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Saudi Arabia "Outraged" At Obama's Peace Overtures With Syria, Iran
Back in August, just after the false flag chemical weapon attack in Syria, we showed that despite all the posturing by the Obama administration (and, of course, France's belligerent, socialist leader Francois Hollande), the nation behind the entire Syrian campaign was not one of the "democratic", Western nations but none other than close neighbor Saudi Arabia, and the brain orchestrating every move of the western puppets was one Bandar bin Sultan, the nation's influential intelligence chief. We also explained the plethora of geopolitical and mostly energy-related issues that Saudi and Qatar had at stake, which they were eager to launch a regional war over, just to promote their particular set of selfish interests. A month later, in clear confirmation that this was precisely the case, the WSJ reported that the recent overtures by Obama, brilliantly checkmated by Putin, to push for a peaceful resolution with not only Syria, but suddenly Iran as well, has managed to infuriate Saudi Arabia: traditionally one of the US' closest allies in the region and the key source of crude oil to the western world.
From the WSJ:
The Obama administration's handling of overtures on Syria and Iran have outraged regional ally Saudi Arabia, which is signaling it wants to do more to boost the power of armed Sunni rebel groups on the ground in Syria as the U.S. pursues diplomacy.
Saudis fear that Syrian President Basher al-Assad will use the time afforded by U.S.- and U.N.-backed diplomacy on Syria "to impose more killing and to torture its people," Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal said Thursday night in New York, in a warning that was overshadowed by the attention paid to the weekend's first public contacts in three decades between the presidents of Iran and the U.S.
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Two developments have particularly alarmed Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, another Gulf state: U.S.-backed diplomacy that is giving Mr. Assad an opportunity to surrender his chemical weapons, heading off a U.S.-military strike against the Assad regime; and warming relations between Messrs. Obama and Rouhani.
On Sept. 12, as Mr. Rouhani was tweeting some of the first Iranian overtures in decades to the West, former Saudi diplomat Turki al Faisal was telling a London defense forum that Iran's leaders should stand trial for war crimes for supporting Mr. Assad.
"The current charade of international control over Bashar's chemical arsenal would be funny if it were not so blatantly perfidious, and designed not only to give Mr. Obama an opportunity to back down, but also to help Assad butcher his people," Prince Turki said then.
Oh yes, it is the inequitable treatment of Syrian people that has outraged that paragon of humanism and civil liberties, Saudi Arabia, whose oligarchs are best known for paying billions in petrodollars to bribe their own populace in 2011 to avoid the same swift and terminal fate that befell all other regional dictators during the Arab Spring. Surely the transit of local commodities, either crude or primarily LNG under Syria, has nothing to do with Saudi outrage at the US betrayal of its national interests.
So with the main western ally out of the picture, it means Saudi Arabia will have to brave it alone.
The Saudi foreign minister's declaration is significant because Saudi Arabia, while one of the main suppliers of Syria's predominately Sunni opposition, up to now has heeded U.S. fears throughout the conflict that aid to Syrian rebels could strengthen armed, anti-Western Sunni factions. Shiite Muslim Iran backs Mr. Assad in the Syrian conflict, while most Sunni Muslim-ruled Gulf Arab states support the rebels fighting to overthrow Mr. Assad.
Saudi Arabia, for example, long held off on supplying Stinger-style missiles to Syrian rebels because of U.S. worries the missiles could be used against Western targets, security analysts briefed by Saudi officials say. Saudi Arabia increased pressure on the U.S. to allow arming the rebels with antiaircraft weapons this summer, as larger numbers of Hezbollah fighters entered the conflict on the side of Mr. Assad's regime.
Ironically, in now desperately trying to make it appear that Obama (and John Kerry) is a pacifist after nearly launching World War III (while simply playing a minor role in a script designed by Vladimir Putin), the Nobel peace prize winner has succeeded in alienating a key strategic ally while gaining absolutely nothing in return.
Saudis now feel that the Obama administration is disregarding Saudi concerns over Iran and Syria, and will respond accordingly in ignoring "U.S. interests, U.S. wishes, U.S. issues" in Syria, said Mustafa Alani, a veteran Saudi security analyst with the Geneva-based Gulf Research Center.
"They are going to be upset—we can live with that," Mr. Alani said Sunday of the Obama administration. "We are learning from our enemies now how to treat the United States."
Why with friends like these, who needs to create false flag attacks against US enemies...
At the end of the day, however, Saudi knows that it can not jeopardize
its key customer relationships and certainly not the Petrodollar, so
while it is worried about the religious and political implications of
what a failure in Syria means, there is little it can actually do on its
own.
Sunni-dominated Gulf Arab governments, especially Saudi Arabia, deeply fear that Shiite Muslim-ruled Iran wants to use Shia populations in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain and Yemen to destabilize Gulf Arab governments and try to throw the regional balance of power toward Iran.
Saudi Arabia wants the U.S. and Iran to improve relations for the sake of Middle East stability, but no longer trusts the Obama administration to look out for Saudi Arabia's fears of perceived Iranian expansionism, said Mr. Alani, the analyst with the Gulf Research Center.
In truth, Saudi and other Gulf Arab countries have little leverage to advance their aims in any U.S.-Iran diplomacy, Gulf security analysts said. Beyond revving up support for rebels in Syria, Saudis have only a few other means, such as directing more of their arms or energy deals to Asia, said Michael Stephens, researcher at the Royal United Services Institute think tank in Qatar.
"They feel a little bit powerless in all this," Mr. Stephens said. "The fact that this process is going on…it directly affects them and they have no say in it."
But while Saudi Arabia, tremendous diplomatic manipulator that it is, will behave rationally, it is far less certain what Israel will do and how it will respond to the sudden and very much unexpected US detente in the middle-east: an unpalatable peaceful outcome to the two nations, and one where Israel and Saudi bellicose interests are very much aligned.
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"perfidious" - as in "perfidous Albion" - isn't that a synonym for the City of London?
Axis of Stability_Saudi-Likud Union.
... and while I get that the greater picture is for Lucifer's army of psychopths to test us, it is still disturbing to watch the human drama. Personally, I could not do it, even if there is supposedly a greater good.
2014 olympics -Sochi ,RAINBOW PARADES and staged terror ... should be a blast
Stay away from the Hoover Damn.
I would like to see the Oligarchs begin bumping themselves off. There is no honor among thieves let alone psychopaths. The CIA might go in and begin destabilizing Saudi Arabia instead of Iran and Syria.
They play by a few rules. Not very many, but there are a few.
One of them is that they don't out each other, and they don't reveal plans, whether someone else's or their own, in public. I see that changing as the ship continues sinking.
The WSJ is hardly a reliable source of information on the ME.
Consider the following from about a decade ago. In the leadup to the 2nd Iraq war, the WSJ tried to:
1) tie Iraq to 9-11,
http://edwardjayepstein.com/2002question/prague.htm
"Czech intelligence had observed Mohamed Atta meeting in Prague with Iraqi Counsel Al-Ani. Since Ani worked as a case officer for Iraqi intelligence, the liaison implied a connection between the hijackers and Iraq. After the leaked story was confirmed by the State Department, the Wall Street Journal and other newspapers published the story about the liaison."
2) tried to tie Iraq to the anthrax attacks,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2001_anthrax_attacks
"In a "featured article", the Wall Street Journal states of the anthrax mailings, "Several circumstantial links to Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda network are already known" and that "Bin Laden couldn't be doing all this in Afghan caves. The leading supplier suspect has to be Iraq."[15]"
3) pushed the Iraqi WMD lie,
http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-fake-intelligence-on-iraqi-wmd-contribu...
"A November 20, 2001 Wall Street Journal op-ed argued that the US should continue to target regimes that sponsor terrorism, claiming, “Iraq is the obvious candidate, having not only helped al Qaeda, but attacked Americans directly (including an assassination attempt against the first President Bush) and developed weapons of mass destruction.”"
to name a few from about 5 minutes of searching.
Ahhhhh, the art of PsyOp & False Narratives. The Global Criminal Oligarch Cabal Bankster Intelligence Crime Syndicate is vast, well funded & pure evil.
It's also possible that Iran's Rouhani is being suckered into a trap by Western powers...USG, UKG & Israel.
Having made some strong "let's all get along together" overtures to the West at the UN last week, if he is unable to deliver on his promises and assurances, it would give Western war-dogs the excuse they need to go for it. Which I'm sure is what many war-dogs in the West really want.
Do you seriously believe the like of Obama, Kerry, Cameron, Hague, Hollande are capable of setting a trap for anyone? The only one setting traps is Putin.
The Iranians are not stupid people...they are not Obama or other Western so-called leaders. If anybody gets played like a fiddle, it will be the man-child.
John McCain and the other war whores really do speak for a segment in this country. The leadership are war profiteers, Zionists, racists, boys with toys militarists, and bankers who batten on government debt. The rank and file are fucking idiots.
Niether Barry nor his handlers have the stones to tell these creeps to go pound sand. Hippie-punching will get him in well with the lecture circuit and the foundation slush fund (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/funderprofile.asp?fndid=5382&category=79).
But the broader national interest or simple humanity? To them, it's just noise.
"We are learning from our enemies now how to treat the United States."
Humpty dumpty...all the kings horses and all the king's men!
US needs to occupy Sauid Arabia and directly control the oilfields. Why are these pricks (SA royals) even making any money on the oil? Its not theirs. It belongs to us. Everything belongs to us. We just need to make sure to secure the Muslim Holy sites and all will be well. The root of all evil is the Saudi royals and their brethern the Zionistas!
Hasn't it occured to anyone that the game in play might actually be Russia turning round and telling the US 'elite' that they have more oil than the Mid-East does, these days, and are quite happy to play ball so long as the money is flowing the right way? That doesn't preclude a war, just makes it a smaller, cooler but wider one that the US and Russian MICs can supply weapons to for the next 20 years.
There's no money in kicking off WW-III in the Mid-East, currently. It can maybe pull the US fat out of the fire for maybe 5 years, but that's all. Throwing former 'allies' to the wolves has the potential to give the US 3-5 times that benefit.
The Saudi royals and the Israelis both want full-on regional war. And they want their American pets to do the fighting and dying and paying. They are currently making this clear to their American congresswhores through well-greased payola channels.
I wonder if Netenyahoo thinks he can pull off another USS Liberty in the day of the Internet.
Bye Bye petro dollar
Saudi Arabia funds, arms and trains (if you can call killing unarmed civilians training...) 100% of the Islamic nut-cases in the world today. They are having a ball setting Africa alight with those drugged up psychos shooting up shopping malls and youth hostels.
It's a disgusting country.
Warning to Obama:
Prince Bandar doesn't care who he sends his hit squads out to off.
Lay down with dogs and you wake up with fleas, Mr. President
As a general rule, Presidents get assasinated when the Vice President is more likeable to the right wing/business community. Lincoln was assassinated by Confederate Secret Service to get Southern Andrew Johnson into office. Johnson put the Southern planter arisocracy back in government in the defeated South.
Do the Saudis want Joe Biden as their Washington lackey? If yes, then maybe.
Curious as the subject of this piece "Prince Bandar" was formerly known as "Bandar Bush", thusly named because his nose was glued to the arse of that felon known as "W" (or vice versa). He was present so much that the Bush family jokingly "adopted" him as a member of the Bush clan.
But nowadays even though the Prince is getting lots of press, I have yet to see the reference in the MSM.
I wonder how many folks have tried to investigate Bandar Bush's potential connection to the Gannon Gosch stuff?
The Saudis are our friends (George Bush).
Fuck these assholes (the Saudis)
So it's a "war crime" for Assad to "butcher" the people the Saudis are paying to "butcher" him. But the Saudis are going to have to live with this outcome because Obama decided that while he also was happy to "butcher" Assad, he didn't want Putin "butchering" him.
gadaffi and saddam,assad and iran
ist it not clear that 911 was an inside job of zionism.
saudi arabia funded,mossad and the usa nobody else.
the jewish house of saud is still standing and raping.
the mad dogs of tel aviv are still making wild threats and testing icbms in the direction of russian cities.
decontructing humaniity for an oil price.
bandar has to go soon followed by his tribe.
do the folks of saudi love that family the way libya loved gaddaffi.
the mi6,the bbc and the cia was on the spot the day gaddaffi was anally raped and killed giving orders dishing out the money and the captagon drugs to hired hand low life scum.
bandar aint finished yet nor his jewish cousin netayahoo false flags incoming,.
am so glad the plan for those evil fucks has fumbeled
Unfortunately, not following the Saudis orders will have severe consequences. Severe. SEVERE. USSA do not dictate to the Saudis. Saudis have the fiat and the GOLD and Oil and USSA will obey (or else).
"How the US is enabling Syriastan" by Pepe Escobar 9/27/13 http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MID-02-270913.html and "Rouhani surfs the new Wave" by Pepe 9/25/13 http://www.atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-02-250913.html
pretty much sums up Saudi Arabia's, Israel's and USSA's fumbling of a 'round-a-bout' perfectla carpe`diem-- Rouhani on the receiving end of a Vlad bullet-pass?!?
here's alittle expos`e of Saudi Arabia's BandarBush as ambassador to the U.S. for 23years (1983-2005)-- a quite telling timeline (His Royal Prince Sultan bin Bandar) ... http://www.saudiembassy.net/about/princebandar.aspx
"Complete 911 Timeline" http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?geopolitics_and_9/11=saudis&timeline=complete_911_timeline&startpos=200
"Timeline Saudi Arabia" http://www.timeline.ws/countries/SAUDIARABIA.HTML
Ps. Mr. David Albright , Mr. David A. Kay and a Mr. John F. Lehman all play into the past and present regarding Syria, Iraq, and Iran? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dav_Albright http://www.muckety.com/David-A-Kay/7845.muckety http://www.muckety.com/John-F-Lehman/22569.muckety
Thankyou, Tyler
oh yeah, i forgot... Vlad does believe in the 'Hail Mary' pass-- no Doug Fluty for the zionistshriasunni kabab`livereaters today,... as they leave their leased warfields with their beheads in a oil`soaked crimsom`bouquet basket... a Koran`Torahesque sedated bellicosity no moar?!?
Go "TAMPA BAY RAYS !!! "
:-))
http://www.timelines.ws/countries/SAUDIARABIA.HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Albright
What the world needs now, is WAVE after WAVE after WAVE. ~ pepe
thanx for the linx
USA! FSA! USA! FSA! USA!...
I forsee another world apology tour. Perhaps this time our ass-clown-in Chief will grovel instead of merely bowing to foreign heads of state?
What's going on shows cristal clear to me that the US is not an independent State but somebody else's puppet. USA corrupted gvt and agencies (see DEA i.e.) are just subsidiaries and the American people puts the money, the young kids to fight somebody else's wars. The USA end up broken, discredited, take the blame for all the atrocities, the American people is overwatched, surveilled, getting poorer and poorer, under the command of the Saudis, Israelis and banksters.
Saudis and the Gulf States are far from impotent. They just suffered a bit of a setback in Syria. Saudis still are the ones controlling the action in Libya and have stepped in Egypt to dictate what is going on through their financial assurances to really kaboosh the Muslim Brotherhood. It is the US who is increasingly impotent in the Middle East but the real action is in Afghanistan/Pakistan/India right now especially with the upcoming Indian elections and a real chance the BJP takes power again. BJP won't take $hit from the Pakis in Kashmir and be as willing to turn a cheek in Afghanistan as they are hit time and time again by the ISI-backed Taliban forces there.
Praise Alibaba IPO
With Syria deal and Iran talks, it is highly possible there will be major shift in US middle east policy.
Take a look at the facts and possibilities:
1. Saudi's have most valuable nationalized oil company Aramco, in which US has no or very little interest
2. Iran has second most valuable nationalized oil company, in which US may soon have interest or Iranian land and shore will be opened for Exxon and Chevron
3. Prince of Abu-Dabi had invested $5Bl into Moscow road infrustructure right after Obama backed off from Syria. Moscow does not need more money to build roads at this time, it has built them already. UAE have it's own interest in Syria and playing against Saudis and Quatar.
Lets look at the possibilities (speculations):
1. While Saudis are only paying US for military protection and buying weapons from US, Iran has more to offer in terms of oil development.
2. It is most likely Lavrov and Putin brokered major deal for US in terms of getting cut from Iran's oil directly or inderectly and from Gazprom-Iran-Syria pipeline which will go through Syrian land under 2010 Syrian-Iraq-Iran-Russian $10bl contract.
3. Besides, while Obama lost his reputation with inability handling internal and international affaires, he will come up as a winner as a president who made piece with Iran after 30 years of hostilities.
4. While Iran will not need as much protection as Saudis, US can retire at least 10% of its military while reducing spending.
5. Even if Saudis threaten US to switch under China protection, it is unlikely to happen
6. Another leverage Saudis have is the arms deals with US. Well, the alternative advanced arm dealer is Russia and Putin has already said to Saudis "NET", so they will have little chance of buying lower grade equipment from China or will have to stick with US.
If we will have developments as outlined in possibilities within next 3-4 months, Russia, US and Middle East will enter new phase of political and economocal cooperation and development. For Obama it is the last straw to save his face and possibly US economy from collapse.
For Obama it is the last straw to save his face and possibly US economy from collapse.
You assume that Obama might actually want to save the US economy from collapse. Sorry, but I don't share your optimism.
I still believe there is "some good" in every person...
If we're in the business of remembering history, shouldn't we remember that Gadaffi and Assad were both brought back into the 'international community' only a few years prior to the West (and its ME allies) launched attacks on their countries?
The apparent detente between Iran and USA can very easily be seen as simply laying the ground work for future kinetic military adventures.
The Saudi's are aligned with Israel on the Syria issue...strange bedfellows.
The Saudi's are aligned with Israel on the Syria issue...strange bedfellows.
Only if you listen to words and ignore deeds.
I'd be a little disappointed with Obama too after getting kissed (or at least my king) then being neglected when I really, really need to pass my gas
I don't care if the Saudis are upset. THEY HAVE SLAVES. So too, for that matter, do our friends the Israelis.
About face people.
Uh oh... the Saudi's are pissed... now that's fucking scary... in an "imagining-Prince-Spy-Chief-naked" sorta way.
I think watching toddler crib cage matches would put my fear level up higher.