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Forget The Debt Ceiling, The Dow Just Breached 15,000 (To The Downside)

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The Dow is down for the 9th day of the last 11 since the exuberant Un-Taper spike in stocks. Crucially though, it appears the government's efforts to fear-monger equity markets into forcing action by the House Republicans is working. The all-important Dow 15,000 level has been breached to the downside and represents a much more important "economic" breach than the debt ceiling to any and every talking head it would seem...

 

 

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Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:52 | 4018317 Ancona
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It's bushes fault....I'm sure of it.

Fuck you Bernanke.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:56 | 4018355 TruthInSunshine
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Oh My! It's The End OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT!!!

Bernanke's Virtuous Circle may come unwound!!!!

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:05 | 4018424 SheepHerder
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My thoughts exactly.  How's this any different than when it dropped from 15650 to 14775 from August 2nd to August 27th?  I like ZH for alternative news, but sometimes it has too many "the sky is falling" articles.  

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:09 | 4018446 Ness.
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It seems that every time ZH publishes a "warning" about stocks falling - they immediately rally (I'm looking at you Kevin Henry).

 

 

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:27 | 4018525 Dr. Richard Head
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It really doesn't matter anymore.  Just time to shuffle the stocks which comprise the DOW and all will be well in the world of the .01% and their money suckling ways. 

By the way, FUCK YOU BERNANKE!!!!

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:59 | 4018670 Its_the_economy...
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Ah.....the old stock shuffle trick. Should have known.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:31 | 4018547 1000 splendid suns
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True True. It's the 5% 'market' see-saw, so the squid can continue to make money in a Zirpy environment.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:48 | 4018596 TruthInSunshine
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In a ZIRPY World, where everything has been reduced to pushing on a string, VIX makes grist for the Mill.

Now book that trip on PCLN, pack some HBLF colon cleanse, get in your TSLA, pick up some 0% bearing cash from BofML, and explore.

It's a Brave New World, and we've only just begun.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:07 | 4018430 Tinky
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Interesting to note that Bernanke is a clown, and "Virtuous Circle" is an anagram of "Evil Circus tour". Hmmm...

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:57 | 4018363 101 years and c...
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its all thought out in advance.  ben said no taper to have the final blowoff.  big boys are out and retail is in....therefore big down coming.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:16 | 4018473 Rathmullan
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Don't worry, here comes the ny fed with some index manipulation and goldman with some bullshit negotiation rumor to clear out its long position and close the dow above 1550.

Fri, 10/04/2013 - 03:24 | 4021669 auntiesocial
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yeah, I love this "Bush is a victim" b.s. line of thinking when the Bushes profited from their high level scams at every turn. 

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:52 | 4018319 Zero Point
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BURN IT DOWN

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:58 | 4018379 Cursive
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@Zero Point

...and pour salt the ground where it stands

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:02 | 4018388 Zero Point
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You read my mind... I honestly thought that after hitting save.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:54 | 4018324 Spastica Rex
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No budget deal until Dow -500 at least.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:59 | 4018368 LawsofPhysics
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optimist.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:07 | 4018440 ATM
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"They" want the market to tank and rates to shoot up so they most certainly will. That's how a free market operates.

Fear in the streets = Dow down 10%.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:11 | 4018455 NotApplicable
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Gotta have something to blame other than the banksters and "their" congress critters. What could possibly be better than blaming the powerless outsiders in the House?

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 12:15 | 4018740 HardlyZero
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If things get loose...they might see -5000....oops.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 12:29 | 4018846 TruthInSunshine
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Bring out that bald head phuckin criminal, Hank "I'll Have Tanks In The Streets & Martial Law By Dawn If I Don't Get A Blank Taxpayer Check for Lloyd, Jamie & The Boys" Paulson.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:55 | 4018327 Cognitive Dissonance
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The Road To Perdition is all downhill from here.

<Regardless of how many times it might feel like you're going uphill.>

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:53 | 4018334 Critical Path
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Give us the money or we'll blow our own head off

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:57 | 4018364 smlbizman
Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:02 | 4018402 screw face
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Screw everyone then annihilate yourself ~ Uncle Sam Inc.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:54 | 4018648 HardlyZero
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Hank Paulson was interviewed today on CNBC...yup.   Now its real.

Hank Paulson: Tea party 'hijacked the debate'

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101083367

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:53 | 4018338 Dr. No
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Well what did people expect?  With all the "bad for wall street", "Taper", "Default" Headlines being published, the Algos are going ape$hit trying to logic step through conditional statements and buy or sell.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:18 | 4018499 petolo
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Time to call in the algo repairman.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:57 | 4018660 HardlyZero
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When will the Algo's 'become aware' of Gold and Silver ?   HAL, are you listening ?

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:55 | 4018340 autofixer
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The new mantra is: "It's the shutdown's fault."  That should be good for a year or two or five.  

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:56 | 4018345 gjp
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Cue the ZH reversal algos.  Green by mid afternoon?

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:02 | 4018392 ParkAveFlasher
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I vote yes.  Then again I've been beaten so hard lately, I'd rather not play.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:56 | 4018349 earnyermoney
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Synchronized with Barry's fear mongering.

 

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:55 | 4018350 Son of Loki
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Banks may have to start selling some of those 14 Million shadow inventory.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:57 | 4018352 involuntarilybirthed
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And that's before he speaks?

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:58 | 4018356 SheepDog-One
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'Oooo look! They're scaring the repukes it's working!'

Pfffft...yea whatever, as if ALL demonrats and republiclowns aren't advised and all positioned short well ahead of time....just a puppet show.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:58 | 4018378 Zero Point
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+1000

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:56 | 4018359 Rainman
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I just know my Dow 10k hat is around here somewhere.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:58 | 4018369 overmedicatedun...
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riding a short here, but knowing full well, congress has no backbone...markets got the bernak put, but who knows maybe this time it will be different, that's hope and change that I kling to:"markets become rational again"

that's why I hear "they are coming to take me away haha hehe..."

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:06 | 4018384 SheepDog-One
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Maybe the banksters original plan to create pump'n'dump momo crashed and burned with the failed Syria plot, so Plan B is take it down under excuse of govt shutdown farce?

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 10:58 | 4018376 screw face
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hey the DOD can print script........

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:02 | 4018395 6th of May
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Moar QE! Hurry!!!

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 12:13 | 4018727 yogibear
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Since we live in the Fed fantasyland may old Yellen will do $1 trillion/month to make Wall Street go nuts.

It's all about the stock market, not what's going in the real economy.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:01 | 4018400 alien-IQ
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breached, bounced, breached, bounced bla.....

meanwhile the S&P keeps bouncing off the 50dma. You'd think there were robots protecting that line....

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:03 | 4018401 venturen
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What is stopping the FED printing a Trillion a month?

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:05 | 4018415 BullsNBeers
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Screw these scum sacks. Paulson on CNBS fearmongering. Lew spitting out crap. Obama screaming like a petulant child.

Fuck them all.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:08 | 4018437 Zero Point
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Truly. THIS is terrorism.

Fuck these guys.

Bring on noose night.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:05 | 4018419 Goldbugger
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Obamacare Fines to be Seized From Bank Accounts?

 

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/obamacare-fines-to-be-seized-from-...

“I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 “Silver Plan” and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I “opt-out” and chose to continue along with no insurance.

I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you make it to the “REPERCUSSIONS PORTION” for “non-payment” of yearly fine. First, your drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive months with “Non-Payment” and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home. You can agree to give your bank information so that they can easy “Automatically withdraw” your “penalties” weekly, bi-weekly or monthly! This by no means is “Free” or even “Affordable.”

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:10 | 4018453 alien-IQ
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I am not in favor of the ACA...but, that comment is 100% false.

Use common sense man. The websites for the exchanges opened less than 72 hours ago and already people are claiming that they are receiving notices about penalties? How can yo read that and not have your bullshit meter explode?

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:19 | 4018487 BullsNBeers
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Well to be fair, if you had told me 10 years ago that the FedGov could actually get something like this to pass muster with SCOTUS and with the tacit compliance of congress I would have cried "Bull shit".

Now I'm not so naive.

 

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:20 | 4018504 SheepDog-One
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Yep, it's all 'bullshit' until it suddenly becomes reality.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:55 | 4018651 screw face
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+1 yep

 

 

..Yup

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:17 | 4018488 BullsNBeers
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Well to be fair, if you had told me 10 years ago that the FedGov could actually get something like this to pass muster with SCOTUS and with the tacit compliance of congress I would have cried "Bull shit".

Now I'm not so naive.

 

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:24 | 4018520 SheepDog-One
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The crazy part is the reality of whats coming with all this, ran by the IRS don't forget, is probably far worse than anything in this guys claim which everyone is calling 'bullshit'.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:19 | 4018494 SheepDog-One
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Well, seems like it could easily be verified by showing the email....it's not like some claim of Samsquamches or whatever.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:27 | 4018534 alien-IQ
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Here is why I called bullshit on that:

"7. PENALTY FOR BEING UNINSURED

The ACA requires that people who have been deemed able to purchase health insurance but decide not to buy it starting in 2014 will owe a penalty (a tax) to the IRS. Here’s what this looks like:

a) In 2014, the annual penalty will be $95 per adult and $47.50 per child, up to a family maximum of $285 or 1 percent of family income, whichever is greater.
b) In 2015, the penalty will be $325 per adult and $162.50 per child, up to a family maximum of $975 or 2 percent of family income, whichever is greater.
c) In 2016, the penalty will be $695 per adult and $347.50 per child, up to a family maximum of $2,085 or 2.5 percent of family income, whichever is greater.

The IRS collects the penalty, but the ACA stipulates that taxpayers shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty, tax liens, seizure of bank accounts or garnishment of wages for failure to pay it and no accumulation of interest on the unpaid balance. So, it appears that all the IRS can do is deduct the penalty from a refund it owes you, and if you’re not due a refund, then you’ll have an outstanding tax obligation."

Here is my source:
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/02/03/obamacare-a-primer/

which is extensively sourced with links.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:35 | 4018571 SheepDog-One
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In reality they'll probably send out DHS hit squads to whack non-payers.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:50 | 4018623 the grateful un...
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and when you are sick the state puts a lien on your assets (if you cannot pay the bill).

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 12:03 | 4018673 HardlyZero
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The writer is describing what he is reading from the on-line legal statements...not from what he has already received in the mail.   Its part of the 10000 page document that no one has fully read yet.   

Please REMAIN CALM.

I think the massive point being made is that while promises are made that it is 'not illegal' that does not prevent confiscation of assets and property....its part of the constituionally supported 'law' that they can put a lien on your house or take your property or take your bank account....its not that you did anything illegal, just something the new 'law' allows them to take their money.

HAVE A NICE DAY !

Do not worry this new 'law' completely trumps the Constitution or the Magna Carta.

PLEASE REMAIN CALM.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:20 | 4018498 mydogisprettier...
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No source for this story has ever been produced. Just some guy on his FB page.

 

No link to chapter and verse of the law has been produced. 

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:22 | 4018510 SheepDog-One
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So we can just opt out and there's no repurcussions....NICE!

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:45 | 4018607 the grateful un...
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if you dont need medical care you pay the fine, (if your tax liability is zero its no cost to you) if you do need care you go on the state program. i believe obamacare provides more money to these state programs.  there were always repercussions, and that part hasn't changed, its just impossible to have a good job, a serious medical condition, and no insurance coverage.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 12:06 | 4018700 HardlyZero
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If the note is true then this a major issue...the money will be confiscated under the 'law' like you were part of a DHS truant or drug dealer.   The new 'law' if it allows confiscation, although you did not break any law, would be like 1984 or Brazil...or Matrix.

PLEASE REMAIN CALM.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:34 | 4018554 the grateful un...
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that state issues your drivers license, USG has no authority there. my neighbor is 55, part of the working poor, and he just spend a couple days in hospital, which he cannot afford. now the state (medicaid) program is working with him. this is where obamacare hands the problem back to the states and they put a lien on your assets. i dont know what this persons assets are, but that may be the solution.

or live long enough to go on medicare. 

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:07 | 4018426 Its Only Rock N Roll
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Hey Ben?  Its Barack....I need you to tell Kevin to cover some of that huge VIX short he has over there.  Got it?  Great, thanks!  I owe you one!

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:11 | 4018454 edifice
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In the end, .gov will be funded, the debt ceiling raised, and the DOW heading, once again, to 16,000.  Just how it is.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 12:11 | 4018713 HardlyZero
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Same as it ever was.  

I've been told there is nothing "deeper" than whale sh*t....please read that both ways.

We are deep in it and its getting deeper every day.  Buried under fiat.

There is fiat at the bottom of the ocean...

No exit, and its getting deeper daily.

I've argued the only upside to Bush printing all the debt, was to provide a lead for the next massively liberal government...they took the bait...hook, line, sinker.    The whale is massive and heading lower.

Similar to the supreme court upholding ACA....let them eat cake!  Now the chickens come home to roost.

Fiat.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:15 | 4018478 Oldballplayer
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Obama told me to be nervouse.  So I am nervous.

Aren't you nervous?  Obama told us to be.  We should be.  Because the leader told us to be.

 

In all seriousness, Obama makes me nervous.  The clowns in DC make me nervous.  The clowns on wall street make me nervous.

Vodka in my coffee makes me less nervous.

 

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:22 | 4018512 TPTB_r_TBTF
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I would suggest...

 

vodka and decaf

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:46 | 4018610 Pullmyfinger
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Easy on the decaf, please...

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 12:13 | 4018720 HardlyZero
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PLEASE REMAIN CALM !!

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:18 | 4018480 Schmuck Raker
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That explains....

Ransquawk-News headline summary:
BATS options declared self-help against NYSE ARCA

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:18 | 4018496 lolmao500
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At least it took 3 weeks to drop 700 points. I remember the fond days where it dropped even more IN ONE DAY.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:23 | 4018514 Gamma735
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Gandalf: It's the deep breath before the plunge.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:26 | 4018532 Devotional
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Listen guys, your president Obama reminds me of our portuguese prime minister Socrates. Lied through his teeth, self-centered and spent his way into the country's insolvency. Then blamed the opposition for the boo boo.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 12:16 | 4018728 HardlyZero
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Fiat allows that to happen on a daily basis without limit.

When powered and enabled by fiat "all roads lead to Rome" eventually...see you soon !!

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:44 | 4018538 Pullmyfinger
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China (along with the rest of the BRIC's of course) will not accept a technical default in bonds until every single ounce of gold is drained from the West, so the market is being set up as a sacrifice just as it was in '09 to hustle all the hedge funds into the bond market --while 'disappearing' alot of that 'hot money' the Fed has been pumping into the market. The big banks will merely short the market to keep profits up. In other words, no matter how things look on the surface, another huge unemployment blow is coming to the American public, but the price to the government due to rising interest rates is far, far greater for the immediate future (and what else really matters to an American politician?) than the resulting loss in tax revenues.

There are only bad choices left, kids, so we're being sold the lesser of two weevils.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 13:08 | 4019064 screw face
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+1

....correct spelling should be 'BRIIICS'

 

the DOD is suppressing plunge control at the moment.....

..physical is everything be it PM's, script...etc.

China is annotated cash king, for the next installment of 'global fractional reserve banking'.

 

 

 

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 14:18 | 4019362 Pullmyfinger
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Sorry, it seems I'm two BRICS short of a load... : )

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 11:56 | 4018655 Atomizer
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Without the debt ceiling advancement, Wall Street cannot receive taxpayer slush fund monies to invest in risky gambling bets. Nothing complicated about this. As time ticks, the MSM will begin crying out, “the sky is falling routine.”

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 12:44 | 4018947 Pullmyfinger
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What?? You've never heard of "shorting" the market before? The banks don't really need "taxpayer" funds. That was just a ruse. The Fed will continue and even ramp up on the $80billion per month they're pumping into stocks via POMO.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 12:02 | 4018690 New American Re...
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HOLD!

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 12:23 | 4018788 neptune-klm
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Wake me up when we are below 8000!  I am going to enjoy watching the chaos!

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 12:41 | 4018922 Jethro
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Where is my DOW 14,000 hat?

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 13:03 | 4019040 bdub2
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Far be it for me to talk above most here, but, if I may, there is a term for this moment, that not only captures these times, but all times, from here and going Forward...forever and ever.

The scientific equation is: btfd:/=FaF. 

This equation is presented visually compliments of the reknowned Princeton economics department, Woodrow Wilson School/Krugman et al:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMbI7DmLCNI

and I thank you.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 13:07 | 4019062 bdub2
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because, this market, and this economy, yea, this .gov/world...is just like Mr. Haleron said, 

it's all just pictures in a book, it isn't real...

until it is...

(Happy early Halloween mo'fo's/zh)

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