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Senate Kills House Bill: What Happens Next
Now that the Senate has killed the latest proposal passed by the House, and with Harry Reid making it clear he is not interested in a one week Continuing Resolution stopgap, Bloomberg reports that the House will take the tabled bill and make these two changes to it:
- HOUSE PLAN SAID TO DELAY INDIVIDUAL MANDATE OF HEALTH CARE LAW
- HOUSE PLAN SAID TO CUT HEALTH SUBSIDIES FOR LAWMAKERS, STAFF; U.S. HOUSE WILL TRY TO PASS NEW EMERGENCY FUNDING BILL REQUIRING OBAMA
AND ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS TO SIGN UP FOR OBAMACARE-REP. ISSA
And, as expected, if and when this iteration of the dead-end bill passes, the Senate will kill it again. So unless there is a dramatic change in strategy by either party, the government shutdown in just over 9 hours (however brief or not so brief) seems inevitable.
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Update: and just to seal the deal, Reid literally adds insult to injury: REID CALLS HOUSE REPUBLICANS `ANARCHISTS'
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will the popcorn machine still work?
Can we buy as many guns as we want without background checks?
buy more ammo anyway
silver ammo?
don't forget some depleted ukranian shells I hear they penetrate 7 inches of bullshit!
Harry "If You Believe The Constitution Is Relevant You're An Anarchist" Reid.
What's left? Fill your busters!
Git 'er done! Shut 'er down!
"Repeal ObamaCare NOW!"
Scratch That!
"Delay ObamaCare NOW!"
Scratch That!
"Delay ObamaCare NOW and REDUCE our Federal Subsidy for the 100% free for life health insurance we receive from the Government!"
Republicans are pathetic.
Kill Bill. I've seen this movie already!
BTFD!
House will kill Senate George.
What other outcome could there be? To be continued...
Impeachment is a great start, unfortunately Criminal Congress, The CRIMINAL DOJ, Supreme Court, DoD/ MIC & agencies are Complicent in the Crimes Against Humanity & Crimes/ High Treason against The American People.
Anything short of Mass arrests of the perpetrators/high level officials is moot.
Impeachment, Arrest, Tri, Convict, Execute. All the Criminals Crimes are out in thee open now for all the world to see.
I'm fairly certain Reid is the kind of guy who would herd "undesirable" people in FEMA camps and be proud he did it.
Just a feeling I've got about him. I guess the world needs people like him. To act as a shining example of how not to be.
But, what if the Consitution really isn't relevant?
http://www.freedomforallseasons.org/TaxFreedomEmail/LysanderSpoonerNoTreason.pdf
But, what if the Consitution really isn't relevant?
http://www.freedomforallseasons.org/TaxFreedomEmail/LysanderSpoonerNoTreason.pdf
No shit the Constitution isn't really relevant, if it was it would have stopped all of this shit from happening.
Typical human, blaming an inanimate object.
Go ahead, downvote. But if the Constitution really is the awe-inspiring document everyone believes it to be, how did we get here if our government is bound to the Constitution. Everything that has been done to circumvent the Constitution has been made Constitutional due to Judicial Review. What is the sense of having the government be allowed to make the laws and then also give it the ability to determine whether or not the law is just?
Because the Constitution is just a set of ideals placed on paper. The ideals don't defend themselves, no matter how noble they are. They require people to be vigilant in their defense. It is not the fault of the Constitution that Americans have become lazy and apathetic. It's still one of the greatest documents ever written.
The Constitution has allowed the American government to swell to the size it is now. Maybe allowed is the wrong word. Has not inhibited would work better. I'm not saying the Constitution is bad, I'm just saying it could be a lot better.
Wrong, the American people have allowed their government to ignore the social contract (The Constitution). If you're not going to insist on them adhering to it of course they will ignore it.
I'm obviously not a constitutional scholar but what in the Constitution gives the people the means to insist that the government adheres to the Constitution?
Voting?
Petitioning?
Protests?
Secession?
Have all these techniques not been utilized in the past?
The second amendment!
Wrong, until the senate was changed, the house was the only democratic part of the government. By then, the government had already been compromised in ways that marginalized the effect the people could have (The FED, IRS, War departments, The Tyrant Lincoln and the inability to secede, Supreme court decisions galore, the institutionalization of education, the infiltration of Zionists at all high levels of government, the courts and media, etc).
100 years of propaganda and mis-education, pollution and poisoned foods and water have rendered the average American fat, stupid and incapable of challenging a determined force.
To ignore the power of zionism in the developed world is sheer ignorance.
The social contract does not exist, nor has it ever. It is a chimera.
Read some Spooner, my friend.
The Declaration of Independence is a set of ideals, the Constitution is the LAW and the unwillingness of the Supreme Court to defend it, the willingness of the executive to shred it and the willingness of Congress to go along are the reason it has failed.
The Constitution was DESIGNED to minimize the effect of the passions (democracy) of the people on government and it's functionality. You might want to read about how the Constitution came into being (a coup d'tat over the Articles of Confederation), why it came into being (the founders were merchantilists) and why it is conveniently ignored when powerful people want it so.
In a more honorable age another Senator would have walked up to this stuttering bag of scat and slapped him across the face and told him to meet him on the capitol steps for the duel.
It would cut this gutless rhetotic to miniscule levels overnight!
Fuck that diseased chamber!
GAAAHHHHHH!!!!!
"anarchist"--sounds like a compliment to me
This whole imbroglio will be resolved sometime tomorrow with some market volatility giving way to a general relief rally.
http://dareconomics.wordpress.com/2013/09/30/around-the-globe-09-30-2013/
That's a pretty bold prediction about agreement between a bunch of unpredictable power-hungry attention-loving narcissistic people. I think it's likely you will be wrong. Anyway, the money printing will continue just the same, and the situation that apparent necessity portends is what is really important here, isn't it?
You left out their homicidal and psychopathic characteristics.
http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/09/30/obama-administration-gave-iranian-p...
Ok so you didn't like that one, instead of delaying it a year, we'll send you another alternative... to repeal it.
"Fuck you, Harry. Fuck You"
-J Boehner
This is like one of them Hollywood movies. A really shitty one.
Make it stop, please make it stop
These guys get paid for this crap. Russia is looking more and more like the real deal. No lawyers and other shysters trying to run a country.
I hear ya!
Love this:
"CUT HEALTH SUBSIDIES FOR LAWMAKERS"?
WTF! These guys are millionaires...why any subsidies? Good lord, someone please tell these "fiscally Conservative, Free Market, No handout Republicans are not accepting free or discounted health insurance from the Government paid for by the Taxpayers?
Of course not !! And they don't accept farm subsidies, or jobs as lobbyists after they leave congress. (Jobs as historians, yes, but that is all.)
You need to wake up buddy.
Barry gave the carve out so the D's would not have to vote on exempting themselves or their staff.
The only problem with a shutdown is that not enough government will be shut down, and not for long enough.
@ knukles
One year yesterday!
Harry Reed sucks donkey dick.
Keep on keeping on.
"Fuck you, Harry. Fuck You"
-J Boehner
P.S (call me, I love you)
If the Republicans want to dely, repeal, modify ObamaCare, then win both houses of Congress and the Presidency...if they can't do that, then tough luck.
They ran on repealing ObamCare last time and went down in flames. Now they're betting the next election cycle on ObamaCare; the results won't be better the second time around.
The Senate/Obama will never delay/repeal, so the R's either have to shut down the Government until the next elections, or they have to cave...horrible corner they've boxed themselves into...all the Democrats have to do is sit back and wait...while reminding the American people it's the Republicans they're waiting on...
They didn't run on anything. That was the problem. Just being against something isn't good enough.
Power of the purse is with the house. This government is run by assigned powers (unless Obama wants to grant a waiver then it is another matter.). The senate and the president have had their shot at funding the government. All they have to do is treat everyone like the special interests that got waivers. A unique notion of being treated equally under the law.
Then Barry, arseholes in congress and all federal employees can sign up for the POS they're trying to ram down our throats.
Make the issue congressional and executive branch carve outs and the R's are on the winning side of that argument.
There isn't a damn thing republicans could do to make me "like" them-- but if they get credit for this shutdown I'll hate them less... and if it lasts all the way till the next election cycle, maybe with a bonus default in between, I'll have no choice but to vote R in all races.
Headbanger, I think I read that you will NOT be able to buy guns period in the (shutdown) interim, but not sure... That may depend on the state you're in as well as the type of gun you want to buy.
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I pulled two grand from the bank today. Each "event" that happens nowadays pushes me to prep a little more. Even if nothing happens (other than shutting the National Parks down, etc.), I cannot find it within me to be an optimist.
I also think it wouyld be fascinating if .gov shuts down for a month or so. We would learn a lot from such an experiment.
With this administration, I want guns sold in vending machines. Shut this fucker down.
American taxpayers save approximately 17 billion "dollars" per each day the government is precluded from pissing their money away (2.4 billion per day of which is borrowed from the future).
#ShutItDown
yes but your life will be totally different from now on!!!
From monday till friday you will have to go to work
you will have to work from 9 to 5
You'll have to shop and relax during the weekends
if you have time you'll can clean your car
...
A SHITTYLIFE WITHOUT THE GOVERNMENT!!! WE HAD TO RUN OUR COUNTRY FOR OVER 290 DAYS HERE IN BELGIUM!
YOU SEE THE HOROR NOW,!
EVEN WORSE! OUR ECONOMY IS THE BEST IN EUROPE!! HOW UN... UNLIKE FRIEND LIKE THE REST OF EUROPE IS THAT?!?!?
Great seeing you around, SD!
Hey, now it's our turn to have a wildly irresponsible .gov! Oh wait... LOL!
I read all your geological vacation trip stories Bearings :) We where on vacation not that far from each other.
Belgium has always had an attraction. I love Brugge for starters. Could live and work there in a heartbeat. English is everywhere and learning any different language is easy as pie. What sector is hot in Belgium?
machine building, pharma and bioscience
Since we are saving that money does the debt clock stop. NOT
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
will the goodnews show stop?
will....
what else does he government actually do?
gov't puppets read the scripts given to them. nothing more....and probably a lot less.
Dolphins or Saints?
We expect no dramatc peripeteia at the last minute any more. Gap down for tomorrow.
Upped you for peripeteia, even though you missed the "i" in dramatc.
If the Government shuts down I guess we won't be able to facebook or google
the spying will continue, as will aid to Israel
But of course, they can leav the building and let the machines take over.
+1 ...That'd show the sheeple how important these "representatives"...(sorry, threw up in my mouth, a little) really are! Hit 'em in their Facebook!
EHMERGED!!! THE HORROR!
The sun will still rise tomorrow.
my forecast...a beautiful Fall day that will remind us all how lucky we are to be alive!!!!!!
Is the .GOV computer system prepared for a shutdown?
see the onion where a person who understands 8% of
o-care berates someone who understands 5%...
a very rare "omg" as i realize i agree with boehner...
lt
Good piece: here's a link:
Man Who Understands 8% Of Obamacare Vigorously Defends It From Man Who Understands 5%
http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-who-understands-8-of-obamacare-vigorously-defe,34022/
<holds sign up> SHUT ER DOWN
SHUT IT DOOOOOOOOOOWN
I testified
My mama cried
Black people died
When the other man lied
See the TV, listen to me double trouble
I overhaul and I'm comin'
From the lower level
I'm takin' tabs
Sho nuff stuff to grab
Like shirts it hurts
Wit a neck to wreck
Took a poll 'cause our soul
Took a toll
From the education
Of a TV station
But look around
Hear go the sound of the wreckin' ball
Boom and Pound
When I
Shut 'em down,
Shut em' down...shut em shut em down...
Public Enemy
~Shut em Down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wOcOBjB3uU
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Professor Griff (former member of P.E.) talks about Illuminati and the occult controlling the masses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ_hZA4w0ZU
AND ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS TO SIGN UP FOR OBAMACARE-REP. ISSA
LOL. Pass that and go home!
Yep. AMFs!
The House does not have the votes to approve the Senate version. It proved that already. All this is expected. Reid is posturing.
Alas, so is Boehner (posturing). My guess? Boehner gives in before Reid does. Obama wins again. Bearing confidence erodes further...
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Know what? If the House had some cojones, shutting her down might demonstrate that there would be $0.08 of difference between the R-Team and the D-Team. I really would like to see the government shut down for a month or so just to see what and what would not happen. Very instructive.
All boner needs to do is allow pelosi to bring clean bill up for a vote. If all the D's vote Yes then pelosi only needs 17 or 18 R's to vote Yes (like the asslick from ny "little" peter king) and the clean bill passes. That is how this will end.
If boner allows the so-called clean bill to come up for a vote (disobeying the Hastert rule that only major legislation agreed to by the Republican Caucus shall be submitted to a general vote) then the Republicans will be replacing him as Speaker.
I agree 100% on that. I actually was going to type that into my comment along with if boner isnt removed from his speakership if he allows a clean vote there could be blood in the streets. But i didnt want to get my hopes up.
Blurb on cnbc that boner will not bring up clean bill. Not holding my breath.....
Booyah!
It's 5 O'clock somewhere in the world. Cheers. ;-)
Piss on the Senate republicans. I'm done with that party unless men like Cruz and Lee rise to prominence within it.
Government workers couldn't be happier. They get time off and then get paid for it.
They get plenty of paid "time off" when they are "on the job".
you guys are sooooo lucky to have a government shutdown!!! That is my wet dream in Portugal, these fuckers closing shop too!
the thing is, we don't really need a government per se ,,, we really don't!
Don't worry, Portugal will get its chance to shutdown the government. It is only a question of time.
please let that be true ...
Neither does the US, if you get right down to it.
We have a soft (for now) Dictatorship.
Get out your DOW 14K hats, and put the 13K hats in the ready position. Then watch the shorts get scorched when an agreement is announced. Seen this play before.
The R's are not intrested in eliminating Obonko care,period.Why even bother with the fluff shit.
Their constituents are for eliminating it, and they seem to be getting the hint...
The corrupt leadesrship is certainly in favor of it, and gets its way by threats and blackmail.
The few Libertarian-oriented reps are struggling against a tsunami of evil.
Update: and just to seal the deal, Reid literally adds insult to injury: REID CALLS HOUSE REPUBLICANS `ANARCHISTS'
Well then, if he calls you that, prove him right. Don't pass anything at all, go home. Fuck Reid.
Since when is the term "anarchist" an insult? Especially here at ZH.
Yeah well but you know how people fear the anarchists. Better say you're a small government type of guy.
One person I know is anarchist left (apparently it exists)... they think everything is everyone's... and everyone must share like in a communist state... Lulz. How in the fuck is lefty anarchy ENFORCEABLE with no government? How do you force people to share everything communist style with no government? Impossible. The only real anarchy is anarchy right... where everyone is on their own, making alliances like they want... no ``forced sharing``...
This person is really fucking delusional thinking that ``anarchy left`` could exist. Anarchy left = no privacy, no private property, no nothing...
We are all Anarchicts now. Well, except the Ballwashing government leeches.
"Anarchists"?
Such praise. We need a few more of them.
Anarchy is good. Fuck You Reid you putrid little cretin
I like that plan make all congressional and federal fucksticks join the same shitty system they expect us to join. If not, shut it down.
I could be wrong, but I see it this way:
Obama wants to control us through health care.
But Barack I'm-busy-playing-spades Obama didn't write this bill, just like he doesn't write his speeches.
The health insurance lobby wrote this bill. Think of how insideous this is - The Bill they wrote increases premiums to comply with the regulations in the bill that they wrote, and the bill they wrote - they convince people to call it Obama Care so they blame the commie in cheif instead of them. Sure O and his lib cronies piggybacked some agenda into this, but follow the money.
Obama gets the power, the health insurance industry gets the money. (No way in hell will they not pass on the costs to the consumer) Both parties bow to the money lobbies and couldn't care less - that's why they exempted themselves.
I call myself an anarchist. I think it's pretty absurd to call anyone in the House an anarchist. Maybe I don't understand what an anarchist is. I'll go back and read Kropotkin for about the 80th time.
I think the statists have realized "libertarian" is seen as a postive so "anarchist" is the new smear term for their enemies. they keep going more people might warm up to the anarchy, then what will they have left?
"ANARCHISTS" is a complement
And the nicest complement I can give to Harry is that he is an anachronism....out of time. Can we ask them all to leave and go home ? When ? When do they go home ?
Hey! I wear the title Anarchist proudly! Don't be messing it up by including demigods!
So has Harry now opened the debate...and the House is part of the "300"? Are we (and House Repubs) Spartan demi-gods ? or are we DEVO ? Are we are not men ?
This is a Godwin, right? A William Godwin;)
*REID CALLS HOUSE REPUBLICANS `ANARCHISTS'
Harry Reid is a fucking IMBICILE. He has zero understanding of what anarachy is. How the fuck is this man the leader of the US Senate???
What a disgrace for actual anarachists to be compared to big-government RINOs.
It's actually a bad reflection on us, The People, that a syphillitic, brain-rotted cretin like this could even be "elected."
High drama, bitchez. One ring binds them all, their dual party ring of corruption.
Hey Harry, Word is Lock-N-Load motherfuckers, This is war!! Shut-er-down!!!!
This looks like the staged funeral of the pharaoh. Everybody crying and pulling their hair off, but he is still alive. Good practice though, maybe it will be less of a surprise when US government does shutdown for real, in russian or argentinian style.
Good, and I'm watching my treasonous congressional scum and holding them to account.
I'd rather be an anarchist than a jackass
Shut it down and keep it shut down until the House and Senate get together in conference and pass an actual budget, preferably one with a surplus that can be applied to the debt. No more continuing resolutions, no nothing until they do their freakin jobs and at least give us the perception that this house of cards can stand much longer.
Oh yeah, and I almost forgot. While I'm not a partisan or supporter of either stripe of the Federalist party (Republicans & Democrats) I just like to add for the edification of Mr. Reid that one persons anarchist is anothers constitutionalist and one persons middle-of-the-road politico is anothers Fascist. Guess where you fall, Mr. Reid.
Who really thinks this is anything more than theater? Sure, they may 'shut down' but all it will really mean is they'll pass some kind of emergency appropriations measure or whatever they call it so everything continues as it has been, and by 'as it has been' I mean, the government will continue to spend money it doesn't have on special interests that it serves. In fact, this is probably better, since the more the spending is by emergency measure, probably the less it counts against the (meaningless, barely even symbolic) debt ceiling.
The only real significance this could possibly have is if, somehow, even the most ardent and indoctrinated Treasury and USD supporters start to question the wisdom of allowing a country that has devolved to a point where they're continually passing 'special measures' to fund their absurd deficit spending, the privilege of owning/printing/managing the world reserve currency.
Look how low we have sunk.
A vile, corrupt little twerp like Hairy broadsides TEA party folks, who are non-violent, and for the most part want simple, by the rules (constitutional) government.
The Apogee of Arrogance has finally been reached when a pubic servant like this guy attacks the citizens of his own country. Jesus, help us. This crap is right out of NAZI Germany. Hairy lacks only a leather trenchcoat with SS lightning bolts on the collars.
As bad as it would be, a big fat Black Swan would be great just about now if it reduced this bastard to the sniveling, cowardly little bully he really is, along with Sheik Alabama and the rest of these termites!
Well. the US gvt and its agencies have been attacking their own people for decades.... (As they did with the people of almost the rest of the World).
I wonder if the Senate restaurant and their hair salon will shut down.....they might have to comb their own hair now.....oh my...the world is ending as they know it...no clothes for the king....the pedistal carrier will be laid off...who will be the professional clappers for their speeches....I hope they have to start living with what they take in ..right now...thats 300 billion a month I think..more or less....that is enough...they will have to cut all the extras right now...I can dream can´t I...
Who will run the teleprompter ?
I am confused, they speak about this government shutdown as if it was a bad thing.
If the Republicans wimp out again (which I expect Boehner to do) the passage of Obamacare will CAUSE anarchy by collapsing the economy.
Actually, that is part of the (Cloward-Piven) Plan.
By collapsing the Republic, Hairy and Bath House will never have to stand for election again.
Hairy thinks he will be at the seat of power. He will be, too, chortling away, when a Makarov blows a hole in back of his head and a new guy takes his place.
"Thanks for your service, Hairy. everyone, welcome William Ayers."
(Bill lays the smoking pistol on the table).
"Questions, anyone? Good. Let's get to work."
Then, I guess it will be FO time, and voting from the roof tops will commence. I'd rather this happen when my generation would shoulder the burden, rather than my children's generation.
I am an Antichrist
I am an Anarchist
I know what I want and I know how to get it
I wanna destroy passerby
Cause I wanna be anarchy
Who junks the Sex Pistols???
People will be shocked to find the government still spending trillions of dollars, and owing hundreds of trillions more, tomorrow if it shuts down. Then they will know what they are really dealing with.
Hairy Reed:
"We shall have communism whether America wants it or not! We shall also have Fascism! (evil laugh).
"Soon, we shall begin "thinning the herd," as we say out west. It astounds me that you people, you serfs dare to question your betters! I am the Government! Bow down, Serfs!!!
"You should be grateful we allow you to even vote!"
"Forward, Soviet!!!"
ANARCHISTS and CONSTITUTIONALISTS look an awful lot alike.... DEMOCRATS and TYRANNY look alike too....
Hello everyone. I've come here at the suggestion of Harry Reid.
I'm Tuesday Ben. And I'm an Anarchist. (I have burger-abuse issues too, but we meet on Tuesdays for that).
With anarchists everywhere inside and terrorists everywhere outside...this man must be about to have a heart attack? (Nobody mention communists, Islamists or pacifists.)
I had no idea that an anarchist was somebody who won't allow themselves to be forcibly sodomised.
Guess we'll see if Harry is right.
Better not be any tears Johnny. If you cave, take it like a hard time prisoner.
HAHAHAHA! "No means no!" is rayciss!
All the Dems on the Senate floor keep citing the re-election of Obama as the green light for Obamacare.
What percentage of the voting-age population actually voted?
Does 3 co-equal branches of government ring a bell?
How about Constitutional republic that protects the rights of the individual depsite the whims of the majority?
I know, I know...I'm just a racist.
Yes, yes, I see how calling a repugnicunt statist an anarchist can be seen as an insult. That would be like nominating a Buddhist pacifist for a Nobel peace prize. Or nominating an Austrian economist for a Nobel prize in economics.
will obamaphons stay on..... we can have a revolution if we turn them off
i understand someone tweeted....
take one bite out of your congressman and senators, spit it out and move on.... disgusting... cut one "bite" with your Kbar...yes .. and move on
last person shit on the bones.... and place skull on a pike going up penn ave...
REAL CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN
Only in an Orwellian society can the most sane and rational people (atheists and anarchists) be the most hated ones.
if we shut the govt down.... how will Obumbler fund AL QUEDA... what will those poor loveable terrorists on the front lines do ...... let them eat heart... hey if your happy and you know it .. kill an ambasador ... or storm an embassy.... will the phone line between Obumblera nd Zawahiri be sut down? how about the one to the raghead from iran... when will Obumbler wear his towel?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BiwFWD4yxs
Hopefully someone turns out the lights and the federal government goes out of business. We have plenty of government at the state and local level without the NSA, CIA, DIA, FBI (and their terror prlots), Military and Department of Education /Indoctrination.
Everytime a good piece of legislation gets passed by the House (eg, audit the Fed), the Senate kills it.
This just proves that the Senate is TOTALLY corrupt. TOTALLY.
Tar and feathers are needed in a bad way.