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Israeli Subs Destroy Russian Missiles In Syria; Russia Holds Largest Post-Soviet Military Drill
While the (chemical) dust over Syria has yet to settle, one country is not waiting around before in tried and true fashion it kicks the proverbial hornets nest. Only this time the recipient of Israeli aggression is not some small country that can hardly afford to defend itself against made in the US, state-of-the-art weapons: it is Russia, if only indirectly. Last Friday, July 5, in the fog of the Egyptian coup, a contingent of 50 Russian-made Yakhont P-800 anti-ship missiles at the Syrian port-city of Latakia was destroyed. It has since become clear that the attack was launched by none other than an Israeli Dolphin-class (German-made) submarine according to a report in the British Sunday Times, which in turn contradicts a previous report that the attack had been the work of the Israeli air force.
Furthermore, the alleged Israeli naval strike was closely coordinated with the United States. While this open aggression on Russian interests in Syria for now remains unchallenged, one wonder what happens when the news hits that US-made weapons supporting Syrian "rebels" have been mysteriously blown up by Russian rockets and how furious the public outcry would be against such an open Russian provocation.
From Jerusalem Post:
According to the report, the Israeli fleet of German-built submarines launched a cruise missile at the weapons cache after which Syrian rebels reportedly attested to hearing early-morning explosions at a Syrian port-side naval barracks.
On Friday, anonymous US officials told CNN that Israel had carried out an air strike on the Syrian city.
Three unnamed US officials told CNN the IAF had targeted Russian-made Yakhont anti-ship missiles that could pose a threat to Israel.
Qassem Saadeddine, spokesman for the Free Syrian Army’s Supreme Military Council, said the pre-dawn attack hit Syrian Navy barracks at Safira, near the port of Latakia. The rebel forces’ intelligence network had identified newly supplied Yakhont missiles being stored there, he said.
“It was not the FSA that targeted this,” Saadeddine told Reuters. “It is not an attack that was carried out by rebels. This attack was either by air raid or long-range missiles fired from boats in the Mediterranean.”
A loud explosion was heard near Latakia on Wednesday, an opposition monitoring group said, but the cause of the blast was unclear.
Fast forward one week when we learn that in a perfectly unrelated event, a massive military drill involving naval forces, strategic bomber aircraft, missile-defense teams, tactical and strategic missiles, infantry, and armored vehicles took place in Russia's far east: a perfectly unrelated exercise that just happens to have 160,000 soliders, 1,000 tanks, 130 aircraft and 70 naval vessels that has been classified as the largest of its kind in the post-Soviet period.
An unspecified number of Tu-95MS strategic nuclear bomber aircraft reportedly were being readied for combat missions at an airbase in the Amur region. An armored brigade with some 100 tanks made a 1,100-kilometer rail journey from Buryatia to the Tsugol testing ground in Chita Oblast.
Tank commander Dmitry Manyukin told the Russian TV news station Rossia 24 on July 14 that his company's final objectives in the exercise had not yet been issued in order to test the ability of Russian troops to respond quickly to freshly received orders.
"The peculiarity [of this drill] is that [although] we deployed here 24 hours ... it hasn't yet been disclosed to us where we will move from here and what we will be ordered to accomplish," he said.
According to Manyukin, the emphasis on being prepared for rapid deployment was being emphasized by the Defense Ministry in Moscow.
"Since the appointment of the new Defense Minister [Sergei Shoigu], combat readiness has been treated very seriously," he said. "Very strict demands have been put in place for combat readiness ever since."
The 83rd Airborne Brigade has been ordered from its base in Ussuriisk to Sakhalin Island, where an amphibious assault will be carried out in coordination with assault ships "Oslyabya" and "Nikolai Vilkov" assault ships.
A mobile radiation, chemical, and biological defense brigade has also been taking part in the exercise.
And speaking of hands on...
Putin has said he might personally participate in the drill, which is scheduled to end on July 20.
Surely this news alone, even in the absence of GDP-boosting riots, should be enough to send the S&P futures to 1,700 in tonight's upcoming Kevin Henry inspired, low volume melt-up ramp.
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The Zimmerman verdict, gas approaching $4+gallon and now this?
Thank God we have a strong economy....
"how furious the public outcry would be against such an open Russian provocation."
Didn't you mean to say the "how furious the manufactured propaganda of an outcry against such an open Russian provocation?"
I don't think we have an actual common defense agreement/commitment with Israel nor are they in NATO, so Russia would be deterred from using nukes by the Israeli nukes and "only" conventional counterstrikes would be possible.
At first glance, I read your comment as "I dont think we have actual common sense..."
It worked that way too.
Is this war about oil or religion?
Only the 'elite Bangladeshi' know the answer to that question
Both.
power and control
Its about Israel's survival, which is inevitably, at the end of its time line. The US needs to hedge accordingly and rapprochement with Iran is the only viable option.
Its about Israel's survival, which is inevitably, at the end of its time line. The US needs to hedge accordingly and rapprochement with Iran is the only viable option.
IMHO, Israel is not going anywhere,regardless of who attacks them,ever.Woe unto those who come against them,we could be witnessing the TRUE last days beginning.IF they are attacked directly and or invaded by Russians,we will see the wrath of God like never witnessed before or again.Jerusalem is the apple of God's eye, and for the remnant of HIS chosen people,Israel will never again be conquered by any nations armies.And the US WILL come to their defense,and all hell breaks loose.
Does God give Israel carte blanche to commit unlimited evil?
If Dos Zap thinks a bunch of fags in the Army are coming to Israel's defense, he's in for a big surprise.
The United States is the New Israel of Bible prophecy.
Good shooting.
Putin to particpate in the drill. Putin must see himself as a new age Nepolian. Beware.
at least with gays now allowed in the military Obolwelmovement can participate in US drills. the russians have always considered themselves as looked down upon by W Europe and there is a lot of validity to that. also- who the fuck is Nepolian?
. "who the fuck is Nepolian"
Yet another victim of the US public education system.
He invented a wonderful pastry.
I thought it was striped ice cream..
I think he was a Roamin' Emperor.
Yeah, the one that lived in Wadderlou.
The one who threw up bread on lions and then joined a circus.
Naled thet won!
Ah see wut u did thar
there have been worse inventions. "make ice cream not war!"
I like Neopolitan ice cream.
varry cleaver
I believe you missed the misspelling that Otto was pointing out...rightly so BTW.
Napoleon is the correct spelling
Must be too young to have seen "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure". Love the waterpark scenes!
A guy from that small Himalayan country of Nepol?
My leg gets all tinglie and my nepols hard just thinking about whatever it was we were thinking about.
I totally get that...
Yeah, that's it - Putin has a Nepolian complex - he's about to invade Russia...
Why would Putin want to be Napoleon, he was a loser, got his ass kicked in Russia in the 1812 war, a lesson even Adolf Hitler was aware of but still failed.
Russian winter kicked their ass.
Fixed it for you.
Leo Tolstoy didn't agree. The spirit of le Grande Armee was broken before winter kicked in.
Why would Putin want to be from Naples? Italy or Florida?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkVijd9g_Hk
The reality for Israel is grim and the Zionist regime knows it, hence these increasingly desperate attempts, like a wretched spoiled child, to attract attention to itself. The response will be complex and unexpected though I believe Israeli commerce will be subject to a massive cyber and media attack during key dates for its economy.
With respect to arms shipments to the FSA, the author is correct, they will be impeded. The FSA are a spent force and will in all likelihood turn on their Qatari, Israeli and Saudi sponsors at the first opportunity.
The Dimona Doomsday Machine is Israel's only real bargaining chip, but they're psychotic enough to actually use it.
Putin knows this, Assad knows this, everyone who is anyone knows this.
They used it two years ago. Check out who was in charge of "security" for TEPCO at Fuckyoushima. The gift that just keeps on giving. In these days of miniaturization, their security cameras weighed 500 kilos. Now rumors that the MOX spent plutonium rods caught fire. We may all be dead men walking.
Security for the U.S. nuclear stockpile is handled by an Israeli company.
Putin is wearing a dress these days by buclking in.
If Putin want's to screw Israel they would do a blockade.
This isn't checkers Yogi.
Russians are superb chess players- a game of cunning and planning many moves ahead.
Yes, usually, but not always. For example(s), the Russians didn't plan very well when they made the traitor Gorbi the top boss. That was a monumental screwup made even worse when they installed that perpetually drunk common street bum Yeltsin as the "leader."
And you're sure about this.
do a little research on Yeltsin and you'll see he was a CIA/ zionist puppet.
Russians .... clever .... name me one Russian, world class restaurant chain .... like McDonalds ?
McRussiantearoom
You're right - they only do small stuff like Gazprom.
Ray Kroc's father was Bohemian, does that count?
source - CIA er, Wikipedia
I am guessing the strings got tangled or broken then. Shit, you can't throw dart at a government phone book anywhere on the planet and not hit one. Present and accounted for is not the same as effective.
The US and Israel needs to be very careful about Syria and the middle east in general. By Israel being aggressive during internal political turmoil it's crossing the border. Up until now Israel has shown admirable constraint (thanks to the US state department).
China would also team up with Russia. It would be very easy for the Obama administration to misjudge it's international liberty.
“What time is it?” Yogi.
“You mean now?”
LOL
classic
Butthurt Israeli's forced to sneak in like bitches because they are scared of some Russian Tech.
Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy boooooo boo. Wazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzamatta boooooo boo.
It gets late early this time of year.
Agreed, Uncle Remus. It is a chess game, and the pawns are all still on the board.
What I find puzzling is Putin's forbidding Snowden from continuing to release secrets as a condition for assylum. I keep trying to figure out what I am missing in this.
A diplomatic CYA card is my guess. Putin can play hard ball with the best of them and he knows it, but it isn't called for here. I am guessing Russia is more like China with regards to regional vs. global hegemony; lessons the US government would do well to learn before it gets hoisted by it's own petard.
Amen.
The cascade of foolish decisions made by our fearless leaders is astounding.
snowden is a fake, a psy-op set up by western intelligence, and Putin knows. He is trying to avoid being used as a bit actor in the game.
Being fake doesn't preclude useful. Take the Office of POTUS as an example.
I agree with your proposition that he helps Snowie under the false pretense of being a good guy. Then Mother Russia downloads all Snowie's intel and gets to review it first as a quid pro quo for his amnesty. Snowie flies on to elsewhere and once out of Mommie Russkia's arms continues to release and embarrass Hummerika after MuthaBBBrushka has made preps, done their dirty that they may do in preparation for release and response to releases.
Great chess plays.
they get the "inside info", look like good guys all around and Snowie goes riding into the sunset continuing to embarrass HummeriKia...
Win win all around except for the New Normal's Evil Empire.
Booyah, muthafuckas
And Putin isn't without his own blowback problems.
"What I find puzzling is Putin's forbidding Snowden from continuing to release secrets as a condition for assylum. I keep trying to figure out what I am missing in this."
Handler - "The nice man from the GRU is here to talk with you and keep you company. You will make polite conversation in turn. We are sorry your cell phone does not work in Moscow. We are simiple mountain people. It is unfortunate you are in our dear motherland illegally and no one will offer you asylum. You will talk to the GRU man, and tell him your sorrows. See....Mr Snowden has agreed to not release secrets as a conditon of his asylum! It is goot we are all friends here."
"This is good."
Yes, I think that may be right. The Russians want all his info for themselves. Once made public, the value has an accelerated half-life. Better for them that they contol any disclosure of America's dastardly deeds, and keep the valuable secrets for themselves only.
Thanks for the clarity.
"This isn't checkers Yogi."
Steal their picnic baskets. It's the only way to be sure.
Beware of the asymetric response - an overt response isn't always the most damaging... also watch for a dramatic and "unexpected" improvement in accuracy from Hezbollah rockets aimed at Israeli targets...
Israel must be drunk.
Shoah Kool-Aid ... one cup'll do ya ...
The Russians have a right to be angry, after the 70 years of Bolshevik hell they were subjected to.
Bolshevism is largely a Jewish product.
Even Russian President Vladimir Putin said during a visit to the Jewish Museum and Tolerance Center in Russia that the decision to nationalize Schneerson library, a decision surrounded by never ending scandals, was made in the 1920s by the first Soviet government, 80 to 85 percent of whose members were Jews.
Trotsky was the Rothschild bagman for financing the Bolshevik revolution. This is common knowledge outside the USSA over the past 15 years. Was also common knowledge while it was taking place during WWI.
http://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=FinalWarning&C=7.3
Certainly, the terms "Bolshevik", "marxist", "socialist", and "communist" are fairly interpreted to refer to those hominids who wage war against Christianity, wage war against the gentile family, and wage war against gentiles' private property.
No question.
That fucking Qatar pipeline gots to have a limit as to its value no?
A world without people ain't going to need no pipelines -- fools.
No.
It means to Europe it's future survivability in Cold Winters...(Remember the lesson gave to Ukraine)
No Pipeline... Russia controls the existing pipes of Nat. Gas.
This includes the UK.
Can we get back to fun stories about Goldman banksters gettin' KO'd in NYC? This shit is way scary.
I'm thinking bitch-slapped into unconsciousness would have been so, how you say, fitting.
Why would they crowd 50 missiles together like that to be blown up all at once? Sort of like lining up the old battleships at Pearl Harbor to be easily sunk.
Fishin' is easy with the right bait.
Plywood. Works every time.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/09/underwear-bomber-working-for-cia
'Underwear bomber' was working for the CIABomber involved in plot to attack US-bound jet was working as an informer with Saudi intelligence and the CIA, it has emerged
Another conspiracy theory confirmed as fact.
Old news
yep...
Was known within days when info and pic/vids surfaced of US embassy people helping underwareboy onto airplane at boarding gate without passport, etc.
Like uh, duh?
Was he supposed to succeed or fail? Or did it not matter?
If you accept that his mission was to get the scanners installed at US airports; the scanners made by Chertoff's company - Chertoff then the head of Homeland Security - well, yes it was an outstanding success.
It's ALL old news if you already know it.
That does NOT mean that it isn't NEW news to those who didn't know it.
It bears repeating since about 90% DON'T know it was another psyop.
Stories like that should run every 6 months, picking up people who are newly awaken.
Is the Guardian trying to get itself blacklisted and consigned to oblivion?
It's been unusually truthy-as-in-truthiness (for a definitively mainstream publication, anyway) lately...
Perhaps looking at a seat at the table in the longer sweep of history.
Why go down with the ship when you can be the tragic hero in the story.
"'Underwear bomber' was working for the CIA"
Definitely a CIA gnome.
Bankers need war so they can justify the armaments it takes to print money for themselves.
Tommy Vu recipe to makahlockamoney:
1. Arm to teeth
2. Point guns for terrorize populace
3. Print money for safety of terrorized populace
4. GOTO 1
1. Start War
2. ?
3. Profit!
The Japs shitting themselves yet?
All their equipment moving east? Some thing going on in North Korea?
Most of Russia's strategic military ops are mistakenly viewed as focused on the US. It goes unsaid that they have a rapidly declining population, vast amounts of empty space in the East, and a growing, billion-person nation that would love a chance to grab some of that space.
What you write would be true if both Russia and China didn't view the USSA as a far greater threat than they view each other.
Russia's birth rate has recovered. China's population is decreasing under the one-child policy.
"All their equipment moving east? Some thing going on in North Korea?'
Preemptive fallback
Nikita Khrushchev backed down when American power confronted the Soviets over a missile crisis within America’s zone. Putin is not Nikita Khrushchev and the Syrian area where a civil war takes place is in Russia’s zone.
Israel’s action, if confirmed, would underscore the foolish and irresponsible relationship America has had with Israel over the years. And make no mistake, Israeli aggression drags America into the conflict on the side of the aggressor.
In Syria’s civil war, the United States has taken a side and clearly Russia will be solidified in taking the opposite side. And this crisis is precipitated by a tiny, foolish country armed to the teeth by its patron and mad beyond any modern standard of states craft.
At this moment, when Russia contemplates temporary asylum for Edward Snowden, the entire intelligence network of the United States is on the line, perhaps including vast information on the Mossad’s activities concerning the American government. And Netanyahu’s maniacal warmongering may be the spark that blows the American Empire apart. At the very least, a phone call from Putin to the White House can now achieve incredible progress in putting America in its place as the blackmail flag can now be raised.
And the Congress of the United States only has itself to blame.
the Republican controlled Congress has backed off giving aid to the Syrian rebels interestingly enough. the last time we had a showdown like was of course in 1982: http://www.airpower.au.af.mil/airchronicles/apj/apj89/win89/hurley.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Soviet_nuclear_false_alarm_incident again i will be keeping an eye on Wall Street's response. "blessed are the cheesemakers." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg2GVWHGKY
That Khrushchev "backed down" is part of the western media bullshit history. Here is a cut from Wikipedia:
On October 27, after much deliberation between the Soviet Union and Kennedy's cabinet, Kennedy secretly agreed to remove all missiles set in southern Italy and in Turkey, the latter on the border of the Soviet Union, in exchange for Khrushchev removing all missiles in Cuba.[77]
The idea about getting IRBM's as close as possible to opposition targets comes from the idea that it gives the opposing country much less time to launch their own missiles upon learning of a nuclear attack. Krushchev was worried that the US advantage from launching from Italy and especially Turkey would inspire the "hawks" to go for a first strike. So he decided to put the missles in Cuba to neutralize the advantage. The idea that they were to stop a USA renewed invasion attempt is ridiculous on the face of it. As a matter of fact, Khrushev actually came out ahead with the withdrawal of the US missiles from Italy and Turkey. That was what he wanted all along. Since Kennedy, as opposed to the psychopaths on the JCS, never intended to make a first strike anyway, he didn't feel he had much to lose with this deal with Krushchev and a whole planet (intact) to gain.
Plywood diplomacy at its best.
"That was what he wanted all along. " Excepting for that stretch, everything else is more or less correct. Western propaganda notwithstanding.
The Great Game is a game of many mirrors and false images.
Both "Christians" and "Jews" may think that they control the top of the Illuminati Pyramid.
Is it Russian Christians or Russian Jews ?
Is it Western Christians or Western Jews ?
Who will be allies ?
In hindsight every conflict of recent times resulted in nothing of value to society and I suspect that involvement in the Syrian conflict will likewise be highly damaging to all participants.
The jockeys of war are all convinced of their military prowess and superiority but they always fail to consult with those lying in graves.
In hindsight every conflict of recent times resulted in nothing of value to society and I suspect that involvement in the Syrian conflict will likewise be highly damaging to all participants.
The jockeys of war are all convinced of their military prowess and superiority but they always fail to consult with those lying in graves.
Russia and China just finished joint naval exercises off the coast of Japan today.
China just needs to weaken the US a bit further and the US can just collaspe from the Free Stuff Army and the US Federal Reserve.
Greenspan enforced Wall Street's building up of China and outsourcing of manufacturing and technology.
Bernanke and the rest of the Fed members will finish it off.
I posted this on another thread earlier, but it is worth considering; I am not sure at all the USG 'leadership' is taking Russia and China seriously enough, as a result of their DC Hubris...
The Russians and Chinese can disrupt the items outlined below, and may in a way become allies of the US People....
Americans are woefully ignorant of the MB infiltration into the USG.
Chalky is the primary connection between the totalitarian Left and the MB.
Been to DC lately? I have. In just 4 years the amount of muslims and mosques have exploded like mushrooms in the district and surrounding areas.In some places you might easily think you were in Saudi Arabia. This complements the large number of domestic Stalinists, Maoists, etc he put into office upon overthrowing the government in 2008.
Chalky's job is to bring a combination of international Left/Muslim rule to America, voiding its Constitution and eventually creating an authoritarian regime. All the EOs updated or signed during Chalky's tenure are complete. He has built a machine and is awaiting orders to turn it on. It makes the Enabling Acts under NAZI Germany tame in comparison, although the scenario is a close duplicate of the history of the Third Reich.
The purpose is several fold: take down the US financial system; place the US under an international globalist power system with the fig leaf of "sovereignty;" eliminate borders and install a regional or international currency after the Crash; dispose of any Americans who will not accept the 'Fundamental Change' or who actively resist.
From the Left's point of view, Ayers was probably correct in estimating about 20 million AMericans will not co-operate, requiring their mass liquidation.
It is important to note, however, that, like any Plan (made by Man), things can go wrong. It is up to Americans to react in time or successfully defeat the Plan if they awake too late to prevent it.
The goals of the two groups which share this fascist view coincide for now. I am still trying to analyze how the two groups will hash out Control after they achieve their goal (both being unaware of the manipulation of the PTB, or a belief TPTB will "side" with them after the near goals are achieved).
It is true that the European leftist movement has been thoroughly co-opted by Palestinians and Islamists: the same is taking place in USA.
Unemployment is dangeorusly high. Time for moar war.
That's completely out of character!
Now what was it Assad said about this sort of thing?
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And let's not forget, it was "three US officials" who used an anon proviso to spike the international media with this.
Really? ... now why would US officials (and Israel) do that? ... seems a little ... you know ... provocative ...
Maybe Putin will change his mind about future installments of the "Snowden Chronicles"
This is all much ado about nothing. What we really have to worry about are those damned sharknadoes.
& octolanches.
Crocophoons!
Snakequakes!
Gatoroids!
Piranhoia!
Thank You Israel!
The report about the Submarine strike was scooped last week by OsnetDaily, The Sunday times just picked it up from there,
see for yourself: http://osnetdaily.com/2013/07/confirmed-israel-struck-syria-arms-depot-last-week/
Of the six dolphin class subs, Germany GAVE Israel two of these $BILLLION+, state of the art killing machines for FREE (!!!!), subsidized at least half of the third and I'm pretty sure NATO (read U.S.A) paid for the rest including the ICBMs and cruise missiles. Isn't it great to be the puppet master?
That class of sub is very small and has total of zero ICBM tubes. Cruise missiles are fired from standard torpedo tubes, (though the US LA class had a vertical launch option, but the missile for it was cancelled) and as far as I'm aware there's no confirmed evidence the Israeli's even have a submarine-launched cruise missile (though I'd be very surprised if they didn't have one).
"s far as I'm aware there's no confirmed evidence the Israeli's even have a submarine-launched cruise missile (though I'd be very surprised if they didn't have one)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popeye_%28missile%29
Yes, I have read that before, the first sentence says:
Which is why I said
And there isn't any.
"in a US Navy observed 2002 test in the Indian Ocean"
or
http://i-hls.com/2013/03/popeye-turbo-cruise-missile-the-main-israeli-we...
"According to a report by the Federation of American Scientists (FAS) in 2002 an experiment was conducted in which an early model of the missile was launched from a Dolphin submarine in the Indian Ocean off the coast of Sri Lanka."
Bullshit. Do I really have to break this down?
This 'missile' is pure-speculation on the part of a writer, who has clearly never seen such a missile. So there is zero confirmation of any of it. There is a difference between pure speculations and material realities, and web pages full of alledged unsubstanciated nothings are not evidence of anything. What it is though, is one more page in the thousands of pages on the net, about missiles which turn out to not even exist.
"Bullshit. Do I really have to break this down?...This 'missile' is pure-speculation on the part of a writer, who has clearly never seen such a missile. So there is zero confirmation of any of it."
No. There were a series of test launches in 2002 off the coast of Sri Lanka by an Israeli Dolphin class submarine. The launch is known. The history and payload of the missile are not. But there is a capability. A stretched Popeye is most likely, given the range in the observed launch compared to the possible range given the fuel in a standard Popeye missile. The other alternative would be a Tomahawk launch.....but the US publicly refused a request by the Israelis for sub-launched Tomahawks. That leaves an indigenous missile based on the Popeye as the most likely explanation.
see also
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/missile/popeye-t.htm
"In May 2000 Israel is reported to have secretly carried out its first test launches from two German-built Dolphin-class submarines of cruise missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads. The missiles launched from vessels off Sri Lanka in the Indian Ocean are said to have hit a target at a range of about 1,500 kilometers [about 930 statute miles]."
and
"Israel Makes Nuclear Waves With Submarine Missile Test," By Uzi Mahnaimi and Matthew Campbell London Sunday Times June 18, 2000
"Fears Of New Arms Race As Israel Tests Cruise Missiles," By Uzi Mahnaimi and Matthew Campbell London Sunday Times June 18, 2000
There's ZERO EVIDENCE for any of it. I can make shit up too, if I want, I just choose not to read people who do is all. All the words I highlighted above, in bold, are typical "weasil-words", used by shitty authors who have zero evidence for their fictions, but try to bamboozle idiots, anyway.
Each one of them is their mini-appology for having no evidence, whatsoever, "but please sir, would you please believe me, anyway?"
No, fuck off, I won't, period.
And what didn't you understand about my first post above where I clearly stated this:
That seemed pretty clear to me.
There's a BIG difference between entertaining a reasonable untested suspicion of something, as opposed to presenting pure unsubstanciated fictional speculative propaganda as real material fact.
That is called BULLSHIT, now fuck-off you credulous bloody idiot.
"There's ZERO EVIDENCE for any of it. I can make shit up too, if I want, I just choose not to read people who do is all. All the words I highlighted above, in bold, are typical "weasil-words", used by shitty authors who have zero evidence for their fictions, but try to bamboozle idiots, anyway.
...
That is called BULLSHIT, now fuck-off you credulous bloody idiot."
It seems that there are a series of credible reports, dating back from 2002 in the London Times, through the FAS, and including some decent defense industry trade journals all saying one thing. The same thing as the Jerusalem Post story which was the subject of this article .... that Israel has this capability.
Looking at your posts - you've failed to provide a single citation credibly (or even in-credibly) saying otherwise.
So we have your opinion....and then everyone else's. Thankfully, school will be back in session in 2 short months.
No evidence is no evidence, if the BBC, or FAS, or UN, or NASA tell me the moon is made of cheese, I say "prove it, or you are talking bullshit", because without evidence, they would be.
Providing proof as substantiation for claims is hardly a complex or novel concept.
The person making the claim is the person with the onus to substantiate the claim, not the person who says you haven't substantiated your claim, you've just made shit up and want me to believe you.
You live in a peculiar fucking insanity if you think an FAS webpage, or ten of them, about a speculative imaginary missile equates to fact.
If you think that constitutes anything real then there's no hope for you, you are a natural moron, nothing more can be done.
So, because you've asked and I'm in patient mood, I've given you a series of citations dating back 13 years to London Times, FAS, Wikipedia, and other sources which all agree with the premise of the article being discussed here .... that 13 years ago the Israeli's demonstrated an SLCM capability.
They seem to have just demonstrated it operationally for the first time. That seems to be interesting.
So you waddled off into the weeds and you disagreed with a well documented progression up to this point. And you got called on it. And asked for citations. And were given some.....although you can provide none to support your own opinion.
Wahhh! Suck it up jack-ass. Or go play somewhere where you're not called on your bullshit.
oh good grief!
You just did what all village idiots with no evidence do, they insist that the person who will not accept the complete lack of material evidence for something, prove the negative proposition ... i.e. prove that the unsubstantiated imaginary fiction, doesn't exist!
BWHAHAHA!
Using fucking citations? BWHAHAHAHA!!!
Oh and what high-brow 'citation' does all your stupid crap and links base itself upon? ... a story in the mere Jerusalem Post?!! WOT???!!! BWAHAHAHAHH!! ... dudette, that's a fucking NEWSPAPER!!! ... They wrap the bloody fish-n-chips in that at the end of the day, then they bin it!
BWHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!! ... OMG!
You actually don't have any clue how totally fucked in the head you are!
You can't even grapple with a basic rational structure, without immediately blowing your foot off.
Again, you've just self-demonstrated what a natural moron is.
Sooner or later you expect that even a retard will make his point. That mean's it's your turn to speak. What exactly is your tenuous grasp on reality?
You've been given for your benefit a series of credible citations going back 13 years saying 'the Israeli's demonstrated an SLCM in 2000 and 2002'. It was documented at the time by the London Times. The FAS concurs. The Jerusalem post just stood up today with a story claiming that they just used that capability operationally for the first time.
And your argument is 'I didn't see it personally so it didn't happen'?
Do you have anything? Any citations at all? Anything at all that you can site where someone has said 'no....this did not happen'? Anything other than your own irrelevent and idiotic opinion?
Anything?
What kind of a fucking moron are you?
Your alleged creditable 'citation' is chip wrapper you cretin.
You have seen nothing, you know nothing of any alleged SLCM, except your addled fantasies. All you have is chip-wrappers making raw propaganda sludge, and you slurring it up and saying, "mmm try some!"
I'll make it simple, when I see it, I'll believe it, though I'll remain painfully annoyingly skeptical of my observations, even then.
I have been around much to long to fall for some silly fucking irrational twat like you talking bilious brainfart, based upon the thin and dreary screeds from a dodgy chip-wrapper, that you regard as a wholly creditable 'source'.
"Your alleged creditable 'citation' is chip wrapper you cretin. You have seen nothing, you know nothing of any alleged SLCM, except your addled fantasies."
So on the one hand we have several credible sources saying the Israeli's tested the system in 2000 and 2002:
"Israel Makes Nuclear Waves With Submarine Missile Test," By Uzi Mahnaimi and Matthew Campbell London Sunday Times June 18, 2000
"Fears Of New Arms Race As Israel Tests Cruise Missiles," By Uzi Mahnaimi and Matthew Campbell London Sunday Times June 18, 2000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popeye_%28missile%29
"was widely reported in a US Navy observed 2002 test in the Indian Ocean to have hit a target at 1500 km,"
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/missile/popeye-t.htm
"In May 2000 Israel is reported to have secretly carried out its first test launches from two German-built Dolphin-class submarines of cruise missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads. The missiles launched from vessels off Sri Lanka in the Indian Ocean are said to have hit a target at a range of about 1,500 kilometers [about 930 statute miles]."
http://i-hls.com/2013/03/popeye-turbo-cruise-missile-the-main-israeli-we...
""According to a report by the Federation of American Scientists (FAS) in 2002 an experiment was conducted in which an early model of the missile was launched from a Dolphin submarine in the Indian Ocean off the coast of Sri Lanka."
And then there's your opinion that they didn't. Unsupported by any citations.
Nothing.
Nothing credible or otherwise. Not a single citation from anyone, anyone, anywhere on the planet with the same opinion as yours. Not a single individual or organization who's looked at the facts and has said 'that was not an Israeli missile launch'.
I weep for the future. You're the kind of mind-fucked, ignorant, narcisisstic, idiotic, and un-educatable fuck-tard that will, some day, be asked to do more than suck off Mom's paycheck while living in the basement.
'I didn't see it so it didnt happen.'
Wake up moron! You won't be seeing WWII, the big bang, or quantum tunneling either. Ditto for Watergate. Or an Israeli missile test in the Indian Ocean.
Others did, you ignorant piece of shit.
Oh I get it, you think that a consensus of speculations based on the suppositions of chip-wrappers equates to 'reality'.
You are thus manipulated easily into a credulous state of in-substantive gullible belief, via the mere consensual whim of a crowd of repeaters, who all have zero confirmation of ANY of what they repeat - ad-nauseum.
Um no, sorry, if it's BS at the beginning, and every one repeats it in unison, it remains bullshit still.
Someone should have told you this much earlier.
Reality is reality, all else is fiction.
No one has any confirmed evidence that any missile exists, thus;
no evidence = no reality
sigh, and it was not even a complicated quandary
Wish I owned a chip-wrapper ... I'd call it, "The Daily Whopper"
oh and stop greening yourself as soon as you post you fucking retard, what are you trying to do, build a consensus?
"In the 'aftermath of a second Holocaust' Israel's surviving Dolphin-class nuclear missile submarines would retaliate not only against Israel's attackers, but 'bring down the pillars of the world (attack Moscow and European capitals for instance)' .... the SAMSON OPTION, which is the strategy floated by Ariel Sharon and others of using Israel's nuclear weapons, 'taking out Israel's enemies with it, possibly causing irreparable damage to the entire world.'"
The pinnacle of insanity.
Samson Option = Propaganda
It's meant to be scarey-insane and threatening, why else would they put that out there.
Now think about this, November 1962 Havana, Moscow and Washington.
How is that any different?
How is George W Bush saying he will nuke terrorists, preemptively, any less insane? When he's just knowingly told a pack of lies to the entire world so he could bombard and Invade Iraq (to keep a certain ME minority happy) and killed hundreds of thousands of people under totally false pretenses. You couldn't get any more criminally insane than that wretched dubya cunt.
So sure, the Samson Option is suicidal zionist retardo-insanity, at its finest, but it's mere propaganda threats are not anywhere near as insane as the shit Ive actually seen the western-world doing, for all my life.
Don't let it unbalance your view.
The bigger truth is that Fascism is 100% suicidal in every case. It doesn't matter if it's in Washington, or Tel-Aviv, it's the same outcome, they will destroy a lot of other people in the process of destroying themselves.
Dunno if there was counter article to this one someone posted up a while back
"Secret Cooperation: Israel Deploys Nuclear Weapons on German-Built Submarines A German shipyard has already built three submarines for Israel, and three more are planned. Now SPIEGEL has learned that Israel is arming the submarines with nuclear-tipped cruise missiles. The German government has known about Israel's nuclear weapons program for decades, despite its official denials."
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/israel-deploys-nuclear-weapons...
I think the Germans .... miss the Jews .... especially compared to the Muslim invasion .... they did great things together .... and will again .... the Germans have to admire the Jews .... they are both Lebensraum deprived states .... nothing makes me happier .... than seeing my Gerries and my Joos .... working in harmony ! Gooooo Jooooos ! Never again !
Must .... never .... punctuate .... except ..... with ..... ellipses ..... and ..... exclamation ..... points ..... inexplicably ..... separated .... from ..... the ..... last ........ word !
I wonder, is your choppy, disjointed and fragmentary manner of expression just an honest representation of a scattered and fragmentary way of thinking?
I'm not glad you were appointed as Monedas attack dog .... I don't consider you to be at my level .... don't take it personal .... no socialist measures up ! I can defend Capitalism .... with half my scatter brain tied behind my back ! I've been told you are female .... if you enter the ring .... with Monedas .... you will not be given any consideration .... for the unfortuneate accident of your gender ! LOL
After doing successful battle with assorted rabid anti-gold trolls, flat-earth deflationary nitwits and Chinese Citizenism roadside crappers, pinning you to the mat would be small potatoes indeed. Not that I feel any great motivation to do so, of course.
Carry ..... on !
Those periods are a pause in the sentence giving the reader time to dwell and think until the next part of the sentence. While there is no written rule at this time covering it, it is done quite often. Rules of grammar are slow to change but eventually they do.
High-function Jewish scientists are a great gift, high-function Jewish psychopaths are a curse on the Earth.
http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Israels-5th-Dolphin-submarine-unveiled-in-G... , 5/2013 with Deutschland picking up a third of the tab (?)
And, yes INTERCONTINENTAL SLCMs - tech you won't hear about for fifty years.