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Say It Often Enough And It's True
Submitted by Simon Black of Sovereign Man blog,
Try this experiment.
Ring up your credit card company at the end of this month. Tell them that you and your spouse can’t seem to reach an agreement about how to allocate your monthly budget.
So in the meantime, you have been forced to shutdown your household... but you hope to be back on track in a few weeks.
Chances are, they won’t take you seriously. Yet for some reason, this has been dismissed as commonplace and benign in the Land of the Free.
Here’s a list of quotes we’ve heard from the telescreen talking heads over the last 24-hours:
“We’re still the richest most powerful nation in the world.”
“It doesn’t matter, the bond market is going up.”
“The United States will never default.”
The hubris and arrogance here is amazing. And it just goes to show that if you just repeat something over and over again, people will believe it... no matter how absurd.
This is the basic premise behind propaganda. Start with an idea. Inundate the population through constant repetition. And soon it becomes the unquestionable truth.
To suggest that the United States is NOT the richest country in the world, or that the government could default, is tantamount to blasphemy.
It doesn’t matter that every objective scrap of evidence points to the inevitable conclusion that the US government is going to have to default on its obligations.
They could default on their obligations to foreign creditors– China, Japan, the Gulf states– and risk a total collapse in the dollar’s ‘value’ internationally...
Or they could default on the Federal Reserve, rendering the central bank insolvent, and risk an epic currency crisis…
Or they could default on domestic financial institutions and risk an even bigger banking crisis…
Or they could simply default on their obligations to citizens by curtailing Social Security and debasing the currency.
The only question is– who gets screwed?
Having this sort of public discussion, however, is considered ludicrous and irrational. The propaganda is so effective that people continue to believe in this fairy tale that America is the Land of the Free and the richest country in the world.
Yet it’s this fairy tale that is ludicrous and irrational. Looking at the data objectively, having a candid discussion, and getting your own affairs together to withstand the inevitable fallout– this is the most rational thing that anyone can do.
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Shutting down the Women, Infant, Child food program but keeping the WH chefs. Gotta say, that's as fucked as it gets.
Don't say it often enough and that's also true, a fun adventure at every moments turn.
Yeah -- like we went to the moon! Repeat as often as you like and it is still BS.
The only unfortunate thing about the shut down is that they will re-open!
Only solution for me is that OBAMA gets screwed - and then we burn the whole system down.
Nothing cleanses like FIRE!
Yeah... well... not to be to dark, Simon. But in all your calculations you tend to leave out the fact that the collapsing nation in this picture also has nukes, the biggest military in history, and a bunch of jarheads who are dying for any excuse to launch a full scale invasion of Whereverstan.
You can call it "arrogance" and "hubris", and you wouldn't be wrong except for the even scarier fact that it might not be arrogance: It might be backed up with World War Three. And historically speaking, this is exactly how such clusterfucks start.
Military empires don't go silently into the night unless the lid is kept tightly on them by a greater military force. And in this case, there ain't one. So grab your ankles everyone because this shit could get exponentially uglier than just a "default".
"Please do not worry."
If you've never seen this ("What makes America the greatest country in the world?"), it's well worth a few minutes of your time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqcLUqYqrs
My kid kept telling me over and over he got an "A+" in school....it didn't work for him.
The USSR by and large went silently in the night.
No it just downsized.
exactly. It's that concept that America can't slip away like a cancer patient in a coma because it has angry white men with penis envy that keeps people from seeing the facts clearly. All this has happened before. All this will happen again.
"angry white men with penis envy"
So THAT's the problem. Geez, and I thought it was something to do with debt 'n shit.
It's mission of destroying age old empires had ended, as they were all replaced by "new & improved" governments, so it was no longer cost effective to continue.
The West? It will either go violently in a cloud of smoke (WWIII), or will be continually discredited by the likes of Putin who is being setup as the only alternative to global peace.
Either way, global government will be the outcome. Question is, will you fight, and lose, or will you allow yourself to be led peacefully into slavery?
If you need to quote half a sentence in order to form a cohesive rebuttal, you don't have a cohesive rebuttal.
Come back when you can respond to the entire sentence.
Popo - watch who you are calling Jarhead asshole.
Last time I looked, Democratic presidents without congressional approval are starting the wars (Kennedy, LBJ, Clinton (Kosovo) and Obama (Drone everything).
Apparently history – especially of the military variety – wasn't your best subject.
And reading comprehension is yours.
What is untrue about this statement?
Democratic presidents without congressional approval are starting the wars
Um, Ron?
"Democrat" is the name of a political party here in the United States. Democratic is - at least in the context that you intended - mere propaganda. Which you are helping to spread.
There's nothing democratic about Democrats.
I dont think you have been completely thawed out yet - after the years you obviously spent in criogenic deep freeze. That pain in your head is most likely ice crystals.
Who said anything about political parties? Fuck them both. They're the same party anyway, just with slightly different groups of billionaire beneficiaries.
The fact that you think there's a difference means you're easily fooled.
Hey Ronaldawg
"Agreed" but it certainly doesn't help when you are active service for more than 12 years and they keep calling you up for "moar war" and you keep accepting unconditionally (when you know what your doing is unlawful)...
Like the "whistleblower", fight the good fight through the only choice given our Nation's reputation in the eyes of the World right now which is mutiny or accept the possibility of receiving the last paycheck you'll ever get!
Son of Nemo - you are commie and have never been in the military - so how would you know?
o.
In the Marines - if you didn't want to be deployed, you should have joined the Coast Guard.
Don't have your timeline ron'...
When you were wearing the uniform you still had an infrastructure in this Country that was plenty viable making stuff and had taxpayers not welfare recipients that could pay off "more" of it's national debt that at the time was non-existent by comparison to anything that we are witnessing now.
Today it's Uncle Sam with one hand selling off more American jobs through offshoring and providing incentives to buy more land and resources to lower our debt obligations and with the other hand always threatening everyone with our military when we don't get our way in having them purchasing ever increasing amounts of our debt. Why would they? And for that matter why would we expect anybody to sign up to something like that when we ourselves would never do it? It's a strategy that has failed. In fact if you are a Vietnam Vet the handwriting was on the wall after that misadventure ended and should have provided all the lessons we ever needed never to do it again.
Let's face the conspiracy facts after 9/11 ron'. This economy started it's strategic nose dive 12 years ago.
I know plenty in the military who are on-board with those "facts" that got us to this place. So why would anyone knowing what we know and who did Manhattan and D.C. deluxe at this stage risk all of it after all the eggregious mistakes we've made in attempting a shooting match with the likes of Russia who will in fact give us more than a bloody nose and a bad case of hemorrhoids.
At some point like the Soviets did in the 80's and 90's you have to be smart enough to know when your sun has set especially when you have a track record of losses that shouldn't allow you to continue the fight.
WOW you are a 9\11 truther too? Does the tin foil chaff your forehead?
Ya - this entire site is infected with people who do things like critical thinking, research, information checking, and formulating their own opinions. Crazy right?
So much easier to just turn on the TV and get your opinions prepackaged.
ron----- I think you've past the point of being fooled and have entered the realm of fooling yourself.
Why not send the Secret Service and Capital Police home for the duration of the shutdown?
Wonder if the gas station in the Capital Building garage is still pumping free gas for Congress?
Who's going to get screwed? Go look in the mirror....
Speaking of that garage and the free gas pumps, Ron Paul, as always, rubbed their noses in it.
http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2013/septembe...
Still fighting the good fight, even in semi-retirement.
Do you know they made a Shove-it in diesel too?
I would buy one in a second, especially if it was green like RP's
Nah don't default, just go to war.....now as you have no justifiable reason to attack any foreign country, pick on you allies...best start with Australia as they are good sports and can take a joke....
I'm sure "The Powers That Be" in Australia would be very keen - our new P.M. Mr Abbott would be just as happy as the last incumbent (one Ms Gillard) to bask in the glory (whilst others are "doing the dying".)
Fortunately for us, with "retirement age" (ha, ha!) looming, we'd be generally considered "unfit for active service" - maybe one of the few advantages of being "a Mature Age"!!
Pladizow +10
Which will only make the withdrawal more costly in the long run.
Yeah -- like we went to the moon! Repeat as often as you like and it is still BS.
Only 3 NASA trolls? Must be the gov shut down.
http://www.upworthy.com/some-strange-things-are-happening-to-astronauts-returning-to-earth?g=2
I gave you a +1 because the govt sucks so bad I don't want to give them the credit for going to the moon!!
Let them eat cake!
Really, though, it's strategically directed pain. They're trying to make government a package deal. They want us to think of the whole shitfest as a take-it-or-leave-it proposition.
In other words, if you want WIC and national parks, you have to accept all the various ways we will rape you, serf.
Demand a la carte government!
Yes, I'd like a half serving of MIC and hold the bailouts.
So... how much does NOTA cost?
Walk into any Walmart, McDonalds, Train Station, anywhere where there's lots of people, and going by appearance, see if you can identify ignorant sheeple from thinking humans.
Its really not as hard as it sounds and you will be correct most of the time.
Go to Walmart or Mcdonalds and see how long it takes to find a thin person.
Stampeding hambeast on a MartCart on aisle 3.....
Xibalba said: "Shutting down the Women, Infant, Child food program but keeping the WH chefs."
You don't expect Barry, Michelle, and the girls to go without their high end meals on fine china now do you?
It's obvious political bait - deny WIC and furlough low level employees to place maximum blame on the other side of the aisle.
Continue the left/right & progressive/conservative bi-polar distractions and foment hatred at "the other side" so people don't ask real questions about personal liberty, NSA, SWAT teams, IRS, off-shored jobs and profits, lack of rule-of-law for the elites, etc., etc., etc.
Obama = Laughingstock
I wish I could laugh but I can't.
American Exceptionalism will not likely go quietly into that good night.
The only question is– who gets screwed?
Why is this a question?
Its rhetorical.
Exactly! We all know who will get screwed, the same ones who've been getting screwed: the people.
Just cuz the bitchez says it don't mean anyone beleezes it
I choose door number 2
Or they could default on the Federal Reserve, rendering the central bank insolvent, and risk an epic currency crisis
If only..
A default on the Fed's paper means a default on all other T-Bills. Bearing in mind just who holds a lot of Gov. paper, maybe these "other Countries" might reasonably expect hard assets as compensation - via Military enforcement.
It'll be a case of "Made in China" being replaced by "OWNED by China", in the Continental USA!
example...........dont criticize the cheesepopes or bangladeshi's because its RAYCISS
Tribute to American Heroes: Home of the Brave- Firefly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgoZo3dVU3c (4:29)
They could default on all debts, rendering the Fed reserve note useless, and then start an American Dollar, back by PM's. But they don't know how.
Or they could sell off their assets to the highest bidder just as we "ordinary people" would be expected to.
How about starting with selling off all that "surplus" Military hardware, rather than giving it to the Police?
Seeing as Israel is yet again planning to attack Iran over their "Nuclear Weapons Programme" - http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/10/01/Netanyahu-Israel-will-stand-alone-if-necessary-against-Iran-nukes/UPI-71871380647681/, maybe in view of the success of the MAD policy during the "Cold War" the US might level the playing field by selling a few nuclear-armed IRBMs to Iran.
"A Novel means of solving the Mid-East Crisis"
Why not? We've done it before.
Northrop Grumman's sale of spare F-14 parts in 2008 to the Iranian Government's ancient F-14As while John McCain was all the while chanting "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb... Bomb, Bomb Iran"...
The last time the US Treasury was this close to bankruptcy was in 1895. To forestall bankruptcy in the Gilded Age, Grover Cleveland sold America's butt to the Rothschild-Morgan combine. People are gullible and greedy enough that they'll exchange the national maidenhead for the gew-gaws and bling of the moment, especially if they can pay later by inflating their patrons' massive economic organ.
Old whores have a rough landing when they realize no one's buying anymore.
Bubblegum
Wow, good link there. Interesting stuff i didn't know. Also +1 for using the term "gew-gaw."
Yet another contrived crisis, where Plan A* was in full effect.
*Break what you can't steal, then use it as a smokescreen in order to obscure the theft in progress.
Well said, bro
Tons of pro-Obama propaganda on National Public Radio ... USSA radio.
NPR is shit. No surprise.
All you need is Fed!!
We have proven that today. No more taxes, no more debt repayment, no more national parks!
It's a "Laissez-Fed" world.
Just wait in line for your trickle down
The Fed will continue the money printing game until some "trigger" event causes a Weimar style collapse, this is assured. The only question remains is whether this "trigger" event is one that is manufactured by the govt or is just a natural collision of life's circumstances. In any event, when this does happen (this week, next month or next year . . . it really doesn't matter) the game will be over and the Late Great United States will be nothing more than a chapter (or foot note) in some future history book describing yet another failed republic.
Your post echoes some classic ZH commentary:
« The USA had 40 years of stability and power. In the future it will be a shithole. So what? Just another new-world shithole. Life goes on. »
- ZeroHedge commenter 'Fat Ass', 17 January 2011
Jan 17, 2011 ----------> Oct 1, 2013 = Detroit, Oakland, Camden,........and on and on
Shitholes and counting
A former colleague who works in Gloucester, UK, visited Gloucester City (south of Camden) during a recent holiday in the USA, on Highway 676 (which goes right through the centre of Camden).
Fortunately for them the TSA were not interested in the contents of their cameras, or video camera, on leaving, 'cause a lot of those images did NOT fit the promulgated version of "The American Dream", appearing more like the slums of Mumbai.
Good points.
It begs the question why we didn't convict Nixon and Kissinger for destroying our economy with the Petro Dollar. Oh and I almost forgot the relentless illegal bombing campaigns in Laos and Cambodia.
wow - son of nemo = commie.
What about all those american soldiers that were wounded or killed by the weapons and men being smuggled through Laos and Cambodia? You are a ghoul.
Its a shame that the vietnamese didnt kill every last US soldier that set foot in their country - if they had it would have ended sooner, and the American appetite for war would have been totally abated - so all the wars after that which killed and displaced millions would not have occurred.
<Leader of senate>:All fellow members of the Roman senate hear me. Shall we continue to build palace after palace for the rich? Or shall we aspire to a more noble purpose and build decent housing for the poor? How does the senate vote?
<Entire senate>: FUCK THE POOR!
Hammers, BLOODY hammers, to all these criminal politicos and their MSM herd. Bloody hammers to their fucking heads.
Interesting statistic, about 4 times as many people are killed in the US annually with hammers as compared to "assault rifles".
Source: my faulty memory and FBI stats for 2010 (I think).
Hammers takes it.
The Powers That Be (whoever they may be) have a plan for escaping blame for the eventual collapse. Probably a plan to blame the very people that opposed their actions.
It's true. Perception is reality.....until the black swans appear.
"Caww. Caww"
(Do swans noir go Caww?)
No CAAAW- they sneak in silently and then yell GOTCHA
No Swans go....Erk, or they hiss, hissing is a bad sign, retire pronto, or you can stay to puzzle the hissing....really not recommended.
I believe..I do believe..I do believe!
Ancient Rome was just as arrogant.
The salient difference being that WE have the example of the fall of the Roman Empire to potentially learn from and to use to avoid sharing their fate --- yet the sociopaths in power, and our servile and gadget-obsessed populace, seem determined to use that historical example as a blueprint for our own collapse instead.
Do you not know "THE SECRET" ?
Con men (and women) just love stupid people who can't think for themselves. And when they have stupid and ignorant together, they got a real big fish on the line.
IMO, the ONLY relevant question that matters is: When will the BRICs start dumping Treasuries? Before or after Sochi 2014?
The "End-of-the-Dollar-as-the-Reserve-currency" starts right after that.
Is that a bad thing? Wouldn't that make our exports cheaper, imports more expensive, and add to the GDP?
Oh I think it'd be Awesome! We could go back to being a republic, instead of being another useless empire.
Default depends on what the meaning of default is.
In 1933, Roosevelt confiscated private gold, then devalued the money that was paid for it. Read any news story that mentions the gold confiscation and the word default is not used. Yet Roosevelt defaulted on those who turned in their gold.
“The United States will never default.”
It already has.
That FDR thing was just the 3rd of 4 defaults sofar in US history..
The fifth time will be a charm.Practice makes perfect.
just relax everyone
The market is omniscient. Default is a 3 sigma.
Yeah -- like we went to the moon! Repeat as often as you like and it is still BS give the man a cigar. fact: no human has ever been more than a few hundred miles from the surface of the earth. the logistics of putting a human on the moon is far beyond our capacity.
Don't forget the old addage "If you owe the bank $100,000 and you can't pay, you have a problem. If you owe the bank $100 million and you can pay the bank has a problem." In this case, the US owes its creditors $17 trillion. If the US can not pay, it's the creditors who have the problem.
"It doesn’t matter that every objective scrap of evidence points to the inevitable conclusion that the US government is going to have to default on its obligations."
"going to have to"? They've been defaulting on an ongoing basis since at least August 1971. (Nixon, gold window)...when government services are cut, rates rise, prices rise, or quality declines that IS a symptom of bankruptcy...
+10 Excellent point.
And what I previously intimated to 'bankguyinBrussels' on his comment, why we framed Nixon over something as trivial as the Watergate breakin when we should have thrown the prick in jail or worse for destroying our economy with the Petrodollar and continuing the illegal wars and occupations in Vietnam and surroundings.
What a wonderful legacy of "terror" this Country has. No?
"The hubris and arrogance here is amazing. And it just goes to show that if you just repeat something over and over again, people will believe it... no matter how absurd."...
Only ignorant, incompetent, truly asinine and over medicated people will believe something if you repeat it over and over again.
Oh and after the continuous Pavlovian rant of "terror" and "terrorists" piped into your head from George Walker for 8 years and believing it, you deserve to have the label of severely retarted monogrammed on your shirt like the "scarlet letter"
Not unique to America Mate! "Everyone" is far more comfortable living in the land of "Accepted Wisdom" handed down by their favourite commentators / News anchors / Sporting stars.
As for the "Severely Retarded" monogramming - it already exists in plain sight - in the form of those who are prepared to pay "extra" to act as a free walking billboard for their favourite "Designer Brand".
Than if it's a self-esteem issue that can always be controlled Edward Bernays was the smartest M-F that ever lived.
Son of Nemo repeats mindless dribble about illegal wars and bombing while proselytizing about the propaganda value of constantly repeating things.
GOT IT.
Let me guess Ronnie.
20 year retired enlisted Corps +20 years Langley?
30+ years of Freedom.
America is defaulting, has been defaulting, and will continue to default....so long as the notes are repaid in $$$$.
It is a stealth default that has obviously not been noticed by this article's author. We have been constantly defaulting on our paper ever since tricky dick removed the silver conversion.
Dear God Man! They have "Defaulted" on their own Constitution.
They are the Golem for Israel.
They have be come brutes and are now being treated as such.
Original Americans are Still Here.
Mercy.
When the United States Government defaults on its debt, the shit is going to hit the fan.