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Thomas Sowell Asks "Who Is Racist?"

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Authored by Thomas Sowell, via Jim Quinn's Burning Platform blog,

I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.

Apparently other Americans also recognize that the sources of racism are different today from what they were in the past. According to a recent Rasmussen poll, 31 percent of blacks think that most blacks are racists, while 24 percent of blacks think that most whites are racist.

The difference between these percentages is not great, but it is remarkable nevertheless. After all, generations of blacks fought the white racism from which they suffered for so long. If many blacks themselves now think that most other blacks are racist, that is startling.

The moral claims advanced by generations of black leaders - claims that eventually touched the conscience of the nation and turned the tide toward civil rights for all - have now been cheapened by today’s generation of black “leaders,” who act as if it is all just a matter of whose ox is gored.

Even in legal cases involving terrible crimes - the O.J. Simpson murder trial or the charges of gang rape against Duke University students - many black “leaders” and their followers have not waited for facts about who was guilty and who was not, but have immediately taken sides, based on who was black and who was white.

Among whites, according to the same Rasmussen poll, 38 percent consider most blacks racist and 10 percent consider most whites racist.

Broken down by politics, the same poll showed that 49 percent of Republicans consider most blacks racist, as do 36 percent of independents and 29 percent of Democrats.

Perhaps most disturbing of all, just 29 percent of Americans as a whole think race relations are getting better, while 32 percent think race relations are getting worse. The difference is too close to call, but the fact that it is so close is itself painful — and perhaps a warning sign for where we are heading. 

Is this what so many Americans, both black and white, struggled for, over the decades and generations, to try to put the curse of racism behind us — only to reach a point where retrogression in race relations now seems at least equally likely as progress?

What went wrong? Perhaps no single factor can be blamed for all the things that went wrong. Insurgent movements of all sorts, in countries around the world, have for centuries soured in the aftermath of their own success. “The revolution betrayed” is a theme that goes back at least as far as 18th century France.

The civil rights movement in 20th century America attracted many people who put everything on the line for the sake of fighting against racial oppression. But the eventual success of that movement attracted opportunists, and even turned some idealists into opportunists.

Over the generations, black leaders have ranged from noble souls to shameless charlatans. After the success of the civil rights insurgency, the latter have come into their own, gaining money, power and fame by promoting racial attitudes and actions that are counterproductive to the interests of those they lead.

None of this is unique to blacks or to the United States. In various countries and times, leaders of groups that lagged behind, economically and educationally, have taught their followers to blame all their problems on other people — and to hate those other people.

This was the history of anti-Semitic movements in Eastern Europe between the two World Wars, anti-Ibo movements in Nigeria in the 1960s, and anti-Tamil movements that turned Sri Lanka from a peaceful nation into a scene of lethal mob violence and then decades-long civil war, both marked by unspeakable atrocities.

Groups that rose from poverty to prosperity seldom did so by having racial or ethnic leaders. While most Americans can easily name a number of black leaders, current or past, how many can name Asian American ethnic leaders or Jewish ethnic leaders?

The time is long overdue to stop looking for progress through racial or ethnic leaders. Such leaders have too many incentives to promote polarizing attitudes and actions that are counterproductive for minorities and disastrous for the country.


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Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:08 | 3753136 NOTW777
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president obama has set back race relations 200 yrs

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:11 | 3753140 Say What Again
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None of this matters because the bernanke will hand over another $85B this month to the prime dealers, who will quietly transfer that money to the executive committee by way of bonus.

Everything else is just noise in the system.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:15 | 3753148 Beam Me Up Scotty
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We are all slaves.  Most don't know who the real masters are.  Blacks think its whitey.  And whitey doesn't even realize he's a slave too.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:17 | 3753153 Say What Again
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and ES makes new highs, even as I type.

We're back to the scenario where ANY piece of news is BULLISH (or should I say BULLSHIT)

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:52 | 3753221 Cortez the Killer
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The rise of Nigger culture is responsible for the decline of American society

Sorry to burst your bubble, Nig.

w apologies to Thomas Sowell and decent black folks everywhere

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:21 | 3753264 Oh regional Indian
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"American Soiety" was built on the back of slave labour, black, irish and chinese.

Not to mention genocide. Of humans and animals.

Karma, Cortez.


Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:39 | 3753300 Oldwood
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That must be why millions have walked, sailed and swam to get here over the years, just to be murdered and oppressed. America, still the cleanest dirty shirt. Maybe what we need is a caste system for you to feel more comfortable.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:41 | 3753303 hivekiller
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That's another myth. Most of the "slaves' were indentured servants - most of whom were white.

Slavery was endemic in Africa but typically when slaves were taken, the women were incorporated into the slaveholder's family and the males were killed. Once the transatlantic slave market opened up, there was a use for those black men.


Mon, 07/15/2013 - 01:34 | 3753327 Cult_of_Reason
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Feudal serfdom in Europe was not far removed from slavery; though, serfs had some rights (vs. Roman Empire slaves). The last country to abolish serfdom was Russia, in 1861. Muslims took Christian slaves, and some Christian countries held Muslims in slavery. Only after the discovery of America, slavery became largely race based.

BTW, feudal lord-vassal principles have survived in the US. Our government (ruler or lord) and people (ruled or vassals) is the feudalism.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:44 | 3753306 Meat Hammer
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I think it's a good time for some levity...on topic.  Clayton Bigsby if you need him

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 01:17 | 3753312 Dingleberry
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Everyone hates white culture.....until they turn on a light or engine, flush a toilet or eat something besides an enemy's heart for dinner.

Maybe we should let people live like they did before whitey came along.  They would probably enjoy wiping their asses with their bare hands.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:36 | 3753292 Cult_of_Reason
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American society is already rotten to the core.


Mon, 07/15/2013 - 01:05 | 3753333 augustusgloop
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moronic comparison: 

Asian American and Jewish "ethinic" leaders: well, Jews are what 2% of US and yet 11% of Senate (wiki), 5% of House, 30% of Supreme Court. Economics-Bernanke, Greenspan--'nough said. Jews don't need ethnic leaders because Jews define the broader culture. Jewish culture is preparation for modern culture (Not sure if apocraphyl or not, but Einstein was supposed to have said that Jews occupied so many university slots in Germany because, "Jews have been studying for entrance exams for 2000 years.") Jews are the culture as talmudic study, rational thought & discourse is roughly equal to the skills required to excel in modern society. 

Every other culture has ethnic leaders- Chavez, blah blah blah. 


Mon, 07/15/2013 - 01:23 | 3753345 otto skorzeny
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LOL- it has everything to do with their natural "brilliance".

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 01:27 | 3753349 Kirk2NCC1701
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Cortez, "Trash" people come in all shapes, sizes, languages, cultures, faiths and pigmentation.  I'm not trying to be PC, but merely constructive when I say:

Attaching an unpopular and emotionally charged label on any group is not necessary (since no new insight is offered), nor productive (as it does not move the yardsticks forward).  All you are inviting is a mud-fest.  If you enjoy that sort of thing.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:28 | 3753180 Anusocracy
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They should have used an image of Frank Gorshin form the Star Trek episode Let That Be Your Last Battlefield.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:36 | 3753194 g'kar
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Good episode. They were at war because the black/white sides of their faces were opposite. Trippy. It really pointed out the pettiness of the race thing.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 01:06 | 3753229 SafelyGraze
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bho did a screen test for *both* of those two parts


Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:35 | 3753285 Dre4dwolf
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Thats how you keep the slaves from attacking the master, you pit the slaves against eachother.

White vs. Black.


Sadly, Whites are now the ones suffering from racism.

Blacks are so blinded by hate that they think this is a "good thing"

And whites honestly (most of them) don't give a shit what color you are so long as you don't go after their money.


See, Whites don't care about racism.

Whites care about keeping their land and resources and having the freedom to do what they please with their "stuff"


Black people have an agenda to "screw over" white people by making them "suffer" one way or another, blacks do this by playing the "race card", everytime something doesn't go their way they blame it on whitey.

When something goes wrong with in a white guys life:

Fuck wtf , how the fuck did I get into this situation, suma bitches screwed me over.... o well... ill just downsize , sell the car, find a cheaper apartment... work an extra job.


When something goes wrong with a black guys life:

Fucking white assholes takn whats mine and shit, Ima show white sumabitches whats what, *proceeds to rob a gas station and complains about racism and oppression when officers beat him half to death for shooting a teller.


See the difference?

White people deal with their problems.

Black people blame someone else.


O/C these are gross exagerations, (go ahead you can call the view "racist") , but as far as I am concerned its not racist if its true.

Black people love watermellon and fried chicken.

White people like other white people and would prefer to live in white neighborhoods because of the stigma about black neighborhoods (high crime etc...)

White people wana feel safe, they want to go to bed and keep both eyes closed.

Black people sleep with the door open because someone stole their door three nights ago, along with their left sneaker and half a kit-kat bar left on the counter.


Its just the way shit is, it aint no ones fault, shits just fucked up because these clowns play us off against eachother.


If you black people are looking for someone to blame.

Blame the bank for not lending you money to start a business or go to school.

Blame the bank for forclosing on the house you paid into for 9 years.

Blame the bank for mailiing you 100 credit cards and then suggesting that you make only the minumum payments for 20 years.

Blame the bank for fucking printing money and making the measly 8$ -4$ the govt takes worth only 90cents at the store in purchasing power.




Look, white people wana unify with black people, but black people are the ones keeping us out, its like we are white people knocking on the door of black people, we even brought cake and watermellon, but you black people are so paranoid that you wont let us in, you just think of us as seperate, while most of the white people think of us as all one race (humans).


there are black people that are human, and white people that are human and they are just both human.

then there are black people that think of themselves as "black" and your white and we don't mix.

Sure there are white "racists" too, but those fuckers are soo old and there are soo few of them, that they dont really even fucking matter anymore.

The real progress is going to be made when whites and blacks unify to beat the banks.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:39 | 3753198 They trynna cat...
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But it's not "just noise in the system."  The same ones who are behind the Fed and international finance are also trying to squeeze whites out of existence.  That is plain to see.

Reason being, most likely, because whites are the only ones capable of putting a stop to their plan for One World Government from Jerusalem.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:13 | 3753143 Skateboarder
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And professional work culture 10,000 years.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:15 | 3753146 Shell Game
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'president obama has set back race relations 200 yrs'

After Al Sharpton's work that would put us at about 800 AD....

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:22 | 3753266 Morla
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People like Sharpton, Piers Morgan, Crump, etc are the real ones fanning the flames and keeping racism alive. Obama himself, on the other hand, hasn't done much of anything at all. The government kept lying, scamming, and making ridiculous promises while Obama stood there smiling and nodding. That's about it.

All this focus on Obama is unhealthy, and everyone should stop. I used to be like that about Bush and, believe me, it's not an intellectually productive position to take.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:54 | 3753319 otto skorzeny
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O's a front man like the real power in the mafia use to deflect heat. At least he is spurning Bibi's advances in the ME- for now.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 01:09 | 3753337 Morla
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You downvotes have too easy a scapegoat in Obama, it is clouding your judgement and narrowing your gaze. Snap out of it, man.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:18 | 3753161 Stuart
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When Obama made the Trayvon being a 'son' comment, he legitimized the racial divide on this case.  He owns the racial divide fall out for that reason.  If Trayvon was white, would he have said this, in fact would anyone of have even heard about the case.  Doubt it. 

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:57 | 3753230 macholatte
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EVERYTHING Obama is about race and how to polorize and politicize and gain advantage from it.


Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:31 | 3753287 Morla
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Obama's subtle when he does this, and I think not terribly important to this discussion. When a fire is raging I tend to focus on the guys (Al Sharpton, Piers Morgan, Ben Crump etc) who are running around with super-soakers full of gasoline and flare guns than the guy who's surreptitiously sprinkling a little gasoline here and there while keeping up appearances.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:15 | 3753256 Dingleberry
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The one rule (and only one that matters in this realm) is that REALITY TRUMPS DREAMS.  

Take note, you stupid fucking liberals.  



Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:15 | 3753257 Dingleberry
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The one rule (and only one that matters in this realm) is that REALITY TRUMPS DREAMS.  

Take note, you stupid fucking liberals.  



Mon, 07/15/2013 - 01:23 | 3753344 Sopra Tutt1
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Of course Mr. President set back race relations 200 yrs, what do you think, he'd have to obey a Contitution written by a bunch of slave owners? No baby, no way... it's payback time bitches. Sell gold buy fiat and move to a gated community.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:11 | 3753141 CitizenLame
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Good Article 

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:19 | 3753163 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1

Yes, I was just about to write the same.  The Tylers have chosen well this evening.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:13 | 3753144 Seasmoke
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It's why the zebras do not hang out with the will never work

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:59 | 3753233 Temporalist
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Are zebras self-loathing?

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:12 | 3753248 Rusty Shorts
Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:18 | 3753145 Schmuck Raker
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I always think of racism as 'tribalism', or 'culturalism'.

Basically, most of us are still afraid of someone whose different.

There was a time when that was a necessary survival reaction. But not now. (Well.... mostly.)


"Race" is only just a function of geography. No more than that. Generally, if you look at large enough groups of people, you'll find they are pretty much the same.


Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:36 | 3753293 buyingsterling
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Take a nice long stroll in any black neighborhood and then get back to us.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:16 | 3753149 Shell Game
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Tom nails it. Excellent read..

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:16 | 3753150 q99x2
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Planet earth this is the Universe speaking.

Morons. All of you. You're getting an asteroid sent your way if you don't wise up.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:40 | 3753200 Hulk
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Dear Universe, there is a tall monument, 555 feet tall ,capped with a pyramid, on the east coast of the United States with a big crack in it.


That is all for now...

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:16 | 3753154 theliberalliberal
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Australian Aboriginals are on their horse about being recognised in the Australian Constitution.  The consitution should be written for all people,  to make sure all are treated the same.

geeez,  carry on about how special and different you are,  and then when someone says "you're different" label them a racist.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:27 | 3753281 Bear
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I am special and different ... I am the Bear (and maybe a racist)

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:20 | 3753155 Hongcha
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The Zimmerman verdict was highly significant.  The One and his crew wanted this one badly.  I have not, in my 52+ years, ever seen one common schmuck set upon by the ganglands of power (White House, DOJ, media, the Lexus Liberals).  The overwhelming denigration of this man, the collective bootheel to the face, was remarkable.  I saw what was happening when I finally saw a photo of the grown-up Trayvon, dead-eyed gangsta, not the 10-year-old every single MSM outlet was running.

The utter ruthlessness of the attack upon an everyday American, by the highest office in the land on down, is truly breathtaking.

The One wanted this for several crucial reasons:

1.   Further gun control propaganda;

2.   Further race agitprop to strengthen his perceived constituents;

3.   Cement martial law or the gradual setting of it.

This was a very good result for freedom-loving Americans of any race.  And it exhibited again and even moreso the brazen corruption and brutality of the current Admin.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:21 | 3753170 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ a billion

Very good, very erudite.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:26 | 3753175 P.T.Bull
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Duke university soccer team, tawana brawley. It happens all the time.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:49 | 3753213 Hongcha
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Yes indeed P.T. and Sharpton spearheaded the Brawley farce as well; the hate-filled racist pusbag that he is.  

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:10 | 3753245 Bollixed
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Al Charlatan: probably the only brother with a 3 inch penis...

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:03 | 3753237 Tulpa
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I'm failing to see how a conviction helps BO.  He needs a pissed-off Dem base in 2014 to drive turnout and save the Senate, especially since he's completely alienated the independents, and the acquittal probably helps way more with that.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:37 | 3753295 Cleve Meater
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Here's how it helps BO: 

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:17 | 3753162 Oldwood
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We haven't eliminated slavery, we have nationalized it. 

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:21 | 3753169 Schmuck Raker
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"We haven't eliminated slavery, we have globalized it."

I don't disagree, I just offer an expanded take

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:28 | 3753181 Let The Wurlitz...
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Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:20 | 3753167 swmnguy
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It's important to note that legal definitions of guilt and innocence are different from what people consider to be true.  By law, OJ Simpson was not guilty.  That did not make him innocent by law.  It certainly didn't make people think he didn't do it.  As for this Zimmerman/Martin case, I thought race only had a little bit to do with it in the first place.  The evidence was equivocal enough that nobody will ever change their mind about this case. 

This case says a lot about the importance of serious law-making.  Florida's laws don't seem to have been put together with much of a mind to how things really go down in real life, nor any recognition of the fact that the same facts look very different depending on your point of view.  What the Zimmerman/Martin case showed was how some thought-out laws will eventurally serve as a magnifying lens for all the unresolved crap in our society.  It can't possibly have been the intent of Florida legislators to make it seem that if you get into a confrontation, you're better off killing the other guy than walking away or calling it a draw; but here we are.  This time the fault lines exposed were racial.  No doubt we'll see a case with socio-economic class ramifications.  Or gender.

Spectacular cases tend to make for bad law.  This time, it seems the bad law has made for a spectacular case.  And we've got a lot of bad laws on the books; passed in the heat of fearful emotion, without circumspection.  We'll get no end of trouble from those laws.  But it will be sexy media.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:27 | 3753178 P.T.Bull
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Florida is a cesspool of political corruption. It was their attempt to manipulate the presidential election that got the supreme court involved.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:28 | 3753182 Oldwood
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It is not possible to write laws to anticipate every circumstance even though lawmakers would like us to believe otherwise. There are good and bad laws but there is no universal version of justice as it is in the eye of the beholder (not Eric). Politics is about attrition and the forcing of ones opinions on to others. Laws and their interpretation are the weapons of political wars.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:13 | 3753255 MachoMan
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There are definitely many bad laws on the books (I'd say the vast majority, but I digress).  However, I don't believe the Zimmerman case had anything to do with "bad law."  The law has imposed a "reasonable man" standard on these types of things for as long as anyone can remember...  As it turns out, a jury believed that a reasonable person, in Zimmerman's shoes, would have shot Martin too...  Frankly, it was an incredibly easy decision and we should all be so lucky as to have that easy of a decision if we're called to jury duty.  ("close" cases do exist).  The death threats the poor bastards on the jury will surely receive over the coming months/years will be the only tragedy of this case.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:24 | 3753269 Dingleberry
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Stand your ground was not a factor in this case, nor any other obscure law.

The only thing was self-defense.

Do you even know what justifiable homicide is? 

When one's head is being smashed into the ground, and MMA-style ground and pound is being administered (like the witnesses and EVIDENCE suggested in this case), what do you think the verdict should be? 

The police chief knew right off the bat there was no case. Cement is a deadly weapon. Plus Zim had a broken nose. Do you think Trayvon broke his nose after he got shot?

Don't believe me....go smash your head against it and see what happens.

The chief said so......and he was fired becuase idiots like you thought "there has to be a law".

Trayvon was a young thug. Period.

I wish he would have lived so he could possibly go from thug to decency.

We will never know. regardless, thousands of blacks have been murdered since Trayvon, almost exculsively by other blacks.

And no one gives a fuck. That is the real tragedy.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:22 | 3753171 Anusocracy
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Name, shame, and blame - the essence of social manipulation. 

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:26 | 3753173 Hongcha
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Oh and that butch judge wanted it so bad she could taste it.  No appellate appointment, no backslapping power lunches, no phone call from The One!

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:16 | 3753259 MachoMan
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Not really.  She knew that Zimmerman would be acquitted from day 1...  The appearance of her favoring the prosecution is simply standard fare for these cases...  she likely made the case "appeal proof" by siding with the prosecution on key evidentiary issues, knowing the prosecution was going to lose anyway.  Any seasoned trial judge does this in every type of case...  standard fare.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:27 | 3753177 NOTW777
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the moral call goes out to the common man to be color blind, to treat everyone equally and fairly and then,

our governments, courts, universities, social elite and so called civil rights leaders do the exact opposite;  they give out jobs, money, scholarships, admissions, loans, preferences and favored treatment all solely on the basis of the color of the recipients' skin and ethnic background.   e.g. why do we have black tv channels, black history month, black award shows, black academic standards - why do we have a black club in congress? why do we have a group of people that only seek the advancement of "colored" people?

epitome of do as I say not as I do.

this author nails one of the prime causes - "today’s generation of black “leaders,” who act as if it is all just a matter of whose ox is gored."

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:42 | 3753205 Oldwood
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As much as we often hear mention of blind justice, if justice is to be blind, upon what will justice be determined? Is not race as much a fact in this case as time lines and motivations? Race is the issue and the death of Martin is but one of the "facts" of the case. Thousands of people die daily so it can't be death that makes this case so important. It is because a "white" hispanic "gunned down" a pure of heart man of similar complextion to our Great Leader. In the Great O's adopted home town of Chicago we see massive black on black murders nightly yet have yet to hear the name of a single defendant in one of these cases on any MSM. Justice wears a blindfold in Chicago surely, but in Zimmermans case She is wearing a jeweler's loop looking for any hidden flaws of "color".

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:29 | 3753183 wisehiney
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"What went wrong" that democrats sold out strong, moral, ambitious black people. Instead of helping them assimilate and take advantage of America's opportunity, they made them dependent victims by buying their votes with all kinds of "help". The worst are the black "leaders" like the ass in the White House.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:18 | 3753260 Harbanger
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The left has made them dependent victims ON PURPOSE, that's how they're guaranteed 100% of the plantation vote.  The left is really doing the same thing to the entire US population.  Thru it's educational system, Hollywood and the MSM, that's why people really need to unplug.  They know that dependent victims always chose statism over freedom.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 01:27 | 3753350 Spanky
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Thru it's educational system, Hollywood and the MSM, that's why people really need to unplug. -- Harbanger

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:36 | 3753185 Everyman
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What went "wrong"????

When 13% of a population (Black Americans) is responsible for 53% of the murders FBI crime statistics, that tells you right there.  The glorification of the "thug" lifestyle, "gold grill" and all.  Would you hire someone with gold teeth and their pants down to their knees if they came in and asked for a job, regardless of their race, color or social standing?????  Of course not.   Blacks see that determination as "racism".

In the first 10 days of July, posted here on ZH in comments, 20 black Americans were murdered in Chicago, by guns, kinves, beatings, etc.  A city with maxed out gun control, and a huge instuitionalized governmental hoandout mechanism.

It ain't the knives, guns, or anything else, it is black males committing these atrocities on their own.  And no white person is going to fix this.  That voice calling out those are going to have to be voices of black Americans.  The black males in America need some internal soul searching, and find the explanation within them for these problems.  These are self inflected wounds.

Black Americans ARE the problem for Black Americans.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:49 | 3753211 g'kar
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Nailed it.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:06 | 3753242 Tulpa
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You're still pushing this crap?  99.99% of that 13% have never committed murder, so STFU.  Sheesh, what the hell is it with the racism around here recently?  And the up-votes are sickening.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:23 | 3753263 Everyman
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That's my point.  Take out that trash in the black "race" and shun them just as the white shun neo nazi and skinheads, and whit supremacists.  But the stats are the stats. And I DID NOT STATE that ALL 13% were murders. YOU ARE AN ASS to bring THAT out.  That is your problem.  You cannot face the reality of the situation.

And what is TRULY sickening.

20 blacks killed in Chicago and not ONE FUCKING WORD out of YOU or any CONCERN WHATSOEVER.

What do you care about?

Racism, not murders in that race.  Pathetic.  Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees, hell not seeing the forest for the LEAVES!!!

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:26 | 3753279 Dingleberry
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Don't argue with liberals. 

Let them stew in what they grew.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:30 | 3753284 Tulpa
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Your assumption that I am a liberal is funny.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:29 | 3753283 Tulpa
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I do care about murders.  I care about individuals getting killed by individuals.  100% of murders in America are committed by 0.01% of the population (Murderers).

Where you and I differ, it seems, is that I don't view everything through the prism of race.  You and Al Sharpton would probably get along like bugs in a rug.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:39 | 3753296 Everyman
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Where you and I differ, it seems, is that I don't view everything through the prism of race.

REALLY!?  When you come in this discussion and start on something I posted with this:

Sheesh, what the hell is it with the racism around here recently?

Apparently you do see everything in the prism of race, you just don't see yourself as "racist".  I don't see "racism" here.  Only a fool like yo would.  What I see are an enlightened group discussing where the "racism" has played itself out by overuse of the "race card".

Not everything in a discussino talking about race is 'racist".  Statistics, arithmetic, patterns of behavior both deadly and risky.


It is called "analysis".  Beyond you just a bit I think.  Put your big boy pants on and we will talk, son.



Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:55 | 3753322 Tulpa
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90% of insider trading, securities fraud, and embezzlement in America is perpetrated by 36% of the population (White Males).  There is obviously a problem with White Male America that causes White Males to be so dishonest and greedy. Why haven't White Males purged these criminals from their midst?

I used numbers so it must be true!  Look I'm enlightened!

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 01:21 | 3753341 Oldwood
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So maybe if a white guy in a slick suit asks for the opportunity to invest your life savings for an incredible return, you might just reflect back on your stated statistics. Just sayin. And I'm not being a hater!

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:25 | 3753275 Rusty Shorts
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the "Minority" global population = about 6.3 billion...things that make you go hmm

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:30 | 3753186 WallowaMountainMan
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"I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white."

i am so old that i remember when you stopped beating your wife.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:30 | 3753188 P.T.Bull
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We live in a reverse Jim Crow society. Instutitional racism permeates all government and educational institutions. Certainly obama has made no effort to conceal his racism when he sticks his nose into legal cases he knows nothing about and imposes his anti-white prejudice. Of course he won re-election, so this whole country has degenerated into something that repels me.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:31 | 3753189 trillion_dollar...
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We elected to POTUS someone who sat in the pews of Trinity United Church for 20 years. Nobody should be surprised or shocked at what has or will transpire regarding race and race relations.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:36 | 3753195 Smegley Wanxalot
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Holder, the white house, and the NSA have arranged it now so the judge and uppity jury will all be audited by the IRS going back 40 years.  Any missing documents and they will be incarcerated.

Their kids wil be audited too. As will George Zimmer .. I mean Chaz Bono ... I mean George Zimmerman.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:36 | 3753196 redwater
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I have sympathy fatigue.

There are SO MANY THINGS WRONG in the world.

The blacks will just have to get in the back of the sympathy line.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:40 | 3753201 They trynna cat...
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Sowell is my favorite negro similar to the way that Peter Schiff is my favorite Jew.  Two great minds.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:24 | 3753270 Bear
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Just as Ben Bernanke is my favorite Moron. 

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:43 | 3753206 RideTheWalrus
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Race issues will end when the robot-overlords only care about your heat signature and not the color of your skin.
Finally we'll all be equals when hiding from the Series-800 Terminator patrolling the street.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:58 | 3753323 mumcard
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Yeah, that'll be the thing that convinces Tyreek to unify with Whitey.  Morelike we'll have to dodge drones and thugs at the same time.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:49 | 3753212 Bazza McKenzie
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What blacks won't acknowledge is that almost invariably blacks were first captured and enslaved by other blacks, who then sold them to Arabs and whites.  The primary violence was black on black (in Africa), just as today it is in Chicago, Detroit and the rest of the US.  But it's always someone else's fault.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:59 | 3753234 Oldwood
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We best not look at facts too closely for fear of creating prejudices. Justice is to be blind so as WE might be able to interpret the facts in a more politically correct fashion. If one pays attention, those who would use unfiltered facts and statistics to make their point are the first to be sacrificed on the alter of political correctness. Fact and Truth are Hate.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:13 | 3753254 Tulpa
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Defending slaveholders -- stay classy, dude.

I guess there was no violence perpetrated by whites on the ships in the Middle Passage, or after the slaves' arrival in the US, or from 1808-1865 when not a single slave arrived from Africa.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:25 | 3753276 Oldwood
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No race or culture has a monopoly on violent behavior, but in my view slavery is still a choice, just as today we make choices that take us ever deeper into its arms. Our country's founding fathers chose against slavery for themselves. We are left to make our own choices. What will you do? Will you resist or wait until they are loading you onto the "slave ships"? I will be the first to say that many times the choices we are faced with suck, but it is those choices that define us. Many black Americans have made their choice and that is what is defining them today, not any particular prejudice that another may have for them.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:58 | 3753324 blindman
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yes, the black population in the usa requested that they be
referred to as 2/5th of a person by the federal government
and then they enslaved themselves for the sympathy they
would receive in the future. not preaching from my Shetland
here ....or was it 3/5ths?

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:51 | 3753216 NOTW777
Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:51 | 3753217 holdbuysell
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Everyone, keep your eyes on the ball (the races are not enemies to themselves)...regardless of race, all should be 'banksterist' to the same and any who support them:

The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.

Lord Acton



Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:52 | 3753220 blindman
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jewish is not a racial or ethnic designation.
regardless, they have many prominent leaders.
the Asian communities also have their leaders.
here a question for you, do you know what
jim crow laws refer to, the impact and duration
of that impact that remains today. these laws
did not have an impact on the jewish or Asian
communities in the usa. significant?
maybe just go back to sleep.
the only question that means anything is the
question that you ask yourself, the poll you take
with yourself on that question.
" am I, myself, a fear based racist? "
get an honest answer for yourself. that is all.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:15 | 3753258 Bazza McKenzie
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Perhaps being a blindman you are unaware that Thomas Sowell is black and grew up in a period and locality where discrimination against blacks. including himself, was the norm.  He doesn't need others preaching to him about it.

That did not stop him from becoming one of America's most lucid and insightful economists whose views are invariably principled on being a human being, not a black or a white.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:52 | 3753318 blindman
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with such credentials and education he should
know something about the words he uses.
jewish is not an ethnic or racial designation.
from his writing he does not seem to get that.
that jim crow laws and policies did not affect
his ambitions does not mean that they did not have
significant impact on others, nor does it have any
impact on the rest of my comment. his race and outcome
does not change the history of others.
good for him that he achieved his ambitions !
Jackie Robinson was a successful ball player,
are you surprised that martin luther king didn't
realize that and call off the march on Washington?
by the way, is he a New Keynesian economist?
I was not preaching to the man, merely pointing
out that he is dead wrong when he attempts to compare
the black experience in America with that of the jewish
or Asian populations. it is like comparing dollars
to donuts, or apples and oranges. why he would not
see that, being black himself, I would love to hear
him explain.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:56 | 3753226 joego1
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The global economy doesn't offer any true opportunity or economic mobility to anyone anymore. The masses are left pointing the finger at each other. If there were true economic opportunity with some meaningful rewards for a persons effort many of the social problems would cure themselves.

Sun, 07/14/2013 - 23:58 | 3753231 Miffed Microbio...
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The only racism I experience every day comes from the government. Every time I diagnose what the government has required as reportable ( STDs, HCV, tuberculosis) to Public Health I must disclose the patients name address and race. There are heavy fines for non compliance. Every year the rates of these diseases are tabulated by race. As if someone cares if he got an std from an Asian or a Hispanic. I don't know the point of this. But I think it's the height of hypocracy for the government to preach equal opportunity and then compile racial statistics in so many areas. Obviously someone must be getting rich somehow with all this information or why bother.


Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:15 | 3753244 ebworthen
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Instead of defining themselves as individuals, most people have been taught to define themselves by their race, their gender, their sexuality, their nationality, their tribe, their affiliations, their loyalties, their team...anything but define themselves by their own character.

Therefore, society devolves into pissing matches based on discriminatory self-concepts rather than judging others on their character.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:46 | 3753310 Freewheelin Franklin
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There are no Civil Rights. There are only Individual Rights.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:12 | 3753251 samsara
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There is So Much Good in the Worst of Us,

And So Much Bad in the Best of Us,

It's Hard to Tell, Which of Us,

Who Should Reform the Rest of Us.


Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:17 | 3753261 XRAYD
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Premier Enrico Letta has harshly criticized a top Italian senator who likened the country's first black Cabinet minister to an orangutan, the latest episode of high-profile racial tension in a nation grappling with immigration.
Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:18 | 3753262 Bear
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"Such leaders have too many incentives to promote polarizing attitudes and actions that are counterproductive for minorities and disastrous for the country." ... right on ... if Racial peace breaks out, these 'leaders' lose their job (of fomenting hate).

I think the moral component of the racial divide is now gone. As we moved to improve the relations between the races, the leaders were motivated by a noble cause .... today, not so much.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:22 | 3753265 putbuyer
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Brilliant and amazing

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:26 | 3753278 Bloodstock
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But,,,but,,,but,,,Zimmerman is a Hispanic,,,WTF is all this black and white stuff? Geesh, how blind can ignorance be???

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:27 | 3753280 Cloud9.5
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I grew up in a segregated south.   The grievances held by black folks are real.  The Jim Crow laws existed.  There were real abuses.  But somehow between then and now the march for equality morphed into something else.  For some elements of the civil rights movement, equality was insufficient.  Revenge was demanded.  Whites that supported the movement have been marginalized.  The push for equality has been replaced by a push for racial advantage. 


While it is true that a minority of whites north and south were slave holders, it is a myth that more than a quarter of the whites were slave holders.  Nevertheless, a significant portion of the white population quietly accepts white guilt for the travesties of slavery and the misdeeds of a slave holding minority. 


We are now a hundred and fifty years removed from the slave era.  The first quarter of the twentieth century was marked by race riots against black victims.  The last quarter of the twentieth century has been marked by race riots against white victims.  The roles of victim have been reversed.  Consequently white guilt is beginning to subside. It is very difficult to argue for reverse discrimination when the most powerful positions in the land are held by the once disenfranchised minority.



Mon, 07/15/2013 - 01:04 | 3753331 Oldwood
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The human condition is one that does not readily accept the notion of equality unless it is used to gain advantage to surpass any perceived equality. Said another way, our competitive nature seeks to overpower those around us and will only press for equality when it is seen as a way of handicapping the competition. No racial or other "group" will ever be satisfied with equality. Humans, like every other living creature, play to win. Laws to ensure equality of opportunity are all that is required of a free system and anything that demands equality of results is anything but freedom.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:30 | 3753286 muleskinner
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Andrew Jackson signed the Indian Removal Act of 1830 and the Cherokee had to walk the Trail of Tears with the 20,000 slaves they owned.  The red man has suffered more real genocide than the Jews, but the Jews squeal like stuck pigs when they get hurt a little bit, so everybody worldwide must listen to them wine constantly.  I digress.  The indigeneous peoples of the southeastern seaboard were extirpated from their native lands and killed off for real estate.  Nobody has any sympathy for them.  Just put them on a reservation and forget about them.  The Manhattan Tribe is no more.  Killed off for Manhattan island.  Greedy bastards, stealing land and making money doing it, fuck you.  The red man gets no respect, I tell ya.

To this day, some folks won't carry a 20 dollar bill, they hate Jackson so much.

The Choctaw were good at hunting down runaway slaves and made a good living returning them to their owners. 

Anyhow, Old Lodgeskins had it right when he said 'the black white man'.  

Goddamned dumbass whitey and blacky never learn nothing.  fuck all of ya  ya'll need to be rubbed out, you never get along so to hell with ya, a bunch of damn dumb racists, all of ya

Obama is a dumbass too.  Humanity just plain sucks sometimes.

One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic said Stalin, Obama's number one mentor, so why should Obama give a damn about Trayvon?

All war, all of the time - Hunter Thompson

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 01:08 | 3753336 otto skorzeny
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fuck 'em- now go grab that beer out of the fridge that whitey invented and turn that AC down that whitey invented and quit your bitching- the only thing the meek inherit is dirt.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:32 | 3753289 indio007
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Race = Just another idiotic social construct

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:41 | 3753302 U4 eee aaa
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The black community in the US has clearly hardened. They are no longer listening to or trust the American dream and those that sell it. They have been lied to and let down by the promise of the future for so long that they are teaching their kids that there is no point trying and only rebellion and open warfare against the state is what you live for. I'm not sure I can blame them. Maybe they are just quicker on picking up on what is really happening here. When you have been pushed down for so long you begin to get an instinct for the next deal and whether or not it is worth fighting for. The black community has an ear for disenfranchisement

I guess that is what is making them different than the US white population. The white population is only in the first generation of being lied to and let down regarding the American dream. They have yet to be hardened. They are a generation or two from no longer trusting the state and rebelling like the almost 'never been welcome at the table' black community. The white community is still teaching their kids that if you work hard and get a good education you can make it in America. Their kids are being 'taught' otherwise and they will teach it to their kids

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 01:13 | 3753339 Oldwood
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What lie do you refer? Plenty of black Americans have had great success in business and politics. Why I do believe we have an almost black President. The lie that I know they have been told is the one that says that regardless of how hard they try they will never see success. Yes, the lies that politicians and self appointed black leaders have been telling them. No need in an education unless you can get a sports scholarship. Working a regular job is "selling out" to the white man. To assimilate into mainstream American culture is to deny your culture, even if you have to make one up. Yes you are right, they have been lied to plenty. 

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 01:22 | 3753343 U4 eee aaa
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I'm talking the economic lie of the 'current' (not past) American dream.

That is still bearing its fruit and will be in full bloom soon.

Get back to me in about 20 years and you'll understand what I'm talking about

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:43 | 3753304 One And Only
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"Get ready for a possible crossfire"

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:44 | 3753307 Freewheelin Franklin
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+1 for Sowell.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 00:45 | 3753308 Notarocketscientist
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Nothing new here - Jews were massacred - and now they are massacring Palestinians.

You wanna see racism - you just wait a year or two more - when the global financial system collapses - and it does not recover (because we are at Peak Oil) - there is gonna be a blood bath.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 01:31 | 3753320 nyquil762
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Are we really going to fall for this "black/white" hate propaganda roadshow the government is spewing? Wake up! Anyone ever heard of "divide and conquer"?

Mark Twain – ‘It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.’


Mon, 07/15/2013 - 01:06 | 3753329 Element
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I blame Bryant Gumbel and Katie Couric co-hosting the Today Show.

This is where things really went off the rails, but no one wants to face up to it.

Parachuting-in Ann Curry and Matt Lauer just took it to the next level.

Things have gotten steadily worse ever since.

There, I've said it.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 01:21 | 3753340 ebworthen
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It's like one of the pustules that shows up when you get the black plague.

Mon, 07/15/2013 - 01:06 | 3753334 Morla
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swmnguy you're not making any sense. Zimmerman didn't have the option of walking away from this fight. Have you looked up the basic facts of this case?

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