Saudi Arabia "Outraged" At Obama's Peace Overtures With Syria, Iran

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Back in August, just after the false flag chemical weapon attack in Syria, we showed that despite all the posturing by the Obama administration (and, of course, France's belligerent, socialist leader Francois Hollande), the nation behind the entire Syrian campaign was not one of the "democratic", Western nations but none other than close neighbor Saudi Arabia, and the brain orchestrating every move of the western puppets was one Bandar bin Sultan, the nation's influential intelligence chief. We also explained the plethora of geopolitical and mostly energy-related issues that Saudi and Qatar had at stake, which they were eager to launch a regional war over, just to promote their particular set of selfish interests. A month later, in clear confirmation that this was precisely the case, the WSJ reported that the recent overtures by Obama, brilliantly checkmated by Putin, to push for a peaceful resolution with not only Syria, but suddenly Iran as well, has managed to infuriate Saudi Arabia: traditionally one of the US' closest allies in the region and the key source of crude oil to the western world.

From the WSJ:

The Obama administration's handling of overtures on Syria and Iran have outraged regional ally Saudi Arabia, which is signaling it wants to do more to boost the power of armed Sunni rebel groups on the ground in Syria as the U.S. pursues diplomacy.


Saudis fear that Syrian President Basher al-Assad will use the time afforded by U.S.- and U.N.-backed diplomacy on Syria "to impose more killing and to torture its people," Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal said Thursday night in New York, in a warning that was overshadowed by the attention paid to the weekend's first public contacts in three decades between the presidents of Iran and the U.S.


Two developments have particularly alarmed Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, another Gulf state: U.S.-backed diplomacy that is giving Mr. Assad an opportunity to surrender his chemical weapons, heading off a U.S.-military strike against the Assad regime; and warming relations between Messrs. Obama and Rouhani.


On Sept. 12, as Mr. Rouhani was tweeting some of the first Iranian overtures in decades to the West, former Saudi diplomat Turki al Faisal was telling a London defense forum that Iran's leaders should stand trial for war crimes for supporting Mr. Assad.


"The current charade of international control over Bashar's chemical arsenal would be funny if it were not so blatantly perfidious, and designed not only to give Mr. Obama an opportunity to back down, but also to help Assad butcher his people," Prince Turki said then.

Oh yes, it is the inequitable treatment of Syrian people that has outraged that paragon of humanism and civil liberties, Saudi Arabia, whose oligarchs are best known for paying billions in petrodollars to bribe their own populace in 2011 to avoid the same swift and terminal fate that befell all other regional dictators during the Arab Spring. Surely the transit of local commodities, either crude or primarily LNG under Syria, has nothing to do with Saudi outrage at the US betrayal of its national interests.

So with the main western ally out of the picture, it means Saudi Arabia will have to brave it alone.

The Saudi foreign minister's declaration is significant because Saudi Arabia, while one of the main suppliers of Syria's predominately Sunni opposition, up to now has heeded U.S. fears throughout the conflict that aid to Syrian rebels could strengthen armed, anti-Western Sunni factions. Shiite Muslim Iran backs Mr. Assad in the Syrian conflict, while most Sunni Muslim-ruled Gulf Arab states support the rebels fighting to overthrow Mr. Assad.


Saudi Arabia, for example, long held off on supplying Stinger-style missiles to Syrian rebels because of U.S. worries the missiles could be used against Western targets, security analysts briefed by Saudi officials say. Saudi Arabia increased pressure on the U.S. to allow arming the rebels with antiaircraft weapons this summer, as larger numbers of Hezbollah fighters entered the conflict on the side of Mr. Assad's regime.

Ironically, in now desperately trying to make it appear that Obama (and John Kerry) is a pacifist after nearly launching World War III (while simply playing a minor role in a script designed by Vladimir Putin), the Nobel peace prize winner has succeeded in alienating a key strategic ally while gaining absolutely nothing in return.

Saudis now feel that the Obama administration is disregarding Saudi concerns over Iran and Syria, and will respond accordingly in ignoring "U.S. interests, U.S. wishes, U.S. issues" in Syria, said Mustafa Alani, a veteran Saudi security analyst with the Geneva-based Gulf Research Center.


"They are going to be upset—we can live with that," Mr. Alani said Sunday of the Obama administration. "We are learning from our enemies now how to treat the United States."

Why with friends like these, who needs to create false flag attacks against US enemies...

At the end of the day, however, Saudi knows that it can not jeopardize
its key customer relationships and certainly not the Petrodollar, so
while it is worried about the religious and political implications of
what a failure in Syria means, there is little it can actually do on its

Sunni-dominated Gulf Arab governments, especially Saudi Arabia, deeply fear that Shiite Muslim-ruled Iran wants to use Shia populations in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain and Yemen to destabilize Gulf Arab governments and try to throw the regional balance of power toward Iran.


Saudi Arabia wants the U.S. and Iran to improve relations for the sake of Middle East stability, but no longer trusts the Obama administration to look out for Saudi Arabia's fears of perceived Iranian expansionism, said Mr. Alani, the analyst with the Gulf Research Center.


In truth, Saudi and other Gulf Arab countries have little leverage to advance their aims in any U.S.-Iran diplomacy, Gulf security analysts said. Beyond revving up support for rebels in Syria, Saudis have only a few other means, such as directing more of their arms or energy deals to Asia, said Michael Stephens, researcher at the Royal United Services Institute think tank in Qatar.


"They feel a little bit powerless in all this," Mr. Stephens said. "The fact that this process is going on…it directly affects them and they have no say in it."

But while Saudi Arabia, tremendous diplomatic manipulator that it is, will behave rationally, it is far less certain what Israel will do and how it will respond to the sudden and very much unexpected US detente in the middle-east: an unpalatable peaceful outcome to the two nations, and one where Israel and Saudi bellicose interests are very much aligned.

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Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:37 | 4003732 lolmao500
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Fuck Saudi Arabia. The ones who should have been bombed to oblivion after 9/11 is them... not for 9/11 but for all the extremists crap they support. All that wahabist suicide bombers/women are men's slaves crap comes from that rotten regime.

And I'm surprised ZH didn't talk about the Russian diplomat murdered in South Ossetia along with his wife by a CHECHEN just as Syrian tensions were spiking... a few months after Saudi Arabia intelligence told to Putin's face that they controlled chechen terrorists in Russia and that if Russia didn't play ball, shit would start blowing up... I mean come on. More obvious than that...

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:43 | 4003761 strannick
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We need the Russians to stop us from serving the Sheik? We need Putin to tell us that funding Christian-killing, Sharia-law enacting Al Quada to enrich Qatari and Saudi Royalty is wrong?

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:43 | 4003771 Fukushima Sam
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I'd be more likely to support a military strike against Saudi Arabia than Syria.  Moar plunder!

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:10 | 4003819 espirit
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Starting with a fresh deck so we can identify who our enemies are.

I get it... everybody is.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:44 | 4003883 DaddyO
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Things were going the Saudis way until Putin stepped in and flexed some Russian muscle and put the whole attack scenario on hold.

Look for Iran to gain a bigger advantage in the MENA region with the implicit approval of the Ruskies.

Obama was made to look like a rank amateur, not yet sure if that was by design or due to imcompetence.

I guess we'll know in the fullness of time...


Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:57 | 4003906 DoChenRollingBearing
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Obama is a rank amateur.  Our policy need be nothing more than letting Muslims kill each other off.  What business is it of ours?  We have our own problems here.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:58 | 4003919 wee-weed up
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I'm all for ignoring them and letting them slaughter each other...

But unfortunately, the Obama Admin is doing everything it can...

To stifle oil efforts in the US...

And guess who has plenty of oil ready to sell?

This Admin makes us dependent on the Muzzies.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:10 | 4003940 DaddyO
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Roger that on the rank amateur! It just seemed to fly in the face of the great and powerful image of fearless leader who can do no wrong and is the most intelligent president we have ever known.

As to letting them slaughter each other, I'm all for it, unfortunately TPTB brought it to our shores and made it personal.

The one bright spot on this whole presidency is their stiff arming of Netanyahu.

But the pendulum seems to have swung way over to the otherside of equilibrium.

I say stop the foreign aid and let these little fifedoms stand on their own two feet.


Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:32 | 4003985 Keyser
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I would imagine that Bandar Bush is having a cow right about now, since his subterfuge in drawing the US into a war in Syria has backfired in his face with peace talks on the table. And oh how they larfed. 


Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:42 | 4004006 Chupacabra-322
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The Saudis are Wahabbi scum. The Saudis were banished from the Islamic world for most of their existence, they lived in the middle of the Arabian dessert and were the enemies of Islamic progress such as science, literature, politics, law, and philosophy.

When the British divided the Ottoman Empire, they used the radical Saudis (the Arab version of the KKK) to gain control of the Holy cities, put them in power, and gave them lots of money and guns. So long as they kept the oil flowing and kept people beaten into submission, then they were allowed to run the “Kingdom”.

So you see, Islam has been hijacked by a bunch of radicals cloaked as Muslims, when really they are just Godless scumbags paid by Western governments and corporations.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 20:00 | 4004260 tony wilson
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and a bit of tavistock

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 21:04 | 4004390 Running On Bing...
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FU House of Saudi!


Mon, 09/30/2013 - 02:56 | 4004410 philipat
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Not sure I agree with strategic part of that analysis. Saudi might very well move away from the Petrodollar or at least threaten to do so, which would be enough to accelerate the demise in the reserve status of the dollar. It's the only tool they have to put pressure on the US, and a very effective one at that.

Although it might not entirly coincide with their short-term interests, I'm sure that the Russians and Chinese would assist as necessary.

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 07:43 | 4004939 kralizec
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Mighty big word for a Wahabbi camel jockey.

Yo, Prince?  Only we can refer to our President's behavior as perfidious!

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 20:02 | 4004267 tony wilson
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and a bit of tavistock

and a big wedge of jew

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:57 | 4004028 Socratic Dog
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"All that wahabist suicide bombers/women are men's slaves crap comes from that rotten regime"

I've got to say, this must be the most MSM-like, jingoistic, batshit-crazy comment stream I've come across on ZH.  The common theme is that we're fighting the wrong guys.  If only we bombed the shit out of the right country, everything would be fine.

Look, the problem is not that we're bombing the wrong guys.  The problem is that we're bombing ANYONE.  I refer you to Ron Paul.  The US needs to get its armies back from beyond its borders, and disband them.  The US should have only a defensive capability.  Anything more than that and we may as well formally hand it over over to the fascists and the NSA.  We're not far off that anyway.

I don't give a rat's ass how the wahabis treat their women.  If you pinned me down, I'd have to say I rather approve of it.  We haven't gained a whole lot by letting women be "liberated".  Unless you consider the wholesale slaughter of foetuses a plus.  Come to think of it, for every suicide bomber there are probably 100 abortions carried out in his honor in the US.

I reckon Ron Paul would be ashamed of this stream.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 19:41 | 4004211 Harry Dong
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I refer you to Ron Paul.

Perhaps you meant Ross Peroit? 

What's with this Savior Complex in my fellow citizens? Or are we still looking for the Royals to show us the way? 

Free yourself from your shackles and be the change you see yourself becoming. 

*oh god, I'm becoming Jacko*

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 20:27 | 4004309 Al Huxley
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I'm with you on the military component, but why did you confuse the gist of your comment with the unrelated side rant against women's liberation and abortion?  They're totally unrelated, and you throw that in like some little rider on a bill getting passed through Congress - 'if you want to support adequate medical aid for wounded veterans you're going to have to also pass this rider approving immunity from prosecution for bankers implicated in fraud or criminal activities'. 

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 21:15 | 4004411 Socratic Dog
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Fair enough Al.  But this is Fight Club, so a bit of a side rant is to be expected.

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 00:09 | 4004705 The Big Ching-aso
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I think you lick your balls too much.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 19:33 | 4004193 Tompooz
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"Look for Iran to gain a bigger advantage in the MENA region with the implicit approval of the Ruskies."

..and since the Ruskies have now become a god-fearing nation, the old atheist-communist bugbear has also vanished.

The leadership of both countries think like the chessplayers they are.


Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:45 | 4004011 Chupacabra-322
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@ Fukushima,

The Saudi family has been warned, the People are tired of their phony “Royal” asses, which was imposed on those people by – you guessed it – the Brits. They even helped create that Fascist form of Islam, Wahabbism. Just like the phony Shah who was foisted on the Iranian people by the CIA at the behest of – you guessed it – the Brits and BP. The person who has advised them said that they should pack up and get out of Dodge, so to speak. When TSHTF there, the Middle East will really be in turmoil. I don’t think the West really wants that one to crash, but who knows what those evil oil-creatures have in mind?

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 00:33 | 4004725 Freddie
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Islam was also "foisted" on the Persians (Iran).  The Iranians and Syrians are not Arabs and I doubt if the Saudis (mazeltov) really are.  

The Brits/BP = royals = the red shield family of Satan = the puppet masters of the House of Saud.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 20:58 | 4004379 Wahooo
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There's room for only one Muslim king in this world and he's occupying the White House. Bandar, you are screwed.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:39 | 4003763 Xibalba
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Meanwhile, the teenage girl who got raped by 7 men was sentanced to 200 lashes with men?  Nope!  It was because her lawyer insulted the courts.  

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:39 | 4003874 wee-weed up
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Hey, this is the country that says women can't drive because it damages their ovaries.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:02 | 4003926 SilverIsKing
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Apparently you've never driven with my wife behind the wheel. Believe me when I tell you that if I had ovaries, they'd be destroyed by now.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:32 | 4003983 CH1
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Okay, that was cute.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 21:06 | 4004396 Running On Bing...
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I gave you a +1 for recognition of the cutesy wootsy.


Sun, 09/29/2013 - 19:32 | 4004192 Harry Dong
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Don't  Like My Driving? Get off the Sidewalk!

I'd post a link but it'd prbly be deleted (rightly).

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:08 | 4003939 Herd Redirectio...
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Exactly.  The rest of the world's womens ovaries have clearly been damaged by...  I'm sorry what?  And they use to call conspiracy theorists the batshit crazy ones.  Now we all know its the Zionists and Statists and their ilk who are batshit crazy.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 20:32 | 4004300 MichiganMilitiaMan
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This whole ovary and driving issue may have merit.  Compare birth rates of countries where women are liberated, and drive alot to countries where women are not liberated and don't drive. I'll guarentee you that in countries where women can't drive, or drive very little, those countries have the highest birth rates.  Hence, driving must be damaging to Western women's ovaries.

There, see how easy that was!

Sarc off by the way.

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 01:07 | 4004751 chindit13
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I don't know if this will add to this tangent or not, but I was told once in SA, by a Filipino driver, that the car wasn't the only thing he had to service.  I asked around and apparently this is a common tale, and one with a skill for 'driving' gets passed around among various cliques of idle rich wives.  The drivers said they were petrified, because if caught they would lose more than their head.  Failure or unwillingness to perform got them the threat that they would be accused of doing it anyway, albeit by force, which would result in the same loss of heads.  They couldn't even run, because employers hold employees' passports in lands where slavery still exists in all but name. Oh, and there are the occasional fruits of the man's labor, but what face-saving husband to four wives is going to admit the possibility that it's not his gene pool?

Of course it could be apocryphal and just a collective gag played by the Filipino community on gullible ex-pats.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 23:37 | 4004312 Tijuana Donkey Show
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"The rest of the world's womens ovaries have clearly been damaged by..." Japanese radiation? GMO's? NFL Sunday ticket?

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:45 | 4003772 lolmao500
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The new generation of moderate islam is like the west... pro-tech, pro-freedom, anti religious bullshit... just look at the young generation in Iran...

Wahabists on the other hand CANNOT BE DEALT WITH. They are the ones blowing themselves up in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria... they are the ones who want to convert or kill whoever isn't a wahabist...

Wahabism as an ideology should be wiped off the map, starting with Saudi Arabia.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:01 | 4003808 kito
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Just like the west? Pro freedom? Like no NSA, stripping of 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th amendments, patriot act, drones? Like that west? You have your compass misfiring.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 18:07 | 4004039 Chupacabra-322
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@ Kitco,

You left out Torture, Rendition & NDAA.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 23:06 | 4004641 Wahooo
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West and Wahabism are one and the same.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:47 | 4003897 john39
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wahabism is the bastard step child of zionism...

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:11 | 4003943 Herd Redirectio...
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Instead of terrorists we should just call them mercenaries.  Because thats what they are.  If they weren't being paid (either directly, or indirectly, to their families), trained and armed they couldn't commit acts of terror.   Never mind the other 'services' MI5, CIA, Mossad etc are willing to provide.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 23:06 | 4004642 Wahooo
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Mercenaries - you mean the U.S. troops?

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:11 | 4003945 Headbanger
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"Moderate Islam" is a contradiction in terms. 

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:35 | 4003991 CH1
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No, it's not. No promise on the numbers, but they do exist.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 20:26 | 4004310 Calmyourself
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Ha, A radical Muslim wants to convert or kill you, a moderate Muslim wants the radical Muslim to convert or kill you.  That's fairly moderate, your right..

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 02:47 | 4004806 scraping_by
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Most of the Iranians and Paks I used to hang with were easy going, moderate, modern, but usually looking over their shoulders for the hard-ass types. Not just Taliban or Wahabbis, but Savak and other political apparatus.

Imagine the whole world's an Evangelical Bible College. but most of the students wanted to go to Party U. Not Breaking Amish (a fraud, by the way) but more like looking for a back quad to smoke and swap stores instead of going to Gospel Systematics class.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 19:52 | 4004221 Tompooz
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"Moderate Islam" is a contradiction in terms."


I downvoted that, sorry.

Islam means "surrender [to God]".

As citizens of occupied countries and husbands of religious wives can testify, "Moderate surrender" is quite doable.


Mon, 09/30/2013 - 07:26 | 4004918 BorisTheBlade
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Moderate Islam without any contradiction in terms is the version(s) of Islam without forced enactment of Shariah law upon infidels. Radicals in KSA seek to establish their version of Islam and Dar Us Salaam in very strict definition in places, which are not even Islamic to begin with. Moreover, Salafits and Wahabis get into conflict not just with non-Muslims, but even more so with different offshoots of Islam while trying to establish 'pure Islam' without any recognition of internal diversity of religion and the way it is practiced in different places. Their interpretation of Islam is very radical, but it creates general perception of religion among non-Muslims thanks to the fact that their actions get more media coverage. I don't know if it's intentional, but I wouldn't be surprised if I learned one day that British intelligence post Ottoman Empire dissolution and CIA after WWII worked very closely with House of Saud to keep that knife sharp.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:02 | 4003809 yogibear
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When Kerry said the bombing and conflict with Syria was already paid for where do you think the money was coming from?

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:03 | 4003929 SilverIsKing
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He mentioned them by name.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:36 | 4003988 giovanni_f
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