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White House Meeting Ends In Failure: Boehner Says Obama "Reiterated He Will Not Negotiate"

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Any hopes that tonight's meeting between the president and members of Congress, which lasted about an hour, would yield results just went up in smoke:

  • BOEHNER SPEAKS AFTER MEETING WITH OBAMA AT WHITE HOUSE
  • BOEHNER SAID OBAMA REITERATED HE WILL NOT NEGOTIATE
  • BOEHNER SAYS TIME FOR SENATE TO APPOINT NEGOTIATORS

Reid chimes in:

  • REID SAYS BOEHNER HAS TO ACCEPT `YES FOR AN ANSWER'

Which means the government shutdown will proceed into its third day, with little hope for a political resolution on the horizon.

The Market is disappointed...

 

Live stream here:

 

And in other political news, the House just approved three targeted spending resolutions to the Senate on Wednesday, daring Senate Democrats to vote against measures to immediately fund the District of Columbia, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the National Park Service. The bills are part of the House Republican plan to pass spending bills in areas where there is bipartisan agreement, in order to spare some pieces of the government from the shutdown.

However, this is merely more political theater. As the Hill reports, "while Democrats support these priorities, they mostly opposed attempts to pass them in the House today. Democrats said Republicans were using the bills as part of a political strategy to mitigate the effects of the shutdown when they should instead pass a Senate spending resolution that funds the entire government.

The majority is making itself clear," said Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.). "Any time they see a bad headline, they're going to bring a bill to the floor to make it go away."

 

But Republicans pointed to a few other headlines that were playing badly for Democrats today. Before passing a bill to keep national parks and monuments open, Republicans blasted the Obama administration for erecting barricades around the World War II memorial this week, which kept out visiting veterans groups.

 

"Barricades were put up around the World War II memorial," said Rep. Mike Simpson (R-Idaho). "Again, a memorial accessible to the public 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year.

 

"We should not be using our national parks… as hostages for the Democratic 'my way or the highway' shutdown."

The bills now move to the Senate, where Reid has repeated the Republican "piecemeal" funding approach will not fly and will likely table them, in the process letting the political talking point circus escalate, with Republicans now blaming Democrats of defunding the NIH and other core services.

Along the way to passing the resolution funding the NIH, H.J.Res. 73, Republicans criticized Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) for dismissing the idea of funding programs that help sick children. When asked if he would support NIH funding to help even one child with cancer, Reid said "Why would we want to do that?"

 

"We should pass this resolution notwithstanding what the majority leader in the other body says," said Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas). "It's very straight-forward. I think in any normal situation there would be bipartisan support for this."

 

Most Democrats opposed this bill as well, and said it amounts to playing off needy groups off each other.

 

"Every day the Republican leadership tries to find a new way to pit one desperate group of Americans against another," said Rep. George Miller (D-Calif.). "Today Republicans are pitting kids with cancer against kids who are hungry because of the shutdown."

 

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Frustrated Democrats could only vent their frustration at Republicans who showed no sign of caving in on their demand to undermine ObamaCare on the second day of the government shutdown.

 

"I've never seen such small-minded, miserable behavior in this House of Representatives, and such a disregard of our responsibilities to the people," Rep. John Dingell (D-Mich.) complained. "The American people could get better government out of monkey island in the local zoo than we're getting… today."

Increasingly it looks likely that Obama will have no choice but to let things devolve to the nuclear option, which he inferred in his "Wall Street should be concerned" interview: hit the revised debt ceiling "X-Date" around October 17 in a replay of August 2011, at which point the market plunges, and everyone caves on preserving the status quo. Just like always.

 

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Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:06 | 4016092 lolmao500
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Excellent.

Reid needs to accept that he's got NO POWER since THE HOUSE controls the money. If he doesn't like it, he can die already, nobody will miss the fucker.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:11 | 4016116 Stoploss
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Congrats on the 100+ up votes your about to receive lol..

 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:21 | 4016166 1000 splendid suns
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This is all just a distraction to keep NASA shut down while comet ison wreaks havoc.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:24 | 4016183 Never One Roach
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"Paging Charlie Sheen. Charlie Sheen. Will Mr Sheen please come up to the front negotiators' table. Thank you."

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:33 | 4016223 Zer0head
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Dear Speaker Boehner:

 

He was negotiating. 

(You just didn't pick up the signals when he dropped the penny on the floor as Hairy was loosening his belt.)

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:07 | 4016391 CrimsonAvenger
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In all the GOP's strategizing, I don't know how they missed the obvious: Boehner just has to put on a turban, robes, and a fake big-ass mustache and Obama will give away the store.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:14 | 4016443 eatthebanksters
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How to make friends and get deals done...invite them to your house cause you're the big dawg and when they arrive and get settled tell them to go fuck themselves.  Yea, this president knows whet he's doing...what a fucktard time wasting petulant child. I hoep the Repugs wait his ass out so his 15 banker friends that visited the WH today can start feeling the heat. 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:50 | 4016856 TheFourthStooge-ing
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BHOANER FORCED TO PULL OUT UNGRATIFIED

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:14 | 4016439 XenoFrog
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It must have been a fun meeting to attend. Show up just to have Obama petulantly say they won't negotiate.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:33 | 4016228 Pool Shark
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Starve

The

Beast

 

 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:59 | 4016346 silverserfer
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explain to me all on here that want to defund the federal govt and lower the national debt. this preserves the power of the FED. You act like the fedbux must be preserved. Why would you wnat that? Hyperinflationary event blows them up. Deflationary event strengthens their power and they survive. Gold doenst go to 55K if they are stil around to print. If we are paying for excess with funny money and headed on an exponentioal curve with unsustainable debt why not. Status quo can only be broken by hyperinflationary event or war.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:04 | 4016666 NidStyles
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Stick to selling t-shirts and leave the economics to more capable minds please.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 23:02 | 4017137 silverserfer
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my intuition tells me you are as worthless in real life as you are on this site Nid. Suck a fat one

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:25 | 4016185 GetZeeGold
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Number one rule for radicals...is that radicals don't like rules.

 

To bad Harry....no checkbook for you!

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:57 | 4016884 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Embedded media set to autoplay make the Baby Jesus cry.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:20 | 4016126 TruthInSunshine
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Don't get too optimistic; I'm all for a protracted shutdown since I'm such a "radical anarchist" according to Harry "Vegas Strip Whore" Reid, but the John McCanuses & Lindsey Nancy Grahams will guarantee this kabuki dance that is part & parcel of the false left-right paradigm ends with the hydra-headed beast that is BIG GOVERNMENT resumes ordinary, parasitic, debt accumulating, tragically inefficient operations soon.

History's largest army that is comprised of 23,000,000 federal, state & local government "workers," most of whom are overcompensated, over fringe-benefited & massively incompetent, WILL NOT BE DENIED THEKR RIGHTFUL PLACE AT THE TAXPAYER/DEBT SERF TROUGH.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:27 | 4016186 McMolotov
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We have a government of the fucktards, by the fucktards, and for the fucktards. This is an amusing diversion, but there is basically zero chance of stopping such colossal fucktardation without resorting to physical violence. All we can do for now is pray that it collapses in on itself.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:31 | 4016214 Deo vindice
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Truthinsunshine - green arrow for being able to articulately state the entire argument with a nice command of the English language.

(Also proof that one can keep one's language 'clean' and still put forth a forceful argument. Well done!)

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:00 | 4016361 Dinero D. Profit
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Circa 1930s' in Germsny, this was said, exactly, in German, by a German.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:18 | 4016455 XenoFrog
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If it makes you feel better, I was discussing this with my uncle and he said that in the Clinton shut down he and all his fellow workers got all the back pay once the shut down was over. Obama and Reid will talk about how this hurts the government workers, but they'll be fine in the end.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:48 | 4017097 DangerClams
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But will I be fine in my end?

That's the end I care about.  The pucker is tuckered from the repeated reamings.

 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:13 | 4016129 akak
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YOU ANARCHIST!!!!

ANARCHISTS, ANARCHISTS, ANARCHISTS EVERYWHERE!!!!!!

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:16 | 4016145 lolmao500
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Thanks for all these compliments!

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:34 | 4016233 nmewn
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Its like Reid wants kids with cancer to die...or sumpin ;-)

Harry Reid: “Why Would We Want To” Help One Child With Cancer By Only Funding NIH?

“I have 1,100 people at Nellis Air Force base that are sitting home. They have a few problems of their own,” he said.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/harry-reid-why-would-we-want-to-help-one-child-with-cancer-a

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:54 | 4016869 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

“I have 1,100 people at Nellis Air Force base that are sitting home. They have a few problems of their own,” he said.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/harry-reid-why-would-we-want-to-help-one-child-with-cancer-a

One of their biggest problems is Hairy Butthole Reid.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:50 | 4016318 El Oregonian
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Reid just got a Boehner while screwing the American people.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:17 | 4016149 DoChenRollingBearing
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If I ask really nicely, can I be one too?

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:04 | 4016920 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Anachronists everywhere?! AnAnonymous must be toying around with his time-traveling lightning-powered flying rickshaw again.

Fuck you, anachronists! Whether you know it or not, you're blobbing up Chinese citizenism!

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 23:27 | 4017211 akak
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Just think of how all of our US 'american' monolizing of the consumption means is now hampered by the federal shutdown!

Not to mention all those US 'american' farms of the weak that are now closed for business, and all the US 'american' extortation of the poor that is no longer being conducted!

Talk about being kicked right in one's citizenism!

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:22 | 4016164 SHEEPFUKKER
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  • BOEHNER SAID OBAMA REITERATED HE WILL NOT NEGOTIATE

Terrorists "un-negotiating" with other terrorists. 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:33 | 4016234 JLee2027
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Then why have a meeting? This makes no sense. I've run into this before in my personal life, when the other party wouldn't negotiate, but keep insisting on "talking". About what? Eventually you just have to shut off the money and walk away from them. 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:08 | 4016408 CrimsonAvenger
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Well, there's what they talked about, and there's what they tell you they talked about. I doubt the conversation went as publicly reported.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:53 | 4017107 DangerClams
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Showing up not to have a negotiation.  Had I tried that with Boeing while working as a sub-contractor for them, I'd be eating Ramen on the streets of St. Louis.

On a good night.

Barry's a big baby fella.  Always has been.  Always will be.  When raised by mommies and commies, there's no end to the size of the pussy you can grow up to be.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:35 | 4016238 XitSam
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They are a bunch of statists arguing about how to spend somebody else's money.  

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:31 | 4016222 neidermeyer
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This is BS , Boner wants to cave but can't do so politically right now ,, he's lining up traitors to vote with the rats ,, 17 in all right now.. we're done.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:32 | 4016225 Gringo Viejo
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"It ain't much of a crime whackin' a surly bartender"

....Augutus McRae

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:00 | 4016355 zorba THE GREEK
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S&P futures sinking fast......Come on Obama....negrociate.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:07 | 4016096 Shizzmoney
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"Bipartisan usually means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out."

- George Carlin

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:12 | 4016111 lolmao500
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Bipartisan means you're getting double penetrated instead of just fucked.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:17 | 4016152 Darksky
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Bipartisanship=Getting fucked rotisserie style!

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:35 | 4016242 neidermeyer
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They're flying the HEDGEHOG in just for this one ...

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:51 | 4016324 James-Morrison
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Looks like a job for Putin!

Bring him in; he'll whip our DC Dorks in line. 

He already has the upperhand with Obama. 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:07 | 4016399 moonstears
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uh, no Jim.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:07 | 4016097 surf0766
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NOBODY believes your bullshit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please stop talking. You are causing global warming !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You dumb bitch whore  !!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I feel better now

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:23 | 4016157 Legolas
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Obama's wife is fat !

 

How fat is she?

 

Obama's wife is sooooo fat, that, when she puts on her little black dress, it, it looks like an eclipse !

 

There, now I feel better too !

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:43 | 4016580 lotsoffun
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got to give the little f*g credit.  unlike michael jackson, i think he really did father the kids.  and - any port in a storm.

i hate to admit this, but she's a primate.

 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:20 | 4016162 itstippy
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How can you be concerned about global warming at a time like this?  Don't you get it?  THE U.S. FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS SHUT DOWN!

This is a calamity of Biblical proportions.  The terrists are crossing our borders in droves because the authorities have no money for bullets to shoot them.  Senior Citizens are entering the late stages of malnutrition because their Meals On Wheels program has no funding.  Childrens' milk is contaminated with ecoli and diptheria because the milk inspectors are furloughed.  Mount Rushmore's been overrun by "Occupy" nutballs, complete with face painting and drum circles, while the Park Rangers are rendered helpless due to no gasoline.  It just goes on and on!

Washington's gone to shit ever since the Rabid Right ran Senator Weiner out of Congress.  We need him back!  At times like this we need real LEADERSHIP!

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:24 | 4016188 surf0766
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Dam it. Respect my Authoritah !

 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:01 | 4016366 itstippy
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Nobody saw it coming!  We can't even mobilize the National Guard to deal with the situation - they're all on stand-down because their checks bounced!

None of this shit used to happen when Wilbur Mills was in charge of Ways And Means.  Where is the LEADERSHIP?!?

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:10 | 4016104 ShrNfr
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Anybody surprised at this?? The asshat in the White House does not negotiate with anybody or anything. He has florid NPD.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:09 | 4016106 stant
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keep it shut down

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:38 | 4016564 lotsoffun
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plenty of other things one can do with one's life besides visting an national park, and there are plenty of open spaces and state parks to do with what you like.

shut it down. please.  the idea of a park means 'wildlife'.  if you are dumb enough to get eaten by a grizzly - thanks.  6 billion and counting.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:12 | 4016117 world_debt_slave
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Here we go again and I predict the Repuwhimps will blink first as they did in 1995.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:53 | 4016336 nmewn
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I dunno, we gots the peeps giving them a little moar spine than they actually deserve this time.

"The National Park Service has received offers from states, localities and businesses to pay for or provide support to reopen parks, said Jennifer Mummart, a spokeswoman for the agency's National Capital Region.

"We have declined all of these offers because we are a national system operated by the National Park Service, which now, of course, lacks funds for daily operations," Mummart said. "So, while we truly appreciate the offers of support, they are not offers we can accept."

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/ap/nation/veterans-visit-wwii-memorial-despite-shutdown/article_99c54758-e1c1-5cc5-8422-ec6596b35193.html

You see, the statist logic goes like this, a memorial >>>built with a 88% private donations<<<, can't remain open once its turned over to the federal government, which seems to enjoy placing barricades around 100% of the Peoples investment, to make some odd point of justice, fairness & supremacy.

Well then, I've just decided to "ring fence" 88% of my income from it...now what, bitch?

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:13 | 4016118 FieldingMellish
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Looks like its going to be a long furlough. Gold will be pummelled to keep the USD from tanking. Bart's Boys still on porn patrol. He must be super-frustrated now.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:12 | 4016122 TrustWho
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Thank you Bernanke. Your support of the market keeps the pressure off our politicians. The Fed had fuelled the treasury debt binge and has probably caused our debt crisis more than Congress and Presidents. Politicians only make the hard decisions, reduce spending, under immense pressure. The Fed releases the pressure.

Fuch Greenspan, Fuch Bernanke and Fuch Yellen

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:12 | 4016123 Darksky
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Pelosi trying to use the Constitution and Constitutional Principles in her arguement makes me want to puke.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:37 | 4016251 Pool Shark
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Ten bucks says she can't enumerate the first ten amendments...

 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:42 | 4016575 sunnyside
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Twenty bucks says she wouldn't understand the word enumerate.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 05:06 | 4017561 GetZeeGold
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You might be surprised what Nancy will give you for twenty bucks.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:48 | 4016310 DosZap
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If this continues to Oct 17th, Social Security checks stop going out, Bama best be ready with his Gestapo.The SWHTF.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:13 | 4016128 Dadburnitpa
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Still wish I'd never heard the word "obama".

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:17 | 4016147 akak
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Do you really think things would be any better, or fundamentally any different, under McShitStain?

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:24 | 4016171 pauhana
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Irrelevant. 

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 05:07 | 4017562 GetZeeGold
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Bushes fault!!!

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:29 | 4016208 Dadburnitpa
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Fuck no, asshole.  You can replace "asshole" with "dilweed" if you were just asking rhetorically.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:34 | 4016236 Everybodys All ...
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Romney ran in 2012. Do really believe he'd dig his heals in like this guy on everything? I can't see it. I agree McCain would have been a disaster. He is a Rhino and soon to be Democrat I predict.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:38 | 4016269 akak
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Romney ran in 2012

Sorry, my mistake.

I tend to have that problem with RINOs --- they all look alike to me.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:25 | 4016495 Baldrick
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What? Old, white and as useful as tits on a boar hog?

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:13 | 4016130 goldenbuddha454
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Harry Reid is just another Tom Daschle.  Eventually he'll be relegated to some noname law firm in Nevada or maybe appointed as president of a silver mine.  His only purpose for the DNC is to sit up there and fight any common sense proposal that comes his way and claim that it takes food out of the mouths of women and children and that its the Republicans or W's fault.  Same playbook, different day, we've seen this play out how many times now?

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:16 | 4016142 DoChenRollingBearing
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LOL, whatever happened to Tom Daschle?

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:27 | 4016196 surf0766
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He sold his sole for ethanol.. and peeps found out.. Now he just a normal dipshit.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:32 | 4016219 akak
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That's interesting .... I heard he sold his sole just for the halibut.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:38 | 4016254 ParkAveFlasher
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Thanks...comments like that help me with my collapse fatigue.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:40 | 4016274 Pool Shark
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Hey, you did that on porpoise...

 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:43 | 4016289 akak
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But I knew you crabs would tuna into it.

OK, I'll clam up now.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:10 | 4016941 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Aaaaaahhhh, the codawful puns!

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:17 | 4016139 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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He may not negotiate but by golly he will keep them WWII vets from their memorials.

Courtesy of Rand Paul on twitter.

https://twitter.com/SenRandPaul/statuses/385456294275993600

. sent 7 security guards to this AM to keep out our vets. Sadly, that is 2 more than were present in Benghazi.

 

 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:49 | 4017098 Kobe Beef
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Now Obama is just being a cunt. Stop being a cunt, Mr. President.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:19 | 4016153 pauhana
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Oh, come on.  Did you really expect a different result?  Harry Reid.  Yes, what a  stand up guy.  He's so pure and wonderful.  Just not the people who work for him:

"http://freepatriot.org/2013/10/01/harry-reids-bagman-sentenced/?utm_sour..."

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:23 | 4016176 ALPO
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What the hell is the point of holding a meeting just so you can tell the other party to their face that you have no interest in meeting with them?

I'd rather the the House keep the government shut-down until 2016 then have them swallow that kind of disrespect from the President.

 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:24 | 4016177 Australian Economist
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So how is everyone holding up with the government shutdown?

 

Are you dead yet?

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:37 | 4016257 One of We
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Can't buy any new guns from an FFL which chafes a bit.  I guess I should've pulled the trigger on that Springfield .45 double stack I was looking at last week....

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:27 | 4016192 butchtrucks
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Good on the Tea Party Republicans for standing up against the communistical outrage that is Obamacare. They should not give ONE INCH in their refusal to pass a budget or raise the debt ceiling until this law is TOTALLY wiped off the statute books. If that means some pain for governement workers etc. then GOOD - they are nothing but leeches anyway. The important thing is to prevent deadbeats getting access to healthcare - that is a noble cause which it is worth fighting for every inch of the way.

But this is only a START. The Republicans need to ensure the defunding of ALL socialist programs that are bringing this once great country to it's knees including Medicare, VA, Medicaid and Social Security. These government-run programs are just pandering to people’s laziness and lack of personal responsibility and are totally un-American.

In this country good health is not a birth-right – it is a privelage – and a privilege that should only be available to those who are hardworking, wealthy, and smart enough to pay for their own insurance.

We should not try and emulate socialist hell-holes like Australia, Canada or Scandanavia where every dead-beat can access free public health systems regardless of whether they’ve saved up to pay for it or not.

The US got to be great through people standing on their own two feet and taking responsibility for their own health and well being. Not one dime of my taxes should go towards supporting socialized free health care for those too lazy, poor, old, or stupid to look after themselves.

Medicare in particular is the worst socialist program ever introduced in this country (by another socialist Dem President – Lyndon Johnson in 1965). It’s a single payer government run program funded from taxes paid by you and me – to support old sick people we don’t even know.

Back in the ’60s the GOP fought long and hard to prevent this communistic system becoming law. As Ronald Reagan said at the time the Dems were trying to force this thing through “If you and I don’t stop Medicare then one of these days we are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it once was like in America when men were free.”

George HW Bush Described Medicare in 1964 as “socialized medicine at its worst” and. Same with Barry Goldwater who said: “Having given our pensioners their medical care in kind, why not food baskets, why not public housing accommodations, why not vacation resorts, why not a ration of cigarettes for those who smoke and of beer for those who drink.”

Social Security is another Communist program that needs to be abolished right now. Did you know that the U.S. Social Security program is the largest government program in the world and the single greatest expenditure in the federal budget, accounting for 20.8% of the total budget? Needless to say it was introduced by yet another socialistic Democrat President – Franklin Roosevelt back in the 1930s. And what is ‘social security’ ? Its nothing but a program to take hard-earned money from the likes of you and me to allow lazy old people who didn’t bother to save for their retirement during their working years to live high on the hog.

So good on the Republicans for declaring war on Obamacare. Now I just hope they will see fit to start unwiding the other socialist and communistical atrocities such as social security, Medicare, Medicade and VA – which are also totally unconstitutional and totally un-American.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:31 | 4016221 andrewp111
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Give it a rest. Suspending the debt ceiling and individual mandate together is good enough for me.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:35 | 4016244 butchtrucks
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Why?  What we need here is a FULL COURT PRESS to abolish socialism once and for all in this country?  Or are you one of those closet socialists who is quite happy to accept the likes of social security and medicare?

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:10 | 4016520 MeelionDollerBogus
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You dumb fuck. The USA has not one ounce of socialism in it. NOT ONE.

Everything you think is socialism is actually corporate-dictated FASCISM. Socialism is OWNERSHIP BY THE PEOPLE OF THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION.

You have NONE of that. Nothing.

FASCISM is the corporate merger with GOVERNMENT. That is all you have.

Stop hitting yourself in the head with that hammer.

"What is Fascism" video from Mises, John T Flynn

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:29 | 4016514 MeelionDollerBogus
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You dumb fuck.

Canada is a socialist-capitalist PARADISE with higher standard of living at lower cost than the USA. It's a  hammer to the head to make a person dumb enough to leave Canada and arrive IN the USA for good.

It's retardation.

#2 by definition all who are Republican are NOT TEA PARTY. They were rejected / removed before the election-part happened years ago.

The foundation, absolute foundation of a strong nation is a healthy nation & universal health care is the ONLY way to do it, which is what Canada does.

NO denials for "pre-existing" conditions. NO insurance company can deny you health care in Canada. And NONE of us lose our savings or home to do this: I probably pay no more than $200/year for healthcare availability & I barely use it even once every 5 years for anything at all.

PREVENTION is the #1 most powerful kind of healthcare & it takes real education to do this. In Canada we teach this. We could do more but we do it.

In America you're all dumb fucks hitting yourself in the head with hammers & complaining that it hurts yet you do it again every 5 fucking minutes.

It's pretty sad.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:34 | 4016554 akak
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Even if your Canadian health-care system 'works' (by your definition), it is still involuntary mass coercion and statist to the core.  No "ends justify the means" arguments for me, thanks.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:12 | 4018135 MeelionDollerBogus
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Depends how you see "involuntary". If you're very rich you can get out of taxes entirely. If you're poor you pay none. If you're neither you can at least under-report income.

Then again given how affordable the health care is, the only reason to do so isn't cost, it's to protest where else the tax dollars go, like war or subsidies for industries that don't need any (oil).

It's a choice & we can make that choice. I urge anyone to evade taxes to protest them. ALL taxation outside Canada stands equal on grounds of coercion.

As for "ends justifies the means" it is a rule I found actually should be respected and is usually right.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 13:10 | 4019084 akak
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As for "ends justifies the means" it is a rule I found actually should be respected and is usually right.

That line alone tells me all that I need to know about your character and your principles, or more to the point, your lack of either.

Fri, 10/04/2013 - 03:15 | 4021659 MeelionDollerBogus
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It is the strongest principle of all, and the most moral.

To do otherwise is to say the ends is unjustified by any course at all but whimsy & random luck. That is the path of death EVERY time.

When people defend their children at all costs from invaders & killers that is the ENDS JUSTIFIES THE MEANS.

When people protect their wealth & purchasing power in defiance of laws, culture & even preference of family members, that is the ENDS JUSTIFIES THE MEANS.

When people DO NOT do this it is to bow down to the will of others or to ignorance.

Your character is hereby found lacking. I can tell you won't make the final cut and that cut is coming swiftly.

People who do not believe the ends justifies the means are people who I qualify 100% as dangerously stupid and I refuse to let them near me. They are the ones absolutely guaranteed to get everyone else killed, perhaps even themselves, for lack of intellectual ability to choose otherwise. Period.

Fri, 10/04/2013 - 10:34 | 4022401 akak
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Apparently you have never heard of "principles" nor the concept of "morality".

I suggest you look those words up.  You may find the ideas fascinating.

Fri, 10/04/2013 - 14:27 | 4023294 MeelionDollerBogus
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I'm using the real definitions. Those who do not use "the ends justifies the means" always do this:

fail to defend their own life

fail to defend their freedom

fail to defend their families

fail to defend the laws of the land

fail to even use logic to put things together

the use of logic to accomplish survival and stability IS the "ends justifies the means"

Here's what is strikingly evil, highly immoral, that flies on zerohedge:

#1 saying abortion is murder. That is IMMORAL. Abortion is a RIGHT to control ONE LIVING BODY, THE ADULT WOMAN, because there isn't a 2nd human life there, just a body part called a fetus

saying that global warming is a hoax: this is a war-call to execute poor people who can't move fast enough to escape the rising water levels and can't find a way to grow food faster than it is killed by the droughts. To be this denier is a smiling asshole laughing at the dying poor while MAKING THEM die. When the ends justifies the means we will stop you and do so using all lethal force possible.

 

Survival demands it.

You don't like it? Then SMARTEN UP or get bigger guns because this will be a fight for survival of the species and you are on the wrong side.

That's the proper use of morality.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:33 | 4016546 Surging Chaos
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The GOP is not going to get rid of Medicare or SS. This is the same GOP that passed Medicare Part D.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:28 | 4016198 One And Only
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Keep it shut.

I won't blame anyone for the debt ceiling. Time to let this pile of shit burn.

Time for some shared sacrifice.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:30 | 4016207 andrewp111
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I agree that the debt ceiling will be breached, but the analysis of what happens next is all wrong.

Increasingly it looks likely that Obama will have no choice but to let things devolve to the nuclear option, which he inferred in his "Wall Street should be concerned" interview: hit the debt ceiling deadline in a replay of August 2011, at which point the market plunges, and everyone caves on preserving the status quo. Just like always.

At this point Obama sends the 82nd and 101st Airborne to occupy DC and surround the capital, he uses the Patriot Act to declare the Republican party to be a terrorist organization which bans the party forever, raids the House, hauls off the Republicans, and holds 230 special elections to replace them in which only Democrats can run. This ends the standoff.

And Obama's popularity rises to Jan 20 2009 levels. the public likes tough, resolute presidents.

 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:43 | 4016287 Everybodys All ...
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No chance in hell. He tries that its game over for the Marxist con man. The military will roll over his dead beat ass in a heartbeat.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:45 | 4016300 CrashisOptimistic
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They just did this to Golden Dawn in Greece.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:15 | 4016489 MeelionDollerBogus
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NO, the Nazi Golden Dawn in Greece just got caught organizing a murder.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24210061

Golden Dawn are Nazis who want to murder foreigners. That's their purpose. Supporting them is like supporting Hitler.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:31 | 4016224 Mitzibitzi
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Follow my line of reasoning here....

If the Government is shut down, then it means that any essential spending for an emergency situation can be legally authorised solely and instantly by the sitting President, under one of the 11-ty million Executive Order provisions the slimeballs have been able to slide into law, no? I forget which one it is - I'm Welsh and have enough trouble keeping track of the draconian bullshit that my own government thinks it needs to protect themselves from the rest of us.

So if some random 'event' were to happen, there'd be no need to recall Congress to chambers in order to fund a response to it?

Say, for example, there were a series of minor terrorist incidences scattered through the US, but a single group claimed responsibility for them. And (just to copper clad this legal action, here!) they claimed that all were carried out by, say, the 'Free American Army' who hereby renounce their citizenship in the 'Fascist States of Amerika', or some such nonsense.I think, legally, they'd have to say they were renouncing US citizenship, in clear legal terms, for it to stick... but you get my point.

Under those circumstances, Zero could nullify Posse Comitatus because he could, under your own legal code, legitimately claim that a foreign force was committing acts of war on American soil.

Enter Martial Law, stage left!

Don't automatically assume that the fuckers haven't planned this!

 

 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:44 | 4016298 ALPO
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Not possible. US law prohibits US citizens from renouncing their US citizenship while on US soil.

 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:23 | 4016474 MeelionDollerBogus
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Says who? Someone's gotta be able to change nationalities somehow. And Im' sure someone has to declare it TO the government & will probably do so in an office on US soil.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 23:31 | 4017227 akak
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I tried to renounce my US 'american' citizenism, but AnAnonymous would not accept it either ---- just mumbled something about "eternal nature, blah blah blah".

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:15 | 4018145 MeelionDollerBogus
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It must being the 'office' of unblobbing the citizenism. Perhaps it is at the road 'side' declaring as itself not 'in' the borders?

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:33 | 4016227 Bennie Noakes
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This all reminds me of the "Lost" TV series where they had to type in a special code every 108 minutes to prevent something from happening. No one was sure exactly what it was that would happen if the code wasn't entered, but there was the suggestion that whatever it was would be really bad and the world might end.When they finally didn't enter it, there was only a minor explosion and the sky turned pretty colors for a few seconds.

Let's just wait until we reach the debt ceiling and see what happens.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:33 | 4016229 thismarketisrigged
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this is no shock whatsoever.

 

however, i am fed up with these little market moves,  lets fucking see some real selling, how about a  -1000 dow day, -150 s&p day, of course it wont happen because the pomo will always bring the markets way off the lows.

 

wall st will never give a shit about anything until the fed stops buying bonds, which of course we know will not happen anytime soon. why on earth what the debt ceiling debate bring the market down? 

 

the fed is not scared of anything, and its sickening to see.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:35 | 4016232 ebworthen
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This means NSA people are furloughed for longer.

GOOD!!!

p.s. - R.I.P. Tom Clancy.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:41 | 4016286 Mitzibitzi
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In one of those quirks of ironic weirdness, I finished reading 'Threat Vector'  about 15 minutes before I had to pick the wife up from work. Heard he'd died on the radio on the way there.

RIP

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:34 | 4016237 One of We
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"The American people could get better government out of monkey island in the local zoo than we're getting....<today> everyday."

Truer words never spoken.....

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:36 | 4016241 LawyerScum
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I for one am thoroughly enjoying my front row seat to the freak show.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:36 | 4016252 Billy Shears
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Fiat justitia ruat caelum

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:37 | 4016253 lolmao500
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As for the debt ceiling, don't worry if October 17 comes and there's no deal, Obama is gonna raise it by himself... or wait a day or two for markets to melt down... blame republicans, then raise it by himself saying the 14th amendment gives him that power and that he's doing it to save the US economic from those republican terrorists. The Obamabots would eat it up.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:46 | 4016301 Everybodys All ...
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That is very very possible and fits this evil minded prick to a tee.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:38 | 4016256 SMC
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Well, now we know that the Obummer is a tyrant and the Demonuts are his minions.

Obummer = Hitler
Demonuts = National Socialist Party
Department of Hope and Satire = SS
Department of JustUS = Gestapo
Department of unEducation = Hitler Youth

Going to be a "fun" decade fer sure.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:23 | 4016478 MeelionDollerBogus
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And republicrats = demokins. All the same.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:37 | 4016262 Zer0head
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Suggestion BOX

 

Dear ZH

 

it is generally bad form to embed videos with autostart enabled.

 

and becasue it was so slow to load and I left the room to take a shit, When I came back inside I thought someone had broken into my basement

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:22 | 4016479 MeelionDollerBogus
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NoScript helped me on that too. Can't start by itself.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:38 | 4016268 chump666
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The question is, who will be blamed for the credit downgrade?  Republicans are making the play and squeezing Obama, so he will get the blame.  It's a good play. 

Obama bringing in the 'Wall Street' won't be happy jive, what a f*cking idiot.  No one cares about your cronies, the Fed is printing like crazy anyway and rates are going up! lol

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:39 | 4016272 Smartie37
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It takes Big Balls to make small government----

refer to AC/DC for more information 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:41 | 4016281 virgilcaine
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This Does not bode/end well and you love it.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:42 | 4016285 sbenard
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If this is what it takes for us to slash spending, the so be it!

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:44 | 4016290 sbenard
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Emperor NERO Obama, American Dictator, Tyrant Extraordinaire!

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:44 | 4016296 Atomizer
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Reid tells House that a purse snatcher ran away with all the new GOP bill provisions, along with the taxpayer subsidized pens to sign documents. MSM will design a cover story @ 11:00 PM. Unfortunately, you need to watch the whole regional newz show until 11:25 so the network gets paid on advertising dollars.

/LOL

 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:49 | 4016312 Billy Shears
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sic semper tyrannis

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:49 | 4016313 Randoom Thought
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I have a question... How long do you think it takes the US government to deisgn, bid out, have created, receive and distribute all of the signs of the appropriate size to the appropriate National Parks stating the following:

"Because of the Federal Governement shutdown, all national parks are closed"

Do you think that ALL of the Parks had very brand-new looking signs just sitting around in inventory for years, in pristine condition, just waiting to be used or do you think that the current shutdown was more likely a PLANNED EVENT designed to accomplish some specific psychological goal and planned warfare against the American people?

It would be interesting to followi the purchasing records and the schedule under which these signs were created and distributed. That would tell us how long the government planned this event and may give some clue as to their ultimate objective (my guess is to play one portion of the American people aginst another).

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:06 | 4016372 moonstears
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Uh, looks like they likely printed these on 8.5X11 white paper. Fucking sneaky Microsoft "notepad", maybe even "Word" knew in the 80s...dammit!

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:52 | 4016328 Powder
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Declare Aaron Burr day. Pass out pistols to each member of the Congress with 6 rounds each. Whomever remains standing gets to vote.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 22:01 | 4016901 DirkDiggler11
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+ 1000 for your splendid suggestion good fellow !

I myself would be delighted to give Joe Biden himself a shotgun at his disposal for this "special session" of congress. He will need to be present of course to break a tie in the senate, Now if I would only remember to bring the shotgun shells for Joe ...

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 08:50 | 4017877 earnyermoney
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I believe Aaron Burr would shoot his descendent serving in the Senate today. Hagan and Burr, two fascist bootlickers.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 19:56 | 4016345 Flakmeister
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You don't negotiate with terrorists....

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:23 | 4016476 Bennie Noakes
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Now, let's be fair. Just because Obama uses drones to assasinate his enemies doesn't make him a terrorist. Those were BAD GUYS (and their wives and children and any innocent bystanders who happened to be nearby.) He is a Nobel Peace Prize winner for goodness sake!

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 05:10 | 4017563 GetZeeGold
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You don't negotiate with terrorists....

 

Not even global warming terrorists?

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 08:35 | 4017821 Flakmeister
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Yes, especially guys such as the Kochs, the Heartland Inst., and lying sacks of shit that populate the blogosphere and the op-ed pages of the WSJ, i.e. the Ridleys and Wattses.....

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:01 | 4016360 max2205
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I fully expect the guberment to fully reimburse Federal employees of their missed pay

 

 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:08 | 4016411 Bogdog
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When do the firing squads start?

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:13 | 4016431 Promethus
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I can't believe how heartless some of the ZH posters are.  Somewhere in DC tonight, there are dozens of SEC employees who must pay for their own porn on their meger 6 figure salaries; an undercover CIA agent retiree at the EPA who may miss his first retirement check, and GSA employees who will have to make Star Trek videos with their own money.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 20:18 | 4016461 goldenbuddha454
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After all the back and forth bullshit between the house, senate and prezbo, has anyone of them even considered for one minute that our bills could be paid if we cut spending?  If we know we'll take in 1 trillion in taxes over the next year and we could spend half of that on the functioning of govt. with only essential workers, that leaves a surplus, YAY!  See how easy that is? But no, what is important is to begin to see how many people from outside our borders we can let enter a system that is already so broken.  So, by design, both sides have thrown in the towel on trying to fix the system and have chosen to add more weight to it than it can possibly bear only speeding up the rate at which our eventual demise actually occurs.  Maybe this all needs to just play out the way they want it to?  Where's the popcorn? 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:29 | 4016762 omantrader
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boehner is going to cave before the weekend with a temporary CR. last seven years show that the gop always loses.

latest count: 20 gop house members ready to jump ship.

 

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 21:39 | 4016806 Pumpkin
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Awesome!  I truly believe that neither side should negotiate.

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