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Saudi Arabia "Outraged" At Obama's Peace Overtures With Syria, Iran

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Back in August, just after the false flag chemical weapon attack in Syria, we showed that despite all the posturing by the Obama administration (and, of course, France's belligerent, socialist leader Francois Hollande), the nation behind the entire Syrian campaign was not one of the "democratic", Western nations but none other than close neighbor Saudi Arabia, and the brain orchestrating every move of the western puppets was one Bandar bin Sultan, the nation's influential intelligence chief. We also explained the plethora of geopolitical and mostly energy-related issues that Saudi and Qatar had at stake, which they were eager to launch a regional war over, just to promote their particular set of selfish interests. A month later, in clear confirmation that this was precisely the case, the WSJ reported that the recent overtures by Obama, brilliantly checkmated by Putin, to push for a peaceful resolution with not only Syria, but suddenly Iran as well, has managed to infuriate Saudi Arabia: traditionally one of the US' closest allies in the region and the key source of crude oil to the western world.

From the WSJ:

The Obama administration's handling of overtures on Syria and Iran have outraged regional ally Saudi Arabia, which is signaling it wants to do more to boost the power of armed Sunni rebel groups on the ground in Syria as the U.S. pursues diplomacy.


Saudis fear that Syrian President Basher al-Assad will use the time afforded by U.S.- and U.N.-backed diplomacy on Syria "to impose more killing and to torture its people," Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal said Thursday night in New York, in a warning that was overshadowed by the attention paid to the weekend's first public contacts in three decades between the presidents of Iran and the U.S.


Two developments have particularly alarmed Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, another Gulf state: U.S.-backed diplomacy that is giving Mr. Assad an opportunity to surrender his chemical weapons, heading off a U.S.-military strike against the Assad regime; and warming relations between Messrs. Obama and Rouhani.


On Sept. 12, as Mr. Rouhani was tweeting some of the first Iranian overtures in decades to the West, former Saudi diplomat Turki al Faisal was telling a London defense forum that Iran's leaders should stand trial for war crimes for supporting Mr. Assad.


"The current charade of international control over Bashar's chemical arsenal would be funny if it were not so blatantly perfidious, and designed not only to give Mr. Obama an opportunity to back down, but also to help Assad butcher his people," Prince Turki said then.

Oh yes, it is the inequitable treatment of Syrian people that has outraged that paragon of humanism and civil liberties, Saudi Arabia, whose oligarchs are best known for paying billions in petrodollars to bribe their own populace in 2011 to avoid the same swift and terminal fate that befell all other regional dictators during the Arab Spring. Surely the transit of local commodities, either crude or primarily LNG under Syria, has nothing to do with Saudi outrage at the US betrayal of its national interests.

So with the main western ally out of the picture, it means Saudi Arabia will have to brave it alone.

The Saudi foreign minister's declaration is significant because Saudi Arabia, while one of the main suppliers of Syria's predominately Sunni opposition, up to now has heeded U.S. fears throughout the conflict that aid to Syrian rebels could strengthen armed, anti-Western Sunni factions. Shiite Muslim Iran backs Mr. Assad in the Syrian conflict, while most Sunni Muslim-ruled Gulf Arab states support the rebels fighting to overthrow Mr. Assad.


Saudi Arabia, for example, long held off on supplying Stinger-style missiles to Syrian rebels because of U.S. worries the missiles could be used against Western targets, security analysts briefed by Saudi officials say. Saudi Arabia increased pressure on the U.S. to allow arming the rebels with antiaircraft weapons this summer, as larger numbers of Hezbollah fighters entered the conflict on the side of Mr. Assad's regime.

Ironically, in now desperately trying to make it appear that Obama (and John Kerry) is a pacifist after nearly launching World War III (while simply playing a minor role in a script designed by Vladimir Putin), the Nobel peace prize winner has succeeded in alienating a key strategic ally while gaining absolutely nothing in return.

Saudis now feel that the Obama administration is disregarding Saudi concerns over Iran and Syria, and will respond accordingly in ignoring "U.S. interests, U.S. wishes, U.S. issues" in Syria, said Mustafa Alani, a veteran Saudi security analyst with the Geneva-based Gulf Research Center.


"They are going to be upset—we can live with that," Mr. Alani said Sunday of the Obama administration. "We are learning from our enemies now how to treat the United States."

Why with friends like these, who needs to create false flag attacks against US enemies...

At the end of the day, however, Saudi knows that it can not jeopardize
its key customer relationships and certainly not the Petrodollar, so
while it is worried about the religious and political implications of
what a failure in Syria means, there is little it can actually do on its

Sunni-dominated Gulf Arab governments, especially Saudi Arabia, deeply fear that Shiite Muslim-ruled Iran wants to use Shia populations in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain and Yemen to destabilize Gulf Arab governments and try to throw the regional balance of power toward Iran.


Saudi Arabia wants the U.S. and Iran to improve relations for the sake of Middle East stability, but no longer trusts the Obama administration to look out for Saudi Arabia's fears of perceived Iranian expansionism, said Mr. Alani, the analyst with the Gulf Research Center.


In truth, Saudi and other Gulf Arab countries have little leverage to advance their aims in any U.S.-Iran diplomacy, Gulf security analysts said. Beyond revving up support for rebels in Syria, Saudis have only a few other means, such as directing more of their arms or energy deals to Asia, said Michael Stephens, researcher at the Royal United Services Institute think tank in Qatar.


"They feel a little bit powerless in all this," Mr. Stephens said. "The fact that this process is going on…it directly affects them and they have no say in it."

But while Saudi Arabia, tremendous diplomatic manipulator that it is, will behave rationally, it is far less certain what Israel will do and how it will respond to the sudden and very much unexpected US detente in the middle-east: an unpalatable peaceful outcome to the two nations, and one where Israel and Saudi bellicose interests are very much aligned.


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Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:37 | 4003732 lolmao500
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Fuck Saudi Arabia. The ones who should have been bombed to oblivion after 9/11 is them... not for 9/11 but for all the extremists crap they support. All that wahabist suicide bombers/women are men's slaves crap comes from that rotten regime.

And I'm surprised ZH didn't talk about the Russian diplomat murdered in South Ossetia along with his wife by a CHECHEN just as Syrian tensions were spiking... a few months after Saudi Arabia intelligence told to Putin's face that they controlled chechen terrorists in Russia and that if Russia didn't play ball, shit would start blowing up... I mean come on. More obvious than that...

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:43 | 4003761 strannick
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We need the Russians to stop us from serving the Sheik? We need Putin to tell us that funding Christian-killing, Sharia-law enacting Al Quada to enrich Qatari and Saudi Royalty is wrong?

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:43 | 4003771 Fukushima Sam
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I'd be more likely to support a military strike against Saudi Arabia than Syria.  Moar plunder!

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:10 | 4003819 espirit
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Starting with a fresh deck so we can identify who our enemies are.

I get it... everybody is.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:44 | 4003883 DaddyO
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Things were going the Saudis way until Putin stepped in and flexed some Russian muscle and put the whole attack scenario on hold.

Look for Iran to gain a bigger advantage in the MENA region with the implicit approval of the Ruskies.

Obama was made to look like a rank amateur, not yet sure if that was by design or due to imcompetence.

I guess we'll know in the fullness of time...


Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:57 | 4003906 DoChenRollingBearing
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Obama is a rank amateur.  Our policy need be nothing more than letting Muslims kill each other off.  What business is it of ours?  We have our own problems here.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:58 | 4003919 wee-weed up
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I'm all for ignoring them and letting them slaughter each other...

But unfortunately, the Obama Admin is doing everything it can...

To stifle oil efforts in the US...

And guess who has plenty of oil ready to sell?

This Admin makes us dependent on the Muzzies.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:10 | 4003940 DaddyO
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Roger that on the rank amateur! It just seemed to fly in the face of the great and powerful image of fearless leader who can do no wrong and is the most intelligent president we have ever known.

As to letting them slaughter each other, I'm all for it, unfortunately TPTB brought it to our shores and made it personal.

The one bright spot on this whole presidency is their stiff arming of Netanyahu.

But the pendulum seems to have swung way over to the otherside of equilibrium.

I say stop the foreign aid and let these little fifedoms stand on their own two feet.


Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:32 | 4003985 Keyser
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I would imagine that Bandar Bush is having a cow right about now, since his subterfuge in drawing the US into a war in Syria has backfired in his face with peace talks on the table. And oh how they larfed. 


Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:42 | 4004006 Chupacabra-322
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The Saudis are Wahabbi scum. The Saudis were banished from the Islamic world for most of their existence, they lived in the middle of the Arabian dessert and were the enemies of Islamic progress such as science, literature, politics, law, and philosophy.

When the British divided the Ottoman Empire, they used the radical Saudis (the Arab version of the KKK) to gain control of the Holy cities, put them in power, and gave them lots of money and guns. So long as they kept the oil flowing and kept people beaten into submission, then they were allowed to run the “Kingdom”.

So you see, Islam has been hijacked by a bunch of radicals cloaked as Muslims, when really they are just Godless scumbags paid by Western governments and corporations.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 20:00 | 4004260 tony wilson
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and a bit of tavistock

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 21:04 | 4004390 Running On Bing...
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FU House of Saudi!


Mon, 09/30/2013 - 02:56 | 4004410 philipat
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Not sure I agree with strategic part of that analysis. Saudi might very well move away from the Petrodollar or at least threaten to do so, which would be enough to accelerate the demise in the reserve status of the dollar. It's the only tool they have to put pressure on the US, and a very effective one at that.

Although it might not entirly coincide with their short-term interests, I'm sure that the Russians and Chinese would assist as necessary.

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 07:43 | 4004939 kralizec
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Mighty big word for a Wahabbi camel jockey.

Yo, Prince?  Only we can refer to our President's behavior as perfidious!

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 20:02 | 4004267 tony wilson
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and a bit of tavistock

and a big wedge of jew

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:57 | 4004028 Socratic Dog
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"All that wahabist suicide bombers/women are men's slaves crap comes from that rotten regime"

I've got to say, this must be the most MSM-like, jingoistic, batshit-crazy comment stream I've come across on ZH.  The common theme is that we're fighting the wrong guys.  If only we bombed the shit out of the right country, everything would be fine.

Look, the problem is not that we're bombing the wrong guys.  The problem is that we're bombing ANYONE.  I refer you to Ron Paul.  The US needs to get its armies back from beyond its borders, and disband them.  The US should have only a defensive capability.  Anything more than that and we may as well formally hand it over over to the fascists and the NSA.  We're not far off that anyway.

I don't give a rat's ass how the wahabis treat their women.  If you pinned me down, I'd have to say I rather approve of it.  We haven't gained a whole lot by letting women be "liberated".  Unless you consider the wholesale slaughter of foetuses a plus.  Come to think of it, for every suicide bomber there are probably 100 abortions carried out in his honor in the US.

I reckon Ron Paul would be ashamed of this stream.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 19:41 | 4004211 Harry Dong
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I refer you to Ron Paul.

Perhaps you meant Ross Peroit? 

What's with this Savior Complex in my fellow citizens? Or are we still looking for the Royals to show us the way? 

Free yourself from your shackles and be the change you see yourself becoming. 

*oh god, I'm becoming Jacko*

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 20:27 | 4004309 Al Huxley
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I'm with you on the military component, but why did you confuse the gist of your comment with the unrelated side rant against women's liberation and abortion?  They're totally unrelated, and you throw that in like some little rider on a bill getting passed through Congress - 'if you want to support adequate medical aid for wounded veterans you're going to have to also pass this rider approving immunity from prosecution for bankers implicated in fraud or criminal activities'. 

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 21:15 | 4004411 Socratic Dog
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Fair enough Al.  But this is Fight Club, so a bit of a side rant is to be expected.

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 00:09 | 4004705 The Big Ching-aso
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I think you lick your balls too much.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 19:33 | 4004193 Tompooz
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"Look for Iran to gain a bigger advantage in the MENA region with the implicit approval of the Ruskies."

..and since the Ruskies have now become a god-fearing nation, the old atheist-communist bugbear has also vanished.

The leadership of both countries think like the chessplayers they are.


Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:45 | 4004011 Chupacabra-322
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@ Fukushima,

The Saudi family has been warned, the People are tired of their phony “Royal” asses, which was imposed on those people by – you guessed it – the Brits. They even helped create that Fascist form of Islam, Wahabbism. Just like the phony Shah who was foisted on the Iranian people by the CIA at the behest of – you guessed it – the Brits and BP. The person who has advised them said that they should pack up and get out of Dodge, so to speak. When TSHTF there, the Middle East will really be in turmoil. I don’t think the West really wants that one to crash, but who knows what those evil oil-creatures have in mind?

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 00:33 | 4004725 Freddie
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Islam was also "foisted" on the Persians (Iran).  The Iranians and Syrians are not Arabs and I doubt if the Saudis (mazeltov) really are.  

The Brits/BP = royals = the red shield family of Satan = the puppet masters of the House of Saud.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 20:58 | 4004379 Wahooo
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There's room for only one Muslim king in this world and he's occupying the White House. Bandar, you are screwed.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:39 | 4003763 Xibalba
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Meanwhile, the teenage girl who got raped by 7 men was sentanced to 200 lashes with men?  Nope!  It was because her lawyer insulted the courts.  

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:39 | 4003874 wee-weed up
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Hey, this is the country that says women can't drive because it damages their ovaries.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:02 | 4003926 SilverIsKing
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Apparently you've never driven with my wife behind the wheel. Believe me when I tell you that if I had ovaries, they'd be destroyed by now.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:32 | 4003983 CH1
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Okay, that was cute.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 21:06 | 4004396 Running On Bing...
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I gave you a +1 for recognition of the cutesy wootsy.


Sun, 09/29/2013 - 19:32 | 4004192 Harry Dong
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Don't  Like My Driving? Get off the Sidewalk!

I'd post a link but it'd prbly be deleted (rightly).

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:08 | 4003939 Herd Redirectio...
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Exactly.  The rest of the world's womens ovaries have clearly been damaged by...  I'm sorry what?  And they use to call conspiracy theorists the batshit crazy ones.  Now we all know its the Zionists and Statists and their ilk who are batshit crazy.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 20:32 | 4004300 MichiganMilitiaMan
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This whole ovary and driving issue may have merit.  Compare birth rates of countries where women are liberated, and drive alot to countries where women are not liberated and don't drive. I'll guarentee you that in countries where women can't drive, or drive very little, those countries have the highest birth rates.  Hence, driving must be damaging to Western women's ovaries.

There, see how easy that was!

Sarc off by the way.

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 01:07 | 4004751 chindit13
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I don't know if this will add to this tangent or not, but I was told once in SA, by a Filipino driver, that the car wasn't the only thing he had to service.  I asked around and apparently this is a common tale, and one with a skill for 'driving' gets passed around among various cliques of idle rich wives.  The drivers said they were petrified, because if caught they would lose more than their head.  Failure or unwillingness to perform got them the threat that they would be accused of doing it anyway, albeit by force, which would result in the same loss of heads.  They couldn't even run, because employers hold employees' passports in lands where slavery still exists in all but name. Oh, and there are the occasional fruits of the man's labor, but what face-saving husband to four wives is going to admit the possibility that it's not his gene pool?

Of course it could be apocryphal and just a collective gag played by the Filipino community on gullible ex-pats.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 23:37 | 4004312 Tijuana Donkey Show
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"The rest of the world's womens ovaries have clearly been damaged by..." Japanese radiation? GMO's? NFL Sunday ticket?

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:45 | 4003772 lolmao500
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The new generation of moderate islam is like the west... pro-tech, pro-freedom, anti religious bullshit... just look at the young generation in Iran...

Wahabists on the other hand CANNOT BE DEALT WITH. They are the ones blowing themselves up in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria... they are the ones who want to convert or kill whoever isn't a wahabist...

Wahabism as an ideology should be wiped off the map, starting with Saudi Arabia.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:01 | 4003808 kito
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Just like the west? Pro freedom? Like no NSA, stripping of 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th amendments, patriot act, drones? Like that west? You have your compass misfiring.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 18:07 | 4004039 Chupacabra-322
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@ Kitco,

You left out Torture, Rendition & NDAA.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 23:06 | 4004641 Wahooo
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West and Wahabism are one and the same.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:47 | 4003897 john39
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wahabism is the bastard step child of zionism...

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:11 | 4003943 Herd Redirectio...
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Instead of terrorists we should just call them mercenaries.  Because thats what they are.  If they weren't being paid (either directly, or indirectly, to their families), trained and armed they couldn't commit acts of terror.   Never mind the other 'services' MI5, CIA, Mossad etc are willing to provide.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 23:06 | 4004642 Wahooo
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Mercenaries - you mean the U.S. troops?

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:11 | 4003945 Headbanger
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"Moderate Islam" is a contradiction in terms. 

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:35 | 4003991 CH1
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No, it's not. No promise on the numbers, but they do exist.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 20:26 | 4004310 Calmyourself
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Ha, A radical Muslim wants to convert or kill you, a moderate Muslim wants the radical Muslim to convert or kill you.  That's fairly moderate, your right..

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 02:47 | 4004806 scraping_by
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Most of the Iranians and Paks I used to hang with were easy going, moderate, modern, but usually looking over their shoulders for the hard-ass types. Not just Taliban or Wahabbis, but Savak and other political apparatus.

Imagine the whole world's an Evangelical Bible College. but most of the students wanted to go to Party U. Not Breaking Amish (a fraud, by the way) but more like looking for a back quad to smoke and swap stores instead of going to Gospel Systematics class.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 19:52 | 4004221 Tompooz
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"Moderate Islam" is a contradiction in terms."


I downvoted that, sorry.

Islam means "surrender [to God]".

As citizens of occupied countries and husbands of religious wives can testify, "Moderate surrender" is quite doable.


Mon, 09/30/2013 - 07:26 | 4004918 BorisTheBlade
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Moderate Islam without any contradiction in terms is the version(s) of Islam without forced enactment of Shariah law upon infidels. Radicals in KSA seek to establish their version of Islam and Dar Us Salaam in very strict definition in places, which are not even Islamic to begin with. Moreover, Salafits and Wahabis get into conflict not just with non-Muslims, but even more so with different offshoots of Islam while trying to establish 'pure Islam' without any recognition of internal diversity of religion and the way it is practiced in different places. Their interpretation of Islam is very radical, but it creates general perception of religion among non-Muslims thanks to the fact that their actions get more media coverage. I don't know if it's intentional, but I wouldn't be surprised if I learned one day that British intelligence post Ottoman Empire dissolution and CIA after WWII worked very closely with House of Saud to keep that knife sharp.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:02 | 4003809 yogibear
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When Kerry said the bombing and conflict with Syria was already paid for where do you think the money was coming from?

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:03 | 4003929 SilverIsKing
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He mentioned them by name.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:36 | 4003988 giovanni_f
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Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:08 | 4003813 Deathrips
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So when do the Saudis fly back to collaborate with the CIA/Israel on another controlled building demolition...whoops..i mean terrorist attack.


Arent they Jews...take a look at their history. Their fued with Israel is controlled opposition. Im on the fence..but theres some compelling info and it would make sense.



Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:11 | 4003946 Herd Redirectio...
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Yes, there are accusations that the founder of the House of Saud was a Jew, or crypto-Jew.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:37 | 4003994 CH1
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Arent they Jews...

Yes, of course the Saudis are Jews!


Sun, 09/29/2013 - 23:09 | 4004646 Clashfan
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Such legitimate evidence comes from, among other places, our intel from Iraqi intel obtained after the first Gulf War. Research it. It's not proven, but it's far from an absurd allegation.

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 01:03 | 4004746 Freddie
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So was Mick Jones and Joe Strummer.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:39 | 4003996 Tim_
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President Bashar al-Assad's full interview with Venezuela's TeleSUR

"TeleSUR: There is a chessboard under the table. It’s known that there are agreements done under the table, and someone is moving the pieces under the table, and that someone is Israel. Israel has a role in what is happening in Syria. Why are they talking about chemical weapons in Syria and nuclear weapons in Iran while not talking about the Israeli nuclear weapons?"

"President Assad: Israel is an aggressive state. It was created based on expansion. It occupies other people’s land and kills the people surrounding it. It has killed numerous Palestinians for over six decades. It killed numerous Lebanese and many Egyptians, Syrians and others using assassinations, bombing, terrorism and other methods. Today it plays the same role by supporting the terrorists directly in the areas adjacent to the Syrian front, i.e. near the occupied Golan, where it provides them with logistic and medical support and also with information, weapons and ammunition."

"TeleSUR: There are also reports that Israel has oil interests in some Syrian regions?"

"President Assad: This has been reported, particularly concerning oil on the Eastern Mediterranean coast, but these are mere analysis and we have no concrete information. As for Israeli nuclear weapons, as you said, nobody talks about them because Israel, the aggressive state, the rogue state, enjoys full support from the United States in all its policies. It covers up all its crimes. As long as this process of covering up continues inside the United States, in the Security Council and the United Nations, in the international organizations, including the IAEA, it’s no longer surprising that any weapon anywhere in the world can be discussed, but not Israeli weapons. This is the prevailing logic in the world, the logic of hegemony, of colonialism, the logic of force."

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 12:32 | 4005821 tip e. canoe
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Assad is saying all the things MoQ should've said 3 yrs ago

(but was too compromised by his gold stash to do so)

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:19 | 4003829 BlowsAgainstthe...
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Agreed.  Anything that pisses off the Saudis is well worth doing.  That it pisses off Israel too is just icing on the cake. 

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 01:07 | 4004753 Freddie
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They are allies and probably more.  Saudis are the money behind much of US TV and a lot of Las Vegas and gambling. Their friends run both of them.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:19 | 4003836 Winston Smith 2009
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"The ones who should have been bombed to oblivion after 9/11 is them... not for 9/11 but for all the extremists crap they support."

15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis, so it should have been for 9/11 plus all of the other crap they support.  But we have this petrodollar deal with them, so they are given a pass they do not deserve.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:32 | 4003859 lolmao500
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If you believe the official story, yes.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 19:25 | 4004179 Harry Dong
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I don't believe the official story. And the official story is that all (ok most) of the planejackers were Sauds. So what am I missing?

Ahhhh.... I see. The isreali connection.  again, Sorry I'm so slow.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:54 | 4003912 debtor of last ...
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Lolmao, it's a petrodollar regime. Like all others. When it fails, say bye bye to 98% of the world economy, and welcome the new warlords.

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 02:36 | 4004803 scraping_by
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More likely the same effect as the Smoot-Hawley import restrictions that are the unspeakable little secret of the USA's post-WWII prosperity.

If America had America's currency and not the World Casino Chip, we might have a functioning economy instead of a FIRE cancer. No reason for Asian nations to subsidize export economies based on getting dollars. No reason to sabotage alternate energy production.  No reason for a lot of what we live with.

But The Grand Game is so much fun; if you're not paying for it. Taxes, casualties, collateral damage, etc.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:29 | 4003733 WallowaMountainMan
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Saudi Arabia "Outraged" At Obama's Peace Overtures With Syria, Iran



Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:40 | 4003762 czardas
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This is about as surprising as pro-gay stance from Hollywood. Every nation looks out for itself and SA sees Iran (but mainly Shia Islam) as its main enemy. The Iranians (Shia) feel the same way about the Sunni which is why we get the tit for tat mosque bombings in Iraq, Pakistan, et. GIven the history of mutual slaughter over the centuries this is not about to end anytime soon.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:56 | 4003786 sosoome
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Precisely why we should leave them alone. They'll be too busy fighting each other to worry about us.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:53 | 4003910 DoChenRollingBearing
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Exactly.  If you're having two of your enemies fight each other, why get in the way?

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:32 | 4003981 NihilistZero
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Because unfortunately they have our oil, and our Master's (Israel) land ;-)

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 19:19 | 4004165 Harry Dong
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Sorry I'm so slow. It took me a 100 mile drive to think about who would be most pissed that the USA didn't attack the Assyrians. OK, so I arrived to the same conclusion - the Saud's must be P I S S E D!.

And how will they retaliate?  I'm thinking an October Surprise would fit the bill. The crash of 87' ain't nothing that will compare with what's in store and I don't think the Isreali's will stop it.

(ps. I defer to DoChen on this. I'm just the grasshopper)

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 22:00 | 4004529 DoChenRollingBearing
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Don't mind me, I'm just a fringe blogger...

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:29 | 4003736 wisefool
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I am outraged that saudi arabians drive on the wrong side of the road.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 21:49 | 4004493 Possible Impact
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They believe that they would grow ovaries if they drove on the other side!

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:30 | 4003738 FieldingMellish
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They need at least 5% USD oil price inflation annually. Peace won't bring it.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:31 | 4003739 Gringo Viejo
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Maybe another bow would smooth them out.
But this time it needs to be much, much lower.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:47 | 4003779 Things that go bump
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Most Oriental potentates prefer a bow from a kneeling position with the forehead on the ground. Puppet rulers from a conquored nation may, from that position, offer their sheathed sword as a tribute.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:01 | 4003806 logicalman
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Given I'm an archer, I would agree that a bow in the right hands could help!

More poundage, not lower!

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:08 | 4003817 kaiserhoff
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If the Indians had compound bows, they'd still be running North America.

Not just a few casinos and cigarette stands.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:20 | 4003834 Cosmicserpent
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Well, compound bows and immunizations.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 23:40 | 4004691 Tijuana Donkey Show
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And some genes that helped with alcohol addiction.....

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 02:29 | 4004799 scraping_by
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And a little better diplomacy for long-standing tribal feuds...

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:30 | 4003740 IReallyDontCare
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If any country in the world needs a regime change,its this medieval craphole ruled by vipers that spread hate and murder throughout the world. 

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:36 | 4003992 Totentänzerlied
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The UK? Israel? America?

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:31 | 4003741 29.5 hours
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I guess now the Saudi princes will be wanting a refund for all that U.S. military muscle it hired...

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:33 | 4003746 SpykerSpeed
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These guys give women 500 lashes for being gang raped.  These guys are the US Federal Government's friends.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 18:03 | 4004035 Socratic Dog
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"These guys give women 500 lashes for being gang raped"

We just murder the child.  So much more enlightened.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 22:45 | 4004615 merizobeach
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30% of fertiziled zygotes fail to attach to the uteran walls and are expelled with menstration.  Add that to your child-murdering contemplations.

In other words, if your wife has had two children, it's statistically likely that she has also murdered your third child, (according to stupid fucking reasoning).

Abortion is a woman's right and no concern or matter of yours.  So STFU, and then learn that fetuses and zygotes are not children.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 23:05 | 4004639 IdiocracyIsAlre...
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And that statist solutions to "stop abortion" are just like all statist solutions - an affront to the rights of individuals to make decisions about their own lives.  I can't believe the number of so-called "libertarians" on this site who turn into hard core statists when it comes to women and gays.  If you believe that the strong arm of government is OK when enforcing your religious/social views, you are not a friend of liberty.

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 01:12 | 4004754 Escapeclaws
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Yes, it's been scientifically proven that, genetically speaking, the zygote/fetus is actually a horse up to the date of birth. Don't be deceived by the human appearance.


Mon, 09/30/2013 - 01:04 | 4004748 chindit13
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I wish I could be half the man you are.  If my spouse were ever raped by an escaped convicted serial killer, I'd have a heck of a time paying for the resulting little lad's six figure college education.  Braces, maybe I could do.  More power to you for having the faith to love life in all its forms.  No lines drawn anywhere.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:35 | 4003749 Yes_Questions
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That's why all the Embassies were being evacuated..

Fuck You Saudia Arabia.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:37 | 4003752 Kirk2NCC1701
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It's time that the Camel Jockeys got the (George Takei) San Francisco Treat.  And I don't mean Rice A Roni.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 22:01 | 4004531 DoChenRollingBearing
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Creative language merits a + 1

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:53 | 4003754 lolmao500
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Maybe they'll stop selling America oil? I wish they did, they would get invaded real fast.

I mean, if they really are THAT outraged... they should man up and invade Syria by themselves and go toe to toe with the Ruskies. If not, then they should SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Also, WHERE ARE THE SANCTIONS against Saudi Arabia and Qatar for supporting terrorists? Oh wait, America is doing it too so it's alright!

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:48 | 4004014 SWRichmond
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Bomb Saudi Arabia.  Drone strikes on Saudi Arabia.  Target Bandar.  Launch cruise missiles against Saudi Arabia.   Print petrodollars to pay for it.  

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 18:13 | 4004052 Max Cynical
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Why you shouldn't give Arabs guns...

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:36 | 4003756 loveyajimbo
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This maggot Bin Sultan is far worse than Assad...  what the hell ever happened to our Phoenix Group... let's take out these smelly muslim pukes... Oops!  Forgot... we have one in the WH...

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:42 | 4003769 lolmao500
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Obama is a sunni muslim. Of course he's gonna support his bros in Al-CIAda.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:38 | 4003757 cossack55
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"Oil for gold, oil for gold or Euros, or Yen, or Yuan, or Rubles, or....."

cried the barker.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:47 | 4003764 Son of Captain Nemo
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Now is the time for the U.S. Government to tell the likes of Bandar "Bush" and B.B. to sit down and shut the fuck up!

If we give in to there tirade and continue the assault on Assad we will get what is coming to us. 

On the other hand, they may very well be getting what they most deserve in the form of a "Bulava" tipped suppository, which certainly would be a worthwhile consolation prize if we decide to go the Armageddon route.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:41 | 4003766 Nue
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Yeah...Yeah whatever. I'll panic when they announce the direct convertability of Yuan to Oil.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:49 | 4003901 cossack55
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You may panic, I will cheer.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:50 | 4004019 SWRichmond
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panic when they announce the direct convertability of Yuan to Oil.

It's already happening.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:41 | 4003768 Atomizer
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King Abdullah, Prince Naif, Osama bin Laden, Prince Bandar, and Prince Turki— all Saudis

Does this list of names remind you of a special event?

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 23:43 | 4004693 Tijuana Donkey Show
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A bad BET rap award ceremony? 

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 01:00 | 4004744 chindit13
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Hi, I'm Prince Bandar bin Sultan, proprietor of Midnight at the Oasis, and I'm here to announce our new, every day "All You Can Eat" Go-Go-Goat Grab.  Put the camels to bed, baby!  Rich, succulent halal chevon, marinated in our own special pomegranate and cinnamon sauce, all served on a giant bed of saffron flavored rice with my own eponymous'll be screaming Allah ya tee ni al 'afiyah before you know it.  Wash it all down with a bottomless mug of apple juice or peach nectar, and you and the little shebabs will have a night to remember.  Sah tain !  Special walled off rooms for your lesser halves, of course, and all jihadis eat for half price on Fridays.  Sorry, Sunnis only.  And kitchen is closed during prayer time.  Come on, make the pilgrimage to Midnight at the Oasis. It doesn't have to be Eid to eat like a Sultan, with a Sultan.  We're on the Corniche, just two clicks north of the Mecca al Mukarramah Flyover, across Palestine Road from the Shari'a post-Amputation PT Center.

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 12:29 | 4005813 tip e. canoe
tip e. canoe's picture're on fire in this thread chindit...thanks for the anecdotes...very telling indeed...

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:49 | 4003780 sosoome
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Just release the 911 FBI files already, and lets find out what role SA actually played in that sordid affair.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:26 | 4003846 ToNYC
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Nobody wants to eat what that felafel looks like on a roll.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 18:52 | 4004120 Chupacabra-322
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@ sosoome,

You may want to check out Sibel Edmonds at

She has much insight into The False Flag of 911.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 22:14 | 4004553 sosoome
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I'm familiar with Edmonds, but what I want at this point is hard evidence. It is a fact the Bush administration obstructed both commissions and had most of the FBI files which relate to Saudi involvement redacted. Something serious is being hidden there. Lets get them released and see where it leads...

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:56 | 4003792 Moe Howard
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Look out NYC!!!! Duck and cover.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:55 | 4003793 Yen Cross
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    Where are the Israelis' on this latest twist?       Crickets....

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:59 | 4003800 sosoome
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As much Assad is a thorn in their side, I suspect they would rather him as a neighbor than whatever may result in his ouster. Just a guess...

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 23:49 | 4004695 dannyboy
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I'd rather read comments than post, but since nobody has pointed this out and a few people maybe misguided because of your post i'll just post this here.

"We always wanted Bashar Assad to go, we always preferred the bad guys who weren't backed by Iran to the bad guys who were backed by Iran," Oren said

Israel is supporting the Syrial rebels with field hospitals and now it's come out fully supporting them with training and weapons via Shabak (Shinbet).

Guessing probably isn't the best idea on zerohedge.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:57 | 4003794 LeisureSmith
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While the Syrian opposition are now almost exclusively sunni, the opposition to the opposition is also mostly sunni. Divide and conquer did not work as well as planned. Oops.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:59 | 4003798 logicalman
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About time someone put a rabid bat under that fancy dress of his.

Evil fuck.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:01 | 4003804 yogibear
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Come on and threaten to dump the petro dollar Saudi leaders! That's when things get real interesting at the US Federal Reserve.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:25 | 4003812 kito
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Id say this sentiment from the Saudis is big. They aren't afraid to tell the u.s. to flip off. Chip chip chip goes the invincibility stone of the u.s.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:27 | 4003974 DanDaley
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The Saudi's love the strong horse, and it seems that they now smell weakness in Washington...and since we know that Obama still wants to be ridden...

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 23:18 | 4004656 Wahooo
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They might get to fire the first shot. It'll be their last.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:38 | 4003870 screw face
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the briiics are not smiling upon the Saudi's...........

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:06 | 4003814 NoWayJose
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This is a global conflict between Russia and Saudi Arabia. Obama and the United States military are just puppets with too many strings attached to too many puppeteers.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:58 | 4003917 CrashisOptimistic
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You're largely correct and ZH FREQUENTLY forgets how to keep score.

Score is kept in millions of barrels per day.  NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.  And before folks start swaggering about the Bakken, the talk in North Dakota is whether or not the Bakken will peak and begin its decline at 1.1 or 1.6 million bpd in the next 3-4 yrs.   Saudi Arabia is at 9 million bpd.  Russia is at 10.5.  The Bakken is not even in the ballpark, and will be leaving soon regardless.

The issue is Russia sits strong.  They are the big producer of the world.  Obama's diplomacy with Iran is about the 1.5 mbpd Iran has got shut in by sanctions (which still has them exporting about 2 mbpd and is by no means "crippled").  Make no mistake about this -- with oil at $108 or so Brent, it is Obama who is desperate, not Iran.

The Saudis and Russians are going to maneuver to be dominant.  The Saudis will have to accept eventually that just one Russian nuke, just 1 from maybe a rogue military commander they will say, launched onto Ghawar will dirty it with radiation for 500 years and cut Saudi production from 9.5 to 2 million bpd, oil will go to $150 and Russia will collect that revenue.  And worse, no one will dare punish them with an attack that reduces their 10.5 mbpd or oil goes to $250.

Russia is on track for total victory and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:27 | 4003973 Herd Redirectio...
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Oil sands will still be going for a few years.  Although Alberta will resemble Mars in a few years, also.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:41 | 4003998 NihilistZero
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You lost me at Russian Nuke...  To many Tom Clancy reads my friend.  There is a reason MAD has worked so well at averting even tactical nukes for more than 50 years.  You don't win a game by destroying the playing field.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:48 | 4004012 CrashisOptimistic
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One nuke and an apology doesn't affect the playing field.

Well, it actually would define it, but that apology would defuse the whole thing.

You see, it would be minimal casualties out there at the Ghawar field, and those few would be imported Bangladeshi oil workers.  Not even Saudi citizens.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 20:05 | 4004271 Tompooz
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"but that apology would defuse the whole thing."


Mmm..., only if it would include full financial compensation.


Mon, 09/30/2013 - 12:35 | 4005834 tip e. canoe
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2 nukes & a few dozen nuke reactors as payoff did wonders for Japan.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:54 | 4004024 smacker
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If by some odd coincidence of events Russia does fire off a nuke at Saudi, Bandar will lose his Ghawar oil, but he could always go into the glass business!!

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 00:26 | 4004718 chindit13
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Always enjoy your strident pessimism.  Just one thought...I think Saudi upped their production to 10.1 mmbbl/day, but they're still below Russia.  (An aside:  I've long kept a little plastic vial of Ghawar field oil on my work desk.)

I find it somewhat puzzling that Putin is being crowned the new peacemaker.  He's about as deserving of that moniker as Obama is of his Nobel Laureate status.  I'll admit Putin is outmaneuvering Obama by appearing the rational one, when Putin's long term goal is clearly Middle East tension.  Oligarchs get accustomed to $100+ per barrel oil, and are happy to get it now, owing to tension, than later owing to a widespread awareness of the decline in positive EROEI supplies.  Otherwise they would just keep it in the ground until the latter cause for price rise makes their balalaikas sing.  Billionaies don't need more money;  they just want more money, and now rather than tomorrow.

By the way, I hope you are not playing Jeffrey Sachs with the Russians and advising them on strategic policy.

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 01:57 | 4004783 CrashisOptimistic
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Nope, not advising. 

I don't think the billionaires will want money too much longer as they watch Julie Christie in reruns.  They'll probably want US warships and aircraft as payment for oil.

And we'll pay it.  It will be that or starve.

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 02:21 | 4004796 chindit13
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"They'll probably want US warships and aircraft as payment for oil."

The ones we already have, you mean.

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 01:41 | 4004775 Freddie
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The Saudi oil fields are old and shagged out.   They may have a few smaller fields they have not opened but Ghawar is very old.  The Saudis supposedly have to inject seawater to keep the pressures up.  

Someone here once posted a graph on the oil price each country had to maintain to keep all the welfare for the country going.  I would guess the Saudis need $90 to 100 a barrel minimum.   When the oil dries up - game over Saudi Arabia and that could be sooner than later.

Advantage Russia and Putin.  Putin makes the U.S. leadership look pathetic.  His comments to the American public were right on the mark.  He more like most Americans than our muslim in the white hut.


Mon, 09/30/2013 - 02:02 | 4004788 CrashisOptimistic
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See, you're thinking correctly, but you aren't measuring properly.

The time has likely arrived when countries don't think in terms of what price in dollars they must have to pump oil.  It's getting into joules territory, and this will be the only thing central banks can't combat.  When the decision to pump or not depends on joules expended doing so, the money game is over.

OTOH, there is that recent quote about the Bakken.  "I am not willing to predict Bakken output anymore because in 2009/2010 I thought it would be nothing".  The reply was . . . in 2009/2010 the price of oil was $65.  If it still was, Bakken output would be zero and you would have been right.

It's true, actually.  Fracking and horizontal drilling was done in the Austin Chalk in the 1990s.  It's not new technology at all.  Been around almost 20 years.  It just wasn't economical back then and it was abandoned.


Mon, 09/30/2013 - 12:44 | 4005886 tip e. canoe
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fracking still is not economical, and may continue not to be, that is, until the economy is measured in joules as you wisely noted.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:08 | 4003816 Burticus
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Now, we'll see who starts dumping United State_ treasury bills/notes/bonds first, Saudi Arabia, Russia or China.

Following Putin's latest checkmate of our hapless amateur checker-players, whichever way the @$$#01e$ wearing elephant & jackass costumes bend, somebody has a woody waiting for them.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:22 | 4003839 yogibear
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That would eventually trigger "US bank holiday announced".

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:09 | 4003820 Duc888
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'If any country in the world needs a regime change,its this medieval craphole ruled by vipers that spread hate and murder throughout the world."


Bro, who was it again that put them into power?


Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:13 | 4003822 Duc888
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"Is say this sentiment from the Saudis is big. They aren't afraid to tell the u.s. to flip off. Chip chip chip goes the invincibility stone of the u.s."


....and what a shit show this will be!     Epic!






Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:46 | 4003890 screw face
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the Saudi's see a wall of ..briiics

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:18 | 4003827 Tinky
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While there are plenty of good reasons to criticize the Saudis, I must point out that Prince Turki (who is quoted in the post) apparently has a far better command of the English language than around 95% of the U.S. population. Skeptical? Just begin by asking people at random the meaning of the word "perfidious", and enjoy the blank stares.

The point that I am making actually has some deeper meaning, as well. Americans, broadly speaking, are notoriously inept with second (let alone third) languages, and our insidious inability to empathize with those in other countries is not unrelated.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:28 | 4003852 greatbeard
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>> Just begin by asking people at random the meaning of the word "perfidious"

That's why we have google.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 18:59 | 4004135 Chupacabra-322
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per•fid•i•ous (p?r?f?d i ?s)


deliberately faithless; treacherous; deceitful.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 19:25 | 4004177 grunk
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That's why he knows its meaning.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 20:17 | 4004288 calltoaccount
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per•fid•i•ous (p?r?f?d i ?s)

B A N K S T E R S 

deliberately faithless; treacherous; deceitful.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 17:53 | 4004023 lotsoffun
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tinky - nigga yous be lyin.  boy don't gots to have no british education to be uppity.

/sarc - I said the same thing about assad, he speaks slowly, but well.  and articulate and to the point and informed and intelligent

.  these guys aren't stupid, they are very well educated and cultured and wordly.

something our leaders sadly lack - whether it's bush, clinton, bambie, kerry, let's not even go the b-team cheney and joey-boy.

really, it's embarrasing.


Sun, 09/29/2013 - 18:27 | 4004075 Tenshin Headache
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95% of the US population did not go to Oxford (or wherever he got his 0.001% education).

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