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Guest Post: I Will Not Comply

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Submitted by Matthew May via American Thinker blog,

Like most members of the Congress that passed it and, undoubtedly, the president of the United States who signed it, I have not read the entirety of the ill-named Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.  Yet there is one aspect concerning that legislation of which I am certain: I will not comply.

I will not comply because I am a free citizen of the United States, not a subject of its government.  I consider non-compliance with this monstrosity and the tens of thousands of pages of regulations that are to be enforced by an unelected bureaucracy, and that have left a gigantic carbon footprint on our environment and the United States Constitution, a duty.

Non-compliance is my executive order, and that order reads in part that I do not recognize any government's claim on my action or inaction in the marketplace, nor upon any personal information I am unwilling to divulge.

I will not submit to a cabal who read George Orwell's 1984 not as a terrifying warning, but as an instruction manual.  Nor will I submit to the dictates of those who attempt to trample the right of free speech of others in the halls of government who are warning us about the looming tyranny.  I refer to those sons of liberty who, as Camus wrote, "are not all legitimate or to be admired. Those who applaud it only when it justifies their privileges and shout nothing but censorship when it threatens them are not on our side."

If (when) the IRS or HHS or any other such entity attempts to extort a tax or fee of any kind for not participating in mandated commerce, they will be met with resistance.  I will not pay any such tax or fee.

I live in Massachusetts, where, once upon a time, a spirit of resistance and independence animated much of the citizenry.  But many here have devolved from the shot heard round the world to sheltering in place.  Not I -- nor many of my fellow Bay Staters, who are outnumbered but undaunted.

Refusing to comply with the dictates of an illegitimate law that is selectively enforced, and from which the privileged few are exempted, is not, in the annals of American history, brave or difficult.  Those who refuse to comply are not barefoot in the snows of Valley Forge, crying out in agony at Gettysburg, or rushing the cockpit of Flight 93.  While there will be consequences to civil disobedience in defiance of oppression, any difficulties can be and will be overcome.

We are, however, drawing a line that the forces of repression, socialism, and tyranny must not cross.  Some might even color the line red.  Yet unlike a certain other, this red line is immovable.  I yield nothing on the plane of freedom.  I will not take any small step that is, in actuality, one giant leap backward to the darkness we thought we had vanquished.

Who is with me?


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Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:06 | 4016386 Newsboy
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I'm not complying, either.

What's for dinner?

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:10 | 4016425 SHEEPFUKKER

Alphabet soup.......NSA, TSA, IRS, CIA, FED, FBI, DOJ, etc. Bon appetite!!

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:33 | 4016702 SafelyGraze
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lost me at 'flight 93'

here it is! 

inside view of how passenders and steel all vaporize on impact 

one more crazy youtuber wacko


Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:33 | 4016781 Ignatius
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A new documentary (5 hours total) that points up most of the reasons why the 'official story' of 9/11 is a farce:

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:01 | 4016903 smlbizman
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are you saying my country tis of thee is a liar? dare you sir, or madam.....if i didnt know better....

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 01:11 | 4017171 Boris Alatovkrap
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Once Boris is see Buzz Aldrin at bar in Bangkok, and make it joke about "Lunar Landing", but Buzz is, how you say, buzz, and is intense angrify and swing at Boris. Boris duck and Buzz is hit cocktail waitress (is really waiter, but is cannot tell - long story). So, Boris is wonder why so angry and then is watch "Capricorn One". Boris is really like Elliot Gould.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 01:35 | 4017439 SilverIsKing
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Please lose the Russian thing. It's gotten old.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 05:44 | 4017578 GetZeeGold
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Would you please drop the Okie hayseed's getting really old.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 06:31 | 4017620 asteroids
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Boris never gets old.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 07:35 | 4017697 kralizec
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Boris is like fine single malt, if you don't like fine single malt then don't get fine single malt...just be quiet (I'm talkin' to you SIK) and go away. 

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 14:33 | 4019443 Boris Alatovkrap
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Actual, Boris is like vodka. Like very much!

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:10 | 4016426 CH1
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Obedience is slavery. Even the Bible says so.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:16 | 4016448 NotApplicable
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Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:30 | 4016513 Jumbotron
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HAHAHAHAHA !!!  OOOhhooo  LOL !!!!


Of COURSE you comply !  EVERY DAY.  Look at your check.  You pay income tax.  You comply.  You pay payroll tax.  You comply.  You pay corporate tax if you own a business.  You comply.  You pay for your driver's license.  You comply.  You pay for your car tag, boat tag, trailer tag, mobile home tag.  You comply.  You pay property tax.  You comply.  You pay sales tax.  You comply.  You pay banking fees, broker's fees, early termination fees, late fees, interest on credit cards, home loans, mortagages, school loans, car loans, trancsactions fees, doc fees, title fees.  You comply. 

If you don't a man in a uniform with a badge finds you and compels you to comply or he shoots you if you fight back. comply.

Corp/Fed has gotcha' by the balls.  Welcome to Prison Planet....where the only ability for you NOT TO COMPLY is to not comply with REALITY !!

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:55 | 4016636 luckystrike6
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yup. Reading this reminds me of that moment where I said "I will NOT comply with being forced to put my cigarette out after I eat at Dennys"

Which small rebellion, Dennys and the Denver police department pretty much put to rest.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 07:50 | 4017715 BigJim
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Denny's is a private institution and perfectly within their rights to specify you do not smoke on their premises if you want to eat there. Don't like it? Eat somewhere else.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:09 | 4016693 acetinker
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You're right Jumbotron, you're right.  But, our balls are caught in a vise- especially if we have family.  I suppose you weren't hatched on top of a fencepost.  So, I wonder...  How will you care for you and yours in this "Brave New World"?

Seems to me that the best thing to do is back away from this beast slowly- like you might treat a bear with cubs.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:21 | 4016738 Whatta
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I agree with you. Only comply to the degree to get by...otherwise stay out of the system. Shop craigslist/eBay/garage sales/buy some property and get an agriculture sales tax exemption to use as much as possible, etc.

Starve the beast and comply as little as feasible.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:58 | 4017123 Maverick Ninefingers
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There are levels of "survival" we must be prepared to accept.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 23:31 | 4017226 in4mayshun
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Bad news: The Beast doesn't need you or your compliance.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:45 | 4017089 Jumbotron
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"You're right Jumbotron, you're right.  But, our balls are caught in a vise- especially if we have family.  I suppose you weren't hatched on top of a fencepost.  So, I wonder...  How will you care for you and yours in this "Brave New World"?

Seems to me that the best thing to do is back away from this beast slowly- like you might treat a bear with cubs."

I'm raising my 5 kids on two principles.  The love of God and your fellow man.....but to also be as shrewd and honest minded as George Carlin about the ways of the human condition and bullshit......most importantly of all....the bullshit you try to convince yourself about yourself.  And that goes for me as well.

Question everything....every conventional piece of wisdom.....especially American wisdom.  Question God.  He actually wants you to.  The Bible says so.  It's one piece of proof that there is a RELATIONSHIP.....not just blind obedience.  Question Daddy (me) and mommy....because sometimes....we are FULL of shit and wrong. 

And if you think the world is intolerable.....the country is intolerable......then fight to change it.   But make DAMN sure it's going to stick....and that the fight is something worth sacrificing yourself for.  History proves NOTHING STICKS because man is irrevocably corrupt.  Even good ideas such as the Republic and the Constitution were doomed to fail because they could only TEMPORARILY contain man's corruption.....never take it away.

  Otherwise....fight to improve yourself.....make a MORE PERFECT you.....before you try to make a MORE PERFECT UNION.  Try being a MORE PERFECT NEIGHBOR....a MORE PERFECT FRIEND....a MORE PERFECT FATHER OR MOTHER.

I think they'll find that ALL of their time is spent just doing that.....and will find VERY little time to save the Union....which is beyond saving.  Only picking up the pieces and starting over.....quite possibly one member at a time.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 23:02 | 4017133 acetinker
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5 kids.  Forgive me for saying so, 'cos I have 3 myself (all grown now), but wtf were you thinking?  Look man, I'm all with you, and I already said I think you're "right".

Dude, I ain't perfect.. never will be.  Nor are you,so you can quit preachin' to me just about... now.

You think you're the only motherfucker on this planet that is aware?  Like Jack Palance once said of Billy Crystal, "I crap bigger than you".

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 23:16 | 4017182 Jumbotron
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Did you not ask me this question?

 So, I wonder...  How will you care for you and yours in this "Brave New World"?

I answered your question.  If you feel I was being preachy or didactic that's your fault.  I intended neither.

As to your statement....."5 kids.  Forgive me for saying so, 'cos I have 3 myself (all grown now), but wtf were you thinking?"

I was thinking that after the first one....that each of the following 4 were miracles.  Because they all came after a brutal, year long, 4 chemical cocktail poison regime to save my life and beat my cancer.  My doc recommended I bank some sperm because I was going to be sterile.  I didn't.  What do they know.  Except for this.  I know he thinks my kids are miracles too.  Because he told me so.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 23:38 | 4017254 acetinker
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Oh, I see now.  You're a victim.  Poor you.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 00:06 | 4017320 Jumbotron
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What.....the.....FUCK.....are you talking about?

Look dickhead.  I told you a fact.  I had a disease.  I was not a victim.  Never did I mention I felt that way.  Nor was I a victor.  I didn't beat anything.  The chemo did.  I was supposed to be sterile.  I had 4 kids by choice after that.  I had nothing to do with that medical miracle.

Go blow some more on Rush Limbaugh's RUGGED individual.  Jack off Sean GREAT American.  Fight for your Constitution while reaming Mark Levin.....ya' MORON !

I see now that anybody that doesn't fit into your narrow, religious viewpoint (your religion being American conservatism) has just GOT to be a pantywaste, commie-pinko victim.  Else your booze addled brain would twist itself into a pretzel.

Here's a clue.  I don't give a fuck about Conservatism OR Liberalism.  They are BOTH failed philosophies.  Capitalism and Socialism.  Both equally heinous and breeding grounds for injustice.  Just a matter of degree and time....both inevitable.

But you just go right ahead pidgeon holing people.  Whatever gets you through the night.



Thu, 10/03/2013 - 01:42 | 4017443 SilverIsKing
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I can't make sense of his change in tone between posts either.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 08:27 | 4017804 marathonman
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You go Jumbotron!

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:56 | 4018351 acetinker
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Well Jumbo, as long as you're telling me what I think/believe, you might as well proceed with destroying that strawman you created.  Hannity and Limbaugh make me nauseous in the same way Obama/Reid/Pelosi/Boehner/Cantor do.  I will say though, I'm proud of you for sticking up for yourself, even if you do find comfort in strawman building/destroying.

I don't believe in religion.  You mentioned Carlin in one of your posts.  People say he was an atheist, I never heard him say that.  The same is said of Ayn Rand- but I never read that from her.  So, you can call me anything you want, it doesn't make it true.  The reason I mention Carlin is because he simply said what he felt and was unapologetic.  He offended tender sensibilities and challenged dogma.  In retrospect, I should not have mentioned your kids.  Everybody thinks their own kids are special, and that everyone else's is well, nothing special.  Ever wonder why that is?

As for Capitalism, I've never experienced the free market variety, therefore I don't know with certainty how well it works.  My hunch is that it would be a helluva lot better than the rampant Fascism we currently have.

Now just to cement your opinion that I am an asshole, here are some corrections:

There is no "d" in pigeon.

It's pantywaist, Jumbo. Pantywaist.  Although, pantywaste is a bit more humorous.

So, I'll be sure not to mention your progeny and you'll try to find the irony in your statement about pigeon-holing.  Deal?


Thu, 10/03/2013 - 12:22 | 4018780 Jumbotron
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Now just to cement your opinion that I am an asshole, here are some corrections:

There is no "d" in pigeon.

It's pantywaist, Jumbo. Pantywaist.  Although, pantywaste is a bit more humorous.

So, I'll be sure not to mention your progeny and you'll try to find the irony in your statement about pigeon-holing.  Deal?


Deal....asshole.  ;)

As far as my misspelling.  Rapid...pissed off typing.  Pigeon with a d...yeah, I'll own it.  Pantywaste....well....I did that on purpose.  Any good writer (I am not one) will tell you to first write for yourself in a way that makes you happy.  If you find an audience...great.  If not....then you still satisfied a deep need to get your thoughts and creativity on paper.  I went back and spelled it that way...for the express purpose of amusing myself.  And I'm very easily amused (that's not a fault or a weakness.....but a decades long honed skill; for if I was not easily amused I would find myself in a semi-permanent fetal position from the horror show that makes up most of modern American life).  Good catch though and I am genuinely glad you were amused.  I meant it that way....even if it was just for me.

As far as my children....say what you want.  Why should I care?  But I do not look at them as special.  Miracle....yes.  Medically special....yes.  Gift from God....yes.  But special just because they are mine.....nope.  They're not really mine.  I had nothing to do with the formation of the DNA and RNA and amino acids and lipids and neurons and everything else that makes up a human being including my kids.  And as a a Creator...a Father....then we are all family and equally as special.

It's just some of my family are bigger assholes than me.  Glad to finally meet you brother. ;)

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 13:18 | 4019126 acetinker
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Deal!  Full disclosure: acetinker = a stinker.  "I heat up, I can't cool down.  My situation is round and brown."  I mean hell, if Steve Miller can invent "pompitous", I can have some fun, too!

Godspeed Jumbotron, Godspeed!

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 14:18 | 4019367 Jumbotron
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HA !!  Right.....we're both a couple of "Jokers"

....and Peace be with you as well, my friend.


Thu, 10/03/2013 - 07:53 | 4017725 BigJim
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Hey Acetinker. You just outed yourself as ZH's prize fuckwit. Well done.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:08 | 4018441 acetinker
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I beg to differ, Jim.  I am an asshole, not a fuckwit.  It may be too subtle a distinction for you to discern, but I'm tellin' 'ya, straight up that assholes take offense to being called fuckwits. ;)

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 06:07 | 4017610 JoBob
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Backing away slowly is one approach but doesn't work with a charging rhino.  A more decisive approach is to stand and shoot.

That will get attention. Sacrifice necessary, but it is the only positive form of opposition left to the oppressed.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 13:08 | 4019004 Jumbotron
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The VAAAAST majority of Americans, your government, paramilitary local police forces....DO NOT RECOGNIZE YOUR OPPRESSION BECAUSE IT IS AN OPPRESSION OF AN ABRTRACT AND INCREASINGLY IGNORED IDEA !! <that being freedom> DO NOT have the right to VOILENTLY opposed the charging rhino through your second admendment rights.  Because you CANNOT really be oppressed in the land of such abundent, rampant consumerism and stuff.  MY GOD IN can RIGHT NOW get a free GALAXY S4000 if you sign up for a lifetime subscription to ATT-NSA.  And this phone ACTUALLY MAKES WAFFLES AND RUBS YOUR BALLS.....HOW THE FUCK COULD YOU POSSIBLY BE OPPRESSED TO THE POINT OF SHOOTING AT OUR BELOVED AND SAINTED FIRST RESPONDERS ???????

TERRORIST !!!!!  COMMENCE DRONE STRIKE IN 5....4....3....2....

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:01 | 4016894 Weisshaupt
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It amazes me how many people don't get it. I will not comply. I will not pretend that the Uniform or the Badge denote any legitimate authority. I will shoot at and kill as least one man with the badge when he attempts to make me comply. The other men with the badges will shoot me. I will die.  Liberty or Death. 

If I am alone, this means nothing. So the question is - how many more are out there like me, and how many men with the badges do they have willing to enter my home point a gun at my head and for the oh so urgent taks of  demanding  I buy health care?  

Lefties can never fathom such a selfsacrifice beingf completely self centered and without any principoles they would fight and die for.,. but I assure you such people exist. The question is how many of them are there, and are your forces enough?

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:49 | 4017099 Jumbotron
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It amazes me how many people don't get it. I will not comply. I will not pretend that the Uniform or the Badge denote any legitimate authority. I will shoot at and kill as least one man with the badge when he attempts to make me comply. The other men with the badges will shoot me. I will die.  Liberty or Death.

Go ahead Skippy.  Just give us your name so we can make sure to remember your name when you go down in a blaze of glory after next year's April 15th.  Or when you stop paying property prove that you ACTUALLY OWN anything at all.....which you don't.

Stop paying that mortgage to that MOLOCH bank until Jamie Dimon or Blankfein are getting it up the ass in prison.

Liberty or   Just maybe your Martydom will spark an American Spring come next year.  That's worth it right?  I mean....the Constitution was born in blood.  Maybe yours is just the ticket needed to change things around here.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 00:09 | 4017331 Desert Cat
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Individually, quietly, without discussion amongst each other, there are more of you than many are willing to admit.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 12:33 | 4018870 Jumbotron
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Individually, quietly, without discussion amongst each other, there are more of you than many are willing to admit. there's not Simple fact.

But go ahead....please do prove us wrong.  I REEEAALLLY would just love to see from a purely sociological standpoint what Balkinization would bring to this country.  I would REEALLLLY hate to live through it....but it sure wouldn't be boring.

The very freedom of access to this country (both legal and illegal) coupled with the freedom to think and believe however you wish including the freedom to ignore and disbelieve in Founding Principles has paved the way to Balkinization.  All it will take is your "quiet", "individual" secret group to come out guns blazing to "TAKE BACK AMERICAN" (which I always, white slave-holding land owners who thought all men were created equal except for niggers and women ?) to see the lovely paradise of Serbia or Rwanda be played out in America.

Forward Citizen of the Constitution !!!!


Thu, 10/03/2013 - 01:18 | 4017421 bigrooster
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I am in brother!  To quote him or hate him..."Every man dies, but not everyman lives"!  What do you have to lose, your life?  That is aleady a forgone conclusion.  What matters is what you make of your time.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 08:11 | 4017758 BigJim
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If there's a runaway train hurtling down a track, do you stand in front of it in a vain attempt to stop it? Useless self-sacrifice is just that - useless. And it may do more harm than good, if it means your children wind up in some institution, or, God forbid, getting killed because the Feds have read your 'heroic' pronouncements on the internet, and, instead of serving a warrant in the day, send a SWAT team in the dead of night to storm your place of abode because you're a self-avowed 'domestic terrorist', and fuck up and wind up killing your family.

While we have the vote, it is much more constructive to educate your fellow voters. At this time, violently resisting the 'authorities' and getting killed just gives them more power, not less... more excuse for them to become more militarised, more excuse for them to monitor everything we do, more excuse to confiscate weapons.

No one with half a brain would announce on the internet that they will resist the authorities with deadly force when the authorities carry out their legal duties. To do so is to invite being taken with overwhelming force, to face instant death from above. You sir, are either an idiot, or an agent provocateur, here to help the Feds find out who agrees with you.

Fuck off with your useless violence. No, not just useless, but counterproductive violence.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 09:59 | 4018090 Jean Valjean
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Men can dream, can't they?  I assume that action will not follow talk...yet.

And even if it did the action would be futile.  Not useless.  Not counterproductive.

Don't denigrate your teammates, even if they are at the extreme of the bell curve.


"While we have the vote"??!!

When was the last time your vote resulted in a positive change in DC?

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 12:48 | 4018967 Jumbotron
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"Men can dream, can't they?  I assume that action will not follow talk...yet."

Sure you can dream.   But remember what George Carlin said about the American Dream......"you have to be asleep to believe it ! "

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 09:59 | 4018094 Abaco
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We don't have the vote. We have a charade where you wal into a booth, look at a bunch of lighted pixels, touch the pixels, and then they told you who "won." Think you are voting? Just try and have the so called "ballots" counted and the totals verified.  Can't be done. Resistance is the only way. There is a full spectrum of resistance available from going out in a blaze of gunfire to gumming up the works at every opportunity. Choose your method but please, diasbuse yourself of the notion that there are elections and your vote is counted any other way than the way that the PTB want it counted.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:52 | 4018313 BigJim
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Ironically, whether we genuinely have the vote or not, as long as the vast majority of the people believe they have the vote, violent resistance is useless, because the majority will just vote - or propel with their support - the same types of parasites and parasitic institutions back into power.

If you live in a land populated by collectivist sheep, then it doesn't matter what you do (unless you plan killing them all, or disenfranchising them) because the day after the revolution they will hold out their wrists to the nearest politico to get them reshackled... and will help the politico's henchmen ensure your wrists get shackled, too.

We have two realistic choices - persuade our fellows that Big Government is a very bad idea, or move somewhere else. But seeing as collectivism is now the predominant Western political ideology, where would you move that would be any different? Particularly if you don't fancy (or can't afford) being unable to communicate effectively with your new countrymen for several years while learning to speak another language. And even if you do find some (relatively) free place, what's to guarantee the poison of collectivism won't pollute the minds of the local sheep? Collectivism appeals to an innate part of human nature, the desire to get something for nothing.

We find ourselves where we are. We have to deal with the hand we are dealt. At the moment, that hand is fascism-lite (though getting heavier by the week). If we devolve into an out-and-out tyranny and there is a sufficient number of people who see through the veil of 'democracy' to the knives and gears underneath, then, yes, run to the hills and make a stand, start an armed insurrection. Until then, it's futile, useless, and yes, counterproductive. You - a person who could have reached out to thousands of sheep and made them think, with reason, and analogy, and pithy apothegms... instead gets snuffed out in a smear of meat and gray matter, an example to the other sheep of what happens to those who violently resist.

What a waste.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 12:46 | 4018950 Jumbotron
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"We don't have the vote. We have a charade where you wal into a booth, look at a bunch of lighted pixels, touch the pixels, and then they told you who "won." Think you are voting?"

Take it away George....speak the truth.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 12:40 | 4018912 Jumbotron
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Here is a little secret folks.

The Articles of Confederation.....The Declaration of Independence......The second Constitution (the first being the Articles of Confederation) and the Bill of Rights......all give me the right to choose to ignore them....and destroy any civilization founded upon them.

The people of America (both legal and illegal) have spoken, have voted and are moving to exercise that right.

If you REEEEAALLLY love freedom and want to see the Founder's vision be propogated and perpetuated....then you guys need to do what the Founders and their forefathers did.

Get on a boat and leave for better ground.

And go to.......errr....hhmmmm.....well.....let me think about that for a moment. know.....I'll have to get back to you on that.  <sorry>

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 03:20 | 4017527 Hobbleknee
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Also, the constitution has been obliterated for decades.  Where are all those red lines?

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 06:40 | 4017628 Redhotfill
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Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:02 | 4016664 luckystrike6
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No, the Bible says you should respect the government's authority, even if you disagree with it.

Obedience in some cases might be slavery, but in this case it's not really different from buckling your seat belt The American right's terror of socialized medicine is hilarious. Granted this is a really stupid law and a terrible way to do it. But it is not in and of itself going to reduce you to a slave in a stalinist state. I live in Europe and trust me on this, whatever you heard on Fox News, there is absolutely NO comparison between going to an emergency room here for a broken leg versus in the States. Here it's good doctors, right away, all the way through, no waiting (2 hours) -- X-rays, an MRI, and the total bill is about $350. WITHOUT the insurance because I'm not on the social medicine plan.

Really can't bitch about that. Did Obama screw the pooch? Yup. The bill's a disaster. And it's gonna sink like a stone no matter what. Getting all worked up about it is pretty silly though. There are much worse things. Like the NSA. And drones being used by the FBI since 2006, apparently. And Google. Just a heads up, this little debate is what they want you to focus on. It doesn't make a shine of difference in the world. 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:43 | 4016771 acetinker
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I don't really give a flyin' fuck what the bible says 'cos it was written by men.  Men, while meaning well, are just as fallable as me.


The Income Tax is theft, but tolerable if administered well.

Property Tax is theft, but tolerable, for the same reason.

Sales Tax is theft- should I go on?

I can avoid all of the above, by not "owning" or "consuming".

Now, along comes Obamacare.  It says I "must" consume a commodity I may or may not desire- or pay a penalty.

I'm with the author.  I will not comply.  What they gonna do, lock me up and feed me?  Cool!

P.S. I didn't downvote you.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:02 | 4016895 luckystrike6
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P.S. I didn't downvote you

Appreciate that.

I see your point about being able to avoid the other taxes by not owning, buying, selling or traveling in a motorized vehicle. But if you aren't paying anything whatsoever for your health insurance right now, it's probably true that I'm paying for it already. And besides that, the real terrible thing about this law is that it's a big crooked giveaway that's going to rob taxpayers more and is not going to make companies any more efficient. So while it's worth looking at one end and saying they're screwing small business owners, I think it's a lot more valuable to say we're being screwed from both ends between that and the perpetuation of a severely corrupt and inefficient corporate (private) health system that's just dug its piggy fingers into the public coffers even further.

But I still think the whole thing's gonna collapse inside a year and is no cause, whatsoever, for hysterics.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:33 | 4017044 acetinker
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Brother, you ain't paying for my health insurance 'cos I wouldn't visit a doctor if blood was streaming out my ass.  That said, I recently had a physical at my wife's request.  She said it was to keep her premiums (at her state-level job) lower.  Now this dude said my blood pressure was high (170/95) and I don't care.  Another doctor said that if she got my BP to levels considered normal, it'd prolly kill me.  I needed her help, b/c at that moment, I had an abcessed tooth that I wanted removed.  The Oral Surgeon had previously denied service b/c my diastolic pegged his machine at 220!

I paid for that shit out-of-pocket, if you were wondering.  That "insurance" my wife was so worried about don't pay for issues like mine.

So, maybe I'm having a stroke just now.  Maybe I'm built different than most folks.  I dunno.  All I know is I've seen too many folks die... of worry about dying!

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 07:16 | 4017662 iamrefreshed
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Here's the asshole causing Obamacare. Screaming at "the man" while his wife collects off of it!

What we need is for hospitals not to be forced to care for the uninsured. No money or insurance, no service.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:37 | 4018577 acetinker
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Thank you for correctly identifying my type.  BigJim called me a fuckwit, but truly I am an asshole.  I am not Svengali.  I don't treat my wife as a slave.  She prefers the relative tranquility of servitude to the animating contest of freedom.  So be it.  She is capable of making her own decisions.

She's not on Obamacare-yet.  This confounds me, but our otherwise statist-to-the-bone Governor is blocking implementation of O-care.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:47 | 4017095 Calmyourself
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I down voted you for the simple fact that you don't understand Pauls letter to the Romans very well if you think Governmental obedience was the message..  Two, name one government program that has ever been stopped for failure?  Failure is the Pol's bread and butter they will all salivate at the fixes they can make to it while pandering to more and more of their constituents..  Collapse in a year, your a funny guy...

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:59 | 4017132 Jumbotron
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'Failure is the Pol's bread and butter they will all salivate at the fixes they can make to it while pandering to more and more of their constituents..  Collapse in a year, your a funny guy..."

LOL!  We have to let it FAIL in order to see what's in it.  THEN we can fix it....and make it WORSE.

And their great reward every 2-4 years is being re-elected by their raped constituencies.

We have met the enemy.  And it is us.  (Not the Pol)

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:14 | 4016950 TheReplacement
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No tax is theft if given of free will.  To have a nation you must have a government.  To have a government you have to pay for it.  We can all agree to pay via this or that tax.  We can voluntarily comply out of shared best interest.  Not all tax is theft.  Not that I recommend it but you are free to leave if you don't like it.  You are also free to try to influence the government and even run to be elected yourself.  If you disagree on having a government altogether you are again free to leave or to make a stand.  The choice is ultimately yours.

To be clear, what we have today certainly is theft on an epic scale by government for, by, and of itself.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 23:14 | 4017183 Desp
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You unfortunately have no idea what you're talking about. It's really not even worth arguing. The "You can leave if you don't like it" is the most asinine thing you statist like to say.

If it's not THEFT, it's not a TAX. A tax is "Either pay or we use violence to force you to pay".

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 23:20 | 4017199 Imminent Crucible
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What we have today is not exactly theft by government. Someone said above: "the Bible says you should respect the government's authority whether you agree with it or not".

That might be a valid argument if we were facing off with a government.  In fact, we have NO GOVERNMENT. We are ruled by a band of pirates, a brutal thuggish kleptocracy.  They are criminals.  They steal at will (Corzine>Dimon).  They kill at will (Hastings, Breitbart, who knows how many?)  There is nothing they will not do to stay in power and keep the masses in the sheep pen. Nothing. That is not a government.  It is a crime syndicate.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:33 | 4017858 BigJim
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 "No tax is theft if given of free will.  To have a nation you must have a government.  To have a government you have to pay for it.  We can all agree to pay via this or that tax.  We can voluntarily comply out of shared best interest.  Not all tax is theft.  Not that I recommend it but you are free to leave if you don't like it.  You are also free to try to influence the government and even run to be elected yourself.  If you disagree on having a government altogether you are again free to leave or to make a stand.  The choice is ultimately yours"

So... you write an entire paragraph saying that pretty much any tax/government is justified.. and then you state:

 To be clear, what we have today certainly is theft on an epic scale by government for, by, and of itself.

If the government were just charging us for the development and maintenance of non-excludable public goods... like roads, police, justice system, national defence... then I don't think anyone would have any issues with tax being charged to pay for it, particularly if the taxes were based on charges for monopolistic access to natural resources (like land ownership, oil, minerals, etc).

You need to have some kind of coherent theory describing what government is for. Until you have that, you get what we have now - an ever-expanding, predatory government/governing class.

As for the asinine idea you are free to 'leave' if you don't like it - why the hell should I leave my property, friends, social relations, and business ties, because a large minority of the electorate says I should pay for their lunch? And, as similar groups have set up power bases everywhere else in the developed world - where am I to go?

If your neighbours (many of whom own goannas) tell you they have decided everyone in the neighbourhood has to pay a percentage of their income to Save The Goannas Foundation, on pain of being thrown into a cage on non-compliance, would you meekly pay? Try to dissuade them that their threats are unjust? Or move somewhere else? Keep in mind that all the other neighbourhoods have decided you'll have to pay varying amounts to Save The Goannas Foundation too if you want to move there.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 06:42 | 4017630 Redhotfill
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Can I get Gluten free food in Federal Prison?

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 08:45 | 4017862 BigJim
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No, but I'm pretty sure you can get nutrition-free food there.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:36 | 4016794 Imminent Crucible
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You haven't been thinking very hard. Get clear on one thing: PPACA will fail, and fail catastrophically, yes. That's because it was DESIGNED to fail. Harry Reid admitted it in plain words: "No, it [ACA] isn't a sustainable system. But it's a solid first step toward a single-payer system."

In less than two years from implementation, ObamaCare will have the nation's medical services sector in such total chaos that there will be no option but to have the federal gov't intervene and take it all over.  That's the real purpose of a giant bill that no one read and 10,000 pages of regulations: to collapse and "force" the govt to step in and take charge of everything: all hospitals, patient records, doctors, technology...everything.

Getting all worked up about it is silly? Yeah, unless you or someone you love ever has a serious medical issue.  But hey, since when do disease and deadly accidents ever happen?

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:53 | 4016866 buyingsterling
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Amen, and yours is the argument every person of conscience needs to make over and over and over, at every opportunity: They set up a system that was guaranteed to be a punitive failure, so that they could punish you even more with more coercive government control when it fails. Instead, we need to tell them to piss off, and establish a free market in health care and insurance.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:18 | 4016969 A Lunatic
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When you can't get a kidney transplant at the local Farmers Market something is very wrong........

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:01 | 4018098 Abaco
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The words written in the Bible say submit to the authorities. They do not say submit to tyrants or usurpers or criminals.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:40 | 4016808 Keyser
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The only problem is that the koolaid is no longer working and the plebs are starting to ask questions. 


Thu, 10/03/2013 - 06:41 | 4017629 corndog
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Obedience to sin.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:15 | 4016442 NotApplicable
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I gotta say, I was not expecting to encounter a "Flight 93" reference.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:29 | 4017023 Rossalgondamer
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"...and dont forget the coffee!"

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 23:15 | 4017185 Desp
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Yeah, the rebellious spirit was making me happy until I read that, I became sad. I'll overlook it though.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:17 | 4016458 90's Child
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This is called being an patriot blogger. Against everything that's going on and so willing to voice their opinion. But actions speak louder than words. I feel the majority of what people write bout any given subject into today that isn't MSM, falls on deaf ears. Until something happens with out an ulterior motive and for the good of the people. It's gonna be just that.

Spoken words.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:06 | 4016679 Croesus
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"If you don't comply with ACA requirements, you will be subject to an IRS penalty of $600."

So, either "Buy ACA-approved insurance plan, OR pay IRS $600".

Either way, you will comply.

What is the ACA?

The Mafia would call it "a shakedown"; either you pay to prop up the medical industry, or you pay "the vig". 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:45 | 4016830 Keyser
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Read the fine print. It is a fee OR 1% of you annual salary, whichever is higher. And this is only in year 1. By 2016 the cost of opting out will be 2.5% of your annual salary. And that is to opt out, as paying the fine and not having coverage. Just wait till the middle to lower income folks finally figure out the impact to their wallet. It's not going to be pretty. The POTUS will wish the GOP were his only problem. 



Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:55 | 4017103 New World Chaos
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Just one more reason to drop out of the system, do cash jobs, even go on the dole.  You could get a low-level job working for the Man, get canned for causing expensive screwups, and then make them pay again for your 99 weeks of unemployment and your Medicaid.  At this point the enemy isn't just the system, it's also the stupid drones who refuse to see how rotten it is.  The more they get bled to pay for all this shit, the sooner the system will collapse.  Just try to keep the dole from rotting your skills and morals too much.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 08:45 | 4017853 Croesus
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@ Keyser:

Dammit! Why'd you have to tell me THE TRUTH? Thanks buddy! I didn't actually read-up on it, as thoroughly as I normally do (with things like this), so I actually was under the illusion that it was a fixed-rate opt-out.

Again, thank you!

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:15 | 4016931 Weisshaupt
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I retierate: It amazes me how many people don't get it. I will not comply. I will not pretend that the Uniform or the Badge denote any legitimate authority. I will shoot at and kill as least one man with the badge when he attempts to make me comply. The other men with the badges will shoot me. I will die.  Liberty or Death. 

If I am alone, this means nothing. So the question is - how many more are out there like me, and how many men with the badges do they have willing to enter my home point a gun at my head and for the oh so urgent taks of  demanding  I buy health care?  

Lefties can never fathom such a self sacrifice being completely self centered and without any principles they would fight and die for.,. but I assure you such people exist. The question is how many of them are there, and are your forces enough?

There has got to be a line in the sand somewhere. Maybe this isn't it. Maybe a gun grab is. But Compliance can only be obtained via Fear and force. I do not fear these bullies. I would rather die than "comply" with thier illigitmate and immoral demands.  Are they willing to kill me for it? Sure. As long as they aren't asked to go do it themselves.  Do you lefites feel strongly enough to go into your neighbors house with a gun and Compel him to comply? If not, why did you vote for a government man to do it for you, coward? Fear of retailation?  Fear you can't watch your neighbor 24/7?  Niether can the police. And if he gets wind that they are coming for him, what is to porevent him from taking revenge on you before they get there? The man with the badge isn't going to feel this is worth getting killed over. He isn't going to feel its worth leaving a widow and fatherless childen is he? 

The entire philosophy of the left is based on force- on corecing others to comply with the left's demands, to live they way they want you to live, to support what they want you to support. To take National Parks Hostage and let kids with cancer die till they get what they want. Some of us are sick of it,  IF you want to be bullies be bullies, But take your guns out and make me. Be the tyrants you want to be. Accept you are the evil sort of person willing to kill others if they believe differently than you. Go on. Come and MAKE ME like the barbarian you are. Come and shoot me because you want me to buy healthcare your way and I refuse to comply. After all its what you voted for. 


Thu, 10/03/2013 - 02:56 | 4017514 RichardP
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The other men with the badges will shoot me. I will die.

No.  It won't happen that way.  They will simply shoot you in a few places that will make you feel really, really bad.  So bad that you will either kill yourself, or you will go to the hospital.  But the hospital won't treat you because you have no health insurance.  You will heal slowly, and remain a cripple in serious pain for the rest of your life.  And nobody will bother to help you out or express any sympathy for your pain - because they will know that you didn't bother to help yourself out at the very beginning.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:46 | 4018282 GainByBrokenWindow
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Don't support the circus, friend. This isn't a left or right fight. The poorer people in this country might believe this will help them and they might be more likely to vote for Donkeys, but that doesn't make them the enemy. They're just duped with a different color wool.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:32 | 4017031 Wahooo
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I wonder how many IRS employees will show up for work if the bullets start flying. I'm guessing government will shut down when that happens. For good.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 00:56 | 4017393 lakecity55
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It is way too early in the game yet.

Let us wait and see the resentment build.

USA Serfs are good at finding creative ways to fuck things up.

A resistance will build. Be patient for now. Somebody will come up with some ideas. I am not the only guy reading the bill to see how to play with it.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 08:27 | 4016502 Dick Buttkiss
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"I'm not complying, either."

If you can get a good deal in the short run, take it, as it will help starve the beast in the long run.

A twofer, in other words, so game the state in good conscience, mindful that, by its very nature, the state doesn't have one.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:33 | 4016549 Serfs_Up
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Love the sentiment. ...are you ready for the black van with gubment goons chauffeuring you to the NDAA holding cell? 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:22 | 4016744 JacksNight
Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:04 | 4016917 dufferin
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"free citizen"

Wrong. Human Being have Rights. Human Being are free. If he engage them that way it is not the best start. It's a name game.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 00:23 | 4017359 kchrisc
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First step is Rejection. Just reject these criminals and their supposed "authority."

Then let them come and force the people that are said to have, "...a rifle behind every blade of grass."

Got guillotines?!

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 09:36 | 4018028 torak
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Sorry, but 80% of your fellow Americans are already in the slaughter house chute and don't even realize it.  Once they do -- so sad, too bad.  This is a sad movie that going to end badly. 

If you're still free -- run like hell.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:07 | 4018113 slightlyskeptical
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Since the author lives in Massachusets he has been living under what is basically Obamacare for many years already. Nothing but false outrage in my opinion, just as the many post on here that follow.

Archie Bunker lives! 

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 14:47 | 4019551 Head_Shots_Work
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Well good for you and your buddies Matthew! However, it's like public schools - we 'all should send our kids to them and support the school system' - except 'not MY fucking kids - no way in hell their going to try to learn anything in THOSE cesspools!'. Although - like the recent Syria 'non-war' brought about by a nearly unanimous rejection by the American people (and which resulting in a hilarious bitch slapping of the dickwad president we have) - this *COULD* be the straw - the boxes of tea - the tax that sets off the revolution. Except instead of fighting some overseas entity we'll be fighting someone closer to home right (oh - except that Goofman and JPMorgue are ultimately owned and controlled by London probably). Remember (and since I'm probably older than most of you guys I feel somewhat paternal towards you - having experienced more history) - in revolutions - like everything else - timing is everything. 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:05 | 4016389 max2205
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Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:07 | 4016392 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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I'm in. Fuck it. Call me when the tax revolt happens because that is the only way for true noncompliance. Anyone can refuse to join the exchanges without any consequence. Paying the levy (tax) for not doing so is another story. If you a fucking Patriot take on the IRS since if they can't enforce it, it falls. Everything else is gum flapping with no substance.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:10 | 4016424 VD
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correct. you comply (have health insurance) or you comply (don't get insurance but get taxed).


you get taxed or you get taxed. the above author may want to organize some kind of rebellion and go after the IRS head on, or he'll get taxed, unless he has no net worth. 


yes it's all fucked. at least gov is closed at time of this comment. 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:26 | 4016497 mofreedom
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Stop funding the IRS...pretty darn return on a post card...your wish is your do own this country you march to DC and support the vets and take a runny poop on the IRS...sign, building, steps, windows, mail slots, march to DC with me.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:38 | 4016561 Mike in GA
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Best opportunity for a meaningful march is with the truckers Oct 11-13th...find a trucker buddy and roll on.


The bikers sure did a helluva job of making a visual statement.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:41 | 4016576 mofreedom
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Good idea.

An aside, a truck full of pig manure, a truck full of chicken manure and ten trucks of turkey manure.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:44 | 4016814 Forty Six and 2
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Unfamiliar with turkey manure, chicken manure isn't fun, but pig manure is definitely foul; way worse than chicken IMO. Literally, dump that shit all over DC.


Edit: Send a care package of pig manure to each and every member of CONgress, POTUS, VPOTUS, and SCOTUS. If you wind up paying the penalty, literally mail that shit in with your tax return and check.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:51 | 4016853 mofreedom
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sulfurous eminations.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:16 | 4016440 knukles
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I got a few sneaking hunches about all this...
People are going to be getting pretty damned pissed off when they start truly "engaging" the Leviathan's monstrosity referred to as the system.
Many folks are finding employer sponsored health insurance (mind you it is insurance, not health care, FFS, let's call a spade a spade) disappearing.  And if they have any epiphany like myself, once moved from a large employer's teat to dealing with this shit on their own, it's maddening.  As in yes, PO'd time.
And the paperwork, etc., is die nachtmare, like from an olde German vampire movie....
Many folks seem to be beginning to wonder just who the "traitors" in modern society really are.  Who are attempting to undermine constitutional rights, freedoms, and liberties.  (Not suggesting anybody is doing so, just wondering out loud where the source of the evil lurks.... It's a mighty long way to them caves in the mountains over in them countries can't find on the maps.)


Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:23 | 4016750 pods
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knukles, I stopped going to the doctor (after I got fixed) and the nurse asked me if I have any firearms in the house.  At first I thought, how fucking bad is this guy? (pretty good) 

Then she shrugged and said it was standard they ask that.  So I told her I was not going to answer that because it was none of her business. (probably a special box for that)

Doctor's offices are a waste of my time.  Ten minutes of filling out forms I have filled out before, then after a 5 min consult, the doc comes to the same conclusion I did and gets out his pad.

For this privilege I get to pay out the wazoo in premiums, and then have to pay the first $3500 up front.  Fuck that.

Haven't been to the doctor in years.  Internet will solve most of the problems we face as a society.


Thu, 10/03/2013 - 07:06 | 4017652 Redhotfill
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You are correct sir!  Trip to the cliinic to get a Dr.'s permission slip ( AMA lobbied for Monopoly) to buy antibiotics  $125.  Purchase of Z-Pack at pharmacy that processes and validates "permission slip"  $110.  Total $235.    Z-pack at Tiajuana Pharmacy $6   

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:52 | 4018314 GainByBrokenWindow
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I go to a doctor regularly for a daily prescription to keep me alive. I've never been asked if I have firearms...

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:49 | 4016797 Bawneee Fwank
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It will be enforced!  This is the reason podunk law enforcement across this nation has been given federally funded license plate scanners at a cost of $15,000 per patrol car(Your local podunk will tell you its to nab wanted felons and such...thats bullshit though)  You choose not to pay the penalty and your driver license will be suspended.  You go to your local walmart needing bread for your rug rats and you pass that officer sitting in the median scanning plates and his computer will go off alerting him to the fact you have a suspended license.  The officer will not give a damn as to why your license was suspended and if you try to explain to his steroid infused retarded ass he will zap the piss out of you with a taser and bash your skull in leaving your urine soaked shit stained self a vegetable...what will you do??  Dont think you can drive outside your county or state and not get caught...The county I live in is linked with other counties, which means eventually it will all be linked...Im betting by the end of this year, right around tax time.  Also, your local law enforcement will be more than happy to comply with the feds, the only fine the feds will get is your penalty for non-compliance with ACA...The local podunk fucktards will get the suspended license fine, car impound fine, court costs etc...

Also, this is the reason states across this country started requiring new driver license standards...federally mandated!  Here in Georgia we had to take Birth Certificate, SS Card, two bills showing proof of address and a facial recognition photo is taken after you comply with all that bullshit...The fact I have been a licensed driver in this state since the age of 15 meant nothing. The reason for this is so the feds can send an alert to the local/state agencies which will suspend your license or it could be done at the federal level, not sure. 

Now when did the "Real ID Act" pass...2005  And ACA passed in 2010, all this shit was planned...The enforcement is in place and was meant to be in place before all of these tyrannical bills were passed. 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:51 | 4016857 akak
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That is all just pure speculation, if not outright fear-mongering, unless you can provide some solid evidence to back it up.

Not, of course, that I would put ANYTHING past the federal government.  But despite the belief of many, both in and out of government, the feds are not God, and are far from being either omniscient or omnipotent.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:35 | 4017047 buyingsterling
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Pure speculation? Have you been living under a rock since 1993? This government is going to gang rape the productive while the looters and leeches watch from their thrones. Then they're all going to gang-rape your corpse.

If you don't comply with Obamacare and refuse to pay the fines, they will drive you into bankruptcy. It will come down to you being bodily seized by the authorities unless you desire to resist with deadly force, in which case you'll end up a corpse (and then be gang-raped). Or you can put down your guns, they will lock you up, and you'll be ventilated and then gang raped by their trained animals in prison. Either way, you're gonna bleed from your ass. Wake the FUCK UP. This is for all the marbles, and they want them all, you don't even get to sit down, slave.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:07 | 4016393 Decolat
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Yeah, what he said.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:05 | 4016394 Parisnights
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<------Must be compelled to comply


Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:09 | 4016417 johngaltfla
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Watch A Clockwork Orange again....

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:06 | 4016400 zorba THE GREEK
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Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:08 | 4016401 rlouis
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and from which the privileged few are exempted,   Them bitchez

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:06 | 4016403 LetThemEatRand
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I get the sentiment, but wouldn't your "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore" attitude be better directed at laws such as the Patriot Act and the ubiquitious spying that is imposed on us all day every day including on this article which you nonetheless posted?   Is being told you must have health insurance (we're all required to have car insurance and we all still drive cars) worse than being treated like a criminal all day every day behind the scenes, and paying taxes to support the infrastructure to do it?  

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:23 | 4016486 akak
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No, it would not, because unlike in the case of not signing up for Obama(Don't)Care or not paying the penalty for not having done so, there was and is no clear-cut single action that could be taken that would clearly send the message that one was or is not complying with the so-called Patriot Act.

I long ago determined that this was going to be my line in the sand as well.

"This far AND NO FURTHER!"

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 23:20 | 4017104 DoChenRollingBearing
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(Not One Inch More)

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:27 | 4016511 Singelguy
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You are comparing apples to oranges. You choose to drive a car and with that choice you are required to have car insurance. Many people, especially in large cities, choose to use public transit or use cabs or ride a bike. The ACA requires you to have insurance just because you are alive. There is no choice. You pay insurance or you pay a fine. You are not fined for using public transit or taking a cab or riding your bicycle. The only choice you have is to die if you do not want insurance nor pay the fine. Under the Constitution, you have a right to life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness. Therefore it is unconstitutional to force you to choose to live or die, or attach conditions to your right to life.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:38 | 4016533 LetThemEatRand
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So how is this different than every other tax you pay to be alive?  Unless you live in the woods and eat off the land you pay taxes.  You pay taxes when you buy food.  You pay taxes when you work.  You pay taxes if you live off investments.  In order to have money to survive, you pay taxes.  If you don't want Obamacare, you pay a fine (tax).  How is this different?  If it makes you feel better to protest than by all means.  I think Obamacare is a ridiculous give away to insurance companies and I hate it too.  But people who think they are standing up to the man by not buying insurance are fooling themselves.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:41 | 4016568 akak
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It is different because in no other circumstance is one taxed merely for being alive.  And really, not just taxed, but more importantly, forced to buy a product from a private entity.

But I just knew that you (or some of our other posters here like you) would make this disingenuous argument.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:16 | 4016713 luckystrike6
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If you have no insurance and go to an ER, that comes out of everyone's pocket.

If you have Obama coverage and go to an ER, that also comes out of everyone's pocket.

If anything, the mandate is more fair than you being allowed to save your life by going to a hospital that I pay for and you don't. Which is what you'd do now if you don't have insurance and don't agree with paying taxes.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:31 | 4016766 luckystrike6
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Well, I already pay for private health insurance -- I run my own business. So my level of giving a shit that other Americans should pay for theirs too is fairly low. Right now, my tax money is being used to pay for people who don't have any insurance showing up in emergency rooms.

On the other hand, it would be better if we had done something more like the French system. Instead of forcing people to pay for it, you semi-nationalize the insurance companies and stop them from taking outrageous profits; turn them into a simple storage system. Then cap the costs of basic operations and emergency medicine, and subsidize doctors to work in places they wouldn't otherwise work.

End result is a $300 MRI and almost no waiting time for patients, and doctors with nice houses in the country who although they can't advertise in the yellow pages, still do pretty well.

There is an argument to be made that medicine is one place where the profit motive should be tamped down because it costs society more in the long run when you have a lot of sick people. There are smart ways of doing that. Obama's isn't one of them. It's lock-stock bought by the insurance companies, and that's why it's such a rip-off of the taxpayer.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 06:28 | 4017617 10PastMidnight
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that would be an idea if they wanted to actualy fix it, but i have a sinking feeling that fixing it wasn't part of the plan, now what is the real plan, ponder on that for a bit my ZH amigo's.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 18:50 | 4020713 luckystrike6
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Gotta agree with you there. Fixing it is obviously NOT on the agenda.

I'm talking as an expatriate who lived in 12 countries, and who sees the good sides in other countries health care systems -- what we should apply -- and also sees the bad sides, what we should avoid. I don't think it's a socialist/individualist question; it's much more about getting rid of corruption which is what takes 80% of the efficiency out of the American system. The French system is basically the exact opposite of Obamacare : It's a non-corrupt, semi-private system with state allowances on an individual bases, as opposed to a corrupt, semi-public system with complicated group exemptions. To some extent, it's the Right that's to blame for muddying this all up, because honestly I'm for either a REAL free-market (no state divisions) or else screw it and go with a single-payer system. Anything is better than this ridiculous, corrupt monstrosity we have right now in America.

For the people who think Sweden is a socialist hell-hole... good night and good luck to ya. I'd rather break a bone there or in Canada -- hell, even in Vietnam -- than face a night at the ER in the good ol' USA.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 23:01 | 4017135 Calmyourself
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Always remember what LTER is, most likely a bot from the rapid evolutions; prog to quasi con to pragmatism.. 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:41 | 4016567 AGuy
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" You pay insurance or you pay a fine."

Only if you have income. If you earn zero or near zero there is nothing to tax. His legal option for non-compiliance is to not work and collect income. Go Galt. In fact is my plan to join Mr Galt in 2014. No point working when 2/3 of my income is harvested to pay gov't taxes (Federal, State, Local). All that money simple goes to pay for gov't programs that remove my liberties and freedom! Its like paying to go to prison, only without the Free cable TV, free meals, and free Healthcare.



Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:17 | 4016723 luckystrike6
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Just stop working and live off the fat of the land? Hehe... although I've got a certain pride that would stop me from doing that, it's not a terrible idea if you're running a small business right now.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:21 | 4016743 LetThemEatRand
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"it's not a terrible idea if you're running a small business right now."

Amen to that.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:40 | 4017075 buyingsterling
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You're SPOT ON..... except for 'the poor'.

I feel for them because this monetary system fucks them the worst of anyone. But I'm also sick of carrying them on my fucking back. The 'poor' will never be required to do anything until there are so many of them that important things (like tending the rice paddies) are not being done. Then they'll be chain-ganged, right next to you, probably.

This system of governance is a pathetic farce of a fucking joke. A total reset is the only way out - no income tax, no restrictions on people earning a living, nothing consensual illegal, etc. Anything else just props up this fucking tyranny. Fuck it.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:31 | 4016523 Mitzibitzi
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Yeah, but having car insurance does at least make some kind of sense; if you have a blowout, swerve and shunt a Bugatti Veyron into the barrier, writing it off, you ain't gonna have to foot a really very large repair bill. Or, at least, not up front.

Being forced into a crappy healthcare system that you may never even need, against your will, is a little different. At least as long as you can contract privately with doctors who will do the same shit for 'barter' of whatever you can return in value.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:07 | 4016405 laurelweiner@ya...'s picture

but the new tzar said so

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:08 | 4016409 Running On Bing...
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I will not OBEY!


Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:09 | 4016412 Yenbot
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Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:09 | 4016414 Printfaster
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Call me after the 16th amendment is repealed.

Then we can talk.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:11 | 4016421 CH1
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Then you'll never do a thing. Go back to sleep.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:53 | 4016858 pods
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Well to be repealed it acutally would have had to pass in the first place:


Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:42 | 4017083 buyingsterling
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It's an emanation. Or a penumbra. Or something. They want to steal your labor, so it's gonna happen. Or you can resist (see my comment above regarding ventilation and gang rape).

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:11 | 4016423 CH1
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Americans are enslaved by their obedience.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:13 | 4016435 LetThemEatRand
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And paying a few hundred dollar fine to "stand up" against Obamacare is like blowing through a toll and paying the fine and thinking you're George Washington.  They don't give a fuck and you pay the fine and they just got even more of your money for nothing.  

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:26 | 4016463 fonzannoon
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I'm interested in seeing the red arrow against this LTER comment speak up and explain why they junked him.

edit - okay any of the six, lol

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:25 | 4016503 akak
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LTER, the point is that one does NOT pay the (illegal, immoral, unconstitutional, unethical) fine either.

May YOUR chains rest lightly upon you, though.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:28 | 4016516 fonzannoon
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Akak, I may be lost on this one, but I thought that fine would be paid, one way or another. I thought I read they could garnish your wages, dip into your bank acount, or take your tax refund. Granted if somone is so far outside the system that they can avoid all of those, and more....then I guess they did pull it off, and my hat's off to them

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:32 | 4016542 akak
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Yeah, maybe they have threatened to do all that if one does not comply.

They also threatened to bomb Syria.

I say let's call their bluff, and at the very least make them work like hell for it.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:38 | 4016560 fonzannoon
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I want them to do it. I hope they actually go ahead and do it. No more bluffs. There has to be that moment when they overstep and some heads actually (and literally) roll. Until we cross that line we are just frogs in warm water. Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake right?

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:18 | 4016724 pods
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My only problem with that fonz is that this boondoggle is going to cause so much pain that whatever is offered up to "save" us from this monstrosity will be gladly accepted.

Almost like it was planned that way.  


Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:51 | 4016852 fonzannoon
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I dom't think anything will be proposed to save us from this until people decide to save themselves. If they ever do.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:54 | 4016870 pods
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A certain percentage will withdraw. I am trying to find a way myself.

Most are just happy to move along from the field, to the shearing pen, and then onto the truck as long as it is comfortable.


Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:45 | 4017094 buyingsterling
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I guess you don't have kids. I have two beautiful daughters. So I'm gonna comply because if I don't, they'll find an excuse to remove my kids from my home and molest them. When my kids are 18 I will join you.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:34 | 4016548 LetThemEatRand
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The only reason I care about this debate is that people get a false sense of "standing up" by not complying with Obamacare.  As you point out, they will indeed pay whether they like it or not, and by paying a fine they get absolutely nothing in return.  No insurance but big bill.  It's a false choice and a meaningless protest -- in fact, it is a protest that will actually generate more revenue for the government.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:46 | 4016593 akak
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What is so hard about this argument for you to understand?  Oh yeah, I get it now --- it's the very concept of standing up to authority, no matter how corrupt, that makes your government-loving head explode.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:23 | 4016747 LetThemEatRand
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If you're willing to go to prison over it, then I agree it's a real protest.  But if you had that intention you would just stop paying taxes period. 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:56 | 4016874 One of We
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Every time I say molon labe I look at my three little kids and hope that no one does for a while.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:19 | 4016979 Weisshaupt
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To take us to prison they have to come for us physically first.  Its really beyond your comprehension isn't it? Fighting for freedom with your life?  You of course are willing to kill yoiu neighbors to get your way- you know, as long as its some govt thug doing the killing and not you, right?


Wed, 10/02/2013 - 23:32 | 4017229 Captain Benny
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This is why all Americans should carry firearms... To defend from a tyrannical govt

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