord of special interests & media nonsense).

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 19:02 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"My example was in relation to the law - not gun owners..."

Ok, lets refresh.

The law sets the bounds by which people can properly take defensive action. It was held by a jury of his peers that everything Zimmerman did, from legally carrying a weapon, to calling the cops, to defending himself when assaulted & battered by Trayvon, was in compliance with the law.

It cannot be left up to a jury to make law or decide if an action taken meets THEIR definition of "reasonable belief of imminent death or great bodily harm to them or another or to prevent a forcible felony"...the bolded entails no personal injury at all...just a forcible felony, a carjacking for example.

It was not they who were laying on the ground being beaten. Any reasonable person in that position (laying on the ground being beaten) would BELIEVE they were having great bodily harm administered to them...would they not?

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 14:31 | Link to Comment garypaul
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Who told you most people who legally carry are far more rational than others? Where is your data? Zimmerman had applied to join the police force numerous times and was rejected each time because he failed the psych tests.

I see you've already got your cover story ready for when you shoot some other driver: He was swerving at me multiple times!!

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 18:39 | Link to Comment pods
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Most free thinking people would fail the cop psych test. I know I would. 

pods

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 22:04 | Link to Comment Raymond K Hessel
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You'd have to be fairly intelligent to fail the PD psych test.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 14:01 | Link to Comment Dangertime
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How about some guy pound your head on the concrete and break your news and we'll see how concerned you are?

 

Bottom line is that Trayvon was pummeling George, which is illegal.  He was in the process of causing serious injury and potentially grave injury.  George had a right to respond with greater force in order to protect his well-being.

 

Perhaps Trayvon should have assaulted someone who did not have the means to defend himself.

 

 

But overall the key part you miss is.....REASONABLY BELIEVED.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 14:33 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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Zimmerman did not respond with any greater force than Martin was using...  rather, Zimmerman simply used a different method of force.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 14:40 | Link to Comment garypaul
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Funny how the gun nuts, who are always preaching the right to bear arms, now consider a sidewalk to be equivalent to a gun. What hypocrites!

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 15:54 | Link to Comment noless
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Have you ever seen American history x?

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 14:38 | Link to Comment garypaul
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How about some guy approach you with a gun, and you can be armed with a sidewalk? Fair fight?

I am fully aware that you know you're bullshitting, but I just want to respond anyways.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 17:26 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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Really?  If you're wanting to make a fair comparison, shouldn't the guy "armed with a sidewalk" also get quite a few shots in + mounted position + continued pummelling?  I'm thinking that in many circumstances, the guy on top wins...

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 13:18 | Link to Comment mrdenis
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dint take long for the hip-hop gang ....https://twitter.com/Ruleyork

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:40 | Link to Comment Richard Chesler
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If Obama had a son he'd be a thug rightfully killed while committing a felonious act. Fuck you free shit army!

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:45 | Link to Comment economics9698
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I love that expression "free shit army" so appropriate.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:25 | Link to Comment max2205
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This is another 'gimmie a break' moment

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:17 | Link to Comment knukles
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If I had a son like George I'd hang his innocent ass.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:17 | Link to Comment remain calm
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The government appears to have pacified even the loser non productive part of society in that they are content with their food stamps, unemployment checks, disability checks and free healthcare that they feel no need to burn down a city for one of their own. Governments narcotic seems to be working.

 

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:58 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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So even good behavior on the part of black citizens must be looked at as a failing?

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:24 | Link to Comment remain calm
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No failing. The Governments heroin appears to be working. Societies vilolent element appers to be pacified with the cuurent prescription. When it seems to be not as effective then they will just need moar, and then the Bernanch will just print more dollars so Pelosi and Reed can dispense more heroin. It seems the government has the treatment plan for the stupid muchers of society. Now the plan to control the producers of society is not quite clear to me, yet.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:39 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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I support Martin and I'm not violent. Rep. Dennis Baxley who wrote the Stand Your Ground Law supported Martin and he's not violent. Your premise would appear to be flawed.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 13:57 | Link to Comment eatthebanksters
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I'm a white guy who grew up in Oaktown and know a little about racism.  It exists, but it only exists as a byproduct of the politics of division, and, the permissiveness and grorifcation of the gansta lifestyle. People only profile others when they fear them: whether the fear is physical or to their security.   Intead of aggressively confronting Zimmerman, if Trayvon had his hoodie down and smiled and said excuse me, can I ask why you are following me, he would probably be alive today.  ZImmerman obviously profied Trayvon, who had the appearance of a thug (notice I did not say black thug) in a gated community where he was not from and which had experienced an increase in crime.  When taken together, this is volatile mixture of ingredients.  When a young man becomes an aggressor instead of remaining neutral (or just leaving) then we see the tragic outcome.  Make no mistake, Trayvon's death was a tragedy, it was a result of rascist undertones, but Trayvon had a choice as well.  His death was unecessary, but after the case was heard by a jury of Zimmerman's peers (including a black woman) and the law was applied, he was aquitted..

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 15:00 | Link to Comment garypaul
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eatthebanksters, I disagree with your post but at least it was sane and rational so I want to point out some things you overlooked.

You can't blame Trayvon for "not smiling" because this incident happened in the dark. How polite would you be to a strange man following you in a car? Have you ever heard of cases of drive by shootings? Remember Trayvon was 15 years old and Zimmerman was not a uniformed police officer. Furthermore, how do you think Zimmerman was behaving towards Trayvon? Do you think he was being polite? Even if Trayvon had smiled, do you think Zimmerman would have returned the favor? You say Travyon had a choice, but again I ask you: if you BELIEVED that a strange man with a gun was pursuing you with the intent to harm you (which was indeed the case here), what would you do? You cannot just "leave" because he is following you. Would you try to defend yourself? If so, would that make you an aggressor? I just can't get over this 'stand your ground' law not applying to Trayvon but somehow applying to Zimmerman.

Not one of the trolls here admit to the fact that Trayvon was not committing any crimes but merely walking home.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 17:43 | Link to Comment Chuck Walla
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@garypaul

 

Plenty of hypotheticals that can't be answered. That's not an argument.  The area had had numerous break-ins, all by black males and along comes another little thug who likes to be tough and fight. Oh, and has a prior burglary suspicion since jewelry and a screw driver described by police as "a burglary tool" were found in his back pack by MDSO at school.. Tray said he was just "holding for a friend" and refused to divulge a name. 

If he hadn't decided to fight, but simply walked on, he would be alive today. Daddy should have taught him some basics, like don't fight unless you are sure of the odds.  Strangers are dangerous because you can't know what the opponents capabilities are.  Don't be a thug, its dangerous.

He made his decision and there were severe consequences. There are no winners here.  But self-defense isn't about winning, its about surviving. Zimmerman survived. The attacker did not.

 

FORWARD SOVIET!

 

 

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 14:35 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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Did Mr. Baxley know all of the facts of the case before pontificating on the applicability of the stand your ground law?  [aside from the obvious fact that the legislature does not get to interpret its laws given the separation of powers].

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:37 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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Quit trolling.

The simple fact is this, we can now separate the Treyvon Martin advocates between those guilty of jumping to conclusions too quickly and those who refuse to leave the sinking ship of ignorance.  It appears that you are the latter.

When Obama made his infamous "son" comment and the media frenzy began, people formed their conclusions about the matter.  The problem with this hasty approach is that all of the facts were not (and could) be known at the time.  The discovery process takes months, even in the most simple of case.  It is through this process (which is traditionally held close to the vest, especially in criminal cases) that we actually learn about the case.  The first time information, documentation, testimony, and arguments are made is often at trial...  while there is some degree of trial strategy that has to be made aware to the other side (so that the parties have a chance to argue over admissibility as well as to stipulate to introduction of evidence, among other things), how it actually plays out is always subject to the moment at trial.  (this is why we have trial...).  Ultimately, the jury had a really easy decision.  [I wouldn't even doubt it if Martin's estate loses a civil trial...  I'm not sure the prosecution even proved their case through a preponderance, let alone beyond a reasonable doubt].

The issue now is that people can either admit that they made an incorrect, hasty decision (telling us a lot about their thought processes and biases) or choose to live in denial, at all costs of credibility.  The choice is yours.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:40 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Quit trolling.

The herd appreciates your loyalty. Moooo!

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 14:27 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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If you want to ignore the fact that the jury knows more about the case than you, fine, but you do so at the expense of credibility.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 16:02 | Link to Comment noless
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This whole case was a non issue for me, i don't think it matters or proves anything.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 13:55 | Link to Comment eatthebanksters
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Racism occurs any time a  person changes their behavior when dealing with with a person of one color different than a person of another color.  Obama is a racist.  He let the black panthers that intimidated voters go free without a trial.  He jumped all over that cop before he actually knew the real story.  And he jumped the gun with Trayvon before he knew the facts. Quite simply, he s biased in favor of blacks.  To deny this is to close your eyes to his behavior.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 17:23 | Link to Comment Chuck Walla
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There is little left of value in their mono-cultural neighborhoods. Buring down burned out, condemned buildings is just pointless, unless you need to get warm or hide a body. But then pointless is what the ghetto and friends excels at.

 

FORWARD SOVIET!

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 13:13 | Link to Comment Dingleberry
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Guess I'll put my popcorn and marshmellows back in the cupboard.

Waiting patiently for the next media-induced, race-baiting sensationalistic yellow journalism trial.

 

Hopefully they can hype the next one with an actual white perp.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:21 | Link to Comment Bugsquasher
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But, but, but Jay-Z has a new album out and Beyonce is giving a concert!  Please stop by a get your Trayvon memorial hoodies, hats and t-shirts as you leave the arena.  Prices starting at only $19.95!

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:52 | Link to Comment BeaverFever
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The "white" Hispanic is found not guilty and the hoped for rioting does not occur as planned by the "white" negro occupant of the mosque-house. Crazy world.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:22 | Link to Comment johngaltfla
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Tyler, you don't mean "worst fears" you mean "best hope" as ABCCBSMSNBCNBCCNBCFNCCNN all needed riots for a ratings bump and that's not happening. Thus the racist promotions and hysterics in a mad desire to inspire riots and show that the MSM is still relevant.

 

Surprise, we don't watch the MSM much anymore.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:32 | Link to Comment CPL
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It's a good sign people are starting to wake up and not take the bait offered.  Every week MSM has something shocking that is so over scripted it would embarrass soap opera writers.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:47 | Link to Comment EhKnowKneeMass
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Shocking as this, I assume?

"Sum Ting Wong"

"Wi Tu Lo"

"Ho Lee Fuk"

"Bang Ding Ow"

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:07 | Link to Comment CPL
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That illustrates how MSM talking heads are really just egotistical parrots trapped in the illusion of fame instead of being the Shamus that bring us facts, news and information. 

Backstory:  The intern there wrote that into the Teleprompter then the news lady regurgitated everything said verbatim.  He was gloriously fired the same day and on 4chan gushing about his professional gaffe because apparently the newscaster was a complete bitch to the world and dumb as a box of hair. 

So he took a page out of the revenge book of fun and changed the script by asking 4chan what to write in.  Colour me not surprised at the outcome.  Hillarity ensued.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:51 | Link to Comment imapopulistnow
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Why can't we just laugh instead of getting all wadded up in PC victimizing?  That punking was funnier than hell. 

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:19 | Link to Comment Never One Roach
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Asians are outraged. I bet they are already protesting, turning cars over and burning things in Laguna Niguel and Irvine. You know how wild those Asian-Americans get.

Of course, they'll have to put down their books going for their 3rd PhD so they can express their anger at this insult.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:49 | Link to Comment Dr. Bonzo
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Nah, the way Asians show outrage is to max out the LSAT/GMAT/GRE... get their JD/MD/MBA then take you to the cleaners for all your worth.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 13:35 | Link to Comment johngaltfla
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Wrong again. They hack your cell phone and broadcast videos of you and your girlfriend/wife having sex all over the internet. Then destroy your credit rating.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 13:57 | Link to Comment Pool Shark
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Just like the WASPS that burned down Santa Monica and Brentwood when that mostly black jury walked the black murderer of a white female.

If Ronald Goldman had a son...

 

 

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:37 | Link to Comment thecoloredsky
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Top 6 Media Dickheads

1. Piers Morgan
2. Sean Hannity
3. Bill O'Reilly
4. Rachel Maddow
5. Chris Matthews
6. All the bitches on The View

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:53 | Link to Comment imapopulistnow
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I'd put the ABV's in first place.  Just my "crazy AC" opinion.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:03 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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Where does Wolf Blitzer in the Situation Room rank?

He is King of the Douchebags.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:28 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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Ranking turds is always tricky.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:52 | Link to Comment Smegley Wanxalot
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Freshness, smell, liquidity, and corn content are basic standards most use.  That ranking is about right.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 16:22 | Link to Comment nc551
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You have to use the Katie 'Couric' scale ala southpark.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:59 | Link to Comment A is A
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I would switch out Sean Hannity with Ed Schultz.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:04 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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 I don't think only the media is "secretly" longing for some lawbreaking.

 Having the police use their military weaponry in Boston-"Strong" lockdowns would surely suit the higher ups and their fawning lackeys.

 

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:05 | Link to Comment Totentänzerlied
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Paul "Broken Windows" Krugman

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:19 | Link to Comment knukles
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Surprise lots of other folks quitting watching, too.

When this is all over, CNBS will have the best ratings as folks have it on with the volume off just to catch the titters...  er, I mean tickers....

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:40 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Anyone watching TV and Hollywood's crap support it.  Unplug those corrupt ***ks.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:22 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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Is it really that shocking that our entire nation is not ablaze over what would otherwise be a commonplace shooting trial?

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:03 | Link to Comment Everyman
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This ain't over, not by a long stretch.  Think about all the church services going on today in those communities (so called black liberation churches) that think justice was not carried out.   Pretty sure the worst is to come, ad it will be "diluted" and we will not know the trend until we see the uptick in the homicide pattern, "wilding" events and flash mobs. 

I am VERY curious as to why there were all those flash mobs and tearing stuff up last year, and now... nothing?  A cop car and a few trash cans?  Nooo, there is more coming, and it will be diffuse and ugly.

I do not want to see this, but I am a realist, and that level and amount of anger WILL be channeled.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:08 | Link to Comment drunkenlout
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Don't worry so much about the people getting ready to leave church in the Eastern cities.  Gang-bangers are just waking up in the East, and in LA, they're souind asleep.  On Sunday, many stores are closed and undefended.  The looting oppportunity still has twenty hours to run in most of the country.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:49 | Link to Comment flapdoodle
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That dog won't hunt.

The incompetent Obama administration probably figured the Trayvon case was a great way to go after guns but picked a flawed case.

Valerie Jarrett just isn't as skilled as Goebbels was - even with the MSM parroting TPTB's line along with the professional agitatators Sharpton/Jackson, the case was weak and deep down anyone with half a brain realized they were being conned to demonize Zimmerman... the picture on Drudge of Zimmerman with a bloody nose says it all, and would give pause to even stupid people, whether black or white...

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:22 | Link to Comment infinity8
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Thank you, baby jesus, for the fresh un-skinny canvas but please - let the next one be about anything except this case. And also, please let crokett be sleeping it off for at least the next 24 hours.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:23 | Link to Comment Mugatu
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Zimmerman's brother tore apart Piers Morgan in that interview.  I have had a hard time figuring out which side I am on in this one but Zimmerman's brother was amazing.  Very few common people can go on TV in a debate type atmosphere with a trained TV commentator and blow them away.  It was impressive.  I am sure others noticed it too and that guy may end up on some channel in the future.  He was a natural.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:32 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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Just watched the clips, above.  You're right.  He is an impressive individual.  Clear-headed, rational and unshakable.  He also obviously has some depth since he seemed to clearly delineate the difference between US and English justice systems, to Piers' chagrin (a subject I couldn't possible debate him on).  I would be proud to have him as my brother.

 

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:47 | Link to Comment jbvtme
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or son?

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:45 | Link to Comment Freddie
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I do not watch TV (crap) but from the clips with Robert Z - he is impressive.  He has been the most articulate defender of his brother.   It is nice to see his brother doing such a great job standing up for George.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:11 | Link to Comment Ignorance is bliss
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"I have had a hard time figuring out which side i am on" that's exactly what TPTB want. They want you focused on B.S. that divides the nation, and not on war, oil, jobs, fraud, and all the shit Obama and his administration represent to the American people and our way of life. There is no side in this tragic outcome. Unfortunately, America's masses are too stupid to see that. If you are not the top 1% then we are all in the same boat floating down denial.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:35 | Link to Comment berlinjames02
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Mugatu.... I agree. I'm not sure where I stand either. Am I glad courts must prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt? This is a good thing but it doesn't mean justice is always served. Shoot, look at anther high-profile case- OJ Simpson. That was pre-medidated, there was DNA evidence, but OJ still walked because of the race card. I'm sure the pro-Treyvon crowd would say, 'But that's different'. BFD. It's only different if you're on the giving or receiving end of the shit stick. Gotta love the ignorance of people.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:03 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Alan Dershowitz supported both OJ and Zimmerman. Support for one is not necessarily exclusive of support for the other.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 14:19 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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I seriously don't even know who the fuck 'Alan Dershowitz' is or why I should be interested in HIS opinion [over mine]...

~~~

Got an explanation 4 me?...

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 18:25 | Link to Comment berlinjames02
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Dude, Alan Dershowitz isn't exactly who I had in mind when I wrote my statement. I was thinking about Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and all these other racists that continually believe the black man is being oppressed by cornflake.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:34 | Link to Comment TrulyBelieving
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Zimmermans brother is very good in that interview, not so much because of his excellent articulation, but because he is right.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:24 | Link to Comment blabam
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From the Piers interview "He is still processing the reality or notion of being a free man" I lol'd.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:25 | Link to Comment Eugend66
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IM not so HO justice was served! So there.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:26 | Link to Comment jon dough
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The herd was restless.

They soon returned to their grazing.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 14:49 | Link to Comment Big Corked Boots
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Twinkies coming back in stores soon.

 

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:27 | Link to Comment robochess
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Give it a while... Sharpton on his way down to Fla. to do what he does best.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:30 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Washington D.C. (the FEDs) and mainstream media SUCK at inciting riots.

Mexicans and Blacks are too busy with their lives to be conned by DC into  fighting one another.

Back to the Scandals. Impeach Obama. Arrest Eric Holder.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:58 | Link to Comment TeamDepends
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No!!!  Obama must be indicted for TREASON.  Impeachment is, in real terms, a slap on the wrist and would allow his laws, executive orders, and disastrous policies to stand!

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:50 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Well the media will now push hardon the House GOP to cave on amnesty.  If O gets amnesty - he is home free. 

Zimmerman/Trayvon may get a DOJ civil right case against Zimmerman or it will be dropped.  My guess is it goes away because it might alienate hispanics.  The evil media can keep saying "white" hispanic but they guy looks like many hispanic people.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:28 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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The truth as I see it is that two males, each invested in performing a particular male identity, made some bad choices. Each had a right to be doing what they were doing. Each had things about what they were doing that made them "suspects." No one had it in him to do what he needed to do to stand that thing down. Trayvon wants to be a tough thug young man who does not take shit from folks, not a kid who is scared of the man following him. George is a cop wanna be who feels punked by the fact that his neighborhood isn't safe. Each sees the other as a threat. 

If I am George and I am on the bottom, I shoot. All the choices he made to get himself on the bottom don't matter, it is live or die.

Mom has to hang on to the story that this was an injustice. The other story, that her son was drifting into this culture (burglary and more), is too overwhleming because that may mean this is her fault.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:35 | Link to Comment jon dough
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You always make sense. I'll bet that upsets many.

Thanks for your continuing thoughtfulness.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:04 | Link to Comment imapopulistnow
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I agree with your suppositions. 

I would add that the concealed weapon made GZ more confident to track TM (assuming he did) and TM, not knowing that GZ carried a concealed weapon, made him more confident to "pound and ground".  As with many things, there is not a simple solution to prevent what happened from happening again. 

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:16 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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The truth as I see it is that this shit goes on everyday, everywhere, & since the beginning of time... It's actually not even very RARE...

~~~

It's no different, really, than 'cockfighting'... Put two roosters into confined space together & watch them go at it... So the only DIFFERENCE is whether or not to make a 'sport' out of it complete with alcohol, bookies, & ginned up gamblers...

 

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:47 | Link to Comment jbvtme
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will one or the other rooster be black and/or armed?

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:14 | Link to Comment KickIce
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Why would you exclude black people, wouldn’t that be racist?

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:59 | Link to Comment KickIce
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Now you’re talking, we need a colosseum.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 14:17 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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bread & circuses bitchez...

~~~

[those who are prone to 'junk' that comment ought to take a hard look at their daily 'bets' on Wall St., whether they are 'client based' or for their own leisure & entertainment]...

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 17:49 | Link to Comment KickIce
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Going back to your original post, we've already got it with MMA.   But yeah, Wall St to sports we'll bet on damn near anything.

Ever watch the movie "The Condemned?"

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:38 | Link to Comment greatbeard
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>> The truth as I see it

That's about as clear and concise analysis of the situation as I've seen.  I wish I could elucidate my thoughts as clearly.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:55 | Link to Comment jbvtme
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i assume the gun was concealed.  how do you "draw" it if you are on the bottom? you'd think that if martin was such a good fighter (proficient enough to pin zim),  then he would be adept enough to deflect zim's efforts to get to his gun and then raise it to fire?

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:58 | Link to Comment Coast Watcher
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Are you really that ignorant or are you just trolling?

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:06 | Link to Comment jbvtme
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they're questions, frat boy.  try answering them. also, was there blood on zim's clothing and where?

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:09 | Link to Comment imapopulistnow
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Just conjecture, but the most dangerous period of time during the fight would have been if & when Martin let up while Zimmerman was still in a "fear for my life mode".   Zimmerman could finally reach for his gun and shoot, unaware that the pounding had ended..

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:54 | Link to Comment jbvtme
Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:06 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Stop questioning what you are supposed to think. The herd will be angry.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 14:02 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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OMG!!! A second shooter? Is there a grassy knoll? A school repository nearby?

 

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 14:40 | Link to Comment Lost Word
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Photo of Martin dead on the ground did not show any blood either.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:01 | Link to Comment jon dough
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Right, you don't get it so it can't be so.

So, how is it there in Flatland, Mr. A. Square?

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:02 | Link to Comment Oldwood
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If someone were sitting on top of you, beating the crap out of you and you had a gun on you, where would you shoot them, the ankle? Travon was shot in the chest at close range. If I was losing in hand to hand combat and had a gun in my pocket, the only thing on my mind would be to get at that gun any way I could. None of us were there. we will never know, so all that is left is to allow this tragedy to become a blank canvass for us to display our biases and beliefs, as the media and our government had intended. But as always, we are free to assume that anyone who does not agree with us is an idiot AND racist.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:18 | Link to Comment Boondocker
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Assuming GZ was carrying in a belt hster or a pocket, and TM is punching his head it would be easy to draw and fire...

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:20 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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jbvtime:  Derp-derp.

If you think you are an invulnerable tough guy gang-banger and you're on top of a guy pounding him with your fists you don't exactly notice the guy pull the gun out of his pocket.  Not much aiming required if someone is on top of you.  Your supposition supports Zimmerman and self-defense.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:20 | Link to Comment Iam_Silverman
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"how do you "draw" it if you are on the bottom?"

Good question, and totally indicative of someone who does not carry concealed, or has ever had much (or any) exposure to firearms use and training.

Here's a start - "concealed" doesn't mean inaccessible.  Try looking up youtube videos for "drawing from concealed".  Also, look into a good forward cant OWB holster, or some of the better IWB holsters.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:07 | Link to Comment imbrbing
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"If I am George and I am on the bottom, I shoot. All the choices he made to get himself on the bottom don't matter, it is live or die."

ding ding ding

They both made stupid choices that created that scenerio. But once in it, the law was on GZ's side, period.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:10 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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But the author of the Stand Your Ground Law disagrees. Period.

 

BAXLEY: Well, simply because if you carefully read the statute, which most of the critics have not, and read the legislative analysis, there's nothing in this statute that authorizes you to pursue or confront other people. If anything, this law would have protected the victim in this case; it could have.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:40 | Link to Comment TomGa
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This was not a "Stand Your Ground" case.  They skipped the SYG hearing and went straight to trial as a Self Defense case.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:50 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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It was not a SYG case because Zimmerman didn't meet that standard. But according to the author of the law Martin did meet the standard and defended himself in accordance with the law. Zimmerman's plea has nothing to do with Martin's legal right to self defense.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:52 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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Perhaps, when viewed in a vacuum.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:56 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Equal protection under the law demands that extraneous circumstances such as the skin color of the victim and assailant are irrelevant. Call that a vacuum if you like.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 13:59 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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So, this is about race after all?

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 14:13 | Link to Comment TomGa
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Martin gave up any valid claim to a SYG defenese as soon as he initiated the violence in what was up until then a non-violent situation. Granted, he may of thought GZ was preparing to draw down on him, but he gave up any right to claim "self defense" the moment he started an offensive, rather than defensive, attack by straddeling the downed Zimmerman and pummeling him "MMA style."

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:41 | Link to Comment Iam_Silverman
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"But the author of the Stand Your Ground Law disagrees. Period."

If G. Zimmerman was acting under the color of the SYG law, he would not have been charged.  And that is probably why the Grand Jury was dismissed after a preliminary poll showed that no True Bill would be handed down.

Both actors were in a place where they both had the right to be.  Let's suppose that TM decided that he would "SYG" and confront GZ.  All he had to do was accost him verbally and then use the phone he had to call 911 and report the incident.  Just being followed in a public area DOES NOT give the right to physically assault someone.  Period.  According to the accepted story, TM decided he would aggressively confront GZ for whatever reason (THC, bravado?).  That was a bad decision, as the results proved.

Once someone physically assaults you, and you have fear for your life or reasonably believe that you could sustain great harm, then you have the right of self defense.  This is outside of the SYG law, and has been a part of jurisprudence for centuries.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:58 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Zimmerman said that Martin asked "Do you have a problem?" Zimmerman then said no and reached for his cellphone. Of course Martin had no idea what Zimmerman was reaching for and we know that Zimmerman was armed.

If someone had chased you first by vehicle and then on foot, refused to explain his action and looked like he was about to draw down on you would you really just stand around debating with him?

 

Once someone physically assaults you, and you have fear for your life or reasonably believe that you could sustain great harm, then you have the right of self defense.

 

As the instigator Zimmerman lost his legal right to self defense. Can I pick a fight with you and then shoot you on the grounds that you fought back?

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 14:47 | Link to Comment Iam_Silverman
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"Can I pick a fight with you and then shoot you on the grounds that you fought back?"

So, now you're saying that GZ struck TM first?  That would be "picking the fight" part.  No, if you read/heard the testimony, TM waited for GZ to turn and then outflanked him.  There were no injuries to GZ hands, and that is consistant with him NOT having struck TM.

Just running your mouth doesn't constitute the initiation of physical assault.  TM was the agressor.  You just don't want to admit that, do you?

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 11:25 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Choices were made by all, bad though they were, no one chose for them.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 12:41 | Link to Comment gatorengineer
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there is an assumption that mom cares.......  fatal flaw

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 13:04 | Link to Comment jbvtme
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if zim is on the bottom and shoots trev in the heart, why no blood on zim's clothes?  http://www.theroot.com/blogs/grapevine/zimmerman-trial-twitter-weighs-te...

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 14:48 | Link to Comment Lost Word
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Photo of Martin dead on the ground shows no blood either.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 13:27 | Link to Comment NumberNone
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You got it.  This was the clash of two different worlds.  

In the white community Zimmerman was brought up in, a pussy like himself could bolster his 'street cred' by rolling around a low crime neighborhood like a bad-ass with his pistol in his pocket.  In the white community when they face confrontation their first instinct is not to knock the mother fucker out.  Typically a white person may get angry at a confrontation but do not assume violence is in the cards so they do not get physically aggressive.  Zimmerman knew this and felt safe in his actions and confrontations.  He thought Trayvon would act in the manner that he was familiar with and if anything did go down, Zimmerman had the neighbors to get his back. 

Trayvon on the other hand knew violence and knew how to be violent.  In his community confrontation  meant something completely different.  When Zimmerman confronted him, the response was going to be something completely different than what Zimmerman was expecting.  When he threw the first punch Zimmerman wet his pants and panicked i.e. 14 cries for help.  

Zimmerman should have stayed in the car like the cops told him to.  Instead he trodded out like a bad-ass to make a confrontation that he knew in the white community would never lead to violence.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 18:09 | Link to Comment MisterMousePotato
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"When Zimmerman confronted him ... ." (Day 15,058 of my captivity on Planet Stupid)

How could you, or anyone else who dares to offer an opinion on this subject, fail to understand that there is no evidence whatsoever to support your twisted version of the facts? In fact, every bit of evidence shows that Martin 'confronted' Zimmerman.

Similarly: "Zimmerman should have stayed in the car like the cops told him to." This is also not a true statement by ANYONE'S account.

I mean, not that I really expect very much from someone who spells "trotted" as "trodded," but even so.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:29 | Link to Comment quasimodo
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Listen to me as I play a sad tune on the worlds smallest violin that the MSM has little to report on for riots. Hope they have good cancellation policies on all those rooms they have booked. 

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:29 | Link to Comment presk_eel_pundit
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WWRDD? What would Reginald Denny do?

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:30 | Link to Comment Bangin7GramRocks
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All the filthy racists on here must be sooooo bummed!

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:44 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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fuck off- I shower daily( which is more than I can say for the protestors)

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 14:21 | Link to Comment TWSceptic
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Actually the racism in this case is exclusively on the left, i.e. the people behind Martin. They see the color and change their minds based on it, we here on ZH only see two people. One a gangster that started a fight and got shot, one a guy that fired a gun in self defence.

This whole thing would've never be in the news if Martin would've been white. The media only cares about it if there's a black person killed. That is racism. You're probably a racist based on your comment as well.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 14:52 | Link to Comment Lost Word
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Only if a white person killed a black person, or other minority.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:50 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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 Shakespeare wrote
"The evil men do lives after them, the good is oft interred with their bones.."

We are still paying for the many years of Jim Crow "law".
Up until 50 years ago, the US was an officially apartheid state.
No wonder minorities distrust the law as much if not more than whites.

Prohibition II (the "war" on drugs) is the current most blatant version of "Jim Crow" law.

Just as Prohibition I had to be reversed, so too must Prohibition II be ended.

We will remain a nation divided so long as unfair laws, lack of jobs, TBTF scams, and jingoist wars continue.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 14:55 | Link to Comment Lost Word
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Racism exists everywhere in this world. Don't blame US only.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 10:31 | Link to Comment fijisailor
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muppet distraction

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